[FairfieldLife] Re: Who cares about the Oscars?
I never cared about the Oscars either. It always looked to me like a bunch of rich people patting themselves on the back for how awesome they are. Maybe i'm just looking at it in a negative way? I just never cared for watching festivities among the narcissist hollywood crowd. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Believe it or not being a film buff I really don't care about awards shows so won't bother with the Oscars and haven't in a long time. Actually the favored best picture, Argo, I have seen. It was probably one of the last movies I've gone out to see. BTW, some of the movies nominated will be available this coming month to rent. This week I see The Master is available for rent. Hollywood doesn't care much about art anymore just money. And they aren't even good at the latter these days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: he became a legend because a lot of people like sick twisted stuff I disagree. David Lynch became famous because of film critics who believe that if they can't understand a movie, it's actually good. This has been a problem with the film industry since the beginning of movies, and contributed to the fleeting fame of people like Jean Luc Godard (who was always merely flashy, never brilliant). Some people actually like David Lynch, and even I will admit that he did a pretty good job with the real, four- hour version of Dune and with The Straight Story. But IMO (and according to someone I used to know who was his personal secretary) he's LAZY, and tends to fall back on being flashy and weird rather than being actually creative, because he knows that among a certain contingent of critics, that'll get him good reviews. It's the same phenomenon in my opinion as those who fall for flash (or occult pushing it out) and think it's charisma. Lacking discrimination, they just glom onto whatever flashes them out and grabs their attention, and then *retroactively* try to make up reasons why it grabbed their attention. The reasons are never real; they're excuses for having no discrimination. As for why Nabby likes him, I thought MJ (or Sal, whoever said it) got it right. If there were a person on the street selling little dolls made out of dogshit and someone told Nabby that the person was a TMer, he'd call them an artist. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: he became a legend because a lot of people like sick twisted stuff I disagree. David Lynch became famous because of film critics who believe that if they can't understand a movie, it's actually good. I see, so that's why the french President Sarcozy gave Lynch the HIGHEST order of achievements in arts that's possible to receive. Must be because he wasn't listening to an OLD lover of B-movies and films living in Leiden :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: he became a legend because a lot of people like sick twisted stuff I disagree. David Lynch became famous because of film critics who believe that if they can't understand a movie, it's actually good. I see, so that's why the french President Sarcozy gave Lynch the HIGHEST order of achievements in arts that's possible to receive. Must be because he wasn't listening to an OLD lover of B-movies and films living in Leiden :-) You mean the same French who believe that *Jerry Lewis* was one of the greatest geniuses of the cinema? :-) FYI, Lynch was awarded the *lowest* rank of Officer of the Legion of Honor -- Chevalier -- not the highest: The order has had five levels since the reign of King Louis XVIII, who restored the order in 1815. Since the reform, the following distinctions have existed : Three ranks : * Chevalier (knight) * Commandeur (Commander) * Grand Officier (Grand Officer) * Grand-Croix (Grand Cross) Others so honored include Celine Dion, David Cronenberg, and Bruce Willis. Even Michele Yeoh, Hong Kong martial arts movie star, was awarded a higher honor, Commandeur. :-) For the record, Jerry Lewis was honored as a Chevalier in 1984, but then elevated to the rank of Commandeur in 2006, so even *he* ranks higher than David Lynch in the discerning eye of the French. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality?
After reading an article about California banning Yoga in schools, it made me think about liberalism in America and where it really stands on the subject of spirituality and development of consciousness. I always thought that of all states and all locations in America, the first one to welcome any form of Yoga, Meditation, and any other form of progressive teaching into its education or government programs, California would definitely be the first. The last element of our society that would promote such teachings would clearly be the ignorant, conservative, gun-toting military. Especially the Marine Corps, which attracts an exceedingly high percentage of conservatives. However, much to my surprise, in the last decade the entire US military has begun to make Yoga mandatory in its exercise program to include the Navy Seals, Marine Spec Ops units, the entire Army and many other units. Moreover, the Marine Corps just recently made meditation (not TM, but mindfulness meditation) a required portion of any Marine trying out for the Marine Corp's Special Operations Command. So essentially, it's the exact opposite of what anyone following spirituality in modern America would expect. The people liberals tend to hate the most (anyone from a disciplined or structured element of society) seem to be embracing eastern teachings more rapidly than groups that are predominantly liberal. In fact, my experience with people in the military is that they tend to be more open minded towards those types of teachings than a lot of liberal minded people I know. This brings me to a conclusion about liberals. I think they fall into different categories. You have some of the new-age spiritual types, like the ones who I remember from my days in Fairfield. Yes, they are all open-minded towards many controversial subjects such as gay marriage, and their views on economics leans towards socialism. But their inquisitive nature regarding spirituality indicates to me that they actually are an evolving culture in many ways. But then you have the other type of liberal. The purely atheist type like Bill Maher or Janeane Garafalo. They are likely to have the same social and economic views as the new-age spiritual type of liberal, but they are vehemently against spirituality and religion. This results in a resistance to any form of spirituality, and I can assure you that TM won't be welcome by such people, regardless of what scientific evidence you spew at them. In fact, I believe it is the scientific evidence that is guiding the military to embrace such teachings because it is logical and it works. Regarding liberals, I am beginning to believe that most liberals in the media and public spectrum fall in this category of people who are pre-dispositioned against spiritual and religious teachings. I think liberalism is leading us more and more towards atheism rather than faith in anything beyond what the 5 senses can percieve. I watch Bill Maher and other liberal shows often enough to know that they are representatives of a growing attitude throughout the country. And if you think about it, gravitating away from spirituality and religion is a must. I think it is sub-consciousness. We simply can't have a set of socio-economic moral guidelines anywhere in our society if we are going to behave in a socio-economically immoral manner. Regardless of how wrong or negative anyone's policies are, nobody wants to be wrong. Not even Hitler wanted to be wrong. If you read the translations of many of his speeches, they weren't maniacal, they were inspiring to a society that needed inspiration during hard times. He had logic that supported his decisions and actions. But to support the decisions and actions that Americans are currently disposed towards, and to feel right about it, the first step is to remove any teachings that provide moral guidelines that contradict the direction you want to move in. Hence, we must remove spirituality and religion from our society. Just watch Bill Maher or other popular liberal spokespersons and their attitude towards religion. They don't just point out that there are a lot of nutcases out there, they try to completely discredit every single religion. Sort of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You never see them attacking someone like Alan Watts or Eckhart Tolle. They simply expose only the weirdos, and ingores the geniuses. This is not in any way to say conservatives are right and liberals are wrong. I know many conservatives who are very ignorant about many things. I also know many people who believe deeply in Republican/Conservative politics but then they turn around and live a liberal lifestyle that is devoid of any personal responsibility. Hence, they are liberals in their actions and conservative in their minds. And many liberals I know, both the atheist and spiritual type are some of the most remarkable
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality?
Any thoughts? Any person who can affix a name like liberal or conservative to his or her beliefs -- be they political, social, or spiritual -- is not worth paying any attention to whatsoever. On another level, you must not have spent much time in California if you think it's a liberal bastion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: After reading an article about California banning Yoga in schools, it made me think about liberalism in America and where it really stands on the subject of spirituality and development of consciousness. I always thought that of all states and all locations in America, the first one to welcome any form of Yoga, Meditation, and any other form of progressive teaching into its education or government programs, California would definitely be the first. The last element of our society that would promote such teachings would clearly be the ignorant, conservative, gun-toting military. Especially the Marine Corps, which attracts an exceedingly high percentage of conservatives. However, much to my surprise, in the last decade the entire US military has begun to make Yoga mandatory in its exercise program to include the Navy Seals, Marine Spec Ops units, the entire Army and many other units. Moreover, the Marine Corps just recently made meditation (not TM, but mindfulness meditation) a required portion of any Marine trying out for the Marine Corp's Special Operations Command. So essentially, it's the exact opposite of what anyone following spirituality in modern America would expect. The people liberals tend to hate the most (anyone from a disciplined or structured element of society) seem to be embracing eastern teachings more rapidly than groups that are predominantly liberal. In fact, my experience with people in the military is that they tend to be more open minded towards those types of teachings than a lot of liberal minded people I know. This brings me to a conclusion about liberals. I think they fall into different categories. You have some of the new-age spiritual types, like the ones who I remember from my days in Fairfield. Yes, they are all open-minded towards many controversial subjects such as gay marriage, and their views on economics leans towards socialism. But their inquisitive nature regarding spirituality indicates to me that they actually are an evolving culture in many ways. But then you have the other type of liberal. The purely atheist type like Bill Maher or Janeane Garafalo. They are likely to have the same social and economic views as the new-age spiritual type of liberal, but they are vehemently against spirituality and religion. This results in a resistance to any form of spirituality, and I can assure you that TM won't be welcome by such people, regardless of what scientific evidence you spew at them. In fact, I believe it is the scientific evidence that is guiding the military to embrace such teachings because it is logical and it works. Regarding liberals, I am beginning to believe that most liberals in the media and public spectrum fall in this category of people who are pre-dispositioned against spiritual and religious teachings. I think liberalism is leading us more and more towards atheism rather than faith in anything beyond what the 5 senses can percieve. I watch Bill Maher and other liberal shows often enough to know that they are representatives of a growing attitude throughout the country. And if you think about it, gravitating away from spirituality and religion is a must. I think it is sub-consciousness. We simply can't have a set of socio-economic moral guidelines anywhere in our society if we are going to behave in a socio-economically immoral manner. Regardless of how wrong or negative anyone's policies are, nobody wants to be wrong. Not even Hitler wanted to be wrong. If you read the translations of many of his speeches, they weren't maniacal, they were inspiring to a society that needed inspiration during hard times. He had logic that supported his decisions and actions. But to support the decisions and actions that Americans are currently disposed towards, and to feel right about it, the first step is to remove any teachings that provide moral guidelines that contradict the direction you want to move in. Hence, we must remove spirituality and religion from our society. Just watch Bill Maher or other popular liberal spokespersons and their attitude towards religion. They don't just point out that there are a lot of nutcases out there, they try to completely discredit every single religion. Sort of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You never see them attacking someone like Alan Watts or Eckhart Tolle. They simply expose only the weirdos, and ingores the geniuses. This is not in any way to say conservatives are right and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality?
you're right that California is not purely liberal, just as Texas isn't purely conservative. But I did spend enough time there to know that it is a much more attractive place to be in terms of social acceptance for many liberals, especially in specific cities. Northern Cali is clearly more conservative as well as the eastern portion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Any thoughts? Any person who can affix a name like liberal or conservative to his or her beliefs -- be they political, social, or spiritual -- is not worth paying any attention to whatsoever. On another level, you must not have spent much time in California if you think it's a liberal bastion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: After reading an article about California banning Yoga in schools, it made me think about liberalism in America and where it really stands on the subject of spirituality and development of consciousness. I always thought that of all states and all locations in America, the first one to welcome any form of Yoga, Meditation, and any other form of progressive teaching into its education or government programs, California would definitely be the first. The last element of our society that would promote such teachings would clearly be the ignorant, conservative, gun-toting military. Especially the Marine Corps, which attracts an exceedingly high percentage of conservatives. However, much to my surprise, in the last decade the entire US military has begun to make Yoga mandatory in its exercise program to include the Navy Seals, Marine Spec Ops units, the entire Army and many other units. Moreover, the Marine Corps just recently made meditation (not TM, but mindfulness meditation) a required portion of any Marine trying out for the Marine Corp's Special Operations Command. So essentially, it's the exact opposite of what anyone following spirituality in modern America would expect. The people liberals tend to hate the most (anyone from a disciplined or structured element of society) seem to be embracing eastern teachings more rapidly than groups that are predominantly liberal. In fact, my experience with people in the military is that they tend to be more open minded towards those types of teachings than a lot of liberal minded people I know. This brings me to a conclusion about liberals. I think they fall into different categories. You have some of the new-age spiritual types, like the ones who I remember from my days in Fairfield. Yes, they are all open-minded towards many controversial subjects such as gay marriage, and their views on economics leans towards socialism. But their inquisitive nature regarding spirituality indicates to me that they actually are an evolving culture in many ways. But then you have the other type of liberal. The purely atheist type like Bill Maher or Janeane Garafalo. They are likely to have the same social and economic views as the new-age spiritual type of liberal, but they are vehemently against spirituality and religion. This results in a resistance to any form of spirituality, and I can assure you that TM won't be welcome by such people, regardless of what scientific evidence you spew at them. In fact, I believe it is the scientific evidence that is guiding the military to embrace such teachings because it is logical and it works. Regarding liberals, I am beginning to believe that most liberals in the media and public spectrum fall in this category of people who are pre-dispositioned against spiritual and religious teachings. I think liberalism is leading us more and more towards atheism rather than faith in anything beyond what the 5 senses can percieve. I watch Bill Maher and other liberal shows often enough to know that they are representatives of a growing attitude throughout the country. And if you think about it, gravitating away from spirituality and religion is a must. I think it is sub-consciousness. We simply can't have a set of socio-economic moral guidelines anywhere in our society if we are going to behave in a socio-economically immoral manner. Regardless of how wrong or negative anyone's policies are, nobody wants to be wrong. Not even Hitler wanted to be wrong. If you read the translations of many of his speeches, they weren't maniacal, they were inspiring to a society that needed inspiration during hard times. He had logic that supported his decisions and actions. But to support the decisions and actions that Americans are currently disposed towards, and to feel right about it, the first step is to remove any teachings that provide moral guidelines that contradict the direction you want to move in. Hence, we must remove spirituality and religion from our society.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And another batch--it's 61 now. I didn't count them up, but it looks to me as though most of the new ones are negative. Tsk, the governors aren't pulling their weight. In the UK if someone gets an article published it goes out on the gov's email list so loads of positive comments can be put out before the cynics get find it. It really backfired in the Guardian once when one of the regular commenters noticed that all the positive remarks were from people who joined within an hour or so of the article appearing. Made me laugh as I knew everyone and found it quite sweet that they had all got the hang of modern PR methods as they were usually not the most tech- nically minded people I'd ever met. So it's good that the NYT have posted negative stuff too as some of it is rather interesting. But the most interesting bit for me is that MMY didn't actually appear in person on the millionaires courses. I didn't know that, the big attraction for everyone of course was the personal intuition, but via TV! Very odd behaviour, and they kept it quiet very well. But what did the CPs think? I guess if you've handed over that much dosh to who knows where you must be used to the TMO way of operating. I would be well hacked off of course, but then I wouldn't have given them the cash in the first place so it's probably self selecting who gets disappointed with the misleading course details. Instructions finally came yesterday...better late than never I guess... Time-Sensitive: Your Help NeededPlease Leave Comments on New York Times Article on David Lynch TM Program February 24, 2013 Dear Certified Governors and Friends, Please take 1-2 minutes, this evening if possible, and leave a brief comment on the online New York Times article about David Lynch and the TM® program. It is one of their top featured articles today and highlighted as top news on their mobile front page. You can read the article and leave a comment here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-me\ ditation.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-m\ editation.html?pagewanted=all Several people who are unfamiliar with our program are leaving ill-informed comments which can easily mislead NY Times readers. We would like to show support for these powerful programs with a brief comment at the end of the article that supports the great works of the David Lynch Foundation and the TM program in a simple and balanced way. Thanks so much, Jai Guru Dev Sam and Melody Katz National Directors of Communication
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: you're right that California is not purely liberal, just as Texas isn't purely conservative. But I did spend enough time there to know that it is a much more attractive place to be in terms of social acceptance for many liberals, especially in specific cities. Northern Cali is clearly more conservative as well as the eastern portion. As is Orange County and most of Southern California, with the exception of parts of L.A., some beach towns, and parts of San Diego. Re your larger rant, why do you classify liberals (or anyone else) into believers in religion/spirituality vs. atheists? There *are* a few visible media figures who are out-and-out atheists, but there are many more like me, who just have no NEED for a god figure in our thinking. Yes, I tend to believe that religion has, on the whole, done far more harm than it has good, but that's because I'm a student of history, and it is difficult to come to any other conclusion if you read history. I merely assume that, as you say, the so-called New Age spiritual but not religious movement will wind up being regarded as similarly ill- considered, and the source of just as much suffering, persecution, and just as many charlatans. I'm speaking up just to remind you of the loaded nature of certain words. Calling someone an atheist is the social counterpart these days of calling them a nigger or a communist in other eras. It *by definition* brings up negative connotations that may not be deserved. Some of man- kind's greatest minds have seen no need to postulate a God or believe in one, but that didn't make them atheists, the way that term has been colored recently. The truly hard-core, get-in-believers'-faces atheists have made life hard for the rest of us, who aren't sure of *anything*, much less that one can say with absolute certainty that there is no God. That's as ignorant IMO as saying with absolute cer- tainty that there is one. A better distinction, in my opinion, might be between those who believe in belief, and base their approach to life on FAITH (*whatever* they might have faith in) rather than those who remain uncommitted to any dogma or religious teaching or philosophy or moral guidelines or anything else. The latter would be better termed LOGICAL than atheists IMO. Whether it is science that appeals to their sense of logic or just an intuitive sense of what makes sense and what does not, THAT seems to me to be a skill that will be useful in the future and should persevere. In contrast, I would class most of the hard-core atheists who get themselves into the media as JUST as dogmatic and funda- mentalist as Christian Fundies. They just know that what they believe is true, and they know this so strongly that they feel the need and the right to impose what they know on others. That is the very *nature* of fundamentalism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Any thoughts? Any person who can affix a name like liberal or conservative to his or her beliefs -- be they political, social, or spiritual -- is not worth paying any attention to whatsoever. On another level, you must not have spent much time in California if you think it's a liberal bastion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: After reading an article about California banning Yoga in schools, it made me think about liberalism in America and where it really stands on the subject of spirituality and development of consciousness. I always thought that of all states and all locations in America, the first one to welcome any form of Yoga, Meditation, and any other form of progressive teaching into its education or government programs, California would definitely be the first. The last element of our society that would promote such teachings would clearly be the ignorant, conservative, gun-toting military. Especially the Marine Corps, which attracts an exceedingly high percentage of conservatives. However, much to my surprise, in the last decade the entire US military has begun to make Yoga mandatory in its exercise program to include the Navy Seals, Marine Spec Ops units, the entire Army and many other units. Moreover, the Marine Corps just recently made meditation (not TM, but mindfulness meditation) a required portion of any Marine trying out for the Marine Corp's Special Operations Command. So essentially, it's the exact opposite of what anyone following spirituality in modern America would expect. The people liberals tend to hate the most (anyone from a disciplined or structured element of society) seem to be embracing eastern teachings more rapidly than groups that are predominantly liberal. In fact, my experience with people in the military is that they tend to be more open
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality?
