[FairfieldLife] Youcranian siddha?
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[FairfieldLife] Twilight Men
Passing along a movie tip from a friend: www.twilightmen.com TWILIGHT MEN His head told him they couldn't exist. His heart told him they did. At the beginning of the year 2000, a man decides to leave the modern city he knows for a remote part of the Himalayas he does not. He is going to find evidence of the supernatural powers of the Himalayan Masters. But when he meets Anah Baba, an ominous young sadhu, every step up the mountain takes him deeper into a bizarre world he never knew existed. "More real than any fiction, more captivating than any documentary, Twilight Men marks the beginning of a new genre - the True Film. -- Richard Atkins "Not for the faint hearted." -- Ben Aiden "This film will change your life."-- Sarah Brunello "I've been to the East many times, but I've never seen an India like this one." -- Pedro Madjor "Who says there's nothing left to explore in this world. Twilight Men proves that the world is still full of mystery waiting to be revealed." -- Steve Caldwell Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Johnny Gray's "Ghost Whisperer"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > TurquoiseB wrote: > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>On closer examination this seems be a video of a play from the > >>book not the film: > >>http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/001670.html > > > >Thanks. If you run across it anywhere, and > >they have a second copy, let me know. > > > A friend who used to have a video store found this listing. You will > need a region free player (or a little computer voodoo). > http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=DMSM-6150 Many thanks. The region-free thing is covered, so I look forward to seeing it again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Judy: > > > > Rory, has it ever occurred to you to say to > > > > yourself, "Gee, this doesn't seem to be working"? > > > > Rory: > > > *lol* No. I certainly wouldn't see the point in giving up before > > > we have even tried; that doesn't seem like you. But it is *your* > > > body, and *your* emotions and *your* mind, and you have every > > > right to choose when and where and with whom and certainly > > > *whether or not* to inquire into them. I think you're the greatest > > > either way.:-) > > > > On the other hand, if I *were* saying to myself, "Gee, this doesn't > > seem to be working," and if there were some pain associated with the > > thought, I suppose I would go ahead and breathe and see/feel where > > in the body that pain/defeatism was located, and so on ... :-) > > Great. You go do that, and let us know what > you discover, OK? And Judy will keep complaining about being in ignorance. It's a status quo thang... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So I'm sitting there not appreciating the Now, > > > > and I say to myself, "I'd rather be appreciating > > > > the Now." > > > > > > > > My point is that you've gotten yourself into > > > > yet another infinite regress when you "prescribe" > > > > appreciating the Now. > > > > > > Some Suggestions on How to Appreciate the Now: > > > > > > 1) Pay attention to whatever is in front of us. How are we > feeling? > > > If we feel good, the exercise is done. If not, try step 2. > > > > "It would be better if I felt good." > > And so how do we feel? Not-good? Is that the same as bad? What kind > of bad? Itchy? Weepy? Stubborn? Guilty? Angry? "Not-good" is a good > start, but perhaps let's dig a little deeper, taking our time, > allowing it to breathe. Where in the body would it be, if it were > in the body? Another very useful technique, with the limitation inherent in any technique. It must actually be practiced, not just read and discarded. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I am heartened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > I have linked below an article by environmental extremist Laurie > > David > > > (Larry David's wife) from the Huffington Post on global warming. > > > > > > I am heartened not by the article but by the posted comments > > > afterwards. There are many, many posted comments from the other > > side > > > of the debate taking David to task for claiming that the debate > over > > > global warming is over. > > > > > > It isn't...not by a LONG shot. > > > > > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laurie-david/global-warming-time- > for- > > > _b_7938.html > > > > > > > > TMer Michael Crichton testifies before Congress about global > warming: > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/29/books/29cric.html > > What a joke. Is it a joke that the polar ice caps on Mars are melting? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > U: > > And when this happens, in this dreamed-of future, > > wave to the pigs as they fly by... :-) > > The ones emerging from your butt? Mixed metaphor. It's monkeys that fly out of one's butt, and pigs that fly. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria > > > > > > for CC? > > > > > > > > > > That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); > > > > > "witnessing" can apply to temporary experiences > > > > > (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). > > > > > > > > > > It's a "symbol," but for a very specific > > > > > experience. I don't see that your four- > > > > > letter job is any better, as long as we > > > > > know what the definition of "CC" is. > > > > > > > > > > That's all I'm saying. I agree with you > > > > > that a lot of the other terms are problematic. > > > > > > > > Good. > > > > > > > > But what is your definition of CC? (but define it in a non- > > seeking > > > > way :) ) > > > > > > In my understanding of how MMY uses the term, CC > > > is permanent, 24-hour-a-day foreground PC. > > > > > > > Can you now get universal consensus on this list for that > > > > definition? > > > > > > If I'm representing MMY's definition correctly, > > > I ought to be able to, at least from those who > > > recall MMY's teaching. Corrections to my > > > understanding of how MMY uses the term are > > > welcome. > > > > > > I'm only suggesting it because it's a term we're > > > all familiar with, and it's not a complicated > > > definition. > > > > Downright simplistic, in fact. :-) > > Suitable for beginners, true. Suitable for experts, too...just incomplete, as any definition of the undefinable would be. It's sorta like defining an orange as a round fruit. There's more to it than that... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I am heartened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I have linked below an article by environmental extremist Laurie > David > > (Larry David's wife) from the Huffington Post on global warming. > > > > I am heartened not by the article but by the posted comments > > afterwards. There are many, many posted comments from the other > side > > of the debate taking David to task for claiming that the debate over > > global warming is over. > > > > It isn't...not by a LONG shot. > > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laurie-david/global-warming-time- for- > > _b_7938.html > > > > TMer Michael Crichton testifies before Congress about global warming: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/29/books/29cric.html What a joke. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I am heartened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I have linked below an article by environmental extremist Laurie > David > > (Larry David's wife) from the Huffington Post on global warming. > > > > I am heartened not by the article but by the posted comments > > afterwards. There are many, many posted comments from the other > side > > of the debate taking David to task for claiming that the debate over > > global warming is over. > > > > It isn't...not by a LONG shot. > > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laurie-david/global-warming-time- for- > > _b_7938.html > > > > TMer Michael Crichton testifies before Congress about global warming: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/29/books/29cric.html Crichton is a TMer? Details please! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What would happen if Hagelin...?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "off_world_beings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What would happen if Hagelin seriously weighed in on the current, > highly charged, debate on intelligent design? How would he argue, > left, right, or center? > Define the terms first. Evolution is the inspiration for a major form of artificial intelligence theory, afterall... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Beautiful. A few comments interleaved below. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Akasha: > > > > > > Does it strike anyone else as funny, even absurd, that the > > > whole paradigm about enlightenment on this list is > > > > > > dichotomous, digital, either "on or off"? > > > > > > > > Unc: > > > > > YES! That's exactly the issue. > > > > > > > > > I realized that some time back, during the discussions > > > > > about 'appreciation.' Some comment by, I think, Tom > > > > > made me completely abandon my old paradigm and come up > > > > > with a new one that more accurately described my > > > > > subjective experience. > > > > > > > > A: > > > > > > Pure consciousness begins from the first mediation. If not > > > > > > before. > > > > > > > > U: > > > > > Before. There has never been a moment in my life when > > > > > I was not enlightened. > > > > > > > > That's the one point on all of this where I think we differ. > > > > First, I see no value in labels such as enlightenment. > > > > > > Me, either. I was just using the terminology already > > > being used in these discussions. > > > > > > > It can create > > > > distinctions, it can creates longing for "titles", it can > create > > > > false egos, it can creates scams, etc. And the upside is? > > > > > > Giving some people who are anxious for the "title" > > > something to do with their time? :-) > > > > > > > > I just never appreciated it > > > > > until a three-week period in Fiuggi, when the 24/7 wit- > > > > > nessing made it impossible not to appreciate. Since > > > > > then, that witnessing has slipped from foreground to > > > > > background many times, but what I realized during the > > > > > 'appreciation' discussion is that it has always been > > > > > present. What I realized when I first appreciated it > > > > > was that it had *always* been present. > > > > > Speaking of which, perhaps someone can comment on an experience I've > had lately: > > I've always had a well developed intellect, can think quickly. > However, lately my intellect has literally been operating on a > higher level. I say that because my previous experience of mental > concentration in order to think something through always felt like > it was inside my brain, and it took a lot of effort. > > My recent experience is that I am thinking *above* my brain. There > seems to be a location about two hands above my head, wherein if I > focus my thinking there, my intellect seems to achieve effortless > answers to anything. > > Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what this is, or have heard > of it before? Also feels like I'm wearing a crown, or a halo or > something. Not a big deal, just curious. Thanks- Sounds like classic disociation... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: M's Criteria
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Remember those days? Standing there waiting for MMY. > > You see him and that amazing wave of darshan sweeping > > through. "Jai Guru Dev!" and he snaps the flower from > > your hand. The eye contact, when it occured- absolute > > magic. > > *** > Excuse me, Peter, I'm a bit confused. Is this an advertisement for > Visa card? That would be Discover card. Or perhaps Capital One: What's in YOUR wallet? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > You've been trying now for quite a string of posts. > > Do you think you've gotten anywhere? > > *lol* Yes, I have done the work I needed to do. I meant with me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Rory: > > > > > > How do you know this is impossible, Judy, if you haven't > > tried > > > > it? > > > > > > > > Judy: > > > > > Oh, for heaven's sake, of course I've tried it. > > > > > > > > Rory: > > > > Yes? With whom? I hope you had company. Most people find it > far > > > > easier and more effective the first few times if they are > > > > accompanied by a guide, rebirther or the like: one who has > > > > traversed and integrated the "ignorance" themselves. > > > > The "ignorance" can indeed be pretty damned scary to go into > > alone > > > > at first. > > > > > > Oh, so now I have to have a "guide." > > > > Have to? No, not at all. Some don't. It can just make it easier, > > particularly if one feels (as you seem to) that it is actually > > undoable, that you have tried it and failed. > > > > > > > > Who is going to make or allow that "slight but crucial > > > > adjustment" > > > > > > if not you? > > > > > > > > Judy: > > > > > What "you" are you talking about? > > > > > > > > Rory: > > > > Just "you". > > > > > > > > Judy: > > > > And what on > > > > > earth leads you to think that it's something > > > > > "you" *make*? > > > > > > > > Rory: > > > > If not "you", then who? > > > > > > Emphasis on "make," Rory. Try again. > > > > I am intentionally putting the emphasis on "you" rather than on > > *make*, as angle lies somewhere in between or inclusive of both > > *make* and *allow* :-) > > > > > > > > When (if ever) do you plan to make or allow it? > > > > > > > > Judy: > > > > > I plan to let it happen whenever it's > > > > > ready to happen. > > > > > > > > Rory: > > > > How will you know when it is ready to happen? > > > > > > I won't know until it happens. > > > > How are you going to let it happen if you won't know until it > > happens? > > > > Who do you think is going to do this for you? Time? > > > > :-) > > This exchange reminds me of a title of a thread on here about > Maharishi refusing to levitate... How very peculiar. Did you actually *read* the exchange? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What would happen if Hagelin...?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "off_world_beings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What would happen if Hagelin seriously weighed in on the current, > highly charged, debate on intelligent design? How would he argue, > left, right, or center? > > OffWorld * Hagelin would probably have to go with MMY's statement in the SBAL (~p.274): "All the innumerable decisions that are apparently the result of natural laws in the process of evolution are the innumerable decisions of the almighty personal supreme God at the head of creation. He governs and maintains the entire field of evolution and the different lives of innumerable beings in the whole cosmos." But to me, this does not look different from seeing the universe as run by natural laws, i.e., whether it is a person or laws reacting to behavior, the outcome looks the same. God is not directing the activity of creatures, but is reacting to their behavior -- if somebody smokes cigarettes (like David Lynch with his packaday habit after 30+ years of TM), making the body coarse, the reaction is to create disease which eventually eliminates the body -- this is natural selection, whether it is done by a person or a set of laws operating automatically. So although Intelligent Design people would probably be satisfied with MMY's statement (that is, if he wasn't a goldurn Hindu), so could scientists who see the universe as natural-law-based. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Speaking of which, perhaps someone can comment on an experience > I've > > had lately: > > > > I've always had a well developed intellect, can think quickly. > > However, lately my intellect has literally been operating on a > > higher level. I say that because my previous experience of mental > > concentration in order to think something through always felt like > > it was inside my brain, and it took a lot of effort. > > > > My recent experience is that I am thinking *above* my brain. There > > seems to be a location about two hands above my head, wherein if I > > focus my thinking there, my intellect seems to achieve effortless > > answers to anything. > > > > Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what this is, or have > heard > > of it before? Also feels like I'm wearing a crown, or a halo or > > something. Not a big deal, just curious. Thanks- > > This sounds somewhat like what we used to call "channelling" -- that > is, first allowing the consciousness to dwell in the radiant center > about 8-12 inches above the head, a kind of "grand central station" > chakra, and from there accessing different aspects or dimensions of > our higher Self or Wholeness (Masters, Gods, Gurus, etc.) which > until then had seemed inaccessible. From this place it is very easy > to access any knowledge one wishes or needs to accomplish one's > dharma here. For me anyhow it was a significant step forward into > healing, integrating and more spontaneously realizing the Nowness of > all time/all space/all aspects of the Self. :-) Makes good sense. Yes, it does make life easier. Ties into another set of experiences whereby events are significantly outpacing my expectations- wish for a dollar, get a hundred...Thank You! I am not aware of or particularly interested in who might be providing this info. Higher Self works though. The info does seem to come from above and beyond. Thanks again Rory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What would happen if Hagelin...?
