[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Eve Lynch / Donovan

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
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  On Mar 25, 2006, at 9:09 PM, Vaj wrote:
  
On Mar 25, 2006, at 10:08 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:
  
 Any one see resemblances of Jerry Jarvis in Donovan's face.

 And why doesn't the audience sing?
  
I wonder if they are too young to know the words?
  
  Maybe they're all stoned. :)
  
  Sal
 

 They used the hidden object siddhi to  find your joint.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

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???What 
  marketable skills does any experienced high-level manager 
  have?

Depending on what that person is managing, lets at least start 
with some business management education, for the most 
part.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[Vaj]

On Mar 26, 2006, at 2:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:

 There was a fascinating show on TV the other day (20/20?  I forget
 which one...) and, apparently, research conclusively shows that if
 you are male, the more older brothers you have, the greater the
 probability that you will be gay.

It was on 60 Minutes, which may be streamable by now.



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[FairfieldLife] Science of Sexual Orientation was Lynch Day

[Vaj]

On Mar 26, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Vaj wrote:


 On Mar 26, 2006, at 2:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:

  There was a fascinating show on TV the other day (20/20?  I forget
  which one...) and, apparently, research conclusively shows that if
  you are male, the more older brothers you have, the greater the
  probability that you will be gay.

 It was on 60 Minutes, which may be streamable by now.


Yep, The Science Of Sexual Orientation at:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml

transcript at:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/09/60minutes/main1385230.shtml


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mar 26, 2006, at 2:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  There was a fascinating show on TV the other day (20/20?  I 
forget
  which one...) and, apparently, research conclusively shows that 
if
  you are male, the more older brothers you have, the greater the
  probability that you will be gay.
 
 It was on 60 Minutes, which may be streamable by now.

While something sounds fishy about this research,
there is certainly a movie plot in it. 

You know how parents in Asian countries abort their 
female kids to keep from having children they perceive 
as a liability? Well, if this research bears out it's
just a matter of time until homophobic parents start
aborting their third sons for the same reason.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Although personally (except for maybe 30 years ago when he just seemed
 like an overworked nice guy) I am not fond of Bevan, an astute
 recruiter would find these facts out about Bevan and be able to place
 him according to these facst, all fo which are true. 
  
 
 1)
 He has helped run, if not being nearly totally in charge-Executive
 Management--of a global organization with 100+ national leaders (or
 however many there are) then state/time-zone/regional directors and
 teachers at local levels (what would this amount to-having 20-30,000
 people under you). And he has done this for nearly 30 years. 
 
 2)
 Been president of a university with all the responsibilities that go
 along with it.
 
 3)
 Organized, orchestrated, hosted International and National Conferences
 all over the world, many of which have been attended by the top
 thinkers of our time in nearly all areas of concern.
 
 4)
 Made umpteen decisions, most of which we probably know absolutely
 nothing about, that affected the *bottom line*-probably decisions
 totalling in the billions of dollars.
 
 These are no small things and someone who deals with the upper upper
 echelon of people in the corporate world would be amazed to see the
 accomplishments of this person called Bevan who so many here like to
 put down for various reasons. I don't like him and his way of doing
 things, but I stand in awe of just how capable he is and for how many
 years he has constently functioned at this level.

I worked with corporate executives and couldn't disagree more.  I
can't begin to see Bevan functioning outside the unique movt envt, esp
at this point when he comes across as so imbalanced.  I can't imagine
bringing bevan in to try to talk executives into starting tm, or bevan
successfully running an organization.

Bevan never ran the university on a day to day practical level.  He's
hardly been there the past 20 yrs, except periodically to fire people
not deemed loyal and generally keep up the fear and cult atmosphere. 
Before his leadership the university was an intellectually and
spiritually exciting place.  It's been in decline ever since.  

Getting purusha to take out student loans in the 80s saved the place
financially then, and whoever came up with the idea of importing
african students as a way for them to visas as computer programmers is
keeping it afloat now.  Of course donations still come in for building
projects because that gets points with MMY, not because of bevan.  No
way it could survive by attracting and keeping normal western
students, the atmosphere is just too culty and the academics too weak,
that's all bevan's doing.

What specific project has bevan ever led that has been successful?  In
reality I mean, not in fancy talks and brochures, or in tmo press
releases or internal conferences.  My experience in the tmo was that
things got accomplished by the talented and devoted foot soldiers
despite the efforts of people like bevan, not due to them.











 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@
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  on 3/25/06 5:16 PM, MDixon6569@ at MDixon6569@ wrote:
  
   In a message dated 3/25/06 12:07:34 P.M. Central Standard Time,
   feste37@ writes:
   Morris  is a very smart guy and could probably have made a
 fortune had he
   chosen  to go into business.
   
   This  may very well be. But my original question is what
 marketable skills
   does Bevan have? Attorney, business management, teaching skills,
 negotiator,
   etc. that somebody would actually pay him for. I'm not being
 critical of the
   man, I sincerely wanting to know what  are his skills other than
 being devoted
   to M and doing what he is told to do and having lots of staff that
 do have
   skills such as attorneys  and business managers to help him.
   
  He has a brilliant mind and is an articulate public speaker, if you
 like his
  style. But he has a reputation for being a fear-based manager, and for
  firing people who express any tendency to think independently.
 Perhaps he
  thinks he¹s ³in tune with Maharishi¹s thinking² in that respect.
 







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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On Mar 26, 2006, at 9:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mar 26, 2006, at 2:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 
   There was a fascinating show on TV the other day (20/20?  I
 forget
   which one...) and, apparently, research conclusively shows that
 if
   you are male, the more older brothers you have, the greater the
   probability that you will be gay.
 
  It was on 60 Minutes, which may be streamable by now.

 While something sounds fishy about this research,
 there is certainly a movie plot in it.

 You know how parents in Asian countries abort their
 female kids to keep from having children they perceive
 as a liability? Well, if this research bears out it's
 just a matter of time until homophobic parents start
 aborting their third sons for the same reason.

Eventually you'll be able to have genetic testing most. Can you  
imagine X-tian testing clinics which also allow pre-gay child  
foetuscide? I can.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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snip
 There was a fascinating show on TV the other day (20/20?  I forget 
 which one...) and, apparently, research conclusively shows that if 
 you are male, the more older brothers you have, the greater the 
 probability that you will be gay.
 
 One of the theories given for this on the show is (and I hope I am 
 representing this correctly) is that the XY chromosome which is
 what distinguishes a male from a female (women are XX) is 
 a foreign substance to a woman when she is carrying a male child 
 in her womb.
  
 As a result, her body secretes a kind of antibody to counter-act 
 this foreign substance each time she carries a male child and, over 
 time, this builds up.  And this antibody will diminish 
 the maleness of the XY and increase the feminine qualities of the 
 male child.

I'm a bit skeptical of this as stated, depending on
what is meant by feminine qualities.  Sounds as
though this theory is based on a stereotype of gay
men.  Many of them aren't the least bit feminine
except in that they find other men more sexually
attractive than they do women.

How would you measure scientifically the degree of
feminine qualities in a male?  If it's just a matter
of outward appearance and how well it conforms to
social notions of what is masculine and what is
feminine, a lot of gay men wouldn't fit the theory
at all.

And how would you account for lesbians, among whom
there is also a range from masculine-appearing to
feminine-appearing?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't know where the anti-gay sentiment in the movement came from. I
 never thought it came from MMY but I don't know. There were several
 very obviously gay men on my ttc many many years ago, they would wear
 tuxedos and one of the guys walked in a very very obvious way.
 However, I don't know if, in Maharishi's world, he had enough
 experience to know (this was 1971) about this gay thing. 
 
 I had some a friend who was about half way through his Masters degree
 at MIU who got kicked off the program and off campus when someone made
 it a point to let the administration know he was gay. This was in the
 late 70s.

Late 70s?  That's surprising.  I hadn't heard of any gay purges
pre-bevan rule.  Personally I think his attitude comes from deeply
repressed questions about his own sexuality, projection stuff ... but
we'll never know.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mar 26, 2006, at 9:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   On Mar 26, 2006, at 2:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:
  
There was a fascinating show on TV the other day (20/20?  I
  forget
which one...) and, apparently, research conclusively shows 
that
  if
you are male, the more older brothers you have, the greater 
the
probability that you will be gay.
  
   It was on 60 Minutes, which may be streamable by now.
 
  While something sounds fishy about this research,
  there is certainly a movie plot in it.
 
  You know how parents in Asian countries abort their
  female kids to keep from having children they perceive
  as a liability? Well, if this research bears out it's
  just a matter of time until homophobic parents start
  aborting their third sons for the same reason.
 
 Eventually you'll be able to have genetic testing most. Can you  
 imagine X-tian testing clinics which also allow pre-gay child  
 foetuscide? I can.

Exactly. That's where I was going with the plot 
idea. And they'd find a way to justify it. Killing
a normal child via abortion is murder, but getting
rid of an abomination is God's will.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote:
 
  I don't know where the anti-gay sentiment in the movement came 
from. I
  never thought it came from MMY but I don't know. There were 
several
  very obviously gay men on my ttc many many years ago, they would 
wear
  tuxedos and one of the guys walked in a very very obvious way.
  However, I don't know if, in Maharishi's world, he had enough
  experience to know (this was 1971) about this gay thing. 
  
  I had some a friend who was about half way through his Masters 
degree
  at MIU who got kicked off the program and off campus when 
someone made
  it a point to let the administration know he was gay. This was 
in the
  late 70s.
 
 Late 70s?  That's surprising.  I hadn't heard of any gay purges
 pre-bevan rule.  Personally I think his attitude comes from deeply
 repressed questions about his own sexuality, projection stuff ... 
 but we'll never know.

True, we'll never know. 

