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from http://www.angelfire.com
BELOW THE INTRODUCTION
FROM A PAPER BY
AZIZ KRISTOF
Although not always thought so as such, Advaita
actually falls under
the auspices of the three main branches of VEDANTA:
Dvaita Vedanta - the
from http://www.angelfire.com
BELOW THE INTRODUCTION
FROM A PAPER BY
AZIZ KRISTOF
Although not always thought so as such, Advaita actually falls under
the auspices of the three main branches of VEDANTA:
Dvaita Vedanta - the dualistic approach
Advaita Vedanta - the non-dualistic approach
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And also when Maharishi speaks about being instantly
enlightened
once we transcend for the first time. ...
I've never heard MMY say anything remotely close to
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And also when Maharishi speaks about being
instantly
enlightened
once we transcend for the first time.
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And also when Maharishi
I was referring to his comments about being enlightened as to the
goal of enlightenment, the first time we transcend during TM and
contact the Absolute.
So it is a statement of relative enlightenment he was making.
The point I was making was that this statement of his led some of
us
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eptfnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was referring to his comments about being enlightened as to the
goal of enlightenment, the first time we transcend during TM and
contact the Absolute.
So it is a statement of relative enlightenment he was making.
That was Zen; this is Tao. The movement decided
that it was more in tune with Natural Law to buy
the fort than to capture it.
now, the Fort is only spoken about,
loyal followers imply it has been captured,
detractors say it will only be purchased,
a few people see only an empty useless lot
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That was Zen; this is Tao. The movement decided
that it was more in tune with Natural Law to buy
the fort than to capture it.
now, the Fort is only spoken about,
loyal followers imply it has been captured,
Re your writing above, how could 'loyal followers imply [the fort]
has been captured'? If they have really captured the fort, in that
context, they may be loyal but they could no longer, by definition,
be followers.
very good!
but those Lions even after looking into the calm clear pool,
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On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
schemes that you found?
No
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Completely agree. The TM philosophy -- Do nothing,
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Completely agree. The TM philosophy -- Do nothing,
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In this case, MMY started out with Do less and
accomplish more, which was understood to be simply a
claim of more efficient action as a result
On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
couldn't say. But I've heard TM teachers say that
at first it was just Do less and accomplish more.
Back in 1967, did you understand Do nothing and
accomplish everything to be a
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In this case, MMY started out with Do less and
accomplish more,
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
And also when Maharishi speaks about being instantly
enlightened
once we transcend for the first time. ...
I've never heard MMY say anything remotely close to
this. MMY always presented enlightenment from the
gradual school perspective:
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On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
couldn't say. But I've heard TM teachers say that
at first it was just Do less and accomplish more.
Back in
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Back in 1967, did you understand Do nothing and
accomplish everything to be a prescription to
refrain from acting?
Never.
I think do nothing merely refers to the fact that the enlightened
experience in a very real sense that they (the Self) are doing
nothing. The
body and all the other faculties may be working hard, as Maharishi
always did, but there is the constant sense that I am not doing
anything, in
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--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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And also when Maharishi speaks about being instantly
enlightened
once we transcend for the first time. ...
I've never heard MMY say anything remotely close to
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
couldn't say. But I've heard TM
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But not even that has anything to do with what
MMY means by Do nothing and accomplish
everything. It isn't any kind of injunction;
it isn't (as you
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On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Both were
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've never encountered any TMer who has
understood it any other way, except you.
As we have established in the past, your
experience in the TMO is fairly limited. :-)
If you're hoping for an argument, you're not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I always remember the two terms being used together -- back to 1967,
like Unc. I remember the latter phrase being a sort of punch line to
the former. M. would say Do less accomplish more. then pause, and
then say,
On 10/5/05 11:52 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
sorta thing.
Actually
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I always remember the two terms being used together -- back to
1967,
like Unc. I remember the latter phrase being a sort of punch line
to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/5/05 11:52 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
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snip
I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
sorta
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snip
I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
everything without doing a
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On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
schemes that you found?
No because you just want to start an argument.
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On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
schemes that you found?
No because you just want to start an argument.
And life's too short for that.
No because you just want to start an argument.
And life's too short for that.
Tweedledee and Tweedledum agreed to have a fight.
Touch football.
Roughhousing.
Nurf-stick battles.
Come on, didn't you see Rama and Ravana wink at each other?
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I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
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On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
schemes that you found?
No because you just want to start an argument.
Want to buy a bridge?
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On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
schemes that you found?
No
On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment, then there is a
general concensus even among other Sages such as Adi Da, Swami
Sivananda, Yogananda, and philsophers such as Ken Wilber; that Ramana
was not only Enlightened, but
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor
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snip WHO is doing this, WHO is doing
that...a question repeated asked by Ramana, Nisargadatta Maharaj,
and
HWL Poonja. This is our interface with the previous post on just
Bbbeellvvee...and
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snip WHO is doing this, WHO is doing
that...a question repeated asked by Ramana, Nisargadatta Maharaj,
and
HWL Poonja. This is our
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On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, matrixmonitor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment,
then there is a
general concensus even among other Sages such as
Adi Da, Swami
Sivananda, Yogananda, and philsophers such as Ken
On 10/4/05 4:37 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, matrixmonitor
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If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment,
then there is a
general concensus even among other Sages such as
Adi Da, Swami
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snip
Completely agree. The TM philosophy -- Do nothing,
accomplish everything -- is horseshit and always has
been.