What would happen if Hagelin seriously weighed in on the current, highly charged, debate on intelligent design? How would he argue, left, right, or center? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking of which, perhaps someone can comment on an experience I've > had lately: > > I've always had a well developed intellect, can think quickly. > However, lately my intellect has literally been operating on a > higher level. I say that because my previous experience of mental > concentration in order to think something through always felt like > it was inside my brain, and it took a lot of effort. > > My recent experience is that I am thinking *above* my brain. There > seems to be a location about two hands above my head, wherein if I > focus my thinking there, my intellect seems to achieve effortless > answers to anything. > > Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what this is, or have heard > of it before? Also feels like I'm wearing a crown, or a halo or > something. Not a big deal, just curious. Thanks- This sounds somewhat like what we used to call "channelling" -- that is, first allowing the consciousness to dwell in the radiant center about 8-12 inches above the head, a kind of "grand central station" chakra, and from there accessing different aspects or dimensions of our higher Self or Wholeness (Masters, Gods, Gurus, etc.) which until then had seemed inaccessible. From this place it is very easy to access any knowledge one wishes or needs to accomplish one's dharma here. For me anyhow it was a significant step forward into healing, integrating and more spontaneously realizing the Nowness of all time/all space/all aspects of the Self. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I am heartened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have linked below an article by environmental extremist Laurie David > (Larry David's wife) from the Huffington Post on global warming. > > I am heartened not by the article but by the posted comments > afterwards. There are many, many posted comments from the other side > of the debate taking David to task for claiming that the debate over > global warming is over. > > It isn't...not by a LONG shot. > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laurie-david/global-warming-time-for- > _b_7938.html TMer Michael Crichton testifies before Congress about global warming: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/29/books/29cric.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Beautiful. A few comments interleaved below. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Akasha: > > > > > > Does it strike anyone else as funny, even absurd, that the > > > whole paradigm about enlightenment on this list is > > > > > > dichotomous, digital, either "on or off"? > > > > > > > > Unc: > > > > > YES! That's exactly the issue. > > > > > > > > > I realized that some time back, during the discussions > > > > > about 'appreciation.' Some comment by, I think, Tom > > > > > made me completely abandon my old paradigm and come up > > > > > with a new one that more accurately described my > > > > > subjective experience. > > > > > > > > A: > > > > > > Pure consciousness begins from the first mediation. If not > > > > > > before. > > > > > > > > U: > > > > > Before. There has never been a moment in my life when > > > > > I was not enlightened. > > > > > > > > That's the one point on all of this where I think we differ. > > > > First, I see no value in labels such as enlightenment. > > > > > > Me, either. I was just using the terminology already > > > being used in these discussions. > > > > > > > It can create > > > > distinctions, it can creates longing for "titles", it can > create > > > > false egos, it can creates scams, etc. And the upside is? > > > > > > Giving some people who are anxious for the "title" > > > something to do with their time? :-) > > > > > > > > I just never appreciated it > > > > > until a three-week period in Fiuggi, when the 24/7 wit- > > > > > nessing made it impossible not to appreciate. Since > > > > > then, that witnessing has slipped from foreground to > > > > > background many times, but what I realized during the > > > > > 'appreciation' discussion is that it has always been > > > > > present. What I realized when I first appreciated it > > > > > was that it had *always* been present. > > > > > Speaking of which, perhaps someone can comment on an experience I've > had lately: > > I've always had a well developed intellect, can think quickly. > However, lately my intellect has literally been operating on a > higher level. I say that because my previous experience of mental > concentration in order to think something through always felt like > it was inside my brain, and it took a lot of effort. > > My recent experience is that I am thinking *above* my brain. There > seems to be a location about two hands above my head, wherein if I > focus my thinking there, my intellect seems to achieve effortless > answers to anything. > > Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what this is, or have heard > of it before? Also feels like I'm wearing a crown, or a halo or > something. Not a big deal, just curious. Thanks->>> If it is effortless it is probably Krishna, the Charioteer, but the word 'focus' suggests is could be Beelzebub, the Illusionist. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Rory: > > > > > How do you know this is impossible, Judy, if you haven't > tried > > > it? > > > > > > Judy: > > > > Oh, for heaven's sake, of course I've tried it. > > > > > > Rory: > > > Yes? With whom? I hope you had company. Most people find it far > > > easier and more effective the first few times if they are > > > accompanied by a guide, rebirther or the like: one who has > > > traversed and integrated the "ignorance" themselves. > > > The "ignorance" can indeed be pretty damned scary to go into > alone > > > at first. > > > > Oh, so now I have to have a "guide." > > Have to? No, not at all. Some don't. It can just make it easier, > particularly if one feels (as you seem to) that it is actually > undoable, that you have tried it and failed. > > > > > > Who is going to make or allow that "slight but crucial > > > adjustment" > > > > > if not you? > > > > > > Judy: > > > > What "you" are you talking about? > > > > > > Rory: > > > Just "you". > > > > > > Judy: > > > And what on > > > > earth leads you to think that it's something > > > > "you" *make*? > > > > > > Rory: > > > If not "you", then who? > > > > Emphasis on "make," Rory. Try again. > > I am intentionally putting the emphasis on "you" rather than on > *make*, as angle lies somewhere in between or inclusive of both > *make* and *allow* :-) > > > > > > When (if ever) do you plan to make or allow it? > > > > > > Judy: > > > > I plan to let it happen whenever it's > > > > ready to happen. > > > > > > Rory: > > > How will you know when it is ready to happen? > > > > I won't know until it happens. > > How are you going to let it happen if you won't know until it > happens? > > Who do you think is going to do this for you? Time? > > :-) This exchange reminds me of a title of a thread on here about Maharishi refusing to levitate... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Beautiful. A few comments interleaved below. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Akasha: > > > > > Does it strike anyone else as funny, even absurd, that the > > whole paradigm about enlightenment on this list is > > > > > dichotomous, digital, either "on or off"? > > > > > > Unc: > > > > YES! That's exactly the issue. > > > > > > > I realized that some time back, during the discussions > > > > about 'appreciation.' Some comment by, I think, Tom > > > > made me completely abandon my old paradigm and come up > > > > with a new one that more accurately described my > > > > subjective experience. > > > > > > A: > > > > > Pure consciousness begins from the first mediation. If not > > > > > before. > > > > > > U: > > > > Before. There has never been a moment in my life when > > > > I was not enlightened. > > > > > > That's the one point on all of this where I think we differ. > > > First, I see no value in labels such as enlightenment. > > > > Me, either. I was just using the terminology already > > being used in these discussions. > > > > > It can create > > > distinctions, it can creates longing for "titles", it can create > > > false egos, it can creates scams, etc. And the upside is? > > > > Giving some people who are anxious for the "title" > > something to do with their time? :-) > > > > > > I just never appreciated it > > > > until a three-week period in Fiuggi, when the 24/7 wit- > > > > nessing made it impossible not to appreciate. Since > > > > then, that witnessing has slipped from foreground to > > > > background many times, but what I realized during the > > > > 'appreciation' discussion is that it has always been > > > > present. What I realized when I first appreciated it > > > > was that it had *always* been present. > > > Speaking of which, perhaps someone can comment on an experience I've had lately: I've always had a well developed intellect, can think quickly. However, lately my intellect has literally been operating on a higher level. I say that because my previous experience of mental concentration in order to think something through always felt like it was inside my brain, and it took a lot of effort. My recent experience is that I am thinking *above* my brain. There seems to be a location about two hands above my head, wherein if I focus my thinking there, my intellect seems to achieve effortless answers to anything. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what this is, or have heard of it before? Also feels like I'm wearing a crown, or a halo or something. Not a big deal, just curious. Thanks- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Judy: > > > > > Rory, has it ever occurred to you to say to > > > > > yourself, "Gee, this doesn't seem to be working"? > > > > > > Rory: > > > > *lol* No. I certainly wouldn't see the point in giving up > before > > > > we have even tried; that doesn't seem like you. But it is > *your* > > > > body, and *your* emotions and *your* mind, and you have every > > > > right to choose when and where and with whom and certainly > > > > *whether or not* to inquire into them. I think you're the > greatest > > > > either way.:-) > > > > > > On the other hand, if I *were* saying to myself, "Gee, this > doesn't > > > seem to be working," and if there were some pain associated with > the > > > thought, I suppose I would go ahead and breathe and see/feel > where > > > in the body that pain/defeatism was located, and so on ... :-) > > > > Great. You go do that, and let us know what > > you discover, OK? > > I found my ever-perfect Self ... what a surprise! :-) I choose to be small, I choose to be large, I choose CC, I choose GC, I choose UC, I choose boredom, grief, pain, sorrow, joy, happiness, dissolution, concentration, bliss, misery, friendship, isolation, love, unity, perfection, growth, bewilderment, comprehension, surprise, appreciation, cognition, and nothing at all. Don't we all? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: M's Criteria
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Remember those days? Standing there waiting for MMY. > You see him and that amazing wave of darshan sweeping > through. "Jai Guru Dev!" and he snaps the flower from > your hand. The eye contact, when it occured- absolute > magic. *** Excuse me, Peter, I'm a bit confused. Is this an advertisement for Visa card? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] I am heartened
I have linked below an article by environmental extremist Laurie David (Larry David's wife) from the Huffington Post on global warming. I am heartened not by the article but by the posted comments afterwards. There are many, many posted comments from the other side of the debate taking David to task for claiming that the debate over global warming is over. It isn't...not by a LONG shot. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laurie-david/global-warming-time-for- _b_7938.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Judy: > > > > Rory, has it ever occurred to you to say to > > > > yourself, "Gee, this doesn't seem to be working"? > > > > Rory: > > > *lol* No. I certainly wouldn't see the point in giving up before > > > we have even tried; that doesn't seem like you. But it is *your* > > > body, and *your* emotions and *your* mind, and you have every > > > right to choose when and where and with whom and certainly > > > *whether or not* to inquire into them. I think you're the greatest > > > either way.:-) > > > > On the other hand, if I *were* saying to myself, "Gee, this doesn't > > seem to be working," and if there were some pain associated with the > > thought, I suppose I would go ahead and breathe and see/feel where > > in the body that pain/defeatism was located, and so on ... :-) > > Great. You go do that, and let us know what > you discover, OK? I found my ever-perfect Self ... what a surprise! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I'm sitting there not appreciating the Now, > > > > > > > and I say to myself, "I'd rather be appreciating > > > > > > > the Now." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point is that you've gotten yourself into > > > > > > > yet another infinite regress when you "prescribe" > > > > > > > appreciating the Now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Suggestions on How to Appreciate the Now: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Pay attention to whatever is in front of us. How are we > > > > feeling? > > > > > > If we feel good, the exercise is done. If not, try step 2. > > > > > > > > > > "It would be better if I felt good." > > > > > > > > And so how do we feel? Not-good? Is that the same as bad? What > > kind > > > > of bad? Itchy? Weepy? Stubborn? Guilty? Angry? "Not-good" is a > > good > > > > start, but perhaps let's dig a little deeper, taking our time, > > > > allowing it to breathe. Where in the body would it be, if it > were > > > > in the body? > > > > > > Rory, has it ever occurred to you to say to > > > yourself, "Gee, this doesn't seem to be working"? > > > > *lol* No. I certainly wouldn't see the point in giving up before we > > have even tried > > You've been trying now for quite a string of posts. > Do you think you've gotten anywhere? *lol* Yes, I have done the work I needed to do. I can't speak for your progress; that's your business, not mine. I do what I do because I love it, the process of it. Where am I supposed to be going or to have gotten, other than here? :-) Even if we never get around to "officially" trying the Work together, still -- talking about its mechanics is fun, and I appreciate your graciously giving me the opportunity to do so, almost ad infinitum if not ad nauseam. Anyhow, I respect your privacy, your comfort-zone, your innately perfect sense of timing, and your right to choose your own path. I am not certain this forum would be the most comfortable place to carry out this sort of work, anyhow. Thanks again for your patience; I love you, Judy :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] M's Criteria
