[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Carol, you really should learn TM, there's some really useful spiritual instruction in it. [http://zendictive.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/turtle-meditation.gif]
[FairfieldLife] Men love to lie?
http://www.askmen.com/dating/heidi/21_dating_girl.html Lying for a living Is it a coincidence that men hold the majority of jobs that involve lying? Politics, government agencies, courtroom lawyers, plastic surgeons, psychiatrists -- who calls the shots? Not that all men lie, of course not. But from experience (and 99% of women will back me up on this), the only men who don't lie are those devoted to their religion, gay, or have had their tongue removed. Now let's turn the tables. Men lie often, but most times these are harmless lies that are said to protect their ego more than anything. Women have ulterior motives. Read more: http://www.askmen.com/dating/heidi/21_dating_girl.html#ixzz2HBeb6FfQ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men love to lie?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: http://www.askmen.com/dating/heidi/21_dating_girl.html Lying for a living Is it a coincidence that men hold the majority of jobs that involve lying? Politics, government agencies, courtroom lawyers, plastic surgeons, psychiatrists -- who calls the shots? Not that all men lie, of course not. But from experience (and 99% of women will back me up on this), the only men who don't lie are those devoted to their religion, gay, or have had their tongue removed. Funny line, but according to science, the same is true of women. The average person (according to polls, surveys, and clinical tests) tells 4-6 lies per day. According to these same studies, while it is true that men lie more often than women, men are more likely to admit to doing it, while women more often will pretend that they never lie. Now let's turn the tables. Men lie often, but most times these are harmless lies that are said to protect their ego more than anything. Women have ulterior motives. According to science, women also tend to hold grudges not only more often than men, but longer, to the detri- ment of their health. One study conducted at the Medical College of Georgia found that holding grudges is signif- icantly associated with a history of heart attacks, high blood pressure, arthritis, back problems, headaches, chronic pain, and stomach ulcers. Another study asked subjects to tell personal stories about how they were betrayed in the past while monitoring their blood pressure and heart rates. The subjects who had held onto their grudges the longest had the highest levels of both. They also had the highest incidences of disease-induced visits to doctors. Here are some quotes from an interesting article on gender differences, written by a woman: Emotions are controlled in the cerebral cortex, which also helps explain why women generally feel and express emotion more readily, more visually and more verbally, than men. Physiologically, men cannot access their feelings and emotions as easily as women can. The difference in visible expression of emotion is one of the biggest trouble spots between men and women. A study conducted by a team of psychologists using brain scans discovered that women's brains are better organized to perceive and remember emotions. These findings support the 'myths' that women remember arguments longer, hold grudges, and are more susceptible to clinical depression, as dwelling on and reviewing memories is a risk factor in depression. Brain areas responsible for emotions, memory and tracking gut feelings are larger and more sensitive in women. Who knew? Biology explains women's intuition. Most emotions in men trigger rational thought, not so much gut sensation. Also pain areas in women's brains are visibly activated when they see or are told that other people are in pain. Men's brains do not respond the same way. I once heard a woman Buddhist teacher who was also a neuroscientist use similar findings to explain why, in her experience, women students were less willing to learn and practice mindfulness techniques that help them to avoid overreacting emotionally than men students. She had found in many years of teaching that many of the women were actually *averse* to learning such techniques, so strongly that they'd leave a sangha if such techniques were a required part of the study. This teacher's theory was that many of these women may in fact be biologically incapable of practicing such techniques because they are basically *run* by their emotions. They don't cling to past emotions and their overreactions to them out of choice but because they literally *have no choice*. Other scientists have suggested that this is one reason that women are almost twice as likely to develop PTSD after experiencing a traumatic event than men are.
[FairfieldLife] NBC NEWS :Transcendental Meditation High Blood Pressure Clinical Trial
NBC NEWS : Transcendental Meditation High Blood Pressure Clinical Trial Published on Jan 2, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojxY_Yt-KwQ
[FairfieldLife] Top 2 cities!
http://uk.askmen.com/specials/2012_top_29/1-london.html http://uk.askmen.com/specials/2012_top_29/2-mumbai.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: The difference between Jesus and Christ
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wrote: Jesus was the man born of Mary and Joseph of Nazareth, Christ was the intelligent consciousness within Jesus called the Christos or Christ. That's right and why his name was Jesus of Palestine, not Jesus Christ. Why the Chruch insists on this name is beyond me. And add to the confusion, The Christ has now taken an older name: Maitreya. Read more here: http://share-international.org/archives/AgelessWisdom/aw_pl-JnM.htm AS such, it is formless universal bliss and light, the one reflection of the Father (Brahman) IN creation. MMY called it Brahm, or the unified consciousness of Silence (Brahman) and Dynamism (Christ, or the God Consciousness). I believe MMY may have also referred to it as Krishna Consciousness, not to be confused with the Historical Yadava Krishna in Indian lore. Maharishi, a living embodiment of Christ Consciousness, was obviously aware of the difference. http://share-international.org/archives/AgelessWisdom/aw_pl-JnM.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Buck, I'm not sure what kind of bust means. By meditate, if you are asking if I practice mantra based meditation? No. I endeavor to practice mindfulness. I do some other practices of focusing in my heart area and on my breath. As studies show, what you are doing is less effective than TM. Do contact a certified TM-teacher in your area and ask for a checking of your original practise; it's easy and it works !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Buck, I'm not sure what kind of bust means. By meditate, if you are asking if I practice mantra based meditation? No. I endeavor to practice mindfulness. I do some other practices of focusing in my heart area and on my breath. I gather from some of your posts here that you might live in Fairfield and visit the dome(s)and have been a long-time meditator? So, you don't practice a transcending meditation as part of your mindfulness. Hey Nablusoss, we got another buddhist here on the list. There are souls lost in confusion here there and everywhere my friend. A sure sign of Kali Yuga :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Kumare Film
Thanks so much for posting this B2. I've been wanting to see it. But now FF has no theater. And I don't think it's even been shown in Iowa City, the closest hotbed of intelligentia etc. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Kumare Film I just noticed this film which was discussed a few months back on FFL is now available on Amazon Instant Video, VUDU and other streaming sources. http://kumaremovie.com/ http://www.vudu.com/movies/#!content/400396/Kumare http://www.vudu.com/movies/#%21content/400396/Kumare
[FairfieldLife] Welcome to the future
You've officially made it here: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/394894_367270475\ 1309_20377176_n.jpg] Speaking of the future, I just had to write up some fascinating research into an article, so I'll pass along the gist of it here. If you had been asked, ten years ago, to write up what you thought you'd be like today, ten years in the future, how accurate do you think it would have been? Well, if you're like most people, it would have been almost completely inaccurate. Research done by a Harvard psychologist indicates that most people have what he calls an end of history illusion going for them. That is, they can look *back* ten years and assess fairly reasonably that there have been many changes in their tastes, their values, their beliefs, and their basic personalities. But when asked to project ten years into the future, these same people tend to assume that they'll basically remain the same as they are today. They work under the illusion that change happened in the past, and helped to shape who they are today, but when asked what they'll be like in the future, they assume that no real change will take place, and that their personality will remain fixed as it is today. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome to the future
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: You've officially made it here: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/394894_367270475\ 1309_20377176_n.jpg] http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/bttf.asp
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did this math idiot get it right?
--- Duveyoung wrote: Quote of Maharishi about Arabs -- don't know if true: First time on two feet. --- salyavin808 wrote: Here's another: desert's follow Islam round the world --- nablusoss1008 wrote: Which ofcourse is true. All you have to do is to look at the map of Africa and see what happenned as Islam spread. It's a fact that the desert and Sahara spreads with islamization whether you like it or not :-) --- Alex Stanley wrote: I wonder how long before Western Europe becomes a desert. The earth's orbit changes it's shape every 100,000 years and it's variations causes ice ages. It's called Milankovitch cycle. The earth's axis also oscillates back and forth from 22.1 and 24.5 degrees on a 41,000-year cycle. It is currently 23.44 degrees and decreasing. These two cycles combine to create ice ages. Some ice ages are severe and some ice ages are mild. Right now the only solution prevent global warming is geo-engineering and given the current state of the world economy, it's unlikely countries will get together, pool their resources and come up with any solution.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did this math idiot get it right?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason wrote: --- Duveyoung wrote: Quote of Maharishi about Arabs -- don't know if true: First time on two feet. --- salyavin808 wrote: Here's another: desert's follow Islam round the world --- nablusoss1008 wrote: Which ofcourse is true. All you have to do is to look at the map of Africa and see what happenned as Islam spread. It's a fact that the desert and Sahara spreads with islamization whether you like it or not :-) --- Alex Stanley wrote: I wonder how long before Western Europe becomes a desert. The earth's orbit changes it's shape every 100,000 years and it's variations causes ice ages. It's called Milankovitch cycle. The earth's axis also oscillates back and forth from 22.1 and 24.5 degrees on a 41,000-year cycle. It is currently 23.44 degrees and decreasing. These two cycles combine to create ice ages. Some ice ages are severe and some ice ages are mild. Right now the only solution prevent global warming is geo-engineering and given the current state of the world economy, it's unlikely countries will get together, pool their resources and come up with any solution. Don't waste my time with silly natural phenomena. The evidence clearly points to the spread of a particular man-made religion as the cause of desertification.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did this math idiot get it right?
--- Duveyoung wrote: Quote of Maharishi about Arabs -- don't know if true: First time on two feet. --- salyavin808 wrote: Here's another: desert's follow Islam round the world --- nablusoss1008 wrote: Which ofcourse is true. All you have to do is to look at the map of Africa and see what happenned as Islam spread. It's a fact that the desert and Sahara spreads with islamization whether you like it or not :-) --- Alex Stanley wrote: I wonder how long before Western Europe becomes a desert. --- Jason wrote: The earth's orbit changes it's shape every 100,000 years and it's variations causes ice ages. It's called Milankovitch cycle. The earth's axis also oscillates back and forth from 22.1 and 24.5 degrees on a 41,000-year cycle. It is currently 23.44 degrees and decreasing. These two cycles combine to create ice ages. Some ice ages are severe and some ice ages are mild. Right now the only solution prevent global warming is geo-engineering and given the current state of the world economy, it's unlikely countries will get together, pool their resources and come up with any solution. --- Alex Stanley wrote: Don't waste my time with silly natural phenomena. The evidence clearly points to the spread of a particular man-made religion as the cause of desertification. Well this particular man-made religion and it's related variants are 'anthropomorphic' and in that sense they imply that everything was created for man to exploit. So, that's bad news for the eco-system in general, unless humans convert to a more impersonal belief like a Spinoza type god. Given the current situation the world is in, that is unlikely. So get used to these 'Tamasic underdeveloped religions' running the show atleast for a while.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome to the future
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: You've officially made it here: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/394894_367270475\ 1309_20377176_n.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/394894_367270475\ 1309_20377176_n.jpg ] http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/bttf.asp http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/bttf.asp Aw, damn! I thought I'd made it to the future. Finally. Oh well...there is always the past: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/603849_101510388\ 48866143_1033424081_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
Hey Raunchydog... You asked if it was TM or something else that precipitated my need to hire Knapp. I did not hire Knapp due to my short TM involvement in the mid 1970s. I hired Knapp in 2008 *specifically* due to my involvement with an anti-cult group which I got involved with in 2006 after leaving a fundamentalist-type Bible org, The Way International. I was involved with The Way from 1977 through 2005. Left The Way and got involved with the anti-Way group which ended up similar to The Way (false accusations, paranoia, us/them, black/white thinking type stuff)...just on the other side; ie: anti instead of pro. Knapp seemed to offer a kind of middle road to try to help me make sense of my entanglement when I found him in 2008. I have an introductory overview to my general Knapp timeline here: http://tossandripple.blogspot.com/p/december-2012-over-next-month-or-so-i.html This FFL Knapp discussion has ended up on two different threads...thus part of the context is missing in this thread. I responded in this thread to one of Share's Knapp comments in this thread, and thus the subject came up here. (Not saying anything is wrong with that, but rather that is how it ended up on this thread.) The 'Knapp' thread is here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331516 Cheers... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Thanks for the suggestion Buck, but I'm currently not in the market. I actually learned TM back in 1975 when I was a teenager. I did my 2 X 20 + more for about 1-1/2 years. Took SCI and volunteered at the TM Center. Then I moved along. So, what does kind of bust mean? Carol, I'm not clear on the timeline of your involvement with Knapp and maybe you wrote about this and I missed it. According to the link below, Knapp got his LMSW in 2005. Since you only practiced TM for a short while 75-76, you must have seen Knapp as a client quite a few years later. It doesn't make sense that TM precipitated your need to hire him. Was it TM or something else? http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opsc2a?profcd=72plicno=071643namechk=KNA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Carol, you really should learn TM, there's some really useful spiritual instruction in it. Even learn the TM checking notes and become a meditation checker too. Then the Patanjali technique kind of puts it all together, TM and buddhistic together. Actually the last technique Maharishi was working on before he died was a real nice blend of transcending and mindfulness. It was very subtle. Well, it was working on the subtle bodies in effect. It all certainly was there but don't get too distracted by Knapp. There's much larger things at stake. Most of us just filter the dissonance and take what is particularly good. Like a great saint once said when asked about the TM movement, If you find a diamond in a pile of shit, take the diamond and wash it off. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Buck, I'm not sure what kind of bust means. By meditate, if you are asking if I practice mantra based meditation? No. I endeavor to practice mindfulness. I do some other practices of focusing in my heart area and on my breath. I gather from some of your posts here that you might live in Fairfield and visit the dome(s)and have been a long-time meditator? So, you don't practice a transcending meditation as part of your mindfulness. Hey Nablusoss, we got another buddhist here on the list. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: You're welcome Share. There are more similar(?) stories to Knapp's at the Trancenet site here: http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/personal/index.shtml A bit more about Trancenet: http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/trancenet.shtml I don't know that much about Trancenet; only what I've read online and what others have stated/written about it. The folks on FFL that have been around awhile know more about it than I do. I'm pretty much an outsider in that regard. Dear Carol, You kinda bust on here. Do you meditate? Are you a meditator? Just wondering, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Plus Judy according to archives I actually did thank you after your first post: 331545 your first post to me 331556 my response to you which ends with
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