Great observation generally about the removal of moral yardstick. You started off categorizing meditators but then stopped with the liberal roo. The gradation within Roos is way broader than just there. If you just look at political party affiliation and political activism of roos in Jefferson County here you see there is a spectrum that is more complex and interesting. However, going with your thoughts, the upper echelons of TM around the middle of TM are way more conservative than you start off with in categorizing about meditators and Some of them like your example of other dictators would also like to see moral yardsticks disappear given their own behavior. They've always been dangerous that way, like other theocratic dictators will be. Generally I think culture will be morally vouch safe as you see the meditating US Marines with copies of the B.Gita tucked into their ruck packs for reading as they go out on duty. However, As a conservative meditator I'd like to see the study of the the good old Classics brought back to the Parsons College campus again as required core education of our young meditators and some of the old meditators here could stand some Classic virtues remediation in addition to all their meditating. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: After reading an article about California banning Yoga in schools, it made me think about liberalism in America and where it really stands on the subject of spirituality and development of consciousness. I always thought that of all states and all locations in America, the first one to welcome any form of Yoga, Meditation, and any other form of progressive teaching into its education or government programs, California would definitely be the first. The last element of our society that would promote such teachings would clearly be the ignorant, conservative, gun-toting military. Especially the Marine Corps, which attracts an exceedingly high percentage of conservatives. However, much to my surprise, in the last decade the entire US military has begun to make Yoga mandatory in its exercise program to include the Navy Seals, Marine Spec Ops units, the entire Army and many other units. Moreover, the Marine Corps just recently made meditation (not TM, but mindfulness meditation) a required portion of any Marine trying out for the Marine Corp's Special Operations Command. So essentially, it's the exact opposite of what anyone following spirituality in modern America would expect. The people liberals tend to hate the most (anyone from a disciplined or structured element of society) seem to be embracing eastern teachings more rapidly than groups that are predominantly liberal. In fact, my experience with people in the military is that they tend to be more open minded towards those types of teachings than a lot of liberal minded people I know. This brings me to a conclusion about liberals. I think they fall into different categories. You have some of the new-age spiritual types, like the ones who I remember from my days in Fairfield. Yes, they are all open-minded towards many controversial subjects such as gay marriage, and their views on economics leans towards socialism. But their inquisitive nature regarding spirituality indicates to me that they actually are an evolving culture in many ways. But then you have the other type of liberal. The purely atheist type like Bill Maher or Janeane Garafalo. They are likely to have the same social and economic views as the new-age spiritual type of liberal, but they are vehemently against spirituality and religion. This results in a resistance to any form of spirituality, and I can assure you that TM won't be welcome by such people, regardless of what scientific evidence you spew at them. In fact, I believe it is the scientific evidence that is guiding the military to embrace such teachings because it is logical and it works. Regarding liberals, I am beginning to believe that most liberals in the media and public spectrum fall in this category of people who are pre-dispositioned against spiritual and religious teachings. I think liberalism is leading us more and more towards atheism rather than faith in anything beyond what the 5 senses can percieve. I watch Bill Maher and other liberal shows often enough to know that they are representatives of a growing attitude throughout the country. And if you think about it, gravitating away from spirituality and religion is a must. I think it is sub-consciousness. We simply can't have a set of socio-economic moral guidelines anywhere in our society if we are going to behave in a socio-economically immoral manner. Regardless of how wrong or negative anyone's policies are, nobody wants to be wrong. Not even Hitler wanted to be wrong. If you read the translations of
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: he became a legend because a lot of people like sick twisted stuff As for why Nabby likes him, I thought MJ (or Sal, whoever said it) got it right. If there were a person on the street selling little dolls made out of dogshit and someone told Nabby that the person was a TMer, he'd call them an artist. :-) Let's be thankful that stale, old nitwits like the Turq was not around to critizise the now world famous artists. Without even a trace of talent for or understanding of art he'd be the first to label the art of Picasso, Van Gogh and others as trash and twisted. When in addition the artist create something FAR beyond the scope of his limited comprehension happens to be a TM'er we know the outcome. We've seen fools like him in action before; Hitler called art he did'nt like or made by jews entarted and had it banned and burned. That's what the Turq would have liked to do too if he wasn't an impotent old fart.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And another batch--it's 61 now. I didn't count them up, but it looks to me as though most of the new ones are negative. Tsk, the governors aren't pulling their weight. In the UK if someone gets an article published it goes out on the gov's email list so loads of positive comments can be put out before the cynics get find it. It really backfired in the Guardian once when one of the regular commenters noticed that all the positive remarks were from people who joined within an hour or so of the article appearing. Made me laugh as I knew everyone and found it quite sweet that they had all got the hang of modern PR methods as they were usually not the most tech- nically minded people I'd ever met. So it's good that the NYT have posted negative stuff too as some of it is rather interesting. But the most interesting bit for me is that MMY didn't actually appear in person on the millionaires courses. I didn't know that, the big attraction for everyone of course was the personal intuition, but via TV! Very odd behaviour, and they kept it quiet very well. But what did the CPs think? I guess if you've handed over that much dosh to who knows where you must be used to the TMO way of operating. I would be well hacked off of course, but then I wouldn't have given them the cash in the first place so it's probably self selecting who gets disappointed with the misleading course details. Instructions finally came yesterday...better late than never I guess... Time-Sensitive: Your Help NeededPlease Leave Comments on New York Times Article on David Lynch TM Program I got to go feed livestock and get to the Dome now for the morning meditation but if I had time to log in to the NYTimes I'd send them this to help out: Dear NYTimes readers, Scroll through and read the range of views and insight of the broader TM community about this article in the message replies that started in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/336181 -Buck February 24, 2013 Dear Certified Governors and Friends, Please take 1-2 minutes, this evening if possible, and leave a brief comment on the online New York Times article about David Lynch and the TM® program. It is one of their top featured articles today and highlighted as top news on their mobile front page. You can read the article and leave a comment here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-me\ ditation.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-m\ editation.html?pagewanted=all Several people who are unfamiliar with our program are leaving ill-informed comments which can easily mislead NY Times readers. We would like to show support for these powerful programs with a brief comment at the end of the article that supports the great works of the David Lynch Foundation and the TM program in a simple and balanced way. Thanks so much, Jai Guru Dev Sam and Melody Katz National Directors of Communication
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Music
Its funny you say that Ann, because finding shoes has always been a challenge. I have wide feet (true duck feet) and probably could go to E if they made them. I used to squeeze into a D width for school and it was torture. Quack, quack! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I'm simply offering the raw material - I have lots of it unfrozen too! Splash around a bit, paddle with those big quaky duck feet of yours. You'll love it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Very cool! I actually have this machine in my kitchen that manufactures proto-ice instruments, 24x7. We call them ice cubes. I sent an email to the guy in the video offering to sell him mine at a fair price - Haven't heard back yet... I'd like to see you produce something outstanding with them, other than iced tea. How about an ice cube sculpture with some coloured light generated by prismatic light? Then compose a soundtrack to go with. Please, please incorporate some aspect of the now famous duck walk too - that is still one of my favourite parts of your last video. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Speaking of hums in the universe, these seem to reverberate nicely. http://www.dontpaniconline.com/magazine/music/ice-instruments-from-iceland
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
God that is hilarious! Thank you for posting this Barry. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 5:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: he became a legend because a lot of people like sick twisted stuff I disagree. David Lynch became famous because of film critics who believe that if they can't understand a movie, it's actually good. I see, so that's why the french President Sarcozy gave Lynch the HIGHEST order of achievements in arts that's possible to receive. Must be because he wasn't listening to an OLD lover of B-movies and films living in Leiden :-) You mean the same French who believe that *Jerry Lewis* was one of the greatest geniuses of the cinema? :-) FYI, Lynch was awarded the *lowest* rank of Officer of the Legion of Honor -- Chevalier -- not the highest: The order has had five levels since the reign of King Louis XVIII, who restored the order in 1815. Since the reform, the following distinctions have existed : Three ranks : * Chevalier (knight) * Commandeur (Commander) * Grand Officier (Grand Officer) * Grand-Croix (Grand Cross) Others so honored include Celine Dion, David Cronenberg, and Bruce Willis. Even Michele Yeoh, Hong Kong martial arts movie star, was awarded a higher honor, Commandeur. :-) For the record, Jerry Lewis was honored as a Chevalier in 1984, but then elevated to the rank of Commandeur in 2006, so even *he* ranks higher than David Lynch in the discerning eye of the French. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Doc....Regarding psychedelic/hallucinogen drug experiences -
Hi, my comment was specifically about a person's consciousness, while under the influence of hallucinogens, influencing their entry into the astral worlds. Also limited myself to personal experience. I've never done Jimson Weed - sounds worse than awful. As for my negative comments on mescaline, LSD and peyote, I had pretty OK experiences with all of them, yet aside from the wow factor, they are no way to explore, or develop, a more refined awareness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: Hey Doc, Sometime in this past week I read one of your responses on a thread. I forget the thread now. But I recall the essence of your response. (I couldn't respond at the time because I had carpal tunnel surgery this past Monday, 2/18, and wasn't able to really type and now can't remember where you commented. Sorry bout that.) Anyhoo...you stated something to the effect that a person's experience when under the influence of a psychedelic drug mirrored that person's internal state. (Again, going by memory ... so if I mis-understood, please correct me.) In my experience that isn't always true. An example would be the drug/herb jimson weed. Every experience I've ever read/heard has always been horrid hallucinations. (I danced with jimson weed when I was 15 years old and can atest to its horrors.) As far as other psychedelics, they each had their own nuance in my experiences. For example: Mescaline often made me laugh a lot. MDA made me horny. LSD afforded psychedelic sensory distortions. I'm of the opinion that different chemicals evoke various hormones (or whatevers) to respond...and thus a certain drugs/herbs can cause bad effects (bad trips) or good effects (good trips). I do think whatever one experiences within the good trip or the bad trip comes from somewhere in the person's psyche...but the drug used helps determine if what is pulled from the psyche is pleasurable or not pleasurable. (Hope that makes sense.) Eventually all my trips tuck a turn toward the dark side, which was probably a blessing because I gave up tripping. Hmmmthat is when I turned to TM by the way. Ha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
Thanks. I oughta come out with a line of coffee mugs, huh? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for bringing up a traditional use of the mantra as pure sound value. I am hardly knowledgeable about the Veda, but it IS all about the transformation and manifestation of vibration (sound). Aside from doing my 9th grade science project on what sound waves at various frequencies look like, when iron filings on an aluminum sheet are laid atop a speaker, and later, all the TM stuff, that's about as far as it goes for me. Nowadays, its either my tinnitus, or everything sings, or both.:-) Doc, I really appreciate your writings about enlightenment. Spot on in my experience too. For a while I was thinking of saving your quips about this as aphorisms but I ain't got the time to edit that now. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality?
