[FairfieldLife] Vegan Witches
If the ingredients are GMO corn, potatoes, and lettuce, is it still an evil potion? [https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/969918_14199779600\ 6153_1021171517_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq driving to a hot date in Paris
Merudandasez: aH The girl was actually Claude Lelouche's real-life girlfriend whom he'Dd asked to appear upon the car's arrival. Could it be that the engine sound track didn't match the speeds involved? As the Messy Nessy Chic page explained, the soundtrack was taken from his own car (a Ferrari 275GTB, seen below), whereas the film was shot from a big Mercedes 6.9 sedan. Obviously, the Ferrari had no bumper upon which to mount the camera. ( However, if he'd been driving it, the film would have probably been seven minutes long instead of nine. :-) It was fun seeing what Lelouch was like in his young, wild, and crazy days, though. By that time he'd won one Oscar (for A Man and a Woman) been nominated for another (for Toute une vie, released in English as And Now My Love), and was probably craving some of the excitement of his earlier Nouvelle Vague days. For time -travel-sightseeing-tour I prefer Van der Elsken and his 'Stream-of-Consciousness' photobooks of so many world location including old one (ha- not gor me)of my beloved Hongkong and Japan Van der Elsken explored seedy city underbellies and rugged backwoods with complete surrender to his environment. http://bintphotobooks.blogspot.co.at/2010/04/streetlife-amsterdam-1975-e\ d-van-der.html http://bintphotobooks.blogspot.co.at/2010/04/streetlife-amsterdam-1975-\ ed-van-der.html Yup. That's what Amsterdam looked like when I first started going there. Parts of the city still do. :-) Paris http://bintphotobooks.blogspot.co.at/2011/10/ah-les-parisiennes-juliette\ -greco.html http://bintphotobooks.blogspot.co.at/2011/10/ah-les-parisiennes-juliett\ e-greco.html Paris *doesn't* still look like that. I guess fashions change faster in the city of fashion than they do in the city of hippies. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Giving
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This three-minute clip is an ad, for a Thai telecommunications company. That said, you'll want to watch it, because it contains better storytelling in those three minutes (not to mention a more uplifting message) than most of the full-length movies produced these days. http://gawker.com/this-three-minute-commercial-puts-full-length-hollywoo\ d-1309506149 od-1309506149 I couldn't help noticing that the two ego-bots preferred the film about people doing something nice for themselves to the film about people doing something nice for other people. What do you think *that* reveals about the long-term effects of the TM program? :-)
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[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Jesus, you people! Let's shoot the messenger - Kapor realized what was being offered was not what was advertised. He put all his hopes and dreams into Marshy and his bogus teachings and went on straighten himself out and become a mover and shaker in computer and internet technology. I take my hat off to him. No reason to revile him and his experience just because he tells it like it is. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You should have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by merely closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if you believed it you have only yourself to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to anti-authoritarianism. Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM? Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then started getting acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a serious try to see if that could have some calming effect. I got hooked in to TM and eventually made the decision to go through advanced training to become an initiator, an instructor. Tricycle: How long did you stay involved with TM? Kapor: I was involved for seven years. It all ultimately came to a head in 1976. The movement went into a new phase and Maharishi started talking about siddhis, powers, and techniques for doing levitation and other things. This created so much cognitive dissonance in me that I didn’t know what to do. I had to find out if it was real or not, and I wanted to believe that it was real, but something in me said that it couldn’t possibly be real. People weren’t really going to levitate. So I went to Switzerland for the sixth-month course on powers. I went and I fell apart. They were using us as experimental subjects. There was fasting involved and various austerities that come out of Hindu traditions, enemas and various bizarre food combining rituals. A lot of madness got released. After five months of this I said whatever problems I might or might not have, TM is not making them better, it is making them worse and I decided to leave. This was like leaving everything, because I had severed all of my other ties and relations: no job, no career, no marriage and no prospects. I got up in the middle of the night and walked to the train station. I felt like I was crossing from slavery into freedom, from one intolerable situation into the great unknown. By the way, no one really levitates. I fully satisfied myself as to that. http://www.kapor.com/writing/tricycle-interview/
[FairfieldLife] RE: Spiritual Practice
[FairfieldLife] Fly like an eagle
For those who are still convinced that the TM-Sidhi program is going to allow them to fly someday, but are a tad impatient, this is what it'll look like: http://devour.com/video/eagle-pov/ http://devour.com/video/eagle-pov/ I tried to find more appropriate and realistic footage, but so far no one has figured out how to strap a GoPro camera to a pig.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Giving
I admit, I enjoyed the Thai telecom piece over the chasing your dream piece. But I wouldn't really draw any conclusions about it. (-: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Giving --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This three-minute clip is an ad, for a Thai telecommunications company. That said, you'll want to watch it, because it contains better storytelling in those three minutes (not to mention a more uplifting message) than most of the full-length movies produced these days. http://gawker.com/this-three-minute-commercial-puts-full-length-hollywoo\ d-1309506149 od-1309506149 I couldn't help noticing that the two ego-bots preferred the film about people doing something nice for themselves to the film about people doing something nice for other people. What do you think *that* reveals about the long-term effects of the TM program? :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: Spiritual Practice
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Giving
Judy, I really like them both. The one that turq posted made me feel deeply and I did shed a few tears. And the one you posted uplifted me and did bring goose bumps all over. The banquet of FFL! Post #357918, the one turq couldn't help but NOT notice! From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Giving --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This three-minute clip is an ad, for a Thai telecommunications company. That said, you'll want to watch it, because it contains better storytelling in those three minutes (not to mention a more uplifting message) than most of the full-length movies produced these days. http://gawker.com/this-three-minute-commercial-puts-full-length-hollywoo\ d-1309506149 od-1309506149 I couldn't help noticing that the two ego-bots preferred the film about people doing something nice for themselves to the film about people doing something nice for other people. What do you think *that* reveals about the long-term effects of the TM program? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Can you hear the difference?
Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story
http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story It's worth pointing out that there is no other company in Silicon Valley that could plausibly make such an announcement. Smaller outfits don't have the money; larger ones don't have the bones. Apple may have set the standard for surprise unveilings but, excepting a major new product every few years, these mostly qualify as short-term. Google's modus operandi, in comparison, is gonzo airdrops into deep Wait, really? territory. Last week Apple announced a gold iPhone; what did you do this week, Google? Oh, we founded a company that might one day defeat death itself. Read more: http://techland.time.com/2013/09/18/google-vs-death/#ixzz2fH9PkdXq
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Hey Mikey. How you livin'. Listen, I was on the six month course. The first one actually, where the experimentation was rampant. Enemas, diet control, (or at least many theories to consider). Rick was on that course too. I guess for Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left. I think he may have been on a later course. Or at least I don't remember him on my course. But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it. I think what Jim is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, and you will have to clear away any wreckage. Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to take a break. And of course, so what if you do. I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from the program and then moved on - either with prejudice or without prejudice. I think that's what Jim is saying. But at some point, if you decide to take up the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some heavy lifting again. P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads. More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings. P.S.S. The food was...excellent!! From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu food combining rituals, not that early in the Movement history anyway. I have a hell of a lot more admiration and respect for Kapor for getting himself out and making something substantive of his life as opposed to asses like Russel Brand and Howard Stern. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You should have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by merely closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if you believed it you have only yourself to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to anti-authoritarianism. Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM? Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then started getting
[FairfieldLife] Re: Giving