No thank you nab. Like I said, I'm not in the market; ie: looking for anything. Best... *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Buck, I'm not sure what kind of bust means. By meditate, if you are asking if I practice mantra based meditation? No. I endeavor to practice mindfulness. I do some other practices of focusing in my heart area and on my breath. As studies show, what you are doing is less effective than TM. Do contact a certified TM-teacher in your area and ask for a checking of your original practise; it's easy and it works !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Read her posts Buck, you lazy bugger. Then you'll see she did practice TM. God, you're idiotic sometimes not to mention robotic. Judy, I hope he was better in the hayloft than he is intellectually. Or maybe it's his body of Adonis because it sure isn't his rapier intellect. Nope. Buck's intellect is fine. He's just under a lot of pressure. Judy made him stop dating otters. Oh, that explains it - after all, did you see how cute that otter's face was? Although I was sure it was a mink(x).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dear Carol, You kinda bust on here. Do you meditate? Are you a meditator? Just wondering, -Buck God Buck, don't be so lazy. Read her posts. What, did you just spend two days in a soybean field? Give him a break, Ann. His exploits with me in the stable over Christmas took a lot out of him, and he hasn't quite recovered yet. That is funny. Who did you pick-up? I'm sure you wore him out. But, I don't got a stable. I determined a long time ago I was not going to spend my precious time on this planet shoveling out stalls. Stables are mostly a waste of money, life and generally dement good horses. Dang, I would have bought you a coffee had I known you were in town. And of course coffee on me for anybody else on FFL who comes to visit FF. But ask Judy about getting hooked up in FF. -Buck in the Dome I would have done more than that. If authfriend were to visit Fairfield, I would take her and Share out to dinner. I'm serious. I think she should come in the spring.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Regarding TMFree...after Knapp axed me and people started coming across my path who had similar harmful interactions with Knapp, I learned that Knapp really wasn't *the* founder of TMFree. From my understanding it was a group effort and Knapp knew the webstuff so he set up the site. There is a thread somewhere on the Rick Ross Forum, but I can't locate it at the moment, that discusses the history of how the folks who started TMFree came together. So, technically, from my understanding, Knapp is not *the* founder. He organized the web stuff. He had the counselor initials behind his name, and somehow that made him *the* founder. I do not know if he started calling himself the founder, or if others agreed to that or what. I've been told by three people that Knapp plagiarized them. When confronted, Knapp 1)gave credit to one of the people; 2) ignored one of the people; 3) offered to change the author for the one other person, but that author opted to disassociate with Knapp, so the piece itself was deleted. In 2010, when Knapp was recruiting me for what became his now-defunct non-profit, at that time (in 2010) he was thinking of naming it The Knapp Center for Healing. I didn't have any problem with that. He said one of the reasons he wanted to use his name was to meet his narcissistic needs. He wasn't joking when he stated that to me. It was in the context of healthy narcissism...like wanting to leave a mark before one dies. I guess using his name got voted out (or something) with his next round of recruits who helped put together the 2011 non-profit. Most (if not all) those recruits resigned once Knapp showed his true colors. If I find that Rick Ross thread, I'll post a link. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Here's a link to the Way Back archive to Knapp's former therapy practice, Knapp Family Counseling. I think most of the links there work to access other parts of the archived site. http://web.archive.org/web/20110501055727/http://www.knappfamilycounseling.com/cultqual.html To Knapp's credit, he actually has some good articles there, imo. I read most of these articles when I researched him and checked out his license before I hired him. Raunchydog, Knapp's license is in NY. If I recall correctly, he got his MSW from SUNY, but I'm not sure which city it was. Knapp closed Knapp Family Counseling in 2011 around the time or shortly after he started the Center for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse (CHSCA). The CHSCA was located out of Malone, New York and was incorporated in Delaware. Which is now also closed down, apparently. Knapp also founded the TM-Free blog for disaffected former TMers and ran it for, I believe, a couple of years. He turned it over to fellow TM critic Mike Doughney probably also around the time he started CHSCA. While he was running TM-Free, Knapp appeared to have Google Alerts, or something similar, set up to let him know about any articles concerning TM that appeared on the Web. He made a habit of commenting on those articles and in one way or another making it known he had a therapy practice for people who had been in cults (at least that was the case in the comments of his that I read; he may not have always done it). I notice that he mentioned his practice in his piece for DailyKos as well. Since I first encountered him--1996, I think, on the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental--he's shown himself to be a skilled and very active self-promoter (not that there's anything wrong with that per se). Carol, you're aware that Knapp posted here sporadically in 2008 and 2009, right? A total of 77 posts. If you're interested in reviewing them, here's the search page from the archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch?AT=knappAM=containspos=0cnt=10 http://tinyurl.com/a9lbbto
[FairfieldLife] House is a decent boogie woogie player...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-qv87vXQzo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
God, is no one safe? This is a real domino effect; having to to use anti cult groups to get free from the anti-cult group to get free from the... Look out Share, someday you may need one of these to get free. (No offense meant Carol, but life seems so absurd sometimes.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Raunchydog... You asked if it was TM or something else that precipitated my need to hire Knapp. I did not hire Knapp due to my short TM involvement in the mid 1970s. I hired Knapp in 2008 *specifically* due to my involvement with an anti-cult group which I got involved with in 2006 after leaving a fundamentalist-type Bible org, The Way International. I was involved with The Way from 1977 through 2005. Left The Way and got involved with the anti-Way group which ended up similar to The Way (false accusations, paranoia, us/them, black/white thinking type stuff)...just on the other side; ie: anti instead of pro. Knapp seemed to offer a kind of middle road to try to help me make sense of my entanglement when I found him in 2008. I have an introductory overview to my general Knapp timeline here: http://tossandripple.blogspot.com/p/december-2012-over-next-month-or-so-i.html This FFL Knapp discussion has ended up on two different threads...thus part of the context is missing in this thread. I responded in this thread to one of Share's Knapp comments in this thread, and thus the subject came up here. (Not saying anything is wrong with that, but rather that is how it ended up on this thread.) The 'Knapp' thread is here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331516 Cheers... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Thanks for the suggestion Buck, but I'm currently not in the market. I actually learned TM back in 1975 when I was a teenager. I did my 2 X 20 + more for about 1-1/2 years. Took SCI and volunteered at the TM Center. Then I moved along. So, what does kind of bust mean? Carol, I'm not clear on the timeline of your involvement with Knapp and maybe you wrote about this and I missed it. According to the link below, Knapp got his LMSW in 2005. Since you only practiced TM for a short while 75-76, you must have seen Knapp as a client quite a few years later. It doesn't make sense that TM precipitated your need to hire him. Was it TM or something else? http://www.nysed.gov/coms/op001/opsc2a?profcd=72plicno=071643namechk=KNA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Carol, you really should learn TM, there's some really useful spiritual instruction in it. Even learn the TM checking notes and become a meditation checker too. Then the Patanjali technique kind of puts it all together, TM and buddhistic together. Actually the last technique Maharishi was working on before he died was a real nice blend of transcending and mindfulness. It was very subtle. Well, it was working on the subtle bodies in effect. It all certainly was there but don't get too distracted by Knapp. There's much larger things at stake. Most of us just filter the dissonance and take what is particularly good. Like a great saint once said when asked about the TM movement, If you find a diamond in a pile of shit, take the diamond and wash it off. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Buck, I'm not sure what kind of bust means. By meditate, if you are asking if I practice mantra based meditation? No. I endeavor to practice mindfulness. I do some other practices of focusing in my heart area and on my breath. I gather from some of your posts here that you might live in Fairfield and visit the dome(s)and have been a long-time meditator? So, you don't practice a transcending meditation as part of your mindfulness. Hey Nablusoss, we got another buddhist here on the list. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: You're welcome Share. There are more similar(?) stories to Knapp's at the Trancenet site here: http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/personal/index.shtml A bit more about Trancenet: http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/trancenet.shtml I don't know that much about Trancenet; only what I've read online and what others have stated/written about it. The folks on FFL that have been around awhile know more about it than I do. I'm pretty much an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Buck, I'm not sure what kind of bust means. By meditate, if you are asking if I practice mantra based meditation? No. I endeavor to practice mindfulness. I do some other practices of focusing in my heart area and on my breath. I gather from some of your posts here that you might live in Fairfield and visit the dome(s)and have been a long-time meditator? So, you don't practice a transcending meditation as part of your mindfulness. Hey Nablusoss, we got another buddhist here on the list. There are souls lost in confusion here there and everywhere my friend. A sure sign of Kali Yuga :-) Yep, so no longer a practitioner. Is both a TM and a TMorg apostate. Non-meditator. Quitter.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Buck, I'm not sure what kind of bust means. By meditate, if you are asking if I practice mantra based meditation? No. I endeavor to practice mindfulness. I do some other practices of focusing in my heart area and on my breath. I gather from some of your posts here that you might live in Fairfield and visit the dome(s)and have been a long-time meditator? So, you don't practice a transcending meditation as part of your mindfulness. Hey Nablusoss, we got another buddhist here on the list. There are souls lost in confusion here there and everywhere my friend. A sure sign of Kali Yuga :-) Yep, so no longer a practitioner. Is both a TM and a TMorg apostate. Non-meditator. Quitter. It's official: I am a rabid Buck apostate. Thanks for helping me come to my senses.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Regarding TMFree...after Knapp axed me and people started coming across my path who had similar harmful interactions with Knapp, I learned that Knapp really wasn't *the* founder of TMFree. From my understanding it was a group effort and Knapp knew the webstuff so he set up the site. There is a thread somewhere on the Rick Ross Forum, but I can't locate it at the moment, that discusses the history of how the folks who started TMFree came together. So, technically, from my understanding, Knapp is not *the* founder. He organized the web stuff. He had the counselor initials behind his name, and somehow that made him *the* founder. I do not know if he started calling himself the founder, or if others agreed to that or what. I've been told by three people that Knapp plagiarized them. When confronted, Knapp 1)gave credit to one of the people; 2) ignored one of the people; 3) offered to change the author for the one other person, but that author opted to disassociate with Knapp, so the piece itself was deleted. In 2010, when Knapp was recruiting me for what became his now-defunct non-profit, at that time (in 2010) he was thinking of naming it The Knapp Center for Healing. I didn't have any problem with that. He said one of the reasons he wanted to use his name was to meet his narcissistic needs. He wasn't joking when he stated that to me. It was in the context of healthy narcissism...like wanting to leave a mark before one dies. I guess using his name got voted out (or something) with his next round of recruits who helped put together the 2011 non-profit. Most (if not all) those recruits resigned once Knapp showed his true colors. If I find that Rick Ross thread, I'll post a link. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Here's a link to the Way Back archive to Knapp's former therapy practice, Knapp Family Counseling. I think most of the links there work to access other parts of the archived site. http://web.archive.org/web/20110501055727/http://www.knappfamilycounseling.com/cultqual.html To Knapp's credit, he actually has some good articles there, imo. I read most of these articles when I researched him and checked out his license before I hired him. Raunchydog, Knapp's license is in NY. If I recall correctly, he got his MSW from SUNY, but I'm not sure which city it was. Knapp closed Knapp Family Counseling in 2011 around the time or shortly after he started the Center for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse (CHSCA). The CHSCA was located out of Malone, New York and was incorporated in Delaware. Which is now also closed down, apparently. Knapp also founded the TM-Free blog for disaffected former TMers and ran it for, I believe, a couple of years. He turned it over to fellow TM critic Mike Doughney probably also around the time he started CHSCA. While he was running TM-Free, Knapp appeared to have Google Alerts, or something similar, set up to let him know about any articles concerning TM that appeared on the Web. He made a habit of commenting on those articles and in one way or another making it known he had a therapy practice for people who had been in cults (at least that was the case in the comments of his that I read; he may not have always done it). I notice that he mentioned his practice in his piece for DailyKos as well. Since I first encountered him--1996, I think, on the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental--he's shown himself to be a skilled and very active self-promoter (not that there's anything wrong with that per se). Carol, you're aware that Knapp posted here sporadically in 2008 and 2009, right? A total of 77 posts. If you're interested in reviewing them, here's the search page from the archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch?AT=knappAM=containspos=0cnt=10 http://tinyurl.com/a9lbbto
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
You're probably right Feste. It's even getting tedious for me. That said, Knapp has harmed many people without accountability. There is much that isn't public and never will be. I hope he doesn't fleece his new social circle too badly. But, that is their business, of course. My point in bringing up the TMFree was simply to point out that Knapp makes claims regarding himself that are at least slightly askew. Perhaps we all do that. I don't know if Knapp meant well from the get go. I have my doubts now. At one time I thought he meant well, like other leaders that get exposed for their corruption. Mistakes are one thing, cover up is something else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Regarding TMFree...after Knapp axed me and people started coming across my path who had similar harmful interactions with Knapp, I learned that Knapp really wasn't *the* founder of TMFree. From my understanding it was a group effort and Knapp knew the webstuff so he set up the site. There is a thread somewhere on the Rick Ross Forum, but I can't locate it at the moment, that discusses the history of how the folks who started TMFree came together. So, technically, from my understanding, Knapp is not *the* founder. He organized the web stuff. He had the counselor initials behind his name, and somehow that made him *the* founder. I do not know if he started calling himself the founder, or if others agreed to that or what. I've been told by three people that Knapp plagiarized them. When confronted, Knapp 1)gave credit to one of the people; 2) ignored one of the people; 3) offered to change the author for the one other person, but that author opted to disassociate with Knapp, so the piece itself was deleted. In 2010, when Knapp was recruiting me for what became his now-defunct non-profit, at that time (in 2010) he was thinking of naming it The Knapp Center for Healing. I didn't have any problem with that. He said one of the reasons he wanted to use his name was to meet his narcissistic needs. He wasn't joking when he stated that to me. It was in the context of healthy narcissism...like wanting to leave a mark before one dies. I guess using his name got voted out (or something) with his next round of recruits who helped put together the 2011 non-profit. Most (if not all) those recruits resigned once Knapp showed his true colors. If I find that Rick Ross thread, I'll post a link. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Here's a link to the Way Back archive to Knapp's former therapy practice, Knapp Family Counseling. I think most of the links there work to access other parts of the archived site. http://web.archive.org/web/20110501055727/http://www.knappfamilycounseling.com/cultqual.html To Knapp's credit, he actually has some good articles there, imo. I read most of these articles when I researched him and checked out his license before I hired him. Raunchydog, Knapp's license is in NY. If I recall correctly, he got his MSW from SUNY, but I'm not sure which city it was. Knapp closed Knapp Family Counseling in 2011 around the time or shortly after he started the Center for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse (CHSCA). The CHSCA was located out of Malone, New York and was incorporated in Delaware. Which is now also closed down, apparently. Knapp also founded the TM-Free blog for disaffected former TMers and ran it for, I believe, a couple of years. He turned it over to fellow TM critic Mike Doughney probably also around the time he started CHSCA. While he was running TM-Free, Knapp appeared to have Google Alerts, or something similar, set up to let him know about any articles concerning TM that appeared on the Web. He made a habit of commenting on those articles and in one way or another making it known he had a therapy practice for people who had been in cults (at least that was the case in the comments of his that I read; he may not have always done it). I notice that he mentioned his practice in his piece for DailyKos as well. Since I first encountered him--1996, I think, on the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental--he's shown himself to be a skilled and very active self-promoter (not that there's anything wrong with
