[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan coming to MUM for award

2006-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > Hot off the unofficial press - Donovan coming to MUM to perform at > > the end of the month. > > Such an incredible talent. > > A veritable storm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan coming to MUM for award

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan coming to MUM for award

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > Hot off the unofficial press - Donovan coming to MUM to perform at > the end > > of the month. > > > > Such an incredible talent. > > A verita

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Shemp > > You're welcome. Be aware that it's a paraphrase. up until the three > dots (...) it's pretty acurate, after that it sums up what he said in > kinda sorta those words. Maybe Rick can add to it to make it more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > In any event, the point here is that unless one is doing > a non-dual form of quiescence/transcendence meditation, > there will--by it's very nature always be not only some > dualism or some subtle meditational "effort" involved. To conti

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > True, but not necessarily "sad," if you mean they're not > experiencing transcendental consciousness by itself. If > the process never becomes automatic, that *is* "sad," but > only in the sense that the person h

[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan coming to MUM for award

2006-03-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > Hot off the unofficial press - Donovan coming to MUM to perform at > > the end

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another good reason to use an email program rather than a web browser > to answer your mail! :-) > > In any event, the point here is that unless one is doing a non- dual > form of quiescence/transcendence meditation, the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan coming to MUM for award

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > Hot off the unofficial press - Donovan coming to MUM to perform at > the end > > of the month. > > > > > > I heard him perform at Fairf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan coming to MUM for award

2006-03-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hot off the unofficial press - Donovan coming to MUM to perform at the end > of the month. > Such an incredible talent. A veritable storm of hits and creativity in the late '60s and then...what since then? Anyone

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for the heads-up on Cantor. The website on the Hotel Infinity > is good stuff. > ** > Wikipedia seems to have an awful lot on the subject. It's quite fun to contemplate deities whose hierachy is like the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I still believe that it owes a lot to Buddhism... > > > > > > > > That's a stretch. Many translations of the First > > > > Noble Truth have it as "Life is suffering," but > > > > that's not related in any way

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another good reason to use an email program rather than a web browser > to answer your mail! :-) > > In any event, the point here is that unless one is doing a non-dual > form of quiescence/transcendence meditation, ther

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
> > > > I still believe that it owes a lot to Buddhism... > > > > > > That's a stretch. Many translations of the First > > > Noble Truth have it as "Life is suffering," but > > > that's not related in any way to God, since they > > > don't believe in one. > > > > To say "life is suffering" implie

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 12, 2006, at 6:52 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > they're simply people responding to the post reagrding some style > > > of mindfullness or some simple adjustment that prevented "laxity" > > > or sleep during

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hello Judy, i have not been around here for awhile, > but today i checked in to see you lost your post > due to yahoo's demands. > > i have a helpful tip i discovered ... use firefox browser! > > it has the am

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another good reason to use an email program rather than a web > browser to answer your mail! :-) If there isn't an even better reason not to. As you may now have seen, I reconstructed my response, and I hope you'll reply to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread Vaj
On Mar 12, 2006, at 6:52 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > they're simply people responding to the post reagrding some style > > of mindfullness or some simple adjustment that prevented "laxity" > > or sleep during meditation. It's an important problem--even in the > > dome in FF--so people responded

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread george_deforest
hello Judy, i have not been around here for awhile, but today i checked in to see you lost your post due to yahoo's demands. i have a helpful tip i discovered ... use firefox browser! it has the amazing capacity that, when you finish logging back in, you can hit the "back button" and it will take

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since the checking notes explicitly say that sleep > during meditation is *not* a problem, no wonder they > didn't find a "solution" in checking. That sleep is > not a problem *is* the answer as far as checking is > c

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
OK, Vaj, here's my second attempt. Again, thanks for being willing to engage in reasoned discussion in this post. I hope we can continue it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My offline conversations are really, truly none of your > > > business. > > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread Vaj
Another good reason to use an email program rather than a web browser to answer your mail! :-)In any event, the point here is that unless one is doing a non-dual form of quiescence/transcendence meditation, there will--by it's very nature always be not only some dualism or some subtle meditationa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan coming to MUM for award

2006-03-12 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hot off the unofficial press - Donovan coming to MUM to perform at the end > of the month. > I heard him perform at Fairfield High School in 85, a great voice... Yahoo! Gr

[FairfieldLife] Re: pundits anyone?

