[FairfieldLife] Jewish Haiku :-)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
It is common knowledge that poetry lovers have been frustrated by the fact that no poet has chosen to express Jewish themes and feelings in the haiku style (three unrhymed lines of five, seven, and five syllables respectively). Filling this gap in poetic iterature, David M. Bader has recently

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Unc

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey do me a favor since you're in Paris. I have this favorite French rock group called Noir Desir. They are probably the only good French hard

[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial

2005-07-21 Thread off_world_beings
I used to make love in the broom closet at the bottom near the pottery class. So that's what that bad smell was. Was that you mastebating again in the broom closet? OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Flash/Back: 1969- Maharishi Interviewed by BBC News...'

2005-07-21 Thread off_world_beings
Wow, that is so brilliant. His answers are just perfection. I'd love to juxtapost that with that with the more recent Larry King interview. Another classic. Thanks for posting it. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub wrote: On every single application I have ever filled out for TMO it asked if I had used any other techniques. We all

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch in the NY Post

2005-07-21 Thread shempmcgurk
I love his movies. But the guy is a nut job. Is this the best we can do? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: July 20, 2005 -- IF you think Tom Cruise is wild about Scientology and Madonna is crazy about Kabbalah, eccentric filmmaker David Lynch

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Flash/Back: 1969- Maharishi Interviewed by BBC News...'

2005-07-21 Thread shempmcgurk
The real catch would be to get a copy of the BBC Malcolm Muggeridge interview of MMY... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/maharishi1.sh tml

[FairfieldLife] Larry King interview

2005-07-21 Thread off_world_beings
Does anyone know where I can easily access the Larry King interview with Maharishi? OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub wrote: On every single application I have ever filled out for TMO it asked if I had used any other techniques. We all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Larry King interview

2005-07-21 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know where I can easily access the Larry King interview with Maharishi? OffWorld How this for a quick reply? http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0205/12/lklw.00.html To subscribe, send a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Flash/Back: 1969- Maharishi Interviewed by BBC News...'

2005-07-21 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real catch would be to get a copy of the BBC Malcolm Muggeridge interview of MMY... Not long before Malcolm Muggeridge died he was asked who the most memorable person he interviewed was for him. He said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just so I understand, Lawson, you visited other teachers and noted so when asked in course applications? And you were admitted to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch in the NY Post

2005-07-21 Thread Peter Sutphen
I find his movies to be very disturbing, to say the least. Do you think anyone in the TMO has actually sat down and watched his movies? Blue Velvet, Ereaserhead, now there are two sattvic movies, ah? --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love his movies. But the guy is a nut job. Is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial

2005-07-21 Thread Peter Sutphen
It always had a slight moldy smell to it. --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the LC is gone now huh? Yup. It's now an empty building site. I liked it. I used to make love in the broom closet at the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my friends has been meditating for about 30 years. He wanted to be a TM-Teacher in the 70ths and worked as staff in Seelisberg to accomplish that. His brother went over to another Organisation as a

[FairfieldLife] TM Haiku (was Jewish Haiku)

2005-07-21 Thread Vaj
On Jul 21, 2005, at 2:16 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: It is common knowledge that poetry lovers have been frustrated by the fact that no poet has chosen to express Jewish themes and feelings in the haiku style (three unrhymed lines of five, seven, and five syllables respectively). Filling this gap

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch in the NY Post

2005-07-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find his movies to be very disturbing, to say the least. Do you think anyone in the TMO has actually sat down and watched his movies? Blue Velvet, Ereaserhead, now there are two sattvic movies, ah? On the other

[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????