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Also...I didn't see my comments as to documenting how awful Knapp is, but rather to exposing facts regarding his dishonesty. But maybe that is documenting how awful one person is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Regarding TMFree...after Knapp axed me and people started coming across my path who had similar harmful interactions with Knapp, I learned that Knapp really wasn't *the* founder of TMFree. From my understanding it was a group effort and Knapp knew the webstuff so he set up the site. There is a thread somewhere on the Rick Ross Forum, but I can't locate it at the moment, that discusses the history of how the folks who started TMFree came together. So, technically, from my understanding, Knapp is not *the* founder. He organized the web stuff. He had the counselor initials behind his name, and somehow that made him *the* founder. I do not know if he started calling himself the founder, or if others agreed to that or what. I've been told by three people that Knapp plagiarized them. When confronted, Knapp 1)gave credit to one of the people; 2) ignored one of the people; 3) offered to change the author for the one other person, but that author opted to disassociate with Knapp, so the piece itself was deleted. In 2010, when Knapp was recruiting me for what became his now-defunct non-profit, at that time (in 2010) he was thinking of naming it The Knapp Center for Healing. I didn't have any problem with that. He said one of the reasons he wanted to use his name was to meet his narcissistic needs. He wasn't joking when he stated that to me. It was in the context of healthy narcissism...like wanting to leave a mark before one dies. I guess using his name got voted out (or something) with his next round of recruits who helped put together the 2011 non-profit. Most (if not all) those recruits resigned once Knapp showed his true colors. If I find that Rick Ross thread, I'll post a link. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Here's a link to the Way Back archive to Knapp's former therapy practice, Knapp Family Counseling. I think most of the links there work to access other parts of the archived site. http://web.archive.org/web/20110501055727/http://www.knappfamilycounseling.com/cultqual.html To Knapp's credit, he actually has some good articles there, imo. I read most of these articles when I researched him and checked out his license before I hired him. Raunchydog, Knapp's license is in NY. If I recall correctly, he got his MSW from SUNY, but I'm not sure which city it was. Knapp closed Knapp Family Counseling in 2011 around the time or shortly after he started the Center for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse (CHSCA). The CHSCA was located out of Malone, New York and was incorporated in Delaware. Which is now also closed down, apparently. Knapp also founded the TM-Free blog for disaffected former TMers and ran it for, I believe, a couple of years. He turned it over to fellow TM critic Mike Doughney probably also around the time he started CHSCA. While he was running TM-Free, Knapp appeared to have Google Alerts, or something similar, set up to let him know about any articles concerning TM that appeared on the Web. He made a habit of commenting on those articles and in one way or another making it known he had a therapy practice for people who had been in cults (at least that was the case in the comments of his that I read; he may not have always done it). I notice that he mentioned his practice in his piece for DailyKos as well. Since I first encountered him--1996, I think, on the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental--he's shown himself to be a skilled and very active self-promoter (not that there's anything wrong with that per se). Carol, you're aware that Knapp posted here sporadically in 2008 and 2009, right? A total of 77 posts. If you're interested in reviewing them, here's the search page from the archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch?AT=knappAM=containspos=0cnt=10 http://tinyurl.com/a9lbbto
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
You're right Barry...I don't have much else to say on this board other than the Knapp subject. Again, I haven't cyberstalked. But I addressed your similar allegations earlier asking you for documentation of your allegations against me. You chose to not respond. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Hey doc... Younger than whom? :D --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Barry stated: This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. Nope, wasn't my purpose Barry. I stated my purpose earlier here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331605 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331522 I would have stopped with my one update..but you responded with a long post stating things that weren't true as fact. So...the discourse continued and turned into a discussion. It may have stayed quiet if you hadn't started writing about things of which you have no or little knowledge. Or perhaps it would have gone on with other's questions. My previous updates (of which there were 5 in the past year) went pretty much without notice. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... What drives poor victimized Barry crazy are women who dare to speak. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + To Carol
Carol, just don't post out! You know about that right? 50/week. Anyway, I had a peek at your blog and I love your writing there. As for your age, I'm guessing you're in your late 50s which would make you younger than a lot of us here. I'm 64 1/2 and many of the guys are in their late 60s or even early 70s. A few of the women are about your age or a little younger. One older than me. For some I have no idea what their age is. And for a while I wasn't even sure of the gender of my crushee (-: Anyway, to help you segue into a topic other than JK, what do you think about the other thread introduced recently: that men and women both lie. I'd enjoy your feedback on that especially with your long term focus on cyber connections. I'm wondering: what is Truth? what is the difference between a lie and an inaccuracy? what is the importance of intention when people tell what is called a white lie? Welcoming whatever you want to say... From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews You're right Barry...I don't have much else to say on this board other than the Knapp subject. Again, I haven't cyberstalked. But I addressed your similar allegations earlier asking you for documentation of your allegations against me. You chose to not respond. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to struggle against that once lofty position. T...B commented that one of the posters here was a bigot, because he followed a bigot, T...B not recognizing that he went a lot further in his allegiance to the so-called bigot, becoming a Teacher of his, than the person he criticized. More examples abound. So, I ask myself - what makes someone willfully blind? Obviously having been told wondrous and powerful things about oneself is very intoxicating. The ego revels at such an opportunity to make this the core of the mind's life story. This is the trap for the Teachers of TM who chose to leave the teaching, but retained all the wonderful and inspiring things said about them. Glad I was always washing dishes, or planting strawberries...:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey doc... Younger than whom? :D --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] What is consciousness...and unconsciousness?
*Excellent* article on the nature of consciousness and whether it can be measured accurately in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/awakening/309188/?single_page=true The basis of this article is not What is consciousness per se, although it touches on that, but What is consciousness when a person is supposedly anesthetized, and undergoing an operation? I use the word supposedly above because there is a little-discussed phenomenon called intraoperative recall or anesthesia awareness. Imagine that you are having an operation, and you suddenly wake up on the table. You can hear the surgeons' voices, feel them cutting and sawing away inside you, but your eyes are taped closed and your body is paralyzed, so there is no way to communicate this to the doctors. Sadly, this is not the script of a horror movie, but something that happens to an estimated one out of every 1,000 surgery patients. Naturally, many of the people that this happens to develop symptoms of PTSD after the operations. But, as horrific as all of this sounds, it has launched fascinating research into the bigger question -- What *is* consciousness, and how do we tell whether it's present or not present? Fascinating read. Edg will probably love it. Or hate it. Hard to tell with him. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness?
Awake (2007) - Jessica Alba, Hayden Christensen. The story focuses on a man who suffers anesthetic awareness and finds himself awake and aware, but paralyzed, during heart surgery. Excellent flick if you haven't seen it!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: *Excellent* article on the nature of consciousness and whether it can be measured accurately in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/awakening/309188/?single_page=true The basis of this article is not What is consciousness per se, although it touches on that, but What is consciousness when a person is supposedly anesthetized, and undergoing an operation? I use the word supposedly above because there is a little-discussed phenomenon called intraoperative recall or anesthesia awareness. Imagine that you are having an operation, and you suddenly wake up on the table. You can hear the surgeons' voices, feel them cutting and sawing away inside you, but your eyes are taped closed and your body is paralyzed, so there is no way to communicate this to the doctors. Sadly, this is not the script of a horror movie, but something that happens to an estimated one out of every 1,000 surgery patients. Naturally, many of the people that this happens to develop symptoms of PTSD after the operations. But, as horrific as all of this sounds, it has launched fascinating research into the bigger question -- What *is* consciousness, and how do we tell whether it's present or not present? Fascinating read. Edg will probably love it. Or hate it. Hard to tell with him. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: You're right Barry...I don't have much else to say on this board other than the Knapp subject. Again, I haven't cyberstalked. But I addressed your similar allegations earlier asking you for documentation of your allegations against me. You chose to not respond. Carol, it's his way of feeling like he has the upper hand. If you open yourself up to Barry he just can't wait to get in there and punch you where he knows it can hurt. He is very stuck in his morass of bitterness and he attempts to bring people down to his level of unhappiness. Give him no attention and do not think for one moment he has your best interests, or anyones for that matter, at heart - if he indeed has a heart. If you want to talk about John Knapp go ahead but I feel you have put enough information out there for people to do some research on their own and frankly, I doubt any of the active posters here are in danger of falling into any of his 'traps'. But if we can talk about crop circles and the Maharish Effect here at FFL we can certainly talk about disgraced cult de-programmers. You just keep talking until you feel you don't want to anymore. If people don't want to read what you say, then they can skip it but don't let anyone silence you. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + To Carol
Hey Share... I've read about the posting out, but wasn't sure of the number. Thanks for that. I've been off work this past week and have had more frivolous online time. I've got to get back to work today, so my posts will slow down. Ha on the ages. You are close regarding mine...except I'm younger 50s, 53. :) You had a crushee on here? :D Thanks for the compliment regarding my blog. Do you have a blog? Ironically, Knapp was a big influence in me putting my thoughts on a blog. I still question why I blog...why do I put my writing up on the computer with a million-plus other blogs? I still don't have a concrete answer. I did see and read over Barry's post about men and women and lying and the emotional aspect of women in regard to PTSD and (according to at least one woman's observation) women's lesser ability than men to practice mindfulness. I try not to focus on lying and try to take people as much as possible at face value. So, it's not something I go around looking for; ie: lies. Humans intentionally or unintentionally tell lies...mostly I think white lies. I imagine white lies are told to 'save face' and try to avoid certain consequences. From what I've seen, the big black lies are told to save face and to endeavor to humiliate, scare, and assassinate another person's character. Human behavior is complex. I'm not schooled in anthropology/sociology/psychology...just done my own lay reading. I often end up with more questions than answers. What are some of your thoughts on lying and such? Maybe this discussion would be better moved to Barry's thread about men and women and lying. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Carol, just don't post out! You know about that right? 50/week. Anyway, I had a peek at your blog and I love your writing there. As for your age, I'm guessing you're in your late 50s which would make you younger than a lot of us here. I'm 64 1/2 and many of the guys are in their late 60s or even early 70s. A few of the women are about your age or a little younger. One older than me. For some I have no idea what their age is. And for a while I wasn't even sure of the gender of my crushee (-: Anyway, to help you segue into a topic other than JK, what do you think about the other thread introduced recently: that men and women both lie. I'd enjoy your feedback on that especially with your long term focus on cyber connections. I'm wondering: what is Truth? what is the difference between a lie and an inaccuracy? what is the importance of intention when people tell what is called a white lie?  Welcoming whatever you want to say... From: Carol To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  You're right Barry...I don't have much else to say on this board other than the Knapp subject. Again, I haven't cyberstalked. But I addressed your similar allegations earlier asking you for documentation of your allegations against me. You chose to not respond. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy, I chose to rationalize it. After all, the leadership knew what was best for the followers and always had our best interest in mind. (sarcasm) It's a long story of course. We all have those...long stories. To cherry picking, strawberries, and dirty dishes! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to struggle against that once lofty position. T...B commented that one of the posters here was a bigot, because he followed a bigot, T...B not recognizing that he went a lot further in his allegiance to the so-called bigot, becoming a Teacher of his, than the person he criticized. More examples abound. So, I ask myself - what makes someone willfully blind? Obviously having been told wondrous and powerful things about oneself is very intoxicating. The ego revels at such an opportunity to make this the core of the mind's life story. This is the trap for the Teachers of TM who chose to leave the teaching, but retained all the wonderful and inspiring things said about them. Glad I was always washing dishes, or planting strawberries...:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey doc... Younger than whom? :D --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
I have to agree. Whatever happens, happens and this saves us a whole lot of money. LMAO! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: May his soul rest in peace. According to what I have been told by Vedic experts, Makar Sankranti (January 14th) is the day of the sun going into Makara (Capricorn), and dying that day and beyond, coming months during the sun gaining strength time of the year, is protecting from rebirth. That is the day of auspicious death. According to this belief, Triguna will be coming back in some reincarnated form. Cool. So according to these experts, the 10,251,000 people who die every year during this period avoid reincarnation just by dying at the right time. Bummer for all those who thought they had to do some sort of spiritual sadhana to achieve that, eh? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of silence in the new year. OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything like that, just to see whether you understand the nature of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not, that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney had died on this day, or David Lynch? It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it All About Us. Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence started. There is no relationship between the two events. When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified to ask Why? There IS a relationship only insofar as two things happened on the same day. Other than that it would be a stretch, in my opinion, to believe that he waited to die or was ordained to die on the same day as the first day of silence (whatever that is) and that that would be somehow auspicious. I also agree that the question why is not asked often enough. It seems there are a lot of 'faithful' at FFL; not that it is a bad thing but I prefer faith tempered with a healthy dose of questioning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness?