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Steve Sundur steve.sundur@... wrote: I admit, I enjoyed the Thai telecom piece over the chasing your dream piece. But I wouldn't really draw any conclusions about it. (-: I was just having a little fun, but the point is IMO a valid one. Haven't you noticed that most of the goals of TMers are self-serving? To realize *my* enlightenment, so that *I* can become more happy and successful. Even the save the world goals are self-serving in that it's *us* who radiate such powerful Woo Woo that *we* change the world. I'm just pointing out that there are strong spiritual traditions that don't even *have* the goal of personal enlightenment, much less the New Agey personal success and happiness meme. Their whole emphasis is on giving, and on selfless service -- doing for others. One of the most extreme contrasts between these two approaches to spiritual goals has to do with what the different traditions think of as their Ultimate Goal. For most Hindus (and Maharishi, as one), the UG is for the drop to merge with the ocean, to become the Absolute, lose all individuality, and get off the wheel of life, death, rebirth, and karma forever. Those who follow the left-hand path of Buddhism, on the other hand, *don't* seek annihilation; instead they seek as an UG rebirth as a boddhisattva, incarnating over and over in endless worlds to help other people. I'm just pointing out that giving was never a big thing for Maharishi, and thus for many long-term TMers. *He* expected to get paid for teaching it, and the TM teachers he trained in turn expected to get paid for teaching it. I've been part of other organizations in which *no one* gets paid to teach or further the teaching. Everyone (including the teachers at the very top) are expected to have their own jobs or sources of income, and anyone who teaches 1) does so for free, and 2) pays all of the expenses related to teaching themselves. Those who do so (and I've been one of them) consider this an honor and an opportunity to advance spiritually, not an imposition. Perhaps this last paragraph should serve as an answer to Buck's question about where to send people who can't afford TM but want to learn to meditate. *He* knows how to teach people to meditate, if I remember correctly. Couldn't he just do so, for free? And if someone dares to say, No, he couldn't, because the TM organization that Maharishi founded wouldn't like it or wouldn't allow it, doesn't that kinda make my point for me? Maharishi's idea of giving was that it was unidirec- tional; everyone was expected to give to him. The TMO he left behind him continues with that same expectation. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Giving --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This three-minute clip is an ad, for a Thai telecommunications company. That said, you'll want to watch it, because it contains better storytelling in those three minutes (not to mention a more uplifting message) than most of the full-length movies produced these days. http://gawker.com/this-three-minute-commercial-puts-full-length-hollywoo\ d-1309506149 od-1309506149 I couldn't help noticing that the two ego-bots preferred the film about people doing something nice for themselves to the film about people doing something nice for other people. What do you think *that* reveals about the long-term effects of the TM program? :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Steve, thanks, it's good to hear the other side of all this. The most I ever rounded was 4 months when I did what was then called the prep courses. This was back in summer of 77 before ayurveda was incorporated. Sadly no Upanishads but definitely some heavy lifting as you say. That continues now and then. But just in the last week, my YF has acquired a devotional feeling! Very out of the blue, but definitely wonderful (-: Hope you and family are well and happy. From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor Hey Mikey. How you livin'. Listen, I was on the six month course. The first one actually, where the experimentation was rampant. Enemas, diet control, (or at least many theories to consider). Rick was on that course too. I guess for Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left. I think he may have been on a later course. Or at least I don't remember him on my course. But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it. I think what Jim is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, and you will have to clear away any wreckage. Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to take a break. And of course, so what if you do. I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from the program and then moved on - either with prejudice or without prejudice. I think that's what Jim is saying. But at some point, if you decide to take up the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some heavy lifting again. P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads. More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings. P.S.S. The food was...excellent!! From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu food combining rituals, not that early in the Movement history anyway. I have a hell of a lot more admiration and respect for Kapor for getting himself out and making something substantive of his life as opposed to asses like Russel Brand and Howard Stern. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You should have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by merely closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if you believed it you have only yourself to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi
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[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
[FairfieldLife] Navy Gunman Spent Night in Massachusetts Buddhist Temple
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the Movement than I do now. From: Steve Sundur steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor Hey Mikey. How you livin'. Listen, I was on the six month course. The first one actually, where the experimentation was rampant. Enemas, diet control, (or at least many theories to consider). Rick was on that course too. I guess for Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left. I think he may have been on a later course. Or at least I don't remember him on my course. But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it. I think what Jim is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, and you will have to clear away any wreckage. Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to take a break. And of course, so what if you do. I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from the program and then moved on - either with prejudice or without prejudice. I think that's what Jim is saying. But at some point, if you decide to take up the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some heavy lifting again. P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads. More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings. P.S.S. The food was...excellent!! From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu food combining rituals, not that early in the Movement history anyway. I have a hell of a lot more admiration and respect for Kapor for getting himself out and making something substantive of his life as opposed to asses like Russel Brand and Howard Stern. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You should have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by merely closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if you believed it you have only yourself to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian
[FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the Movement than I do now. I was on quite a few courses on which participants suffered from heavy unstressing. ALL of the most severe cases I saw occur were dealt with using the same NOPA solution. That is, if none of the standard repeated cliches helped to resolve the problem, the person suffering from the heavy unstressing was sent home, and everyone wiped their hands and said Not Our Problem Anymore. From: Steve Sundur steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor  Hey Mikey. How you livin'. Listen, I was on the six month course. The first one actually, where the experimentation was rampant. Enemas, diet control, (or at least many theories to consider). Rick was on that course too. I guess for Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left. I think he may have been on a later course. Or at least I don't remember him on my course.  But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it. I think what Jim is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, and you will have to clear away any wreckage.  Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to take a break. And of course, so what if you do.  I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from the program and then moved on - either with prejudice or without prejudice.  I think that's what Jim is saying. But at some point, if you decide to take up the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some heavy lifting again.  P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads. More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings.  P.S.S. The food was...excellent!! From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor  Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu food combining rituals, not that early in the Movement history anyway. I have a hell of a lot more admiration and respect for Kapor for getting himself out and making something substantive of his life as opposed to asses like Russel Brand and Howard Stern. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You should have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by merely closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if you believed it you have only yourself to blame. --- In
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu food combining rituals, not that early in the Movement history anyway. I have a hell of a lot more admiration and respect for Kapor for getting himself out and making something substantive of his life as opposed to asses like Russel Brand and Howard Stern. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You should have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by merely closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if you believed it you have only yourself to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to anti-authoritarianism. Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM? Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then started getting acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a serious try to see if that could have some calming effect. I got hooked in to TM and eventually made the decision to go through advanced training to become an initiator, an instructor. Tricycle: How long did you stay involved with TM? Kapor: I was involved for seven years. It all ultimately came to a head in 1976. The movement went into a new phase and Maharishi started talking about siddhis, powers, and techniques for doing levitation and other things. This created so much cognitive dissonance in me that I didn’t know what to do. I had to find out if it was real or not, and I wanted to believe that it was real, but something in me said that it couldn’t possibly be real. People weren’t really going to levitate. So I went to Switzerland for the sixth-month course on powers. I went and I fell apart. They were using us as experimental subjects. There was fasting involved and various austerities that come out of Hindu traditions, enemas and various bizarre food combining rituals. A lot of madness got released. After five months of this I said whatever problems I might or might not have, TM is not making them better, it is making them worse and I decided to leave. This was like leaving everything, because I had severed all of my other ties and relations: no job, no career, no marriage and no prospects. I got up in the middle of the night and walked to the train station. I felt like I was crossing from slavery into freedom, from one intolerable situation into the great unknown. By the
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Giving
[FairfieldLife] Governor Pat Quinn of Illiniois Declaration for September 21, 2013
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Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The latest shooter liked to meditate