But here's a question for Shemp. Remember when Bevan
was the nominal course leader for our siddhis course
in St. Moritz? (Meaning that he dropped in every few
weeks and made a few pronouncements about why Maharishi
never deigned to visit the course.)

Since the subject has come up about the way people 
move and gay/straight stereotypes, everyone I knew on 
that course assumed that Bevan was gay. Everyone. How 
'bout in your crowd?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Eve Lynch / Donovan

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ 
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  Can you imagine a concert / telecast / podcast / DVD on Love, Peace
  and Consciousness -- with Donovan, Paul McCartney, Mike Love, Joni
  Mitchell,  -- possibly Robbie Krieger and other remaining Doors, etc.
  -- With lynch and Heather Graham as MCs. 
  
  It might be a spark that sets things blazing a bit.
  
  At a minimum it would be a killer PBS fundraising show.  haha.
 
 If you included Joni because you thought she practices
 TM or was favorable towards it, you'd better find a 
 replacement musician. Neither was true as of about 
 three years ago.

Actually she was kind of a stretch. I figured she had stopped or
became irregular some years ago. But might get into a concert with
Donovan, Paul, Mike etc.









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

[Sal Sunshine]

On Mar 26, 2006, at 8:20 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:

 I worked with corporate executives and couldn't disagree more.  I
 can't begin to see Bevan functioning outside the unique movt envt, esp
 at this point when he comes across as so imbalanced.  I can't imagine
 bringing bevan in to try to talk executives into starting tm, or bevan
 successfully running an organization.

 Bevan never ran the university on a day to day practical level.  

Mark,
This is so true.  When I got my MA there in the early 90s, the one and only time we ever saw Bevan was at graduation, when he flew in just in time to hand out diplomas.  As you say, he has little real idea of how to accomplish the day-to-day things that any good administrator needs to make to keep things running, and very few managerial skills that would enable such a large number of people to work together to keep the place going.  If it hadn't been for the constant bailouts year after year he'd have been out of a job long ago.  What he has contributed is not clear, but it sure isn't anything obvious or practical. The school has long been like a rudderless ship.

He's
 hardly been there the past 20 yrs, except periodically to fire people
 not deemed loyal and generally keep up the fear and cult atmosphere. 
 Before his leadership the university was an intellectually and
 spiritually exciting place.  It's been in decline ever since.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Eve Lynch / Donovan

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Can you imagine a concert / telecast / podcast / DVD on Love, Peace
  and Consciousness -- with Donovan, Paul McCartney, Mike Love, Joni
  Mitchell,  -- possibly Robbie Krieger and other remaining Doors, etc.
  -- With lynch and Heather Graham as MCs. 
 
 
 As Rollergirl?
 
 Naked?
 
 How about Chloe Sevigny from Brown Bunny?
 
 
I'm a Chloe Sevigny  fan -- does she do TM?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Since the subject has come up about the way people 
 move and gay/straight stereotypes, everyone I knew on 
 that course assumed that Bevan was gay. Everyone. How 
 'bout in your crowd?

Boy, I was just going to say!  It's the way he *speaks*
as much as, or more than, how he moves.  It sure does
conform to the stereotype of how gay men speak.  I was
a bit startled to hear the rumors about his affairs
with women.

But then, there are men I've been startled to learn
were having affairs with other men.  Beware the
stereotypes...









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Eve Lynch / Donovan

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   Can you imagine a concert / telecast / podcast / DVD on Love, Peace
   and Consciousness -- with Donovan, Paul McCartney, Mike Love, Joni
   Mitchell,  -- possibly Robbie Krieger and other remaining Doors, etc.
   -- With lynch and Heather Graham as MCs. 
  
  
  As Rollergirl?
  
  Naked?
  
  How about Chloe Sevigny from Brown Bunny?
  
  
 I'm a Chloe Sevigny  fan -- does she do TM?


Don't know, but she is on a new HBO series called Big Love, about polygamy in a 
Mormopn 
family. She is one of 3 wives of a successful businessman.  Wonderful actors.  
 If you are intererested in a fascinating book on fundalmentalist Mormon 
history and 
Mormon sects, and the general history of Mormonism, read Jon Krakauer's Under 
the 
Banner of Heaven.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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on 3/25/06 11:29 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Bobby Roth is a walking advertisment. He looks the same as 30
 years ago.
 
 I was better friends with his brother, Tom.  Any idea what's up with
 him?

Tom has been openly gay for a number of years, with the same partner for a
long time, and last I talked to him, he was recertified and trying to do the
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  I don't know where the anti-gay sentiment in the
 movement came from. I
  never thought it came from MMY but I don't know.
 There were several
  very obviously gay men on my ttc many many years
 ago, they would wear
  tuxedos and one of the guys walked in a very very
 obvious way.
  However, I don't know if, in Maharishi's world, he
 had enough
  experience to know (this was 1971) about this gay
 thing. 
  
  I had some a friend who was about half way through
 his Masters degree
  at MIU who got kicked off the program and off
 campus when someone made
  it a point to let the administration know he was
 gay. This was in the
  late 70s.
 
 Late 70s?  That's surprising.  I hadn't heard of any
 gay purges
 pre-bevan rule.  Personally I think his attitude
 comes from deeply
 repressed questions about his own sexuality,
 projection stuff ... but
 we'll never know.

When I was at MIU from 74 to 78 there were several
obviously gay guys and nobody gave a hoot, let alone
the MIU administration. But this was back in the
normal days of the TMO and MIU before the demons
took over.



 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[Peter]

The last time big Bev and I oiled-up together he
claimed he wasn't gay.

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 snip
  Since the subject has come up about the way people
 
  move and gay/straight stereotypes, everyone I knew
 on 
  that course assumed that Bevan was gay. Everyone.
 How 
  'bout in your crowd?
 
 Boy, I was just going to say!  It's the way he
 *speaks*
 as much as, or more than, how he moves.  It sure
 does
 conform to the stereotype of how gay men speak.  I
 was
 a bit startled to hear the rumors about his affairs
 with women.
 
 But then, there are men I've been startled to learn
 were having affairs with other men.  Beware the
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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

[Patrick Gillam]

--- markmeredith2002 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff wrote:
  
  I had some a friend who was about half way through his Masters degree
  at MIU who got kicked off the program and off campus when someone made
  it a point to let the administration know he was gay. This was in the
  late 70s.
 
 Late 70s?  That's surprising.  I hadn't heard of any gay purges
 pre-bevan rule.  

I was too clueless to pick up any gay presence at MIU, 
so it came as a shock one morning when some anonymous 
contingent of gay students taped posters to the doors of 
all the dormitories. (My memory is extremely hazy about 
all this, so I welcome corrections.)

Anyway, the 8-1/2 x 11 handwritten, photocopied papers 
said, basically, We're tired of being in the closet and 
demand recognition. 

I can tell you, the whole thing made me extremely 
uncomfortable at the time, and I wasn't alone. (I had 
the usual hetero ick factor response that's come up 
in this forum.) But to make matters worse, the posters 
appeared on the day the North Central Accreditation 
Review Board was coming to campus. (Maybe this was 
the spring of 1980, because the school got accredited 
just before I graduated.) It was as if the gays were crying 
out to the wider world, We're in prison here. Help! I could 
not understand it in the least.

I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan 
said something to the effect that that these people were 
trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage 
the image of the school before the wider world.

You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, 
hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from 
that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the 
program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school 
was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed 
like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down 
right away, of course.)

I don't know what the status of gays is in the TMO today.






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[FairfieldLife] India Mirror of Truth book

[wayback71]

I just finished this book and really enjoyed it. I wondered about the incidents 
with the 
siddha wo called himself Keshava. Dr. Pete, is that the incident you felt did 
not ring true?  
What was the response on that from Steve Briggs? I cannot find in the postings 
here.  Also, 
what is going on with Steve now?  Still involved in TM if not on Purusha?





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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan 
 said something to the effect that that these people were 
 trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage 
 the image of the school before the wider world.
 
 You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, 
 hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from 
 that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the 
 program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school 
 was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed 
 like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down 
 right away, of course.)

Forget the gay thing...what you have just described
is the entire history of the TM movement from Day
One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the 
closet, followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation 
when the closet door is thrown open and all-too-
normal interiors of the closet are revealed. 

It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM
having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages
never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever
committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every-
body being straight. 

Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of 
the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of 
what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him 
who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
it for what it is.

  










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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

[a_non_moose_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
 jpgillam@ wrote:
 
  I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan 
  said something to the effect that that these people were 
  trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage 
  the image of the school before the wider world.
  
  You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, 
  hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from 
  that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the 
  program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school 
  was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed 
  like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down 
  right away, of course.)
 
 Forget the gay thing...what you have just described
 is the entire history of the TM movement from Day
 One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the 
 closet,

Not from Day One. Maybe from Month Two or so.

And I know a number of people who just did TM and remained quite
counter-culture, counter-pretense.


 followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation 
 when the closet door is thrown open and all-too-
 normal interiors of the closet are revealed. 
 
 It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM
 having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages
 never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever
 committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every-
 body being straight. 
 
 Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
 the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of 
 the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of 
 what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him 
 who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
 it for what it is.







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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
  jpgillam@ wrote:
  
   I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan 
   said something to the effect that that these people were 
   trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage 
   the image of the school before the wider world.
   
   You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, 
   hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from 
   that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the 
   program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school 
   was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed 
   like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down 
   right away, of course.)
  
  Forget the gay thing...what you have just described
  is the entire history of the TM movement from Day
  One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the 
  closet,
 
 Not from Day One. Maybe from Month Two or so.

:-) Possibly so. It was already true with the IMS
and SRM groups in L.A., even before SIMS was ever
formed. 
 
 And I know a number of people who just did TM and remained 
 quite counter-culture, counter-pretense.