You're definitely right, Roos don't just fall into a liberal category, especially in the higher echelons of the TMO. They are often frighteningly conservative, particularly with their rigid thinking and fundamentalism. My experience among TM'ers was more so among the commoners such as the students and Fairfield residents, which were clearly more liberal in their thinking and life choices. But at the same time, liberalism vs. conservatism is a very shady subject. I pointed out that many people are one thing in their minds but another in their actions. I've met many people whose ideology is clearly liberal, but they are hard working and self-sufficient people, which is what conservatism promotes. Then you have some people who are conservative in their ideology, but are predominantly dependent on others and wouldn't make it in this world if they didn't have others to depend on. Collectivism vs. Individualism is not always a black and white situation when it comes to the voting booth or what media outlet you prefer. A lot of people prescribe to a certain methodology but act and behave in a very contradictory way. I look at many of the higher-ups in the TMO that way. Their restrictive tendencies reflect conservatism, but their lack of accountability on so many other issues reflects more liberal ideology IMO. They will present things in a black and white manner one day, then mesh things into the blur of a gray zone the next, all depending on what suits their purpose. So, in essence, I can't really assign either ideology to the inner circles of the TMO. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Great observation generally about the removal of moral yardstick. You started off categorizing meditators but then stopped with the liberal roo. The gradation within Roos is way broader than just there. If you just look at political party affiliation and political activism of roos in Jefferson County here you see there is a spectrum that is more complex and interesting. However, going with your thoughts, the upper echelons of TM around the middle of TM are way more conservative than you start off with in categorizing about meditators and Some of them like your example of other dictators would also like to see moral yardsticks disappear given their own behavior. They've always been dangerous that way, like other theocratic dictators will be. Generally I think culture will be morally vouch safe as you see the meditating US Marines with copies of the B.Gita tucked into their ruck packs for reading as they go out on duty. However, As a conservative meditator I'd like to see the study of the the good old Classics brought back to the Parsons College campus again as required core education of our young meditators and some of the old meditators here could stand some Classic virtues remediation in addition to all their meditating. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: After reading an article about California banning Yoga in schools, it made me think about liberalism in America and where it really stands on the subject of spirituality and development of consciousness. I always thought that of all states and all locations in America, the first one to welcome any form of Yoga, Meditation, and any other form of progressive teaching into its education or government programs, California would definitely be the first. The last element of our society that would promote such teachings would clearly be the ignorant, conservative, gun-toting military. Especially the Marine Corps, which attracts an exceedingly high percentage of conservatives. However, much to my surprise, in the last decade the entire US military has begun to make Yoga mandatory in its exercise program to include the Navy Seals, Marine Spec Ops units, the entire Army and many other units. Moreover, the Marine Corps just recently made meditation (not TM, but mindfulness meditation) a required portion of any Marine trying out for the Marine Corp's Special Operations Command. So essentially, it's the exact opposite of what anyone following spirituality in modern America would expect. The people liberals tend to hate the most (anyone from a disciplined or structured element of society) seem to be embracing eastern teachings more rapidly than groups that are predominantly liberal. In fact, my experience with people in the military is that they tend to be more open minded towards those types of teachings than a lot of liberal minded people I know. This brings me to a conclusion about liberals. I think they fall into different categories. You have some of the new-age spiritual types, like the ones who I remember from my days in Fairfield. Yes, they are all open-minded towards many controversial subjects
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
In my opinion, critics are the bottom feeders of the arts. Possessing no talent of their own, they pronounce judgement on entertainment they have enjoyed passively, but could never reproduce. The sole function for the paid ones, these days, is to function as money whores for the public to follow, pro or con. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: he became a legend because a lot of people like sick twisted stuff I disagree. David Lynch became famous because of film critics who believe that if they can't understand a movie, it's actually good. I see, so that's why the french President Sarcozy gave Lynch the HIGHEST order of achievements in arts that's possible to receive. Must be because he wasn't listening to an OLD lover of B-movies and films living in Leiden :-) You mean the same French who believe that *Jerry Lewis* was one of the greatest geniuses of the cinema? :-) FYI, Lynch was awarded the *lowest* rank of Officer of the Legion of Honor -- Chevalier -- not the highest: The order has had five levels since the reign of King Louis XVIII, who restored the order in 1815. Since the reform, the following distinctions have existed : Three ranks : * Chevalier (knight) * Commandeur (Commander) * Grand Officier (Grand Officer) * Grand-Croix (Grand Cross) Others so honored include Celine Dion, David Cronenberg, and Bruce Willis. Even Michele Yeoh, Hong Kong martial arts movie star, was awarded a higher honor, Commandeur. :-) For the record, Jerry Lewis was honored as a Chevalier in 1984, but then elevated to the rank of Commandeur in 2006, so even *he* ranks higher than David Lynch in the discerning eye of the French. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: God that is hilarious! Thank you for posting this Barry. Consider it merely a warning against believing everything you read in TMO press releases. Sorta like when most of the TM-related press releases about the controversial (withdrawn from publication at the last minute and then later re-released) study on heart disease and TM failed to mention that the study participants were all black. African Americans are 40% more likely to have high blood pressure than other ethnic groups, and 10% less likely to have it under control. The TMO writeup didn't mention the ethnic makeup of the study *at all*. ALL that was important to them was that there was something that they could spin into making TM look good. As for the French, well...I lived there for many years, and I've never really understood their overly SERIOUS side, and their tendency to take any play or movie or novel that is ponderous and dark and incomprehensible and assume that it's ART. And at the same time, their favorite performers -- both on the stage and in movies -- have always been irredeemably stupid clowns like Jerry Lewis, whose humor appeals to the lowest, least intelligent common denominator. So drawing any conclu- sions from them honoring David Lynch is a bit suspect. :-) From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: he became a legend because a lot of people like sick twisted stuff I disagree. David Lynch became famous because of film critics who believe that if they can't understand a movie, it's actually good. I see, so that's why the french President Sarcozy gave Lynch the HIGHEST order of achievements in arts that's possible to receive. Must be because he wasn't listening to an OLD lover of B-movies and films living in Leiden :-) You mean the same French who believe that *Jerry Lewis* was one of the greatest geniuses of the cinema? :-) FYI, Lynch was awarded the *lowest* rank of Officer of the Legion of Honor -- Chevalier -- not the highest: The order has had five levels since the reign of King Louis XVIII, who restored the order in 1815. Since the reform, the following distinctions have existed : * Chevalier (knight) * Commandeur (Commander) * Grand Officier (Grand Officer) * Grand-Croix (Grand Cross) Others so honored include Celine Dion, David Cronenberg, and Bruce Willis. Even Michele Yeoh, Hong Kong martial arts movie star, was awarded a higher honor, Commandeur. :-) For the record, Jerry Lewis was honored as a Chevalier in 1984, but then elevated to the rank of Commandeur in 2006, so even *he* ranks higher than David Lynch in the discerning eye of the French. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Xeno, thanks for the file upload
I am reading it now, and have saved it too. Wanted to be sure and thank you before I forgot. Thanks again! PS MMY's Theory of Spiritual Development
[FairfieldLife] Meditation, as seen by dogs
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[FairfieldLife] Barry's Opinion - in a nutshell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I've been staying out of the mock furor over one silly planted article in the NYTimes, allowing those who feel somehow invested in it one way or another to shoot their wads, and allowing at least one TB to make 38 posts in two days, either arguing about it or playing other ego games to puff up her imaginary self image. :-) But I will comment on the SADNESS of the TM movement these days, in terms of how it feels the need to market its products. First, as I commented on earlier, it has since Day One based most of its marketing appeal on the idiocy of the general public, and their tendency to believe that If someone famous does it/wears it/drives it, I should, too. Maharishi, like many Indians, was the utter personification of celebrity-worship and using these celebrities to make people believe that he had similar celebrity. It can be honestly speculated that if he hadn't run into the Beatles, no more than a few thousand people would *ever* have started TM. ( As an aside, and to underscore that it's not just TMers who are suckers for this blatant use of celebrities to sell things, did you know that companies pay celebrities *millions* of dollars to shill for them as their celebrity spokespersons? Kim Kardashian -- that vapid, unattractive, talentless bimbo who made herself famous by releasing a video of herself fucking and claimed it had been leaked -- now gets $10,000 every time she mentions a product on one of her TWEETS? Now *that* is insane. ) But the sad part is that the TMO *still* use this technique, because the OLD PEOPLE who run the TM movement 1) are so lacking in creativity that they can't think of any way to market their products that Maharishi didn't use himself, 2) they're OLD PEOPLE, still caught up in celebrity- worship themselves, and 3) the primary target of all of their marketing efforts are OLD PEOPLE like themselves, the hangers-on to the myth of the TM movement, not new TMers at all. The TMO has done such a shitty job with its image over the years that it simply *cannot* market TM as a stand- alone product competing with better and more reasonably priced forms of meditation. So they have to use celebrities to sell it, and *primarily to existing meditators*. THAT has been their real marketing strateqy since the late 1970s -- preaching to the converted, trying to get *them* to feel good about practicing TM so that they'll continue to flood the movement with donations. Fascinatingly, that is the approach that Maharishi fell back upon and that is still being used today to try to market TM to new people. It's still completely based on an appeal to OLD PEOPLE, and in particular *wealthy* OLD PEOPLE. *No one even tries* to present TM as a standalone product and sell it to the end users. Instead they pitch it as a panacea for social ills, and as a way to help the Victim Du Jour -- children, PTSD veterans, etc. The *entire appeal* is to rich OLD PEOPLE, to try to get them to contribute, either with their names (if they are celebrities) or with money, or both. One can say that the use of science to try to sell TM is an extension of the same idea. In our era, science itself is a bit of a celebrity -- claim that something is scientific and an astounding number of people will actually believe it. So they concocted pseudo-science based on Bad Protocols to make it *look* as if TM had some scientific validation, and again a large number of people bought into this. In my opinion, this all started NOT as an attempt to market TM to new people, but as a way to preach to the converted and keep existing OLD PEOPLE -- the TMO base -- on the hook and still contrib- uting by sending in donations or paying for courses. And again, it worked, because people never seem to tire of being told, You're so smart...you made the right decision... lookie here...even *science* thinks that TM is worth doing. And of course hoardes of OLD PEOPLE, wishing to be told that the hours they'd spent sitting on their butts (let alone bouncing on them) weren't wasted, lapped it up like dogs, and continue to. TMers *still* salivate over every celebrity mention, and every crap study presented as if it were real research. But the bottom line is that the TM movement is OLD, and dying. And so is its base. IT CANNOT COMPETE in the meditation marketplace with tech- niques that present themselves more honestly, such as mindful- ness meditation or other techniques still taught cheaply or for free. So it still tries to rely on celebrity and on pseudo- science to market itself to the rich people who are anxious to work their *own* image by appearing to be benevolent donors to good works. THERE IS NO OTHER SOURCE OF INCOME. That's ALL that the TMO has got. Pretty sad, for a technique that once had the ability to be sold as what it was, a simple, easily learned technique
[FairfieldLife] Barry - in a nutshell
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: idiots that would pay a mill for his darshan could have had him puke in their faces and would have considered it a blessing. One thing to consider is that a million dollars looks like a lot to you, but not to those who spent it. Wealthy people don't feel a million dollars, the same way you and I do. The ultra-rich could have a hundred gurus puke in their faces, at a million a pop, and not notice the debit (though the presumed gallons of vomit would be difficult to ignore - Now *there's* a Fabreze Challenge for you...). schnipp
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Thanks. I oughta come out with a line of coffee mugs, huh? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for bringing up a traditional use of the mantra as pure sound value. I am hardly knowledgeable about the Veda, but it IS all about the transformation and manifestation of vibration (sound). Aside from doing my 9th grade science project on what sound waves at various frequencies look like, when iron filings on an aluminum sheet are laid atop a speaker, and later, all the TM stuff, that's about as far as it goes for me. Nowadays, its either my tinnitus, or everything sings, or both.:-) Doc, I really appreciate your writings about enlightenment. Spot on in my experience too. For a while I was thinking of saving your quips about this as aphorisms but I ain't got the time to edit that now. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Opinion - in a nutshell
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've been staying out of the mock furor over one silly planted article in the NYTimes, allowing those who feel somehow invested in it one way or another to shoot their wads, and allowing at least one TB to make 38 posts in two days, either arguing about it or playing other ego games to puff up her imaginary self image. :-) But I will comment on the SADNESS of the TM movement these days, in terms of how it feels the need to market its products. First, as I commented on earlier, it has since Day One based most of its marketing appeal on the idiocy of the general public, and their tendency to believe that If someone famous does it/wears it/drives it, I should, too. Maharishi, like many Indians, was the utter personification of celebrity-worship and using these celebrities to make people believe that he had similar celebrity. It can be honestly speculated that if he hadn't run into the Beatles, no more than a few thousand people would *ever* have started TM. ( As an aside, and to underscore that it's not just TMers who are suckers for this blatant use of celebrities to sell things, did you know that companies pay celebrities *millions* of dollars to shill for them as their celebrity spokespersons? Kim Kardashian -- that vapid, unattractive, talentless bimbo who made herself famous by releasing a video of herself fucking and claimed it had been leaked -- now gets $10,000 every time she mentions a product on one of her TWEETS? Now *that* is insane. ) But the sad part is that the TMO *still* use this technique, because the OLD PEOPLE who run the TM movement 1) are so lacking in creativity that they can't think of any way to market their products that Maharishi didn't use himself, 2) they're OLD PEOPLE, still caught up in celebrity- worship themselves, and 3) the primary target of all of their marketing efforts are OLD PEOPLE like themselves, the hangers-on to the myth of the TM movement, not new TMers at all. The TMO has done such a shitty job with its image over the years that it simply *cannot* market TM as a stand- alone product competing with better and more reasonably priced forms of meditation. So they have to use celebrities to sell it, and *primarily to existing meditators*. THAT has been their real marketing strateqy since the late 1970s -- preaching to the converted, trying to get *them* to feel good about practicing TM so that they'll continue to flood the movement with donations. Fascinatingly, that is the approach that Maharishi fell back upon and that is still being used today to try to market TM to new people. It's still completely based on an appeal to OLD PEOPLE, and in particular *wealthy* OLD PEOPLE. *No one even tries* to present TM as a standalone product and sell it to the end users. Instead they pitch it as a panacea for social ills, and as a way to help the Victim Du Jour -- children, PTSD veterans, etc. The *entire appeal* is to rich OLD PEOPLE, to try to get them to contribute, either with their names (if they are celebrities) or with money, or both. One can say that the use of science to try to sell TM is an extension of the same idea. In our era, science itself is a bit of a celebrity -- claim that something is scientific and an astounding number of people will actually believe it. So they concocted pseudo-science based on Bad Protocols to make it *look* as if TM had some scientific validation, and again a large number of people bought into this. In my opinion, this all started NOT as an attempt to market TM to new people, but as a way to preach to the converted and keep existing OLD PEOPLE -- the TMO base -- on the hook and still contrib- uting by sending in donations or paying for courses. And again, it worked, because people never seem to tire of being told, You're so smart...you made the right decision... lookie here...even *science* thinks that TM is worth doing. And of course hoardes of OLD PEOPLE, wishing to be told that the hours they'd spent sitting on their butts (let alone bouncing on them) weren't wasted, lapped it up like dogs, and continue to. TMers *still* salivate over every celebrity mention, and every crap study presented as if it were real research. But the bottom line is that the TM movement is OLD, and dying. And so is its base. IT CANNOT COMPETE in the meditation marketplace with tech- niques that present themselves more honestly, such as mindful- ness meditation or other techniques still taught cheaply or for free. So it still tries to rely on celebrity and on pseudo- science to market itself to the rich people who are anxious to work their *own* image by appearing to be benevolent donors to good
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back
Very good, but the lil' quacker really oughta have a stethoscope around his neck... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Thanks. I oughta come out with a line of coffee mugs, huh? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for bringing up a traditional use of the mantra as pure sound value. I am hardly knowledgeable about the Veda, but it IS all about the transformation and manifestation of vibration (sound). Aside from doing my 9th grade science project on what sound waves at various frequencies look like, when iron filings on an aluminum sheet are laid atop a speaker, and later, all the TM stuff, that's about as far as it goes for me. Nowadays, its either my tinnitus, or everything sings, or both.:-) Doc, I really appreciate your writings about enlightenment. Spot on in my experience too. For a while I was thinking of saving your quips about this as aphorisms but I ain't got the time to edit that now. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Opinion - in a nutshell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: HaHa, good one :-)
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: This is the Video Obama Does Not Want you to See
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: This is the Video Obama Does Not Want you to See
Thankfully, Yahoo doesn't want us to see it either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Opinion - in a nutshell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: HaHa, good one :-) A huge following of 2; MJ and Sal :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: This is the Video Obama Does Not Want you to See
I think I saw the video he's talking about. But even if everyone in America saw it, it wouldn't make any difference. With all the footage on Obama that's out there suggesting his ties to anti-american ideology and domestic terrorists, it has had no affect on his popularity. He is still over 50% regardless of his effectiveness or lack thereof. There is no reason to try any harder to discredit him. He's been put at rockstar status and we may as well get used to it. Keep in mind, with all the footage and archives of GWB's ignorance, he was re-elected as well. Seems like once you get your foot in the door in American politics, it's like the mafia. Once you're a made man, you can do no wrong. Just look at Bill Clinton. Despite his affair with Lewinsky and a bold-faced lie straight to our faces, he still remains the most popular president in the last 40+ years. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Thankfully, Yahoo doesn't want us to see it either.
[FairfieldLife] FW: Re Maharishi Smarak inauguration, shiva linga, and rain...
