[FairfieldLife] The Waking State Candy Ass Cafe (was Re: Typical Neo-Advaitin jargon)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen much Maharishi-talk recently on this forum, probably because a lot of it so patently absurd that it can be dismissed outright as jibberish. The Neo-Advaitins have their own lingo, and pet sayings, most of which is derived from Ramana Maharshi. I find many of his statements to be circular tautologies; and dispute the argument that I'm incapable or undeserving of criticism since I'm not on his level of Realization. If that would be true, then he could be faulted as a teacher by not describing reality adequately, for those on my lower level. Here's what he says: I don't quite understand what point you're trying to make. What is so circular or tautological about the quotes you cite? I know Ramana could be the way you describe, but it was usually for people who were seeking, in his judgement, a waking state, conceptual model of Realization which would only hinder their realization. He was more interested in people having direct experience of Self, rather than talking about it. If you think Ramana was this way, you certainly need to steer clear of Nigardatta who would kick anyone's waking state candy ass! I really like waking state candy ass. It's a perfect description of those who are so attached to the self, to the waking state, and to ignorance that they want realization to make sense to them while they *remain* in that state. We've got a few of them here. But they're missing a great business opportunity. They should open the Waking State Candy Ass Cafe, where people sit around and drink decaf and talk endlessly about states of consciousness they'll never experience because they never leave the cafe and never drink the real stuff. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how one determines the location of a brahmastan. Do you balance the square meters of the surrounding countryside? Measure the linear feet? It mean nothing, really. I'm just feeling mathematical these days, I guess. http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20010122.html from that link: Oscar S. Adams, Senior Mathematician for the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey, even wrote, 'Since there is no definite way to locate such a point, it would be best to ignore it entirely' Wimps like Oscar S. Adams may shy away from the question of finding the center of a nation, but Maharishi doesn't! Still, Oscar's appreciation of the problem only makes my question more pertinent. How, vedically, is it done? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
Thanks, Vaj. Still, we can't really discuss this with words. We need to start sketching maps on napkins or something. Because countries aren't square, I'm wondering how one accommodates those irregularities. How would I break India into a 9 x 9 square? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should be within the rather broad definition of the vastu-purusha mandala's centremost square--a 3 X 3 magic square at the center of the 9 x 9 square. The Brahmasthan is the 3 X 3 sqaure at the center-- and consequently covers a broad area. What are the limits of this square would depend on what is the easternmost point in India and the most western point--same with the north and south. However, as a geologist and cartographer I can also tell you that the earth ain't that simple, it resembles a sphere (but is actually a spheroid) and therefore relies more on spherical geometry. If you could then rubbersheet it to it's spheroidal dimensions specific for India, you might have something. Or might not. On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:52 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I wonder how one determines the location of a brahmastan. Do you balance the square meters of the surrounding countryside? Measure the linear feet? It mean nothing, really. I'm just feeling mathematical these days, I guess. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: phase transition maps and Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:10 PM, qntmpkt wrote:
being part of
the Saivite Tradition of Shankara
It would appear Shankara was a Vaishnav.
Being said to be an incarnation of Shiva -- that would
be interesting.
Yup. Shankara is N. of Shiva or Rudra:
2 zaMkara mf(%{I})n. causing prosperity , auspicious , beneficent
Nir. MBh. BhP. ; m. ***N. of Rudra or S3iva*** VS. A1s3vGr2. MBh.
c. ; of a son of Kas3yapa and Danu VP. ; of Skanda AV.Paris3. ; of a
serpentdemon L. ; of a Cakra-vartin L. ; ***N. of various authors and
commentators , (esp.) of S3am2kara7ca1rya***
He was a bit special (deva like). Did all his commentaries and all
by
16, when his incarnation was supposed to have been up. But was
granted an additional 16 years to travel India to set up the maths
and
all. Drop the mortal coil at 32.
At the same time, it's not unusual for Vedic and Advaitin paths
to
borrow methods from the tantric lines (e.g. Shankara and the Sri
Vidya/tantric trip). In the Kali Yuga this is a common pattern:
profound non-dual philosophy (many cannot just get it), so an
equally profound method is required to get you there. So
we borrow
from the tantrics. No, I don't mean sex.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how one determines the location of a brahmastan. Do you balance the square meters of the surrounding countryside? Measure the linear feet? It mean nothing, really. I'm just feeling mathematical these days, I guess. http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20010122.html from that link: Oscar S. Adams, Senior Mathematician for the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey, even wrote, 'Since there is no definite way to locate such a point, it would be best to ignore it entirely' Wimps like Oscar S. Adams may shy away from the question of finding the center of a nation, but Maharishi doesn't! Still, Oscar's appreciation of the problem only makes my question more pertinent. How, vedically, is it done? Probably the same way it is today -- somebody decides that they want to make a particular place a 'brahmastan' for their own personal reasons, and they find a way to do so. The method they use to calculate it has nothing to do with anything except their desire to get people to focus on that place. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
Take the longest width from east to west, and the longest height from north to south, divide each by nine. You'll end up with a rectangle. Bottom line is: the centre 3 x 3 square, the Brahmasthan, will cover a huge area--it's not a single point.On Jan 21, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:Thanks, Vaj. Still, we can't really discuss this with words. We need to start sketching maps on napkins or something. Because countries aren't square, I'm wondering how one accommodates those irregularities. How would I break India into a 9 x 9 square? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Something really good-using algae to reduce pollution and make oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I weren't so lazy I'd maintain a website for all these wonderful inventions one hears about periodically. Some time back in this forum we read about an electric motor powered by the earth's magnetic field. I've seen reports on -- and owned -- devices that splice to the fuel line to increase my car's fuel efficiency and reduce pollution. And there are the fuel additives. And the round houses that focus the space's energy to the benefit of the residents, and much more. I wish someone would keep track of this stuff and tell us how it's doing as the years progress -- whether it's been proven a hoax, or is tied up in court, or what. Didn't Maharishi once say that, when collective consciousness rose high enough, all kinds of new inventions would come out that would help us live in a heaven on earth? Get a bowl of distilled water, and a couple of carbon rods, (spent C type batteries are a handy source)held properly so that as they wear down, they can be fed towards one another as will be seen to be necessary below. Using a step down transformer to give 30 volts Alternating Current, (NOT DC), pass this voltage to the carbon rods under the water; i.e. strike an arc between them. This will create a plasma between the ends of the carbon rods, and a prepostrous amount of hydrogen gas and carbon monoxide will bubble off. Collect this in some sort of inverted funnel and burn it to produce heat or hot water. Please note that carbon monoxide is deadly. Uns. Mix this gas with five times as much air, or it won't burn. With a certain amount of messing about and conversion, it can be fed into a petrol engine. This project is not aimed at the absolute beginner, but it is not aimed at rocket scientists either. Ideal for any schools physics teacher. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
