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TM strengthens the nervous-system and has proved to reduce mental problems and
stress. Meditators are healthier both physically and mentally than the average
population. This is old news and validated by independent
OK, I'm not going to stay out of this at all. I'm going to rap about it. And
one of the reasons is that I think my life experience -- both personal and with
the study of cults/spiritual communities -- offers me a few insights into the
issue of suicide.
Few events provoke more cognitive
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Outright nonsense from the Turq, as expected. The facts doesn't fit his
hate-model so he pretends it doesn't exist. Of course people that on very rare
occasions develop problems are asked to get adequate mental help, as everyone
that has been to an international course knows. They are closely
Speaking of outright nonsense, this bullcrap is coming from the person for
whom every problem in life can be solved by getting a checking. :-)
Nabby also sees no problem with people on courses being hidden away in
basements, where at least two I know of have committed suicide. I suppose this
The Turq reveals his endless ignorance yet again. Anyone with half a brain
intact understands that moving an unstable soul to the basement is to reduce
Vata. But it doesn't fit into the hate-model the Turq has created for himself,
one he in his foolishness is trying to push on to others.
His
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Outright nonsense from the Turq, as expected. The facts doesn't fit his
hate-model so he pretends it doesn't exist. Of course people that on very rare
occasions develop problems are asked to get adequate mental help,
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Outright nonsense from the Turq, as expected. The facts doesn't fit his
hate-model so he pretends it doesn't exist. Of course people that on
turq, one of the thought provoking aspects of this post of yours is that in it
you actually criticize the solution to the problem which you present! Meaning
that you criticize the fact that people relax after having resolved some
cognitive dissonance.
I think that *relaxing* actually is a
then you have not looked at the TMO's PR lately
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another suicide in FF
there is nothing political about it. The fact the TM is presented at 100% life
supporting and a man like Mark Totten who was 100% on the program would step in
front of a train and that many other long term TM'ers commit suicide or try to
is something that needs to be acknowledged. I have spoken
Thanks Barry - and I will add, again, that on the Remembering Serenity facebook
page, dedicated to the siddha lady who took her own life last year, a former
MUM student posted this:
. ever since I was a student at MUM (I started in 2008) students have
requested this dialog and attempted to
Really. This issue really IS not related to TM or any other belief system in my
mind, because I've been on the survivor side of suicide a couple of times and
gotten to experience the emotional and karmic ripples that emanate from it.
I know that there are some here who are opposed to suicide
Very very well said Barry!
One small example I will give without naming names, I know someone raised in
the Movement, whose wife was raised in the Movement, she is a siddha and was
one thousand percent on the program, as her husband put it TM siddhis practice
was like heroin to her. She also
The depth and breadth of your particular addiction to being special through TM
knows no bounds.
And always the problems are found in the history of the individual,
problems that the person has kept under the radar as to be able to go to
courses. Problems that has nothing whatsoever to do with
Good point - I wonder if the purusha man who set himself on fire in Marshy's
basement was there for his own sake cause he was having obvious unstressing
problems?
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To:
On 5/24/2014 10:34 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
Clever how he frames the question asking if the TM programme is a cult
and not the organisation.
Most experts agree that a definition of cult includes coercion. Were
you forced in any way to participate in the TM Programme?
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We're all doomed I tell you...
Somebody sounds depressed. Go figure.
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I've been staying out of this, and will continue to do so, but I have to point
out the eagerness with which several people have pounced on the brain
injury/coma thing. It's almost as if you can feel them relax and say to
Share wrote:
Richard, I just followed your instructions for snipping and
it didn't work. First I tried it after I hit the Reply button and
then I tried it before I hit the Reply button. Any suggestions
appreciated.
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I've been staying out of this, and will continue to do so, but I have to point
out the eagerness with which several people have pounced on the brain
injury/coma thing. It's almost as if you can feel them relax and say to
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
OK, I'm not going to stay out of this at all. I'm going to rap about it. And
one of the reasons is that I think my life experience -- both personal and with
the study of cults/spiritual communities -- offers me a few insights
On 5/24/2014 12:31 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I just followed your instructions for snipping and it didn't work.