I'm sure there were many. But they didn't work 
within the TM movement. I'm talking about what 
it was like in the centers and the TM communities.

  followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation 
  when the closet door is thrown open and all-too-
  normal interiors of the closet are revealed. 
  
  It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM
  having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages
  never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever
  committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every-
  body being straight. 
  
  Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
  the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of 
  the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of 
  what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him 
  who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
  it for what it is.
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@
  wrote:
  
   on 3/25/06 5:40 PM, MDixon6569@ at MDixon6569@ wrote:
   
In a message dated 3/25/06 12:34:57 P.M. Central Standard Time,
sparaig@ writes:
Resume:  president of a small private college for 20 years with
hundreds of  mentions in national magazines and TV shows, etc.

Yeah, forklift  operator material, right.
  snip
    Being in construction for many years. I would agree that
  warehouse forktruck operating is probably not rocket science. 
 However,
  seeing the big ones moving overweight machinery(one of which pieces
  would overload a semi), and seeing oversized loads put into, or
  removed from impossibly tight places, you get the feeling of 
 watching
  a surgeon- and these guys are usually unimpressed with 
 themselves.   N.
 
 
 Entirely different skillsets. Would you want Albert Einstein to be a 
 forklift operator either?

+++ You are right- It is different and, Al did well in his field as it
turned out.
I just wonder how it happens that different skills have different
importance attached to them.
If good teachers had a higher level of importance in everyones
view,wouldn't things be much improved?
A lawyer makes quite an hourly rate compared to a truck driver.
The truck brings things to eat- the lawyer talks about it and, in
terms of relative importance, there seems to be quite a financial
discrepancy.
I am from an earlier era where we got along well without any kind
of plastic and the boomers hadn't started to arrive yet and the people
doing things outnumbered the ones talking about it.
I guess that would tend to give one an odd view of the current
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[FairfieldLife] Guy with sunglasses?

[Vaj]

Who was the guy with sunglasses on during the question session with  
Donovan who wanted Donovan to sing a response on different words for  
consciousness, both other, higher and demonic?

Are these locals or people who came from all over?

Interesting response to the question on the Rishikesh sex scandals.  
At least there is freedom of speech during live streaming, it was  
cool the question could be asked and answered live.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: I wonder what would happen if someone would pull a Jesse Helms at MUM...

[Nelson]

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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   

 Do you know more about this Lonnie Gamble?  Is he a TMer and why is 
 he at MUM?  Is he a friend of Lynch's?

 He is my neighbor a few houses away in a small subdivision
between fairfield and vedic city.
 Long time TMer-often in dome.
 Was a pioneer in getting interest in pv and wind power here.
 Has been teaching a course in that along with Kieth W. at the
college.
 I recently did the metal work for a solar system they set up as a
teaching modle on campus next to the green house.
 Don't know if he knows Mr lynch.
 As an extra bit of trivia, Jeru H. is also on the street and,
from what I gather, he is a BTO - drives a late modle Mercedes which I
have pulled out of the ditch a few times in the winter as he insists
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 3/26/06 8:15:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You know 
  how parents in Asian countries abort their female kids to keep from having 
  children they perceive as a liability? Well, if this research bears out 
  it'sjust a matter of time until homophobic parents startaborting their 
  third sons for the same reason.

So does this mean there will be legitimate reasons to evolve 
why a woman can not have an abortion?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 3/26/06 8:24:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Eventually you'll be able to have genetic testing most. Can you 
  imagine X-tian testing clinics which also allow pre-gay child 
  foetuscide? I can.

Think a little harder on that one Vaj. More likely Gay rights 
organizations will demand that that kind of screening not be 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[lurkernomore20002000]

   
   I was better friends with his brother, Tom.  Any idea what's 
up with 
  him?
 
 
 Tommy Roth is gay and lives in San Francisco. He left Purusha many
 years ago to *come out*-saw a Jyotishi to find out the best time to
 *come out* and somehow-I guess because he comes from the famous 
Roth
 family, it's okay for him to be gay and recertified. 
 
 He runs a very successful gay travel agency right on Castro Street 
in
 San Francisco In addition, he has stimulated quite a bit of TM 
related
 activity in SF as well. 

Yea, it looks like he's successful.  Funny, he never seemed like he 
was too business minded.  Did you say was recertified?  I thought a 
qualification was full time - laddy da, laddy da.

lurk
 
 Here's some links to his companies
 http://www.gaytravelnews.com/
 http://www.communitymarketinginc.com/tagaccommodations.cfm
 
 Here's a quote by him from a different website:
 
 Tom Roth, president of Community Marketing, notes, Gays and 
lesbians
 tend to have more discretionary income, as very few have the 
expenses
 of child-rearing.
 
 But Roth also says that vacations offer a different kind of escape 
for
 homosexuals.
 
 There's often a need to get away, to be in an environment where 
you
 feel comfortable being open about your sexuality, he says.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[lurkernomore20002000]

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wrote:

Tom has been openly gay for a number of years, with the same partner 
for a
 long time, and last I talked to him, he was recertified and trying 
to do the
 peace palace thing in San Francisco.

Okay, that splains the recert deal.  Thanks.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 3/26/06 8:27:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
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 I 
  don't know where the anti-gay sentiment in the movement came from. I 
  never thought it came from MMY 

I don't think the above comment came from Mark but from 
somebody that answered him. Years ago a friend of mine claims to have heard 
M say in a private meeting that homosexuals have to stop what they are 
doing or even he won't be able to help them. This was around the late sixties or 
early seventies. Other comments in the meeting by M made it very clear 
homosexuality was a very grave violation of natural law. This may have been the 
seed that caused the anti -gay sentiment 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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  Eventually you'll be able to have genetic testing most. Can you  
  imagine X-tian testing clinics which also allow pre-gay child  
  foetuscide? I can.Exactly. That's where I was going with the plot 
  idea. And they'd find a way to justify it. Killinga "normal" child via 
  abortion is murder, but gettingrid of an abomination is God's 
  will.

Wow , you really are anti -Christian aren't you? Christianity 
would demand the birth of the child in hopes the child would benurtured to 
make the right choices. Christians believe homosexuality is a choice , not a 
matter of genetic inheritance. Now if you want to ascribe such a scenario to 
somebody like Hitler, you have a point, but not to a practicing 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 3/26/06 8:30:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Eventually you'll be able to have genetic testing most. Can 
  you  
  imagine X-tian testing clinics which also allow pre-gay child  
  foetuscide? I can.
 
 Exactly. That's where I was going with the plot  
 idea. And they'd find a way to justify it. Killing
 a normal child via  abortion is murder, but getting
 rid of an abomination is God's  will.
 
 Wow , you really are anti -Christian aren't you? 
 Christianity  would demand the birth of the child 
 in hopes the child would be nurtured to  make the right 
 choices. Christians believe homosexuality is a choice , 
 not a  matter of genetic inheritance. Now if you want 
 to ascribe such a scenario to  somebody like 
 Hitler, you have a point, but not to a practicing  
 Christian.

You really *haven't* been paying attention to 
the country you live in, have you?







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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In a message dated 3/26/06 9:17:09 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The last 
  time big Bev and I oiled-up together heclaimed he wasn't 
  gay.

Well hell, neither was one of the cowboys in Brokeback 
Mountain! It just happened.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 3/26/06 9:47:40 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Forget 
  the gay thing...what you have just describedis the entire history of the 
  TM movement from DayOne -- pretense and hiding its normality in the 
  closet, followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation when the closet 
  door is thrown open and all-too-normal interiors of the closet are 
  revealed. It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about 
  TMhaving so negative side effects, or about TM marriagesnever failing, 
  or about no one in TM communities evercommitting suicide or seeing 
  shrinks, or about every-body being straight. Whatever the 
  specifics were, the bottom line was alwaysthe same -- pretense. Pretending 
  that the actuality of the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims 
  of what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him who pulls 
  back the curtain on that pretense and revealsit for what it 
  is. 

Boy, did you hit the nail on the 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 3/26/06 11:37:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Exactly. That's where I was going with the plot  idea. And 
  they'd find a way to justify it. Killing a "normal" child 
  via abortion is murder, but getting rid of an abomination is 
  God's will.  Wow , you really are anti -Christian aren't 
  you?  Christianity would demand the birth of the child  
  in hopes the child would be nurtured to make the right  choices. 
  Christians believe homosexuality is a choice ,  not a matter of 
  genetic inheritance. Now if you want  to ascribe such a scenario 
  to somebody like  Hitler, you have a point, but not to a 
  practicing  Christian.You really *haven't* been paying 
  attention to the country you live in, have 
yo

Probably much more than you. I assume you can give a few 
examples of exactly what you mean. I have never heard of anyconsensus of 
Christian leaders that would ever suggest anybody be aborted for any reason 
other than to save the life of the mother.However the Human secularist 
will give you any number of reasons *why* a fetus *should*be 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 3/26/06 11:37:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Exactly. That's where I was going with the plot  
  idea. And  they'd find a way to justify it. Killing
  a normal child  via  abortion is murder, but getting
  rid of an abomination is  God's  will.
  
  Wow , you really are anti -Christian aren't  you? 
  Christianity  would demand the birth of the child 
   in hopes the child would be nurtured to  make the right 
  choices.  Christians believe homosexuality is a choice , 
  not a  matter of  genetic inheritance. Now if you want 
  to ascribe such a scenario  to  somebody like 
  Hitler, you have a point, but not to a  practicing  
  Christian.
 
 You really *haven't* been paying  attention to 
 the country you live in, have  yo
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Probably much more than you. I assume you can give a few  examples 
of exactly 
 what you mean. I have never heard of any consensus of  Christian 
leaders that 
 would ever suggest anybody be aborted for any reason  other than 
to save the 
 life of the mother. However the Human secularist  will give you 
any number of 
 reasons *why* a fetus *should*be  aborted.