Apparently the tallest building project is at 'Village Karaundi, Tahsil Sihora, District Katni, Madhya Pradesh'. So that should make it easier - does anyone know how to get the longitude and latitude of this village? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The project of building the world's tallest building in the centre of India - Brahmasthan - is well publicised. http://showcase.netins.net/web/tkz/BigBldg/ According to this link, Brahmasthan is to be at the center of India, some '30 km northeast of Jabalpur, in the state of Madhya Pradesh'. It is documented that some few miles northeast of Jabalpur is/was the village Chichli, (near Gadawara) in Madhya Pradesh, some 150 kilometres east of Bhopal. The co-ordinates for Chichli are 22.83°N 78.82°E Chichli is said to be the birthplace of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Does anyone know the precise co-ordinates of the 'Brahmasthan' site? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Waking State Candy Ass Cafe (was Re: Typical Neo-Advaitin jargon)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen much Maharishi-talk recently on this forum, probably because a lot of it so patently absurd that it can be dismissed outright as jibberish. The Neo-Advaitins have their own lingo, and pet sayings, most of which is derived from Ramana Maharshi. I find many of his statements to be circular tautologies; and dispute the argument that I'm incapable or undeserving of criticism since I'm not on his level of Realization. If that would be true, then he could be faulted as a teacher by not describing reality adequately, for those on my lower level. Here's what he says: I don't quite understand what point you're trying to make. What is so circular or tautological about the quotes you cite? I know Ramana could be the way you describe, but it was usually for people who were seeking, in his judgement, a waking state, conceptual model of Realization which would only hinder their realization. He was more interested in people having direct experience of Self, rather than talking about it. If you think Ramana was this way, you certainly need to steer clear of Nigardatta who would kick anyone's waking state candy ass! I really like waking state candy ass. It's a perfect description of those who are so attached to the self, to the waking state, and to ignorance that they want realization to make sense to them while they *remain* in that state. We've got a few of them here. But they're missing a great business opportunity. They should open the Waking State Candy Ass Cafe, where people sit around and drink decaf and talk endlessly about states of consciousness they'll never experience because they never leave the cafe and never drink the real stuff. :-) Ah, so another disctinction to differentiate yourself into specialness. Good Show. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently the tallest building project is at 'Village Karaundi, Tahsil Sihora, District Katni, Madhya Pradesh'. So that should make it easier - does anyone know how to get the longitude and latitude of this village? You could call or email them. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic Vishwavidyalaya Village - Karaundi, Tahsil - Sihora Post - Paan Umariya Dist. - Katni, Madhya Pradesh, India 483 332 Tel: +0762-522-0343 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I searched for Katni, Madhya Pradesh, India 483 332 and it highlighted Murwara. Maybe thats another name for the village, or a nearby city (or a random software glitch.) Murwara is at: Latitute: 23 52 16 N Longitude: 80 25 5 E To find center, I simple took length and width of India and divided each by half. Not rocket science. I found this to be at: Latitute: 22 55 22 N Longitude: 78 27 40 E But that was modern India. I wonder if M and all are using ancient Bharata-- including Pakistan, Bangladesh and all. That would move the center quite near Marwara. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The project of building the world's tallest building in the centre of India - Brahmasthan - is well publicised. http://showcase.netins.net/web/tkz/BigBldg/ According to this link, Brahmasthan is to be at the center of India, some '30 km northeast of Jabalpur, in the state of Madhya Pradesh'. It is documented that some few miles northeast of Jabalpur is/was the village Chichli, (near Gadawara) in Madhya Pradesh, some 150 kilometres east of Bhopal. The co-ordinates for Chichli are 22.83°N 78.82°E Chichli is said to be the birthplace of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Does anyone know the precise co-ordinates of the 'Brahmasthan' site? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
Your calculation to get a 'centre' of India results in co-ordinates that are almost identical with those given for Chichli (the alleged village of MMY's birth). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently the tallest building project is at 'Village Karaundi, Tahsil Sihora, District Katni, Madhya Pradesh'. So that should make it easier - does anyone know how to get the longitude and latitude of this village? You could call or email them. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic Vishwavidyalaya Village - Karaundi, Tahsil - Sihora Post - Paan Umariya Dist. - Katni, Madhya Pradesh, India 483 332 Tel: +0762-522-0343 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I searched for Katni, Madhya Pradesh, India 483 332 and it highlighted Murwara. Maybe thats another name for the village, or a nearby city (or a random software glitch.) Murwara is at: Latitute: 23 52 16 N Longitude: 80 25 5 E To find center, I simple took length and width of India and divided each by half. Not rocket science. I found this to be at: Latitute: 22 55 22 N Longitude: 78 27 40 E But that was modern India. I wonder if M and all are using ancient Bharata-- including Pakistan, Bangladesh and all. That would move the center quite near Marwara. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The project of building the world's tallest building in the centre of India - Brahmasthan - is well publicised. http://showcase.netins.net/web/tkz/BigBldg/ According to this link, Brahmasthan is to be at the center of India, some '30 km northeast of Jabalpur, in the state of Madhya Pradesh'. It is documented that some few miles northeast of Jabalpur is/was the village Chichli, (near Gadawara) in Madhya Pradesh, some 150 kilometres east of Bhopal. The co-ordinates for Chichli are 22.83°N 78.82°E Chichli is said to be the birthplace of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Does anyone know the precise co-ordinates of the 'Brahmasthan' site? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Waking State Candy Ass Cafe (was Re: Typical Neo-Advaitin jargon)
I can't see that waking state candy ass is a description of anything, let alone a perfect description. It's just a vulgarism. Ass is a word that Americans seem obsessed by, and I can only wonder why. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really like waking state candy ass. It's a perfect description of those who are so attached to the self, to the waking state, and to ignorance that they want realization to make sense to them while they *remain* in that state. We've got a few of them here. But they're missing a great business opportunity. They should open the Waking State Candy Ass Cafe, where people sit around and drink decaf and talk endlessly about states of consciousness they'll never experience because they never leave the cafe and never drink the real stuff. :-) Ah, so another disctinction to differentiate yourself into specialness. Good Show. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: phase transition maps and Gurus