From what I can tell, in Neo you first click on Topics, then scroll
down to the topic you want to read. Next, click on the Topic; scroll
down and
On 5/24/2014 2:11 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
The whole Reply button thing is a red herring Richard threw in just
to be confusing.
After clicking on Reply, remember to avoid using colored text, extra
large text, bold text, or text that with text wrapping. Use plain text
On 5/24/2014 2:54 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Judy when I say it didn't work, I mean that what I highlighted and
attempted to delete by pressing the backspace button, didn't get deleted.
Share, I don't use Neo or Yahoo Mail any more. I am using Mozilla
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Thanks Barry - and I will add, again, that on the Remembering Serenity
facebook page, dedicated to the siddha lady who took her own life last year, a
former MUM student posted this:
. ever since I was a student at MUM (I
Turquoiseb, Good observations and good thoughtful post that adds to the
discussion, thanks. -Buck
For some gung-ho locally of their own making there can potentially be a lot of
pressure around some expectations of 'enlightenment'. As a set up, sort of like
the young girl who in her
What a presumption you make about how the TM community reacts to such an event.
As Share mentioned a few days ago, you have been removed to any involvement
for going on 40 years.
You view from a distance, as the rest of us do, what Bobby Roth, or DL, or JH
say about TM and what it has to
On 5/24/2014 10:44 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
Any religious education disturbs me actually,
The government should probably close down all the religious schools in
Great Britain and convert them to secular schools. Then, after a few
years of indoctrination, the government could close down all the
On 5/24/2014 2:11 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
BTW, as for attributions, for some reason he doesn't want to admit he
got attributions wrong, so he's throwing a whole load of bullshit at
you on that as well.
OMG! He got the attribution wrong. Do you have any comments to
On 5/24/2014 10:55 AM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Whereas if you are executed by firing squad that is clearly an
extension of military procedure.
People are executed every day all over the world when you consider
targeted assassination using drones and the collateral damage
Michael,
You have a fantasy that people don't want you to bring up instances of suicide
or other problems in the TMO. Maybe take a look at this seeming need of yours
to be some kind of pariah standing up the menacing TMO machine.
If you don't like feedback in the form of facts, or other
On 5/24/2014 1:57 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
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OMG! Mr. Freak forgot the attributions. Go figure.
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On 5/24/2014 2:22 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
But I'm opposed to the death penalty anyway. Just put them in a
petting zoo. :-D
How much would that cost the state or U.S. taxpayer? Go figure.
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Richard, thank you for all your info about this. I think what you're saying
here is that basically I must copy the whole post, paste it into the Reply
window, then delete what I want to delete. As far as I can tell, there is no
deleting outside of the Reply window.
On Sunday, May 25, 2014
On 5/24/2014 2:11 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
they would have to admit that there seemingly ARE side effects to
long term practice to TM, especially when one is rounding.
Never pass up a tragedy in order to win a religious debate.
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A nice rap.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Really. This issue really IS not related to TM or any other belief system in
my mind, because I've been on the survivor side of suicide a couple of times
and gotten to experience the emotional and karmic ripples that
Thinking back on it, there are three words that I cannot remember Maharishi
ever using, in live lectures, on video-and audio-tapes, and in his books.
Those three words, which *could* have been used to preface something he was
about to say, are I believe that...
Instead, he said stuff as if
On 5/25/2014 1:35 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
The community to some extent CAUSES the suicide, by creating an
environment in which the victim feels that they can't talk about their
problems, because the mere fact of admitting to *having* problems
would cast
Yes, it is true that from the outset the vision of possibilities offered was an
Ideal Society, Full Potential, etc. But who, at any time did not
put that in some kind of perspective and make an internal adjustment of
what was actually possible, and what was laid out as grand plan. And as has
Steve, just to say that I appreciate so much of what you posted today. So
balanced and at peace with the human condition. I think that is what I treasure
most in your posts.