2005-07-21 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the yogic ability to tell others' states of consciousness, like Rick and me? Yes. *lol* Now that *IS* funny! :-D Oh come on Rory, quit beating Off. *lol* Nice pun. Unfortunately, I have to

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Haiku (was Jewish Haiku)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2005, at 2:16 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: It is common knowledge that poetry lovers have been frustrated by the fact that no poet has chosen to express Jewish themes and feelings in the haiku style (three unrhymed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip IMO it is Ok even if Maharishi and the TMO feel that it isn't. They have their logic. I think you need to answer the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's confession time I visited Krishnamurti in about 1984 in England, but he was older than Maharishi so its ok. TURQ B wrote: I think, Off, that I'm beginning to get a handle on when you

[FairfieldLife] TMO Haiku 2

2005-07-21 Thread Vaj
world peace once dreamed of pundits soon arrival soon when sat yug may come chiropractors loved the thin foamed days when you bottomed out in pain channeling off ramp left path to listen to a mediocre ghost My P K session stress released nervous system then maxed out my card remember S C eye

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Unc

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
I'll look around, but for the next month or so I'm not in Parisbut down in the south of France. Such groups aren't as popular here because it isn't trendy down here to be depressed and self-important. That's more of a Paris thing. :-)-Not true, I first heard of them in Aix. To

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Everything you are talking about here, Off, is *learned behavior*, not some eternal grand truth. You were TAUGHT that the know- ledge of TM and of enlightenment was so fragile that it had to be protected with

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
So that's what that bad smell was. Was that you mastebating again in the broom closet?OffWorld---Smell is in the nose. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
Sorry to ramble, but there are days when the weirdassthings that spiritual traditions do to its followers just blowmy mind. UncYour incredulity is mere smugness of an inner fanaticism with your own boundaries. Whether truer or more open than others, it's still a cage. Here I threw you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Unc

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
More seriously, I don't know the group, probably won't everbecause 1) as you said French and rock 'n roll just don't mix,and 2) Bertrand Cantat managed to murder an actress I likedwho had all the looks and talent he doesn't seem to have. :-)Anyway, it didn't inspire me to want to find out

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Vaj
On Jul 21, 2005, at 8:50 AM, authfriend wrote: The trouble with this analysis is that it's all black-and-white, no shades of gray. One of the problems with cult-like thinking is that it often only sees in black and white. With the program or off the program. Purity or impurity. Right

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
In one sense, hearing stories like this is a bit liberating,because you can't even resent the idiots who did thisor have any ill wishes towards them. Any ill-wishing would be completely redundant and useless. To be able to think like this, and justify this kind of action, thepeople

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Ingegerd
I think my friend is more enlightened than most of us. He meditates TM regular, he is very devoted to the Ved and he encourage people to start with TM. He has tried several times to apply for the TM-Sidhi- course, they don't even bother to answer him, and still he has no bitterness and anger.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
They have their logic. I think you need to answer the question I asked several posts back about keeping the purity of the teachiing.I have to ask myself this question: If there was littleattempt to keep the purity of the teaching by being careful whatgets interjected and absorbed in to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Unc

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll look around, but for the next month or so I'm not in Paris but down in the south of France. Such groups aren't as popular here because it isn't trendy down here to be depressed and self-important. That's more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--Ken Wilber Just another wuss who justifies believing he's right about things. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch in the NY Post

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
I like David Lynch and I'm happy that he found the desire to promote meditation. Maybe something will come of it. Whether that is the case or not is probably based on how open he is to the roots of the Movement and the range of the experiences of those who have created it, as opposed to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to ramble, but there are days when the weirdass things that spiritual traditions do to its followers just blow my mind. Unc Your incredulity is mere smugness of an inner fanaticism with your own

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch in the NY Post

2005-07-21 Thread mrfishey2001
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find his movies to be very disturbing, to say the least. Do you think anyone in the TMO has actually sat down and watched his movies? Blue Velvet, Ereaserhead, now there are two sattvic movies, ah? Strangely easy

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch in the NY Post

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
I've seen everything he's ever done. Eraserhead is actually inspiring if you can grasp the surreal sense of it. The person in the cold world gets warmth and light from the room radiator. In the end he falls in. - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To:

[FairfieldLife] Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread Patrick Gillam
off_world_beings wrote: I think you need to answer the question I asked several posts back about keeping the purity of the teaching. Yes, this is the Big Question. Around here, people seem to have answered it in a number of ways: 1. No one I know wants to fiddle with the basic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Unc

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More seriously, I don't know the group, probably won't ever because 1) as you said French and rock 'n roll just don't mix, and 2) Bertrand Cantat managed to murder an actress I liked who had all the looks and talent he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
The trouble with this analysis is that it's all black-and-white, no shades of gray.One of the problems with cult-like thinking is that it often only sees in black and white. With the program or off the program. Purity or impurity. Right technique or wrong technique.Therefore when people