Didn't get to finish this article, but enjoyed it. The other day when the subject came up here, I couldn't recall the name of the anesthesia my mom said she was given during childbirth. It was twilight, and she said a lot of weird stuff (profanities etc) would come out of women's mouths while under the influence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_anesthesia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_anesthesia I had two younger twins sisters born in July of 1959. They were permature, and needed to have oxygen (right mixture). It was only a few months prior to this that it was discovered that too much oxygen was causing brain damage. Always thankful for that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: *Excellent* article on the nature of consciousness and whether it can be measured accurately in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/awakening/309188/?si\ ngle_page=true The basis of this article is not What is consciousness per se, although it touches on that, but What is consciousness when a person is supposedly anesthetized, and undergoing an operation? I use the word supposedly above because there is a little-discussed phenomenon called intraoperative recall or anesthesia awareness. Imagine that you are having an operation, and you suddenly wake up on the table. You can hear the surgeons' voices, feel them cutting and sawing away inside you, but your eyes are taped closed and your body is paralyzed, so there is no way to communicate this to the doctors. Sadly, this is not the script of a horror movie, but something that happens to an estimated one out of every 1,000 surgery patients. Naturally, many of the people that this happens to develop symptoms of PTSD after the operations. But, as horrific as all of this sounds, it has launched fascinating research into the bigger question -- What *is* consciousness, and how do we tell whether it's present or not present? Fascinating read. Edg will probably love it. Or hate it. Hard to tell with him. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to struggle against that once lofty position. T...B commented that one of the posters here was a bigot, because he followed a bigot, T...B not recognizing that he went a lot further in his allegiance to the so-called bigot, becoming a Teacher of his, than the person he criticized. More examples abound. So, I ask myself - what makes someone willfully blind? Obviously having been told wondrous and powerful things about oneself is very intoxicating. The ego revels at such an opportunity to make this the core of the mind's life story. This is the trap for the Teachers of TM who chose to leave the teaching, but retained all the wonderful and inspiring things said about them. Glad I was always washing dishes, or planting strawberries...:-) Not to mention chopping wood :-) Anyway, I'm convinced Maharishi HAD to build up all those scarred hippies in some way or the other in order to make them do anything at all. One being lifting them up telling them how great and important they were. Some younger souls simply got their egos so puffed up they never really landed. This happened to quite a lot of Governors but not I to the majority, who looked through this strategy from Maharishi to uplift the weakest amongst us and somehow understood what he was saying; now it's time to do some serious work ! Nablusoss Fundamentalist Overlord
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Well thank you Ann. Barry hasn't hurt me, if that has been his intention. There would have been a time his words and false claims would have hurt. But I've grown some thicker skin over the years...and especially after Knapp's online attempted character assassination. That was a huge eye-opener for me. Initially, I was baffled and shell shocked by Knapp's lies; especially his dime-store sex story. (If you missed that one, it's here: http://tossandripple.blogspot.com/2000/01/for-record-part-eight.html After Knapp's initial harm in 2010 when I was his client, others who I was put in touch with, shared with me about how Knapp lies. I simply couldn't believe it at the time. I'd hear Knapp's good therapist voice in my head ... and then I'd hear his critical voice in my head. It was a mind-eff for a while. Knapp's attempted online character assassination in 2011 did finally convince me of how much Knapp had lied. After his attempts in 2011 to denigrate me, is when I got really shell shocked. But, I'm pretty much over it now. If I weren't, there would be no way I could have posted Knapp's own trashy words and false accusations on my blog. Thanks again!! :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: You're right Barry...I don't have much else to say on this board other than the Knapp subject. Again, I haven't cyberstalked. But I addressed your similar allegations earlier asking you for documentation of your allegations against me. You chose to not respond. Carol, it's his way of feeling like he has the upper hand. If you open yourself up to Barry he just can't wait to get in there and punch you where he knows it can hurt. He is very stuck in his morass of bitterness and he attempts to bring people down to his level of unhappiness. Give him no attention and do not think for one moment he has your best interests, or anyones for that matter, at heart - if he indeed has a heart. If you want to talk about John Knapp go ahead but I feel you have put enough information out there for people to do some research on their own and frankly, I doubt any of the active posters here are in danger of falling into any of his 'traps'. But if we can talk about crop circles and the Maharish Effect here at FFL we can certainly talk about disgraced cult de-programmers. You just keep talking until you feel you don't want to anymore. If people don't want to read what you say, then they can skip it but don't let anyone silence you. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy, I chose to rationalize it. After all, the leadership knew what was best for the followers and always had our best interest in mind. (sarcasm) It's a long story of course. We all have those...long stories. To cherry picking, strawberries, and dirty dishes! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to struggle against that once lofty position. T...B commented that one of the posters here was a bigot, because he followed a bigot, T...B not recognizing that he went a lot further in his allegiance to the so-called bigot, becoming a Teacher of his, than the person he criticized. More examples abound. So, I ask myself - what makes someone willfully blind? Obviously having been told wondrous and powerful things about oneself is very intoxicating. The ego revels at such an opportunity to make this the core of the mind's life story. This is the trap for the Teachers of TM who chose to leave the teaching, but retained all the wonderful and inspiring things said about them. Glad I was always washing dishes, or planting strawberries...:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey doc... Younger than whom? :D --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold
[FairfieldLife] Jewish Settlers Raid Nablus Village
Jewish Settlers Raid Nablus Village Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on email Share on print More Sharing Services 0 09 : 31 AM - 06/01/2013 Nablus,Jan.6 (BNA) - Jewish settlers raided a northern West Bank village on Saturday for the second time this week, leading to clashes with Palestinians. Dozens of settlers from the outpost of Esh Kodesh raided the Nablus village of Qusra, firing live ammunition into the air, settlement monitoring official Ghassan Daghlas said, reported the Palestinian news agency Maan. On Tuesday, dozens of settlers raided Qusra and uprooted more than 190 olive trees. Several residents of the village were assaulted, and homes and a tractor were also damaged in the raid. Settler attacks on Palestinian communities and their property are systematic and rarely prosecuted by Israeli authorities. All Israeli settlements are considered illegal under international law. EM http://www.bna.bh/portal/en/news/540588
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy, I chose to rationalize it. After all, the leadership knew what was best for the followers and always had our best interest in mind. (sarcasm) It's a long story of course. We all have those...long stories. To cherry picking, strawberries, and dirty dishes! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to struggle against that once lofty position. T...B commented that one of the posters here was a bigot, because he followed a bigot, T...B not recognizing that he went a lot further in his allegiance to the so-called bigot, becoming a Teacher of his, than the person he criticized. More examples abound. So, I ask myself - what makes someone willfully blind? Obviously having been told wondrous and powerful things about oneself is very intoxicating. The ego revels at such an opportunity to make this the core of the mind's life story. This is the trap for the Teachers of TM who chose to leave the teaching, but retained all the wonderful and inspiring things said about them. Glad I was always washing dishes, or planting strawberries...:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey doc... Younger than whom? :D --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
LOL- Dear Fundamentalist Overlord, I don't doubt Maharishi's strategy. He had to start somewhere, and those were some of the consequences. Not really a big deal now, though it was *very* weird at the time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to struggle against that once lofty position. T...B commented that one of the posters here was a bigot, because he followed a bigot, T...B not recognizing that he went a lot further in his allegiance to the so-called bigot, becoming a Teacher of his, than the person he criticized. More examples abound. So, I ask myself - what makes someone willfully blind? Obviously having been told wondrous and powerful things about oneself is very intoxicating. The ego revels at such an opportunity to make this the core of the mind's life story. This is the trap for the Teachers of TM who chose to leave the teaching, but retained all the wonderful and inspiring things said about them. Glad I was always washing dishes, or planting strawberries...:-) Not to mention chopping wood :-) Anyway, I'm convinced Maharishi HAD to build up all those scarred hippies in some way or the other in order to make them do anything at all. One being lifting them up telling them how great and important they were. Some younger souls simply got their egos so puffed up they never really landed. This happened to quite a lot of Governors but not I to the majority, who looked through this strategy from Maharishi to uplift the weakest amongst us and somehow understood what he was saying; now it's time to do some serious work ! Nablusoss Fundamentalist Overlord
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: After Knapp's initial harm in 2010 when I was his client, others who I was put in touch with, shared with me about how Knapp lies. I simply couldn't believe it at the time. I'd hear Knapp's good therapist voice in my head ... and then I'd hear his critical voice in my head. It was a mind-eff for a while. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://moodyncheeky.files.wordpress.\ com/2010/07/smeagol1.jpgimgrefurl=http://moodyncheeky.com/2010/07/05/yo\ da-vs-smeagol/h=401w=506sz=31tbnid=bvivoEz6aXXl1M:tbnh=90tbnw=114\ prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlotr%2Bsmeagol%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Duzoom=1q=lotr+s\ meagolusg=__fTvI6rrfyDBocyN1HCoXFzYM6Ko=docid=BOjEzu8BziTgAMhl=ensa=\ Xei=IrDpULnaFYiGrgGrtYEgved=0CFsQ9QEwBQdur=1589 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://moodyncheeky.files.wordpress\ .com/2010/07/smeagol1.jpgimgrefurl=http://moodyncheeky.com/2010/07/05/y\ oda-vs-smeagol/h=401w=506sz=31tbnid=bvivoEz6aXXl1M:tbnh=90tbnw=114\ prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlotr%2Bsmeagol%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Duzoom=1q=lotr+\ smeagolusg=__fTvI6rrfyDBocyN1HCoXFzYM6Ko=docid=BOjEzu8BziTgAMhl=ensa\ =Xei=IrDpULnaFYiGrgGrtYEgved=0CFsQ9QEwBQdur=1589 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/12383000\ /ngbbs4623caaea7fe8.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/68\ 8583h=286w=358sz=16tbnid=Pvw_G5kf5AV9_M:tbnh=90tbnw=113prev=/sear\ ch%3Fq%3Dlotr%2Bsmeagol%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Duzoom=1q=lotr+smeagolusg\ =__9WRx5lQFxewme_Jj89HgPPdM3r8=docid=JVB-bxtfli_XTMhl=ensa=Xei=IrDpU\ LnaFYiGrgGrtYEgved=0CF4Q9QEwBgdur=788 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/1238300\ 0/ngbbs4623caaea7fe8.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/6\ 88583h=286w=358sz=16tbnid=Pvw_G5kf5AV9_M:tbnh=90tbnw=113prev=/sea\ rch%3Fq%3Dlotr%2Bsmeagol%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Duzoom=1q=lotr+smeagolus\ g=__9WRx5lQFxewme_Jj89HgPPdM3r8=docid=JVB-bxtfli_XTMhl=ensa=Xei=IrDp\ ULnaFYiGrgGrtYEgved=0CF4Q9QEwBgdur=788
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I do not know if it still exists. Beautiful scenery, though the place was already a dump when I lived there in 1978, just after it was turned into a men's facility. There was one functional wing, and that was reserved for the Governors. I lived first in a vermin infested shack, through the snow, down by the lake, then later in a leaky and cold dorm room. We had electricity but no hot water, and for awhile there was no plumbing at all in the entire facility for flushing toilets (except in the functional wing) - awesome smell! The roofs leaked everywhere. There were big rats in the kitchen where all the course food was prepared. The office building was really shaky - three stories tall, and about a hundred years old at the time. I was on the printing crew, and sometimes had to manipulate a forklift with faulty brakes around the basement, careful not to knock any support beams out of place, and bring the building down on top of me. The benefits: Saw the Northern Lights many, many times, and deer also abounded on the property. I also did residence courses (4x4) every month, and rounded 2x2 the rest of the time, so it served its purpose for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy, I chose to rationalize it. After all, the leadership knew what was best for the followers and always had our best interest in mind. (sarcasm) It's a long story of course. We all have those...long stories. To cherry picking, strawberries, and dirty dishes! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness?