Dear Friends, After returning to the Brahmasthan from the Sangam, Girish Varma explained about the rain that fell the day of the Maharishi Smarak inauguration..it was a torrential rain with high winds, and it came during a time normally of draught, so was very unusual. The rainy season has not started yet in India. Girish ji said that traditionally in a Smarak (memorial), a Shiva Linga is installed and the 'spirit' of the person being honored is said to come and be invested in the Lingam. So, for the Maharishi Smarak, Girishi ji hired a special kind of Sthapathi, an expert in this field, who prescribed the appropriate size and assigned the position within the Smarak for the placement of the Lingam. A Lingeshvara or naturally formed Lingam was chosen from those that are found in the holy Narmada river in Jabalpur, which of course is the area from which Maharishi's family comes. The Lingam is placed directly in front of Frances' beautiful painting of Maharishi, in the middle of the Smarak, on an elevated platform. I noticed it there after the inaugural ceremony and wondered about it. Early morning on the 15th February, according to muhurta, the Lingam was 'installed' by a group of pandits who did the proper ceremony. (Installed means that the Devata, in this case Maharishis's presence, is invited to come and be embodied in the lingam.) Then the inaugural ceremony was held later in the day, mid-afternoon, and it was interrupted by the downpour of rain and wind. Girish ji felt some concern whether this was appropriate on the inaugural day, even though we always think that rain accompanying a yagya shows the Devatas are happy. He felt a little disappointed that having worked so diligently for so many weeks and months to prepare for this day, they could not complete the inaugural ceremony in the way that they wished. So, he called the Sthapathi who organized for the Lingam and asked him, should it rain when the Lingam is installed, or not, what is expected? The man replied ...not that it should rain, it must rain. If the Lingam is properly placed and the Devata properly 'installed' by the pandits, then it must rain. He cited several verses from the Sthapathya Ved shastras regarding this and explained that when such an important Lingam is installed, the Devatas want to be the first to honor it with an offering, and therefore it must rain and the rain must fall on the Lingam. He said that the minute the first raindrop falls on the lingam, then the ceremony is complete and successful. He said it doesn't matter what else you may do during the day, or not, to entertain yourself that you are inaugurating the Smarak..the only thing that matters is that rain falls on the Lingam! So Girish ji was happy with this; but then he began to doubt, as he wondered if the rain actually had fallen on the Lingam. They had carefully installed a temporary roofing (as the final roofing is not yet complete), for the purpose of keeping sun and rain off the Smarak during the inauguration and until the designed roofing is complete. So he began to inquire about this. He found that the Sthapathi who had designed the Smarak (a man whose family has over 2,000 years of experience designing Vedic temples, Smaraks, etc., and who was also honored along with Eike ji and Roger ji for their work in designing the Smarak) was present in the Smarak when the rain began, along with 7-8 other people all of whom verified that when the rain started, some wind and/or weight of water created a crack in the temporary roofing so that not only a drop, but a steady stream of water (much like the stream of milk they pour on the Lingam during a Rudrabhishek) was seen falling directly onto the Lingam! One of those present Girish ji described as a saint who was there meditating quietly, and who opened his eyes when the rain began to fall on him as well, and he also saw it streaming onto the Lingam. Girish ji reported this to the Sthapati who designed the Lingam and they all were thrilled to know. The Sthapathi said this is the evidence that Maharishi's presence is very lively and full in the Lingam. I think this means that the Maharishi Smarak is much more than a memorial and temple of knowledge; it actually embodies Maharishi in a very real way. This makes it a place of pilgrimage of even greater significance. Love and Jai Guru Dev, Steve PS in the photo below you can see the Shiva Linga under Maharishi's painting, just near my shoulder. image001.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: This is the Video Obama Does Not Want you to See
Ur correct there as well to our nations regret In a message dated 2/25/2013 10:50:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, seekliberat...@yahoo.com writes: I think I saw the video he's talking about. But even if everyone in America saw it, it wouldn't make any difference. With all the footage on Obama that's out there suggesting his ties to anti-american ideology and domestic terrorists, it has had no affect on his popularity. He is still over 50% regardless of his effectiveness or lack thereof. There is no reason to try any harder to discredit him. He's been put at rockstar status and we may as well get used to it. Keep in mind, with all the footage and archives of GWB's ignorance, he was re-elected as well. Seems like once you get your foot in the door in American politics, it's like the mafia. Once you're a made man, you can do no wrong. Just look at Bill Clinton. Despite his affair with Lewinsky and a bold-faced lie straight to our faces, he still remains the most popular president in the last 40+ years. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Thankfully, Yahoo doesn't want us to see it either. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Choboji: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 02/25/2013
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Opinion - in a nutshell
Some of Barry's typical 'followers', on-pilers, can be seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoRZx0lCUTQ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've been staying out of the mock furor over one silly planted article in the NYTimes, allowing those who feel somehow invested in it one way or another to shoot their wads, and allowing at least one TB to make 38 posts in two days, either arguing about it or playing other ego games to puff up her imaginary self image. :-) But I will comment on the SADNESS of the TM movement these days, in terms of how it feels the need to market its products. First, as I commented on earlier, it has since Day One based most of its marketing appeal on the idiocy of the general public, and their tendency to believe that If someone famous does it/wears it/drives it, I should, too. Maharishi, like many Indians, was the utter personification of celebrity-worship and using these celebrities to make people believe that he had similar celebrity. It can be honestly speculated that if he hadn't run into the Beatles, no more than a few thousand people would *ever* have started TM. ( As an aside, and to underscore that it's not just TMers who are suckers for this blatant use of celebrities to sell things, did you know that companies pay celebrities *millions* of dollars to shill for them as their celebrity spokespersons? Kim Kardashian -- that vapid, unattractive, talentless bimbo who made herself famous by releasing a video of herself fucking and claimed it had been leaked -- now gets $10,000 every time she mentions a product on one of her TWEETS? Now *that* is insane. ) But the sad part is that the TMO *still* use this technique, because the OLD PEOPLE who run the TM movement 1) are so lacking in creativity that they can't think of any way to market their products that Maharishi didn't use himself, 2) they're OLD PEOPLE, still caught up in celebrity- worship themselves, and 3) the primary target of all of their marketing efforts are OLD PEOPLE like themselves, the hangers-on to the myth of the TM movement, not new TMers at all. The TMO has done such a shitty job with its image over the years that it simply *cannot* market TM as a stand- alone product competing with better and more reasonably priced forms of meditation. So they have to use celebrities to sell it, and *primarily to existing meditators*. THAT has been their real marketing strateqy since the late 1970s -- preaching to the converted, trying to get *them* to feel good about practicing TM so that they'll continue to flood the movement with donations. Fascinatingly, that is the approach that Maharishi fell back upon and that is still being used today to try to market TM to new people. It's still completely based on an appeal to OLD PEOPLE, and in particular *wealthy* OLD PEOPLE. *No one even tries* to present TM as a standalone product and sell it to the end users. Instead they pitch it as a panacea for social ills, and as a way to help the Victim Du Jour -- children, PTSD veterans, etc. The *entire appeal* is to rich OLD PEOPLE, to try to get them to contribute, either with their names (if they are celebrities) or with money, or both. One can say that the use of science to try to sell TM is an extension of the same idea. In our era, science itself is a bit of a celebrity -- claim that something is scientific and an astounding number of people will actually believe it. So they concocted pseudo-science based on Bad Protocols to make it *look* as if TM had some scientific validation, and again a large number of people bought into this. In my opinion, this all started NOT as an attempt to market TM to new people, but as a way to preach to the converted and keep existing OLD PEOPLE -- the TMO base -- on the hook and still contrib- uting by sending in donations or paying for courses. And again, it worked, because people never seem to tire of being told, You're so smart...you made the right decision... lookie here...even *science* thinks that TM is worth doing. And of course hoardes of OLD PEOPLE, wishing to be told that the hours they'd spent sitting on their butts (let alone bouncing on them) weren't wasted, lapped it up like dogs, and continue to. TMers *still* salivate over every celebrity mention, and every crap study presented as if it were real research. But the bottom line is that the TM movement is OLD, and dying. And so is its base. IT CANNOT COMPETE in the meditation marketplace with tech- niques that present themselves more honestly, such as mindful- ness meditation or other techniques still taught cheaply or for free. So it still tries to rely on celebrity and on pseudo- science to market itself to the rich
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Opinion - in a nutshell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: Some of Barry's typical 'followers', on-pilers, can be seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoRZx0lCUTQ That woman seems pretty excited. I'm pretty sure no one has mustered up that kind of enthusiasm for or over Barry. Most of his 'followers' appear more subdued. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've been staying out of the mock furor over one silly planted article in the NYTimes, allowing those who feel somehow invested in it one way or another to shoot their wads, and allowing at least one TB to make 38 posts in two days, either arguing about it or playing other ego games to puff up her imaginary self image. :-) But I will comment on the SADNESS of the TM movement these days, in terms of how it feels the need to market its products. First, as I commented on earlier, it has since Day One based most of its marketing appeal on the idiocy of the general public, and their tendency to believe that If someone famous does it/wears it/drives it, I should, too. Maharishi, like many Indians, was the utter personification of celebrity-worship and using these celebrities to make people believe that he had similar celebrity. It can be honestly speculated that if he hadn't run into the Beatles, no more than a few thousand people would *ever* have started TM. ( As an aside, and to underscore that it's not just TMers who are suckers for this blatant use of celebrities to sell things, did you know that companies pay celebrities *millions* of dollars to shill for them as their celebrity spokespersons? Kim Kardashian -- that vapid, unattractive, talentless bimbo who made herself famous by releasing a video of herself fucking and claimed it had been leaked -- now gets $10,000 every time she mentions a product on one of her TWEETS? Now *that* is insane. ) But the sad part is that the TMO *still* use this technique, because the OLD PEOPLE who run the TM movement 1) are so lacking in creativity that they can't think of any way to market their products that Maharishi didn't use himself, 2) they're OLD PEOPLE, still caught up in celebrity- worship themselves, and 3) the primary target of all of their marketing efforts are OLD PEOPLE like themselves, the hangers-on to the myth of the TM movement, not new TMers at all. The TMO has done such a shitty job with its image over the years that it simply *cannot* market TM as a stand- alone product competing with better and more reasonably priced forms of meditation. So they have to use celebrities to sell it, and *primarily to existing meditators*. THAT has been their real marketing strateqy since the late 1970s -- preaching to the converted, trying to get *them* to feel good about practicing TM so that they'll continue to flood the movement with donations. Fascinatingly, that is the approach that Maharishi fell back upon and that is still being used today to try to market TM to new people. It's still completely based on an appeal to OLD PEOPLE, and in particular *wealthy* OLD PEOPLE. *No one even tries* to present TM as a standalone product and sell it to the end users. Instead they pitch it as a panacea for social ills, and as a way to help the Victim Du Jour -- children, PTSD veterans, etc. The *entire appeal* is to rich OLD PEOPLE, to try to get them to contribute, either with their names (if they are celebrities) or with money, or both. One can say that the use of science to try to sell TM is an extension of the same idea. In our era, science itself is a bit of a celebrity -- claim that something is scientific and an astounding number of people will actually believe it. So they concocted pseudo-science based on Bad Protocols to make it *look* as if TM had some scientific validation, and again a large number of people bought into this. In my opinion, this all started NOT as an attempt to market TM to new people, but as a way to preach to the converted and keep existing OLD PEOPLE -- the TMO base -- on the hook and still contrib- uting by sending in donations or paying for courses. And again, it worked, because people never seem to tire of being told, You're so smart...you made the right decision... lookie here...even *science* thinks that TM is worth doing. And of course hoardes of OLD PEOPLE, wishing to be told that the hours they'd spent sitting on their butts (let alone bouncing on them) weren't wasted, lapped it up like dogs, and continue to. TMers *still* salivate over every celebrity mention, and every crap study presented as if it were real research. But the bottom line is that the TM movement is OLD,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Opinion - in a nutshell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: Some of Barry's typical 'followers', on-pilers, can be seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoRZx0lCUTQ That woman seems pretty excited. I'm pretty sure no one has mustered up that kind of enthusiasm for or over Barry. Most of his 'followers' appear more subdued. I thought that Barry's philosophical and cultural ponderings were eliciting quite some heated debate among his female followers at times, and there were three women there. I think it's simply the law of attraction. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've been staying out of the mock furor over one silly planted article in the NYTimes, allowing those who feel somehow invested in it one way or another to shoot their wads, and allowing at least one TB to make 38 posts in two days, either arguing about it or playing other ego games to puff up her imaginary self image. :-) But I will comment on the SADNESS of the TM movement these days, in terms of how it feels the need to market its products. First, as I commented on earlier, it has since Day One based most of its marketing appeal on the idiocy of the general public, and their tendency to believe that If someone famous does it/wears it/drives it, I should, too. Maharishi, like many Indians, was the utter personification of celebrity-worship and using these celebrities to make people believe that he had similar celebrity. It can be honestly speculated that if he hadn't run into the Beatles, no more than a few thousand people would *ever* have started TM. ( As an aside, and to underscore that it's not just TMers who are suckers for this blatant use of celebrities to sell things, did you know that companies pay celebrities *millions* of dollars to shill for them as their celebrity spokespersons? Kim Kardashian -- that vapid, unattractive, talentless bimbo who made herself famous by releasing a video of herself fucking and claimed it had been leaked -- now gets $10,000 every time she mentions a product on one of her TWEETS? Now *that* is insane. ) But the sad part is that the TMO *still* use this technique, because the OLD PEOPLE who run the TM movement 1) are so lacking in creativity that they can't think of any way to market their products that Maharishi didn't use himself, 2) they're OLD PEOPLE, still caught up in celebrity- worship themselves, and 3) the primary target of all of their marketing efforts are OLD PEOPLE like themselves, the hangers-on to the myth of the TM movement, not new TMers at all. The TMO has done such a shitty job with its image over the years that it simply *cannot* market TM as a stand- alone product competing with better and more reasonably priced forms of meditation. So they have to use celebrities to sell it, and *primarily to existing meditators*. THAT has been their real marketing strateqy since the late 1970s -- preaching to the converted, trying to get *them* to feel good about practicing TM so that they'll continue to flood the movement with donations. Fascinatingly, that is the approach that Maharishi fell back upon and that is still being used today to try to market TM to new people. It's still completely based on an appeal to OLD PEOPLE, and in particular *wealthy* OLD PEOPLE. *No one even tries* to present TM as a standalone product and sell it to the end users. Instead they pitch it as a panacea for social ills, and as a way to help the Victim Du Jour -- children, PTSD veterans, etc. The *entire appeal* is to rich OLD PEOPLE, to try to get them to contribute, either with their names (if they are celebrities) or with money, or both. One can say that the use of science to try to sell TM is an extension of the same idea. In our era, science itself is a bit of a celebrity -- claim that something is scientific and an astounding number of people will actually believe it. So they concocted pseudo-science based on Bad Protocols to make it *look* as if TM had some scientific validation, and again a large number of people bought into this. In my opinion, this all started NOT as an attempt to market TM to new people, but as a way to preach to the converted and keep existing OLD PEOPLE -- the TMO base -- on the hook and still contrib- uting by sending in donations or paying for courses. And again, it worked, because people never seem to tire of being told, You're so smart...you made the right decision... lookie here...even *science* thinks that TM is worth
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Opinion - in a nutshell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: Some of Barry's typical 'followers', on-pilers, can be seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoRZx0lCUTQ That woman seems pretty excited. I'm pretty sure no one has mustered up that kind of enthusiasm for or over Barry. Most of his 'followers' appear more subdued. I thought that Barry's philosophical and cultural ponderings were eliciting quite some heated debate among his female followers at times, and there were three women there. I think it's simply the law of attraction. I would tend to make a distinction between followers, meaning those who either like what I write or have a neutral attitude towards it, and on-pilers, who...uh... tend to obsess upon me negatively for their own reasons. As for seeing their...uh...charms revealed, I can't admit to ever having wondered about the former group, and can admit to an absolute aversion to seeing that in the latter group. I mean, given the age of some of my on-pilers, if we were looking at a photo of *their* breasts, we'd have to turn our monitors 90 degrees to use the full horizontal width of the screen vertically instead. Some of the aforementioned charms, after all, may droop considerably, requiring the extra vertical screen space. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I've been staying out of the mock furor over one silly planted article in the NYTimes, allowing those who feel somehow invested in it one way or another to shoot their wads, and allowing at least one TB to make 38 posts in two days, either arguing about it or playing other ego games to puff up her imaginary self image. :-) But I will comment on the SADNESS of the TM movement these days, in terms of how it feels the need to market its products. First, as I commented on earlier, it has since Day One based most of its marketing appeal on the idiocy of the general public, and their tendency to believe that If someone famous does it/wears it/drives it, I should, too. Maharishi, like many Indians, was the utter personification of celebrity-worship and using these celebrities to make people believe that he had similar celebrity. It can be honestly speculated that if he hadn't run into the Beatles, no more than a few thousand people would *ever* have started TM. ( As an aside, and to underscore that it's not just TMers who are suckers for this blatant use of celebrities to sell things, did you know that companies pay celebrities *millions* of dollars to shill for them as their celebrity spokespersons? Kim Kardashian -- that vapid, unattractive, talentless bimbo who made herself famous by releasing a video of herself fucking and claimed it had been leaked -- now gets $10,000 every time she mentions a product on one of her TWEETS? Now *that* is insane. ) But the sad part is that the TMO *still* use this technique, because the OLD PEOPLE who run the TM movement 1) are so lacking in creativity that they can't think of any way to market their products that Maharishi didn't use himself, 2) they're OLD PEOPLE, still caught up in celebrity- worship themselves, and 3) the primary target of all of their marketing efforts are OLD PEOPLE like themselves, the hangers-on to the myth of the TM movement, not new TMers at all. The TMO has done such a shitty job with its image over the years that it simply *cannot* market TM as a stand- alone product competing with better and more reasonably priced forms of meditation. So they have to use celebrities to sell it, and *primarily to existing meditators*. THAT has been their real marketing strateqy since the late 1970s -- preaching to the converted, trying to get *them* to feel good about practicing TM so that they'll continue to flood the movement with donations. Fascinatingly, that is the approach that Maharishi fell back upon and that is still being used today to try to market TM to new people. It's still completely based on an appeal to OLD PEOPLE, and in particular *wealthy* OLD PEOPLE. *No one even tries* to present TM as a standalone product and sell it to the end users. Instead they pitch it as a panacea for social ills, and as a way to help the Victim Du Jour -- children, PTSD veterans, etc. The *entire appeal* is to rich OLD PEOPLE, to try to get them to contribute, either with their names (if they are celebrities) or with money, or both.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Opinion - in a nutshell
On Feb 25, 2013, at 8:27 AM, navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: Some of Barry's typical 'followers', on-pilers, can be seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoRZx0lCUTQ That woman seems pretty excited. I'm pretty sure no one has mustered up that kind of enthusiasm for or over Barry. Most of his 'followers' appear more subdued. I thought that Barry's philosophical and cultural ponderings were eliciting quite some heated debate among his female followers at times, and there were three women there. I think it's simply the law of attraction. Raunchy - can you please post an appropriate video to put an end to this idiot's fantasies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I've been staying out of the mock furor over one silly planted article in the NYTimes, allowing those who feel somehow invested in it one way or another to shoot their wads, and allowing at least one TB to make 38 posts in two days, either arguing about it or playing other ego games to puff up her imaginary self image. :-) But I will comment on the SADNESS of the TM movement these days, in terms of how it feels the need to market its products. First, as I commented on earlier, it has since Day One based most of its marketing appeal on the idiocy of the general public, and their tendency to believe that If someone famous does it/wears it/drives it, I should, too. Maharishi, like many Indians, was the utter personification of celebrity-worship and using these celebrities to make people believe that he had similar celebrity. It can be honestly speculated that if he hadn't run into the Beatles, no more than a few thousand people would *ever* have started TM. ( As an aside, and to underscore that it's not just TMers who are suckers for this blatant use of celebrities to sell things, did you know that companies pay celebrities *millions* of dollars to shill for them as their celebrity spokespersons? Kim Kardashian -- that vapid, unattractive, talentless bimbo who made herself famous by releasing a video of herself fucking and claimed it had been leaked -- now gets $10,000 every time she mentions a product on one of her TWEETS? Now *that* is insane. ) But the sad part is that the TMO *still* use this technique, because the OLD PEOPLE who run the TM movement 1) are so lacking in creativity that they can't think of any way to market their products that Maharishi didn't use himself, 2) they're OLD PEOPLE, still caught up in celebrity- worship themselves, and 3) the primary target of all of their marketing efforts are OLD PEOPLE like themselves, the hangers-on to the myth of the TM movement, not new TMers at all. The TMO has done such a shitty job with its image over the years that it simply *cannot* market TM as a stand- alone product competing with better and more reasonably priced forms of meditation. So they have to use celebrities to sell it, and *primarily to existing meditators*. THAT has been their real marketing strateqy since the late 1970s -- preaching to the converted, trying to get *them* to feel good about practicing TM so that they'll continue to flood the movement with donations. Fascinatingly, that is the approach that Maharishi fell back upon and that is still being used today to try to market TM to new people. It's still completely based on an appeal to OLD PEOPLE, and in particular *wealthy* OLD PEOPLE. *No one even tries* to present TM as a standalone product and sell it to the end users. Instead they pitch it as a panacea for social ills, and as a way to help the Victim Du Jour -- children, PTSD veterans, etc. The *entire appeal* is to rich OLD PEOPLE, to try to get them to contribute, either with their names (if they are celebrities) or with money, or both. One can say that the use of science to try to sell TM is an extension of the same idea. In our era, science itself is a bit of a celebrity -- claim that something is scientific and an astounding number of people will actually believe it. So they concocted pseudo-science based on Bad Protocols to make it *look* as if TM had some scientific validation, and again a large number of people bought into this. In my opinion, this all started NOT as an attempt to market TM to new people, but as a way to preach to the converted and keep existing OLD PEOPLE -- the TMO base -- on the hook and still contrib- uting by sending