2006-03-12 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nayakanayaka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > namaste! > > below you find a copy of a letter sent to donors by MGDF in 2001. > > no news since then... (except for the rumors everyone knows). > > >>is anyone in a position close enough to the truth to tell u

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Marek Reavis
Thanks for the heads-up on Cantor. The website on the Hotel Infinity is good stuff. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sama-dhi

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
MMY has also referred to samadhi as the samhita of rishi, devata and chhandas. Seems to me that I've seen samadhi translated as "sameness." --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > sama = quit or calm > > dhi = mind > > On Mar 12, 2006, at 2:02 AM, Michael Dean

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan coming to MUM for award

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hot off the unofficial press - Donovan coming to MUM to perform at the end > of the month. > What fun. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Story of young Guru Dev and the caves

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > After I posted the story about young Guru Dev and the caves ("there > is no empty cave here"), someone wrote to this list to say that the > story is NOT about Guru Dev (because they remember hearing some TM >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > > wrot

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > wrote: > > > > > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > wrote: > > > > > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > > > t

[FairfieldLife] CQM!

2006-03-12 Thread cardemaister
*** 33 New Molecules Solved Including Alkanes of Infinite Length! *** 03/10/06 Theoretical Breakthrough: Molecules Exactly Solved for the First Time - For the first time, significant building-block molecules of chemistry were successfully solved using physical laws in exact

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > ---

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 11, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > "Every day is life. We don't postpone the present based on the hopes > of a more glorious future...It doesn't just happen all at once, it's a > process...what makes you think that if you don't enjoy the process you > will enjoy being in Unity

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
Maybe the ultimate is like Avis--We Try Harder. Sal On Mar 12, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Nelson wrote: > If what we're calling God is not the ultimate, what is? > +++Whatever you are seeking, possibly the same.     Maybe the ultimate is upgraded from time to time-infinity plus one you know.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] pundits anyone?

2006-03-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
That's ok...in lieu of actual news, we'll take a good rumor any day. :) Sal On Mar 12, 2006, at 10:33 AM, nayakanayaka wrote: below you find a copy of a letter sent to donors by MGDF in 2001. no news since then... (except for the rumors everyone knows).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-12 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/11/06 11:13 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > When was that conference, Rick? I know there was a > two-week conference with about 120 governors in > September 1977, at which time I was on block three of > my citizen sidhis course. Was MMY calling from Europe > at the time? I

[FairfieldLife] Donovan coming to MUM for award

2006-03-12 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Donovan coming to MUM for award Hot off the unofficial press - Donovan coming to MUM to perform at the end of the month. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' S

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nisargadatta, Siddharamesh, Ramesh, Banganga (was: Fake Gurus ..)

2006-03-12 Thread Marek Reavis
Thanks, DoB, particularly for the quote from Siddharameshwar re Devotion and Knowledge. After reading I Am That the other translations edited by Jean Dunn and Robert Powell are/were at first kind of jarring, since the English isn't as polished. However, they are all great reads and the other tran

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- I

[FairfieldLife] pundits anyone?

2006-03-12 Thread nayakanayaka
namaste! below you find a copy of a letter sent to donors by MGDF in 2001. no news since then... (except for the rumors everyone knows). >>is anyone in a position close enough to the truth to tell us what is the current state of affairs in this?<< the fax on the letter is out of funtion, the

[FairfieldLife] Story of young Guru Dev and the caves

2006-03-12 Thread Michael Dean Goodman
After I posted the story about young Guru Dev and the caves ("there is no empty cave here"), someone wrote to this list to say that the story is NOT about Guru Dev (because they remember hearing some TM teacher tell it differently back in the 70s - about 30 years ago). I strongly disagree. I was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
Vaj, I spent quite a bit of time responding to your post, and when I clicked Send, Yahoo apparently burped, taking me to the page asking for a password. Normally when it wants your password so you can post, it requests the password after you've hit Reply but before you've had a chance to type anyt

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > That's a stretch. Many translations of the First > > > Noble Truth have it as "Life is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > > wrote: > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > That's a stretch. Many translations of the First > > Noble Truth have it as "Life is suffering," but > > that's not related in any way to God, since they > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > > wrote: > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > wrote: > > > > > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > wrote: > > > > > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > > > through an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > > wrote: > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > wrote: > > > > > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > > > t

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-12 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/11/06 7:37 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > These were two separate quotes (the one about the exhaust from a bus). > > > > The (other) quote was fairly close to the way I stated it below. Rick, > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 12, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: > > > > > > > It is just the observation that evolvi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > wrote: > > > > > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > wrote: > > > > > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > > > throu