--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > snip> > M's criteria for such, as i remember, as he strolled > into lecture > halls, slowly taking flowers, twinklng at all, was > "Enjoying?". If > yes, (and who ever said "no"!), you were clearly > uncletenspaltzen. > > If he really wanted to get technical, M would say, > "Its good, hmmm?" Remember those days? Standing there waiting for MMY. You see him and that amazing wave of darshan sweeping through. "Jai Guru Dev!" and he snaps the flower from your hand. The eye contact, when it occured- absolute magic. > > > May everyone always be uncletenspaltzen. > > Enjoying? > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Johnny Gray's "Ghost Whisperer"
TurquoiseB wrote: >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>On closer examination this seems be a video of a play from the >>book not the film: >>http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/001670.html >> >> > >Thanks. If you run across it anywhere, and >they have a second copy, let me know. > > > A friend who used to have a video store found this listing. You will need a region free player (or a little computer voodoo). http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=DMSM-6150 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Judy: > > > Rory, has it ever occurred to you to say to > > > yourself, "Gee, this doesn't seem to be working"? > > Rory: > > *lol* No. I certainly wouldn't see the point in giving up before > > we have even tried; that doesn't seem like you. But it is *your* > > body, and *your* emotions and *your* mind, and you have every > > right to choose when and where and with whom and certainly > > *whether or not* to inquire into them. I think you're the greatest > > either way.:-) > > On the other hand, if I *were* saying to myself, "Gee, this doesn't > seem to be working," and if there were some pain associated with the > thought, I suppose I would go ahead and breathe and see/feel where > in the body that pain/defeatism was located, and so on ... :-) Great. You go do that, and let us know what you discover, OK? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I'm sitting there not appreciating the Now, > > > > > > and I say to myself, "I'd rather be appreciating > > > > > > the Now." > > > > > > > > > > > > My point is that you've gotten yourself into > > > > > > yet another infinite regress when you "prescribe" > > > > > > appreciating the Now. > > > > > > > > > > Some Suggestions on How to Appreciate the Now: > > > > > > > > > > 1) Pay attention to whatever is in front of us. How are we > > > feeling? > > > > > If we feel good, the exercise is done. If not, try step 2. > > > > > > > > "It would be better if I felt good." > > > > > > And so how do we feel? Not-good? Is that the same as bad? What > kind > > > of bad? Itchy? Weepy? Stubborn? Guilty? Angry? "Not-good" is a > good > > > start, but perhaps let's dig a little deeper, taking our time, > > > allowing it to breathe. Where in the body would it be, if it were > > > in the body? > > > > Rory, has it ever occurred to you to say to > > yourself, "Gee, this doesn't seem to be working"? > > *lol* No. I certainly wouldn't see the point in giving up before we > have even tried You've been trying now for quite a string of posts. Do you think you've gotten anywhere? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
Judy: > > Rory, has it ever occurred to you to say to > > yourself, "Gee, this doesn't seem to be working"? Rory: > *lol* No. I certainly wouldn't see the point in giving up before we > have even tried; that doesn't seem like you. But it is *your* body, > and *your* emotions and *your* mind, and you have every right to > choose when and where and with whom and certainly *whether or not* > to inquire into them. I think you're the greatest either way.:-) On the other hand, if I *were* saying to myself, "Gee, this doesn't seem to be working," and if there were some pain associated with the thought, I suppose I would go ahead and breathe and see/feel where in the body that pain/defeatism was located, and so on ... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I'm sitting there not appreciating the Now, > > > > > and I say to myself, "I'd rather be appreciating > > > > > the Now." > > > > > > > > > > My point is that you've gotten yourself into > > > > > yet another infinite regress when you "prescribe" > > > > > appreciating the Now. > > > > > > > > Some Suggestions on How to Appreciate the Now: > > > > > > > > 1) Pay attention to whatever is in front of us. How are we > > feeling? > > > > If we feel good, the exercise is done. If not, try step 2. > > > > > > "It would be better if I felt good." > > > > And so how do we feel? Not-good? Is that the same as bad? What kind > > of bad? Itchy? Weepy? Stubborn? Guilty? Angry? "Not-good" is a good > > start, but perhaps let's dig a little deeper, taking our time, > > allowing it to breathe. Where in the body would it be, if it were > > in the body? > > Rory, has it ever occurred to you to say to > yourself, "Gee, this doesn't seem to be working"? *lol* No. I certainly wouldn't see the point in giving up before we have even tried; that doesn't seem like you. But it is *your* body, and *your* emotions and *your* mind, and you have every right to choose when and where and with whom and certainly *whether or not* to inquire into them. I think you're the greatest either way.:-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So I'm sitting there not appreciating the Now, > > > > and I say to myself, "I'd rather be appreciating > > > > the Now." > > > > > > > > My point is that you've gotten yourself into > > > > yet another infinite regress when you "prescribe" > > > > appreciating the Now. > > > > > > Some Suggestions on How to Appreciate the Now: > > > > > > 1) Pay attention to whatever is in front of us. How are we > feeling? > > > If we feel good, the exercise is done. If not, try step 2. > > > > "It would be better if I felt good." > > And so how do we feel? Not-good? Is that the same as bad? What kind > of bad? Itchy? Weepy? Stubborn? Guilty? Angry? "Not-good" is a good > start, but perhaps let's dig a little deeper, taking our time, > allowing it to breathe. Where in the body would it be, if it were > in the body? Rory, has it ever occurred to you to say to yourself, "Gee, this doesn't seem to be working"? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So I'm sitting there not appreciating the Now, > > > > and I say to myself, "I'd rather be appreciating > > > > the Now." > > > > > > > > My point is that you've gotten yourself into > > > > yet another infinite regress when you "prescribe" > > > > appreciating the Now. > > > > > > Some Suggestions on How to Appreciate the Now: > > > > > > 1) Pay attention to whatever is in front of us. How are we > > > feeling? If we feel good, the exercise is done. If not, try > > > step 2. > > > > "It would be better if I felt good." > > > > > 2) If we don't feel completely satisfied, and we wish to clarify > > > our thinking patterns, > > > > "It would be better if I clarified my thinking > > patterns so I could be completely satisfied." > > > > > > > 3) If we don't feel completely satisfied, and we wish to > > > clarify our emotional-physiological patterns, > > > > "It would be better if I clarified my > > emotional-physiological patterns so I could be > > completely satisified." > > > > If I work *really really hard* on this, someday > > in the future I may come to be able to appreciate > > the Now. > > And when this happens, in this dreamed-of future, > wave to the pigs as they fly by... :-) *Boy*, you're slow on the uptake today, Barry. Say, here's an idea: Why don't you try actually *reading* the post? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So I'm sitting there not appreciating the Now, > > > > and I say to myself, "I'd rather be appreciating > > > > the Now." > > > > > > > > My point is that you've gotten yourself into > > > > yet another infinite regress when you "prescribe" > > > > appreciating the Now. > > > > > > Some Suggestions on How to Appreciate the Now: > > > > > > 1) Pay attention to whatever is in front of us. How are we > feeling? > > > If we feel good, the exercise is done. If not, try step 2. > > > > "It would be better if I felt good." > > And so how do we feel? Not-good? Is that the same as bad? What kind > of bad? Itchy? Weepy? Stubborn? Guilty? Angry? "Not-good" is a good > start, but perhaps let's dig a little deeper, taking our time, > allowing it to breathe. Where in the body would it be, if it were in > the body? Of course, it is good to choose a time and place and (optionally) a guide wherein you feel safe, secure and appreciated/loved enough to do these inquiries; the internet may well not feel like the proper forum to allow this process to work with the most privacy and fluidity, especially the first time(s)...:-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: M's Criteria
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Using Uncs term, or what I can remember of it, uncletenspaltz, or > whatever, as I have come to understand, it includes all who are > progressing spiritually, from the humblest initiate to a full Buddha > who has achieved the Rainbow body. A nice group. Everyone is > uncletenspaltzen. > > M's criteria for such, as i remember, as he strolled into lecture > halls, slowly taking flowers, twinklng at all, was "Enjoying?". If > yes, (and who ever said "no"!), you were clearly uncletenspaltzen. > > If he really wanted to get technical, M would say, "Its good, hmmm?" > > It works for me. Clearly defined and concise. > > May everyone always be uncletenspaltzen. > > Enjoying? Like that, like that. Jaaai Guru Dev. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > So I'm sitting there not appreciating the Now, > > > and I say to myself, "I'd rather be appreciating > > > the Now." > > > > > > My point is that you've gotten yourself into > > > yet another infinite regress when you "prescribe" > > > appreciating the Now. > > > > Some Suggestions on How to Appreciate the Now: > > > > 1) Pay attention to whatever is in front of us. How are we feeling? > > If we feel good, the exercise is done. If not, try step 2. > > "It would be better if I felt good." And so how do we feel? Not-good? Is that the same as bad? What kind of bad? Itchy? Weepy? Stubborn? Guilty? Angry? "Not-good" is a good start, but perhaps let's dig a little deeper, taking our time, allowing it to breathe. Where in the body would it be, if it were in the body? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
U: > And when this happens, in this dreamed-of future, > wave to the pigs as they fly by... :-) The ones emerging from your butt? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Arctic Ice Cap Shrank Sharply This Summer, Experts Say
I am glad Shemp has guaranteed that this stuff has nothing to due with Greenhouse Emissions. Otherwise it would be scary. - A natural cycle in the polar atmosphere, the Arctic Oscillation, that contributed to the reduction in Arctic ice in the past was not a significant factor right now, he said, adding that rising temperatures driven by accumulating greenhouse-gas emissions had to be playing a role. Arctic Ice Cap Shrank Sharply This Summer, Experts Say By ANDREW C. REVKIN Published: September 28, 2005 NYT The floating cap of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean shrank this summer to what is probably its smallest size in a century, continuing a trend toward less summer ice that is hard to explain without attributing it in part to human-caused global warming, various experts on the region said today. The findings are consistent with recent computer simulations showing that a buildup of smokestack and tailpipe emissions of greenhouse gases could lead to a profoundly transformed Arctic later this century in which much of the once ice-locked ocean is routinely open water in summers. It also appears that the change is becoming self sustaining, with the increased open water absorbing solar energy that would be reflected back into space by bright white ice, said Ted A. Scambos, a scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo., which compiled the data along with NASA. "Feedbacks in the system are starting to take hold," Dr. Scambos said. "The consecutive record-low extents make it pretty certain a long-term decline is underway." The North Pole ice cap always grows in winter and shrinks in the summer, but the new summer low, measured on Sept. 19th, was 20 percent below the average minimum ice extent measured from 2000 back to 1978, when precise satellite mapping of the ice began, the snow and ice center reported. The difference between the average ice area and the area that persisted this summer was about 500,000 square miles, or twice the size of Texas, the scientists said. This summer was the fourth in a row with ice extents sharply below the long-term average, said Mark Serreze, a senior scientist at the snow and ice center and a professor at the University of Colorado in Boulder. A natural cycle in the polar atmosphere, the Arctic Oscillation, that contributed to the reduction in Arctic ice in the past was not a significant factor right now, he said, adding that rising temperatures driven by accumulating greenhouse-gas emissions had to be playing a role. He and other scientists said that there could be more variability ahead, including some years in which the sea ice will grow. But they have found few hints that other factors, like more Arctic cloudiness in a warming world, might reverse the trend. "With all that dark open water, you start to see an increase in Arctic Ocean heat storage," Dr. Serreze said. "Come autumn and winter that makes it a lot harder to grow ice, and the next spring you're left with less and thinner ice. And it's easier to lose even more the next year." The result, he said, is that the Arctic is "becoming a profoundly different place than we grew up thinking about." Other experts on Arctic ice and climate disagreed on details. For example, Ignatius G. Rigor at the University of Washington said that the change was likely due to a mix of factors, including residual influences from the atmospheric cycle. But he agreed with Dr. Serreze that the influence from greenhouse gases had to be involved. "The global warming idea has to be a good part of the story," Dr. Rigor said. "I think we have a different climate state in the Arctic now." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > So I'm sitting there not appreciating the Now, > > > and I say to myself, "I'd rather be appreciating > > > the Now." > > > > > > My point is that you've gotten yourself into > > > yet another infinite regress when you "prescribe" > > > appreciating the Now. > > > > Some Suggestions on How to Appreciate the Now: > > > > 1) Pay attention to whatever is in front of us. How are we feeling? > > If we feel good, the exercise is done. If not, try step 2. > > "It would be better if I felt good." > > > 2) If we don't feel completely satisfied, and we wish to clarify > > our thinking patterns, > > "It would be better if I clarified my thinking > patterns so I could be completely satisfied." > > > > 3) If we don't feel completely satisfied, and we wish to clarify > > our emotional-physiological patterns, > > "It would be better if I clarified my > emotional-physiological patterns so I could be > completely satisified." > > If I work *really really hard* on this, someday > in the future I may come to be able to appreciate > the Now. And when this happens, in this dreamed-of future, wave to the pigs as they fly by... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria > > > > > for CC? > > > > > > > > That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); > > > > "witnessing" can apply to temporary experiences > > > > (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). > > > > > > > > It's a "symbol," but for a very specific > > > > experience. I don't see that your four- > > > > letter job is any better, as long as we > > > > know what the definition of "CC" is. > > > > > > > > That's all I'm saying. I agree with you > > > > that a lot of the other terms are problematic. > > > > > > Good. > > > > > > But what is your definition of CC? (but define it in a non- > seeking > > > way :) ) > > > > In my understanding of how MMY uses the term, CC > > is permanent, 24-hour-a-day foreground PC. > > > > > Can you now get universal consensus on this list for that > > > definition? > > > > If I'm representing MMY's definition correctly, > > I ought to be able to, at least from those who > > recall MMY's teaching. Corrections to my > > understanding of how MMY uses the term are > > welcome. > > > > I'm only suggesting it because it's a term we're > > all familiar with, and it's not a complicated > > definition. > > Downright simplistic, in fact. :-) Suitable for beginners, true. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying > > was an > > > obstacle > > > > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). > > > > > > Where exactly did it say that? > > > > The Yoga Sutras say (somewhere) that powers are an "obstacle" > > to Samadhi. I heard that MMY comment that the translation was > > simply bad. Since the experience of Samadhi is the very basis of > > the siddhis, how can they be an obstacle to Samadhi? > > In one sense, it's true, if you think about > the specific instructions for practice. > > Or to put it another way, samadhi is the *basis* > of the TM-Sidhis, but it isn't the *goal* of the > TM-Sidhis. > > As Lawson said in another post, that sutra may > be understood as a technical point about how > the siddhis sutras are to be performed (reflected > quite precisely in MMY's instructions) rather than > a warning not to use them. Yeah. I'm really good at saying things like that... (I did?). Actually, I think I said something like "this is a description, not a warning," but yours is fine too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria > > > > > for CC? > > > > > > > > That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); > > > > "witnessing" can apply to temporary experiences > > > > (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). > > > > > > > > It's a "symbol," but for a very specific > > > > experience. I don't see that your four- > > > > letter job is any better, as long as we > > > > know what the definition of "CC" is. > > > > > > > > That's all I'm saying. I agree with you > > > > that a lot of the other terms are problematic. > > > > > > Good. > > > > > > But what is your definition of CC? (but define it in a non- > seeking > > > way :) ) > > > > In my understanding of how MMY uses the term, CC > > is permanent, 24-hour-a-day foreground PC. > > > > > Can you now get universal consensus on this list for that > > > definition? > > > > If I'm representing MMY's definition correctly, > > I ought to be able to, at least from those who > > recall MMY's teaching. Corrections to my > > understanding of how MMY uses the term are > > welcome. > > > > I'm only suggesting it because it's a term we're > > all familiar with, and it's not a complicated > > definition. > > Downright simplistic, in fact. :-) Not a bit. You're a little confused. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying > was an > > obstacle > > > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). > > > > Where exactly did it say that? > > The Yoga Sutras say (somewhere) that powers are an "obstacle" > to Samadhi. I heard that MMY comment that the translation was > simply bad. Since the experience of Samadhi is the very basis of > the siddhis, how can they be an obstacle to Samadhi? "In the inner stroke they are an obstacle [a challenge to be overcome to strengthen -- MMY's interpretation] samadhi. In the outer stroke they are siddhis [superpowers/perfections in the relative -- ditto]." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria > > > > for CC? > > > > > > That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); > > > "witnessing" can apply to temporary experiences > > > (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). > > > > > > It's a "symbol," but for a very specific > > > experience. I don't see that your four- > > > letter job is any better, as long as we > > > know what the definition of "CC" is. > > > > > > That's all I'm saying. I agree with you > > > that a lot of the other terms are problematic. > > > > Good. > > > > But what is your definition of CC? (but define it in a non- seeking > > way :) ) > > In my understanding of how MMY uses the term, CC > is permanent, 24-hour-a-day foreground PC. > > > Can you now get universal consensus on this list for that > > definition? > > If I'm representing MMY's definition correctly, > I ought to be able to, at least from those who > recall MMY's teaching. Corrections to my > understanding of how MMY uses the term are > welcome. > > I'm only suggesting it because it's a term we're > all familiar with, and it's not a complicated > definition. Downright simplistic, in fact. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria > > > > for CC? > > > > > > That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); > > > "witnessing" can apply to temporary experiences > > > (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). > > > > There's still a distinction that can be made between long-term > > witnessing and "full-blown CC," or so I think. > > I believe that's the distinction I just got done > making, Lawson. > You said "24-hour permanent witnessing." I missed the "permanent" in there. Some research is on people with several years of 24/7 witnessing, but that may not be permanent... > > > > > It's a "symbol," but for a very specific > > > experience. I don't see that your four- > > > letter job is any better, as long as we > > > know what the definition of "CC" is. > > > > > > That's all I'm saying. I agree with you > > > that a lot of the other terms are problematic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Judy: > > > > > > And what on > > > > > > > earth leads you to think that it's something > > > > > > > "you" *make*? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rory: > > > > > > If not "you", then who? > > > > > > > > > > Emphasis on "make," Rory. Try again. > > > > > > > > I am intentionally putting the emphasis on "you" rather than on > > > > *make*, as angle lies somewhere in between or inclusive of both > > > > *make* and *allow* :-) > > > > > > What on earth leads you to think that it has anything > > > to do with "make"? > > > > > > > > > > > When (if ever) do you plan to make or allow it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy: > > > > > > > I plan to let it happen whenever it's > > > > > > > ready to happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rory: > > > > > > How will you know when it is ready to happen? > > > > > > > > > > I won't know until it happens. > > > > > > > > How are you going to let it happen if you won't know until it > > > > happens? > > > > > > Huh? Why do I have to know in advance? > > > > > > > Who do you think is going to do this for you? Time? > > > > > > Transcending regularly, then acting. > > > > Except that, with TM, there's no guarantee of EVER transcending > > until you're enlightened. So at least within the TM context, the > > process isn't quite what you said. > > Transcending = practicing TM, i.e., experiencing > subtler levels of thought and getting deep rest. > > What there's no guarantee of until you're > enlightened is experiencing transcendental > consciousness by itself. The ole Big-T vs little-t transcending thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/28/05 3:00 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >>> Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria > >>> for CC? > >> > >> That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); > >> "witnessing" can apply to temporary experiences > >> (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). > > > > There's still a distinction that can be made between long-term > > witnessing and "full-blown CC," or so I think. > > I didn't want to be the one to say it, but that is correct IMO. Witnessing > is a just symptom of the coming dawn. Well, MMY has said that there are people in the TMO with "quite mature" CC which implies that they are (at that point) not "fully" in CC. The long-term witnessing studies that MUM has published are of people reporting a few months to a few years continuous 24/7 witnessing, BTW. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying > was an > > obstacle > > > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). > > > > Where exactly did it say that? > > The Yoga Sutras say (somewhere) that powers are an "obstacle" > to Samadhi. I heard that MMY comment that the translation was > simply bad. Since the experience of Samadhi is the very basis of > the siddhis, how can they be an obstacle to Samadhi? In one sense, it's true, if you think about the specific instructions for practice. Or to put it another way, samadhi is the *basis* of the TM-Sidhis, but it isn't the *goal* of the TM-Sidhis. As Lawson said in another post, that sutra may be understood as a technical point about how the siddhis sutras are to be performed (reflected quite precisely in MMY's instructions) rather than a warning not to use them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Packed crowd hears David Lynch Filmmaker shares zeal for transcendental medi
Subject: David Lynch on college tour Award-winning film director David Lynch is currently touring college campuses to discuss Consciousness, Creativity and the Brain. Packed audiences have already enthusiastically welcomed the tour at University of Michigan and American University. For a list of upcoming appearances, go to www.davidlynchtour.org The west coast tour will be announced soon. David Lynch has established the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace to bring Transcendental Meditation to students all around the country. Two podcasts/audios are available at www.mum.edu/podcast Also appearing on the tour are John Hagelin, Ph.D., quantum physicist featured in "What the bleep do we know?" and Fred Travis, Ph.D., Director of the Center for Brain, Consciousness and Cognition at Maharishi University of Management. Dr. Travis will present a live demonstration of EEG research on a student practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique. For more information on brain wave patterns during the TM technique, go to www.mum.edu/cbcc/patterns.html ®Maharishi University of Management is a registered or common law trademark licensed to Maharishi Vedic Development Corporation and is used under sublicense or with permission. Click here to subscribe or unsubscribe.Click here to forward this email to a friend. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying
> was an
> > obstacle
> > > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita).
> >
> > Where exactly did it say that?
>
> The Yoga Sutras say (somewhere) that powers are an "obstacle"
> to Samadhi. I heard that MMY comment that the translation was
> simply bad. Since the experience of Samadhi is the very basis of
> the siddhis, how can they be an obstacle to Samadhi?
***
The Siddhis may be an obstacle to enlightenment for the same reason
that wealth may be an obstacle (really, the word distraction is a
better fit than obstacle) to enlightenment ("it is harder for a rich
man to enter the kingdom of heaven within than for a camel to enter
the eye of a needle," and so on). Rich people have all sorts of
options in the material world to distract them from enjoying the only
real durable bliss, that bliss of consciousness found through sitting
down quietly and diving inside with TM. Similarly, if people could
immediately fly upon doing the sutra, they might spend all their time
traveling throughout the universe, and not spend time in TM.
However, people's nervous systems in the Kaliyuga are so twisted, and
consequently, the atmosphere is so poisoned now that it will not be
permit people to be happy, so TM's yogic flyers (who are only found
hopping after 30 years of practice) only experience a boost in
purification of the nervous system which supports the growth of
enlightenment instead of running the risk of Siddhas going off on some
on some side track for a lark, and missing the best fun of all, living
full awareness.
Bob Brigante
http://geocities.com/bbrigante/spiritual.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
On 9/28/05 4:40 PM, "cardemaister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya
> tradition
>>> says this.
>>
>> Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was an
> obstacle
>> of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita).
>
> Where exactly did it say that?
One place is:
Knowledge of Cosmic Consciousness
5. "The Renunciation of the Knower"
5.1 The Path of the Paramahamsa Yogins
5.1.4. The two terms ("paramahamsa" and "yogin") are used together in order
to exclude someone who is only a yogin and someone who is only a
paramahamsa. Someone who is only a yogin is a person who, because of his
lack of the knowledge of truth, is attached to amazing feats of yogic power,
such as knowing the past, present, and future, yogic flying, etc.,
and has made efforts toward this or that (siddhi) with the various samyama
formulae. Consequently he becomes separated from the highest aim of human
existence, Cosmic Consciousness.