As you mentioned earlier, it's OK to interpret scripture but altering it to fit that interpretation goes too far. Buck should have never followed it with * Mathew 18:20*. In my view, FWIW, scripture is supposed to be a fixed point, like the north star and interpretation should move around it according to the times and the capacity of those that read it, understand it. Charlie Lutze spoke about the meaning of the *cross*, that it was more than a symbol of the crucifixion. It was a vertical bar with a horizontal bar. The horizontal represented life, beginning to end and the vertical was life's depth. Where they intersect is where we are.Is it high or is it low? Scripture can mean different things to people based on their *awareness*, so it should never be altered. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The latest shooter liked to meditate Thank you, Mike. Nice to get some agreement for a change! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dit-dit- dit-dittos! From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The latest shooter liked to meditate There has been a great deal of twisting by TMers of Christian Scripture (including by Maharishi) to make it appear to be consonant with the TM teaching. I'm strongly against that. The TM teaching ought to be able to stand on its own. There are plenty of naive TMers who buy into it, and I think it's important to be scrupulous about our use of Scripture so as not to mislead them. As I told Buck, he could easily have cited what he wrote as a free paraphrase or loose interpretation of Matthew 18:20 according to TM, and let everyone decide on their own whether that made sense, rather than citing it as Matthew 18:20.. In mainstream Christianity, Jesus is not Christ Consciousness or the One Self or the Unified Field. Granted at this point he wouldn't be embodied, but he is understood as a divine personal being to whom one can relate directly, not just a type of higher consciousness. I also think to equate There am I in the midst of them with The Unified Field will be found multiplied in effect is a huge stretch, especially since the Unified Field is impersonal, whereas Jesus is personal. If you make it abstract enough, you can equate just about anything with anything else, no matter how far apart the concrete versions are. At a certain point, that sort of attempt becomes underhanded and deliberately misleading. And it shows a lack of respect for the original. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Buck is being playful. Does anyone really imagine that the following quote could be lifted from the New Testament? “Where two or three are gathered in effective transcending meditation there the Unified Field will be found multiplied in effect”. And, as happens, as an interpretation of what the New Testament writer was getting at, Buck's is an arguable (loose) interpretation. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Matthew 18:20 in effective transcending meditation= together in my name. . . What are the Christians doing together in his name if not praying, ie, meditating? Matthew isn't talking about singing third-rate hymns. the Unified Field will be found multiplied in effect= am I in the midst of them. . . The I here does not refer to Jesus, a particular first-century rabbi, but to Christ Consciousness, ie, the One Self, ie, the Unified Field. Perhaps Buck should do a complete translation of the Bible . . . PS: rereally needs to come to FF and see what a real bliss ninny is like!: if we could go back in a time machine to AD 50 it would be funny if all the early Christians we met were in bliss ninny mode. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Exactly Jason! Buck was simply being playful. It's clear to me he wasn't lying because it was not his intention to deceive. Nor was he blaspheming as Xeno suggested. Maybe Xeno was being playful too? Anyway, Buck wasn't even being a bliss ninny. If anybody thinks somebody on FFL is a bliss ninny, that anybody really needs to come to FF and see what a real bliss ninny is like! I stand with Buck and Col Leed. Sgt. Share
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
You are not even making any sense. Following your logic, because you have NOT been meditating, you are the cause of the Colorado storm that killed six people. It makes just as much sense. You didn't even pray for the poor people. Go figure. Or, a crazy guy killed a dozen people at a U.S. Navy shipyard because he played violent video games at home or viewed a lot of violent movies on TV about taking drugs and killing people. On 9/19/2013 6:03 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Jesus, you people! Let's shoot the messenger Jesus, you people! Let's shoot the messenger - Kapor realized what was being offered was not what was advertised. He put all his hopes and dreams into Marshy and his bogus teachings and went on straighten himself out and become a mover and shaker in computer and internet technology. I take my hat off to him. No reason to revile him and his experience just because he tells it like it is. *From:* awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You should have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by merely closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if you believed it you have only yourself to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to anti-authoritarianism. Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM? Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then started getting acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a serious try to see if that could have some calming effect. I got hooked in to TM and eventually made the decision to go through advanced training to become an initiator, an instructor. Tricycle: How long did you stay involved with TM? Kapor: I was involved for seven years. It all ultimately came to a head in 1976. The movement went into a new phase and Maharishi started talking about siddhis, powers, and techniques for doing levitation and other things. This created so much cognitive dissonance in me that I didn’t know what to do. I had to find out if it was real or not, and I wanted to believe that it was real, but something in me said that it couldn’t possibly be real. People weren’t really going to levitate. So I went to Switzerland for the sixth-month course on powers. I went and I fell apart. They were using us as experimental subjects. There was fasting involved and various austerities that come out of Hindu traditions, enemas and various bizarre food combining rituals. A lot of madness got released. After five months of this I said whatever problems I might or might not have, TM is not making them better, it is making them worse and I decided to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Giving
Some folks have likened TM to the McDonalds of meditation - it's more like the prosperity gospel of spiritual endeavors. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Giving --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Steve Sundur steve.sundur@... wrote: I admit, I enjoyed the Thai telecom piece over the chasing your dream piece. But I wouldn't really draw any conclusions about it. (-: I was just having a little fun, but the point is IMO a valid one. Haven't you noticed that most of the goals of TMers are self-serving? To realize *my* enlightenment, so that *I* can become more happy and successful. Even the save the world goals are self-serving in that it's *us* who radiate such powerful Woo Woo that *we* change the world. I'm just pointing out that there are strong spiritual traditions that don't even *have* the goal of personal enlightenment, much less the New Agey personal success and happiness meme. Their whole emphasis is on giving, and on selfless service -- doing for others. One of the most extreme contrasts between these two approaches to spiritual goals has to do with what the different traditions think of as their Ultimate Goal. For most Hindus (and Maharishi, as one), the UG is for the drop to merge with the ocean, to become the Absolute, lose all individuality, and get off the wheel of life, death, rebirth, and karma forever. Those who follow the left-hand path of Buddhism, on the other hand, *don't* seek annihilation; instead they seek as an UG rebirth as a boddhisattva, incarnating over and over in endless worlds to help other people. I'm just pointing out that giving was never a big thing for Maharishi, and thus for many long-term TMers. *He* expected to get paid for teaching it, and the TM teachers he trained in turn expected to get paid for teaching it. I've been part of other organizations in which *no one* gets paid to teach or further the teaching. Everyone (including the teachers at the very top) are expected to have their own jobs or sources of income, and anyone who teaches 1) does so for free, and 2) pays all of the expenses related to teaching themselves. Those who do so (and I've been one of them) consider this an honor and an opportunity to advance spiritually, not an imposition. Perhaps this last paragraph should serve as an answer to Buck's question about where to send people who can't afford TM but want to learn to meditate. *He* knows how to teach people to meditate, if I remember correctly. Couldn't he just do so, for free? And if someone dares to say, No, he couldn't, because the TM organization that Maharishi founded wouldn't like it or wouldn't allow it, doesn't that kinda make my point for me? Maharishi's idea of giving was that it was unidirec- tional; everyone was expected to give to him. The TMO he left behind him continues with that same expectation. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Giving --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This three-minute clip is an ad, for a Thai telecommunications company. That said, you'll want to watch it, because it contains better storytelling in those three minutes (not to mention a more uplifting message) than most of the full-length movies produced these days. http://gawker.com/this-three-minute-commercial-puts-full-length-hollywoo\ d-1309506149 od-1309506149 I couldn't help noticing that the two ego-bots preferred the film about people doing something nice for themselves to the film about people doing something nice for other people. What do you think *that* reveals about the long-term effects of the TM program? :-)
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story
thanks, Alex, sorry, here's the untruncated version: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Daily+Newsletterutm_campaign=06e2c90c8a-UA-946742-1utm_medium=emailutm_term=0_6de721fb33-06e2c90c8a-282061598 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story Share's link doesn't work in either email or the website, and I don't know if the problem lies with Yahoo or Share. So, here's the link again to see if Neo can make it work: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story It's worth pointing out that there is no other company in Silicon Valley that could plausibly make such an announcement. Smaller outfits don't have the money; larger ones don't have the bones. Apple may have set the standard for surprise unveilings but, excepting a major new product every few years, these mostly qualify as short-term. Google's modus operandi, in comparison, is gonzo airdrops into deep Wait, really? territory. Last week Apple announced a gold iPhone; what did you do this week, Google? Oh, we founded a company that might one day defeat death itself. Read more: http://techland.time.com/2013/09/18/google-vs-death/#ixzz2fH9PkdXq
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story
yep, this one doesn't work either. Anyway, probably one could go to Kurzweil and then search on Calico. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story thanks, Alex, sorry, here's the untruncated version: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Daily+Newsletterutm_campaign=06e2c90c8a-UA-946742-1utm_medium=emailutm_term=0_6de721fb33-06e2c90c8a-282061598 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story Share's link doesn't work in either email or the website, and I don't know if the problem lies with Yahoo or Share. So, here's the link again to see if Neo can make it work: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story It's worth pointing out that there is no other company in Silicon Valley that could plausibly make such an announcement. Smaller outfits don't have the money; larger ones don't have the bones. Apple may have set the standard for surprise unveilings but, excepting a major new product every few years, these mostly qualify as short-term. Google's modus operandi, in comparison, is gonzo airdrops into deep Wait, really? territory. Last week Apple announced a gold iPhone; what did you do this week, Google? Oh, we founded a company that might one day defeat death itself. Read more: http://techland.time.com/2013/09/18/google-vs-death/#ixzz2fH9PkdXq
[FairfieldLife] Posting link via Yahoo mail
http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being?
[FairfieldLife] Posting a link the wrong way
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Posting link via Yahoo mail
thanks again Alex From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FFL Post FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Posting link via Yahoo mail http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Are we living in the end times?