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Mar 12, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: > > > > > It is just the observation that evolving in nature happens > > > through errors and in animals also b

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > wrote: > > > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > > through and from them. > > Question on this one point: By what standard can it >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > wrote: > > > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > > through and from them. > > Question on this one point: By what standard can it >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's "rhetorical," Def. :) > > Sal Thanks. Being native german, I did a 'literal' translation. > > On Mar 11, 2006, at 6:49 PM, defenders_of_bhakti wrote: > > > Well, we all know rethoric questions, don't we? (T

[FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta, Siddharamesh, Ramesh, Banganga (was: Fake Gurus ..)

2006-03-12 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you very much for the suggestion. Here are some quotations by Siddharameshwar, some stories about Ban Ganga, some reflections on Ramesh. First about Bhakti and Knowledge by Siddharameshwar Maharaj Guru of N

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 12, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: > > > It is just the observation that evolving in nature happens > > through errors and in animals also by avoiding the mistakes > > and as even in a more advanced form hum

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Vaj
On Mar 12, 2006, at 5:45 AM, defenders_of_bhakti wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Not to argue, but you seem to have missed this section:> > > Maharishi's commentary says:> >> >    "By 'homage' is meant submission or surrender."Sure, I saw it late

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Vaj
On Mar 12, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: > It is just the observation that evolving in nature happens through > errors and in animals also by avoiding the mistakes and as even in a > more advanced form humans can sometimes also learn from mistakes. I > consider the manifest creation t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > > wrote: > > > > > > Is BDSM on operating system? (Like FreeBSD) > > > > In a way...it stan

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > wrote: > > > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > > through and from them. > > Question on this one point: By what standard can it >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 12, 2006, at 8:29 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > wrote: > > > > > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > > > through and from them. > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Vaj
On Mar 12, 2006, at 8:29 AM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > > through and from them. > > Question on this one point: By what standard can it > be said that G

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns > through and from them. Question on this one point: By what standard can it be said that God makes mistakes? Yahoo! Groups

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > Not to argue, but you seem to have missed this section: > > > > > > > Maharis

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-12 Thread Vaj
On Mar 10, 2006, at 5:49 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > If there weren't such confusion, you'd be able to > > > respond straightforwardly to the points I'm > > > making, pro or con. Not only can you not do so, you > > > repeatedly attempt to shift ground or otherwise > > > obscure the debate. > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sama-dhi

2006-03-12 Thread Vaj
sama = quit or calmdhi = mindOn Mar 12, 2006, at 2:02 AM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: >--- In , cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > MDG often mentions "sama-dhi" meaning something > like 'even intellect'. Has anybody else heard > that translation? Is it Maharishi's? > I've heard Mahar

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My dictionary translates homage to mean respect, reverence, and not > surrender. And I understand the quotation in a way that also the > teacher should show homage to the student, give his advice after > repeate

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [That trust is also often called "homage", or even "devotion" or > "surrender" - and the path that encompasses this openness of heart > is called "bhakti". Once Self-realization is ripening, this open- > ness

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SELF-DOUBT AND CYNICISM VS. PROFOUND TRUST > From a Talk by Adyashanti > > "There is nothing more insidiously destructive to the attainment of > liberation than self-doubt and cynicism. Doubt is a movement

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wha??

2006-03-12 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://vedabase.net/en/ Interestingly enough, they count the Bhagavatam as Veda, just like the Upanishad. MMY had said that the Bhagavatam could only be understood when being in Unity. Not that you couldn't read i

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-12 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just found my old notebook, where I had written it down (I wasn't present, its just a copy that was circulated at some courses): "Every day is life. It is not that we pass on the present for some glorius future. We are w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Not to argue, but you seem to have missed this section: > > > > > Maharishi's commentary says: > > > > > >"By 'homage' is meant submission or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-12 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to argue, but you seem to have missed this section: > > > Maharishi's commentary says: > > > >"By 'homage' is meant submission or surrender." Sure, I saw it later, but he was of course quoting MMY. Not setting

[FairfieldLife] Wha??

2006-03-12 Thread cardemaister
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-12 Thread anonyff
Shemp You're welcome. Be aware that it's a paraphrase. up until the three dots (...) it's pretty acurate, after that it sums up what he said in kinda sorta those words. Maybe Rick can add to it to make it more accurate. Curly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]