--
jiivanmuktiviveka
5. atha paJcamaM vidvasaMnyaasaprakaraNam
5.1 yoginaaM parahaMsaanaaM margaH
5.1.4 kevalayoginaM kevalaM paramahaMsaM ca vaarayituM padadvayam uktam
kevalayogii tattvajnaanaabhavena trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu
yogaizvaryacamatkaaravyavahaareSv aasaktaH saMyamaviZeSais tatra
tatrodyuktas, tataH paramapuruSaarthaad bhraSTo bhavati.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
> > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was an > obstacle > > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). > > Where exactly did it say that? The Yoga Sutras say (somewhere) that powers are an "obstacle" to Samadhi. I heard that MMY comment that the translation was simply bad. Since the experience of Samadhi is the very basis of the siddhis, how can they be an obstacle to Samadhi? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > >> On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock > > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> > > Hari Om, > > I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to > > Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity > > consciousness and there was no need for him to prove > > himself.!! > > >>> > > >>> Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. > > >> > > >> What point is that? Can you give an example? > > > > > > The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya > > > tradition says this. > > > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. "This object [the siddhis] is not for him, who is knower of the Self, for he, the knower of the Self, has in view only the Self. He is content by himself and in himself and does not go after these products of ignorance." --Laghu Yogavasistha, as quoted by Vidaranya > > It DID say that yogic flying was > > an obstacle of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). > > Where exactly did it say that? See: http://tinyurl.com/cx4ff Vaj's story seems to have changed a bit since that post, though. But perhaps he's discovered passages that refer explicitly to yogic flying as an obstacle. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > Hari Om, > I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to > >>> Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity > > consciousness > >>> and there was no need for him to prove himself.!! > >>> > >>> > >>> Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. > >> > >> What point is that? Can you give an example? > > > > The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya tradition > > says this. > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was an obstacle > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). Where exactly did it say that? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Renunciation, 4th century-style
New York Times September 28, 2005 Ever Since A.D. 270, the Need to Get Away From It All By MICHAEL SLACKMAN ZAFARANA, Egypt - Men have retreated to the desert for centuries in search of God, drawn by the quiet and the isolation, by a feeling of divine presence in the barren landscape. The Rev. Maximous Elantony was one of those men drawn to the desert in search of a relationship with God. But he could hardly believe it when he recently helped to discover some of the earliest physical evidence of Christians who made that quest as well. Follow Father Maximous inside the 15th-century Apostle Church in the desert near the Red Sea and see history in the torn-up floor. Frozen in time, hidden for hundreds of years beneath one church, and then another, are what Egyptian antiquity officials say are the oldest monastic cells ever discovered, dating to the fourth century. They are so well preserved it is as if someone just lifted off the roof. "When you live in a quiet place, like a cell, and you are not busy with anything but God, you start to hear yourself and to see yourself," Father Maximous said during a recent tour of the unearthed cells. "We only want to be busy with God, to hear God, to see God." Father Maximous is a Coptic monk who for 27 years has made his home inside the walls of St. Anthony's Monastery, a fortress of Christianity 100 miles southeast of Cairo that is generally considered the birthplace of Christian monastic life. During the third century, there were Christians who sought piety through abstention and self-denial. But St. Anthony is credited with taking those practices a step further when he went to live in a cave in the mountains of the desert, not far from the monastery that bears his name, around the year 270. The monastery is breathtaking, two tall towers rising up from the sand, each topped with the Coptic cross, dotted with churches and cells for 110 monks. But it is the green that is so striking, the green that historians say drew Anthony, the green palm trees that signal the presence of water. It is easy to feel a divine spirit where water emerges from the desert floor. And so the men who sought to live like St. Anthony built cells in the ravines of a craggy, bare mountain with all they needed to survive, and with quiet. They made their cells of bricks and plaster, durable but lost over the years, buried beneath Apostle Church. Father Maximous is deeply interested in the past and is busy working with crews that have dug and scratched away at layers in every corner of the monastery. He said he knew that his predecessors used to build basins into the floor of their churches for what he called a "water mass." So he began looking. Working with contractors, and with the help of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, he found one basin, and then, mysteriously, a second. The second was a bit deeper down than the first, and in the wrong position to have been part of Apostle Church. "The direction of this one could not be for this church," he said, pointing at the second basin. So they kept digging, pulling away flooring and stone until they uncovered the foundation of an 8th-century church beneath the floor of the 15th-century church. So they kept digging, and beneath that found a stone with a Coptic inscription: "Forgive me Savior. Forgive me Lord," is roughly what it said. Father Maximous tried to take the stone out of the ground, but it would not budge. So they kept digging. "This was a complete surprise," Father Maximous said pointing at the monastic cells. In the corner of one is a brick stove that was used for cooking. Another was used for prayer. The cells told a story of monks who lived together, with several people in one cell. There was also a basin that was used to soak palm fronds, which they used for weaving things like mats and baskets. Exploring the past tends to inspire reflection on the present, and as Father Maximous spoke about the cells he helped find, he commented on how much life has changed for Coptic monks in Egypt. The struggle back then was to avoid being killed by Bedouins roaming the desert. Today it is to hold onto the solitude that drew the monks here in the first place. "To be a monk is to let yourself free of everything, to connect yourself only with God," he said, adding that today's monks are nevertheless a different breed. He said the younger monks wanted access to e-mail, and he himself carries a fancy cellphone. They want suitable toilets, too. "Those are for modern monks," he said, a bit condescendingly as he pointed to newer housing on the monastery grounds. But they also get tourists and pilgrims, busloads in the summer, who traipse through the monastery, taking pictures, making noise. The monastery, once sealed shut with no gate at all, is now open for tours daily, and monks are the tour guides. For a time, tourists were allowed to spend the night, but that was a bit much
[FairfieldLife] M's Criteria
Using Uncs term, or what I can remember of it, uncletenspaltz, or whatever, as I have come to understand, it includes all who are progressing spiritually, from the humblest initiate to a full Buddha who has achieved the Rainbow body. A nice group. Everyone is uncletenspaltzen. M's criteria for such, as i remember, as he strolled into lecture halls, slowly taking flowers, twinklng at all, was "Enjoying?". If yes, (and who ever said "no"!), you were clearly uncletenspaltzen. If he really wanted to get technical, M would say, "Its good, hmmm?" It works for me. Clearly defined and concise. May everyone always be uncletenspaltzen. Enjoying? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria > > > for CC? > > > > That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); > > "witnessing" can apply to temporary experiences > > (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). > > There's still a distinction that can be made between long-term > witnessing and "full-blown CC," or so I think. I believe that's the distinction I just got done making, Lawson. > > It's a "symbol," but for a very specific > > experience. I don't see that your four- > > letter job is any better, as long as we > > know what the definition of "CC" is. > > > > That's all I'm saying. I agree with you > > that a lot of the other terms are problematic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Judy: > > > > > And what on > > > > > > earth leads you to think that it's something > > > > > > "you" *make*? > > > > > > > > > > Rory: > > > > > If not "you", then who? > > > > > > > > Emphasis on "make," Rory. Try again. > > > > > > I am intentionally putting the emphasis on "you" rather than on > > > *make*, as angle lies somewhere in between or inclusive of both > > > *make* and *allow* :-) > > > > What on earth leads you to think that it has anything > > to do with "make"? > > > > > > > > > When (if ever) do you plan to make or allow it? > > > > > > > > > > Judy: > > > > > > I plan to let it happen whenever it's > > > > > > ready to happen. > > > > > > > > > > Rory: > > > > > How will you know when it is ready to happen? > > > > > > > > I won't know until it happens. > > > > > > How are you going to let it happen if you won't know until it > > > happens? > > > > Huh? Why do I have to know in advance? > > > > > Who do you think is going to do this for you? Time? > > > > Transcending regularly, then acting. > > Except that, with TM, there's no guarantee of EVER transcending > until you're enlightened. So at least within the TM context, the > process isn't quite what you said. Transcending = practicing TM, i.e., experiencing subtler levels of thought and getting deep rest. What there's no guarantee of until you're enlightened is experiencing transcendental consciousness by itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the > > > > longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. > > > > And certainly MMY teaches that it's a gradual process, > > > > so I'm not sure why any TMer would hold that belief. > > > > > > MMY teaches that it is GENERALLY a gradual process, IIRC. > > > > Right. So why would any TMer hold the belief that it > > was (generally or always) *not* a gradual process? > > SOmeone quoted someone who said its always gradual until its > abrupt. That seems inline with what MMY has described, actually. > The transition can take a long time or a short time, but > the "final" part of the transition is a definite mode-switch. OK. What I was responding to was the assertion that there were many people here saying that the pattern *generally* was that one meditated for many years with no discernible change--as opposed to gradual change-- and then suddenly become enlightened. That's what I was questioning. that isn't what MMY teaches. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attributes of E
Hari Om, A person reaches a stage where he knows everything that is needed to be known Intellectually, but had not yet reached Enlightenment. Perhaps such a stage can be called inlightened. Is it possible that TMO itself is run by inlightened individuals rather than Enlightened individuals.?? Jason OriginalMessage- From: "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:24:51 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Attributes of E Akasha: >>For example, is the experience of "no I" both a >>necessary and sufficent criteria. Is constant foreground >>PC a sufficnet criteria for CC? Is absence of anger (per >>many scriptural references) a necessary criteria? Peter:> Of course I am from the no "I" school (now if that isn't a >paradoxical statement). Any trace of "I" would indicate an >"observing" ego and be indicative of avidya, not >realization. Realization is not an experience. It is not within >the domain of either subjective or objective experience. It >is not of the mind. Ego can have no relationship with >consciousness. > Ego is created as pure consciousness collapses/projects >and identifies with a time and space bound experience. >The discussion becomes confusing because in avidya >there is a confound between consciousness and ego: >people think that ego is consciousness. It's not. Okay, I'm >done for now! Such discussions are of interest. Not for the sake of E or coming to some consensus of views, and not to better seek E. Its interesting to me to understand what people mean when they introduce and use the E term, or talk authoritatively about it. Knowing the profusion of meanings and POVs about E, asking about their views can be a facinating tour on how peoples minds work, how theirinterpretative frameworks function, etc. And such discussions can stimulate thinking on peripheral insights not so connected to the E topic -- or on specific experiences. As a preface, some assume, incorretly, that when I ask such quesions about E, that I am "seeking E". And based on this presumptions, they focus the discussion on all sorts of unsolicited and off target advice on what I am doing wrong in seeking E. So this preamble is apre-emptive attempt to help keep the conversation more focussed. So, Peter, this is all in fun. Not that I am taking your views lightly, but its not a challenge to your views or an attempt to discredit them. Rather to understand them and compare and contrast them with other views. To generate common understanding, and clearer terminology. And to spark insights -- which may not be related to the topic but more a result of the exercise itself. - To start, please forgive the awkwardness of words, and if possible, lets try to focus on probably intended meanings, not inevitable constraints of english syntax to express this topic. Unless it clarifies or illustrates a good point. To clarify, is your view then that "no-I" is both necessary and sufficient for E? You make the case that it is necessary. So the issue is, is it sufficinet? If so, how do you view PC awareness (PCA)? If "no-I" is sufficent, then logically, PC awareness is not necessary. Or do you hold that the experience (hold the issues about this word until the below point on this topic) or state of "no-I" is the other side of the same coin as PC awareness? That is, do you view PC awareness as a necessary compliment or outcome of "no-I"? Or is it sequential. First "no-I" then PCA? For example SSRS says something to the effect of "empty the glass first, then let it fill with the light of (the divine, PC ...)" Or perhaps do you view PCA as a precursor / cleanser necessary for "no-I" but is not E, by itself. That is, it is not a sufficient criteria for E. " Any trace of "I" would indicate an "observing" ego and be indicative of avidya, not realization. " While your point is understood, I assume you recognize a still remaining social self that interacts with others. Is that so? Some hold the social self is just another entity out there, sort of parallel to other people. Do you share that view? Or have other views? "Realization is not an experience." Semantics and english syntax can be a communications hurddle. Some use the term "experience" to contrast it with "intellectual understanding". Still, experience can imply a subject and object, which is outside the domzin of E as most refer to it. Is that your issue with the term "esperience"? Do you make the same distinction that "experience" attempts to, in distinguishing E from a solely intellectual understanding? In your view, is "state" a better category, while still imperfect, to use for E? "It is not within the domain
[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/26/05 6:00:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Er,hadn't the treaty already been signed? > > > > I don't think so, at least the senate had overwhelmingly refused to ratify > it. Traditionally, the Pres can sign a treaty, but Congress can overturn it if they like. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Will Provide One Million U.S. Dollars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Judy: > > > > And what on > > > > > earth leads you to think that it's something > > > > > "you" *make*? > > > > > > > > Rory: > > > > If not "you", then who? > > > > > > Emphasis on "make," Rory. Try again. > > > > I am intentionally putting the emphasis on "you" rather than on > > *make*, as angle lies somewhere in between or inclusive of both > > *make* and *allow* :-) > > What on earth leads you to think that it has anything > to do with "make"? > > > > > > > When (if ever) do you plan to make or allow it? > > > > > > > > Judy: > > > > > I plan to let it happen whenever it's > > > > > ready to happen. > > > > > > > > Rory: > > > > How will you know when it is ready to happen? > > > > > > I won't know until it happens. > > > > How are you going to let it happen if you won't know until it > > happens? > > Huh? Why do I have to know in advance? > > > Who do you think is going to do this for you? Time? > > Transcending regularly, then acting. Except that, with TM, there's no guarantee of EVER transcending until you're enlightened. So at least within the TM context, the process isn't quite what you said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > Hari Om, > I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to > >>> Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity > > consciousness > >>> and there was no need for him to prove himself.!! > >>> > >>> > >>> Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. > >> > >> What point is that? Can you give an example? > > > > The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya tradition > > says this. > > Hmmm. Must've missed that part. In the part of the discussion about someone who has attained enlightenment wouldn't find the sidhis attractive anyway... It DID say that yogic flying was an obstacle > of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). The Yoga Sutras themselves say that they're an obstacle. Of course, what is an obstacle? That's the point MMY makes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
On 9/28/05 3:00 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >>> Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria >>> for CC? >> >> That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); >> "witnessing" can apply to temporary experiences >> (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). > > There's still a distinction that can be made between long-term > witnessing and "full-blown CC," or so I think. I didn't want to be the one to say it, but that is correct IMO. Witnessing is a just symptom of the coming dawn. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Akasha: > > > > But what is your definition of CC? (but define it in a non- > seeking > > > > way :) ) > > > > Judy: > > > In my understanding of how MMY uses the term, CC > > > is permanent, 24-hour-a-day foreground PC. > > Er, Akasha, I'm proposing a term to describe a > particular type of experience, i.e., permanent, > 24-hour-a-day foreground PC, period. Thats fine. Originally, the seeking of a definition was in order to try gain consensus view. Already your definitions has nothing to do -- on the word level with Peter's. Thus the consensus thing is not working out so well. The thing is, people have either abondoned MMY's definition, or taken a set of attributes from him, but not all, or emphasized different atrributes. I am just stating my experience, that explicitly address most of these questions, provides a framework, that just might, probably not, begin to address every ones individual definitions and may be a starting point for building a concensus def. But I can tell that not an area of great interst to you. No foul, no penalty. As I said: > > yes. I understand. I have had the same thought (use mmy's def of cc]. Until i tried to > apply it and met some of the above issues. I don't know how I can make that any clearer. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria > > for CC? > > That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); > "witnessing" can apply to temporary experiences > (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). There's still a distinction that can be made between long-term witnessing and "full-blown CC," or so I think. > > It's a "symbol," but for a very specific > experience. I don't see that your four- > letter job is any better, as long as we > know what the definition of "CC" is. > > That's all I'm saying. I agree with you > that a lot of the other terms are problematic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