My SO died of a heart attack the day after our last 2 phone calls. In that last
phone call he reported having gone for
you don't know anything about his life either or what led him to suicide, nor
do any of us know what caused Serenity to do so last year, or my friend Mark
Totten, or any of the other siddhas/governors/purushas who have killed
themselves over the years - the common denominator is long term TM
On 5/25/2014 1:35 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
The problem as I see it w.r.t. TM and the TMO is elitism.
Never pass up a tragedy like suicide if that can help you win a debate
about religion.
Questions:
Can anyone define TMO?
Can anyone define TM?
Other
Is the Kyiv government riven with fascists, or is an imperial Putin simply
determined to recreate the Soviet Union?
'At the heart of the Ukraine conflict is a conflict about what actually
happened'
At the heart of the Ukraine conflict is a conflict about what actually happened
Question - how can it be ok for D Lynch, Jim Carrey, that jackass Russel Brand
and all the TM fanatics like Bob Roth and Ken Chawkin to absolutely claim that
all things good come from TM, that everything good in a TM'ers life came from
TM, that all their achievements can be traced to TM
I know you don't hate me but you still attribute my motivation to an erroneous
assumption as to why I do what I do and since I have corrected that assumption
in past posts and you still assume it, I won't address it again.
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
He is actually quite accurate in his assertions.
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 10:07 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The cognitive dissonance of suicide
Steve you are coming close to be as much of a blabberer as WIlly Tex - I am
hardly a pariah, I am one of many former TM'ers who speak up. You want to
create fantasy about who I am and why I do what I do, go ahead.
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
turq, I think Maharishi was speaking from experience therefore it was not
appropriate for him to say that he was explaining his beliefs! And he also
encouraged everyone else to go by their own experience. He offered knowledge as
a way to understand experience and supplement it rather than to
This is a sculpture by Issac Cordal in Berlin, titled Politicians discussing
global warming.
Michael, I don't think that any of these people are saying that all good things
come from TM. I think the essence of the teaching, and I'm not a TM teacher, is
that all good things come from Being, or whatever one wants to call it, and
that TM is the most reliable way to contact Being on a
Probably even the people who knew these individuals in person for a long time
realize that on some level, they also don't know what really happened. And I
think it's actually quite irresponsible to pin it on long term TM practice.
Because such thinking might cause someone to ignore other
Michael, you obviously have not been to Fairfield in a long time if you think
there are *TONS* of long term TMers here who are what turq calls TBers. It's
simply not the case. And why? IMO because TM increases field independence! By
its very nature, TM prevents the creation of TBers and a cult.
The important question is not why did the person commit suicide, but rather,
did they feel free to seek help, and were mental health counseling and
treatment easily available (and affordable), without stigma?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Probably even the
Our own film-critic only likes B-movies and crappy TV-entertainment but others
might find this interesting:
Inspired by the promotional materials of David Cronenberg’s new film and where
it takes place, Abbie Saunders started drawing connections between Cronenberg
and David Lynch, and how
Barry, I am sorry about your brother, long ago as it may have been. This,
below, is from today's Seattle Times.
When I was about to graduate from college, I was puffed up in a bubble of
self-importance. I know this because my uncle came along and popped it. We
were at some family gathering
Judy, mental health counseling is available in FF. Some counselors use a
sliding scale. OTOH, in 2 of the cases I'd say that cost of therapy would not
be an issue. Also in those 2 cases, the parents were and are not what I would
call TM TBers. So no stigma about seeking help in that regard.
I saw this on FB, Edg posted it from Michael Moore. Really good comment:
Michael Moore https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10152065762191857?fref=nf
With due respect to those who are asking me to comment on last night's tragic
mass shooting at UCSB in Isla Vista, CA -- I no longer have
Duh, charge admission.