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:10 PM, qntmpkt wrote: being part of the Saivite Tradition of Shankara It would appear Shankara was a Vaishnav. Being said to be an incarnation of Shiva -- that would be interesting. He was a bit special (deva like). Did all his commentaries and all by 16, when his incarnation was supposed to have been up. But was granted an additional 16 years to travel India to set up the maths and all. Drop the mortal coil at 32. **SNIP TO END** Most of the reading and research I've done does seem to point to Adi Sankaracharya as being a devotee of Narasimha, Vishnu's incarnation as the ManLion who rescued his devotee, Prahlad, from his demon father, Hiranyakashipu. All worship is only Consiousness worshipping Consciousness. The puranas articulate this by the stories of any particular manifestation of God worshipping another manifestation of God as Lord. Shiva is considered the highest devotee of Krishna (indeed, Hanuman, who is the epitome of devotion is the secret form of Shiva); Rama fashions a lingam on the sands of south India to worship Shiva before conquering Sri Lanka (the present of the Rameshavaram temple that Maharishi visited after he left Uttar Kashi); all the Gods invoke and worship their Shakti as Ma Durga to save them from the demon Mahishasura; etc. It's all a round robin of worship of Self. Similarly, in the offering of ararti, or camphor flame, to the divinity the symbolism is that the individual flame of consciousness is offering itself to the universal light of consiousness of which it is just an expression. Using camphor as the fuel is symbolic of the ego which, offering itself to God, is completely extinguished with no ash left behind because it wasn't real to begin with. I guess you could extend the metaphor as regards the carbon soot to leshyavidya, or the remains of ignorance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Waking State Candy Ass Cafe (was Re: Typical Neo-Advaitin jargon)
--- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see that waking state candy ass is a description of anything, Sure it is. Look at how Ramana and Nisgardatta and many other masters treat people that approach them whinning for a coherent, waking state explanation of Self. They just smash their waking state candy ass approach to facilitate the direct experience of Self rather than talking about it endlessly. They're doing them a wonderful favor. let alone a perfect description. It's just a vulgarism. Ass is a word that Americans seem obsessed by, and I can only wonder why. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really like waking state candy ass. It's a perfect description of those who are so attached to the self, to the waking state, and to ignorance that they want realization to make sense to them while they *remain* in that state. We've got a few of them here. But they're missing a great business opportunity. They should open the Waking State Candy Ass Cafe, where people sit around and drink decaf and talk endlessly about states of consciousness they'll never experience because they never leave the cafe and never drink the real stuff. :-) Ah, so another disctinction to differentiate yourself into specialness. Good Show. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I searched for Katni, Madhya Pradesh, India 483 332 and it highlighted Murwara. Maybe thats another name for the village, or a nearby city (or a random software glitch.) Murwara is at: Latitute: 23 52 16 N Longitude: 80 25 5 E The Times Atlas of the World has a listing for Katni: 23.47N 80.29E Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Waking State Candy Ass Cafe (was Re: Typical Neo-Advaitin jargon)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see that waking state candy ass is a description of anything, Sure it is. Look at how Ramana and Nisgardatta and many other masters treat people that approach them whinning for a coherent, waking state explanation of Self. They just smash their waking state candy ass approach to facilitate the direct experience of Self rather than talking about it endlessly. They're doing them a wonderful favor. I agree with you completely. I think feste's just hung up on the word 'ass' because of your spelling. Where I'm from, the term is spelled 'candyass,' all as one word, and has nothing to do with 'ass' or 'asses,' merely with being a wuss. What I think we're poking fun at is the folks who seem to believe that the universe owes them a description of enlightenment that makes sense to them from the state of ignorance. In my experience, the goal of such people seems to be to convince themselves that they understand enlightenment. Also in my experience, they prefer to believe that they understand it rather than to experience it, because to do that would require that they drop the self. It's the self, after all, that seeks to understand. To me, all of this connotes a pretty wussy approach to realization, so I still think that waking state candyass pretty much nails it. :-) let alone a perfect description. It's just a vulgarism. Ass is a word that Americans seem obsessed by, and I can only wonder why. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really like waking state candy ass. It's a perfect description of those who are so attached to the self, to the waking state, and to ignorance that they want realization to make sense to them while they *remain* in that state. We've got a few of them here. But they're missing a great business opportunity. They should open the Waking State Candy Ass Cafe, where people sit around and drink decaf and talk endlessly about states of consciousness they'll never experience because they never leave the cafe and never drink the real stuff. :-) Ah, so another disctinction to differentiate yourself into specialness. Good Show. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I searched for Katni, Madhya Pradesh, India 483 332 and it highlighted Murwara. Maybe thats another name for the village, or a nearby city (or a random software glitch.) Murwara is at: Latitute: 23 52 16 N Longitude: 80 25 5 E The Times Atlas of the World has a listing for Katni: 23.47N 80.29E Additionally, I've just uploaded a macro shot of the area in question from my Atlas: http://alex.natel.net/ffl/images/india_brahmasthan.jpg Chichli is WSW of Jabalpur (left and a little down) and Katni is NNE of Jabalpur (up and a little to the right). My atlas gives the coordinates for Chichli as: 22.48N 78.52E A rough measurement puts the two cities about 200 kilometers apart. Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I searched for Katni, Madhya Pradesh, India 483 332 and it highlighted Murwara. Maybe thats another name for the village, or a nearby city (or a random software glitch.) Murwara is at: Latitute: 23 52 16 N Longitude: 80 25 5 E The Times Atlas of the World has a listing for Katni: 23.47N 80.29E Additionally, I've just uploaded a macro shot of the area in question from my Atlas: http://alex.natel.net/ffl/images/india_brahmasthan.jpg Chichli is WSW of Jabalpur (left and a little down) and Katni is NNE of Jabalpur (up and a little to the right). My atlas gives the coordinates for Chichli as: 22.48N 78.52E A rough measurement puts the two cities about 200 kilometers apart. Amazing. So MMY did *not* decide to make his birthplace the Brahmasthan of India after all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
Thank you Alex, the macro view of map well appreciated. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I searched for Katni, Madhya Pradesh, India 483 332 and it highlighted Murwara. Maybe thats another name for the village, or a nearby city (or a random software glitch.) Murwara is at: Latitute: 23 52 16 N Longitude: 80 25 5 E The Times Atlas of the World has a listing for Katni: 23.47N 80.29E Additionally, I've just uploaded a macro shot of the area in question from my Atlas: http://alex.natel.net/ffl/images/india_brahmasthan.jpg Chichli is WSW of Jabalpur (left and a little down) and Katni is NNE of Jabalpur (up and a little to the right). My atlas gives the coordinates for Chichli as: 22.48N 78.52E A rough measurement puts the two cities about 200 kilometers apart. Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Waking State Candy Ass Cafe (was Re: Typical Neo-Advaitin jargon)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see that waking state candy ass is a description of anything, Sure it is. Look at how Ramana and Nisgardatta and many other masters treat people that approach them whinning for a coherent, waking state explanation of Self. They just smash their waking state candy ass approach to facilitate the direct experience of Self rather than talking about it endlessly. They're doing them a wonderful favor. I agree with you completely. I think feste's just hung up on the word 'ass' because of your spelling. Where I'm from, the term is spelled 'candyass,' all as one word, and has nothing to do with 'ass' or 'asses,' merely with being a wuss. What I think we're poking fun at is the folks who seem to believe that the universe owes them a description of enlightenment that makes sense to them from the state of ignorance. In my experience, the goal of such people seems to be to convince themselves that they understand enlightenment. Also in my experience, they prefer to believe that they understand it rather than to experience it, because to do that would require that they drop the self. It's the self, after all, that seeks to understand. To me, all of this connotes a pretty wussy approach to realization, so I still think that waking state candyass pretty much nails it. :-) So, although I think the candy ass thing is a great job aid personally, almost sutra like in its ability to turn the mind away from the illusion of waking state, everyone begins the journey by 'understanding' enlightenment. In other words, building a conceptual model of that which they are striving for. We all did it. The mistake comes when we try to hold such a model intact and live Realization at the same time. Something feels horribly wrong to us, and yet we persist in forcing the model to work. Not to worry, though. As long as we continue to transcend, we continue to create pressure along our internal aptly named faultline, until our crust ruptures, and life is once again seen for what it Is. And if not in this life, then in another. No big deal. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
