Fwd: Re: [FairfieldLife] Vyaasa's comment on II 30

2007-09-23 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope this helps. It sure does! Thanks.

[FairfieldLife] Tough Question

2007-09-23 Thread John
Was John Paul II Euthanized? By JEFF ISRAELY/ROME Fri Sep 21, 12:25 PM ET In a provocative article, an Italian medical professor argues that Pope John Paul II didn't just simply slip away as his weakness and illness overtook him in April 2005. Intensive care specialist Dr. Lina Pavanelli

[FairfieldLife] How many times a day do you...?

2007-09-23 Thread cardemaister
One who eats once a day is a yogi. One who eats twice a day is a bhogi. One who eats thrice a day becomes a rogi. One who eats more than that is carried away. http://www.speaksanskrit.org/forum/viewtopic.php? p=853sid=b8703f3627df9cd830e1a7242f310101

[FairfieldLife] Re: How many times a day do you...?

2007-09-23 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One who eats once a day is a yogi. One who eats twice a day is a bhogi. One who eats thrice a day becomes a rogi. One who eats more than that is carried away. I've always tried to live by the dictum, Once a King,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread Vaj
On Sep 21, 2007, at 8:10 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I think that what may be going on is that a number of people who paid their dues in the TM movement don't realize how heavily they have been influenced by Patanjali and his hangups. He may have *been* enlightened. But he was also a Class A

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread Vaj
On Sep 22, 2007, at 5:25 PM, authfriend wrote: Tom didn't say enlightenment became words, he said words became enlightenment through the discrimination of the intellect, when the translucent intellect is as clear as the Self. But, it's important to point out, that the translation Tom is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread Vaj
On Sep 22, 2007, at 6:29 PM, emptybill wrote: Very accurate description of just how the culture of Vedanta was in Shankara's day. Quite dispassionate reporting too. Congradulations to you. We rarely see these kinds of simple, unleaved observations here of FFL. I find it refreshing. Even Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 22, 2007, at 6:29 PM, emptybill wrote: Very accurate description of just how the culture of Vedanta was in Shankara's day. Quite dispassionate reporting too. Congradulations to you. We rarely see these kinds

[FairfieldLife] Dr. John!

2007-09-23 Thread cardemaister
Please watch Doctor John Hagelin speak on Maharishi Channel right now! He's seems to be glowing of happiness and bliss!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 22, 2007, at 5:25 PM, authfriend wrote: Tom didn't say enlightenment became words, he said words became enlightenment through the discrimination of the intellect, when the translucent intellect is as clear as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 22, 2007, at 6:29 PM, emptybill wrote: Very accurate description of just how the culture of Vedanta was in Shankara's day. Quite dispassionate reporting too. Congradulations to you. We rarely see these kinds of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread Vaj
On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:15 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 22, 2007, at 5:25 PM, authfriend wrote: Tom didn't say enlightenment became words, he said words became enlightenment through the discrimination of the intellect,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:15 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Sep 22, 2007, at 5:25 PM, authfriend wrote: Tom didn't say enlightenment became words, he said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:15 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Sep 22, 2007, at 5:25 PM, authfriend wrote: Tom didn't say enlightenment became words, he said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Sep 22, 2007, at 6:29 PM, emptybill wrote: Very accurate description of just how the culture of Vedanta was in Shankara's day. Quite

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread Vaj
On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:40 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:15 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Sep 22, 2007, at 5:25 PM, authfriend wrote: Tom

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:40 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:15 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: What if you spent one year following every rule in the Bible?