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In one sense, hearing stories like this is a bit liberating, because you can't even resent the idiots who did this or have any ill wishes towards them. Any ill-wishing would be completely redundant and useless. To

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
I was fucking with you, dude. I know the group, and their music.I think both are mediocre beyond belief, and thought that longbefore the drug-addled leader of the band decided to beat hismovie star girlfriend into a bloody pulp. I was trying to avoid saying so, since you seem to like

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Unc

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
That doesn't mean that I don't like you, merely that I don't likethis particular group, and thus am not likely to be able to recommendany group that is somewhat similar. Shoulda just said so at the start...Right, just should have said so. Simple. I appreciate that. Thanks for the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jewish Haiku :-)

2005-07-21 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is one Nobel Prize so much to ask from a child after all I've done? Good thing I'd swallowed my coffee before I read this.:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: I think you need to answer the question I asked several posts back about keeping the purity of the teaching. Yes, this is the Big Question. Around here, people seem to have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Ken Wilber Just another wuss who justifies believing he's right about things. :-) Try actually reading what he said, instead of what you would like him to have said so that you could continue to believe you're

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
you can't even resent the idiots who did thisor have any ill wishes towards them. -Because they actually weren't idiots. Thinking that people are idiots is really just idiotic. Because on the one hand there are no "people" at all. There are individuals. And on the other to lump all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: I think you need to answer the question I asked several posts back about keeping the purity of the teaching. Yes, this is the Big Question. Around here, people seem to have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
A valid point. I spent the day yesterday with a priest friendwho was showing me around the parts of the Palais des Papesin Avignon that the tourists can't get to. This involved the secretpassages that the Popes used to get to their mistresses' roomsand down to the torture chambers, where

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Vaj
On Jul 21, 2004, at 10:04 AM, Llundrub wrote: ---Actually your reification of 'cult-like' thinking takes place upon some assumed superior conceptual framework where 'cult-like' has some meaning.  However, viewing the situation without labels one would immediately see that there is no TMO at all,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2005, at 8:50 AM, authfriend wrote: The trouble with this analysis is that it's all black-and-white, no shades of gray. One of the problems with cult-like thinking is that it often only sees in black and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can't even resent the idiots who did this or have any ill wishes towards them. -Because they actually weren't idiots. Thinking that people are idiots is really just idiotic. Because on the one hand there

[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even *interested* in seeing other teachers? Suitable pace by

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A valid point. I spent the day yesterday with a priest friend who was showing me around the parts of the Palais des Papes in Avignon that the tourists can't get to. This involved the secret passages that the Popes used

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think my friend is more enlightened than most of us. He meditates TM regular, he is very devoted to the Ved and he encourage people to start with TM. He has tried several times to apply for the TM-Sidhi- course, they

[FairfieldLife] Sad UK News - More Bombings

2005-07-21 Thread sramanist
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703853.stm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ *

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread markmeredith2002
The idea that the TMO couldn't evolve into the same self satisfied and self righteous institution as the Church is bogus because TMO is already many millions of light years ahead in terms of numbers and basic influence than Jesus was during his life. There is no certainty, but there is a

[FairfieldLife] Voltaire Quotes

2005-07-21 Thread Jeff Fischer
These quotes reminded me of different topics and people on FFL. The game is, see what person(s) or topics flash to mind as you read each quote (purely for entertainment purposes only) A witty saying proves nothing. I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread Patrick Gillam
off_world_beings wrote: I think you need to answer the question I asked several posts back about keeping the purity of the teaching. Patrick Gillam wrote: Yes, this is the Big Question. Around here, people seem to have answered it in a number of ways: Judy Stein

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip IMO it is Ok even if Maharishi and the TMO feel that

[FairfieldLife] 'Drawing Sat Yuga Down...'