NHNE News List Current Members: 1402 Subscribe/unsubscribe/archive info at the bottom of this message. SEX FOR SALVATION? Paul Zahn Now, on CNN, USA January 19, 2006 http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/19/pzn.01.html ZAHN: I want to warn you now that you may not want the kids in the room for this next story. It deals with some disturbing allegations of sex, trust and betrayal. The central figures in the story, a major church in a big city, its respected leader, and a young woman who turned there for spiritual comfort after a crisis. Here is David Mattingly with tonight's Eye Opener. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) MONA BREWER, FORMER CHAPEL HILL HARVESTER CHURCH MEMBER: And she died when she was 18 in a car accident suddenly. And I really had a real experience with God at that time. DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Twenty years ago and just a teenager, a young Mona Brewer was reeling from the death of her sister and turned to God. She found comfort in the welcoming arms of the Chapel Hill Harvester Church near Atlanta http://www.col.tv/. At the time, it was one of the nation's growing charismatic mega- churches, with thousands of members led by the influential Bishop Earl Paulk. BISHOP EARL PAULK, CHAPEL HILL HARVESTER CHURCH: I want you to praise God with us today. BREWER: He had a -- a fresh word from God every time he came to the pulpit, which was several times a week. And it was amazing, you know, that God spoke to him such -- on such a frequency. And we were taught that spiritual authority was -- your level of spiritual authority was according to, you know, your revelation from God, or the things that God revealed to a person. And he was -- we were taught he was a prophet and an apostle in the church. MATTINGLY: Mona says she came to view Paulk, a married father and grandfather, as a holy messenger of the lord selected by God to speak for the almighty. And, over time, Bishop Paulk's church became her life. Mona became a teacher in the church school, a soloist in the church choir. And, at age 27, she even married an associate church pastor, a union blessed by Paulk himself, a man she believed so close to God that his words could never be questioned. BREWER: There were signs on the walls at the church. They didn't put scriptures on the wall. They put his sayings, his quotations. And one of them was, The kingdom of God is built in trust. And we were taught that we were to trust our spiritual authority, and we were taught not to question it. MATTINGLY: And so it went for years, Mona says, until, one day, Paulk asked for a meeting with her. It was a request that left her both elated and curious. BREWER: I was just overwhelmed, because that was such a great opportunity. Nobody got to do that. I mean, he was awesome. I mean, everybody wanted to talk to him. And he just invited me to his office to talk to him for a few minutes. And that was really incredible. (MUSIC) MATTINGLY: She says this man she respected so much, it turns out, had been moved by her singing and wanted to take her to a higher level of ministry. BREWER: And, at the end of the chat, he said, well what is it you want for me? And I thought to myself at the time, well, I didn't -- I didn't ask to come here. You asked me to come. But I couldn't say that, because that would sound verbose. And I couldn't say that. So, I just said, well, I guess I need a father, because that's what everybody was -- said. And I thought -- and I did. I thought, you know, well, that's a good thing to say. So... MATTINGLY: But Mona was about to get something she never expected. She says, in her next few meetings with Paulk, his plans for her became shockingly clear. BREWER: He said, well, I guess you will just have to take your clothes off, because I'm going to have to love you. Whoa. And I thought, oh, God. You know, I didn't want to do it, but what choice did I have? I mean, I have been taught for all these years not to question him. And I had this word from God. I mean, God obviously wanted me to do this. And it was so foreign to me, but I -- I didn't know what else to do. I was on the spot. So, I took off my clothes, and we did it. MATTINGLY: The tryst, she says, went against all she had been taught about marriage, sin and adultery. Then age 29 and a member of Paulk's church for 10 years, she was left confused, conflicted, and questioning what she knew about her faith. (on camera): And, according to Mona Brewer, it was just the beginning. The liaisons continued, she says, and became frequent. She says that Paulk used the scriptures to justify the seemingly unholy behavior, claiming that God had elevated him above the sin of adultery. BREWER: Because he said, you know, the adultery issue was for the little ones. It was for the -- the people, the, you know, commoners. It wasn't for people who God elevated and trusted with special things like this, relationships like this. And that's the way he explained it to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how one determines the location of a brahmastan. Do you balance the square meters of the surrounding countryside? Measure the linear feet? It mean nothing, really. I'm just feeling mathematical these days, I guess. http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20010122.html from that link: Oscar S. Adams, Senior Mathematician for the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey, even wrote, 'Since there is no definite way to locate such a point, it would be best to ignore it entirely' Wimps like Oscar S. Adams may shy away from the question of finding the center of a nation, but Maharishi doesn't! Still, Oscar's appreciation of the problem only makes my question more pertinent. How, vedically, is it done? Probably the same way it is today -- somebody decides that they want to make a particular place a 'brahmastan' for their own personal reasons, and they find a way to do so. The method they use to calculate it has nothing to do with anything except their desire to get people to focus on that place. ** It's easy to find a precise Brahmastan for a SthapathyaVed compliant house, but not so easy to define a precise point of the Brahmastan for a country, and probably not necessary. The idea of declaring a country's Brahmastan is probably just to give an acceptably central location for the influence of Vedic pundits performing ceremonies, so that evolutionary influence is equally radiated to all parts of the country -- a few miles one way or the other on the location won't make any difference. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Waking State Candy Ass Cafe (was Re: Typical Neo-Advaitin jargon)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see that waking state candy ass is a description of anything, Sure it is. Look at how Ramana and Nisgardatta and many other masters treat people that approach them whinning for a coherent, waking state explanation of Self. They just smash their waking state candy ass approach to facilitate the direct experience of Self rather than talking about it endlessly. They're doing them a wonderful favor. I agree with you completely. I think feste's just hung up on the word 'ass' because of your spelling. Where I'm from, the term is spelled 'candyass,' all as one word, and has nothing to do with 'ass' or 'asses,' merely with being a wuss. What I think we're poking fun at is the folks who seem to believe that the universe owes them a description of enlightenment that makes sense to them from the state of ignorance. In my experience, the goal of such people seems to be to convince themselves that they understand enlightenment. Also in my experience, they prefer to believe that they understand it rather than to experience it, because to do that would require that they drop the self. It's the self, after all, that seeks to understand. And I guess there is a third group, beyond the candyassers and smug-a-litists: those that find humor in the pretentious advaita-speak of some that while often inconsistent from its own state of reference*- is sold to the naive as a paradox of Brahman. (Examples being: i) in enlightenment there is no absolutely ego AT ALL, ANYWHERE, but hey if someone says they experience ego in enlightenment, 'kewl, its groovy', and ii) in enlightenment there is no absolutely ego AT ALL, ANYWHERE, I am enlightened, but I get really insulted sometimes (a lot actually) which is a dimishment of my sense of ego, but I have no ego, and if you see contradictions here, you are so candy-assed not enlightened (like me) you just cant GET it in your dimwitted, ignorant waking state, or iii) I am so enlightened, and that means my intellect is perfect, and by definition I cannot make cognitive errors, yet my reading comprehenion skills are below a 6th grade level, and if you see contradictions here, you are so candy-assed not enlightened (like me) you just can't GET it in your dimwitted of , ignorant waking state. Its just the paradox of brahman. Who I am. Which I see in all beings -- even the assholes outthere who I wish would chock and die. *inconsistent from its own state of reference - refers to each state of consciousness, and each corresponding (per some) system of Indian philosopy, is consistent within its own sphere. Contradictions arise between systems, not within a system. Thus not all, in fact not many paradoxes and contradictions can be pawned off as the paradox of brahamn. Usually they are just dimwitted remarks from a coudy vision. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Extraterrestrial consciousness: Universe Communion
Check out this music video of guitarist-yogi Stuart Davis. It's a song on the Dagon, a tribe in Africa which had traditional knowledge about the Sirius star-system, long before we even knew about Sirius B C. It's also about the limitations of waking state derived knowledge and scientific materialism.http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6His live version on "16 Nudes" is the best version I've heard. You can buy them online at:http://stuartdavis.com/albums/sixteennudesOther great tunes on the album are "I Need" and "Kid Mystic" where his uncle Steve tries to teach him to levitate...Universe CommunionThere was a star that was hidden in space - an undiscovered gemuntil it's denizens decided they had chosenthe Dagon to give the gift to themAs with the shocking revelations,of a primitive people our knowledge was redefinedEnlightened and wise, the simple African tribehas educated the modern mindsOur potential was choked under the scientific yokeAfraid that if we move and open our eyes, we'll have to realize(chorus)If a message from a distant sun can reach usThere is a magic that is waiting and is willing to teach ushow to suture every soul into one concentric wholeEarth will find a perfect unionin the universe communionIn this arena of Western thought, the spirit is in a visewe are driven to seek but it's a futile pursuitwith the means that won't sufficeIt is a science with a limited scopewhere the heart and head collideresigned to the laws of only tangible proofto which the truth does not abideWe stifle and smother the mystic wonderIs our arrogance a deafening fear of what we'll have to hear?(chorus)There's a tendency to think that it's our practical sensesthat get these questions solvedbut those are tenuous tools and the more we employ them, the slowerwe evolveDenied by our suppression the deeper lesson(chorus) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] The Waking State Candy Ass Cafe (was Re: Typical Neo-Advaitin jargon)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, although I think the candy ass thing is a great job aid personally, almost sutra like in its ability to turn the mind away from the illusion of waking state, everyone begins the journey by 'understanding' enlightenment. In other words, building a conceptual model of that which they are striving for. We all did it. True. Although I wonder from time to time whether it would have been easier to accept realization when it occurred if we had not been imprinted with so many false conceptual models for it, models that had to be dropped to make way for the reality of it. The mistake comes when we try to hold such a model intact and live Realization at the same time. Something feels horribly wrong to us, and yet we persist in forcing the model to work. For a short while, yes. But then the futility of the struggle becomes too laughable to keep it up any further. Not to worry, though. As long as we continue to transcend, we continue to create pressure along our internal aptly named faultline, until our crust ruptures, and life is once again seen for what it Is. Good metaphor, faultlines. As in chaos theory, one gets to a point in which the pressure to be real exceeds the desire to be unreal, and reality wins. And if not in this life, then in another. No big deal. No big deal. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraterrestrial consciousness: Universe Communion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out this music video of guitarist-yogi Stuart Davis. It's a song on the Dagon, a tribe in Africa which had traditional knowledge about the Sirius star-system, long before we even knew about Sirius B C. It's also about the limitations of waking state derived knowledge and scientific materialism. FWIW, there's considerable doubt about whether the Dogon actually did have such astronomical knowledge, and an excellent case to be made that the story is an amalgam of misunderstandings on the parts of the anthropologists who first reported it and later interpreters. http://www.csicop.org/si/7809/sirius.html http://chandra.harvard.edu/chronicle/0400/sirius_part2.html http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc121.htm http://www.geocities.com/martinclutt Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Extraterrestrial consciousness: Universe Communion
Yes I was aware of this. Much of it, from what I had read in the past, seems to be part scientific materialist vs. higher states of consciousness debate. It would be virtually impossible for a hard- core materialistic scientist to understand the states of consciousness these peoples were accessing. There are a number of tribes in Africa in which the majority of the people are spiritually awake. Or at least there were. Many in Mali are being destroyed by infection of Islam and other Abrahamical religions which don't support or even allow such pagan or primitive practices. This the relevance of the song and it's theme of scientific materialism and the limitations of the waking state. On Jan 21, 2006, at 7:50 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out this music video of guitarist-yogi Stuart Davis. It's a song on the Dagon, a tribe in Africa which had traditional knowledge about the Sirius star-system, long before we even knew about Sirius B C. It's also about the limitations of waking state derived knowledge and scientific materialism. FWIW, there's considerable doubt about whether the Dogon actually did have such astronomical knowledge, and an excellent case to be made that the story is an amalgam of misunderstandings on the parts of the anthropologists who first reported it and later interpreters. http://www.csicop.org/si/7809/sirius.html http://chandra.harvard.edu/chronicle/0400/sirius_part2.html http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc121.htm http://www.geocities.com/martinclutt Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Waking State Candy Ass Cafe (was Re: Typical Neo-Advaitin jargon)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, although I think the candy ass thing is a great job aid personally, almost sutra like in its ability to turn the mind away from the illusion of waking state, everyone begins the journey by 'understanding' enlightenment. In other words, building a conceptual model of that which they are striving for. We all did it. True. Although I wonder from time to time whether it would have been easier to accept realization when it occurred if we had not been imprinted with so many false conceptual models for it, models