2007-09-23 Thread new . morning
And there is the cafeteria of all religions and traditions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, thanks for the cite and the recommendation; this guy is great in his sincerity and earnestness. I love how he gets off on the whole idea of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread Vaj
On Sep 23, 2007, at 2:20 PM, authfriend wrote: Actually not. The verse Tom quoted refers to viveka-khyati my dear. Please review my previous posts, poopsie. The sutra Tom quoted refers to kaivalya, final liberation. Ah, I see where you are confused! Yes it does use that word Judy...in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 2:20 PM, authfriend wrote: Actually not. The verse Tom quoted refers to viveka-khyati my dear. Please review my previous posts, poopsie. The sutra Tom quoted refers to kaivalya, final

[FairfieldLife] Invincible America: Urgent message from Dr. John Hagelin

2007-09-23 Thread Dick Mays
http://invincibleamerica.org/ Please Read Immediately OPEN LETTER FROM DR. JOHN HAGELIN TO AMERICA'S YOGIC FLYERS September 23, 2007 Dear Fellow Governors and Sidhas: I had the great honor of announcing in July to Maharishi and the world press the results of the first year of our Invincible

[FairfieldLife] Latin American countries approach invincibility

2007-09-23 Thread michael florescu
http://globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1190237504319491 Latin American countries approach invincibility by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsTranslate This Article 23 September 2007 Dr Jose Luis Alvarez, Raja (Administrator) of Latin America for the Global

[FairfieldLife] Video: India on America

2007-09-23 Thread Bhairitu
Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnlMnf7t4t4

[FairfieldLife] Re: Video: India on America

2007-09-23 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnlMnf7t4t4 Too bad she can't danceI wonder, how much better would the world be without America? I guess everybody would be happier and war would just disappearmaybe someday

[FairfieldLife] I don't care what you call it...

2007-09-23 Thread TurquoiseB
...and I'm sorry, given whatever Hindu or Newage stuff you wish to project upon it, there is nothing quite like meeting someone *far* too young and *far* too beautiful for you in a bar -- in this case, the Corner Bar in Sitges...pool tables in the bar, good, cheap, single-malt Scotches at the bar

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ain't it awful? You work so hard trying to confuse me, and you're never successful. For the record, the very *definition* of paranoia.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization

2007-09-23 Thread tertonzeno
--Thanks, Bronte, I like your comments!. The statement, There's only the One is a true statement, but it's incomplete, since a certain Guru with a name is saying that. The Guru doesn't have a bodyhe is a body/mind as an individual as opposed to other individuals, in the relative sense. A

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread billy jim
OK Vaj, I'm going to enter the fray here. The way this conversation is preceding you’re going to get tired soon from the suffocating squeeze of the pythoness. (I actually mean this as a complement to Judy.) Then the conversation will attenuate into a final pair of mutual - “the pox on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread sinhlnx
--- Thanks, billy jim! During my first 6 weeks in the Army long ago they used to call us maggots. Let me get this straight: are you saying that Vaj is saying that MMY's TM can only facilitate people getting into CC, and not Unity? Is that a concise summary? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Auspicious Days for the Month of October 2007

2007-09-23 Thread jiva jivazz
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Ain't it awful? You work so hard trying to confuse me, and you're never successful. For the record, the very *definition* of paranoia. Hard to get

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So … let me try to restate your referenced argument in simplified form – one that even a fecal larvae like me can understand: FWIW, Vaj's argument is with Tom and with Shearer's translation of the Yoga Sutras, not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Ain't it awful? You work so hard trying to confuse me, and you're never successful. For the record, the very *definition* of paranoia. Spaeking of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar on Feelings

2007-09-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I worked with a teacher for many years who per- sonified the I can't tell you the 'truth' about enlightenment because there IS no 'truth' about enlightenment that can be put into words philos- ophy I have been

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar on Feelings

2007-09-23 Thread qntmpkt
--In other words, most descriptions of E. are fraught with a degree of error; and/or are incomplete, and may include contradictions. Nevertheless, it's amusing and sometimes informative to try! FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: I don't care what you call it...

2007-09-23 Thread off_world_beings
Yes folks, its sad but predictable. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and I'm sorry, given whatever Hindu or Newage stuff you wish to project upon it, there is nothing quite like meeting someone *far* too young and *far* too beautiful

[FairfieldLife] Re: I don't care what you call it...