Way too long to read for me, cuz, I'm not interested in how all the descriptions of the clockworks are evolving. Seems to me they will still be just scratching the surface for a long time to come. As long as they are concerned with perception and memory, they're not getting close to defining the self. These days, I'm thinking the human ape can become subtle enough to pick up on ANYTHING, but how that might be possible is a wide open conversation. I'm pretty much thinking that the mechanics of mind are going to be found to be one huge quantum entangled whole -- a true scientific possibility that seems to give us a basis for the phenomenon of omniscience. I'm here, I'm everywhere. Like that. Meanwhile, the liquid crystal water studies about which I've posted herein, have me leaning into pure being as a yet-still-merely-physicality-afoot -- as a buzz that is heard when the exclusion zones around the sensing neurons become pure enough. If so, then consciousness becomes a mess of back and forthings between brain parts..and the witness of all that is still unapproachable via instrumentality. I don't see a definition for consciousness that is valuable to us unless it realizes the process as ALWAYS holistic and not a strictly individualized event. Infinite self ref and all that butterfly on the other side of the world thingie. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: *Excellent* article on the nature of consciousness and whether it can be measured accurately in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/awakening/309188/?single_page=true The basis of this article is not What is consciousness per se, although it touches on that, but What is consciousness when a person is supposedly anesthetized, and undergoing an operation? I use the word supposedly above because there is a little-discussed phenomenon called intraoperative recall or anesthesia awareness. Imagine that you are having an operation, and you suddenly wake up on the table. You can hear the surgeons' voices, feel them cutting and sawing away inside you, but your eyes are taped closed and your body is paralyzed, so there is no way to communicate this to the doctors. Sadly, this is not the script of a horror movie, but something that happens to an estimated one out of every 1,000 surgery patients. Naturally, many of the people that this happens to develop symptoms of PTSD after the operations. But, as horrific as all of this sounds, it has launched fascinating research into the bigger question -- What *is* consciousness, and how do we tell whether it's present or not present? Fascinating read. Edg will probably love it. Or hate it. Hard to tell with him. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Ditto to what Ann says here in the second paragraph. From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: You're right Barry...I don't have much else to say on this board other than the Knapp subject. Again, I haven't cyberstalked. But I addressed your similar allegations earlier asking you for documentation of your allegations against me. You chose to not respond. Carol, it's his way of feeling like he has the upper hand. If you open yourself up to Barry he just can't wait to get in there and punch you where he knows it can hurt. He is very stuck in his morass of bitterness and he attempts to bring people down to his level of unhappiness. Give him no attention and do not think for one moment he has your best interests, or anyones for that matter, at heart - if he indeed has a heart. If you want to talk about John Knapp go ahead but I feel you have put enough information out there for people to do some research on their own and frankly, I doubt any of the active posters here are in danger of falling into any of his 'traps'. But if we can talk about crop circles and the Maharish Effect here at FFL we can certainly talk about disgraced cult de-programmers. You just keep talking until you feel you don't want to anymore. If people don't want to read what you say, then they can skip it but don't let anyone silence you. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I do not know if it still exists. Beautiful scenery, though the place was already a dump when I lived there in 1978, just after it was turned into a men's facility. There was one functional wing, and that was reserved for the Governors. I lived first in a vermin infested shack, through the snow, down by the lake, then later in a leaky and cold dorm room. We had electricity but no hot water, and for awhile there was no plumbing at all in the entire facility for flushing toilets (except in the functional wing) - awesome smell! The roofs leaked everywhere. There were big rats in the kitchen where all the course food was prepared. The office building was really shaky - three stories tall, and about a hundred years old at the time. I was on the printing crew, and sometimes had to manipulate a forklift with faulty brakes around the basement, careful not to knock any support beams out of place, and bring the building down on top of me. The benefits: Saw the Northern Lights many, many times, and deer also abounded on the property. I also did residence courses (4x4) every month, and rounded 2x2 the rest of the time, so it served its purpose for me. Yes, the rounding was good. If you can take the right perspective, which you seem to do, the whole thing was quite an adventure, even if not fair or the way any decent boss would operate things. I think later all the buildings were inspected and found dangerous for many reasons. I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy, I chose to rationalize it. After all, the leadership knew what was best for the followers and always had our best interest in mind. (sarcasm) It's a long story of course. We all have those...long stories. To cherry picking, strawberries, and dirty dishes! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness?
How 'bout the human being is a pattern matching machine and the Self the electricity to run it? At some point the pattern matching machine notices the electricity that is running it. IOW, what we and what we think we are may be a million miles away. Put that in your chillum and smoke it. :-D On 01/06/2013 09:28 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Way too long to read for me, cuz, I'm not interested in how all the descriptions of the clockworks are evolving. Seems to me they will still be just scratching the surface for a long time to come. As long as they are concerned with perception and memory, they're not getting close to defining the self. These days, I'm thinking the human ape can become subtle enough to pick up on ANYTHING, but how that might be possible is a wide open conversation. I'm pretty much thinking that the mechanics of mind are going to be found to be one huge quantum entangled whole -- a true scientific possibility that seems to give us a basis for the phenomenon of omniscience. I'm here, I'm everywhere. Like that. Meanwhile, the liquid crystal water studies about which I've posted herein, have me leaning into pure being as a yet-still-merely-physicality-afoot -- as a buzz that is heard when the exclusion zones around the sensing neurons become pure enough. If so, then consciousness becomes a mess of back and forthings between brain parts..and the witness of all that is still unapproachable via instrumentality. I don't see a definition for consciousness that is valuable to us unless it realizes the process as ALWAYS holistic and not a strictly individualized event. Infinite self ref and all that butterfly on the other side of the world thingie. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: *Excellent* article on the nature of consciousness and whether it can be measured accurately in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/awakening/309188/?single_page=true The basis of this article is not What is consciousness per se, although it touches on that, but What is consciousness when a person is supposedly anesthetized, and undergoing an operation? I use the word supposedly above because there is a little-discussed phenomenon called intraoperative recall or anesthesia awareness. Imagine that you are having an operation, and you suddenly wake up on the table. You can hear the surgeons' voices, feel them cutting and sawing away inside you, but your eyes are taped closed and your body is paralyzed, so there is no way to communicate this to the doctors. Sadly, this is not the script of a horror movie, but something that happens to an estimated one out of every 1,000 surgery patients. Naturally, many of the people that this happens to develop symptoms of PTSD after the operations. But, as horrific as all of this sounds, it has launched fascinating research into the bigger question -- What *is* consciousness, and how do we tell whether it's present or not present? Fascinating read. Edg will probably love it. Or hate it. Hard to tell with him. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness?
Speaking of water, here is an example of how water crystals can be affected by different things from Masaru Emoto. Music, like Bach also has an effect. Link attached in case photos don't come through. http://www.unitedearth.com.au/watercrystals.html Polluted water from the Fujiwara Dam, Japan Dam water after a Buddhist Prayer is offered. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness? Way too long to read for me, cuz, I'm not interested in how all the descriptions of the clockworks are evolving. Seems to me they will still be just scratching the surface for a long time to come. As long as they are concerned with perception and memory, they're not getting close to defining the self. These days, I'm thinking the human ape can become subtle enough to pick up on ANYTHING, but how that might be possible is a wide open conversation. I'm pretty much thinking that the mechanics of mind are going to be found to be one huge quantum entangled whole -- a true scientific possibility that seems to give us a basis for the phenomenon of omniscience. I'm here, I'm everywhere. Like that. Meanwhile, the liquid crystal water studies about which I've posted herein, have me leaning into pure being as a yet-still-merely-physicality-afoot -- as a buzz that is heard when the exclusion zones around the sensing neurons become pure enough. If so, then consciousness becomes a mess of back and forthings between brain parts..and the witness of all that is still unapproachable via instrumentality. I don't see a definition for consciousness that is valuable to us unless it realizes the process as ALWAYS holistic and not a strictly individualized event. Infinite self ref and all that butterfly on the other side of the world thingie. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: *Excellent* article on the nature of consciousness and whether it can be measured accurately in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/awakening/309188/?single_page=true The basis of this article is not What is consciousness per se, although it touches on that, but What is consciousness when a person is supposedly anesthetized, and undergoing an operation? I use the word supposedly above because there is a little-discussed phenomenon called intraoperative recall or anesthesia awareness. Imagine that you are having an operation, and you suddenly wake up on the table. You can hear the surgeons' voices, feel them cutting and sawing away inside you, but your eyes are taped closed and your body is paralyzed, so there is no way to communicate this to the doctors. Sadly, this is not the script of a horror movie, but something that happens to an estimated one out of every 1,000 surgery patients. Naturally, many of the people that this happens to develop symptoms of PTSD after the operations. But, as horrific as all of this sounds, it has launched fascinating research into the bigger question -- What *is* consciousness, and how do we tell whether it's present or not present? Fascinating read. Edg will probably love it. Or hate it. Hard to tell with him. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness?
http://is-masaru-emoto-for-real.com/ -- deconstructs Emoto's stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: Speaking of water, here is an example of how water crystals can be affected by different things from Masaru Emoto. Â Music, like Bach also has an effect. Â Link attached in case photos don't come through. Â http://www.unitedearth.com.au/watercrystals.html Polluted water from the Fujiwara Dam, Japan Dam water after a Buddhist Prayer is offered. From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness? Â Way too long to read for me, cuz, I'm not interested in how all the descriptions of the clockworks are evolving. Seems to me they will still be just scratching the surface for a long time to come. As long as they are concerned with perception and memory, they're not getting close to defining the self. These days, I'm thinking the human ape can become subtle enough to pick up on ANYTHING, but how that might be possible is a wide open conversation. I'm pretty much thinking that the mechanics of mind are going to be found to be one huge quantum entangled whole -- a true scientific possibility that seems to give us a basis for the phenomenon of omniscience. I'm here, I'm everywhere. Like that. Meanwhile, the liquid crystal water studies about which I've posted herein, have me leaning into pure being as a yet-still-merely-physicality-afoot -- as a buzz that is heard when the exclusion zones around the sensing neurons become pure enough. If so, then consciousness becomes a mess of back and forthings between brain parts..and the witness of all that is still unapproachable via instrumentality. I don't see a definition for consciousness that is valuable to us unless it realizes the process as ALWAYS holistic and not a strictly individualized event. Infinite self ref and all that butterfly on the other side of the world thingie. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: *Excellent* article on the nature of consciousness and whether it can be measured accurately in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/awakening/309188/?single_page=true The basis of this article is not What is consciousness per se, although it touches on that, but What is consciousness when a person is supposedly anesthetized, and undergoing an operation? I use the word supposedly above because there is a little-discussed phenomenon called intraoperative recall or anesthesia awareness. Imagine that you are having an operation, and you suddenly wake up on the table. You can hear the surgeons' voices, feel them cutting and sawing away inside you, but your eyes are taped closed and your body is paralyzed, so there is no way to communicate this to the doctors. Sadly, this is not the script of a horror movie, but something that happens to an estimated one out of every 1,000 surgery patients. Naturally, many of the people that this happens to develop symptoms of PTSD after the operations. But, as horrific as all of this sounds, it has launched fascinating research into the bigger question -- What *is* consciousness, and how do we tell whether it's present or not present? Fascinating read. Edg will probably love it. Or hate it. Hard to tell with him. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. Never heard that before. It was never part of the 3-day checking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I do not know if it still exists. Beautiful scenery, though the place was already a dump when I lived there in 1978, just after it was turned into a men's facility. There was one functional wing, and that was reserved for the Governors. I lived first in a vermin infested shack, through the snow, down by the lake, then later in a leaky and cold dorm room. We had electricity but no hot water, and for awhile there was no plumbing at all in the entire facility for flushing toilets (except in the functional wing) - awesome smell! The roofs leaked everywhere. There were big rats in the kitchen where all the course food was prepared. The office building was really shaky - three stories tall, and about a hundred years old at the time. I was on the printing crew, and sometimes had to manipulate a forklift with faulty brakes around the basement, careful not to knock any support beams out of place, and bring the building down on top of me. The benefits: Saw the Northern Lights many, many times, and deer also abounded on the property. I also did residence courses (4x4) every month, and rounded 2x2 the rest of the time, so it served its purpose for me. Yes, the rounding was good. If you can take the right perspective, which you seem to do, the whole thing was quite an adventure, even if not fair or the way any decent boss would operate things. I think later all the buildings were inspected and found dangerous for many reasons. I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: *Excellent* article on the nature of consciousness and whether it can be measured accurately in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/awakening/309188/?single_page=true The basis of this article is not What is consciousness per se, although it touches on that, but What is consciousness when a person is supposedly anesthetized, and undergoing an operation? The problem of awareness during anaesthesia from a medical website: http://www.medlit.info/member/malpracticenews/vol6iss1/notanest.htm I use the word supposedly above because there is a little-discussed phenomenon called intraoperative recall or anesthesia awareness. Imagine that you are having an operation, and you suddenly wake up on the table. You can hear the surgeons' voices, feel them cutting and sawing away inside you, but your eyes are taped closed and your body is paralyzed, so there is no way to communicate this to the doctors. Sadly, this is not the script of a horror movie, but something that happens to an estimated one out of every 1,000 surgery patients. Naturally, many of the people that this happens to develop symptoms of PTSD after the operations. But, as horrific as all of this sounds, it has launched fascinating research into the bigger question -- What *is* consciousness, and how do we tell whether it's present or not present? Fascinating read. Edg will probably love it. Or hate it. Hard to tell with him. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men love to lie?