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Opinion - in a nutshell
For clarity, which female followers are you thinking of? From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Opinion - in a nutshell --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: Some of Barry's typical 'followers', on-pilers, can be seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoRZx0lCUTQ That woman seems pretty excited. I'm pretty sure no one has mustered up that kind of enthusiasm for or over Barry. Most of his 'followers' appear more subdued. I thought that Barry's philosophical and cultural ponderings were eliciting quite some heated debate among his female followers at times, and there were three women there. I think it's simply the law of attraction. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I've been staying out of the mock furor over one silly planted article in the NYTimes, allowing those who feel somehow invested in it one way or another to shoot their wads, and allowing at least one TB to make 38 posts in two days, either arguing about it or playing other ego games to puff up her imaginary self image. :-) But I will comment on the SADNESS of the TM movement these days, in terms of how it feels the need to market its products. First, as I commented on earlier, it has since Day One based most of its marketing appeal on the idiocy of the general public, and their tendency to believe that If someone famous does it/wears it/drives it, I should, too. Maharishi, like many Indians, was the utter personification of celebrity-worship and using these celebrities to make people believe that he had similar celebrity. It can be honestly speculated that if he hadn't run into the Beatles, no more than a few thousand people would *ever* have started TM. ( As an aside, and to underscore that it's not just TMers who are suckers for this blatant use of celebrities to sell things, did you know that companies pay celebrities *millions* of dollars to shill for them as their celebrity spokespersons? Kim Kardashian -- that vapid, unattractive, talentless bimbo who made herself famous by releasing a video of herself fucking and claimed it had been leaked -- now gets $10,000 every time she mentions a product on one of her TWEETS? Now *that* is insane. ) But the sad part is that the TMO *still* use this technique, because the OLD PEOPLE who run the TM movement 1) are so lacking in creativity that they can't think of any way to market their products that Maharishi didn't use himself, 2) they're OLD PEOPLE, still caught up in celebrity- worship themselves, and 3) the primary target of all of their marketing efforts are OLD PEOPLE like themselves, the hangers-on to the myth of the TM movement, not new TMers at all. The TMO has done such a shitty job with its image over the years that it simply *cannot* market TM as a stand- alone product competing with better and more reasonably priced forms of meditation. So they have to use celebrities to sell it, and *primarily to existing meditators*. THAT has been their real marketing strateqy since the late 1970s -- preaching to the converted, trying to get *them* to feel good about practicing TM so that they'll continue to flood the movement with donations. Fascinatingly, that is the approach that Maharishi fell back upon and that is still being used today to try to market TM to new people. It's still completely based on an appeal to OLD PEOPLE, and in particular *wealthy* OLD PEOPLE. *No one even tries* to present TM as a standalone product and sell it to the end users. Instead they pitch it as a panacea for social ills, and as a way to help the Victim Du Jour -- children, PTSD veterans, etc. The *entire appeal* is to rich OLD PEOPLE, to try to get them to contribute, either with their names (if they are celebrities) or with money, or both. One can say that the use of science to try to sell TM is an extension of the same idea. In our era, science itself is a bit of a celebrity -- claim that something is scientific and an astounding number of people will actually believe it. So they concocted pseudo-science based on Bad Protocols to make it *look* as if TM had some scientific validation, and again a large number of people bought into this. In my opinion, this all started NOT as an attempt to market TM to new people, but as a way to preach to the converted and keep existing OLD PEOPLE -- the TMO base -- on the hook and still contrib- uting by
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry - in a nutshell
AnnMamma mia! Perfecto! Grazie! Salute! From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:43 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry - in a nutshell
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry's Opinion - in a nutshell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: Some of Barry's typical 'followers', on-pilers, can be seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoRZx0lCUTQ Oh, you've got the wrong video. Here's the right one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_VhJeVvRZw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael
I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field. PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: How about Jack Forem? He just got added at the top. From NYTimes page: Jack Forem Boise, Idaho I recently released an updated version of a book on TM written in the 1970s. I thought the update would take me a couple of months, but the process of sorting through the vast amount of published, top-quality, peer-reviewed scientific research, and the number of compassionate and helpful programs such as those cited in the article on David Lynch's foundation, kept me engaged in research and writing for two years. I have practiced TM since 1967, taught it, and helped to train TM teachers. Yet I must say I was overwhelmed – and I do not use that word lightly – by the extent and depth of the benefits I uncovered in my research. From greatly improved health, better educational outcomes, stress reduction, and the awakening to higher states of consciousness, to replicated interventions in war-torn areas that resulted in calm and peace, the benefits of TM are thoroughly demonstrated and truly extraordinary. I find it sad that some misinformed and/or angry people find it necessary to attack such a good thing, that has helped, and is helping, so many. I would urge them to investigate more deeply and re-think their position. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-meditation.html?pagewanted=all_r=1; But all of these angry people are TMers for whom it didn't work or who got fed up with the way the organisation operated after working there for years and thus can't really be said to be misinformed. But their story was somehow neglected from his research?
[FairfieldLife] Interesting article about why women make up nicknames
Nicely written, funny at times, and insightful. Who knew about ghosting, and how afraid women were of it? http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/02/hows-hot-gym-boy-why-girls-make-up-names-for-the-guys-they-date/273461/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Re Maharishi Smarak inauguration, shiva linga, and rain...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Dear Friends, After returning to the Brahmasthan from the Sangam, Girish Varma explained about the rain that fell the day of the Maharishi Smarak inauguration..it was a torrential rain with high winds, and it came during a time normally of draught, so was very unusual. The rainy season has not started yet in India. Girish ji said that traditionally in a Smarak (memorial), a Shiva Linga is installed and the 'spirit' of the person being honored is said to come and be invested in the Lingam. So, for the Maharishi Smarak, Girishi ji hired a special kind of Sthapathi, an expert in this field, who prescribed the appropriate size and assigned the position within the Smarak for the placement of the Lingam. A Lingeshvara or naturally formed Lingam was chosen from those that are found in the holy Narmada river in Jabalpur, which of course is the area from which Maharishi's family comes. The Lingam is placed directly in front of Frances' beautiful painting of Maharishi, in the middle of the Smarak, on an elevated platform. I noticed it there after the inaugural ceremony and wondered about it. Early morning on the 15th February, according to muhurta, the Lingam was 'installed' by a group of pandits who did the proper ceremony. (Installed means that the Devata, in this case Maharishis's presence, is invited to come and be embodied in the lingam.) Then the inaugural ceremony was held later in the day, mid-afternoon, and it was interrupted by the downpour of rain and wind. Girish ji felt some concern whether this was appropriate on the inaugural day, even though we always think that rain accompanying a yagya shows the Devatas are happy. He felt a little disappointed that having worked so diligently for so many weeks and months to prepare for this day, they could not complete the inaugural ceremony in the way that they wished. So, he called the Sthapathi who organized for the Lingam and asked him, should it rain when the Lingam is installed, or not, what is expected? The man replied ...not that it should rain, it must rain. If the Lingam is properly placed and the Devata properly 'installed' by the pandits, then it must rain. He cited several verses from the Sthapathya Ved shastras regarding this and explained that when such an important Lingam is installed, the Devatas want to be the first to honor it with an offering, and therefore it must rain and the rain must fall on the Lingam. He said that the minute the first raindrop falls on the lingam, then the ceremony is complete and successful. He said it doesn't matter what else you may do during the day, or not, to entertain yourself that you are inaugurating the Smarak..the only thing that matters is that rain falls on the Lingam! So Girish ji was happy with this; but then he began to doubt, as he wondered if the rain actually had fallen on the Lingam. They had carefully installed a temporary roofing (as the final roofing is not yet complete), for the purpose of keeping sun and rain off the Smarak during the inauguration and until the designed roofing is complete. So he began to inquire about this. He found that the Sthapathi who had designed the Smarak (a man whose family has over 2,000 years of experience designing Vedic temples, Smaraks, etc., and who was also honored along with Eike ji and Roger ji for their work in designing the Smarak) was present in the Smarak when the rain began, along with 7-8 other people all of whom verified that when the rain started, some wind and/or weight of water created a crack in the temporary roofing so that not only a drop, but a steady stream of water (much like the stream of milk they pour on the Lingam during a Rudrabhishek) was seen falling directly onto the Lingam! One of those present Girish ji described as a saint who was there meditating quietly, and who opened his eyes when the rain began to fall on him as well, and he also saw it streaming onto the Lingam. Girish ji reported this to the Sthapati who designed the Lingam and they all were thrilled to know. The Sthapathi said this is the evidence that Maharishi's presence is very lively and full in the Lingam. I think this means that the Maharishi Smarak is much more than a memorial and temple of knowledge; it actually embodies Maharishi in a very real way. This makes it a place of pilgrimage of even greater significance. Love and Jai Guru Dev, Steve PS in the photo below you can see the Shiva Linga under Maharishi's painting, just near my shoulder. Pouring rain in the middle of a drought - pretty amazing !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality?
On 02/25/2013 02:21 AM, seekliberation wrote: After reading an article about California banning Yoga in schools, it made me think about liberalism in America and where it really stands on the subject of spirituality and development of consciousness. I always thought that of all states and all locations in America, the first one to welcome any form of Yoga, Meditation, and any other form of progressive teaching into its education or government programs, California would definitely be the first. The last element of our society that would promote such teachings would clearly be the ignorant, conservative, gun-toting military. Especially the Marine Corps, which attracts an exceedingly high percentage of conservatives. However, much to my surprise, in the last decade the entire US military has begun to make Yoga mandatory in its exercise program to include the Navy Seals, Marine Spec Ops units, the entire Army and many other units. Moreover, the Marine Corps just recently made meditation (not TM, but mindfulness meditation) a required portion of any Marine trying out for the Marine Corp's Special Operations Command. So essentially, it's the exact opposite of what anyone following spirituality in modern America would expect. The people liberals tend to hate the most (anyone from a disciplined or structured element of society) seem to be embracing eastern teachings more rapidly than groups that are predominantly liberal. In fact, my experience with people in the military is that they tend to be more open minded towards those types of teachings than a lot of liberal minded people I know. This brings me to a conclusion about liberals. I think they fall into different categories. You have some of the new-age spiritual types, like the ones who I remember from my days in Fairfield. Yes, they are all open-minded towards many controversial subjects such as gay marriage, and their views on economics leans towards socialism. But their inquisitive nature regarding spirituality indicates to me that they actually are an evolving culture in many ways. But then you have the other type of liberal. The purely atheist type like Bill Maher or Janeane Garafalo. They are likely to have the same social and economic views as the new-age spiritual type of liberal, but they are vehemently against spirituality and religion. This results in a resistance to any form of spirituality, and I can assure you that TM won't be welcome by such people, regardless of what scientific evidence you spew at them. In fact, I believe it is the scientific evidence that is guiding the military to embrace such teachings because it is logical and it works. Regarding liberals, I am beginning to believe that most liberals in the media and public spectrum fall in this category of people who are pre-dispositioned against spiritual and religious teachings. I think liberalism is leading us more and more towards atheism rather than faith in anything beyond what the 5 senses can percieve. I watch Bill Maher and other liberal shows often enough to know that they are representatives of a growing attitude throughout the country. And if you think about it, gravitating away from spirituality and religion is a must. I think it is sub-consciousness. We simply can't have a set of socio-economic moral guidelines anywhere in our society if we are going to behave in a socio-economically immoral manner. Regardless of how wrong or negative anyone's policies are, nobody wants to be wrong. Not even Hitler wanted to be wrong. If you read the translations of many of his speeches, they weren't maniacal, they were inspiring to a society that needed inspiration during hard times. He had logic that supported his decisions and actions. But to support the decisions and actions that Americans are currently disposed towards, and to feel right about it, the first step is to remove any teachings that provide moral guidelines that contradict the direction you want to move in. Hence, we must remove spirituality and religion from our society. Just watch Bill Maher or other popular liberal spokespersons and their attitude towards religion. They don't just point out that there are a lot of nutcases out there, they try to completely discredit every single religion. Sort of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You never see them attacking someone like Alan Watts or Eckhart Tolle. They simply expose only the weirdos, and ingores the geniuses. This is not in any way to say conservatives are right and liberals are wrong. I know many conservatives who are very ignorant about many things. I also know many people who believe deeply in Republican/Conservative politics but then they turn around and live a liberal lifestyle that is devoid of any personal responsibility. Hence, they are liberals in their actions and conservative in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality?
hi seekliberation, I very much enjoyed reading this. And though I don't agree with all of it, I agree with your main point which I hope I got right: that some liberals are moving away from religion and spirituality and that this is not good for either the spiritual or the material aspects of life. It's quite a conundrum that you present because on one hand liberalism can be seen as an offshoot of communism which had from its inception Karl Marx' idea that religion is the opiate of the masses. But on the other hand the conservative elements of contemporary society often align with religious extremism or at least fundamentalism. And these groups are also close minded. Where is the middle way between these two? That middle way just might be the military and other groups who are mainly interested in what works. In the presence of religions that are corrupt and those that are extreme, hopefully a rational humanism will emerge that can provide moral guidelines resonant with highly developed people. I'm thinking of Maslow's high functioning types. From: seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality? After reading an article about California banning Yoga in schools, it made me think about liberalism in America and where it really stands on the subject of spirituality and development of consciousness. I always thought that of all states and all locations in America, the first one to welcome any form of Yoga, Meditation, and any other form of progressive teaching into its education or government programs, California would definitely be the first. The last element of our society that would promote such teachings would clearly be the ignorant, conservative, gun-toting military. Especially the Marine Corps, which attracts an exceedingly high percentage of conservatives. However, much to my surprise, in the last decade the entire US military has begun to make Yoga mandatory in its exercise program to include the Navy Seals, Marine Spec Ops units, the entire Army and many other units. Moreover, the Marine Corps just recently made meditation (not TM, but mindfulness meditation) a required portion of any Marine trying out for the Marine Corp's Special Operations Command. So essentially, it's the exact opposite of what anyone following spirituality in modern America would expect. The people liberals tend to hate the most (anyone from a disciplined or structured element of society) seem to be embracing eastern teachings more rapidly than groups that are predominantly liberal. In fact, my experience with people in the military is that they tend to be more open minded towards those types of teachings than a lot of liberal minded people I know. This brings me to a conclusion about liberals. I think they fall into different categories. You have some of the new-age spiritual types, like the ones who I remember from my days in Fairfield. Yes, they are all open-minded towards many controversial subjects such as gay marriage, and their views on economics leans towards socialism. But their inquisitive nature regarding spirituality indicates to me that they actually are an evolving culture in many ways. But then you have the other type of liberal. The purely atheist type like Bill Maher or Janeane Garafalo. They are likely to have the same social and economic views as the new-age spiritual type of liberal, but they are vehemently against spirituality and religion. This results in a resistance to any form of spirituality, and I can assure you that TM won't be welcome by such people, regardless of what scientific evidence you spew at them. In fact, I believe it is the scientific evidence that is guiding the military to embrace such teachings because it is logical and it works. Regarding liberals, I am beginning to believe that most liberals in the media and public spectrum fall in this category of people who are pre-dispositioned against spiritual and religious teachings. I think liberalism is leading us more and more towards atheism rather than faith in anything beyond what the 5 senses can percieve. I watch Bill Maher and other liberal shows often enough to know that they are representatives of a growing attitude throughout the country. And if you think about it, gravitating away from spirituality and religion is a must. I think it is sub-consciousness. We simply can't have a set of socio-economic moral guidelines anywhere in our society if we are going to behave in a socio-economically immoral manner. Regardless of how wrong or negative anyone's policies are, nobody wants to be wrong. Not even Hitler wanted to be wrong. If you read the translations of many of his speeches, they weren't maniacal, they were inspiring to a society that needed inspiration
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael
What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field. PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: How about Jack Forem? He just got added at the top. From NYTimes page: Jack Forem Boise, Idaho I recently released an updated version of a book on TM written in the 1970s. I thought the update would take me a couple of months, but the process of sorting through the vast amount of published, top-quality, peer-reviewed scientific research, and the number of compassionate and helpful programs such as those cited in the article on David Lynch's foundation, kept me engaged in research and writing for two years. I have practiced TM since 1967, taught it, and helped to train TM teachers. Yet I must say I was overwhelmed – and I do not use that word lightly – by the extent and depth of the benefits I uncovered in my research. From greatly improved health, better educational outcomes, stress reduction, and the awakening to higher states of consciousness, to replicated interventions in war-torn areas that resulted in calm and peace, the benefits of TM are thoroughly demonstrated and truly extraordinary. I find it sad that some misinformed and/or angry people find it necessary to attack such a good thing, that has helped, and is helping, so many. I would urge them to investigate more deeply and re-think their position. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-meditation.html?pagewanted=all_r=1; But all of these angry people are TMers for whom it didn't work or who got fed up with the way the organisation operated after working there for years and thus can't really be said to be misinformed. But their story was somehow neglected from his research?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael
Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field. PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: How about Jack Forem? He just got added at the top. From NYTimes page: Jack Forem Boise, Idaho I recently released an updated version of a book on TM written in the 1970s. I thought the update would take me a couple of months, but the process of sorting through the vast amount of published, top-quality, peer-reviewed scientific research, and the number of compassionate and helpful programs such as those cited in the article on David Lynch's foundation, kept me engaged in research and writing for two years. I have practiced TM since 1967, taught it, and helped to train TM teachers. Yet I must say I was overwhelmed – and I do not use that word lightly – by the extent and depth of the benefits I uncovered in my research. From greatly improved health, better educational outcomes, stress reduction, and the awakening to higher states of consciousness, to replicated interventions in war-torn areas that resulted in calm and peace, the benefits of TM are thoroughly demonstrated and truly extraordinary. I find it sad that some misinformed and/or angry people find it necessary to attack such a good thing, that has helped, and is helping, so many. I would urge them to investigate more deeply and re-think their position. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-meditation.html?pagewanted=all_r=1; But all of these angry people are TMers for whom it didn't work or who got fed up with the way the organisation operated after working there for years and thus can't really be said to be misinformed. But their story was somehow neglected from his research?