2007-09-23 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and I'm sorry, given whatever Hindu or Newage stuff you wish to project upon it, there is nothing quite like meeting someone *far* too young and *far* too beautiful for you in a bar -- in this case, the Corner Bar

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread billy jim
I'm not sure that I should reply to you. You must be a devil since Sin is the better part of your name - and don't tell me its Sine. I think it's a sign. As far as Vaj is concerned, I wouldn't want to speak for him since he is the author of his own arguments. I'm actually waiting for this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread qntmpkt
--Maybe you were a Conqueror Worm, a genuine evolutionary hero. But see, amid the mimic rout A crawling shape intrude! A blood-red thing that writhes from out The scenic solitude! It writhes!–it writhes!–with mortal pangs The mimes become its food, And seraphs sob at vermin fangs In human gore

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread billy jim
Hmm. the r at the end must be for rishi. What else could explain such insights? I have to admit I'm hoping life in deva-land beats moping around feeling bad for humans. Angels ... mere sexless, boring slaves of yhvh - who needs them? The Houri-s sound so much better.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization

2007-09-23 Thread Ron
I suppose the paradox is there- maybe in thinking of the snake and string it clears it up- The significant thing is a process of ilimination for what is transcient and what is eternal. All that which is transcient has a reality to it but short lived and therefore no reality so a paradox

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Houri-s sound so much better. OK, I can't stand it any longer. With plural nouns, why do you put a hyphen between the word and the s?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization

2007-09-23 Thread Peter
Ron, unfortuanately you're wasting your breath on these mala covered samsarins who insist on individuality and can not recognize the function of the ego in this belief that somehow realization of That includes individuality. Poor deluded bhogis. By the way, I'm not saying this, so there. ---

Re: [FairfieldLife] The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization

2007-09-23 Thread Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
It doesn't take a genius nor a saint to witness the load of himsa in the edited and/or pseudo dialog. *I want every person to be complete in themselves. **Your himsa has no place in my mission.* *I will help all beings in every way I can promptly. * * * *I will not inflict pain or misfortune

[FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization

2007-09-23 Thread qntmpkt
---You're confusing unreal with non-existent. Relative existence (i.e. things in the sense of being apart from Consciousness), are unreal, but the relative things, people, etc; are not non- existent. They exist, but not as agreed upon by those ignorant of the Self. Your Guru still exists,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization

2007-09-23 Thread qntmpkt
---Excuse me: Ramana's Enlightenment day was 7-17-1896. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---You're confusing unreal with non-existent. Relative existence (i.e. things in the sense of being apart from Consciousness), are unreal, but the relative things,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization

2007-09-23 Thread Ron
Well again, the honesty of it for me is that there is still further to go, and therefore the parts not known by direct experience are accepted in faith, with the confirmation of my intuition That being the case, what I have heard is it is inevitable that all come to this Being-

[FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization

2007-09-23 Thread Ron
My interpretaion of the writting here is it is sincere, respectfull but it is all about that paradox where yes it is real even though it is relative but it is not real as well Great that you are reading from Ramana- My Guru would say you can never go wrong with Ramana, but no one is going to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar on Feelings

2007-09-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --In other words, most descriptions of E. are fraught with a degree of error; and/or are incomplete, and may include contradictions. Nevertheless, it's amusing and sometimes informative to try! Sure. What I was pointing

[FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization

2007-09-23 Thread new . morning
The discussion has been on no me. My experience, and interpretation of it, my take, is that there is no volitional I. There is apparatus that does stuff, here, now, but it all happens as innocently as thoughts come. The discussion has not dwelt (as far as I can see—an I have not read all the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization

2007-09-23 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well again, the honesty of it for me is that there is still further to go, and therefore the parts not known by direct experience are accepted in faith, with the confirmation of my intuition That being the case, what I