I'm not talking about Christian leaders, I'm talking
about what many self-professed Christians would 
do if it became obvious that they were going to have a 
son that was going to grow up gay. Suddenly what their 
church said to do wouldn't matter a damn, any more than
the words You should be celibate before marriage meant 
anything to them when they've got a hardon and a few
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 3/26/06 8:51:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 (Side  note: I wish to heck folks could bring themselves
 to use the term uterus  rather than the biblical-
 sounding womb when they're speaking  clinically.  We
 no longer shy away from penis and vagina; why  should
 uterus seem so threatening a term that we have to
 substitute  womb?)
 
 
 
 Because Uterus to the Tomb doesn't rhyme. Womb to the tomb  does. Jesse 
 Jackson would never say uterus, what the hell rhymes with  uterus?

+++  Nuterus?






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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 3/26/06 9:47:40 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Forget  the gay thing...what you have just described
 is the entire history of the  TM movement from Day
 One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the  
 closet, followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation 
 when the closet  door is thrown open and all-too-
 normal interiors of the closet are  revealed. 
 
 It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about  TM
 having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages
 never failing,  or about no one in TM communities ever
 committing suicide or seeing  shrinks, or about every-
 body being straight. 
 
 Whatever the  specifics were, the bottom line was always
 the same -- pretense. Pretending  that the actuality of 
 the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims  of 
 what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him 
 who pulls  back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
 it for what it  is.
 
 Boy, did you hit the nail on the  head!

+++ Sadly, it seems like same thing in government- if the facts don't
fit the picture and, they are denied hard enough, they are supposed to
go away.   N.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
  Because Uterus to the Tomb doesn't rhyme. Womb to the tomb
  does. Jesse Jackson would never say uterus, what the hell 
  rhymes with  uterus?
 
 +++  Nuterus?

This misuse of the common word uterus
Is nothing less than a plot to neuter us,
typed the old woman into her computerus,
just before stepping on her own hooterus.

:-)








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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

[a_non_moose_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
   jpgillam@ wrote:
   
I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan 
said something to the effect that that these people were 
trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage 
the image of the school before the wider world.

You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, 
hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from 
that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the 
program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school 
was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed 
like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down 
right away, of course.)
   
   Forget the gay thing...what you have just described
   is the entire history of the TM movement from Day
   One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the 
   closet,
  
  Not from Day One. Maybe from Month Two or so.
 
 :-) Possibly so. It was already true with the IMS
 and SRM groups in L.A., even before SIMS was ever
 formed.   

SIMS is eternal, part of the Ved.:)

I was thinking Squaw Valley 68, which you said you were there. It was
not exactly a conformist camp.

And pre 1970 the Berkeley Center -- while generally dignified, had
some deifinte color. No one was turned away for lackof funds: you
can't afford the $35, ok what can you pay?/. And things like, I
remember one morning, Nat Goldhaber wandered down to the front desk,
as a day of initiations was begining (he lived there) in his
underwear, with cowboy boots on, yelling about this or that.


Even first year mallorca was a bit loose. No ties, could grow breards.
etc. I was shocked when I went to Fuiggi for rounding. Ties required,
much more straight-laced.




  And I know a number of people who just did TM and remained 
  quite counter-culture, counter-pretense.
 
 I'm sure there were many. But they didn't work 
 within the TM movement. I'm talking about what 
 it was like in the centers and the TM communities.
 
   followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation 
   when the closet door is thrown open and all-too-
   normal interiors of the closet are revealed. 
   
   It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM
   having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages
   never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever
   committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every-
   body being straight. 
   
   Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
   the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of 
   the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of 
   what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him 
   who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
   it for what it is.
  
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 3/26/06 8:51:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
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 (Side  note: I wish to heck folks could bring themselves
 to use the term uterus  rather than the biblical-
 sounding womb when they're speaking  clinically.  We
 no longer shy away from penis and vagina; why  should
 uterus seem so threatening a term that we have to
 substitute  womb?)
 
 Because Uterus to the Tomb doesn't rhyme. Womb to the tomb  does. 
 Jesse Jackson would never say uterus, what the hell rhymes with  
 uterus?

Do you know anybody who imparts clinical information in
rhyme?

Womb is fine when you're speaking in biblical terms.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guy with sunglasses?

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 Who was the guy with sunglasses on during the question session with  
 Donovan who wanted Donovan to sing a response on different words for  
 consciousness, both other, higher and demonic?
 
 Are these locals or people who came from all over?
 
 Interesting response to the question on the Rishikesh sex scandals.  
 At least there is freedom of speech during live streaming, it was  
 cool the question could be asked and answered live.


I missed it. What did he say?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 3/26/06 11:37:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
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   Exactly. That's where I was going with the plot  
  idea. And  they'd find a way to justify it. Killing
  a normal child  via  abortion is murder, but getting
  rid of an abomination is  God's  will.
  
  Wow , you really are anti -Christian aren't  you? 
  Christianity  would demand the birth of the child 
   in hopes the child would be nurtured to  make the right 
  choices.  Christians believe homosexuality is a choice , 
  not a  matter of  genetic inheritance. Now if you want 
  to ascribe such a scenario  to  somebody like 
  Hitler, you have a point, but not to a  practicing  
  Christian.
 
 You really *haven't* been paying  attention to 
 the country you live in, have  yo
 
 Probably much more than you. I assume you can give a few  examples 
 of exactly what you mean. I have never heard of any consensus of  
 Christian leaders that would ever suggest anybody be aborted for 
 any reason  other than to save the life of the mother. However the 
 Human secularist

As opposed to the *non*-human secularist?

 will give you any number of reasons *why* a fetus 
 *should*be  aborted.

Actually, I've never heard a secularist give any reasons
why a fetus *should* be aborted, only reasons why the
decision should be left to the woman and her doctor.

(FWIW, Yahoo's threading is *way* screwed up on the Web
site.  Clicking on Up Thread for this post took me to
a much earlier post from Vaj, the one in which he 
evaded Lawson's question as to what he had meant by
Vedic.  I clicked on Up Thread in the first place
because I hadn't seen the post MDixon was replying to,
so the Web site may be eating posts as well, unless
Barry has been canceling his--it's the second post in
as many days of his that I've seen only quoted in a
response.)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Eve Lynch / Donovan

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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   Can you imagine a concert / telecast / podcast / DVD on Love, 
Peace
   and Consciousness -- with Donovan, Paul McCartney, Mike Love, 
Joni
   Mitchell,  -- possibly Robbie Krieger and other remaining 
Doors, etc.
   -- With lynch and Heather Graham as MCs. 
  
  
  As Rollergirl?
  
  Naked?
  
  How about Chloe Sevigny from Brown Bunny?
  
  
 I'm a Chloe Sevigny  fan -- does she do TM?


No, but do make a point of picking up Brown Bunny...and you can 
save yourself time by fast-forwarding through the first 1 1/2 hours 
of Vincent Gallo driving across country to the last 10 minutes of he 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: I wonder what would happen if someone would pull a Jesse Helms at MUM...

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   shempmcgurk@ wrote:

After reading here on this forum that David Lynch is going 
to be 
   at 
MUM today, I wonder what the reaction of the administration 
  would 
   be 
if someone were to hand out stills of some of scenes from 
some 
  of 
Lynch's movies, such as the lesbian scenes from Mulholland 
  Drive.

I hate the hypocricy of the TMO.  It may be convenient of 
them 
  to 
have Lynch as a spokesman for them now ('cause there ain't 
no 
  one 
else of much fame at this point, let's face it) and they are 
   looking 
the other way when it comes to the kinds of morality that 
they 
   would 
otherwise accept.

So it would amuse me to see someone push the issue.
   
   
   **
   
   Well, if Lynch's lesbians bum you out,
  
  
  
  Why, my dear man, would you assume that lesbians bum me out
  
  Indeed, I think the this bed is big enough for the two of us 
scene 
  from Mulholland Drive surpassed the Catherine Deneuve/Susan 
  Sarandon scene from The Hunger as cinema's all-time best 
lesbian 
  scene.
  
  It is the hypocracy of the TMO that bums me out and I'd love to 
see 
  someone shove the lesbian scene into their face and see them 
come to 
  terms with it.
  
 
 I'd just like to see them teach TM at a reasonable price. :-) 
That'd
 be alternative enough for me.
 And stay out of all the other stuff. 



...a simple two-step program for success, I'd say!



 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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 As opposed to the *non*-human secularist?
 

I heard HHDL speak the other day on CNN about the virtues of secular
spirituality -- focusing on doing good and helping others. He said God
gets in the way sometimes. I think referring to religious rivalries --
a la 'My God's dick is bigger than your God's dick'. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: I wonder what would happen if someone would pull a Jesse Helms at MUM...

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  Why, my dear man, would you assume that lesbians bum me out
  
  Indeed, I think the this bed is big enough for the two of us 
  scene from Mulholland Drive surpassed the Catherine 
  Deneuve/Susan Sarandon scene from The Hunger as cinema's 
  all-time best lesbian scene.
 
 Hate to rain on your parade, but that's a body double
 for Catherine Deneuve through most of the scene.


Look, the whole goddamn medium of cinema is an illustion so it matters 
not a hoot to me whether it is really Deneuve or not.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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snip
  Probably much more than you. I assume you can give a few  
examples 
  of exactly what you mean. I have never heard of any consensus of  
  Christian leaders that would ever suggest anybody be aborted for 
  any reason  other than to save the life of the mother. However 
the 
  Human secularist
 
 As opposed to the *non*-human secularist?
 
  will give you any number of reasons *why* a fetus 
  *should*be  aborted.
 
 Actually, I've never heard a secularist give any reasons
 why a fetus *should* be aborted, only reasons why the
 decision should be left to the woman and her doctor.

P.S.:  On the other hand, I've heard plenty of religionists,
including Christians, say the same thing.