that had to be dropped to make way for the reality of it. snip From my standpoint I don't think so- when it [the concepts and stories] crumbled, it crumbled quickly and completely. Even such a huge edifice as I had built was reduced to nothing in a day. There is such an overwhelming sense of both 'ah, now it is right' and the resulting freedom within our heads and hearts that no matter what has been there before is effortlessly let go of. There is simply no question, no comparison, no doubt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how one determines the location of a brahmastan. Do you balance the square meters of the surrounding countryside? Measure the linear feet? It mean nothing, really. I'm just feeling mathematical these days, I guess. http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20010122.html from that link: Oscar S. Adams, Senior Mathematician for the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey, even wrote, 'Since there is no definite way to locate such a point, it would be best to ignore it entirely' Wimps like Oscar S. Adams may shy away from the question of finding the center of a nation, but Maharishi doesn't! Still, Oscar's appreciation of the problem only makes my question more pertinent. How, vedically, is it done? Probably the same way it is today -- somebody decides that they want to make a particular place a 'brahmastan' for their own personal reasons, and they find a way to do so. The method they use to calculate it has nothing to do with anything except their desire to get people to focus on that place. ** It's easy to find a precise Brahmastan for a SthapathyaVed compliant house, but not so easy to define a precise point of the Brahmastan for a country, and probably not necessary. The idea of declaring a country's Brahmastan is probably just to give an acceptably central location for the influence of Vedic pundits performing ceremonies, so that evolutionary influence is equally radiated to all parts of the country -- a few miles one way or the other on the location won't make any difference. ...and better yet to be a walking Brahmastan. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo-advaitaAnswers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber.http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6The first question has to do directly with the relation of modern quantum physics and spirituality. In effect, does physics prove God, does the Tao find proof in quantum realities? Answer: "Categorically not. I don't know more confusion in the last thirty years than has come from quantum physics" Ken goes on to outline the three major confusions that have dominated the popular (mis)understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. #1: Your consciousness does not create electrons. Unlike Newtonian physics, which can predict the location of large objects moving at slow speeds, quantum physics only offers a probability wave in which a given particle, like an electron, should show up. But here's the funny thing: it is only at the moment that one makes the measurement that the electron actually does "show up." Certain writers and theorists have thus suggested that human intentionality actually creates reality on a quantum level. The most popular version of this idea can be found in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know?!, in which we "qwaff" reality into existence. Ken suggests this is both bad physics and bad mysticism. As for the former, in his book, Quantum Questions, Ken compiled the original writings of the 13 most important founders of modern quantum and relativistic physics, to explore their understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. Without exception, each one of them believed that modern physics does NOT prove spiritual realities in any fashion. And yet each of them was a mystic, not because of physics, but in spite of it. By pushing to the outer limits of their discipline, a feat which requires true genius, they found themselves face to face with those realities that physics categorically could not explain. Likewise, none of those founders of modern physics believed that the act of consciousness was responsible for creating particles at the quantum level. David Bohm did not believe that, Schroedinger did not believe that, Heisenberg did not believe that. That belief requires the enormous self-infatuation and narcissism, or "boomeritis," of the post-modern ego, and Ken goes into the possible psychology behind all of that. #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit. The immediate problem with the notion that certain "unmanifest" or "vacuum" quantum realities give rise to the manifest world, and that the quantum vacuum is Spirit, is that it immediately presupposes a radically divided Spirit or Ultimate. There is Spirit "over here," manifestation "over there," and it's only through these quantum vacuum potentials that Spirit actualizes manifestation—with Spirit set apart from manifestation. As the great contemplative traditions agree, true nondual Spirit is the suchness, emptiness, or isness of all manifestation, and as such leaves everything exactly where it finds it. Nondual Spirit is no more set apart from manifestation than the wetness of the ocean is set apart from waves. Wetness is the suchness or isness of all waves. By identifying Spirit with quantum potential, you are actually qualifying the Unqualifiable, giving it characteristics—"and right there," Ken says, "things start to go horribly wrong, and they never recover. These folks are trying to give characteristics to Emptiness. They therefore make it dualistic. And then things get worse from there" #3: Just because you understand quantum mechanics doesn't mean you're enlightened. Physics is an explicitly 3rd-person approach to reality, whereas meditative, contemplative, or mystical disciplines are explicitly 1st-person approaches to reality. Neither perspective is more real than the other, but each perspective does disclose different truths, and you cannot use the truth disclosed in one domain to "colonize" another. The study of physics, as a 3rd-person discipline, will not get you enlightenment; and meditation, as a 1st-person discipline, will not disclose the location of an asteroid (or an electron). The "content" of enlightenment is the realization of that which is timeless, formless, and eternally unchanging. The content of physics is the understanding of the movement of form within time, i.e. that which is constantly changing. And if you hook Buddha's enlightenment to a theory of physics that gets disproved tomorrow, does that mean Buddha loses his enlightenment? Ken goes on to suggest that what might be influencing quantum realities is not Suchness per se, but bio-energy or prana, which may be the source of the crackling, buzzing, electric creativity that so many theorists have tried to explain at the quantum level. Of course, it remains to be seen exactly what further research does and does not support. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This
[FairfieldLife] Agenda for Board of Supervisors - Moratorium for Hog Factories
Title: Agenda for Board of Supervisors - Moratorium for Hog Factories Hi: If you can come to this historic meeting with the BD of Supervisors on the MORATORIUM for FACTORY FARMS and LOCAL CONTROL, it would be very much appreciated. Please be there by 9:15am THIS MONDAY Jan 23. This is what we all have working for so diligently. (Please forward this to your Jeff. Co. friends) Some of us met with the BD last week and presented the Petition signed by 2000+ people for a Moratorium. This meeting is the follow up that we requested to ask them to approve a resolution requesting the State Legislature to pass a Moratorium and allow Local Control. The meeting should last less than a half an hour. See below. Hope to see you all there. Thanks!!! See agenda below Robert JFAN Jefferson County Board of Supervisors Jefferson County Courthouse Michael J. Pech Fairfield, Iowa 52556 Stephen Burgmeier (641) 472-2851 Richard C. Reed (641) 472-3106 fax NOTICE TO GENERAL PUBLIC Pursuant to Chapter 21, 2005 Code of Iowa, you are hereby notified of the following meetings of the below-named body in open session. The Jefferson County Board of Supervisors will meet in the 3rd floor meeting room of the Jefferson County Courthouse on: AGENDA Dated January 23, 2006: Monday January 23, 9:00 A.M. - Weekly Board Meeting. Acknowledge January 3, 9 16, 2006 minutes. Meet with County Engineer and Assistant County Attorney. Discuss Old Law Center roof. Discuss Courthouse Cupola. Consider hiring attorney for legal matter. Consider wages of two Secondary Road employees. Consider hiring temporary, part-time Veteran's Affairs assistant. Make committee reports. Allow claims and approve reports. Tour DHS building. AND Consider resolution supporting moratorium on construction and expansion of factory farms. Consider resolution supporting local control of factory farms. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either. Beyond being an analogy and using the platform of quantum mechanics to serve as an illustration for how consicousness works, I never saw an actual connection between the working of the mind and consciousness and physics. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 The first question has to do directly with the relation of modern quantum physics and spirituality. In effect, does physics prove God, does the Tao find proof in quantum realities? Answer: Categorically not. I don't know more confusion in the last thirty years than has come from quantum physics Ken goes on to outline the three major confusions that have dominated the popular (mis)understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. #1: Your consciousness does not create electrons. Unlike Newtonian physics, which can predict the location of large objects moving at slow speeds, quantum physics only offers a probability wave in which a given particle, like an electron, should show up. But here's the funny thing: it is only at the moment that one makes the measurement that the electron actually does show up. Certain writers and theorists have thus suggested that human intentionality actually creates reality on a quantum level. The most popular version of this idea can be found in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know?!, in which we qwaff reality into existence. Ken suggests this is both bad physics and bad mysticism. As for the former, in his book, Quantum Questions, Ken compiled the original writings of the 13 most important founders of modern quantum and relativistic physics, to explore their understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. Without exception, each one of them believed that modern physics does NOT prove spiritual realities in any fashion. And yet each of them was a mystic, not because of physics, but in spite of it. By pushing to the outer limits of their discipline, a feat which requires true genius, they found themselves face to face with those realities that physics categorically could not explain. Likewise, none of those founders of modern physics believed that the act of consciousness was responsible for creating particles at the quantum level. David Bohm did not believe that, Schroedinger did not believe that, Heisenberg did not believe that. That belief requires the enormous self-infatuation and narcissism, or boomeritis, of the post-modern ego, and Ken goes into the possible psychology behind all of that. #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit. The immediate problem with the notion that certain unmanifest or vacuum quantum realities give rise to the manifest world, and that the quantum vacuum is Spirit, is that it immediately presupposes a radically divided Spirit or Ultimate. There is Spirit over here, manifestation over there, and it's only through these quantum vacuum potentials that Spirit actualizes manifestationwith Spirit set apart from manifestation. As the great contemplative traditions agree, true nondual Spirit is the suchness, emptiness, or isness of all manifestation, and as such leaves everything exactly where it finds it. Nondual Spirit is no more set apart from manifestation than the wetness of the ocean is set apart from waves. Wetness is the suchness or isness of all waves. By identifying Spirit with quantum potential, you are actually qualifying the Unqualifiable, giving it characteristicsand right there, Ken says, things start to go horribly wrong, and they never recover. These folks are trying to give characteristics to Emptiness. They therefore make it dualistic. And then things get worse from there #3: Just because you understand quantum mechanics doesn't mean you're enlightened. Physics is an explicitly 3rd-person approach to reality, whereas meditative, contemplative, or mystical disciplines are explicitly 1st-person approaches to reality. Neither perspective is more real than the other, but each perspective does disclose different truths, and you cannot use the truth disclosed in one domain to colonize another. The study of physics, as a 3rd- person discipline, will not get you enlightenment; and meditation, as a 1st- person discipline, will not disclose the location of an asteroid (or an electron). The content of enlightenment is the realization of that which is timeless, formless, and eternally unchanging. The content of
[FairfieldLife] Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
Title: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:00:01 -0500 To: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conversation: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Subject: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Late breaking news: Dear Friends, We just had a meeting this afternoon regarding our departure from The Spiritual Center of America in North Carolina. We will divide into three groups: one will go somewhere in the US, probably Livingston Manor; one will go to Holland; and one will go to the Brahmastan of India. We will all be out of the SCA by the end of the month. Purusha administrators will try to start putting us on airplanes, busses etc. by next weekend. Thank you for your help with my new computer and other bills. I bought a used Mac Mini from one of my Purusha brothers. I love it, but the monitor is a bit heavy. Hopefully Ill be able to take it. The airlines only allow 50 lbs. per bag these days for international travel. The computer is paid off and most of my dental work has been paid for. The only major bill I have left is my student loans. Once those are paid off I will be debt-free...for a while anyway, hopefully. Our Purusha Fellowship program ends Feb. 1st, so now I have to pay off my loans. Ive been working on them over the years, so its not terrible. I owe a total of $700. Also, estimated travel to Europe is about $650. I put my name on the list for Holland as I would like to be in the physical proximity of Maharishi-ji as much as possible at this time. If you would like to help the group with travel expenses, you may take a look at www.purusha.org for the different ways of contributing. If you put my name as the Inspirer of the donation it will be helpful. If you would like to help me with my student loans you can sent a check to me at my address here. I will give a forwarding address to the post office before I leave. My address is: Michael Jansen Suite 419 639 Whispering Hills Road Boone, NC 28607 It will be sad to leave this beautiful place, but the people who bought a lot of the land from the Kaplans have already started putting roads through the property. The main road is on the ridge across the valley. Soon these buildings will be looking at the windows of very large homes over there and I dont think the feeling will be quite the same any more. There will also be roads running through the valley linking the main road on the south ridge with other main roads in the area. I took a 2.5 hour walk yesterday to check everything out. Its a very large project that is going in over there on the south ridge with very wide roads, unlike ours here at the SCA. Maybe its time to leave. We probably dont even want to see what is going to happen to our beautiful home here. Ill let you know if there are any more changes. Continue on in bliss!...and thanks again for your very generous help. Jai Guru Dev Michael :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Agenda for Board of Supervisors - Moratorium for Hog Factories