On 9/28/05 2:51 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hari Om, I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to >>> Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity > consciousness >>> and there was no need for him to prove himself.!! >>> >>> >>> Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. >> >> What point is that? Can you give an example? > > The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya tradition > says this. Hmmm. Must've missed that part. It DID say that yogic flying was an obstacle of Cosmic Consciousness (Skt.: turiyatita). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Akasha: > > > > > > > Does it strike anyone else as funny, even absurd, that the > > > whole > > > > > > > paradigm about enlightenment on this list is dichotomous, > > > > digital, either "on or off"? > > > > > > > > > > Unc: > > > > > > YES! That's exactly the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > I realized that some time back, during the discussions > > > > > > about 'appreciation.' Some comment by, I think, Tom > > > > > > made me completely abandon my old paradigm and come up > > > > > > with a new one that more accurately described my > > > > > > subjective experience. > > > > > > > > > > A: > > > > > > > Pure consciousness begins from the first mediation. If not > > > before. > > > > > > > > > > U: > > > > > > Before. There has never been a moment in my life when > > > > > > I was not enlightened. > > > > > > > > > If you were jivna-mukti at birth, you had not need to incarnate. > > > > > > > > A serious point per my prior post. People can dilute, devalue, > > > > reclassify, and redefine E criteria all they want. But if they > > come > > > > back, they were wrong. > > > > > > > > > > So much for bodhisatvas? > > > > > > > I have long suggested that we run some tests on the self- > > proclaimed > > > > Es. Push'em off a cliff. And if they don't come back, we will > > > > celebrate their saintliness. > > > > > > MMY once commented, or so I am told, that the sidhis would be an > > eye- > > > opener to many who felt they were fully enlightened. > > > > Pun not intended... > > How do you know he was/is right? Well, maybe he said it originally the way I quoted and DID intend the pun... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi refuses to Levitate.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/28/05 4:05 AM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Hari Om, > >> I heard that, in an interview, Maharishi refused to > > Levitate. He reasoned that he had already achieved Unity consciousness > > and there was no need for him to prove himself.!! > > > > > > Many commentaries on the Yoga sutras make this point. > > What point is that? Can you give an example? The text that you keep referring to from the Shankaracharya tradition says this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [...] > > > I ask because I've said in a number of posts that the > > > longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. > > > And certainly MMY teaches that it's a gradual process, > > > so I'm not sure why any TMer would hold that belief. > > > > MMY teaches that it is GENERALLY a gradual process, IIRC. > > Right. So why would any TMer hold the belief that it > was (generally or always) *not* a gradual process? SOmeone quoted someone who said its always gradual until its abrupt. That seems inline with what MMY has described, actually. The transition can take a long time or a short time, but the "final" part of the transition is a definite mode-switch. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > I'll order some pizza from cave service and think > > > about it over lunch. :-) > > > > Dude, if you are living in Paris and you order up take-out pizza -- > > you are not only way UnAwake, you are a gastronomic baffoon. :) > > Yesterday the seminar I was attending was at the Ritz. > Had I ordered pizza from their room service, you can > rest assured that it would have been better than > anything you could find at *any* restaurant in the > US other than about a dozen of them. :-) Bah. There's plenty of hole-in-the-wall pizza places with good pizza. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tulsa newpaper- 3 part series
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A section of this series documents the TMO's history of purchasing > properties with some grand golden expressed purpose (meditation > centers, ayurvedic health spas, etc.), but then in every case not > taking any steps to implement the plan, but instead letting the > property deteriorate (to the consternation of the community) while the > TMO tries to sell it for some exorbitant price. > Except that's not always the case. And in the case of the Camelot, it looks like it was already run-down, and there are still attempts to make it a Peace Palace. While the Movement has often made a good profit on real estate deals, its not the case that every (or even any) of the purchases were made solely with that in mind. Take the old TM Capital in Phoenix, which was originally a hospice run by the LIttle Sisters of (something or other) which eventually went backrupt. The TMO bought it for a song and started some decent rennovation projects on it, employing locals in the process, who were VERY happy to have the work. Then Summer happened, and whoever was in charge had never used AC for a giant building before. Rather than sealing off the 99% unused portion (this was a HUGE building --about or more than the square- footage of the entire MUM campus minus the domes) and using room ACs, they started up the main building AC. In one month, they racked up a bill of about $20,000, just for the AC and blew the entire year's budget. I believe they manged to sell it, but its doubtful they made much profit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Akasha: > > > But what is your definition of CC? (but define it in a non- seeking > > > way :) ) > > Judy: > > In my understanding of how MMY uses the term, CC > > is permanent, 24-hour-a-day foreground PC. Er, Akasha, I'm proposing a term to describe a particular type of experience, i.e., permanent, 24-hour-a-day foreground PC, period. I don't know how to make that any clearer. I don't understand where all these other questions are coming from. > > Is there "no-I"? > > Is one in CC, at home with all knowledge? > > In CC, is one spontaneously in accord with all the laws of nature? > > Does anger manifest in that state? > > From it, does spontaneous abilities manifest? > > Are ritam experiences necessarily clear in CC? > > Does celibacy naturally "happen" in CC? > > What is the experience of witness sleep? Of dreaming? > > Is it "a turn on the switch in a dark room" experience where its clear > that its impossible for anyone not in full established CC to have any > inkling as to what CC is about? > > What happens when a person in CC meditates? > > Does a person in cc aura's change? Their breath? Their need for sleep? > > > > > > > Can you now get universal consensus on this list for that > > > definition? > > > > If I'm representing MMY's definition correctly, > > I ought to be able to, at least from those who > > recall MMY's teaching. Corrections to my > > understanding of how MMY uses the term are > > welcome. > > Well, I hold the issue is not just remembering the teaching. The issue > is taking the claims of those proclaiming the state and categorizing > all of their claimed or unclaimed attributes within the CC framework > as "necessary and /or sufficient or bogus/not relevant." And coming up > with a consistent framework. > > If one wanted to do so. I am not saying its necessary or even useful. > Just interesting. > > > I'm only suggesting it because it's a term we're > > all familiar with, and it's not a complicated > > definition. > > yes. I understand. I have had the same thought. Until i tried to apply > it and met some of the above issues. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > So I'm sitting there not appreciating the Now, > > and I say to myself, "I'd rather be appreciating > > the Now." > > > > My point is that you've gotten yourself into > > yet another infinite regress when you "prescribe" > > appreciating the Now. > > Some Suggestions on How to Appreciate the Now: > > 1) Pay attention to whatever is in front of us. How are we feeling? > If we feel good, the exercise is done. If not, try step 2. "It would be better if I felt good." > 2) If we don't feel completely satisfied, and we wish to clarify > our thinking patterns, "It would be better if I clarified my thinking patterns so I could be completely satisfied." > 3) If we don't feel completely satisfied, and we wish to clarify > our emotional-physiological patterns, "It would be better if I clarified my emotional-physiological patterns so I could be completely satisified." If I work *really really hard* on this, someday in the future I may come to be able to appreciate the Now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
Akasha: > > But what is your definition of CC? (but define it in a non-seeking > > way :) ) Judy: > In my understanding of how MMY uses the term, CC > is permanent, 24-hour-a-day foreground PC. Is there "no-I"? Is one in CC, at home with all knowledge? In CC, is one spontaneously in accord with all the laws of nature? Does anger manifest in that state? >From it, does spontaneous abilities manifest? Are ritam experiences necessarily clear in CC? Does celibacy naturally "happen" in CC? What is the experience of witness sleep? Of dreaming? Is it "a turn on the switch in a dark room" experience where its clear that its impossible for anyone not in full established CC to have any inkling as to what CC is about? What happens when a person in CC meditates? Does a person in cc aura's change? Their breath? Their need for sleep? > > Can you now get universal consensus on this list for that > > definition? > > If I'm representing MMY's definition correctly, > I ought to be able to, at least from those who > recall MMY's teaching. Corrections to my > understanding of how MMY uses the term are > welcome. Well, I hold the issue is not just remembering the teaching. The issue is taking the claims of those proclaiming the state and categorizing all of their claimed or unclaimed attributes within the CC framework as "necessary and /or sufficient or bogus/not relevant." And coming up with a consistent framework. If one wanted to do so. I am not saying its necessary or even useful. Just interesting. > I'm only suggesting it because it's a term we're > all familiar with, and it's not a complicated > definition. yes. I understand. I have had the same thought. Until i tried to apply it and met some of the above issues. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So I'm sitting there not appreciating the Now, > and I say to myself, "I'd rather be appreciating > the Now." > > My point is that you've gotten yourself into > yet another infinite regress when you "prescribe" > appreciating the Now. Some Suggestions on How to Appreciate the Now: 1) Pay attention to whatever is in front of us. How are we feeling? If we feel good, the exercise is done. If not, try step 2. 2) If we don't feel completely satisfied, and we wish to clarify our thinking patterns, we can do a little inquiry into the nature of the thought that is causing the pain. Practice the Byron Katie work. And/or, if preferred, see step 3. 3) If we don't feel completely satisfied, and we wish to clarify our emotional-physiological patterns, we can do a little rebirthing/pranayamic inquiry into the visceral discomfort itself: What are we feeling, and where in the body is that feeling in this moment? Pay attention to the feeling in the body. Breathe into it; relax into it; allow ourselves to integrate it, allowing it to breathe and to feel. Contrary to what we may have been taught, this feeling too is OK; it is an aspect of Wholeness. We remind ourself (if necessary) that "It is easy and safe for me to allow this feeling now." We continue attending to it and allowing it to breathe until we have integrated it fully. If we have problems doing this on our own, see step 4. 4) Get some help -- many times, it is easier to move through this material if we are accompanied by a guide. If we don't wish to engage a guide, see step 5. 5) You're on your own here -- I have run out of ideas :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Attributes of E
Akasha: > > > > For example, is the experience of "no I" both a > > necessary and > > sufficent criteria. Is constant foreground PC a > > sufficnet criteria for > > CC? Is absence of anger (per many scriptural > > references) a necessary > > criteria? Peter: > Of course I am from the no "I" school (now if that > isn't a paradoxical statement). Any trace of "I" would > indicate an "observing" ego and be indicative of > avidya, not realization. Realization is not an > experience. It is not within the domain of either > subjective or objective experience. It is not of the > mind. Ego can have no relationship with consciousness. > > Ego is created as pure consciousness > collapses/projects and identifies with a time and > space bound experience. The discussion becomes > confusing because in avidya there is a confound > between consciousness and ego: people think that ego > is consciousness. It's not. Okay, I'm done for now! Such discussions are of interest. Not for the sake of E or coming to some consensus of views, and not to better seek E. Its interesting to me to understand what people mean when they introduce and use the E term, or talk authoritatively about it. Knowing the profusion of meanings and POVs about E, asking about their views can be a facinating tour on how peoples minds work, how their interpretative frameworks function, etc. And such discussions can stimulate thinking on peripheral insights not so connected to the E topic -- or on specific experiences. As a preface, some assume, incorretly, that when I ask such quesions about E, that I am "seeking E". And based on this presumptions, they focus the discussion on all sorts of unsolicited and off target advice on what I am doing wrong in seeking E. So this preamble is a pre-emptive attempt to help keep the conversation more focussed. So, Peter, this is all in fun. Not that I am taking your views lightly, but its not a challenge to your views or an attempt to discredit them. Rather to understand them and compare and contrast them with other views. To generate common understanding, and clearer terminology. And to spark insights -- which may not be related to the topic but more a result of the exercise itself. - To start, please forgive the awkwardness of words, and if possible, lets try to focus on probably intended meanings, not inevitable constraints of english syntax to express this topic. Unless it clarifies or illustrates a good point. To clarify, is your view then that "no-I" is both necessary and sufficient for E? You make the case that it is necessary. So the issue is, is it sufficinet? If so, how do you view PC awareness (PCA)? If "no-I" is sufficent, then logically, PC awareness is not necessary. Or do you hold that the experience (hold the issues about this word until the below point on this topic) or state of "no-I" is the other side of the same coin as PC awareness? That is, do you view PC awareness as a necessary compliment or outcome of "no-I"? Or is it sequential. First "no-I" then PCA? For example SSRS says something to the effect of "empty the glass first, then let it fill with the light of (the divine, PC ...)" Or perhaps do you view PCA as a precursor / cleanser necessary for "no-I" but is not E, by itself. That is, it is not a sufficient criteria for E. " Any trace of "I" would indicate an "observing" ego and be indicative of avidya, not realization. " While your point is understood, I assume you recognize a still remaining social self that interacts with others. Is that so? Some hold the social self is just another entity out there, sort of parallel to other people. Do you share that view? Or have other views? "Realization is not an experience." Semantics and english syntax can be a communications hurddle. Some use the term "experience" to contrast it with "intellectual understanding". Still, experience can imply a subject and object, which is outside the domzin of E as most refer to it. Is that your issue with the term "esperience"? Do you make the same distinction that "experience" attempts to, in distinguishing E from a solely intellectual understanding? In your view, is "state" a better category, while still imperfect, to use for E? "It is not within the domain of either subjective or objective experience." Some describe it as "pure subjectivity", presumably the "pure" designates a distinction from "manifest subjectivity" expressed by the social self. Is this consistent with your understanding, or do you hold that there is not even any "pure subjectivity" in E? "It is not of the mind. Ego can have no relationship with consciousness." Something can exist, yet have no relationship with "something else". For example, a mountian, or a social self can exist wtih no relationship to Pure Consciousness (PC). Could ego have a similar non-relationship with PC? Or do you hold ego must be annhilated for E? Some hold the experience of PC being in background then switching to fore
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
On 9/28/05 12:49 PM, "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course I am from the no "I" school (now if that > isn't a paradoxical statement). Any trace of "I" would > indicate an "observing" ego and be indicative of > avidya, not realization. Realization is not an > experience. It is not within the domain of either > subjective or objective experience. It is not of the > mind. Ego can have no relationship with consciousness. > > Ego is created as pure consciousness > collapses/projects and identifies with a time and > space bound experience. The discussion becomes > confusing because in avidya there is a confound > between consciousness and ego: people think that ego > is consciousness. It's not. Okay, I'm done for now! Well you can't use mental or yogic cognition to focus on the voidness of all phenomenon as having no real existence--you cannot simultaneously present and maintain attention of superficial truth of any kind, including enlightenment. Even yogic levels of super-subtle mental activity will merely produce appearances which seem to be existent but really are only superficial truth. What is required is clear-light cognition as then one can cognize voidness at the same time producing objects of superficial truth but truly focus on it's non-existent voidness (at the same time). Conceptual cognition will always produces appearances which seem to be truly existing. The same is also true of non-conceptual cognition. It takes a Buddha with omniscience to be able simultaneously sustain clear-light focus on voidness and karmic constructs with both being simultaneously void. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria > > > for CC? > > > > That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); > > "witnessing" can apply to temporary experiences > > (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). > > > > It's a "symbol," but for a very specific > > experience. I don't see that your four- > > letter job is any better, as long as we > > know what the definition of "CC" is. > > > > That's all I'm saying. I agree with you > > that a lot of the other terms are problematic. > > Good. > > But what is your definition of CC? (but define it in a non-seeking > way :) ) In my understanding of how MMY uses the term, CC is permanent, 24-hour-a-day foreground PC. > Can you now get universal consensus on this list for that > definition? If I'm representing MMY's definition correctly, I ought to be able to, at least from those who recall MMY's teaching. Corrections to my understanding of how MMY uses the term are welcome. I'm only suggesting it because it's a term we're all familiar with, and it's not a complicated definition. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I also find that the more often/longer Awareness
> > > > > is "present," the more of a pain it is when it
> > > > > "goes away."