Nobody is *in favor of* abortion.  But it's funny how
many right-wingers are distinctly *not* in favor of
measures that would help make abortion unnecessary, like
education about birth control, or in some cases even
making birth control *available*.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
[...]
 Bevan never ran the university on a day to day practical level.  


Exactly the opposite of Rick's claim that he micromanages.

He's
 hardly been there the past 20 yrs, except periodically to fire 
people
 not deemed loyal and generally keep up the fear and cult 
atmosphere. 

Rick says he's in constant contact, but he agrees with you about the 
fearthing.

 Before his leadership the university was an intellectually and
 spiritually exciting place.  It's been in decline ever since.  
 

SIgh. MIU was founded in 1971 and moved to Fairfieldin 1974. It 
gained accreditation candadacy in 1975, and was fully accredited the 
year Bevan moved to Fairfield as its President in 1980.

In other words, Bevan has been its President since it offered 
accredited degree programs (since its been a real university).


 Getting purusha to take out student loans in the 80s saved the place
 financially then, and whoever came up with the idea of importing
 african students as a way for them to visas as computer programmers 
is
 keeping it afloat now.  Of course donations still come in for 
building
 projects because that gets points with MMY, not because of bevan.  

What does that have to do with running the university?

No
 way it could survive by attracting and keeping normal western
 students, the atmosphere is just too culty and the academics too 
weak,
 that's all bevan's doing.

Why do you consider the academics weak?

 
 What specific project has bevan ever led that has been successful? 

Other than MUM for the past 25+ years, you mean?

 In
 reality I mean, not in fancy talks and brochures, or in tmo press
 releases or internal conferences.  My experience in the tmo was that
 things got accomplished by the talented and devoted foot soldiers
 despite the efforts of people like bevan, not due to them.
 

That might be the case, but given how inaccurate your implicit 
history of MUM has been, I'd take your concusions with a few tons of 
rocksalt.

 






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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- markmeredith2002 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff wrote:
   
   I had some a friend who was about half way through his Masters 
degree
   at MIU who got kicked off the program and off campus when 
someone made
   it a point to let the administration know he was gay. This was 
in the
   late 70s.
  
  Late 70s?  That's surprising.  I hadn't heard of any gay purges
  pre-bevan rule.  
 
 I was too clueless to pick up any gay presence at MIU, 
 so it came as a shock one morning when some anonymous 
 contingent of gay students taped posters to the doors of 
 all the dormitories. (My memory is extremely hazy about 
 all this, so I welcome corrections.)
 
 Anyway, the 8-1/2 x 11 handwritten, photocopied papers 
 said, basically, We're tired of being in the closet and 
 demand recognition. 
 
 I can tell you, the whole thing made me extremely 
 uncomfortable at the time, and I wasn't alone. (I had 
 the usual hetero ick factor response that's come up 
 in this forum.) But to make matters worse, the posters 
 appeared on the day the North Central Accreditation 
 Review Board was coming to campus. (Maybe this was 
 the spring of 1980, because the school got accredited 
 just before I graduated.) It was as if the gays were crying 
 out to the wider world, We're in prison here. Help! I could 
 not understand it in the least.
 
 I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan 
 said something to the effect that that these people were 
 trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage 
 the image of the school before the wider world.

Actually, I tend to agree with that asessment regardless of any anti-
gay bias at MUM. You don't make friends with people by attemptingto 
embaress them, and often your attempt backfires if you're trying 
to out them as bigots or whatever since while people might find the 
attitudes revealed repugnant, unless the attitude is WY outside 
the mainstream (which wasn't the case in 1980 in most places inthe 
USA), there will be a backlash of sympathy for the victim of the 
attack.

 
 You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, 
 hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from 
 that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the 
 program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school 
 was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed 
 like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down 
 right away, of course.)
 
 I don't know what the status of gays is in the TMO today.


At MUM? Not terribly fun, I'm guessing. For the recerts? Bevan is 
outside the loop since he doesn't wear a crown.






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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
 jpgillam@ wrote:
 
  I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan 
  said something to the effect that that these people were 
  trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage 
  the image of the school before the wider world.
  
  You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, 
  hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from 
  that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the 
  program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school 
  was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed 
  like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down 
  right away, of course.)
 
 Forget the gay thing...what you have just described
 is the entire history of the TM movement from Day
 One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the 
 closet, followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation 
 when the closet door is thrown open and all-too-
 normal interiors of the closet are revealed. 
 
 It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM
 having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages
 never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever
 committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every-
 body being straight. 
 
 Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
 the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of 
 the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of 
 what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him 
 who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
 it for what it is.


Yeah, but on the day the accreditation team is supposed to arrive? 
That's deliberate sabatoge, pure and simple. It's not like MUM was 
alone in being homophobic during that time.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 3/26/06 8:15:29 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 You know  how parents in Asian countries abort their 
 female kids to keep from having  children they perceive 
 as a liability? Well, if this research bears out  it's
 just a matter of time until homophobic parents start
 aborting their  third sons for the same reason.
 
 
 
 So does this mean there will be legitimate reasons to evolve  why a 
woman can 
 not have an abortion?


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guy with sunglasses?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Who was the guy with sunglasses on during the question session with  
 Donovan who wanted Donovan to sing a response on different words for  
 consciousness, both other, higher and demonic?
 
 Are these locals or people who came from all over?
 
 Interesting response to the question on the Rishikesh sex scandals.  
 At least there is freedom of speech during live streaming, it was  
 cool the question could be asked and answered live.


What was said?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

I was better friends with his brother, Tom.  Any idea what's 
 up with 
   him?
  
  
  Tommy Roth is gay and lives in San Francisco. He left Purusha many
  years ago to *come out*-saw a Jyotishi to find out the best time 
to
  *come out* and somehow-I guess because he comes from the famous 
 Roth
  family, it's okay for him to be gay and recertified. 
  
  He runs a very successful gay travel agency right on Castro 
Street 
 in
  San Francisco In addition, he has stimulated quite a bit of TM 
 related
  activity in SF as well. 
 
 Yea, it looks like he's successful.  Funny, he never seemed like he 
 was too business minded.  Did you say was recertified?  I thought a 
 qualification was full time - laddy da, laddy da.
 

That they PLAN to teach full time was the requirement, I believe. 
Denise Gerace was at MUM before she moved back to Tucson. Obviously, 
she likely was NOT teaching full time before she got recerted.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
  (Side note: I wish to heck folks could bring themselves
  to use the term uterus rather than the biblical-
  sounding womb when they're speaking clinically.  We
  no longer shy away from penis and vagina; why should
  uterus seem so threatening a term that we have to
  substitute womb?)
 
 Er, don't like dick or cunt, either? Blame the Normans.

Uh...huh?

When does anybody use dick or cunt in a clinical
context?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 3/26/06 8:27:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I  don't know where the anti-gay sentiment in the movement came 
from. I
   never thought it came from MMY 
 
 
 I don't think the above comment came from Mark but from  somebody 
that 
 answered him. Years ago a friend of mine claims to have heard  M 
say in a private 
 meeting that homosexuals  have to stop what they are  doing or even 
he won't be 
 able to help them. This was around the late sixties or  early 
seventies. 
 Other comments in the meeting by M made it very clear  
homosexuality was a very 
 grave violation of natural law. This may have been the  seed that 
caused the 
 anti -gay sentiment  suggested.


Or why Bevan is so twisted while staying in the closet, assuming he 
is in the closet in the first place.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 3/26/06 11:37:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Exactly. That's where I was going with the plot  
  idea. And  they'd find a way to justify it. Killing
  a normal child  via  abortion is murder, but getting
  rid of an abomination is  God's  will.
  
  Wow , you really are anti -Christian aren't  you? 
  Christianity  would demand the birth of the child 
   in hopes the child would be nurtured to  make the right 
  choices.  Christians believe homosexuality is a choice , 
  not a  matter of  genetic inheritance. Now if you want 
  to ascribe such a scenario  to  somebody like 
  Hitler, you have a point, but not to a  practicing  
  Christian.
 
 You really *haven't* been paying  attention to 
 the country you live in, have  yo
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Probably much more than you. I assume you can give a few  examples 
of exactly 
 what you mean. I have never heard of any consensus of  Christian 
leaders that 
 would ever suggest anybody be aborted for any reason  other than to 
save the 
 life of the mother. However the Human secularist  will give you any 
number of 
 reasons *why* a fetus *should*be  aborted.



Nor has anyone ever explained where in the bible abortion is to be 
considered murder.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
 snip
   (Side note: I wish to heck folks could bring themselves
   to use the term uterus rather than the biblical-
   sounding womb when they're speaking clinically.  We
   no longer shy away from penis and vagina; why should
   uterus seem so threatening a term that we have to
   substitute womb?)
  
  Er, don't like dick or cunt, either? Blame the Normans.
 
 Uh...huh?
 
 When does anybody use dick or cunt in a clinical
 context?


That's my point, Judy. Those are no-no words to use in polite company 
including medical contexts, even though they are unambiguous and 
shorter to boot.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
  snip
(Side note: I wish to heck folks could bring themselves
to use the term uterus rather than the biblical-
sounding womb when they're speaking clinically.  We
no longer shy away from penis and vagina; why should
uterus seem so threatening a term that we have to
substitute womb?)
   
   Er, don't like dick or cunt, either? Blame the Normans.
  
  Uh...huh?
  
  When does anybody use dick or cunt in a clinical
  context?
 
 That's my point, Judy. Those are no-no words to use in polite
 company including medical contexts, even though they are 
 unambiguous and shorter to boot.

Dick and cunt are vulgar slang (check the
dictionary; the word cunt is identified as
usually obscene and the word dick as usually
vulgar).

Uterus is perfectly respectable clinical term,
like intestines or urinary tract or prostate
or ovaries or vagina or penis.  Clinicians
and reporters have no problem using those terms,
and most laypeople know what they mean and have no
objection to them either.