2005-07-21 Thread Robert Gimbel
I've heard another interpretation, of this notion, which Maharishi is expressing, and that is: The Soul Energy is above one's head, animates the body, from above (Heaven); enters and radiates through the crown chakra.. Flying Sidhi, draws the soul energy down into the body(earth)ie: bringing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread markmeredith2002
What exactly is purity of the teaching? Go to see 5 different Maharishi Jyotishis and you'll get 5 different readings using 5 different approaches, but if a jyotishi trained at maharishi jyotish courses and using his training faithfully decides to stop giving the right % of his revenues to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Robert Gimbel
---I'm not sure what is the difference between so-called established religion and cults. The difference ultimately between the TM movement, and the rest, is that Maharishi believes that his teaching, which he received from Guru Dev, was and is an evlivenment of the basis of all religions or

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
---Actually your reification of 'cult-like' thinking takes place upon some assumed superior conceptual framework where 'cult-like' has some meaning. However, viewing the situation without labels one would immediately see that there is no TMO at all, there are many diifferent

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
I'm not a Buddhist per se, by the way. I'm not anything in particular per se. Buddhism has for me the most resonance I've found in a major spiritual path, but that's the extent of it.There is dogma in traditional Buddhism I don't believe fora minute, never will, and won't ever feel bad

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think my friend is more enlightened than most of us. He meditates TM regular, he is very devoted to the Ved and he encourage people to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Robert Gimbel
--This was lifted from: Path's to God, and the Language of Nature...Which can be linked @: http://vinyasi.mayashastra.org/essays/coorespondence/ The path of tamas, the death of death itself (the path of Shiva, which is freedom from the wheel of necessity, or rebirths, and freedom from

[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One response that I did not list in my earlier post might be this: 5. I cannot say what is ultimate truth, nor will I take the word of others for what is truth. Hence I cannot say whether the purity of TM is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even *interested* in seeing other teachers? Suitable pace by whose standard? Who decides what is and is not suitable, and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
recently relieved oftheir duties, initiations are pretty much dead, enrollments at mum andother tmo institutions have been in decline for awhile -- and all thisdecline while the founder is still alive. What will happen when theprime source of inspiration in the tmo is gone and it's left

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Vaj
On Jul 21, 2004, at 12:46 PM, Llundrub wrote: I don't think I ever used the words evil or hatred.  Selective memory perhaps? The honest fact is that you have never really seen through my words to their essence which is the relativity of conceptualization in general. Never? Seems you and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
Moreover you're constantly putting on more makeup. Constantly? How would you know? Could you quote me? Maybe I was sitting here naked the whole time. Nothing personal, but if we ever get into a discussion I'm gonna stick with the mental image of you wearing makeup, rather than the one of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Vaj
On Jul 21, 2005, at 1:32 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Nothing personal, but if we ever get into a discussion I'm gonna stick with the mental image of you wearing makeup, rather than the one of you sitting there naked. :-) And I do appreciate that. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
Thats a onesided story. Obviously the TMO must have strong reasons for not wanting him on the course.And those reasons are valid, simply because the TMO has them?---Like he isn't a 6.9 version enlightened synchophant of the 6th ray, but a mere 2.4 verson quasi-awakened acolyte of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
I have heard you talk "about" various esoteric Buddhist topics, but honestly from my perspective you seem to miss the points much of the time--and I know lamas have told you this as well. Interesting concepts if that's what your into (and I certainly respect your right to do that if you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly is purity of the teaching? Go to see 5 different Maharishi Jyotishis and you'll get 5 different readings using 5 different approaches, but if a jyotishi trained at maharishi jyotish courses and using

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not saying that TMO will survive, but I think that if you think that it cannot survive and even grow then you're overlooking the basic irrational nature of humans and the ability for memes to spread like chicken pox

[FairfieldLife] Female Siddhas, Dakinis, etc.