On 05/25/2014 07:32 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
On 5/24/2014 2:22 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
But I'm opposed to the death penalty anyway. Just put them in a
petting zoo. :-D
How much would
On 05/25/2014 12:54 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
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On 05/24/2014 06:41 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
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go on campus and get real - that's where the True Believers are
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 11:35 AM
Subject:
On 05/25/2014 05:06 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
At the same time, they *don't* offer it to someone who is feeling down
because he never had any luck with women and was still a virgin at 22.
The doctors who run the assisted-suicide centers are skilled at
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
you don't know anything about his life either or what led him to suicide, nor
do any of us know what caused Serenity to do so last year, or my friend Mark
Totten, or any of the other siddhas/governors/purushas who have killed
Wow! This was one great final episode of the season. Bryan Fuller
knocked it out of the ballpark. I won't go into specifics for those who
haven't seen it but it followed a trend occurring in other series these
days, mainly the premium channel ones. I suspect however this show is
too dark
Ann,
One can say guns should be prohibited. But the second amendment of the US
Constitution gives the individual the right to bear arms. With a strong NRA
lobby in Washington DC, I don't believe this amendment can be erased from the
books any time soon.
Except he killed his first three victims with a knife (they weren't
discovered until later). If guns were banned he would have bought one
from someone selling them out of a car trunk or back of a van. After
all pot is illegal in most states yet people still find a way to buy it.
Banning
Agreed. One of the ballsiest TV episodes ever, willing to take on nearly every
television convention and preconception and fuck with it. The show is
*definitely* too dark for many here, but it's brilliant.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
The two FF suicides with which I'm more familiar did not have contact with
people on campus.
On Sunday, May 25, 2014 11:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
go on campus and get real - that's where the True Believers are
MJ writes:
I was talking on the phone last night to a former MIU staff and student friend
who was telling me about his friend Brian Henchcliff who killed himself back in
the 80's. It won't go away because you don't like me bringing it up.
Let's just put it this way
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Ann,
One can say guns should be prohibited. But the second amendment of the US
Constitution gives the individual the right to bear arms. With a strong NRA
lobby in Washington DC, I don't believe this amendment can be erased from
I was not asking just about the two cases you happen to know about. The issue
is the attitude of the community toward treatment of mental health issues, and
how that affects the willingness of people with such problems to seek help. Do
family and friends encourage and support the person getting
Barry, it is sort of funny, that you have become such a MMY scholar or critic,
sort of in the same way that someone is a Van Gogh scholar, or maybe a Thomas
Jefferson scholar.
But do you feel it might be wise to make some sort of caveat about one
person's report about what MMY was alleged to
Sure Michael, you are in the know about all this I presume. When was it again
that you left MIU.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Yes, it is true that from the outset the vision of possibilities offered was an
Ideal Society, Full Potential, etc. But
Thanks Share. I'm heading to my son's graduation from HS at the Peabody Opera
house. Will catch up later on. (-:
On the Saturday my dad died, I had talked to him the night before, and because
he had leftovers we decided not to go out for dinner,or for me to bring
anything over.
Then on
Don't panic.
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 7:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The three words that would have changed everything
Barry, it is sort of funny, that you have become such a MMY
Just my two cents:
Could it be that some TMers feel, at least subconsciously, like, say, 386's
trying
to run programs written for, say, Pentiums.
They might well think that getting a fresh flesh nervous system could speed up
their spirittual evolution, or stuff...
Like many of you, I was concerned about going out into the world and doing
something bigger than myself, until someone smarter than myself made me realize
that there is nothing bigger than my self. My soul is not contained within the
limits of my body, my body is contained within the
you contradict yourself in a matter of two sentences and are too dimwitted to
realize it.
or harboring a bias bordering on hatred
and let's face it, what makes you go vocal on any opportunity to impugn TM -
any negative comment, from any source, vetted, or unvetted
and what do you do
Steve, congratulations on your son's graduation. I hope it was a wonderful
ceremony. The Opera House sounds like a pretty cool venue. Has he selected a
college yet?