> > > >
> > > > Still laughing uncontrollably. It's all about
> > > > what "you" "want" rather than what is.
> > >
> > > That's the way it is when Awareness is not
> > > "present."
> > >
> > > If you
> > > > only learned to appreciate what already is,
> > > > you'd have what you want.
> > >
> > > That's the way it is when Awareness *is* "present."
> > > Then I have the ability to appreciate what is.
> > >
> > > And that's why it's a pain when Awareness "goes
> > > away" and I no longer have that ability.
> >
> > To expand a bit: You said in another post that it
> > feels "false" to you to "want" a higher state of
> > attention.
>
> Not so much "false" as completely unproductive.
> To do so takes one out of Now and into the realm
> of an imagined future that would be "better" if
> certain conditions were met.
Right. And I find "It would be better if I appreciated
the Now" unproductive and "false." ("False" was the word
you used, BTW.)
As I said (and you snipped), either I'm appreciating
the Now spontaneously (when I'm having foreground PC),
or I'm not (when I'm not having foreground PC).
It's the issue of
> those "I'd rather be ..." bumper stickers I
> mentioned recently. The state of mind of "I'd
> rather be ..." is by definition not appreciating
> the Now, and setting up a set of circumstances
> that would "warrant" appreciation.
So I'm sitting there not appreciating the Now,
and I say to myself, "I'd rather be appreciating
the Now."
My point is that you've gotten yourself into
yet another infinite regress when you "prescribe"
appreciating the Now.
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[FairfieldLife] The Economics of Equality
Ask Aristotle Find an MP By postcode or place: By surname: Or browse the map How to use Aristotle Archive search Advanced search In this sectionBritain launches push for trade reform after last-minute deal on debt relief Why equality was the best policy Big bonuses go to rulers of aid empire Developing world confused by UK aid guidelines A matter of life and debt Larry Elliott: Africa's time has come - and may have gone British tax havens 'help cheat Third World out of billions' British tax havens 'help cheat Third World out of billions' Health aid doesn't reach the poor, says World Bank Letters: Geldof must not remain silent on the G8 trade stalemate Special report: development Why equality was the best policy The international community is still feeling the effects of Europe's colonisation of the New World, reports Heather Stewart Sunday September 25, 2005The Observer When Christopher Columbus stumbled across America in 1492, he opened the way to a centuries-long struggle between the European powers to control and dominate the New World, from the frozen north of Canada to the fertile plains of Argentina. But for the authors of a sweeping new report from the World Bank, the triumphant arrival of Columbus also inaugurated a real-life economic experiment, whose lessons are still relevant today. The authors of the World Development Report use a wealth of examples from across the globe and through the centuries, to prove that in general, fairer economies are more successful. Inequality is not only unfair - it also wastes resources and stifles economic progress. The Spaniards who colonised South America, with its gold and silver deposits and large indigenous population, were able to impose punitive taxes, slave labour, and political institutions that kept power in the hands of a wealthy few. Though enormously lucrative in the short term, this approach squandered resources, fostered political instability and handicapped the region's economies. In North America, meanwhile, where there was a sparse native population that refused to submit to slavery and no lucrative gold reserves to exploit, resources had to be divided more equally in order to keep the European settlers alive and happy. In Virginia, for example, by 1619 the Virginia Company had created 'a relatively egalitarian society, with representative institutions giving even the poorest colonists access to the law and some political representation'. That meant that even the poorest had a stake in the country's success: and it worked, laying the foundations for what would become the world's richest, most successful economy. 'As in Latin America, there was a synergy between economic and political institutions, but this time it was virtuous, not vicious.' Research suggests that 'good' institutions - those that divide resources relatively equally, and guarantee property rights - are more important in explaining the economic success or failure of a country than its geographical position, or whether it is ridden with diseases. 'Most of the gap between rich and poor countries today is due to differences in institutions.' Giving the poor a fair share in the economy is therefore the best recipe for success. Francisco Ferreira, the report's lead author, says this lesson has immediate relevance for today's developing countries. An increase in the gap between rich and poor is sometimes excused as an inevitable by-product of economic development, the price developing countries have to pay to climb out of poverty. But Ferreira says that's simply wrong: leaders who sit and wait for the mythical 'trickle-down effect' to pour wealth through the economy will fail. 'We hope this report will change the perception that people often have that the poor are almost charity cases, and the rest of the country generates growth,' he said. 'You shouldn't see those people as an ocean of unskilled labour. You should see them as a pool of potentially skilled individuals. Think how many brilliant inventors there could be in sub-Saharan Africa or in the slums of Latin America.' 'Some people tend to think of an alternative, between policies to redistribute, and policies to grow, and there's no such thing. There's a whole set of policies that can help growth by redistributing.' A jog through European history since the Middle Ages also supports the argument of Ferreira and his colleagues. In Britain, they argue that the industrial revolution only gave way to sustained long-term growth when mass democracy arrived in the 19th century. That helped to pave the way for more widely available education, and allowed more of Britain's population a share in its economic success. China's extraordinary emergence as an economic powerhouse - GDP per capital has quadrupled over the past 25 years - is also held up as an illustra
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Ginsburg was quite a bit oder when those interviews took place, and > > more confident as a result. He also never got anywhere near the > > kind of attention Dylan did. > > On the other hand, the actor Sir Laurence Olivier > was *never* able to be articulate about how he did > what he did on stage or in front of the cameras. FWIW, I seem to recall that drummer Buddy Rich, whilst he was guest star in Lucy Show, said, commenting on his playing, something like: I don't know what I'm doing, and if I knew what I'm doing, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing. He > didn't even seem to realize there could be anything > to say about it; it appeared to puzzle the hell out > of him that people would ask probing questions about > it. > > The peculiar thing was that he was the most *studied* > of actors. There was very little spontaneity in his > performances, as superb as they could be. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
Akasha: > > Why not then just drop all discussions and concepts of E. Unc: > NOW you're talking! :-) A: Yes. I have been suggeting such for some time. But I appear to violate the rule at times because its interesting to me to understand what people mean when they introduce and use the E term, or proclaim it, or talk authoritatively about it. Knowing the pfofusion of meanings and POVs about E, asking about their views can be a facinating tour on how peoples minds work. Such discussions can stimulate thinking on peripheral insights not so connected to the E topic -- or on specific experiences. The slippery slope is that some assume, incorretly, that I am "seeking E" and give me all sorts of unsolicited and off target advice on what I am doing wrong in seeking E. Then being a retard, I sometimes get sucked into these off-target discussions. Which can be fun, but are usually quite a waste as far as generating new insights. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why not then just drop all discussions and concepts of E. NOW you're talking! :-) Have you ever had the experience (assuming that you've had long, stable periods of 24/7 witnessing, absolutely clear experiences of enlightenment, in which you've gotten to sit down and rap with some- one else who is also having that experience? Is there really anything to be said? In my exper- ience, there is not. You just sit around laughing a lot and talking about more interesting things. That's my kinda discussion... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
A: > > > > I think clear terms can facilitate discussion. > > > > U: > > > But what does the discussion facilitate? > > > > A: Well, it happens. its value -- maybe none. But you suggested > > you have gained great value from recent discussions here. So you > > tell me. U: > Something someone said triggered a train of thought > that resulted in a different way of seeing. That > was fun. The new way of seeing -- the new theory > about enlightenment and my own experiences -- is > more fun for me to entertain ... A: Yes. Thats similar to why I engage in some discussions -- asides from being neurotic and suffering compulsive disorders. :). Not to find Truth, or win consensus. But the process of reading posts can spark an idea or insight, and the process of translating that spark into words can "teach" one many things they did not know. The actual dialogue is sort of secondary and in the background. because it "covers > more bases" than the previous incarnations of the > theory. But it's still a theory, and thus, when > talking about enlightenment -- WRONG. I *assume* > that it is wrong. I entertain such theories merely > for amusement purposes, not to convince myself that > they are correct. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > For example, is the experience of "no I" both a > necessary and > sufficent criteria. Is constant foreground PC a > sufficnet criteria for > CC? Is absence of anger (per many scriptural > references) a necessary > criteria? Of course I am from the no "I" school (now if that isn't a paradoxical statement). Any trace of "I" would indicate an "observing" ego and be indicative of avidya, not realization. Realization is not an experience. It is not within the domain of either subjective or objective experience. It is not of the mind. Ego can have no relationship with consciousness. Ego is created as pure consciousness collapses/projects and identifies with a time and space bound experience. The discussion becomes confusing because in avidya there is a confound between consciousness and ego: people think that ego is consciousness. It's not. Okay, I'm done for now! > yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
Judy: > > To expand a bit: You said in another post that it > > feels "false" to you to "want" a higher state of > > attention. Unc: > Not so much "false" as completely unproductive. > To do so takes one out of Now Akahsa: Then perhaps the "attention" that can maintain PC in foreground is not so strong and flexible yet. It can grow stronger and let one think and do many things without losing the foreground view. I know this is not news. But your experience appears fragile. Don't dispair It can grow stronger. :) U: > The state of mind of "I'd > rather be ..." is by definition not appreciating > the Now, and setting up a set of circumstances > that would "warrant" appreciation. A: But tools and stable states are different. Coming back to the Now is a powerful tool. When Presence is strong in the foreground, the mind is alway present, and be so so even when focusing is on "planning" -- which is just "content" -- no different in essential structure than "present content". The distinction is "does the mind get sucked into "wanting" feeling it needs something more to be satisfied"? Then coming back to the presnt is a powerful tool. When the mind is content and doesn't feel a need for more to be complete, then any content can be maintained along with Presence. Thats my experience. Your NS maybe wired differently. Your implied premise appears, I may be wrong, is that Judy is in that fragile state. Maybe she is maybe she isn't. Offering absolute emphatic advice without know, seems iffy. U: > In my experience, those who talk a lot about how > things would be better in some imagined future > if only suchandsuch would happen wind up never > finding that future, and creating a series of > Nows that are never perceived as fulfilling, > because they're always waiting for suchandsuch. A: And you know there internal states,"for sure"? Or are you speculating thuis is the case? U: > This is *particularly* true for those for whom > suchandsuch = enlightenment, because they cannot > possibly imagine what enlightenment is. A: Why not then just drop all discussions and concepts of E. Then, if suchandsuch is relevant to a discussion, suchandsuch can be discussed. U: > If they could, they would be appreciating its presence > right here, A: "if they could" is often symtematic of projection. It manifests as frequent correcting other peoples lives, when the real issue is, one is uncomfortble with some area in themselves that they are correcting in others. Probably doesn't apply to you. But projection is facinating. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A: Ah, then we seem to be talking the same thing. > > Its odd though, I keep saying "no labels, enjoy the (non)-trip" and > you keep saying "if you drop the labels, then you can enjoy the > continuum." Sounds the same to me. > > But the tone seems argumentative, in a friendly way. Perhaps its a > classic case of presuming (falsely) what the other is thinking. Actually, I'm just having fun. I *only* engage in discussions of enlightenment for fun, because I honestly don't believe that anything more can or should be expected of them. They're just a bunch of hot air moving around, accomplishing nothing. And that's FINE, as long as you know that what you're doing is just moving around hot air, for the express purpose of having fun. If one of the parties believes that something's going to actually be settled or accomplished as a result of moving all that air around, for me it becomes less fun. > Actually, I think its more each of us responding to snippets, > without focusing on the forest -- what is this guys main point, > beyond his snippet response raps. I may be a harder case than that. I don't particularly CARE what the other person's point is in discussions of enlightenment, because I don't think that there are any points TO be made, other than having fun. This implies no disrespect for the person spouting their particular theories, merely a disbelief that the theories have anything whatsoever to do with reality. > > > I think clear terms can facilitate discussion. > > U: > > But what does the discussion facilitate? > > A: Well, it happens. its value -- maybe none. But you suggested > you have gained great value from recent discussions here. So you > tell me. Something someone said triggered a train of thought that resulted in a different way of seeing. That was fun. The new way of seeing -- the new theory about enlightenment and my own experiences -- is more fun for me to entertain, because it "covers more bases" than the previous incarnations of the theory. But it's still a theory, and thus, when talking about enlightenment -- WRONG. I *assume* that it is wrong. I entertain such theories merely for amusement purposes, not to convince myself that they are correct. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