2005-07-21 Thread Patrick Gillam
While looking for somethign else, I stumbled across the list below. It dovetails with a discussion in another thread, so I thought I'd post it for the Chick Power types in the crowd. found at http://tinyurl.com/94b6u 108 Female Siddhas, Dakinis, Yoginis and Tantric Adepts Recently a famous

[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the pure technique you wish to protect were doing its job and offering its practitioners a suitable pace of spiritual growth, how many people would be even *interested* in seeing other teachers?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrics

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read one or two people here describe themselves as tantrics. What do you mean when you say that? No hidden agenda. Just want tantra defined by someone who might be able to put it in context for me.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Vaj
On Jul 21, 2004, at 1:37 PM, Llundrub wrote: It's just part of the way I was trained but more importantly because it is something I find useful and practical.     What is?  I don't get what youre refering to. Checking ones motivation, ones own underlying motivation.     Therefore when

[FairfieldLife] Tantrics

2005-07-21 Thread Patrick Gillam
I've read one or two people here describe themselves as tantrics. What do you mean when you say that? No hidden agenda. Just want tantra defined by someone who might be able to put it in context for me. Thanks. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrics

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read one or two people here describe themselves as tantrics. What do you mean when you say that? No hidden agenda. Just want tantra defined by someone who might be able to put it in context for me.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tantrics

2005-07-21 Thread Bhairitu
Patrick Gillam wrote: I've read one or two people here describe themselves as tantrics. What do you mean when you say that? No hidden agenda. Just want tantra defined by someone who might be able to put it in context for me. Thanks. - Patrick Gillam It's often hard to put tantra into

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tantrics

2005-07-21 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read one or two people here describe themselves as tantrics. What do you mean when you say that? No hidden agenda. Just want tantra defined by someone who might be able to put it in context for me. Thanks. - Patrick Gillam

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrics

2005-07-21 Thread Bhairitu
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read one or two people here describe themselves as tantrics. What do you mean when you say that? No hidden agenda. Just want tantra defined by someone who might be able to put it in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrics

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you haven't practice a real tantric sadhana, have you? Sure I have, in the past. Mantras, yantras, formal practices, direct transmission from the guru, the whole bit. But that was then, this is now. What you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread Patrick Gillam
L B Shriver wrote: The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For example, the principle of innocence in practice— absolutely foundational as far as I'm concerned—was completely trashed by the practice of grading students on their performance in the Domes, where

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrics

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
That was good writing Unc. -My take. Tantrics are like TMers who eschew any conventional notion of path or intermediary. Thus, if you have the impulse to worship Mother Divine, you need not ask permission. They are not necessarily TMers, but TMers can be tantrics. The basic notion

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
That's not what I said. "I have heard you talk "about" various esoteric Buddhist topics, but honestly from my perspective you seem to miss the points much of the time--and I know lamas have told you this as well." is what I said. But this isn't so. What esoteric thing and what lama

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrics

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was good writing Unc. Just a rap, but thanks. -My take. Tantrics are like TMers who eschew any conventional notion of path or intermediary. Thus, if you have the impulse to worship Mother Divine, you need not

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's Methodology,

2005-07-21 Thread Jason Spock
OriginalMessage--- To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: "Robert Gimbel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Methodology. Seems to me, that everything goes in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Honest answers (was comments on Gable's editorial)

2005-07-21 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not what I said. I have heard you talk about various esoteric Buddhist topics, but honestly from my perspective you seem to miss the points much of the time--and I know lamas have told you this as well. is what I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Methodology, 'Dark v Light...'

2005-07-21 Thread Robert Gimbel
-There is much resistance to light by the dark; or you could say, between lower vibrations and higher vibrations; Spiritually means: resistance of the ego to letting go. Like the ego, which has to relinquish it's power and control, when confronted by Being, or spiritual experience; certain

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrics

2005-07-21 Thread Robert Gimbel
--There is a much light in the darkest valley; the light within... By the same token, there is dark also, in high places... - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There is just as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread Llundrub
- Original Message - From: Patrick Gillam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers) L B Shriver wrote: The Knowledge have actually been compromised by the University. For

[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-21 Thread Robert Gimbel
---I agree with you: seems like you have to push the personal envelope, and get out of the ego to experience Unity... Another way to think of it, is that we all have to find our own Christ Consciousness or Maharishi Consciousness or Buddah Consciousness and so on...in order to complete our

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrics

2005-07-21 Thread Bhairitu
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you haven't practice a real tantric sadhana, have you? Sure I have, in the past. Mantras, yantras, formal practices, direct transmission from the guru, the whole bit. But that was then,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrics

2005-07-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --There is a much light in the darkest valley; the light within... By the same token, there is dark also, in high places... Sometimes the road leads through dark places Sometimes the darkness is your friend --- Bruce

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