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No dear MJ it doesn't - makes you look more retarded as each day passes. On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field. PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: How about Jack Forem? He just got added at the top. From NYTimes page: Jack Forem Boise, Idaho I recently released an updated version of a book on TM written in the 1970s. I thought the update would take me a couple of months, but the process of sorting through the vast amount of published, top-quality, peer-reviewed scientific research, and the number of compassionate and helpful programs such as those cited in the article on David Lynch's foundation, kept me engaged in research and writing for two years. I have practiced TM since 1967, taught it, and helped to train TM teachers. Yet I must say I was overwhelmed – and I do not use that word lightly – by the extent and depth of the benefits I uncovered in my research. From greatly improved health, better educational outcomes, stress reduction, and the awakening to higher states of consciousness, to replicated interventions in war-torn areas that resulted in calm and peace, the benefits of TM are thoroughly demonstrated and truly extraordinary. I find it sad that some misinformed and/or angry people find it necessary to attack such a good thing, that has helped, and is helping, so many. I would urge them to investigate more deeply and re-think their position. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-meditation.html?pagewanted=all_r=1; But all of these angry people are TMers for whom it didn't work or who got fed up with the way the organisation operated after working there for years and thus can't really be said to be misinformed. But their story was somehow neglected from his research?
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Dear MJ - Chant this 108 times every day it will help you calm down - The Channeler Sutra. - I have these memories. Or they're myths of another age or mythologized aspects of my psyche, archetypal truths or fabrications of my imaginative lunacy. You decide. To me they're memories. I rest in the center of the galaxy near the Great Central Sun, whole and in bliss, indwelling a nearby star, hanging in space, basking in the love. I commune with the Great Central Sun and the Great Central Yoni, our galaxy's great black hole vortex, from which the Milky Way sprang forth and to which it will return. Reference - http://www.iloveyouandforgiveyou.org/newbook.htm Love and Light, Ravi On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: No dear MJ it doesn't - makes you look more retarded as each day passes. On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field. PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: How about Jack Forem? He just got added at the top. From NYTimes page: Jack Forem Boise, Idaho I recently released an updated version of a book on TM written in the 1970s. I thought the update would take me a couple of months, but the process of sorting through the vast amount of published, top-quality, peer-reviewed scientific research, and the number of compassionate and helpful programs such as those cited in the article on David Lynch's foundation, kept me engaged in research and writing for two years. I have practiced TM since 1967, taught it, and helped to train TM teachers. Yet I must say I was overwhelmed – and I do not use that word lightly – by the extent and depth of the benefits I uncovered in my research. From greatly improved health, better educational outcomes, stress reduction, and the awakening to higher states of consciousness, to replicated interventions in war-torn areas that resulted in calm and peace, the benefits of TM are thoroughly demonstrated and truly extraordinary. I find it sad that some misinformed and/or angry people find it necessary to attack such a good thing, that has helped, and is helping, so many. I would urge them to investigate more deeply and re-think their position. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-meditation.html?pagewanted=all_r=1; But all of these angry people are TMers for whom it didn't work or who got fed up with the way the organisation operated after working there for years and thus can't really be said to be misinformed. But their story was somehow neglected from his research?
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You might actually have a good shot at replacing Jerry Lewis Ravi. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael No dear MJ it doesn't - makes you look more retarded as each day passes. On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field. PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: How about Jack Forem? He just got added at the top. From NYTimes page: Jack Forem Boise, Idaho I recently released an updated version of a book on TM written in the 1970s. I thought the update would take me a couple of months, but the process of sorting through the vast amount of published, top-quality, peer-reviewed scientific research, and the number of compassionate and helpful programs such as those cited in the article on David Lynch's foundation, kept me engaged in research and writing for two years. I have practiced TM since 1967, taught it, and helped to train TM teachers. Yet I must say I was overwhelmed – and I do not use that word lightly – by the extent and depth of the benefits I uncovered in my research. From greatly improved health, better educational outcomes, stress reduction, and the awakening to higher states of consciousness, to replicated interventions in war-torn areas that resulted in calm and peace, the benefits of TM are thoroughly demonstrated and truly extraordinary. I find it sad that some misinformed and/or angry people find it necessary to attack such a good thing, that has helped, and is helping, so many. I would urge them to investigate more deeply and re-think their position. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-meditation.html?pagewanted=all_r=1; But all of these angry people are TMers for whom it didn't work or who got fed up with the way the organisation operated after working there for years and thus can't really be said to be misinformed. But their story was somehow neglected from his research?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: No dear MJ it doesn't - makes you look more retarded as each day passes. It's interesting that the folks who make the most noise in promoting their ideas also seem to be the folks who are the most afraid of engaging with challenges to those ideas. On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field.
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I don't actually channel anymore Rav. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael Dear MJ - Chant this 108 times every day it will help you calm down - The Channeler Sutra. - I have these memories. Or they're myths of another age or mythologized aspects of my psyche, archetypal truths or fabrications of my imaginative lunacy. You decide. To me they're memories. I rest in the center of the galaxy near the Great Central Sun, whole and in bliss, indwelling a nearby star, hanging in space, basking in the love. I commune with the Great Central Sun and the Great Central Yoni, our galaxy's great black hole vortex, from which the Milky Way sprang forth and to which it will return. Reference - http://www.iloveyouandforgiveyou.org/newbook.htm Love and Light, Ravi On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: No dear MJ it doesn't - makes you look more retarded as each day passes. On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field. PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: How about Jack Forem? He just got added at the top. From NYTimes page: Jack Forem Boise, Idaho I recently released an updated version of a book on TM written in the 1970s. I thought the update would take me a couple of months, but the process of sorting through the vast amount of published, top-quality, peer-reviewed scientific research, and the number of compassionate and helpful programs such as those cited in the article on David Lynch's foundation, kept me engaged in research and writing for two years. I have practiced TM since 1967, taught it, and helped to train TM teachers. Yet I must say I was overwhelmed – and I do not use that word lightly – by the extent and depth of the benefits I uncovered in my research. From greatly improved health, better educational outcomes, stress reduction, and the awakening to higher states of consciousness, to replicated interventions in war-torn areas that resulted in calm and peace, the benefits of TM are thoroughly demonstrated and truly extraordinary. I find it sad that some misinformed and/or angry people find it necessary to attack such a good thing, that has helped, and is helping, so many. I would urge them to investigate more deeply and re-think their position. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-meditation.html?pagewanted=all_r=1; But all of these angry people are TMers for whom it didn't work or who got fed up with the way the organisation operated after working there for
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Oh my darling son MJ - you will ignore my instructions at your own peril. This powerful sutra - The Channeler Sutra - is the product of my incredible tapas I have been performing on the beautiful peaks of Sierra Nevadas over the last few weekends. Being Kali Yuga I am unable to travel to Himalayas - you are free to donate $1008 for this noble worthy cause. Dear son - I watched sinners ski while I rolled around naked in the snow as part of my incredible tapas. Being Kali Yuga - I had to buy the damn lift tickets- once again you are free to donate $108 for lift tickets. I see your aura my son, it is bright and you are destined to bring forth the light of 108 galaxies to the suffering humanity this lifetime. This would have been your last life time and you would have obtained moksha if not for the damn scientists who keep discovering more galaxies - so you will have to reincarnate. But fear not - you will have my grace and blessings to get off the wheel of death and rebirth. Love and blessings, Sri Sri Sri Bhagwan Ravi Yogi Maharaj Avatar of the age of Enlightenment Powerful healer, channeler On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: ** I don't actually channel anymore Rav. -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 1:26 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael Dear MJ - Chant this 108 times every day it will help you calm down - The Channeler Sutra. - I have these memories. Or they're myths of another age or mythologized aspects of my psyche, archetypal truths or fabrications of my imaginative lunacy. You decide. To me they're memories. I rest in the center of the galaxy near the Great Central Sun, whole and in bliss, indwelling a nearby star, hanging in space, basking in the love. I commune with the Great Central Sun and the Great Central Yoni, our galaxy's great black hole vortex, from which the Milky Way sprang forth and to which it will return. Reference - http://www.iloveyouandforgiveyou.org/newbook.htm Love and Light, Ravi On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: No dear MJ it doesn't - makes you look more retarded as each day passes. On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? -- *From:* Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 12:49 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. -- *From:* Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru -- *From:* Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field. PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. -- *From:* salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: How about Jack Forem? He just got added at the top. From NYTimes page: Jack Forem Boise, Idaho I recently released an updated version of a book on TM written in the 1970s. I thought the update would take me a couple of months, but the process of sorting through the vast amount of
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Maybe Ravi is right and I am retarded - that would explain why I have no idea how to respond to what seems pretty obvious to me - just because Oz has dough and climbed the fame ladder on Oprah's back does not make him an authority on all things in the Universe and when his pronouncements are at odds with what I have experienced with TM and its organization, I would be truly an idiot to just throw up my hands and say Oh Lawdy! Dr. Oz says its good so all my experiences must be wrong! Lemme run go git checked right quick and beg Bevan for forgiveness! Oz is an entertainer more than anything else and if you think he will go up against Oprah, the person who put him on the map then maybe you need lessons in critical thinking. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: No dear MJ it doesn't - makes you look more retarded as each day passes. It's interesting that the folks who make the most noise in promoting their ideas also seem to be the folks who are the most afraid of engaging with challenges to those ideas. On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? From: Share Long To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I wouldn't look at Bill Maher to be a bastion of liberalism. He is more of a limousine liberal. His opening monologues are so smarmy as to make me not watch the show. And it sometimes seems a Friday evening celebration of naive-liberalism. But then he'll have a guest or two worth watching. I have a hard time listening to a lot of Maher's dialogue just because he has this arrogant know-it-all attitude and he insults the intelligence of literally anyone who is not in agreement with his POV. But the reason I watch it anyway is because Maher is not bought or paid for by anyone. He's his own person with his own POV. It's original and occasionally he hits the nail on the head. However when it comes to religion I don't have much respect for it either. It seems to be the crumbs of spirituality. I consider spirituality above religion. Supposedly Zen masters would often deny some people from being students simply because they lacked the aptitude for practice. This was perceived as arrogance, and so a pseudo-Bhuddism was created. Same thing with the relationship of Sufism to Islam, Vedic Science to Hinduism, and Kabbalah to Judaism. Religion has to separate from Spirituality because many people have the 'Everybody Gets a Trophy' mentality. Regarding the military, I was once told by someone ex-military that that much of the poses like standing at attention came from yoga. And a friend's high ranking military dad practiced astrology as did John Philip Sousa. Much has been done over the last decade to create a left right divide. Perhaps the best thing to be is a humanitarian. Problem is, if being humanitarian became the goal, it would become the 'Humanitarian Movement' and it would turn into some sort of 'GroupThink' itself. And then before you know it, there would be no more humanitarianism. I hate this planet. seekliberation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality?
On 02/25/2013 10:54 AM, seekliberation wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I wouldn't look at Bill Maher to be a bastion of liberalism. He is more of a limousine liberal. His opening monologues are so smarmy as to make me not watch the show. And it sometimes seems a Friday evening celebration of naive-liberalism. But then he'll have a guest or two worth watching. I have a hard time listening to a lot of Maher's dialogue just because he has this arrogant know-it-all attitude and he insults the intelligence of literally anyone who is not in agreement with his POV. But the reason I watch it anyway is because Maher is not bought or paid for by anyone. He's his own person with his own POV. It's original and occasionally he hits the nail on the head. However when it comes to religion I don't have much respect for it either. It seems to be the crumbs of spirituality. I consider spirituality above religion. Supposedly Zen masters would often deny some people from being students simply because they lacked the aptitude for practice. This was perceived as arrogance, and so a pseudo-Bhuddism was created. Same thing with the relationship of Sufism to Islam, Vedic Science to Hinduism, and Kabbalah to Judaism. Religion has to separate from Spirituality because many people have the 'Everybody Gets a Trophy' mentality. Regarding the military, I was once told by someone ex-military that that much of the poses like standing at attention came from yoga. And a friend's high ranking military dad practiced astrology as did John Philip Sousa. Much has been done over the last decade to create a left right divide. Perhaps the best thing to be is a humanitarian. Problem is, if being humanitarian became the goal, it would become the 'Humanitarian Movement' and it would turn into some sort of 'GroupThink' itself. And then before you know it, there would be no more humanitarianism. I hate this planet. seekliberation You probably don't really hate the planet. At least if you lived in California and took the sunny walk I just returned from you wouldn't. What you hate is the state of society that has occurred. That has little to do with the planet as it does attitudes. Progressive talk host Thom Hartmann likes to cite some research showing that about every 80 years the planet goes through this struggle between authoritarianism and democracy. 80 years ago it was Germany, Italy and Japan being assholes. Right now much of the rest of the world sees the US as the Nazi Germany of the 21st century. This due to foreign military action and especially our bankers fraudulently selling them bad loan paper. Then there is the future shock of the Internet where someone in Africa or China might as well be sitting next to you. This has changed things dramatically and I don't think it was considered years ago by the arrogant bastards who were intent on social engineering the planet. They would like to take the Internet away from us and if that happens I guarantee there will be blood.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael
Well it makes it grosser. But grosser is not plainer. And it has nothing to do with taking the word of a famous, rich person. It has to do with taking the word of an intelligent, independent person who also happens to be rich and famous. That's what you keep avoiding, isn't it? That Dr. Oz is smart and completely independent of TMO. I'm guessing that's really what you can't reconcile with all your beliefs about TM. That someone really smart and successful and knowledgeable about health would choose to practice it. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field. PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: How about Jack Forem? He just got added at the top. From NYTimes page: Jack Forem Boise, Idaho I recently released an updated version of a book on TM written in the 1970s. I thought the update would take me a couple of months, but the process of sorting through the vast amount of published, top-quality, peer-reviewed scientific research, and the number of compassionate and helpful programs such as those cited in the article on David Lynch's foundation, kept me engaged in research and writing for two years. I have practiced TM since 1967, taught it, and helped to train TM teachers. Yet I must say I was overwhelmed – and I do not use that word lightly – by the extent and depth of the benefits I uncovered in my research. From greatly improved health, better educational outcomes, stress reduction, and the awakening to higher states of consciousness, to replicated interventions in war-torn areas that resulted in calm and peace, the benefits of TM are thoroughly demonstrated and truly extraordinary. I find it sad that some misinformed and/or angry people find it necessary to attack such a good thing, that has helped, and is helping, so many. I would urge them to investigate more deeply and re-think their position. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-meditation.html?pagewanted=all_r=1; But all of these angry people are TMers for whom it didn't work or who got fed up with the way the organisation operated after working there for years and thus can't really be said to be misinformed. But their story was somehow neglected from his research?