Well, noozguru, I saw what happened once when I dropped my laptop. Does that count even though it didn't say ouch? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Are we living in the end times? Yeah, just see what happens if the CPU overheats. :-D On 09/18/2013 02:29 PM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, are you saying that computers attempt to stay in their comfort zone? If yes, what is that for a computer? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Are we living in the end times? Computers compute. They are little like a gazillion calculators. AI experts have concluded that the human mind doesn't work that way. It learns patterns instead of calculating. You can emulate that with a computer though. Our minds seem complicated but in really what drives us is trying to stay in a comfort zone. The simplest creatures also work this way. On 09/18/2013 12:00 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Jason, AI in computers are only mimicking the real consciousness of human beings. Computer intelligence will only be as good as the human programmers who created it. For example, it is a fact that an IBM computer was able to beat Kasparov in a chess championship setting. But it was programmed to calculate possibilities in chess moves by brute force. The real consciousness comes from the humans who programmed the computer. IMO, this will hold true for any other developments in AI in the future. In the end, computers will only be silicon chips (even quantum chips) pretending to have human consciousness. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote: --- s3raphita s3raphita@... wrote: The point of the Chinese Room thought experiment being to show that consciousness can't be reduced to computation (as the advocates of AI like to pretend* they believe). Searle is right about that. --- bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote: Did you mean to say that the advocates of AI are lying* about what they believe? If so, I thought your comment was interesting since *pretending* is the only way a computer program will ever pass The Turing Test (is it possible the programs are advocating for themselves); Eugene Goostman---to date, the computer program with the most successful attempt at The Turing Test (29%)---got as far as it did by *pretending* to be a 13 year-old Ukrainian male who spoke English as a second language (rumours that Share is related to Eugene are completely unfounded). What he wouldn't go on to see was that consciousness being irreducible it is also basic. All explanations of the Cosmos must come down to some element more essential than what is being explained. That game can't go on for ever otherwise you have an infinite regress. Something has (or somethings have) to be basic and consciousness [better awareness] being that thing (or one of those things) it follows immediately that Darwinian Theory which postulates that consciousness is a late development in evolutionary history is clearly wrong. Q.E.D. --- bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote: If the use of adornment could be construed as an attempt to *pretend* to be something other than what we are, and if adornment is an important indicator used by archeologists to identify Homo sapiens (it takes human consciousness to understand we can influence the perception of others), when studying the fossils of hominids, is there still hope that computers will learn to lie better and eventually pass The
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buckifying Scripture
Ann, yep, guilty, vain about looking younger than age. Big fat ego too. Very bad person, off with my head, etc. (-: From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buckifying Scripture --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: I get to see people stunned when I tell them my age. Oh, vanity! And guess what? There was another in that brand line that featured even more than 30 billion! Is more better? From: Ann Woelfle Bater awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Buckifying Scripture Share, I think you should eschew the senior variety (sounds like dog food) and stick with the regular version. For one, thinking of yourself as senior is not the way to go. And secondly, guts are guts and they all require probiotics. I seriously doubt the senior version is much different, when it comes to hundreds of millions of good bacteria available in one capsule, and you are just buying into America's penchant for obsessing on the aging population. Viva la revolution!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Navy Gunman Spent Night in Massachusetts Buddhist Temple
Deny everything, shift blame, be bitter: Let's blame it on the Buddhists. Everyone knows they are supporters of that rascal meditator guy, the Dalai Lama of Tibet! That way, we can get back at the TurquoiseB for once joining a Buddhist cult. Go figure. On 9/19/2013 7:34 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: The former Navy reservist who authorities say killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard visited a Buddhist temple The former Navy reservist who authorities say killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard visited a Buddhist temple in Massachusetts last month where he talked about noises in his head. Eang Tan, a board member at the Thai Buddhist temple in Raynham, says Aaron Alexis visited the house of worship on Aug. 18. Tan tells the Taunton Daily Gazette ( http://bit.ly/15F2Iz4 ) that as soon as temple officials recognized Alexis on TV newscasts after Monday's shooting, they contacted police. Tan says Alexis addressed temple members in fluent Thai and asked for a place to spend the night. When they asked why he didn't go to a hotel, Tan says Alexis said couldn't sleep in a hotel because of the noises in his head. Tan says Alexis spent one night, then left. - Good thing the Buddhists helped him out, without alerting mental health authorities. That way, a month later, he was able to fulfill his earthly desire of mass murder. Way to go, Buddhists! Help all sentient beings - well, one out of twelve, anyway.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story
Share, you might try using the free - tinyurl.com - to make a long url a short one - did I mention that it's free? http://tinyurl.com http://www.tinyurl.com Then, you copy the tiny url and paste it into the url text box of your message and click on Send. Was this tip helpful? On 9/19/2013 9:39 AM, Share Long wrote: thanks, Alex, sorry, here's the untruncated version: thanks, Alex, sorry, here's the untruncated version: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Daily+Newsletterutm_campaign=06e2c90c8a-UA-946742-1utm_medium=emailutm_term=0_6de721fb33-06e2c90c8a-282061598 http:/// *From:* j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:59 AM *Subject:* RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story Share's link doesn't work in either email or the website, and I don't know if the problem lies with Yahoo or Share. So, here's the link again to see if Neo can make it work: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being? *From:* turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:50 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story cover_0930 It's worth pointing out that there is no other company in Silicon Valley that could plausibly make such an announcement. Smaller outfits don't have the money; larger ones don't have the bones. Apple may have set the standard for surprise unveilings but, excepting a major new product every few years, these mostly qualify as short-term. Google's modus operandi, in comparison, is gonzo airdrops into deep Wait, really? territory. Last week Apple announced a gold iPhone; what did you do this week, Google? Oh, we founded a company that might one day defeat death itself. Read more: http://techland.time.com/2013/09/18/google-vs-death/#ixzz2fH9PkdXq
RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
I suggest you read the interview and then make comments - as much as I like Doc, he is still wearing rosy colored glasses where maree-chee and company are concerned. But he's a fine feller anyway. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Jesus, you people! Let's shoot the messenger - Kapor realized what was being offered was not what was advertised. He put all his hopes and dreams into Marshy and his bogus teachings and went on straighten himself out and become a mover and shaker in computer and internet technology. I take my hat off to him. No reason to revile him and his experience just because he tells it like it is. I don't revile anyone for leaving the Movement or who became disillusioned or even bitter about their experience there. I was just making a general statement about naive expectations when it comes to those who expect the world for very little effort. I didn't even read the interview, I was addressing what the Doc was saying. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You should have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by merely closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if you believed it you have only yourself to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to anti-authoritarianism. Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM? Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then started getting acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a serious try to see if that could have some calming effect. I got hooked in to TM and eventually made the decision to go through advanced training to become an initiator, an instructor. Tricycle: How long did you stay involved with TM? Kapor: I was involved for seven years. It all ultimately came to a head in 1976. The movement went into a new phase and Maharishi started talking about siddhis, powers, and techniques for doing levitation and other things. This created so much cognitive dissonance in me that I didn’t know what to do. I had to find out if it was real or not, and I wanted to believe that it was real, but something in me said that it couldn’t possibly be real. People weren’t really going to levitate. So I went to Switzerland for the sixth-month course on powers. I went and I fell apart. They were using us as experimental subjects. There was fasting involved and various austerities that come out of Hindu traditions, enemas and various bizarre food combining rituals. A lot of madness got released.