Fascinating and really useful info in this article and comments. Thanks for posting. Supposedly when people lie, their brains light up more because lying requires more activity or energy than does telling the truth. This from a Numb3rs episode in which a hit man is hooked up for an fMRI to find out if he's lying or telling the truth. Because he thought he was telling the truth, though he wasn't, his brain did not light up. What I'd like to see is some fMRI experiments done comparing lying activity with negative intention with lying activity wherein a white lie is told or a lie is told with a positive intention. I like all this kind of brain research because when I understand that the person had no choice, it helps me be more compassionate. If they're harming others, yes stop them, but still feels better to have compassion too. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 4:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men love to lie? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: http://www.askmen.com/dating/heidi/21_dating_girl.html Lying for a living Is it a coincidence that men hold the majority of jobs that involve lying? Politics, government agencies, courtroom lawyers, plastic surgeons, psychiatrists -- who calls the shots? Not that all men lie, of course not. But from experience (and 99% of women will back me up on this), the only men who don't lie are those devoted to their religion, gay, or have had their tongue removed. Funny line, but according to science, the same is true of women. The average person (according to polls, surveys, and clinical tests) tells 4-6 lies per day. According to these same studies, while it is true that men lie more often than women, men are more likely to admit to doing it, while women more often will pretend that they never lie. Now let's turn the tables. Men lie often, but most times these are harmless lies that are said to protect their ego more than anything. Women have ulterior motives. According to science, women also tend to hold grudges not only more often than men, but longer, to the detri- ment of their health. One study conducted at the Medical College of Georgia found that holding grudges is signif- icantly associated with a history of heart attacks, high blood pressure, arthritis, back problems, headaches, chronic pain, and stomach ulcers. Another study asked subjects to tell personal stories about how they were betrayed in the past while monitoring their blood pressure and heart rates. The subjects who had held onto their grudges the longest had the highest levels of both. They also had the highest incidences of disease-induced visits to doctors. Here are some quotes from an interesting article on gender differences, written by a woman: Emotions are controlled in the cerebral cortex, which also helps explain why women generally feel and express emotion more readily, more visually and more verbally, than men. Physiologically, men cannot access their feelings and emotions as easily as women can. The difference in visible expression of emotion is one of the biggest trouble spots between men and women. A study conducted by a team of psychologists using brain scans discovered that women's brains are better organized to perceive and remember emotions. These findings support the 'myths' that women remember arguments longer, hold grudges, and are more susceptible to clinical depression, as dwelling on and reviewing memories is a risk factor in depression. Brain areas responsible for emotions, memory and tracking gut feelings are larger and more sensitive in women. Who knew? Biology explains women's intuition. Most emotions in men trigger rational thought, not so much gut sensation. Also pain areas in women's brains are visibly activated when they see or are told that other people are in pain. Men's brains do not respond the same way. I once heard a woman Buddhist teacher who was also a neuroscientist use similar findings to explain why, in her experience, women students were less willing to learn and practice mindfulness techniques that help them to avoid overreacting emotionally than men students. She had found in many years of teaching that many of the women were actually *averse* to learning such techniques, so strongly that they'd leave a sangha if such techniques were a required part of the study. This teacher's theory was that many of these women may in fact be biologically incapable of practicing such techniques because they are basically *run* by their emotions. They don't cling to past emotions and their overreactions to them out of choice but because they literally *have no choice*. Other scientists have suggested that this is one reason that women are almost twice as likely to develop PTSD after experiencing a traumatic event than men are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. Never heard that before. It was never part of the 3-day checking. I once asked Maharishi about a certain instruction that he apparently had given. I've seen Maharishi really angry a few times and this was one of them ! He demanded to know who had told us this and since noone wanted to quote anyone the poor fellow was saved from sitting on the first bus out of that place within an hour. It turned out that Maharishi had never given such instruction, it was only part of the larger body of rumours always floating around. Same with the drivers instruction above - just a rumour.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men love to lie?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Fascinating and really useful info in this article and comments. Thanks for posting. Supposedly when people lie, their brains light up more because lying requires more activity or energy than does telling the truth. Not only that, but their noses grow. Or at least they get warmer. No shit. There really *is* a Pinocchio Effect: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/pinocchio-effect-lying-nose-heat-thermography_n_2237410.html?utm_hp_ref=health-newsir=Health%20News
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using to dump them under the Buddhist label.) No Religion 1.1 billion (The growth of a post-theistic poplulation is an interesting feature of our modern times.) Remember, there was a time when the Church rules and everybody believed in God. This was called the Dark Ages. Some sects of Buddhism still produce enlightened beings, although, as with Hinduism (which includes TM), the number of successes in this seem rather low. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I was reading recently some expressions of each of the Yugas, and what is lost as we progress into a wholly material consciousness, here in Kali Yuga. Maharishi's strategy was to always go for the highest, first, and his techniques begin to reverse the trend of time in each of us, as he so delicately put it, by returning to us the abilities, like celestial sight, lost with the Mother's progression of time. In terms of Cosmic Law, MMY turned out to be an exceptional Cosmic Lawyer! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: snip This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say. She is not a cyberstalker, and the only reason the thread got started is because you jumped on her and badmouthed *her* for her informational post without knowing Thing One about the situation and proclaiming a number of things about it that weren't true. In the process, of course, revealing your gross hypocrisy and then lying about it. Fortunately you didn't get away with it, but your antics attracted enough attention that a thread about Knapp ensued--and now you're attempting to blame her for the thread you started. She'd have left after that single post if you had left her alone. But then you'd have had nothing to make a big fuss about, would you? There is apparently no limit to how low you'll go, Barry, to make yourself feel Important and Superior.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using to dump them under the Buddhist label.) No Religion 1.1 billion (The growth of a post-theistic poplulation is an interesting feature of our modern times.) Remember, there was a time when the Church rules and everybody believed in God. This was called the Dark Ages. Some sects of Buddhism still produce enlightened beings, although, as with Hinduism (which includes TM), the number of successes in this seem rather low. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Fe-ic!:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say. She is not a cyberstalker, and the only reason the thread got started is because you jumped on her and badmouthed *her* for her informational post without knowing Thing One about the situation and proclaiming a number of things about it that weren't true. In the process, of course, revealing your gross hypocrisy and then lying about it. Fortunately you didn't get away with it, but your antics attracted enough attention that a thread about Knapp ensued--and now you're attempting to blame her for the thread you started. She'd have left after that single post if you had left her alone. But then you'd have had nothing to make a big fuss about, would you? There is apparently no limit to how low you'll go, Barry, to make yourself feel Important and Superior.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness?
Damn it! I first saw his pictures and postures in a book in the chiropractor's office. Pseudoscience? Is there anything that can't be debunked? What are we left with? Is it all speculation - in terms of the spiritual effect of whatever on whatever? At least his photos of water crystals are nice - some of them anyway. We are left with what is, as we *individually* experience it, and what we *individually* choose to believe based on our experiences. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness? http://is-masaru-emoto-for-real.com/ -- deconstructs Emoto's stuff. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: Speaking of water, here is an example of how water crystals can be affected by different things from Masaru Emoto. Â Music, like Bach also has an effect. Â Link attached in case photos don't come through. Â http://www.unitedearth.com.au/watercrystals.html Polluted water from the Fujiwara Dam, Japan Dam water after a Buddhist Prayer is offered. From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness? Â Way too long to read for me, cuz, I'm not interested in how all the descriptions of the clockworks are evolving. Seems to me they will still be just scratching the surface for a long time to come. As long as they are concerned with perception and memory, they're not getting close to defining the self. These days, I'm thinking the human ape can become subtle enough to pick up on ANYTHING, but how that might be possible is a wide open conversation. I'm pretty much thinking that the mechanics of mind are going to be found to be one huge quantum entangled whole -- a true scientific possibility that seems to give us a basis for the phenomenon of omniscience. I'm here, I'm everywhere. Like that. Meanwhile, the liquid crystal water studies about which I've posted herein, have me leaning into pure being as a yet-still-merely-physicality-afoot -- as a buzz that is heard when the exclusion zones around the sensing neurons become pure enough. If so, then consciousness becomes a mess of back and forthings between brain parts..and the witness of all that is still unapproachable via instrumentality. I don't see a definition for consciousness that is valuable to us unless it realizes the process as ALWAYS holistic and not a strictly individualized event. Infinite self ref and all that butterfly on the other side of the world thingie. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: *Excellent* article on the nature of consciousness and whether it can be measured accurately in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/awakening/309188/?single_page=true The basis of this article is not What is consciousness per se, although it touches on that, but What is consciousness when a person is supposedly anesthetized, and undergoing an operation? I use the word supposedly above because there is a little-discussed phenomenon called intraoperative recall or anesthesia awareness. Imagine that you are having an operation, and you suddenly wake up on the table. You can hear the surgeons' voices, feel them cutting and sawing away inside you, but your eyes are taped closed and your body is paralyzed, so there is no way to communicate this to the doctors. Sadly, this is not the script of a horror movie, but something that happens to an estimated one out of every 1,000 surgery patients. Naturally, many of the people that this happens to develop symptoms of PTSD after the operations. But, as horrific as all of this sounds, it has launched fascinating research into the bigger question -- What *is* consciousness, and how do we tell whether it's present or not present? Fascinating read. Edg will probably love it. Or hate it. Hard to tell with him. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers
Contrary to popular belief, IMO it's not about vengeance, or retribution, or any of the other equally petty motivations often attributed to chronic cyberstalkers. In my opinion, it's about attention. In almost all cases of cyberstalking, if you go back far enough, what you find is a case of someone who has glommed onto another human being, and the high they get from interacting with them, one-on-one. It really doesn't *matter* what the nature of the relationship was, or whether there was any real high there or whether the future cyberstalker imagined it -- they *got off* on the interaction, so it was real to them. And then the other person cut them off at the pump. They dumped them. The dumpee, of course, feels insulted at being publicly dumped, but that IMO is not the real motivating factor. It's the having been cut off at the pump thang that matters. For most normal human beings, what you do after having been dumped is MOVE ON, and don't dwell on it any longer than is necessary. For the cyberstalker, this is almost biologically impossible, because they have become so habituated to the object of their obsession's attention that they feel somehow deprived without it. So the QUEST, for the cyberstalker mentality, becomes How To Re-establish The Connection: How do I get this person to respond to me again? The various tactics used by cyberstalker vary -- harassment, insults, flattery, escalating to begging, pleading, and near-libelous accusations -- but the intent is always the same: Talk to me again. Interact with me again. Give me an opportunity to lure you into yet another direct confrontation, the end product of which will be to establish to unseen lurkers that I have bested you. Stupid stalkees fall for this shit. Experienced stalkees rarely do. That's all. This was Just Another Turq Rap, posted over coffee at my New Favorite Cafe. It's just thrown out onto the Internet like spaghetti thrown against the refrigerator, to see whether it sticks. No one need reply to it, unless they feel that my rap describes them personally, and they're so affronted by that description that they feel they just *have* to respond.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I prefer the woods and wilderness. Especially high bald mountains. To me there is no more celestial place. As far as mystical feelings or connections (or whatever someone called it)with a group of others...the same happens with a good trip on psychedelics...or group experiences where folks are high on a belief. In The Way some of us called it the chewy, caramel center of God's heart...and we believed it could be found nowhere else on earth because we had the truth. This type experience is something I've wondered about and I've wondered that if a brain study could be done, would the study show similarities in these situations and if the same part of the brain is affected. Or maybe the experience goes deeper than brain function and we don't have the medical equipment yet to detect certain responses. I don't think it's supernatural...anymore than my eyesight or any other senses are supernatural. Yet, every sense (however many we really have) are all miraculous. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I've experienced this too doc...in certain buildings and places. If only the walls could talk. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using to dump them under the Buddhist label.) No Religion 1.1 billion (The growth of a post-theistic poplulation is an interesting feature of our modern times.) Remember, there was a time when the Church rules and everybody believed in God. This was called the Dark Ages. Some sects of Buddhism still produce enlightened beings, although, as with Hinduism (which includes TM), the number of successes in this seem rather low. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. I have heard of others seeing huge angelic beings, like guardians, near TM facilities. One person reported seeing a massive Hanuman (moneky) on the roof of a builidng in Heavenly Mountain years ago. A few non TM visitors who were looking at real estate mentioned it too!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I do not know if it still exists. Beautiful scenery, though the place was already a dump when I lived there in 1978, just after it was turned into a men's facility. There was one functional wing, and that was reserved for the Governors. I lived first in a vermin infested shack, through the snow, down by the lake, then later in a leaky and cold dorm room. We had electricity but no hot water, and for awhile there was no plumbing at all in the entire facility for flushing toilets (except in the functional wing) - awesome smell! The roofs leaked everywhere. There were big rats in the kitchen where all the course food was prepared. The office building was really shaky - three stories tall, and about a hundred years old at the time. I was on the printing crew, and sometimes had to manipulate a forklift with faulty brakes around the basement, careful not to knock any support beams out of place, and bring the building down on top of me. The benefits: Saw the Northern Lights many, many times, and deer also abounded on the property. I also did residence courses (4x4) every month, and rounded 2x2 the rest of the time, so it served its purpose for me. Yes, the rounding was good. If you can take the right perspective, which you seem to do, the whole thing was quite an adventure, even if not fair or the way any decent boss would operate things. I think later all the buildings were inspected and found dangerous for many reasons. I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. Never heard that before. It was never part of the 3-day checking. I once asked Maharishi about a certain instruction that he apparently had given. I've seen Maharishi really angry a few times and this was one of them ! He demanded to know who had told us this and since noone wanted to quote anyone the poor fellow was saved from sitting on the first bus out of that place within an hour. It turned out that Maharishi had never given such instruction, it was only part of the larger body of rumours always floating around. Same with the drivers instruction above - just a rumour. I will go with your knowledge that there was no such official instruction about driving while someone meditates in the car.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness?