Question to Rick: I haven't really been following the pig/Fairfield debate closely...is the issue that if these pig farms are built in Jefferson County that the smell will reach MUM? If that is the issue and the farms do, indeed, get built and the smell does reach campus, I would imagine that that would be unpleasant enough for many to want to leave Fairfield, no (it certainly would for me!)? Any thoughts on that? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: If you can come to this historic meeting with the BD of Supervisors on the MORATORIUM for FACTORY FARMS and LOCAL CONTROL, it would be very much appreciated. Please be there by 9:15am THIS MONDAY Jan 23. This is what we all have working for so diligently. (Please forward this to your Jeff. Co. friends) Some of us met with the BD last week and presented the Petition signed by 2000+ people for a Moratorium. This meeting is the follow up that we requested to ask them to approve a resolution requesting the State Legislature to pass a Moratorium and allow Local Control. The meeting should last less than a half an hour. See below. Hope to see you all there. Thanks!!! See agenda below Robert JFAN Jefferson County Board of Supervisors Jefferson County Courthouse Michael J. Pech Fairfield, Iowa 52556 Stephen Burgmeier (641) 472-2851 Richard C. Reed (641) 472-3106 fax NOTICE TO GENERAL PUBLIC Pursuant to Chapter 21, 2005 Code of Iowa, you are hereby notified of the following meetings of the below-named body in open session. The Jefferson County Board of Supervisors will meet in the 3rd floor meeting room of the Jefferson County Courthouse on: AGENDA Dated January 23, 2006: Monday January 23, 9:00 A.M. - Weekly Board Meeting. Acknowledge January 3, 9 16, 2006 minutes. Meet with County Engineer and Assistant County Attorney. Discuss Old Law Center roof. Discuss Courthouse Cupola. Consider hiring attorney for legal matter. Consider wages of two Secondary Road employees. Consider hiring temporary, part-time Veteran's Affairs assistant. Make committee reports. Allow claims and approve reports. Tour DHS building. AND Consider resolution supporting moratorium on construction and expansion of factory farms. Consider resolution supporting local control of factory farms. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
What about the "technology of the Unified Field" that TM and the TMSP is supposed to represent? Are you saying all of that was just a razzle dazzle marketing spiel? Symbolic? Jungian archetypes of our collective unconsciousness? (LOL)Are you really telling me that TM and the TMSP is NOT a technology of the Unified Field? What about all those charts? Is John Hagelin a liar? gasp Everyone knows physicists don't lie. I almost voted for him!Or is it just another waking state artifact that Mahesh is attached to?On Jan 21, 2006, at 10:30 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either. Beyond being an analogy and using the platform of quantum mechanics to serve as an illustration for how consicousness works, I never saw an actual connection between the working of the mind and consciousness and physics. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Waking State Candy Ass Cafe (was Re: Typical Neo-Advaitin jargon)
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, although I think the candy ass thing is a great job aid personally, almost sutra like in its ability to turn the mind away from the illusion of waking state, everyone begins the journey by 'understanding' enlightenment. In other words, building a conceptual model of that which they are striving for. We all did it. True. Although I wonder from time to time whether it would have been easier to accept realization when it occurred if we had not been imprinted with so many false conceptual models for it, models that had to be dropped to make way for the reality of it. snip From my standpoint I don't think so- when it [the concepts and stories] crumbled, it crumbled quickly and completely. Even such a huge edifice as I had built was reduced to nothing in a day. There is such an overwhelming sense of both 'ah, now it is right' and the resulting freedom within our heads and hearts that no matter what has been there before is effortlessly let go of. There is simply no question, no comparison, no doubt. Getting run-over by the BUS renders previous mental concepts of THAT quite irrelevent quite quickly. Ha! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Best site on the web
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the technology of the Unified Field that TM and the TMSP is supposed to represent? I tried and I tried. I huffed and I puffed. But I couldn't ever, never grasp what the f the TMO meant by the technology of the Unified Field...other than, like I said, using it as an analogy for what was happening on the level of consciousness. Are you saying all of that was just a razzle dazzle marketing spiel? ...and when, pray tell, was anything that the TMO came up with anything but a marketing spiel? What did you think the Natural Law Party was...a real political party? It was a group of people from a cult who were instructed by their cult leader to do what was needed under election laws of the countries in which the NLP eventually appeared to go and create NLPs in each of those countries. Normal political parties have conventions and policy meetings at which they hash out platforms and policies...even if that happened with the NLP, the cult leader at the end of the day decided what would and wouldn't be the platform of the party. So it wasn't a real party at all but a marketing ploy...and a bad marketing ploy at that. Symbolic? Jungian archetypes of our collective unconsciousness? (LOL) Are you really telling me that TM and the TMSP is NOT a technology of the Unified Field? What about all those charts? Is John Hagelin a liar? gasp Everyone knows physicists don't lie. I almost voted for him! Or is it just another waking state artifact that Mahesh is attached to? On Jan 21, 2006, at 10:30 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either. Beyond being an analogy and using the platform of quantum mechanics to serve as an illustration for how consicousness works, I never saw an actual connection between the working of the mind and consciousness and physics. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either. Beyond being an analogy and using the platform of quantum mechanics to serve as an illustration for how consicousness works, I never saw an actual connection between the working of the mind and consciousness and physics. Oddly enough, Reality is far more profound and immediate than any working of quantum physics, in that all of us literally and immediately create the world we live in with our consciousness and the thoughts issuing from that consciousness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:00:01 -0500 To: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conversation: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Subject: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth snip This strikes me as a strange group for the West. Unlike Thailand or India, we have no tradition here of directly supporting monks. And unlike the traditional monks like the Benedictines, aligned and supported by the Catholic church, these guys have to beg regularly to support their lifestyles, living in poverty, and for what? It seems like a very strange thing to put oneself through...building castles in the air. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:00:01 -0500 To: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conversation: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Subject: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth snip This strikes me as a strange group for the West. Unlike Thailand or India, we have no tradition here of directly supporting monks. And unlike the traditional monks like the Benedictines, aligned and supported by the Catholic church, these guys have to beg regularly to support their lifestyles, living in poverty, and for what? It seems like a very strange thing to put oneself through...building castles in the air. They are not living in poverty though. The accomodations are very high class, I imagine the food also is expensive organic food. They may not have alot of cash, but compared to alot of America, they live quite nicely and the lifestyle is not too rough. I would not equate poverty with lack of cash entirely. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:00:01 -0500 To: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conversation: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Subject: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth snip This strikes me as a strange group for the West. Unlike Thailand or India, we have no tradition here of directly supporting monks. And unlike the traditional monks like the Benedictines, aligned and supported by the Catholic church, these guys have to beg regularly to support their lifestyles, living in poverty, and for what? It seems like a very strange thing to put oneself through...building castles in the air. There are many Western monks who have to work to support themselves, like the Trappists who sell fruitcake: http://www.monasterygreetings.com/Products.asp?PCID=14 and the Cistercian monks who sell imaging supplies: http://www.fastcompany.com/fast50_04/winners/mccoy.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