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael
Don't ask me what I think of your capacity for critical thinking, Michael. I'll just point out one thing, because it's symptomatic: You have a quite remarkable inability to discern where the folks you talk to here are coming from. I did a better job of debunking Oz's endorsement of TM in a post to Share last night than you've done below. Now read the last sentence of your post again and ponder how you could have gotten it so wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Maybe Ravi is right and I am retarded - that would explain why I have no idea how to respond to what seems pretty obvious to me - just because Oz has dough and climbed the fame ladder on Oprah's back does not make him an authority on all things in the Universe and when his pronouncements are at odds with what I have experienced with TM and its organization, I would be truly an idiot to just throw up my hands and say Oh Lawdy! Dr. Oz says its good so all my experiences must be wrong! Lemme run go git checked right quick and beg Bevan for forgiveness! Oz is an entertainer more than anything else and if you think he will go up against Oprah, the person who put him on the map then maybe you need lessons in critical thinking. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: No dear MJ it doesn't - makes you look more retarded as each day passes. It's interesting that the folks who make the most noise in promoting their ideas also seem to be the folks who are the most afraid of engaging with challenges to those ideas. On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? From: Share Long To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who cares about the Oscars?
The Oscars are the celebration of the self-appointed Emperors of Entertainment. They are pompous. Just listen to the big corny symphonic music they write especially for the show. All to please the overly wealthy studio execs not the public. The speeches remind me of high school valedictorian speeches and probably the givers should be brought to the state with the orchestra playing Pomp and Circumstance. If anything we have indeed entered the Caligula stage of the fall of the Empire. As for Argo I believe I reviewed it as being more worth a rental and not a movie ticket. Locally the remaining art house is scheduled to go away. It is a five auditorium theater some 8 miles from me whose centerpiece is one of the remaining dome auditoriums. The story goes that Cinearts who owned the complex over 10 years ago built a 16 auditorium theater across the freeway. The head of Cinearts loved independent and foreign film so made the old complex an art house complex which he had also done in other locations. He also disliked any more than two trailers to be shown before a film and no commercials. The chain was sold to Texas based Cinemark who did want to upgrade the art house as it does good business especially with seniors in the area who prefer such films. For a few years the shopping center sported an abandoned Wards store and eventually the northern half of the center was remodeled and a Kohl's moved in. But nothing happened to the southern half where the theater and a Bally fitness center was. The reason was that there were two owners of the center. The folks owning the northern half were in favor of improvements and went ahead where as the owner of the southern half wasn't. Recently it was announced the art house would be torn down sparking some outrage and yet another sporting goods store going in. These days art house films go direct to video. This includes some films that see limited release to theaters. You can find pre-theatrical releases on Vudu (now owned by Walmart), YouTube Movies and Amazon Instant Video. You pay a premium for the pre-release but if you are a family it is a good deal. As you might expect the old guard doesn't quite embrace this practice but Internet pioneer Mark Cuban does and his company Magnolia Films releases this way. So does Lionsgate and occasionally Sony Pictures. Argo and Zero Dark Thirty release on rental DVDs and BD on the 19th. On 02/25/2013 12:12 AM, seekliberation wrote: I never cared about the Oscars either. It always looked to me like a bunch of rich people patting themselves on the back for how awesome they are. Maybe i'm just looking at it in a negative way? I just never cared for watching festivities among the narcissist hollywood crowd. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Believe it or not being a film buff I really don't care about awards shows so won't bother with the Oscars and haven't in a long time. Actually the favored best picture, Argo, I have seen. It was probably one of the last movies I've gone out to see. BTW, some of the movies nominated will be available this coming month to rent. This week I see The Master is available for rent. Hollywood doesn't care much about art anymore just money. And they aren't even good at the latter these days.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael
man you are funny - even when you have a cussing fit aimed at me, I can only laugh - for some reason your energy always makes me think of the Jethro Tull song Jack in the Green From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael Oh my darling son MJ - you will ignore my instructions at your own peril. This powerful sutra - The Channeler Sutra - is the product of my incredible tapas I have been performing on the beautiful peaks of Sierra Nevadas over the last few weekends. Being Kali Yuga I am unable to travel to Himalayas - you are free to donate $1008 for this noble worthy cause. Dear son - I watched sinners ski while I rolled around naked in the snow as part of my incredible tapas. Being Kali Yuga - I had to buy the damn lift tickets- once again you are free to donate $108 for lift tickets. I see your aura my son, it is bright and you are destined to bring forth the light of 108 galaxies to the suffering humanity this lifetime. This would have been your last life time and you would have obtained moksha if not for the damn scientists who keep discovering more galaxies - so you will have to reincarnate. But fear not - you will have my grace and blessings to get off the wheel of death and rebirth. Love and blessings, Sri Sri Sri Bhagwan Ravi Yogi Maharaj Avatar of the age of Enlightenment Powerful healer, channeler On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't actually channel anymore Rav. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael Dear MJ - Chant this 108 times every day it will help you calm down - The Channeler Sutra. - I have these memories. Or they're myths of another age or mythologized aspects of my psyche, archetypal truths or fabrications of my imaginative lunacy. You decide. To me they're memories. I rest in the center of the galaxy near the Great Central Sun, whole and in bliss, indwelling a nearby star, hanging in space, basking in the love. I commune with the Great Central Sun and the Great Central Yoni, our galaxy's great black hole vortex, from which the Milky Way sprang forth and to which it will return. Reference - http://www.iloveyouandforgiveyou.org/newbook.htm Love and Light, Ravi On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: No dear MJ it doesn't - makes you look more retarded as each day passes. On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field. PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back --- In
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: man you are funny - even when you have a cussing fit aimed at me, I can only laugh - for some reason your energy always makes me think of the Jethro Tull song Jack in the Green I would have gone for Thick As A Brick. :-) From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... Oh my darling son MJ - you will ignore my instructions at your own peril. This powerful sutra - The Channeler Sutra - is the product of my incredible tapas I have been performing on the beautiful peaks of Sierra Nevadas over the last few weekends. Being Kali Yuga I am unable to travel to Himalayas - you are free to donate $1008 for this noble worthy cause. Dear son - I watched sinners ski while I rolled around naked in the snow as part of my incredible tapas. Being Kali Yuga - I had to buy the damn lift tickets- once again you are free to donate $108 for lift tickets. I see your aura my son, it is bright and you are destined to bring forth the light of 108 galaxies to the suffering humanity this lifetime. This would have been your last life time and you would have obtained moksha if not for the damn scientists who keep discovering more galaxies - so you will have to reincarnate. But fear not - you will have my grace and blessings to get off the wheel of death and rebirth. Love and blessings, Sri Sri Sri Bhagwan Ravi Yogi Maharaj Avatar of the age of Enlightenment Powerful healer, channeler On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I don't actually channel anymore Rav. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael Dear MJ - Chant this 108 times every day it will help you calm down - The Channeler Sutra. - I have these memories. Or they're myths of another age or mythologized aspects of my psyche, archetypal truths or fabrications of my imaginative lunacy. You decide. To me they're memories. I rest in the center of the galaxy near the Great Central Sun, whole and in bliss, indwelling a nearby star, hanging in space, basking in the love. I commune with the Great Central Sun and the Great Central Yoni, our galaxy's great black hole vortex, from which the Milky Way sprang forth and to which it will return. Reference - http://www.iloveyouandforgiveyou.org/newbook.htm Love and Light, Ravi On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: No dear MJ it doesn't - makes you look more retarded as each day passes. On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:  Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael  What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael  I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael  Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field.  PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ouch; HST Spam (?) 'welcoming committee' advice.
Back at Ya, Folks, but I had no idea this Group was so fragile. Enjoyed the spunky replies, but don't think I'll get to all that reading (who's Robin?). In time, you may start to like someone who knows beta-carrotene from beta-carbolines! Plus, I may come out your way to share images sent back from the Hubble Space Telescope, among others. New converts to Hubble-ism are swelling the ranks, with over 500,000 viewing the HST Deep Space segment on U-tube. U-too? And way-back then, executive governors had initiated over 500 people. I even went to MIU for a few semesters of core courses -- tough academics with smart students. Anyone remember a pod-band called, The Nasty Tendancy? --- On Thu, 2/21/13, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: (Ouch...) Alex--this is spam! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 21, 2013, 11:40 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: http://www.popmodal.com/video/1397/Idiocracy--Justice#v http://www.popmodal.com/video/1397/Idiocracy--Justice#v --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Ah hem. This hee-yar is the welcoming committee. For further reference to rules hee-yar, Okie migrants and Federal camps, read, The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck, page 345 and then some. You git to known some folks and the ladies in the sanitary unit number 4, and Navashok is like Jessie, the Chair. But they's switch off weekly. Soft porn is okay in written word, (that's why Navashok is in charge of that, she knows when things are getting way outta hand and will call you on it. Cranial pressure stuffs, we gots lot's of that round hee-yar. Touchless is preferable, that way it stays in the soft porn category and we gots no dancin or play actin either. The devil comes if...well, talk to the Turq about that! Jyotish as Ann mentioned in another post is good too. I hardly know how to spell it let alone suggest it might be good. Anyone want to do my chart? That is why soft porn is allowed, when peoples starts cuts and pastin slokas from Parasara Hora Shastra about ladies bodies parts and what is auspicious or not in very graphic detail, if I say so, except for the legs like banana trees, then it is cute and that is auspicious according to Parasara. :) Welcome from my side at least! Tell us about your pressure reducing practice and what your day job is? -Obbajeeba --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, david allen wrote: Oops, in trouble again.  I wuz just writing an intro to a seemingly inclusive group... This is an exclusive group. You should first read here a couple of month, before you start posting. You should also look into the archives, so that you know what it is all about. You should read a minimum of 10 long extended posts by maskedzebra, Jude could point out to you which ones are essential to read. You should also study the Barry /Judy wars, which go back 17 years, for that you should have a look at alt.meditation.transcendental. If you don't know what that is, Richard will explain it to you. You should also decide to which fraction you want to belong to, with whom you want to gang up, are you pro-TM or anti-TM, or do you even pretend to be neutral, are you pro or anti Robin. You could be pro-TM pro-Robin, anti-TM pro-Robin, anti-Robin pro-TM, or anti-Robin anti-TM, (did I forget something?) You could be also one of the 'freaks' (not meant in a bad way, just not fitting anywhere) with an exclusive topic like Sanskrit or Nokia or Chinese poetry or opera or latest movies. Once you have completed these initial steps, you are welcome to post almost anything, except porn and new Yahoo viruses.   --- On Wed, 2/20/13, authfriend wrote: From: authfriend Subject: [FairfieldLife] Alex--this is spam (was Re: Yer chatter is bulging my Inbox!) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 6:32 PM  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, david allen wrote: Kyho, Iowans!  I keep thinking to get off this chatter-group, but only for the unexpected volume of messaging.  there are plenty of interesting topics to help get a wider perception of what You Folks are pondering out there.  And just curious, are there good career-opportunities in FF for aging executive-governors?  Finally grok-ing some of the diverse spiritual development advice practices i've endured or enjoyed,  i might be a good candidate for any quiet, guidance-oriented opening in Fairfield, or environs.  As a registered craniosacral therapist, i figure that You All, like everybody, could use some quiet, extended-touch sessions. Using a
[FairfieldLife] Yahoo's Conundrum
Yahoo's CEO Melissa Mayer just announced that workers who telecommute must now come to the office to work. Somehow she thinks that seeing people face to face will improve things there. My bet is it won't. Mayer apparently is a bit clueless about how her programmers work. In many cases you can get a lot more done at home. Now I say that as being a manager who in the early 1990s had to bring my offsite workers in to the office. One thanked me because he found it difficult to work at home and another became so upset about it that I had to fire him. The people managing the project he was working on complained to me he wouldn't even come in for meetings with them. Thing is in the early 1990s there were not the tools available there are now for telecommuting and even holding meetings that way. Working at home DOES take some discipline. In my company's case these people didn't live very far away and the commute for me (13 miles) wasn't even inconvenient. We were also situated next to a BART station which made commutes easy for those who came from other locations in the Bay Area. But this isn't always true. We were out of the way of Silicon Valley and not even located in San Francisco. Companies today seem to choose prestigious locations over worker accessibility. BART is a terrible and expensive solution. It is difficult increase trains and build out. Unlike cities like Chicago where one transit ticket works on different transit systems you have to have a ticket or pass for each different system. And now Bay Area highways are the most congested in the country. If someone in SF made an offer I couldn't refuse I would still drive because BART, even though there's a station 5 miles down the road, won't work for me. In fact my feelers out for more regular work are mainly for telecommuting or contracting situations. But HR people often take such requirements as he doesn't want to work which is something often teach these people and something I disregarded when hiring. Programmers work like fine artists. They can work from morning to midnight easily lost in their work. They may not like to be interrupted. Even Microsoft recognized this and programmers I know who worked there had very flexible hours and extra days off if they finished their part of the project early. So I don't expect Yahoo Groups to operate any better because of Mayer's mandate.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ouch; HST Spam (?) 'welcoming committee' advice.
When I went to MIU on my flying bloc there was a blues band there - 4 guys I think - they did this hilarious song about going to the Dome with out your id card - Bevan nearly fell over laughing. From: david allen davac...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: dave dukely davac...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ouch; HST Spam (?) 'welcoming committee' advice. Back at Ya, Folks, but I had no idea this Group was so fragile. Enjoyed the spunky replies, but don't think I'll get to all that reading (who's Robin?). In time, you may start to like someone who knows beta-carrotene from beta-carbolines! Plus, I may come out your way to share images sent back from the Hubble Space Telescope, among others. New converts to Hubble-ism are swelling the ranks, with over 500,000 viewing the HST Deep Space segment on U-tube. U-too? And way-back then, executive governors had initiated over 500 people. I even went to MIU for a few semesters of core courses -- tough academics with smart students. Anyone remember a pod-band called, The Nasty Tendancy? --- On Thu, 2/21/13, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: (Ouch...) Alex--this is spam! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 21, 2013, 11:40 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: http://www.popmodal.com/video/1397/Idiocracy--Justice#v http://www.popmodal.com/video/1397/Idiocracy--Justice#v --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Ah hem. This hee-yar is the welcoming committee. For further reference to rules hee-yar, Okie migrants and Federal camps, read, The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck, page 345 and then some. You git to known some folks and the ladies in the sanitary unit number 4, and Navashok is like Jessie, the Chair. But they's switch off weekly. Soft porn is okay in written word, (that's why Navashok is in charge of that, she knows when things are getting way outta hand and will call you on it. Cranial pressure stuffs, we gots lot's of that round hee-yar. Touchless is preferable, that way it stays in the soft porn category and we gots no dancin or play actin either. The devil comes if...well, talk to the Turq about that! Jyotish as Ann mentioned in another post is good too. I hardly know how to spell it let alone suggest it might be good. Anyone want to do my chart? That is why soft porn is allowed, when peoples starts cuts and pastin slokas from Parasara Hora Shastra about ladies bodies parts and what is auspicious or not in very graphic detail, if I say so, except for the legs like banana trees, then it is cute and that is auspicious according to Parasara. :) Welcome from my side at least! Tell us about your pressure reducing practice and what your day job is? -Obbajeeba --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, david allen wrote: Oops, in trouble again.  I wuz just writing an intro to a seemingly inclusive group... This is an exclusive group. You should first read here a couple of month, before you start posting. You should also look into the archives, so that you know what it is all about. You should read a minimum of 10 long extended posts by maskedzebra, Jude could point out to you which ones are essential to read. You should also study the Barry /Judy wars, which go back 17 years, for that you should have a look at alt.meditation.transcendental. If you don't know what that is, Richard will explain it to you. You should also decide to which fraction you want to belong to, with whom you want to gang up, are you pro-TM or anti-TM, or do you even pretend to be neutral, are you pro or anti Robin. You could be pro-TM pro-Robin, anti-TM pro-Robin, anti-Robin pro-TM, or anti-Robin anti-TM, (did I forget something?) You could be also one of the 'freaks' (not meant in a bad way, just not fitting anywhere) with an exclusive topic like Sanskrit or Nokia or Chinese poetry or opera or latest movies. Once you have completed these initial steps, you are welcome to post almost anything, except porn and new Yahoo viruses.   --- On Wed, 2/20/13, authfriend wrote: From: authfriend Subject: [FairfieldLife] Alex--this is spam (was Re: Yer chatter is bulging my Inbox!) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 6:32 PM  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, david allen wrote: Kyho, Iowans!  I keep thinking to get off this chatter-group, but only for the unexpected volume of messaging.  there are plenty of interesting topics to help get a wider perception of what You Folks are pondering
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality?