Yet they get all squeamish suddenly when it comes
to uterus.  Makes no sense.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Link to petition: AP Government trying to take over 500 y...

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 In a message dated 3/25/06 11:23:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Dear  Friends:
 
 As many of know that AP Government is trying to  
 take over Chilkur Balaki 
 Temple. Campaign to protect the Temple from  take over 
 is on. Please go to 
 following link and sign the  petition.
 
 http://www.protectchilukurubalajitemple.com/
 
 Please FORWARD it other  friends.
 
 
 
 
 My my, we can't have that!

This may not seem important to you, but in India this is a big
problem: governments trying to take over religious institutions. For
example, I just heard from a good friend that TN government tries to
install a policy at Ramana Maharshi Ashram to not house foreigners (or
at least less foreigners) anymore.For this I feel concerned. TN
government has already overtaken numerous ashrams, temples etc. They
are in for the money, the fame, not to protect.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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In a message dated 3/26/06 12:11:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm not 
  talking about Christian "leaders," I'm talkingabout what many 
  self-professed "Christians" would do if it became obvious that they were 
  going to have a son that was going to grow up gay. Suddenly what their 
  church said to do wouldn't matter a damn, any more thanthe words "You 
  should be celibate before marriage" meant anything to them when they've 
  got a hardon and a fewbeers in them. 

But you are saying they would abort the child for religious 
reasons, are you not? If a so called Christian aborted a child because they 
didnt' want a"faggot" for a son that would be their own selfish reason and not 
condoned by any responsible practicing Christian or scripture. And please don't 
try to tell me Christianity is the only religion with hypocrites. It appears M 
didn't even need a few beers either! The founder of 
Purusha!





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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In a message dated 3/26/06 12:30:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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   Because Uterus to the Tomb doesn't rhyme. Womb to the tomb  
  does. Jesse Jackson would never say uterus, what the hell   rhymes 
  with uterus?  +++ Nuterus?"This misuse of 
  the common word uterusIs nothing less than a plot to neuter us,"typed 
  the old woman into her computerus,just before stepping on her own 
  hooterus.:-)

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  Because Uterus to the Tomb doesn't rhyme. Womb to the tomb does. 
   Jesse Jackson would never say uterus, what the hell rhymes with 
   uterus?Do you know anybody who imparts clinical information 
  inrhyme?"Womb" is fine when you're speaking in biblical 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
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 (Side  note: I wish to heck folks could bring themselves
 to use the term uterus  rather than the biblical-
 sounding womb when they're speaking  clinically.  We
 no longer shy away from penis and vagina; why  should
 uterus seem so threatening a term that we have to
 substitute  womb?)
 
 
 
 Because Uterus to the Tomb doesn't rhyme. Womb to the tomb  does. 
Jesse 
 Jackson would never say uterus, what the hell rhymes with  uterus?



Ever since
I left
My Mama's Uterus
I ain't
Stayin'
At the back
Of the bus






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 3/26/06 11:37:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Exactly. That's where I was going with the plot  
   idea. And  they'd find a way to justify it. Killing
   a normal child  via  abortion is murder, but getting
   rid of an abomination is  God's  will.
   
   Wow , you really are anti -Christian aren't  you? 
   Christianity  would demand the birth of the child 
in hopes the child would be nurtured to  make the right 
   choices.  Christians believe homosexuality is a choice , 
   not a  matter of  genetic inheritance. Now if you want 
   to ascribe such a scenario  to  somebody like 
   Hitler, you have a point, but not to a  practicing  
   Christian.
  
  You really *haven't* been paying  attention to 
  the country you live in, have  yo
  
  Probably much more than you. I assume you can give a few  
examples 
  of exactly what you mean. I have never heard of any consensus 
of  
  Christian leaders that would ever suggest anybody be aborted for 
  any reason  other than to save the life of the mother. However 
the 
  Human secularist
 
 As opposed to the *non*-human secularist?
 
  will give you any number of reasons *why* a fetus 
  *should*be  aborted.
 
 Actually, I've never heard a secularist give any reasons
 why a fetus *should* be aborted, only reasons why the
 decision should be left to the woman and her doctor.



Unwanted child is one I've heard quite alot.



 
 (FWIW, Yahoo's threading is *way* screwed up on the Web
 site.  Clicking on Up Thread for this post took me to
 a much earlier post from Vaj, the one in which he 
 evaded Lawson's question as to what he had meant by
 Vedic.  I clicked on Up Thread in the first place
 because I hadn't seen the post MDixon was replying to,
 so the Web site may be eating posts as well, unless
 Barry has been canceling his--it's the second post in
 as many days of his that I've seen only quoted in a
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  

   In a message dated 3/26/06 11:37:56 A.M. Central Standard 
Time,  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   
 Exactly. That's where I was going with the plot  
idea. And  they'd find a way to justify it. Killing
a normal child  via  abortion is murder, but getting
rid of an abomination is  God's  will.

Wow , you really are anti -Christian aren't  you? 
Christianity  would demand the birth of the child 
 in hopes the child would be nurtured to  make the right 
choices.  Christians believe homosexuality is a choice , 
not a  matter of  genetic inheritance. Now if you want 
to ascribe such a scenario  to  somebody like 
Hitler, you have a point, but not to a  practicing  
Christian.
   
   You really *haven't* been paying  attention to 
   the country you live in, have  yo
   
   Probably much more than you. I assume you can give a few  
 examples 
   of exactly what you mean. I have never heard of any consensus 
 of  
   Christian leaders that would ever suggest anybody be aborted 
for 
   any reason  other than to save the life of the mother. However 
 the 
   Human secularist
  
  As opposed to the *non*-human secularist?
  
   will give you any number of reasons *why* a fetus 
   *should*be  aborted.
  
  Actually, I've never heard a secularist give any reasons
  why a fetus *should* be aborted, only reasons why the
  decision should be left to the woman and her doctor.
 
 Unwanted child is one I've heard quite alot.

Is one what?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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In a message dated 3/26/06 1:06:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
P.S.: On the other hand, I've heard plenty of 
  religionists,including Christians, say the same thing.Nobody is 
  *in favor of* abortion. But it's funny howmany right-wingers are 
  distinctly *not* in favor ofmeasures that would help make abortion 
  unnecessary, likeeducation about birth control, or in some cases 
  evenmaking birth control *available*.

It might be that many of those measures that people commonly 
use are not 100% effective in either preventing disease or pregnancy. Where as, 
there is a method that is 100% effectivewhen used, always. But the 100% 
effective method is considered *un cool*and youngsters are *encourage* to 
try other ways that usually work, but may not.Many parents just don't want 
their children being told by an authority figure, like a teacher, that it is OK 
to go against what they have been taught in the home and experiment with these 
other methods that have no guarantees or create health problems down the 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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Nor has 
  anyone ever explained where in the bible abortion is to be considered 
  murder.

So, Sparaig are you saying that it is fine with you for 
parents to geneticly test their fetus and if it should have a *gay* gene, should 
there be one,it would be perfectly acceptable for them to abort it just as 
parents in Asian countries abort female fetus' because they would be a 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
   
 
In a message dated 3/26/06 11:37:56 A.M. Central Standard 
 Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Exactly. That's where I was going with the plot  
 idea. And  they'd find a way to justify it. Killing
 a normal child  via  abortion is murder, but getting
 rid of an abomination is  God's  will.
 
 Wow , you really are anti -Christian aren't  you? 
 Christianity  would demand the birth of the child 
  in hopes the child would be nurtured to  make the right 
 choices.  Christians believe homosexuality is a choice , 
 not a  matter of  genetic inheritance. Now if you want 
 to ascribe such a scenario  to  somebody like 
 Hitler, you have a point, but not to a  practicing  
 Christian.

You really *haven't* been paying  attention to 
the country you live in, have  yo

Probably much more than you. I assume you can give a few  
  examples 
of exactly what you mean. I have never heard of any 
consensus 
  of  
Christian leaders that would ever suggest anybody be aborted 
 for 
any reason  other than to save the life of the mother. 
However 
  the 
Human secularist
   
   As opposed to the *non*-human secularist?
   
will give you any number of reasons *why* a fetus 
*should*be  aborted.
   
   Actually, I've never heard a secularist give any reasons
   why a fetus *should* be aborted, only reasons why the
   decision should be left to the woman and her doctor.
  
  Unwanted child is one I've heard quite alot.
 
 Is one what?


Unwanted child is a reason given by secularists why a fetus should 
be aborted.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guy with sunglasses?

[Vaj]

On Mar 26, 2006, at 1:46 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:

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  Who was the guy with sunglasses on during the question session with
  Donovan who wanted Donovan to sing a response on different words for
  consciousness, both other, higher and demonic?
 
  Are these locals or people who came from all over?
 
  Interesting response to the question on the Rishikesh sex scandals.
  At least there is freedom of speech during live streaming, it was
  cool the question could be asked and answered live.


 I missed it. What did he say?

This guy wanted Donovan to respond in song--in other words, sing his  
response--but rather than describe consciousness with all the  
buzzwords he's heard repeated all weekend long, he wanted to hear  
about the whole range of consciousness, from wrestling with  
consciousness and the demonic aspects to infinite, pure, unbounded,  
higher consciousness adjectives they all talked about so much: the  
light and the dark. Donovan just had this stunned look on his face  
and he said he didn't understand the question, so the guy repeated it  
in abbreviated form (the question was rather long and somewhat  
convoluted--and you weren't sure if he wanted him to sing his  
response or talk about how he'd write a song about this). Donovan  
again said he didn't understand the question, so the guy repeated it  
a third time. He still didn't get it, so someone stepped up on the  
stage and whispered something into Donovan's ear. Then Donovan  
answered the question of how he expressed higher consciousness into  
song--not the question the guy had asked. I swear to god, if he  
wasn't dead, you could've swore the guy in the sunglasses was Hunter  
S. Thompson.