Akasha: > > Terming that as "E", to me, goes beyond reporting. its labeling. > > And since it differs from what many understand that term to be, > > it simply promotes miscommunication. Unc: > Fine. I've already told you that the only reason I > was using the E word was because it was already in > play in the thread. I don't think that way. Call > it enkughtenment if you like. :-) A: I know. Some comments are not directly focused on You (which I am sure weakens the exposition given you are clealy the most interesting thing to talk about : ) ). Some are just points being made, relevant to the topic and thread. But its is a good call. When doing such, its good to clarify "I am making a general point here, and not talking specifically about you..." > > U: > > > No claims, merely reporting. And having fun. > > > > A: Well, fun is good. This discussion is fun and not a challenge. > > And resonable people can view the same things differently. U: > If more people realized that, more discussions would > be more fun. :-) A: Yes. Fun is good. Clarifying is good. Provocative POVs can be good. Insights are good. Letting go is good. Jabbing people is not so good. Responding to jabs is not so good. Diagnosing motives in others is not so good. Unsolicited advice is not so good. Pontification (like I am doing here) is not so good. :) A: > > But labels (above) is different from a "term" which can facilite > > communication. Some don't appear to distinguish between labels and > > terms, which seems unfortunate. > > > > The term E is a rolled up abstraction. A symbol for so me > > experience. When all share the same understanding of the > > symbol, it can facilitate communication. U: > What makes you believe that they all share the > *experience*, and thus can agree on a symbol for it? A: Ah, a many paths, many peaks guy. I am pretty open to that. But I think you are making the same point. For many reasons, not all share the same understanding of the symbol, and perhaps are "describing" a different experience, and thus broad semantic symbols in metaphysical discussions usually do not facilitate communication. A: > > When people make up their own definitions, which is > > fine IMO, but without clearly demarcing how such differs from > > common usage, the symbol loses its value, it becomes counter > > productive. U: > Again, you seem to be assuming that everyone who > realizes enlightenment is experiencing the same > thing. I make no such assumption. A:No, that assumptions is not necessary for the above view. And second, I am not even making that assumption. A:> > So while I agree with Tom, in a later post, that some commonly > > agreed upon terminology is good. U:> Only if you feel that you are of necessity discussing > the exact same experience. A: Well thats sort of the point. Is Foreground PC often present for you? Me too. So we can talk about FPC. Thus FPC is a useful term that facilitates communication. Same convo, different terms. yogi 1: I am enlightened. yogi 2: I am not. and you are an arrogant pompous ass for proclaiming such. 1: You just dont get it dude. 2: Your mother dont get it dude! I get it cuz i am beyond seeking for empty concepts. 1: Thats because you are not special and not enlightened. When you join the club, you will get it 2: F you. 1: no F you!! And your sister is ugly. - I think think the first convo is more useful. You may not. Go figure. > > Which is my whole whole point here. > > Thanks. I had wondered. :-) yes, your mind does seem fuzzy. :) A: > > And, agreeing with Tom, its nice to have a concise term and not a > > 50 word discriptor and 50 word disclaiamer. U: > I've already proposed enkughtenment. It works very > well on the other forum. :-) A: I would not think it would wrok well here in that people would still have many different connoations for the word. Does it mean "no-I"? "CFPC" "Deep and cosntant compassion" Equinamity in all conditions? Allof these? Any of these? Some of these? None of these. > > It just seem that using a > > symbol, particularly ones with heavy baggage and multiple and > > different connotations to many people, is not productive. "E" > > is such, and I find "Awake" hs become such. And as Unc points > > out, if the symbol has an opposite, has most do. Both are counter > > productive, IMO. > > Koan of the day: what is the antonym of enkughtenment? tnemnethgukne. :) > > > Thus I favor just saying what is, instead of relying on unreliable > > intermediary symbols. For example, "constant foreground PC" > > expresses a specific "state", is relatively concise (could be > > shortened to CFPC), and is immediately distinguishable from > > Variable Foreground PC or Oscillating Foreground PC. And is > > clearly distinguishable from Unity Brahman states where All > > is "experienced / understood" as CFPC, "That Brahman is the > > same as THIS Atman". > > Whatever floats
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > I also find that the more often/longer Awareness > > > > is "present," the more of a pain it is when it > > > > "goes away." > > > > > > Still laughing uncontrollably. It's all about > > > what "you" "want" rather than what is. > > > > That's the way it is when Awareness is not > > "present." > > > > If you > > > only learned to appreciate what already is, > > > you'd have what you want. > > > > That's the way it is when Awareness *is* "present." > > Then I have the ability to appreciate what is. > > > > And that's why it's a pain when Awareness "goes > > away" and I no longer have that ability. > > To expand a bit: You said in another post that it > feels "false" to you to "want" a higher state of > attention. Not so much "false" as completely unproductive. To do so takes one out of Now and into the realm of an imagined future that would be "better" if certain conditions were met. It's the issue of those "I'd rather be ..." bumper stickers I mentioned recently. The state of mind of "I'd rather be ..." is by definition not appreciating the Now, and setting up a set of circumstances that would "warrant" appreciation. In my experience, those who talk a lot about how things would be better in some imagined future if only suchandsuch would happen wind up never finding that future, and creating a series of Nows that are never perceived as fulfilling, because they're always waiting for suchandsuch. This is *particularly* true for those for whom suchandsuch = enlightenment, because they cannot possibly imagine what enlightenment is. If they could, they would be appreciating its presence right here, right Now, because it's already present, right here, right Now. Therefore they're not only putting off appreciation of Now until suchandsuch happens, but they are *imagining* what suchandsuch IS. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria > > for CC? > > That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); > "witnessing" can apply to temporary experiences > (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). > > It's a "symbol," but for a very specific > experience. I don't see that your four- > letter job is any better, as long as we > know what the definition of "CC" is. > > That's all I'm saying. I agree with you > that a lot of the other terms are problematic. Good. But what is your definition of CC? (but define it in a non-seeking way :) ) Can you now get universal consensus on this list for that definition? If so, I will re-sign up for the value of the term cc. Till, then I am think specific attribute desribptors are clearer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ginsburg was quite a bit oder when those interviews took place, and > more confident as a result. He also never got anywhere near the > kind of attention Dylan did. On the other hand, the actor Sir Laurence Olivier was *never* able to be articulate about how he did what he did on stage or in front of the cameras. He didn't even seem to realize there could be anything to say about it; it appeared to puzzle the hell out of him that people would ask probing questions about it. The peculiar thing was that he was the most *studied* of actors. There was very little spontaneity in his performances, as superb as they could be. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > I also find that the more often/longer Awareness > > > is "present," the more of a pain it is when it > > > "goes away." > > > > Still laughing uncontrollably. It's all about > > what "you" "want" rather than what is. > > That's the way it is when Awareness is not > "present." > > If you > > only learned to appreciate what already is, > > you'd have what you want. > > That's the way it is when Awareness *is* "present." > Then I have the ability to appreciate what is. > > And that's why it's a pain when Awareness "goes > away" and I no longer have that ability. To expand a bit: You said in another post that it feels "false" to you to "want" a higher state of attention. My experience is that it feels "false" to me to try to *create* appreciation for what already is. The appreciation is either there, or it isn't, spontaneously; and its "presence" and "absence" are very precisely correlated with the "presence" and "absence" of Awareness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS
Ginsburg was quite a bit oder when those interviews took place, and more confident as a result. He also never got anywhere near the kind of attention Dylan did. Sal On Sep 28, 2005, at 9:55 AM, feste37 wrote: Others, like Ginsberg, for example, could be much more articulate about their own work.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS
I think all of this speculating on why he wasn't more articulate during interviews really misses the point. He hated them, pure and simple. He, like many great artists as well as most others, was much more comfortable in small groups. He kept saying over and over, in his music as well as when speaking, that he didn't want any mantle or didn't want to be cast as the leader of any movement. And last but not least, he was all of 23 or so when most of the footage shown was taking place. He was very obviously uncomfortable and embarrassed by the role was being forced to play as well as all the attention. Nobody I know likes to talk about the creative processes they go through when they are doing something they love, least of all in front of large groups. How many could have done any better at that point in their lives? The Beatles gave the same goofy kinds of interviews at the start of their careers, but they at least had the advantage of having each other for some moral support. In the more recent interviews he was clearly more at ease, but those were done only talking to the one person who was interviewing him, or at least that was the impression I got. Sal On Sep 28, 2005, at 9:04 AM, authfriend wrote: > But when the performance was over, the Gift > departed and would not translate itself into > any other form. So Dylan was left inarticulate, > ordinary, not interesting at all. His recent autobiography, however, has received pretty good reviews. A section of a chapter about New Orleans was just posted on the Web, and I thought it was fascinating--not just about New Orleans but about Dylan himself, in terms of how he saw New Orleans (before the flood, obviously). Maybe the ability to do words without music has developed gradually; or maybe he has no trouble writing, just speaking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just BELIEVE Peter, and You CAN Fly!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is constant foreground PC a sufficnet criteria > for CC? That's how MMY defines it (if it's permanent); "witnessing" can apply to temporary experiences (CC being 24-hour permanent witnessing). It's a "symbol," but for a very specific experience. I don't see that your four- letter job is any better, as long as we know what the definition of "CC" is. That's all I'm saying. I agree with you that a lot of the other terms are problematic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dylan on PBS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > But when the performance was over, the Gift > > > departed and would not translate itself into > > > any other form. So Dylan was left inarticulate, > > > ordinary, not interesting at all. > > > > His recent autobiography, however, has received > > pretty good reviews. A section of a chapter about > > New Orleans was just posted on the Web, and I thought > > it was fascinating--not just about New Orleans but > > about Dylan himself, in terms of how he saw New > > Orleans (before the flood, obviously). Maybe the > > ability to do words without music has developed > > gradually; or maybe he has no trouble writing, just > > speaking. > > I haven't seen the interviews in question, but the > ones I have seen from that period do not suggest > that he was in any way inarticulate, merely so mind- > boggled by the stupidity of the questions and the > questioners that he blew both off more often than > not. This was pretty much my take on him as well :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