snip I don't see a definition for consciousness that is valuable to us unless it realizes the process as ALWAYS holistic and not a strictly individualized event. Infinite self ref and all that butterfly on the other side of the world thingie. Yes, conceptually, that works and I don't disagree. But, still, I maintain that whatever state one is in, one still only experiences it as an individual, because that is the curse of being born human with a body. So, therefore, consciousness as a holistic concept is easy to understand (and I do believe in a larger consciousness/energy/God/nature/universe/spirit/oneness), whether one experiences it as oneness or as duality depends entirely on the individual and what means he/she has chosen to relate to the world, as an individual. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness? Way too long to read for me, cuz, I'm not interested in how all the descriptions of the clockworks are evolving. Seems to me they will still be just scratching the surface for a long time to come. As long as they are concerned with perception and memory, they're not getting close to defining the self. These days, I'm thinking the human ape can become subtle enough to pick up on ANYTHING, but how that might be possible is a wide open conversation. I'm pretty much thinking that the mechanics of mind are going to be found to be one huge quantum entangled whole -- a true scientific possibility that seems to give us a basis for the phenomenon of omniscience. I'm here, I'm everywhere. Like that. Meanwhile, the liquid crystal water studies about which I've posted herein, have me leaning into pure being as a yet-still-merely-physicality-afoot -- as a buzz that is heard when the exclusion zones around the sensing neurons become pure enough. If so, then consciousness becomes a mess of back and forthings between brain parts..and the witness of all that is still unapproachable via instrumentality. I don't see a definition for consciousness that is valuable to us unless it realizes the process as ALWAYS holistic and not a strictly individualized event. Infinite self ref and all that butterfly on the other side of the world thingie. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: *Excellent* article on the nature of consciousness and whether it can be measured accurately in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/awakening/309188/?single_page=true The basis of this article is not What is consciousness per se, although it touches on that, but What is consciousness when a person is supposedly anesthetized, and undergoing an operation? I use the word supposedly above because there is a little-discussed phenomenon called intraoperative recall or anesthesia awareness. Imagine that you are having an operation, and you suddenly wake up on the table. You can hear the surgeons' voices, feel them cutting and sawing away inside you, but your eyes are taped closed and your body is paralyzed, so there is no way to communicate this to the doctors. Sadly, this is not the script of a horror movie, but something that happens to an estimated one out of every 1,000 surgery patients. Naturally, many of the people that this happens to develop symptoms of PTSD after the operations. But, as horrific as all of this sounds, it has launched fascinating research into the bigger question -- What *is* consciousness, and how do we tell whether it's present or not present? Fascinating read. Edg will probably love it. Or hate it. Hard to tell with him. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. I have three times become sick to my stomach when in certain rooms in old buildings - a feeling of panic and nausea and I have to leave. The reasons I seem to think of have to do with old energies there that are not good for me. On the other hand, I too love old buildings, and live in a 100 year old house that I love. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using to dump them under the Buddhist label.) No Religion 1.1 billion (The growth of a post-theistic poplulation is an interesting feature of our modern times.) Remember, there was a time when the Church rules and everybody believed in God. This was called the Dark Ages. Some sects of Buddhism still produce enlightened beings, although, as with Hinduism (which includes TM), the number of successes in this seem rather low. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased,
[FairfieldLife] Thread Ended
Why not end the Knapp thread. And then see what happens? Why not drop the subject entirely until the commission reports its findings?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thread Ended
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Why not end the Knapp thread. And then see what happens? Why not drop the subject entirely until the commission reports its findings? Who could possibly object to this? And what might be their motivations for doing so?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Thread Ended
Do you mean rename it? As always, the conversation has evolved to different tangents on that same thread. This almost always happens, I have noted. Carol's information is out there - which was pretty balanced really, and includes a lot of his own words. At this point, I find her pretty detached from the whole thing, in that she acknowledges her own role, her own thought process, and her own conclusions. She's just following through on the process, which has landed at the commission. I weighed in pretty judgmentally on the guy, which I feel badly about, as I was breaking my own rules in assigning him to labels he may or may not deserve, depending on his mental status. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Thread Ended Why not end the Knapp thread. And then see what happens? Why not drop the subject entirely until the commission reports its findings?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say. She is not a cyberstalker, and the only reason the thread got started is because you jumped on her and badmouthed *her* for her informational post without knowing Thing One about the situation and proclaiming a number of things about it that weren't true. In the process, of course, revealing your gross hypocrisy and then lying about it. Fortunately you didn't get away with it, but your antics attracted enough attention that a thread about Knapp ensued--and now you're attempting to blame her for the thread you started. She'd have left after that single post if you had left her alone. But then you'd have had nothing to make a big fuss about, would you? There is apparently no limit to how low you'll go, Barry, to make yourself feel Important and Superior.
Re: [FairfieldLife] House is a decent boogie woogie player...
What a blast...thanks. From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 6:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] House is a decent boogie woogie player... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-qv87vXQzo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thread Ended
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Why not end the Knapp thread. And then see what happens? Why not drop the subject entirely until the commission reports its findings? The only person who's prolonging it now is Barry. It ceased to be about Knapp awhile back. Carol has gone on to other topics. Be a good idea to read the traffic, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thread Ended
I was going to say pat of what Emily stated...that it pretty much has ended. The topic has changed but the title of the thread remains and keeps coming up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: Do you mean rename it?  As always, the conversation has evolved to different tangents on that same thread.  This almost always happens, I have noted.  Carol's information is out there - which was pretty balanced really, and includes a lot of his own words.  At this point, I find her pretty detached from the whole thing, in that she acknowledges her own role, her own thought process, and her own conclusions.  She's just following through on the process, which has landed at the commission.  I weighed in pretty judgmentally on the guy, which I feel badly about, as I was breaking my own rules in assigning him to labels he may or may not deserve, depending on his mental status.  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Thread Ended  Why not end the Knapp thread. And then see what happens? Why not drop the subject entirely until the commission reports its findings?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Damn - so smart Alex - even if you are wrong. So glad you are the moderator. I promise never to vote for Buck to replace you. From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers
Since I'm obviously one of the people Barry is libeling with the term cyberstalker, I'll contribute my interpretation of what Barry describes: Starting way back when, person A harasses and picks fights with person B. Person B repeatedly makes mincemeat of him. After many years, person A, to save some shreds of self- respect, decides to stop directly harassing person B. Person B is happy with this, because she doesn't get any backtalk when she points out his bad behavior (which has by no means been limited to his attacks on her). Person A is unable to tolerate being called out on his bad behavior so relentlessly and accurately. So he attacks person B indirectly in post after post. Of course each time he does this, person B makes mincemeat of him again, and he can't do anything about it because he can't be seen to be engaging with person B. Person B, again, finds this situation deeply satisfying. Person A develops various strategems to make him seem to himself in his own eyes to have dumped person B, but, sadly, nobody else is fooled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Contrary to popular belief, IMO it's not about vengeance, or retribution, or any of the other equally petty motivations often attributed to chronic cyberstalkers. In my opinion, it's about attention. In almost all cases of cyberstalking, if you go back far enough, what you find is a case of someone who has glommed onto another human being, and the high they get from interacting with them, one-on-one. It really doesn't *matter* what the nature of the relationship was, or whether there was any real high there or whether the future cyberstalker imagined it -- they *got off* on the interaction, so it was real to them. And then the other person cut them off at the pump. They dumped them. The dumpee, of course, feels insulted at being publicly dumped, but that IMO is not the real motivating factor. It's the having been cut off at the pump thang that matters. For most normal human beings, what you do after having been dumped is MOVE ON, and don't dwell on it any longer than is necessary. For the cyberstalker, this is almost biologically impossible, because they have become so habituated to the object of their obsession's attention that they feel somehow deprived without it. So the QUEST, for the cyberstalker mentality, becomes How To Re-establish The Connection: How do I get this person to respond to me again? The various tactics used by cyberstalker vary -- harassment, insults, flattery, escalating to begging, pleading, and near-libelous accusations -- but the intent is always the same: Talk to me again. Interact with me again. Give me an opportunity to lure you into yet another direct confrontation, the end product of which will be to establish to unseen lurkers that I have bested you. Stupid stalkees fall for this shit. Experienced stalkees rarely do. That's all. This was Just Another Turq Rap, posted over coffee at my New Favorite Cafe. It's just thrown out onto the Internet like spaghetti thrown against the refrigerator, to see whether it sticks. No one need reply to it, unless they feel that my rap describes them personally, and they're so affronted by that description that they feel they just *have* to respond.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) Like the small fellas who seem to be having a great time moving things around in my flat, which was built in 1894. It sometimes drives me nuts, and the more my Pitta goes bananas the more they seem to be having fun :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers
I thank Judy for her reply. You really can't GET a more accurate picture of how the cyberstalker sees reality than this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Since I'm obviously one of the people Barry is libeling with the term cyberstalker, I'll contribute my interpretation of what Barry describes: Starting way back when, person A harasses and picks fights with person B. Person B repeatedly makes mincemeat of him. After many years, person A, to save some shreds of self- respect, decides to stop directly harassing person B. Person B is happy with this, because she doesn't get any backtalk when she points out his bad behavior (which has by no means been limited to his attacks on her). Person A is unable to tolerate being called out on his bad behavior so relentlessly and accurately. So he attacks person B indirectly in post after post. Of course each time he does this, person B makes mincemeat of him again, and he can't do anything about it because he can't be seen to be engaging with person B. Person B, again, finds this situation deeply satisfying. Person A develops various strategems to make him seem to himself in his own eyes to have dumped person B, but, sadly, nobody else is fooled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Contrary to popular belief, IMO it's not about vengeance, or retribution, or any of the other equally petty motivations often attributed to chronic cyberstalkers. In my opinion, it's about attention. In almost all cases of cyberstalking, if you go back far enough, what you find is a case of someone who has glommed onto another human being, and the high they get from interacting with them, one-on-one. It really doesn't *matter* what the nature of the relationship was, or whether there was any real high there or whether the future cyberstalker imagined it -- they *got off* on the interaction, so it was real to them. And then the other person cut them off at the pump. They dumped them. The dumpee, of course, feels insulted at being publicly dumped, but that IMO is not the real motivating factor. It's the having been cut off at the pump thang that matters. For most normal human beings, what you do after having been dumped is MOVE ON, and don't dwell on it any longer than is necessary. For the cyberstalker, this is almost biologically impossible, because they have become so habituated to the object of their obsession's attention that they feel somehow deprived without it. So the QUEST, for the cyberstalker mentality, becomes How To Re-establish The Connection: How do I get this person to respond to me again? The various tactics used by cyberstalker vary -- harassment, insults, flattery, escalating to begging, pleading, and near-libelous accusations -- but the intent is always the same: Talk to me again. Interact with me again. Give me an opportunity to lure you into yet another direct confrontation, the end product of which will be to establish to unseen lurkers that I have bested you. Stupid stalkees fall for this shit. Experienced stalkees rarely do. That's all. This was Just Another Turq Rap, posted over coffee at my New Favorite Cafe. It's just thrown out onto the Internet like spaghetti thrown against the refrigerator, to see whether it sticks. No one need reply to it, unless they feel that my rap describes them personally, and they're so affronted by that description that they feel they just *have* to respond.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers
Barry why are you hung up on cyberstalking? I've only run into a few people online who consistently called cyberstalker and/or are/were paranoid about cyberstalking. Of those, I think only one had a real cyberstalker; the others shouting about it were simply paranoid and had delusions that they or others were being stalked. But, since you have apparently decided to not communicate with me, I don't expect an answer...but I'm still curious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I thank Judy for her reply. You really can't GET a more accurate picture of how the cyberstalker sees reality than this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Since I'm obviously one of the people Barry is libeling with the term cyberstalker, I'll contribute my interpretation of what Barry describes: Starting way back when, person A harasses and picks fights with person B. Person B repeatedly makes mincemeat of him. After many years, person A, to save some shreds of self- respect, decides to stop directly harassing person B. Person B is happy with this, because she doesn't get any backtalk when she points out his bad behavior (which has by no means been limited to his attacks on her). Person A is unable to tolerate being called out on his bad behavior so relentlessly and accurately. So he attacks person B indirectly in post after post. Of course each time he does this, person B makes mincemeat of him again, and he can't do anything about it because he can't be seen to be engaging with person B. Person B, again, finds this situation deeply satisfying. Person A develops various strategems to make him seem to himself in his own eyes to have dumped person B, but, sadly, nobody else is fooled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Contrary to popular belief, IMO it's not about vengeance, or retribution, or any of the other equally petty motivations often attributed to chronic cyberstalkers. In my opinion, it's about attention. In almost all cases of cyberstalking, if you go back far enough, what you find is a case of someone who has glommed onto another human being, and the high they get from interacting with them, one-on-one. It really doesn't *matter* what the nature of the relationship was, or whether there was any real high there or whether the future cyberstalker imagined it -- they *got off* on the interaction, so it was real to them. And then the other person cut them off at the pump. They dumped them. The dumpee, of course, feels insulted at being publicly dumped, but that IMO is not the real motivating factor. It's the having been cut off at the pump thang that matters. For most normal human beings, what you do after having been dumped is MOVE ON, and don't dwell on it any longer than is necessary. For the cyberstalker, this is almost biologically impossible, because they have become so habituated to the object of their obsession's attention that they feel somehow deprived without it. So the QUEST, for the cyberstalker mentality, becomes How To Re-establish The Connection: How do I get this person to respond to me again? The various tactics used by cyberstalker vary -- harassment, insults, flattery, escalating to begging, pleading, and near-libelous accusations -- but the intent is always the same: Talk to me again. Interact with me again. Give me an opportunity to lure you into yet another direct confrontation, the end product of which will be to establish to unseen lurkers that I have bested you. Stupid stalkees fall for this shit. Experienced stalkees rarely do. That's all. This was Just Another Turq Rap, posted over coffee at my New Favorite Cafe. It's just thrown out onto the Internet like spaghetti thrown against the refrigerator, to see whether it sticks. No one need reply to it, unless they feel that my rap describes them personally, and they're so affronted by that description that they feel they just *have* to respond.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Barry why are you hung up on cyberstalking? I've only run into a few people online who consistently called cyberstalker and/or are/were paranoid about cyberstalking. Of those, I think only one had a real cyberstalker; the others shouting about it were simply paranoid and had delusions that they or others were being stalked. That's Barry. One of his most persistent delusions has been that I have followed him through many different electronic forums. In fact, there have been only two forums I joined after he did--alt.meditation.transcendental, where I encountered him for the first time; and FFL, to which he expressly *invited* me and other participants in alt.meditation.transcendental. All the other forums we've both been on, I was there first; he followed *me*. But when you are convinced the world revolves around you, as Barry is, you tend to see things differently from what they actually are. But, since you have apparently decided to not communicate with me, I don't expect an answer...but I'm still curious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I thank Judy for her reply. You really can't GET a more accurate picture of how the cyberstalker sees reality than this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Since I'm obviously one of the people Barry is libeling with the term cyberstalker, I'll contribute my interpretation of what Barry describes: Starting way back when, person A harasses and picks fights with person B. Person B repeatedly makes mincemeat of him. After many years, person A, to save some shreds of self- respect, decides to stop directly harassing person B. Person B is happy with this, because she doesn't get any backtalk when she points out his bad behavior (which has by no means been limited to his attacks on her). Person A is unable to tolerate being called out on his bad behavior so relentlessly and accurately. So he attacks person B indirectly in post after post. Of course each time he does this, person B makes mincemeat of him again, and he can't do anything about it because he can't be seen to be engaging with person B. Person B, again, finds this situation deeply satisfying. Person A develops various strategems to make him seem to himself in his own eyes to have dumped person B, but, sadly, nobody else is fooled. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Contrary to popular belief, IMO it's not about vengeance, or retribution, or any of the other equally petty motivations often attributed to chronic cyberstalkers. In my opinion, it's about attention. In almost all cases of cyberstalking, if you go back far enough, what you find is a case of someone who has glommed onto another human being, and the high they get from interacting with them, one-on-one. It really doesn't *matter* what the nature of the relationship was, or whether there was any real high there or whether the future cyberstalker imagined it -- they *got off* on the interaction, so it was real to them. And then the other person cut them off at the pump. They dumped them. The dumpee, of course, feels insulted at being publicly dumped, but that IMO is not the real motivating factor. It's the having been cut off at the pump thang that matters. For most normal human beings, what you do after having been dumped is MOVE ON, and don't dwell on it any longer than is necessary. For the cyberstalker, this is almost biologically impossible, because they have become so habituated to the object of their obsession's attention that they feel somehow deprived without it. So the QUEST, for the cyberstalker mentality, becomes How To Re-establish The Connection: How do I get this person to respond to me again? The various tactics used by cyberstalker vary -- harassment, insults, flattery, escalating to begging, pleading, and near-libelous accusations -- but the intent is always the same: Talk to me again. Interact with me again. Give me an opportunity to lure you into yet another direct confrontation, the end product of which will be to establish to unseen lurkers that I have bested you. Stupid stalkees fall for this shit. Experienced stalkees rarely do. That's all. This was Just Another Turq Rap, posted over coffee at my New Favorite Cafe. It's just thrown out onto the Internet like spaghetti thrown against the refrigerator, to see whether it sticks. No one need reply to it, unless they feel that my rap describes them personally, and they're so affronted by that description that they feel they just *have* to respond.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 05 00:00:00 2013 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 12 00:00:00 2013 196 messages as of (UTC) Mon Jan 07 00:11:54 2013 28 Carol jchwe...@gmail.com 18 doctordumb...@rocketmail.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERROR. 16 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 15 authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com 14 Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 12 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 12 Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 11 Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com 7 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 7 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 7 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 5 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 5 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 5 Susan waybac...@yahoo.com 4 feste37 fest...@yahoo.com 4 card cardemais...@yahoo.com 4 Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com 3 seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com 3 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com 2 wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com 1 salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com 1 obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 merlin vedamer...@yahoo.de 1 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 1 azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 1 martin.quickman martin.quick...@yahoo.co.uk Posters: 30 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq's Occult Theory Of What Motivates Cyberstalkers
Why do you insist on standing on one side of a wall, describing it in great detail, and taking so much time, just to point out the other side of a wall? Seems like you really *like* the wall there, B. If it wasn't there, you would have nothing to defend yourself against so strenuously. All you need to do, IMO, is turn around, 180 degrees from the wall, and face *your* world. Unless there is nothing there, except more walls.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Contrary to popular belief, IMO it's not about vengeance, or retribution, or any of the other equally petty motivations often attributed to chronic cyberstalkers. In my opinion, it's about attention. In almost all cases of cyberstalking, if you go back far enough, what you find is a case of someone who has glommed onto another human being, and the high they get from interacting with them, one-on-one. It really doesn't *matter* what the nature of the relationship was, or whether there was any real high there or whether the future cyberstalker imagined it -- they *got off* on the interaction, so it was real to them. And then the other person cut them off at the pump. They dumped them. The dumpee, of course, feels insulted at being publicly dumped, but that IMO is not the real motivating factor. It's the having been cut off at the pump thang that matters. For most normal human beings, what you do after having been dumped is MOVE ON, and don't dwell on it any longer than is necessary. For the cyberstalker, this is almost biologically impossible, because they have become so habituated to the object of their obsession's attention that they feel somehow deprived without it. So the QUEST, for the cyberstalker mentality, becomes How To Re-establish The Connection: How do I get this person to respond to me again? The various tactics used by cyberstalker vary -- harassment, insults, flattery, escalating to begging, pleading, and near-libelous accusations -- but the intent is always the same: Talk to me again. Interact with me again. Give me an opportunity to lure you into yet another direct confrontation, the end product of which will be to establish to unseen lurkers that I have bested you. Stupid stalkees fall for this shit. Experienced stalkees rarely do. That's all. This was Just Another Turq Rap, posted over coffee at my New Favorite Cafe. It's just thrown out onto the Internet like spaghetti thrown against the refrigerator, to see whether it sticks. No one need reply to it, unless they feel that my rap describes them personally, and they're so affronted by that description that they feel they just *have* to respond.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is consciousness...and unconsciousness?
In August of this year, I had dual nerve transposition surgeries for carpel tunnel compression (at the wrist) and cubital tunnel compression (at the elbow) in the hospital where I work. I hadn't had a surgery since I had my tonsils taken out at 3-4 years old so it was all somewhat new to me. They gave me the drug Versed while they prepped me (it was a pleasant sedative) and then wheeled me into the operating room and over to the operating table. I moved onto the table and then onto the headrest. After I did so, the surgery nurse said that's good and then looked up at someone behind me. At that point, I opened my eyes. (I didn't realize that they were closed.) I was now in the recovery room. It took me only a moment to determine where I was - only this time I was the one in the bed looking out. That was it no transition, no bardo state, no dreaming, no alert awareness while under anesthesia. My only clue was that my arm was now wrapped up in bandages and numb - like a block of wood. This non-transition anesthesia state was interesting to me since, I once had a teacher in a philosophy course who concluded on the same basis that nothing survives death - i.e. there is no consciousness/awareness that is present after death. At the time I considered his conclusion illogical but now, with the same kind of experience, I understood his thought better. However, my experience and conclusion led me to feel the opposite that a period of drug-induced unconsciousness had caused him to wrongly develop an irrational belief about consciousness based solely upon his sense-powers being incapacitated. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: *Excellent* article on the nature of consciousness and whether it can be measured accurately in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/awakening/309188/?si\ ngle_page=true The basis of this article is not What is consciousness per se, although it touches on that, but What is consciousness when a person is supposedly anesthetized, and undergoing an operation? The problem of awareness during anaesthesia from a medical website: http://www.medlit.info/member/malpracticenews/vol6iss1/notanest.htm I use the word supposedly above because there is a little-discussed phenomenon called intraoperative recall or anesthesia awareness. Imagine that you are having an operation, and you suddenly wake up on the table. You can hear the surgeons' voices, feel them cutting and sawing away inside you, but your eyes are taped closed and your body is paralyzed, so there is no way to communicate this to the doctors. Sadly, this is not the script of a horror movie, but something that happens to an estimated one out of every 1,000 surgery patients. Naturally, many of the people that this happens to develop symptoms of PTSD after the operations. But, as horrific as all of this sounds, it has launched fascinating research into the bigger question -- What *is* consciousness, and how do we tell whether it's present or not present? Fascinating read. Edg will probably love it. Or hate it. Hard to tell with him. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Xeno, I few years ago I was a subject in an experiment involving vastu buildings. I was blind folded and taken randomly to either a vastu or non vastu building. I was then asked which it was, blind fold still in place. I think there were 6 or 8 buildings. Usually with the vastu buildings I could tell that it was vastu even as we approached the property, even before we entered the gate and or front door. I simply felt more light and energized as the car approached such buildings. In the end, I guessed all correctly, both vastu and non. There is definitely something to it in my experience. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using to dump them under the Buddhist label.) No Religion 1.1 billion (The growth of a post-theistic poplulation is an interesting feature of our modern times.) Remember, there was a time when the Church rules and everybody believed in God. This was called the Dark Ages. Some sects of Buddhism still produce enlightened beings, although, as with Hinduism (which includes TM), the number of successes in this seem rather low. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2
Sure. Name the time and place and I'll be there. With bells on (-: From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 8:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Portlandia season 3 tonight to judy PS Carol B2 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dear Carol, You kinda bust on here. Do you meditate? Are you a meditator? Just wondering, -Buck God Buck, don't be so lazy. Read her posts. What, did you just spend two days in a soybean field? Give him a break, Ann. His exploits with me in the stable over Christmas took a lot out of him, and he hasn't quite recovered yet. That is funny. Who did you pick-up? I'm sure you wore him out. But, I don't got a stable. I determined a long time ago I was not going to spend my precious time on this planet shoveling out stalls. Stables are mostly a waste of money, life and generally dement good horses. Dang, I would have bought you a coffee had I known you were in town. And of course coffee on me for anybody else on FFL who comes to visit FF. But ask Judy about getting hooked up in FF. -Buck in the Dome I would have done more than that. If authfriend were to visit Fairfield, I would take her and Share out to dinner. I'm serious. I think she should come in the spring.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony Smart man. I didn't get it either until you just pointed it out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony Smart man. I didn't get it either until you just pointed it out. Nor did I. I refer to the version of it that afflicts Barry as inadvertent Fe-y, but that's giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I suspect he doesn't deserve. I think he knows when he's being hypocritical and simply hopes nobody else will notice. The real Fe-y is that it's so painfully obvious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Typology
Om, a non-practitioner both a TM and a TMorg apostate. A quitter. No longer a practitioner both a TM and a TMorg apostate. The non-meditator quitter. The Fallen Away: Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied. Long have ye sat beneath the sound of thy salvation loud, And still how weak thy faith is found And knowledge of thy Self. How cold and feeble is thy love! How negligent thy fears! How long thy hope of joys abound, How few affections here. Show thy forgetful feet the way That lead to joys on high, Where knowledge grows with out decay And love shall never die. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I was inspired by a story I read years ago about the world's shortest written conversation, and I think it was between Proust and his publisher. Proust sent a telegram to his publisher, inquiring about the success of a book, consisting of the single character, ?. The publisher then replied, !. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony Smart man. I didn't get it either until you just pointed it out. Nor did I. I refer to the version of it that afflicts Barry as inadvertent Fe-y, but that's giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I suspect he doesn't deserve. I think he knows when he's being hypocritical and simply hopes nobody else will notice. The real Fe-y is that it's so painfully obvious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Definitely something to all of that. Your house has probably soaked up a lot of meditation 'vibes', which create such a soft atmosphere. I recall about seven years after my wife and I moved in here, a little 4 year old boy from next door came wandering into our dining room one day, and proclaimed, It is really peaceful in here!. Could've been because he was away from his two older sisters, but I prefer to think he just liked it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. I have three times become sick to my stomach when in certain rooms in old buildings - a feeling of panic and nausea and I have to leave. The reasons I seem to think of have to do with old energies there that are not good for me. On the other hand, I too love old buildings, and live in a 100 year old house that I love. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using