A guy from Germany (Berlin) asked about the early Rishikesh days with  
the Beatles (and the Hurdy Gurdy story he had told the night before  
where JL called M. a good guru and patted him on the head) and  
asked what was it that had caused him to remain with meditation, but  
the Beatles split off from Maharishi. Donovan said that what people  
were saying was that Maharishi was getting girls in his room and then  
asking them to meditate in front of him topless, and other rumors. He  
then mentioned (one of the four reliances) the important thing is the  
teaching, not the teacher. He added that both George and he went on  
meditating but that John had gone on to write (critical) songs about  
Maharishi. What he thought it really was about was a jealousy between  
Mal (Evans) and John. He claimed Mal had some wine smuggled in and  
got various women drunk--and got them to start telling stories--and  
that's how the stories got started.

He also said that M. had wanted Donovan to stay on and they could set  
up a university in Edinborough together. Donovan refused and said he  
instead wanted to set up an invisible university through his music.  
Maharishi told, 'then go (and do that).'



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  Bevan never ran the university on a day to day practical level.  
 
 
 Exactly the opposite of Rick's claim that he micromanages.
 
 He's
  hardly been there the past 20 yrs, except periodically to fire 
 people
  not deemed loyal and generally keep up the fear and cult 
 atmosphere. 
 
 Rick says he's in constant contact, but he agrees with you about 
the 
 fearthing.
 
  Before his leadership the university was an intellectually and
  spiritually exciting place.  It's been in decline ever since.  
  
 
 SIgh. MIU was founded in 1971 and moved to Fairfieldin 1974. It 
 gained accreditation candadacy in 1975, and was fully accredited 
the 
 year Bevan moved to Fairfield as its President in 1980.
 
 In other words, Bevan has been its President since it offered 
 accredited degree programs (since its been a real university).
 
 
  Getting purusha to take out student loans in the 80s saved the 
place
  financially then, and whoever came up with the idea of importing
  african students as a way for them to visas as computer 
programmers 
 is
  keeping it afloat now.  Of course donations still come in for 
 building
  projects because that gets points with MMY, not because of 
bevan.  
 
 What does that have to do with running the university?
 
 No
  way it could survive by attracting and keeping normal western
  students, the atmosphere is just too culty and the academics too 
 weak,
  that's all bevan's doing.
 
 Why do you consider the academics weak?
 
  
  What specific project has bevan ever led that has been 
successful? 
 
 Other than MUM for the past 25+ years, you mean?
 
  In
  reality I mean, not in fancy talks and brochures, or in tmo press
  releases or internal conferences.  My experience in the tmo was 
that
  things got accomplished by the talented and devoted foot soldiers
  despite the efforts of people like bevan, not due to them.
  
 
 That might be the case, but given how inaccurate your implicit 
 history of MUM has been, I'd take your concusions with a few tons 
of 
 rocksalt.
 
 I have always found Bevan's attitude to be quite condescending; and 
when he came to the University, he seemed to have the effect of 
chasing anyone away, who had any independent point of view.
 Maharishi seems to like his loyalty, and the prissy accent.
All I know is that the university was quite lively during the 
seventies, with many professors who were dedicated and interesting.
But, slowly but surely, the university became more of a gestapo 
oriented organization; having been purged of any free thinkers.
I can't really think of anyone who is more 'full of himself'...
We used to call him Bevan from Heaven, in jest; but I guess looking 
back, when happened to the university since he arrived, is not such a 
joke after all.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:

  
 In a message dated 3/26/06 11:37:56 A.M. Central Standard 
  Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Exactly. That's where I was going with the plot  
  idea. And  they'd find a way to justify it. Killing
  a normal child  via  abortion is murder, but getting
  rid of an abomination is  God's  will.
  
  Wow , you really are anti -Christian aren't  you? 
  Christianity  would demand the birth of the child 
   in hopes the child would be nurtured to  make the right 
  choices.  Christians believe homosexuality is a choice , 
  not a  matter of  genetic inheritance. Now if you want 
  to ascribe such a scenario  to  somebody like 
  Hitler, you have a point, but not to a  practicing  
  Christian.
 
 You really *haven't* been paying  attention to 
 the country you live in, have  yo
 
 Probably much more than you. I assume you can give a few  
   examples 
 of exactly what you mean. I have never heard of any 
 consensus 
   of  
 Christian leaders that would ever suggest anybody be 
aborted 
  for 
 any reason  other than to save the life of the mother. 
 However 
   the 
 Human secularist

As opposed to the *non*-human secularist?

 will give you any number of reasons *why* a fetus 
 *should*be  aborted.

Actually, I've never heard a secularist give any reasons
why a fetus *should* be aborted, only reasons why the
decision should be left to the woman and her doctor.
   
   Unwanted child is one I've heard quite alot.
  
  Is one what?
 
 Unwanted child is a reason given by secularists why a fetus
 should be aborted.

Again, I've never heard *anybody* say that a fetus
(unless it was hopelessly defective) *should* be
aborted.  If the woman doesn't want the child but
is willing to carry it to term and then give it up
for adoption, I don't think there's anybody who
would claim that abortion was preferable.

Mainly, what pro-choice people say (whether they're
secularists or religious) is that it *should* be
up to the woman and her physician, and that nobody
else really has any business telling her what they
think she *should* do.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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In a message dated 3/26/06 3:23:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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"Uterus" 
  is perfectly respectable clinical term,like "intestines" or "urinary 
  tract" or "prostate"or "ovaries" or "vagina" or "penis." 
  Cliniciansand reporters have no problem using those terms,and most 
  laypeople know what they mean and have noobjection to them 
  either.Yet they get all squeamish suddenly when it comesto 
  "uterus." Makes no sense.

I'm sitting herelaughing just imagining a couple of 
doctors talking about wee wee's and jingle bells with a straight 
face.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
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 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 3/26/06 11:37:56 A.M. Central 
Standard 
   Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Exactly. That's where I was going with the plot  
   idea. And  they'd find a way to justify it. Killing
   a normal child  via  abortion is murder, but getting
   rid of an abomination is  God's  will.
   
   Wow , you really are anti -Christian aren't  you? 
   Christianity  would demand the birth of the child 
in hopes the child would be nurtured to  make the 
right 
   choices.  Christians believe homosexuality is a 
choice , 
   not a  matter of  genetic inheritance. Now if you want 
   to ascribe such a scenario  to  somebody like 
   Hitler, you have a point, but not to a  practicing  
   Christian.
  
  You really *haven't* been paying  attention to 
  the country you live in, have  yo
  
  Probably much more than you. I assume you can give a 
few  
examples 
  of exactly what you mean. I have never heard of any 
  consensus 
of  
  Christian leaders that would ever suggest anybody be 
 aborted 
   for 
  any reason  other than to save the life of the mother. 
  However 
the 
  Human secularist
 
 As opposed to the *non*-human secularist?
 
  will give you any number of reasons *why* a fetus 
  *should*be  aborted.
 
 Actually, I've never heard a secularist give any reasons
 why a fetus *should* be aborted, only reasons why the
 decision should be left to the woman and her doctor.

Unwanted child is one I've heard quite alot.
   
   Is one what?
  
  Unwanted child is a reason given by secularists why a fetus
  should be aborted.
 
 Again, I've never heard *anybody* say that a fetus
 (unless it was hopelessly defective) *should* be
 aborted. 



Frankly, I find it unbelievable that having lived in the US of A for 
the past 35 years that you have not once heard the unwanted child 
reason uttered as a justification for why a fetus should be aborted.

I've heard that reason stated almost every time the subject has come 
up.



 If the woman doesn't want the child but
 is willing to carry it to term and then give it up
 for adoption, I don't think there's anybody who
 would claim that abortion was preferable.
 
 Mainly, what pro-choice people say (whether they're
 secularists or religious) is that it *should* be
 up to the woman and her physician, and that nobody
 else really has any business telling her what they
 think she *should* do.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: I wonder what would happen if someone would pull a Jesse Helms at MUM...

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  Do you know more about this Lonnie Gamble?  Is he a TMer and why 
is 
  he at MUM?  Is he a friend of Lynch's?
 
  He is my neighbor a few houses away in a small subdivision
 between fairfield and vedic city.
  Long time TMer-often in dome.
  Was a pioneer in getting interest in pv and wind power here.
  Has been teaching a course in that along with Kieth W. at the
 college.
  I recently did the metal work for a solar system they set up 
as a
 teaching modle on campus next to the green house.
  Don't know if he knows Mr lynch.
  As an extra bit of trivia, Jeru H. is also on the street and,
 from what I gather, he is a BTO - drives a late modle Mercedes 
which I
 have pulled out of the ditch a few times in the winter as he 
insists
 on driving too fast.N.


What is a BTO?  I remember Jeru from a course I did in 81 or 82 in 
Kashmir...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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 You know  how parents in Asian countries abort their 
 female kids to keep from having  children they perceive 
 as a liability? Well, if this research bears out  it's
 just a matter of time until homophobic parents start
 aborting their  third sons for the same reason.




The autism community is asking the same question:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7899821/






 
 
 
 So does this mean there will be legitimate reasons to evolve  why 
a woman can 
 not have an abortion?







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[FairfieldLife] religious affiliation of comic Superheros

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[FairfieldLife] Superheros organized by religion

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(has a sprinkling of Hindus and Buddhists, but no TM'ers - as a 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Superheros organized by religion

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[FairfieldLife] Bill Maher on global warming

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
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wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
   snip
 (Side note: I wish to heck folks could bring themselves
 to use the term uterus rather than the biblical-
 sounding womb when they're speaking clinically.  We
 no longer shy away from penis and vagina; why should
 uterus seem so threatening a term that we have to
 substitute womb?)

Er, don't like dick or cunt, either? Blame the Normans.
   