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Good Reason to cancel Verizon
Must have been one of those *compassionate conservatism* programs. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Good Reason to cancel Verizon You know it was Bush who started that program, right? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hell Yeah! Getcha an Obamaphone! From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Good Reason to cancel Verizon A company president like this is why Hitler was able to come to power. http://rt.com/news/verizon-president-customer-centric-015/ Mr. Stratton wants you all to be good little sheeple and obey the government. And of course buy all the shit he sells too. Glad I left Veri$on last year.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Buckifying Scripture
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor
So during the course nothing substantive was done for these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more asanas or something? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the Movement than I do now. I was on quite a few courses on which participants suffered from heavy unstressing. ALL of the most severe cases I saw occur were dealt with using the same NOPA solution. That is, if none of the standard repeated cliches helped to resolve the problem, the person suffering from the heavy unstressing was sent home, and everyone wiped their hands and said Not Our Problem Anymore. From: Steve Sundur steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor  Hey Mikey. How you livin'. Listen, I was on the six month course. The first one actually, where the experimentation was rampant. Enemas, diet control, (or at least many theories to consider). Rick was on that course too. I guess for Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left. I think he may have been on a later course. Or at least I don't remember him on my course.  But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it. I think what Jim is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, and you will have to clear away any wreckage.  Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to take a break. And of course, so what if you do.  I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from the program and then moved on - either with prejudice or without prejudice.  I think that's what Jim is saying. But at some point, if you decide to take up the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some heavy lifting again.  P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads. More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings.  P.S.S. The food was...excellent!! From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor  Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu food combining rituals, not that early in the Movement history anyway. I have a hell of a lot more admiration and respect for Kapor for getting himself out and making something substantive of his life as opposed to asses like Russel Brand and Howard Stern. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too easily is either not worth it or will not be
[FairfieldLife] RE: The latest shooter liked to meditate
[FairfieldLife] One more mangled link test
http://http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being? It occurred to me that perhaps Share is pasting in the URL immediately following the http:// in the Insert Link window. In that window, the http:// is highlighted, and if you right click and paste in the link, it pastes over the http://. If for whatever reason, the http:// is left in and the link pasted after it, the link will not work.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story
very helpful, punditster sir. I had saved a similar post but it was lost in a sea of saved posts about tech matters (-: From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story Share, you might try using the free - tinyurl.com - to make a long url a short one - did I mention that it's free? http://tinyurl.com Then, you copy the tiny url and paste it into the url text box of your message and click on Send. Was this tip helpful? On 9/19/2013 9:39 AM, Share Long wrote: thanks, Alex, sorry, here's the untruncated version: thanks, Alex, sorry, here's the untruncated version: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Daily+Newsletterutm_campaign=06e2c90c8a-UA-946742-1utm_medium=emailutm_term=0_6de721fb33-06e2c90c8a-282061598 From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story Share's link doesn't work in either email or the website, and I don't know if the problem lies with Yahoo or Share. So, here's the link again to see if Neo can make it work: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story It's worth pointing out that there is no other company in Silicon Valley that could plausibly make such an announcement. Smaller outfits don't have the money; larger ones don't have the bones. Apple may have set the standard for surprise unveilings but, excepting a major new product every few years, these mostly qualify as short-term. Google's modus operandi, in comparison, is gonzo airdrops into deep Wait, really? territory. Last week Apple announced a gold iPhone; what did you do this week, Google? Oh, we founded a company that might one day defeat death itself. Read more: http://techland.time.com/2013/09/18/google-vs-death/#ixzz2fH9PkdXq
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buckifying Scripture
Yay and thanks. though probably won't be under 70 posts this week )-: From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buckifying Scripture --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ann, yep, guilty, vain about looking younger than age. Big fat ego too. Very bad person, off with my head, etc. (-: Better than a big fat butt at least (in vanity's eyes at any rate). I am not sure you taking pride in your youthful looks is reason to lop off your offending head, however. You can keep it for now. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buckifying Scripture --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: I get to see people stunned when I tell them my age. Oh, vanity! And guess what? There was another in that brand line that featured even more than 30 billion! Is more better? From: Ann Woelfle Bater awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Buckifying Scripture Share, I think you should eschew the senior variety (sounds like dog food) and stick with the regular version. For one, thinking of yourself as senior is not the way to go. And secondly, guts are guts and they all require probiotics. I seriously doubt the senior version is much different, when it comes to hundreds of millions of good bacteria available in one capsule, and you are just buying into America's penchant for obsessing on the aging population. Viva la revolution!
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: HELP.!! Alex, Rick, I am again in a pig muck pit...
[FairfieldLife] RE: Fly like an eagle
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor
On 9/19/2013 10:22 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: So during the course nothing substantive was done for these folks? Apparently the folks were told to take an enema and get some rest and try to take it easy for a few days. Go figure. I mean beyond telling them to do more asanas or something? What would you do - call the EMS and have them taken away by men in white coats, just because they didn't like the food? LoL! *From:* turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the Movement than I do now. I was on quite a few courses on which participants suffered from heavy unstressing. ALL of the most severe cases I saw occur were dealt with using the same NOPA solution. That is, if none of the standard repeated cliches helped to resolve the problem, the person suffering from the heavy unstressing was sent home, and everyone wiped their hands and said Not Our Problem Anymore. From: Steve Sundur steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor  Hey Mikey. How you livin'. Listen, I was on the six month course. The first one actually, where the experimentation was rampant. Enemas, diet control, (or at least many theories to consider). Rick was on that course too. I guess for Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left. I think he may have been on a later course. Or at least I don't remember him on my course.  But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it. I think what Jim is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, and you will have to clear away any wreckage.  Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to take a break. And of course, so what if you do.  I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from the program and then moved on - either with prejudice or without prejudice.  I think that's what Jim is saying. But at some point, if you decide to take up the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some heavy lifting again.  P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads. More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings.  P.S.S. The food was...excellent!! From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor  Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu food combining rituals, not that early in the Movement history anyway. I have a hell of a lot more admiration and respect for Kapor for getting himself out and making something substantive of his life as opposed to asses like Russel Brand and Howard Stern. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: HELP.!! Alex, Rick, I am again in a pig muck pit...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be about having lots of handles? (-: From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck So, it's all about Richard. Go figure: I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion group. I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot. On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology. So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's time to put a stop to the MGs. Stand up for your rights! Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he lied. Then that morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by backpedaling and that's why I thought you had changed your mind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: HELP.!! Alex, Rick, I am again in a pig muck pit...
seraphita, maybe we're in the gap between Kali Yuga and Age of Aquarius? (-: From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: HELP.!! Alex, Rick, I am again in a pig muck pit... I've always liked that song. But a Google tells me that the Moon is in the seventh house every day for two hours, and Jupiter aligns with Mars every two years approx. Can you believe simultaneously that 1) we're entering the Age of Aquarius, and 2) this is the Kali Yuga? --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Thanks for the video. Back then, I didn't think the 5th Dimension singers were prophets of a new age. Now I understand their message given the knowledge we currently have of the yuga cycle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks, John, and testing, thought you might enjoy this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y84lrgNs8-g From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: HELP.!! Alex, Rick, I am again in a pig muck pit... Share, Click the box on the reply section. This will show more details of the reply contents. Then click the link icon (two rings). Paste your URL on the box that appears. Press send. The link will be clickable as you will see it highlighted in blue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Alex or anyone, this is my third and hopefully last Neo question: how can I make a link clickable? The old way isn't working any more. Thanks. From: j_alexander_stanley@... j_alexander_stanley@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: HELP.!! Alex, Rick, I am again in a pig muck pit... I remain absolutely, completely, totally delighted with the absence of posting limits. Thanks for asking!
[FairfieldLife] Lying liars and lies, was Buck is a liar
On 9/19/2013 10:31 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: If what Judy said is true, there are at least a dozen top posters on FFL who are either liars or have posted lies to the discussion group. When are they going to apologize? If true, why would anyone want to dialog with liars? Go figure. If not true, then someone is lying about others posting lies. RFC --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be about having lots of handles? (-: *From:* Richard J. Williams punditster@... *To:* Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck So, it's all about Richard. Go figure: I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion group. I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot. On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology. So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's time to put a stop to the MGs. Stand up for your rights! Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he lied. Then that morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by backpedaling and that's why I thought you had changed your mind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Oh, God, Richard you do have a way of expressing stuff that makes me LOL so much. Anyway, maybe Werner had it right all along and we're just tubes and it's all about eating healthy food and having healthy poops! From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor On 9/19/2013 10:22 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: So during the course nothing substantive was done for these folks? Apparently the folks were told to take an enema and get some rest and try to take it easy for a few days. Go figure. I mean beyond telling them to do more asanas or something? What would you do - call the EMS and have them taken away by men in white coats, just because they didn't like the food? LoL! From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the Movement than I do now. I was on quite a few courses on which participants suffered from heavy unstressing. ALL of the most severe cases I saw occur were dealt with using the same NOPA solution. That is, if none of the standard repeated cliches helped to resolve the problem, the person suffering from the heavy unstressing was sent home, and everyone wiped their hands and said Not Our Problem Anymore. From: Steve Sundur steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor  Hey Mikey. How you livin'. Listen, I was on the six month course. The first one actually, where the experimentation was rampant. Enemas, diet control, (or at least many theories to consider). Rick was on that course too. I guess for Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left. I think he may have been on a later course. Or at least I don't remember him on my course.  But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it. I think what Jim is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, and you will have to clear away any wreckage.  Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to take a break. And of course, so what if you do.  I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from the program and then moved on - either with prejudice or without prejudice.  I think that's what Jim is saying. But at some point, if you decide to take up the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some heavy lifting again.  P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads. More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings.  P.S.S. The food was...excellent!! From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor  Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M could really teach anyone to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor
In other traditions like the tantra one I learned the guru would have you stop meditating for a while if nothing good was happening. I also thought it was crazy that they tested people for the checking notes and puja memorization when rounds were at the high point. If I felt any roughness I just went through the motions of rounding. Worked well for me. On 09/19/2013 08:44 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: So during the course nothing substantive was done for these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more asanas or something? Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no nothing in particular was really done. On larger courses, they might have been referred to one of the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. But it was clear that no real effort was made to help any of these people who were twitching uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked for all the world like Tourette syndrome or worse, because the prevailing myth was always TM is 100% life supporting. No one was willing to go up against that and add, ...for many people, but for others, it may cause problems. Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this commented on the Blame the victim mentality they were exposed to. It was always, What are YOU doing wrong that this is happening to you? We all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening.
RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
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thanks for being willing to tell me again. Even in person I often don't remember a person's name until I've heard it 2 or 3 times. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story FWIW, she's already been told all this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, I have no idea what you are doing that your links are such mangled unusable messes. To do it right, you need to use the rich text editor's Insert Link button. It's the little icon that looks like two chain links. When you click on it, a window pops up that says, Please enter the URL for the link to point to. Simply paste the entire URL into the text entry area and click the OK button. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: yep, this one doesn't work either. Anyway, probably one could go to Kurzweil and then search on Calico. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story thanks, Alex, sorry, here's the untruncated version: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Daily+Newsletterutm_campaign=06e2c90c8a-UA-946742-1utm_medium=emailutm_term=0_6de721fb33-06e2c90c8a-282061598 From: j_alexander_stanley@... j_alexander_stanley@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story Share's link doesn't work in either email or the website, and I don't know if the problem lies with Yahoo or Share. So, here's the link again to see if Neo can make it work: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.kurzweilai.net/google-announces-calico-a-new-company-focused-on-health-and-well-being? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story It's worth pointing out that there is no other company in Silicon Valley that could plausibly make such an announcement. Smaller outfits don't have the money; larger ones don't have the bones. Apple may have set the standard for surprise unveilings but, excepting a major new product every few years, these mostly qualify as short-term. Google's modus operandi, in comparison, is gonzo airdrops into deep Wait, really? territory. Last week Apple announced a gold iPhone; what did you do this week, Google? Oh, we founded a company that might one day defeat death itself. Read more: http://techland.time.com/2013/09/18/google-vs-death/#ixzz2fH9PkdXq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mitchell Kapor
I never met Kapor though he was on the west coast panel for the Computer Bowl I attended in the 1990s. But he was one of many shakers and movers in the tech world there. Bill Gates co-emceed. On 09/18/2013 05:19 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to anti-authoritarianism. Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM? Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then started getting acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a serious try to see if that could have some calming effect. I got hooked in to TM and eventually made the decision to go through advanced training to become an initiator, an instructor. Tricycle: How long did you stay involved with TM? Kapor: I was involved for seven years. It all ultimately came to a head in 1976. The movement went into a new phase and Maharishi started talking about siddhis, powers, and techniques for doing levitation and other things. This created so much cognitive dissonance in me that I didn’t know what to do. I had to find out if it was real or not, and I wanted to believe that it was real, but something in me said that it couldn’t possibly be real. People weren’t really going to levitate. So I went to Switzerland for the sixth-month course on powers. I went and I fell apart. They were using us as experimental subjects. There was fasting involved and various austerities that come out of Hindu traditions, enemas and various bizarre food combining rituals. A lot of madness got released. After five months of this I said whatever problems I might or might not have, TM is not making them better, it is making them worse and I decided to leave. This was like leaving everything, because I had severed all of my other ties and relations: no job, no career, no marriage and no prospects. I got up in the middle of the night and walked to the train station. I felt like I was crossing from slavery into freedom, from one intolerable situation into the great unknown. By the way, no one really levitates. I fully satisfied myself as to that. http://www.kapor.com/writing/tricycle-interview/
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[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The latest shooter liked to meditate
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
If Kapor was on an AE course he probably WASN'T on any six month TTC. He probably was on one of those shorter course that were only 3 months and I think there were a few early one's even shorter (like one month). On 09/19/2013 08:03 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, Mitch Kapor signed up for a six month course to be a TM Teacher. Isn't he the guy that invented Lotus 123? I've always wondered what drives some people to do this - why in the world would it take six moths out of someone's life to learn TM and memorize a simple initiation puja? It takes only a few minutes to teach someone how to meditate. Go figure. Wouldn't you have to be somewhat strange to think you could just take off for six months from your family and your job to sit around and meditate in Switzerland? And then, after walking out on the yoga camp, switch over to join a Buddhist cult and get interviewed by Tricycle. Go figure. On 9/19/2013 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor
So during the course nothing substantive was done for these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more asanas or something? turquoiseb: twitching uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked for all the world like Tourette syndrome or worse It's a little difficult to diagnose these kinds of problems, even if you are a psychiatrist or an MD. What could go wrong with a guy that one minute is sitting quietly in his room meditating and the next minute he is twitching uncontrollably in public? Or, what would anyone make of a guy that just spent ten hours napping in bed and then at a meeting, he suddenly breaks out shouting curse words at his roommates? I'm not a doctor but I'd probably think there was some kind of preexisting condition and look into that first, before I put the blame on a poor Hindu guy who was just trying to help you sleep. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no nothing in particular was really done. On larger courses, they might have been referred to one of the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. But it was clear that no real effort was made to help any of these people who were twitching uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked for all the world like Tourette syndrome or worse, because the prevailing myth was always TM is 100% life supporting. No one was willing to go up against that and add, ...for many people, but for others, it may cause problems. Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this commented on the Blame the victim mentality they were exposed to. It was always, What are YOU doing wrong that this is happening to you? We all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the Movement than I do now. I was on quite a few courses on which participants suffered from heavy unstressing. ALL of the most severe cases I saw occur were dealt with using the same NOPA solution. That is, if none of the standard repeated cliches helped to resolve the problem, the person suffering from the heavy unstressing was sent home, and everyone wiped their hands and said Not Our Problem Anymore. From: Steve Sundur steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor à Hey Mikey.à How you livin'.à Listen, I was on the six month course.à The first one actually, where the experimentation was rampant.à Enemas, diet control, (or at least many theories to consider).à Rick was on that course too.à I guess for Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left.à I think he may have been on a later course.à Or at least I don't remember him on my course. à But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it.à I think what Jim is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as youà move along that path, and you will have to clear awayà any wreckage.à à Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to take a break.à And of course, so what if you do.à à I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from the program and then moved on -à either with prejudice or without prejudice. à I think that's what Jim is saying.à But at some point, if you decide to take up the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some heavy lifting again. à P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads.à More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings.à à P.S.S.à The food was...excellent!! From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor à Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods
The key at supermarkets is to shop the outer areas. That's where the whole foods are. The rest is really just scams of processed foods to line some rich ass's pocket while short changing you on nutrition. And the packaged foods keep getting smaller while produce which can't get smaller gets more expensive. They are trying to cover up the inflation is happening. By making the packages smaller they don't have to raise the price which people would notice. On 09/18/2013 04:49 PM, punditster wrote: Bhairitu: And many here are now old farts and once you hit your sixties the old jalopy stops working so well. Sometimes I wonder what other people are eating at home - I see what others have in their baskets at Albertson's or at Safeway and it's just astounding the things they buy for their families. There's Rita at Whole Foods today: We're talking cases of soda and dozens of boxes of refined foods; lots of chips and candy for the kids, and of course beer. One lady I was behind had her cart piled so high she could hardly manage. It cost her $464 in cash! Me, I shop at Whole Foods mainly for bulk items like oats, organic brown rice and other items from the bulk section. several We get most of our fresh produce locally. We don't buy many paper goods and packaged stuff like expensive imported foods - we like to cook most of our stuff from scratch. Being on a low fat low carb diet has saved us lot's of money! We go to the Whole Foods Market about once a month in the van so we can load up. Most people's problem with the food (other than the junk food) is the storage space - you can keep much fresh food in a small fridge or apartment. Here we've got the freezer in the garage and a second fridge out there too. I'll never forget having to walk to grocer every day to get food when I was living in England - you get your meat from the meat market; your milk from the dairy; your veggies from the produce market; and you get your cigs at the tobacco shop. LoL!
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Good Reason to cancel Verizon
Then you must not have read the article. He was effectively saying do what the government says. On 09/18/2013 06:34 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Such b.s. You know that whatever this current stupid CEO said is NOT why Mr. A. Hitler came to power. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: A company president like this is why Hitler was able to come to power. http://rt.com/news/verizon-president-customer-centric-015/ Mr. Stratton wants you all to be good little sheeple and obey the government. And of course buy all the shit he sells too. Glad I left Veri$on last year.
[FairfieldLife] Mitchell Kapor's diet, was Mitchell Kapor
Share Long: Anyway, maybe Werner had it right all along and we're just tubes and it's all about eating healthy food and having healthy poops! Yeah, I'm on a roll today - must be that enema I took! Eat right, to keep fit. - Adele Davis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelle_Davis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelle_Davis http://www.amazon.com/Lets-Eat-Right-Keep-Signet/dp/0451155505/ref=sr_1\ _2?ie=UTF8qid=1379607341sr=8-2keywords=Adele%2BDavis So during the course nothing substantive was done for these folks? Apparently the folks were told to take an enema and get some rest and try to take it easy for a few days. Go figure. I mean beyond telling them to do more asanas or something? What would you do - call the EMS and have them taken away by men in white coats, just because they didn't like the food? LoL!
Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:18 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck It's not a matter of opinion, I'm afraid, that Richard is a liar and a troll. As to your pandering, we could also call it brown-nosing, sucking up to, or fawning over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, I don't agree with you that Richard is a liar or troll or that I pander. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's using. But you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars can't be choosers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be about having lots of handles? (-: From: Richard J. Williams punditster@... To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck So, it's all about Richard. Go figure: I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion group. I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot. On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@... wrote: Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology. So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's time to put a stop to the MGs. Stand up for your rights! Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he lied. Then that morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by backpedaling and that's why I thought you had changed your mind.
Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
That was me expressing the gap! From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:18 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck It's not a matter of opinion, I'm afraid, that Richard is a liar and a troll. As to your pandering, we could also call it brown-nosing, sucking up to, or fawning over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, I don't agree with you that Richard is a liar or troll or that I pander. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's using. But you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars can't be choosers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be about having lots of handles? (-: From: Richard J. Williams punditster@... To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck So, it's all about Richard. Go figure: I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion group. I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot. On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@... wrote: Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology. So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's time to put a stop to the MGs. Stand up for your rights! Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he lied. Then that morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by backpedaling and that's why I thought you had changed your mind.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Are we living in the end times?
[FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Bhairitu: If Kapor was on an AE course he probably WASN'T on any six month TTC. He probably was on one of those shorter course that were only 3 months and I think there were a few early one's even shorter (like one month). So, Mitch Kapor took a yoga course in Switzerland with the Mahesh Yogi and became a teacher of TM and taught TM in Cambridge. Then, he invented Lotus 123 and founded the Lotus Foundation and became a millionaire. Not bad for practicing a few yoga poses and meditating a few minutes a day! So, Mitch Kapor signed up for a six month course to be a TM Teacher. Isn't he the guy that invented Lotus 123? I've always wondered what drives some people to do this - why in the world would it take six moths out of someone's life to learn TM and memorize a simple initiation puja? It takes only a few minutes to teach someone how to meditate. Go figure. Wouldn't you have to be somewhat strange to think you could just take off for six months from your family and your job to sit around and meditate in Switzerland? And then, after walking out on the yoga camp, switch over to join a Buddhist cult and get interviewed by Tricycle. Go figure. On 9/19/2013 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Navy Gunman Spent Night in Massachusetts Buddhist Temple
I'm waiting for the day one of these folks gets into a boardroom and wipes out a bunch of banksters. There will be block parties all over the US if that happens and of course the MSM telling people they shouldn't celebrate it. All these people do now is wipe out innocent folks. This guy was on drugs, prescription drugs. I also read he had a sleep disorder. Believe me if you deprived anyone on FFL of sleep after a while they would start acting strange too. America is so stupid when it comes to mental health. On 09/19/2013 05:34 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: The former Navy reservist who authorities say killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard visited a Buddhist temple in Massachusetts last month where he talked about noises in his head. Eang Tan, a board member at the Thai Buddhist temple in Raynham, says Aaron Alexis visited the house of worship on Aug. 18. Tan tells the Taunton Daily Gazette ( http://bit.ly/15F2Iz4 ) that as soon as temple officials recognized Alexis on TV newscasts after Monday's shooting, they contacted police. Tan says Alexis addressed temple members in fluent Thai and asked for a place to spend the night. When they asked why he didn't go to a hotel, Tan says Alexis said couldn't sleep in a hotel because of the noises in his head. Tan says Alexis spent one night, then left. - Good thing the Buddhists helped him out, without alerting mental health authorities. That way, a month later, he was able to fulfill his earthly desire of mass murder. Way to go, Buddhists! Help all sentient beings - well, one out of twelve, anyway.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Bhairitu: I also thought it was crazy that they tested people for the checking notes and puja memorization when rounds were at the high point... When on a meditation course to become TM teachers I would think that as prospective teachers you'd be checked every day at least. If someone was twitching uncontrollably, do you think they'd pass a simple TM checking procedure? Go figure. On 09/19/2013 08:44 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: So during the course nothing substantive was done for these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more asanas or something? Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no nothing in particular was really done. On larger courses, they might have been referred to one of the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. But it was clear that no real effort was made to help any of these people who were twitching uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked for all the world like Tourette syndrome or worse, because the prevailing myth was always TM is 100% life supporting. No one was willing to go up against that and add, ...for many people, but for others, it may cause problems. Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this commented on the Blame the victim mentality they were exposed to. It was always, What are YOU doing wrong that this is happening to you? We all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
After a little research, we may have to add a few respondents to the list of people Judy has accused of lying: Sal, Curtis, Vaj, salyavin, azgrey, navashok, PaliGap, Nabby, irentea, and Xeno. And tht's just FFL for year! Go figure. Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Richard, you've made me LOL and feel good so many times so thank you. And I think I've gotten inured to the range of comments on FFL. Anyway, today seems to be all about motorbikes rather than apologies (-: From: Richard J. Williams punditster@... To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck  Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology. So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's time to put a stop to the MGs. Stand up for your rights! On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he lied. Then that morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by backpedaling and that's why I thought you had changed your mind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
So, why would anyone want to pander to a discussion group full of liars, attention trolls and supporters of poor beggar Hindu pundit boys? Maybe it's time to review trolling: Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. On 9/19/2013 10:58 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's using. But you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars can't be choosers. Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's using. But you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars can't be choosers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be about having lots of handles? (-: *From:* Richard J. Williams punditster@... *To:* Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck So, it's all about Richard. Go figure: I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion group. I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot. On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology. So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's time to put a stop to the MGs. Stand up for your rights! Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he lied. Then that morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by backpedaling and that's why I thought you had changed your mind.
[FairfieldLife] RE: One more mangled link test
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
Judy, I don't agree with you that Richard is a liar or troll or that I pander. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's using. But you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars can't be choosers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be about having lots of handles? (-: From: Richard J. Williams punditster@... To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck So, it's all about Richard. Go figure: I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion group. I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot. On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@... wrote: Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology. So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's time to put a stop to the MGs. Stand up for your rights! Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he lied. Then that morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by backpedaling and that's why I thought you had changed your mind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor
I would say as high as 20% of the folks I knew at the Seattle TM center back in the day were running computer businesses. If you have the right idea at the right time you are a winner. Or may it is just predestined by the script of the play we're all in. :-D On 09/19/2013 09:31 AM, punditster wrote: Bhairitu: If Kapor was on an AE course he probably WASN'T on any six month TTC. He probably was on one of those shorter course that were only 3 months and I think there were a few early one's even shorter (like one month). So, Mitch Kapor took a yoga course in Switzerland with the Mahesh Yogi and became a teacher of TM and taught TM in Cambridge. Then, he invented Lotus 123 and founded the Lotus Foundation and became a millionaire. Not bad for practicing a few yoga poses and meditating a few minutes a day! So, Mitch Kapor signed up for a six month course to be a TM Teacher. Isn't he the guy that invented Lotus 123? I've always wondered what drives some people to do this - why in the world would it take six moths out of someone's life to learn TM and memorize a simple initiation puja? It takes only a few minutes to teach someone how to meditate. Go figure. Wouldn't you have to be somewhat strange to think you could just take off for six months from your family and your job to sit around and meditate in Switzerland? And then, after walking out on the yoga camp, switch over to join a Buddhist cult and get interviewed by Tricycle. Go figure. On 9/19/2013 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor
On 09/19/2013 09:38 AM, punditster wrote: Bhairitu: I also thought it was crazy that they tested people for the checking notes and puja memorization when rounds were at the high point... When on a meditation course to become TM teachers I would think that as prospective teachers you'd be checked every day at least. To attend TTC you had to have passed the checking notes. By the time I went to TTC I had checked over 200 people. This wasn't the attendee getting checked, Richard. It was testing you for the notes. We had to go check someone with a course leader making sure you didn't get even one word wrong. If someone was twitching uncontrollably, do you think they'd pass a simple TM checking procedure? Twitching is often just a blockage working it's way out. Just like a muscle spasm. The roughness on courses was more mental. Go figure. On 09/19/2013 08:44 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: So during the course nothing substantive was done for these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more asanas or something? Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no nothing in particular was really done. On larger courses, they might have been referred to one of the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. But it was clear that no real effort was made to help any of these people who were twitching uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked for all the world like Tourette syndrome or worse, because the prevailing myth was always TM is 100% life supporting. No one was willing to go up against that and add, ...for many people, but for others, it may cause problems. Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this commented on the Blame the victim mentality they were exposed to. It was always, What are YOU doing wrong that this is happening to you? We all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mitchell Kapor