Good that your Dad had a peaceful passing and that you all found him so soon.
My big regret is that my SO and I did not say I
Michael, you really need to get a life other than this anti TM campaign. It's
not a matter of whether to stay silent or not on an issue. You are stuck in a
simplistic understanding about the whole organization. Sorry to sound so
condescending, but no other way to see it, I'm afraid.
Is he Michael? I guess no, In my opinion needed. Funny how that works
doesn't it. When you agree with someone, well what they say is just obviously
the truth, and okay to present it as such.
But then, be sure and make a big stink when an opposing point of view,
neglects to include these
As Ronald Reagan once said, There he goes again. I figure you'd play the
Cult Apologist card, or some variation thereof. At least you are right on
schedule, Michael. But couldya please be not some damned predictable. Really!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
and you know this because the last time you were on campus was 20 years ago?
do I have that right?
or tell me then, how long ago was it?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
go on campus and get real - that's where the True Believers are
From: Share Long
Okay, you obviously were privy to private conversations.
I am not trying to impugn Earl.
I am just saying that there is a context in which the comments were made. He
also said in that same expose that MMY sucked the vital life of his students,
or something to that effect. My apologies
Thanks. It was a nice ceremony.
He scored a 29 on his ACT, and got some good money from University of Dayton,
so that is where he is going.
unsupported??? By what? The suicides happened and keep happening - the whole
point is that TM has negative effects for some people and this keeps getting
ignored and swept under the rug. It doesn't always lead to suicide, but I have
seen it myself a number of times at various Movement
what blatant inaccuracy you are talking about?
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another suicide in FF
you
you are wearing blinders and are being willfully ignorant of what the TMO is
all about.
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 5:27 PM
Subject: Re:
The problem with *rehabilitation* is, that you have to want to be
rehabilitated. Not very likely if you've grown up as the scum of the earth,
which most people are that commit heinous crimes. Not impossible, just not
probable. At what cost and what guarantees the rehabilitation works.
On
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
unsupported??? By what? The suicides happened and keep happening - the whole
point is that TM has negative effects for some people and this keeps getting
ignored and swept under the rug. It doesn't always lead to suicide, but I
You get called out on inaccuracies pretty regularly. You can go back and find
them yourself, or not.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
you are wearing blinders and are being willfully ignorant of what the TMO is
all about.
From: steve.sundur@...
What would be the explanation for TM itself bringing about suicide?
Yes, everyone has noticed that on extended rounding, people tend to get...
odd... and people with severe mental problems likely shouldn't be doing
extended rounding.
There's also a known anxiety disorder, Relaxation
Yes, I was there too. Was a tremendous amount of wisdom in Carrey's talk to the
students. He is clearly awakened and spoke from Unity consciousness. Was quite
an extraordinary commencement speech. Rick Archer should interview him for
Batgap about Carrey's awakening experience. I am not familiar
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Yes, I was there too. Was a tremendous amount of wisdom in Carrey's talk to
the students. He is clearly awakened and spoke from Unity consciousness. Was
quite an extraordinary commencement speech. Rick Archer should interview
More in the press about Jim Carrey's commencement address:
Jim Carrey wise beyond his wiseguy ways | KCRG-TV9 | Cedar Rapids, Iowa News,
Sports, and Weather
Jim Carrey wise beyond his wiseguy ways | KCRG-TV9 ...
Hollywood funnyman gives commencement address in Fairfield By Diana Nollen, The
The graduate and the daughter.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Thanks. It was a nice ceremony.
He scored a 29 on his ACT, and got some good money from University of Dayton,
so that is where he is going.
Steve, they look like really nice young adults. And Univ of Dayton isn't so far
away (-:
On Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:07 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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The graduate and the daughter.
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