Obviously Do nothing,
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On 10/4/05 4:37 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, matrixmonitor
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If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment,
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snip
Completely agree. The TM philosophy -- Do nothing,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In this case, MMY started out with Do less and
accomplish more, which was understood to be simply a
claim of more efficient action as a result of TM
practice. Only later, apparently, did he add, Do
nothing, accomplish
on 10/4/05 7:33 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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In this case, MMY started out with Do less and
accomplish more, which was understood to be simply a
claim of more efficient action as a result of TM
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In this case, MMY started out with Do less and
accomplish more, which was understood to be simply a
claim of more efficient action as a
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on 10/4/05 7:33 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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In this case, MMY started out with Do less and
accomplish more, which was
On 10/2/05 9:21 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin tradition: Ramana Maharshi,
HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome, Andrew Cohen,
Adi Da, etc
I just
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1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin tradition: Ramana Maharshi,
HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta
On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the rundown. Seems odd to me, though,
to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji
is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter.
Not what I was trying to convey. Papaji was the real juju. He transmitted
the
I'll be giving my Non-Dual Satsang every Wednesday
night. Beer and pretzels will be served.
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The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
BELOW THE INTRODUCTION
FROM A PAPER BY
AZIZ KRISTOF
INTRODUCTION
Although not always thought so as such,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the rundown. Seems odd to me, though,
to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji
is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter.
Not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everything else is just the mind trying to resolve
conflicts primarily by making everything that is in
disagreement with it wrong and everything that
agrees with it right. We all are such frigging
morons!
Or we treat any
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What's
your opinion?
Mine is this: We see what we want to see,
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snip
Oh, I see. I thought you had quoted that exchange
with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his
students, lying to them to get rid of them and so on.
Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
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Everything else is just the mind trying to resolve
conflicts primarily by making everything that is in
disagreement with it wrong and everything
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the rundown. Seems odd to me, though,
to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji
is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter.
Or we just see them as old friends. If we know how to relax into the natural
state, we can take notice and they self-liberate--as the yogis say 'like dew
in the sun'.
In self-liberation observing the object¹ (gcer-grol), by looking directly
at the discursive, intuitive or super-subtle thought
On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?
I must have missed that. Please explain.
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snip
Oh, I see. I thought you had quoted that exchange
with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his
students, lying to them to get
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?
I must have
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Oh, I see. I thought you had quoted that exchange
On 10/3/05 11:23 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
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On 10/3/05 11:23 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some here have claimed MMY
On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
a virtue;
He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the
non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't mean you are
enlightened.' I find
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
a virtue;
He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the
non-dual state doesn't mean
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On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
a virtue;
He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of
the
non-dual state doesn't
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On 10/3/05 12:37 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
a virtue;
He's merely saying 'listen, just because
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Excellent article on previous postmakes it all the more
important
to formulate a set of objective/relative signs which attest to one's
Enlightenment, realization of the Self. But this is problematic
within the
The crux of your inquiry seems to be not so much how do we know we
are enlightened, but how do we share that or convince others that
we are?
What about - is there such a state labelled Enlightenment
and is it worthwhile attaining it? Forget about the
entertainment of lights, energy and sleep
And I've never had much success
convincing myself that if only external element A -Z were changed,
I'd be happier.
So you would not be happier if people stopped, in your view, dissing
the ballsy Rory? (even when in reality its all back and forth fun).
Yahoo!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eptfnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The crux of your inquiry seems to be not so much how do we know we
are enlightened, but how do we share that or convince others that
we are?
What about - is there such a state labelled Enlightenment
and is it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And I've never had much success
convincing myself that if only external element A -Z were
changed,
I'd be happier.
So you would not be happier if people stopped, in your view, dissing
the ballsy Rory? (even
First, anyone with a thirst to let others know how enlightened they
are is mired in deep ignorance, and is either expoliting their
followers, or has self-esteem issues.
I'd say that anyone who *cares* how enlightened someone
other than him- or herself is is wasting a lot of energy they
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eptfnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do we convince others that we are enlightened? It has always
worked for me on a frequency level, like a radio. Whenever I am in
the presence of someone enlightened, my body resonates at that
frequency of
The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
BELOW THE INTRODUCTION
FROM A PAPER BY
AZIZ KRISTOF
INTRODUCTION
Although not always thought so as such, Advaita actually falls
under the auspices of the three main branches of VEDANTA:
1. Dvaita Vedanta - the dualistic approach
On 10/2/05 5:05 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because of the unverifiable nature of Enlightenment, this term has
been much manipulated. Satsang has been Americanized. In an average
satsang-gathering everybody is laughing, showing signs of euphoric and
unauthentic joy, while the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin tradition: Ramana Maharshi,
HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome, Andrew Cohen,
Adi Da, etc
I just skimmed the article, so maybe this is
answered and I missed it,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's
your opinion?
Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is *always*
some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If what we see doesn't
*appear* to be some aspect of our Self, it's because we have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's
your opinion?
Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is
*always*
some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If
This begs the question then - are these real symptons of a Ego
are just apparent symptoms ? I say - a cow is a cow regardless.
What's your opinion?
A person self-stimulates themselves
while viewing/reading a pornographic magazine.
The resulting physiological reaction is actual.
The
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