   Uh...huh?
   
   When does anybody use dick or cunt in a clinical
   context?
  
  That's my point, Judy. Those are no-no words to use in polite
  company including medical contexts, even though they are 
  unambiguous and shorter to boot.
 
 Dick and cunt are vulgar slang (check the
 dictionary; the word cunt is identified as
 usually obscene and the word dick as usually
 vulgar).

Because of the influence on Anglish of Norman invaders, who 
considered original Anglo-Saxon to be vulgar.

 
 Uterus is perfectly respectable clinical term,
 like intestines or urinary tract or prostate
 or ovaries or vagina or penis.  Clinicians
 and reporters have no problem using those terms,
 and most laypeople know what they mean and have no
 objection to them either.
 
 Yet they get all squeamish suddenly when it comes
 to uterus.  Makes no sense.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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 In a message dated 3/26/06 2:19:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Nor has  anyone ever explained where in the bible abortion is to be 
 considered  murder.
 
 
 
 So, Sparaig are you saying that it is fine with you for  parents to 
geneticly 
 test their fetus and if it should have a *gay* gene, should  there 
be one, it 
 would be perfectly acceptable for them to abort it just as  parents 
in Asian 
 countries abort female fetus' because they would be a  burden on 
the family?


Didn't say anything about anything except that I know of no place in 
the Old or New Testament where abortion is considered murder (and 
causing a miscarriage IS mentioned in the Old Testament as an act 
punishable by a fine paid to the father so there is at least one 
place where the action and its punishment is mentioned explicitly).






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
 
 [snip]
 
   What specific project has bevan ever led that has been 
successful? 
  
  Other than MUM for the past 25+ years, you mean?
 
 
 [snip]
 
 Spare Egg, are you implying that MUM/MIU is/was a success?
 
 I am a graduate of that place and I, for one, don't even put down 
on 
 my resume that I went to that place...I prefer, instead, to have 
 readers of the resume believe I am a high school graduate and that 
 that is as far as I went...


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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 In a message dated 3/26/06 3:23:05 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Uterus  is perfectly respectable clinical term,
 like intestines or urinary  tract or prostate
 or ovaries or vagina or penis.   Clinicians
 and reporters have no problem using those terms,
 and most  laypeople know what they mean and have no
 objection to them  either.
 
 Yet they get all squeamish suddenly when it comes
 to  uterus.  Makes no sense.
 
 
 
 I'm sitting here laughing just imagining a couple of  doctors  
talking about 
 wee wee's and jingle bells with a straight  face.


My Japanese teacher started using the term tinkle after a girl in 
the class said she had to go tinkle and he wanted to know what that 
meant...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: I wonder what would happen if someone would pull a Jesse Helms at MUM...

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  
   Do you know more about this Lonnie Gamble?  Is he a TMer and why 
 is 
   he at MUM?  Is he a friend of Lynch's?
  
   He is my neighbor a few houses away in a small subdivision
  between fairfield and vedic city.
   Long time TMer-often in dome.
   Was a pioneer in getting interest in pv and wind power here.
   Has been teaching a course in that along with Kieth W. at the
  college.
   I recently did the metal work for a solar system they set up 
 as a
  teaching modle on campus next to the green house.
   Don't know if he knows Mr lynch.
   As an extra bit of trivia, Jeru H. is also on the street and,
  from what I gather, he is a BTO - drives a late modle Mercedes 
 which I
  have pulled out of the ditch a few times in the winter as he 
 insists
  on driving too fast.N.
 
 
 What is a BTO?  I remember Jeru from a course I did in 81 or 82 in 
 Kashmir...

 Big time operator- meant to be less derrogatory than BFD.





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[FairfieldLife] Lonnie Gamble, was: I wonder what would happen if someone would pull a Jesse Helms at MUM...

[Rick Archer]

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 Do you know more about this Lonnie Gamble?  Is he a TMer and why is
 he at MUM?  Is he a friend of Lynch's?
 
Lonnie teaches environmental stuff at MUM. He's a TMer. He lives in an
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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 Is Tom the older or younger brother?

I think he's the youngest. There's another brother besides Bobby.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] India Mirror of Truth book

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on 3/26/06 9:36 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just finished this book and really enjoyed it. I wondered about the
 incidents with the
 siddha wo called himself Keshava. Dr. Pete, is that the incident you felt did
 not ring true?  
 What was the response on that from Steve Briggs? I cannot find in the postings
 here.  Also, 
 what is going on with Steve now?  Still involved in TM if not on Purusha?

Steve is living in Fairfield and married to Bhumi, who used to be married to
Cliff Rees. There is more to the Keshava story than he felt comfortable
telling in the book. Keshava was not the yogi's actual name. The story is
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 3/26/06 8:15:29 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  You know  how parents in Asian countries abort their 
  female kids to keep from having  children they perceive 
  as a liability? Well, if this research bears out  it's
  just a matter of time until homophobic parents start
  aborting their  third sons for the same reason.
 
 
 
 
 The autism community is asking the same question:
 Some of the autistic cases are not diagnosed properly and, should
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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 on 3/26/06 1:07 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Is Tom the older or younger brother?
 
 I think he's the youngest. There's another brother besides Bobby.


There is also their sister, Ellen, whose present last name I do not
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[FairfieldLife] Re: India Mirror of Truth book

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 on 3/26/06 9:36 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I just finished this book and really enjoyed it. I wondered about the
  incidents with the
  siddha wo called himself Keshava. Dr. Pete, is that the incident you felt 
  did
  not ring true?  
  What was the response on that from Steve Briggs? I cannot find in the 
  postings
  here.  Also, 
  what is going on with Steve now?  Still involved in TM if not on Purusha?
 
 Steve is living in Fairfield and married to Bhumi, who used to be married to
 Cliff Rees. There is more to the Keshava story than he felt comfortable
 telling in the book. Keshava was not the yogi's actual name. The story is
 real.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch Day

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   Unwanted child is a reason given by secularists why a fetus
   should be aborted.
  
  Again, I've never heard *anybody* say that a fetus
  (unless it was hopelessly defective) *should* be
  aborted. 
 
 Frankly, I find it unbelievable that having lived in the US of A 
 for the past 35 years that you have not once heard the unwanted 
 child reason uttered as a justification for why a fetus should be 
 aborted.
 
 I've heard that reason stated almost every time the subject has 
 come up.

Well, I don't believe you, so we're even.

That's given as a reason for why women have abortions,
of course, but never as a should.





 
 
 
  If the woman doesn't want the child but
  is willing to carry it to term and then give it up
  for adoption, I don't think there's anybody who
  would claim that abortion was preferable.
  
  Mainly, what pro-choice people say (whether they're
  secularists or religious) is that it *should* be
  up to the woman and her physician, and that nobody
  else really has any business telling her what they
  think she *should* do.
 








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[FairfieldLife] A little bit about Bevan

[Rick Archer]

From a friend:

Dear Rick

 From reading FFL tonight, it seems not much is known about Bevan.
Here is the little I know.

He first went to Rishikesh from Australia as a teenager and spent I
think a year working on staff there. M told him to get his degrees,
phd etc.
So Bevan left India, went to England, went to Oxford University and
ended up with a Master's in Philosophy. I remember his coming during
the summer to Seelisberg to spend some time with Maharishi. He wanted
so much to just stay there, but had to return and resume his studies.
After the Master's degree was awarded Maharishi had Bevan trained as
a TM-Sidhi Administrator and sent him to MIU, where he had very
little power. He had to report to Rindi Schwartz on extremely
important, time-sensitive projects. Many a time Rindi would just cut
him off and say, call tomorrow, I'm retiring now, even when the fate
of the University hung in the balance. Bevan swore he would never
work through women again. After a time Maharishi appointed Bevan as
President of the University and the checking of projects was done
directly.

Bevan has been responsible largely for fund-raising. Many a time the
University came within a few weeks of closing down due to low
finances; M kept taking more and more of the University's money for
international projects. Bevan would literally have to get on the
phone and beg for one of the millionaire donors to come through with
6 million (that was one story) or other such huge numbers in just a
week. So he has actually kept the university going for many years but
did not broadcast his role.

Bevan has been publicly chastized by M again and again. He handled it
well, just by not saying anything at all. At one point with the 7000
course, Bevan was pointing out to Maharishi that it wasn't possible
in the time allotted to accomplish everything M demanded. At that
point M blew up at Bevan and started to discuss holding the course
elsewhere. For about an hour Bevan kept silent with his head down,
not looking at anyone, and then Maharishi calmed down and allowed the
course to continue at MUM. So, Bevan learned to hold his peace in
order to keep the University front and center in M's attention and in
a positive light. Bevan's foremost focus was keeping Maharishi
appraised of the good side of the University. In that Bevan failed to
honestly convey the true story; but then those that convey the not so
rosey truth get fried and fired. Is that Bevan's fault? don't think so.

Many a faculty meeting Bevan would just  pour out love and compassion
for the faculty. But there was very little that he could do  in
changing policy. M had his own vision and that had to be followed.
Bevan faithfully followed M's vision. After all, it is M's
university, not Bevan's.

I think we need to be very careful to not compare M's Movement to a
regular business. Sure, that may be a downfall; but we must remember
that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a responsibility towards
the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. That may mean that M
instantly dissolves any successful venture a disciple sets up if that
disciple has any ego involved.  Bevan has taken many falls; but he
picks himself up again and keeps plugging on. He's suffered from
depression and low self-esteem, but just kept working. From my side
he is to be admired for that. It's been tough on Bevan and he doesn't
have many friends; very few that he can confide in. It's lonely at
the top of the TM heap and M plans it that way.

Bevan makes lots of mistakes, but don't we all? M now has Bevan by
his side for a reason. I hope M's plan works for Bevan's sake.

Do I like Bevan? No.
But I do admire what he has been able to accomplish.

And that's my version of this story.




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