Mitch Kapor developed the first spreadsheet for the IBM PC - VisiCalc. According to what I've read, Kapor became interested in TM going on to teach it in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where he also worked as a computer programmer. He went on to become a millionaire selling software. Apparently TM really was good for him, even though he apparently didn't really understand it at the time. He later became a Buddhist and joined a cult in San Francisco where he meditates for hours at a time. Go figure. Read more: 'Accidental Empires' How the Boys of Silicon Valley Make Their Millions, Battle Foreign Competition, and Still Can't Get a Date Robert X. Cringely Addison-Wesley, 1996, p95 On 9/19/2013 11:01 AM, Bhairitu wrote: I never met Kapor though he was on the west coast panel for the Computer Bowl I attended in the 1990s. But he was one of many shakers and movers in the tech world there. Bill Gates co-emceed. On 09/18/2013 05:19 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to anti-authoritarianism. Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM? Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then started getting acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a serious try to see if that could have some calming effect. I got hooked in to TM and eventually made the decision to go through advanced training to become an initiator, an instructor. Tricycle: How long did you stay involved with TM? Kapor: I was involved for seven years. It all ultimately came to a head in 1976. The movement went into a new phase and Maharishi started talking about siddhis, powers, and techniques for doing levitation and other things. This created so much cognitive dissonance in me that I didn’t know what to do. I had to find out if it was real or not, and I wanted to believe that it was real, but something in me said that it couldn’t possibly be real. People weren’t really going to levitate. So I went to Switzerland for the sixth-month course on powers. I went and I fell apart. They were using us as experimental subjects. There was fasting involved and various austerities that come out of Hindu traditions, enemas and various bizarre food combining rituals. A lot of madness got released. After five months of this I said whatever problems I might or might not have, TM is not making them better, it is making them worse and I decided to leave. This was like leaving everything, because I had severed all of my other ties and relations: no job, no career, no marriage and no prospects. I got up in the middle of the night and walked to the train station. I felt like I was crossing from slavery into freedom, from one intolerable situation into the great unknown. By the way, no one really levitates. I fully satisfied myself as to that. http://www.kapor.com/writing/tricycle-interview/
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
It wasn't a TTC - it was the proverbial Six Month Course for TM teachers to get the siddhis and become Governors of the Age of Enlightenment. Maybe you should go to the same community college where Willy Tex is planning to take reading comprehension courses. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor If Kapor was on an AE course he probably WASN'T on any six month TTC. He probably was on one of those shorter course that were only 3 months and I think there were a few early one's even shorter (like one month). On 09/19/2013 08:03 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, Mitch Kapor signed up for a six month course to be a TM Teacher. Isn't he the guy that invented Lotus 123? I've always wondered what drives some people to do this - why in the world would it take six moths out of someone's life to learn TM and memorize a simple initiation puja? It takes only a few minutes to teach someone how to meditate. Go figure. Wouldn't you have to be somewhat strange to think you could just take off for six months from your family and your job to sit around and meditate in Switzerland? And then, after walking out on the yoga camp, switch over to join a Buddhist cult and get interviewed by Tricycle. Go figure. On 9/19/2013 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote:
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 09/19/2013 09:38 AM, punditster wrote: Bhairitu: I also thought it was crazy that they tested people for the checking notes and puja memorization when rounds were at the high point... When on a meditation course to become TM teachers I would think that as prospective teachers you'd be checked every day at least. To attend TTC you had to have passed the checking notes. By the time I went to TTC I had checked over 200 people. This wasn't the attendee getting checked, Richard. It was testing you for the notes. While I agree with your earlier point: What were they *thinking* having people both learn and be tested on the checking notes while doing 6-8 rounds per day?, I have to correct you. On *later* course you might have been required to learn the checking notes before you attended the course. But on earlier courses (e.g., mine, Mallorca-Fiuggi '72) you had to both learn and be tested on the checking notes while doing this much meditation per day.
Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
I am sure I have cognitive overload or dissonance or something from all the years I did TM, I missed you working for the Movement - when and where did work for them? And did you enjoy it? From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:47 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor And you too, MJ, are a fine fella. I never actually saw, or met, Maharishi, and stopped working for his org in 1982. I did watch a LOT of tapes and read his Gita translation several times. Probably went on twenty Residence Courses. Practiced the TMSP from 1980 to 1993-ish. Did TM from 1975, on. Other than that, it has just been plain hard work, discrimination, and focus. My rosy colored glasses fell off at some point along the way, and I don't wear contacts, either.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I suggest you read the interview and then make comments - as much as I like Doc, he is still wearing rosy colored glasses where maree-chee and company are concerned. But he's a fine feller anyway. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Jesus, you people! Let's shoot the messenger - Kapor realized what was being offered was not what was advertised. He put all his hopes and dreams into Marshy and his bogus teachings and went on straighten himself out and become a mover and shaker in computer and internet technology. I take my hat off to him. No reason to revile him and his experience just because he tells it like it is. I don't revile anyone for leaving the Movement or who became disillusioned or even bitter about their experience there. I was just making a general statement about naive expectations when it comes to those who expect the world for very little effort. I didn't even read the interview, I was addressing what the Doc was saying. From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do. Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You should have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by merely closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if you believed it you have only yourself to blame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to anti-authoritarianism. Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM? Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then started getting acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a serious try to see if that could have some calming
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
This is progress - at least Judy is calling me by my real name now instead of calling to me as a 'willytex' which is my email address. It might be a good time to review the word Troll: Definition Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. Description Trolls are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional trolls are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at their goal. Adapted from: Internet troll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll On 9/19/2013 12:01 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Richard wrote:* * * *(snip)* Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. *Or to cause confusion. Exactly.*
[FairfieldLife] RE: On Being An Eagle
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
Oh, I get it now - Mitch Kapor took a TTC and taught TM in Cambridge and THEN took a 'Six Month Course' on how to be a Governor of the Age of Enlightenment so he could learn the siddhis. When he found out he couldn't fly, he quit the program and joined a Buddhist cult. Go figure. On 9/19/2013 11:59 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: It wasn't a TTC - it was the proverbial Six Month Course for TM teachers to get the siddhis and become Governors of the Age of Enlightenment. Maybe you should go to the same community college where Willy Tex is planning to take reading comprehension courses. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:05 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor If Kapor was on an AE course he probably WASN'T on any six month TTC. He probably was on one of those shorter course that were only 3 months and I think there were a few early one's even shorter (like one month). On 09/19/2013 08:03 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, Mitch Kapor signed up for a six month course to be a TM Teacher. Isn't he the guy that invented Lotus 123? I've always wondered what drives some people to do this - why in the world would it take six moths out of someone's life to learn TM and memorize a simple initiation puja? It takes only a few minutes to teach someone how to meditate. Go figure. Wouldn't you have to be somewhat strange to think you could just take off for six months from your family and your job to sit around and meditate in Switzerland? And then, after walking out on the yoga camp, switch over to join a Buddhist cult and get interviewed by Tricycle. Go figure. On 9/19/2013 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Silicon Love
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck
Maybe it's time to review the number of liars posting to FFL. According to Judy, the top posters who posted lies are Buck, Barry, Curtis, Vaj, Richard, Steve, and Share. And the minor bottom posters are Sal, salyavin, azgrey, navashok, PaliGap, Nabby, irentea, and Xeno. So, we got fifteen liars posting to the discussion group. Did I miss anyone? So if true, then it looks like fifteen of the FFL respondents posted lies in one year and they should apologize to the group. If untrue, then Judy is a liar and posted at least fifteen lies, or more, to the discussion. If we take a vote, probably at least fifteen respondents would vote to censure Judy. Now that's funny!!! On 9/19/2013 11:18 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: It's not a matter of opinion, I'm afraid, that Richard is a liar and a troll. As to your pandering, we could also call it brown-nosing, sucking up to, or fawning over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, I don't agree with you that Richard is a liar or troll or that I pander. *From:* authfriend@... authfriend@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM *Subject:* RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's using. But you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars can't be choosers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be about having lots of handles? (-: *From:* Richard J. Williams punditster@... *To:* Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck So, it's all about Richard. Go figure: I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion group. I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot. On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology. So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's time to put a stop to the MGs. Stand up for your rights! Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price. On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he lied. Then that morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by backpedaling and that's why I thought you had changed your mind. .