you're correct about my main point, and yes, I did go on a bit of a rant based on some personal irritations which may be a little biased based on personal experience. I do believe that the direction liberalism is taking us is good spiritually or matierially. But at the same time, I really don't want to go back to the '1920s' mentality that a lot of conservatives seem to gravitate towards. Personally, I just wish we could take the good parts of both views and discard the bad. But that would involve breaking down our tendency to identify with 'group-thinking', which is contrary to most people's nature. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hi seekliberation, I very much enjoyed reading this. And though I don't agree with all of it, I agree with your main point which I hope I got right: that some liberals are moving away from religion and spirituality and that this is not good for either the spiritual or the material aspects of life. It's quite a conundrum that you present because on one hand liberalism can be seen as an offshoot of communism which had from its inception Karl Marx' idea that religion is the opiate of the masses. But on the other hand the conservative elements of contemporary society often align with religious extremism or at least fundamentalism. And these groups are also close minded. Where is the middle way between these two? That middle way just might be the military and other groups who are mainly interested in what works. In the presence of religions that are corrupt and those that are extreme, hopefully a rational humanism will emerge that can provide moral guidelines resonant with highly developed people. I'm thinking of Maslow's high functioning types.     From: seekliberation seekliberation@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is liberalism becoming anti-spirituality?  After reading an article about California banning Yoga in schools, it made me think about liberalism in America and where it really stands on the subject of spirituality and development of consciousness. I always thought that of all states and all locations in America, the first one to welcome any form of Yoga, Meditation, and any other form of progressive teaching into its education or government programs, California would definitely be the first. The last element of our society that would promote such teachings would clearly be the ignorant, conservative, gun-toting military. Especially the Marine Corps, which attracts an exceedingly high percentage of conservatives. However, much to my surprise, in the last decade the entire US military has begun to make Yoga mandatory in its exercise program to include the Navy Seals, Marine Spec Ops units, the entire Army and many other units. Moreover, the Marine Corps just recently made meditation (not TM, but mindfulness meditation) a required portion of any Marine trying out for the Marine Corp's Special Operations Command. So essentially, it's the exact opposite of what anyone following spirituality in modern America would expect. The people liberals tend to hate the most (anyone from a disciplined or structured element of society) seem to be embracing eastern teachings more rapidly than groups that are predominantly liberal. In fact, my experience with people in the military is that they tend to be more open minded towards those types of teachings than a lot of liberal minded people I know. This brings me to a conclusion about liberals. I think they fall into different categories. You have some of the new-age spiritual types, like the ones who I remember from my days in Fairfield. Yes, they are all open-minded towards many controversial subjects such as gay marriage, and their views on economics leans towards socialism. But their inquisitive nature regarding spirituality indicates to me that they actually are an evolving culture in many ways. But then you have the other type of liberal. The purely atheist type like Bill Maher or Janeane Garafalo. They are likely to have the same social and economic views as the new-age spiritual type of liberal, but they are vehemently against spirituality and religion. This results in a resistance to any form of spirituality, and I can assure you that TM won't be welcome by such people, regardless of what scientific evidence you spew at them. In fact, I believe it is the scientific evidence that is guiding the military to embrace such teachings because it is logical and it works. Regarding liberals, I am beginning to believe that most liberals in the media and public spectrum fall in this category of people who are pre-dispositioned against spiritual and religious teachings. I think liberalism is leading us
[FairfieldLife] Snapshot of the Movement.
Just had to reproduce a comment posted on the David Lynch article * Griffin * Iowa I used to work in a TM store in Iowa City, close to the home base of Fairfield. The name kept changing from Maharishi to Enlightenment to finally Invincibility Center before closing in 2007. Including the in sale terminal was the price list for becoming a true TM-er: $3500 for the introductory course, another $3500 for the next level, $5000 to learn how to yogic fly, which looked incredibly painful from the videos, and then there was the supplemental vitamins, organic cotton clothing of low quality, and, my personal favorite, Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey which came from somewhere in the rainforest (location unspecified) and was packaged in a singing container. Can't afford the classes? Go to Maharishi University and use Stafford loans to pay for it was what I was to tell customers. Those research studies proving effectiveness? The authors don't know the difference between r and r^2 in statistics. And they're self-published. When higher-ups came to inspect the store, I found out why the prices were so high--men with self-proclaimed doctorates in TM showed up in white linen robes with gold crowns, chauffeured about in white limousines. I'm glad that Lynch found some peace from TM, but it ain't his (or the Beatles') old ways. TM-ers have gone full-on Scientology, and Lynch can't see it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Re Maharishi Smarak inauguration, shiva linga, and rain...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: A Lingeshvara or naturally formed Lingam was chosen from those that are found in the holy Narmada river in Jabalpur, which of course is the area from which Maharishi's family comes. The movements reference to Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom http://divine-energytools.com/category/narmada-bana-lingas/ I would have gone for a Shaligrama http://divine-energytools.com/2009/08/about-divine-salagramas-saligramas-shaligrams-faqs/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ouch; HST Spam (?) 'welcoming committee' advice.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: When I went to MIU on my flying bloc there was a blues band there - 4 guys I think - they did this hilarious song about going to the Dome with out your id card - Bevan nearly fell over laughing. I have a secret video here, when Buck was trying to get in the dome, but they wouldn't let him go, as he didn't have a badge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-eifcRPOn4 From: david allen davaceta@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: dave dukely davaceta@... Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ouch; HST Spam (?) 'welcoming committee' advice.  Back at Ya, Folks, but I had no idea this Group was so fragile. Enjoyed the spunky replies, but don't think I'll get to all that reading (who's Robin?).  In time, you may start to like someone who knows beta-carrotene from beta-carbolines!   Plus, I may come out your way to share images sent back from the Hubble Space Telescope, among others. New converts to Hubble-ism are swelling the ranks, with over 500,000 viewing the HST Deep Space segment on U-tube. U-too?  And way-back then, executive governors had initiated over 500 people.  I even went to MIU for a few semesters of core courses -- tough academics with smart students. Anyone remember a pod-band called, The Nasty Tendancy?     --- On Thu, 2/21/13, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: From: Ann awoelflebater@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: (Ouch...) Alex--this is spam! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 21, 2013, 11:40 PM  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: http://www.popmodal.com/video/1397/Idiocracy--Justice#v http://www.popmodal.com/video/1397/Idiocracy--Justice#v --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Ah hem. This hee-yar is the welcoming committee. For further reference to rules hee-yar, Okie migrants and Federal camps, read, The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck, page 345 and then some. You git to known some folks and the ladies in the sanitary unit number 4, and Navashok is like Jessie, the Chair. But they's switch off weekly. Soft porn is okay in written word, (that's why Navashok is in charge of that, she knows when things are getting way outta hand and will call you on it. Cranial pressure stuffs, we gots lot's of that round hee-yar. Touchless is preferable, that way it stays in the soft porn category and we gots no dancin or play actin either. The devil comes if...well, talk to the Turq about that! Jyotish as Ann mentioned in another post is good too. I hardly know how to spell it let alone suggest it might be good. Anyone want to do my chart? That is why soft porn is allowed, when peoples starts cuts and pastin slokas from Parasara Hora Shastra about ladies bodies parts and what is auspicious or not in very graphic detail, if I say so, except for the legs like banana trees, then it is cute and that is auspicious according to Parasara. :) Welcome from my side at least! Tell us about your pressure reducing practice and what your day job is? -Obbajeeba --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, david allen wrote: Oops, in trouble again.à à I wuz just writing an introà to a seemingly inclusive group... This is an exclusive group. You should first read here a couple of month, before you start posting. You should also look into the archives, so that you know what it is all about. You should read a minimum of 10 long extended posts by maskedzebra, Jude could point out to you which ones are essential to read. You should also study the Barry /Judy wars, which go back 17 years, for that you should have a look at alt.meditation.transcendental. If you don't know what that is, Richard will explain it to you. You should also decide to which fraction you want to belong to, with whom you want to gang up, are you pro-TM or anti-TM, or do you even pretend to be neutral, are you pro or anti Robin. You could be pro-TM pro-Robin, anti-TM pro-Robin, anti-Robin pro-TM, or anti-Robin anti-TM, (did I forget something?) You could be also one of the 'freaks' (not meant in a bad way, just not fitting anywhere) with an exclusive topic like Sanskrit or Nokia or Chinese poetry or opera or latest movies. Once you have completed these initial steps, you are welcome to post almost anything, except porn and new Yahoo viruses. à à --- On Wed, 2/20/13, authfriend wrote: From: authfriend Subject: [FairfieldLife] Alex--this is spam (was Re: Yer chatter is bulging my Inbox!) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday,
[FairfieldLife] Oh damn!
I just laughed like hell when I saw this as part of a comment on the David Lynch NY Times Article My personal experience is that the TM organization is perhaps the most charitable, straightforward organization in the world
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh damn!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I just laughed like hell... Which of your spirits taught you that ? My personal experience is that the TM organization is perhaps the most charitable, straightforward organization in the world
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael
Share stated: So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? That's like saying, How do you explain that someone like Dr. Francis Collins who is smart, successful, healthy, and a respected scientist that helped discover the human genome practicing prayer and sharing about Christianity and his belief in God? Point being, there are smart, successful, healthy people all over the planet that practice/believe different things. And now I think of Keith Richards. He sure seems to be keeping keeping on in spite of his practices. I wonder if he does TM? ;) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael  I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael  Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field.  PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: How about Jack Forem? He just got added at the top. From NYTimes page: Jack Forem Boise, Idaho I recently released an updated version of a book on TM written in the 1970s. I thought the update would take me a couple of months, but the process of sorting through the vast amount of published, top-quality, peer-reviewed scientific research, and the number of compassionate and helpful programs such as those cited in the article on David Lynch's foundation, kept me engaged in research and writing for two years. I have practiced TM since 1967, taught it, and helped to train TM teachers. Yet I must say I was overwhelmed â and I do not use that word lightly â by the extent and depth of the benefits I uncovered in my research. From greatly improved health, better educational outcomes, stress reduction, and the awakening to higher states of consciousness, to replicated interventions in war-torn areas that resulted in calm and peace, the benefits of TM are thoroughly demonstrated and truly extraordinary. I find it sad that some misinformed and/or angry people find it necessary to attack such a good thing, that has helped, and is helping, so many. I would urge them to investigate more deeply and re-think their position. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-meditation.html?pagewanted=all_r=1; But all of these angry people are TMers for whom it didn't work or who got fed up with the way the organisation operated after working there for years and thus can't really be said to be misinformed. But their story was somehow neglected from his research?
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael
I should proof read better... That's like saying, 'How do you explain that someone like Dr. Francis Collins (who is smart, successful, healthy, and a respected scientist that helped discover the human genome) practices prayer and shares about Christianity and his belief in God?' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: Share stated: So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? That's like saying, How do you explain that someone like Dr. Francis Collins who is smart, successful, healthy, and a respected scientist that helped discover the human genome practicing prayer and sharing about Christianity and his belief in God? Point being, there are smart, successful, healthy people all over the planet that practice/believe different things. And now I think of Keith Richards. He sure seems to be keeping keeping on in spite of his practices. I wonder if he does TM? ;) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: What I notice is how you evade the real point. Which I'll elucidate by saying that I don't consider The Donald as healthy. So again, if you are able, how do you explain that someone like Dr. Oz, smart, successful and healthy, practices and promotes TM? I'm also noticing that none of the anti TM people can answer this one. And so they are evading it. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael  I don't take the amount of money or fame someone has as an edict to do what they recommend. If I did, I would have Donal Trump as my guru From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Emily and Michael  Michael, I'm genuinely curious: how do you reconcile all that you believe about TM with the fact that someone as smart and successful and healthy as Dr. Oz practices TM and endorses it? I'm thinking that for famous people like Lynch and Paul McCartney, Howard Stern and Seinfeld, etc. they're just grateful to have found a technique that enables them to not only survive but thrive in the very demanding entertainment field.  PS to Emily, thanks for your reply smile. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: How about Jack Forem? He just got added at the top. From NYTimes page: Jack Forem Boise, Idaho I recently released an updated version of a book on TM written in the 1970s. I thought the update would take me a couple of months, but the process of sorting through the vast amount of published, top-quality, peer-reviewed scientific research, and the number of compassionate and helpful programs such as those cited in the article on David Lynch's foundation, kept me engaged in research and writing for two years. I have practiced TM since 1967, taught it, and helped to train TM teachers. Yet I must say I was overwhelmed â and I do not use that word lightly â by the extent and depth of the benefits I uncovered in my research. From greatly improved health, better educational outcomes, stress reduction, and the awakening to higher states of consciousness, to replicated interventions in war-torn areas that resulted in calm and peace, the benefits of TM are thoroughly demonstrated and truly extraordinary. I find it sad that some misinformed and/or angry people find it necessary to attack such a good thing, that has helped, and is helping, so many. I would urge them to investigate more deeply and re-think their position. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/david-lynch-transcendental-meditation.html?pagewanted=all_r=1; But all of these angry people are TMers for whom it didn't work or who got fed up with the way the organisation operated after working there for years and thus can't really be said to be misinformed. But their story was somehow neglected from his research?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.
[...] Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey which came from somewhere in the rainforest (location unspecified) and was packaged in a singing container.[...] Wonder what a singing container is? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Just had to reproduce a comment posted on the David Lynch article * Griffin * Iowa I used to work in a TM store in Iowa City, close to the home base of Fairfield. The name kept changing from Maharishi to Enlightenment to finally Invincibility Center before closing in 2007. Including the in sale terminal was the price list for becoming a true TM-er: $3500 for the introductory course, another $3500 for the next level, $5000 to learn how to yogic fly, which looked incredibly painful from the videos, and then there was the supplemental vitamins, organic cotton clothing of low quality, and, my personal favorite, Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey which came from somewhere in the rainforest (location unspecified) and was packaged in a singing container. Can't afford the classes? Go to Maharishi University and use Stafford loans to pay for it was what I was to tell customers. Those research studies proving effectiveness? The authors don't know the difference between r and r^2 in statistics. And they're self-published. When higher-ups came to inspect the store, I found out why the prices were so high--men with self-proclaimed doctorates in TM showed up in white linen robes with gold crowns, chauffeured about in white limousines. I'm glad that Lynch found some peace from TM, but it ain't his (or the Beatles') old ways. TM-ers have gone full-on Scientology, and Lynch can't see it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh damn!
My own Holy Spirit, dummy From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh damn! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I just laughed like hell... Which of your spirits taught you that ? My personal experience is that the TM organization is perhaps the most charitable, straightforward organization in the world
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:23 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement. [...] Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey which came from somewhere in the rainforest (location unspecified) and was packaged in a singing container.[...] Wonder what a singing container is? I believe it sang this song when you opened the lid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q7ffGdfbqs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael
Let's see - there are a whole bunch of people who practice and tout TM who could variously be characterized as Bliss Ninny's and other such names, I should start TM again because he agrees with them? Should I take his word for it when he agrees with, hmmm let's see, the German Purusha guys I have read about here on FFL who wear swastikas under their ties and party when it is Hitler's birthday? Or should I continue to chart my own course? The bottom line answer to your question is six fold, Shary. One - I am confident enough in my own experience and ability to decide things for myself that I do not suddenly reverse course on the word of a celebrity who owes his fame to Oprah and is unwilling to disagree with her. Two - I agree he is intelligent and the fact that he thinks TM is a good thing, I don't hold against him. One day I trust he will come out of that particular delusion. Three - Other intelligent people, like me, were deluded by Marshy and TM sales pitches, cuz that is exactly what they have always been, sales pitches. Therefore I don't hold it against him that he too is deluded about TM. Four - This is speculation, but I do not believe he has the benefit of the experiences of seeing some of the things I have seen in TM - abusive behavior on the part of TM longtimers especially the popinjay Governors with a little bit of TM authority and the unstressing phenomenon, particularly that seen on long rounding courses. Were he aware of these things, I trust he would be intelligent enough to alter his opinion of TM and its pimps. Five - He is unaware the TMO treats himself and all TM celebrities far differently than they treat rank and file meditators, sidhas and Governors who have no money, celebrity or TM authority within the Movement. As an aside, I must admit that the TMO is an equal opportunity abuser. Those donkeys will abuse anyone whom they think they have authority over, be they meditators or Governors. The difference in treatment of celebrities and money people on the one hand and regular folks on the other were he to see it, I am sure his magnificent intelligence would enable him to question the efficacy of TM. Six - I agree that the simple practice of TM itself can make one feel refreshed and rested under the right circumstances (i.e. - the TM meditator generally has to have had a good night's sleep the night before, can't be hung over, kapha, pitta and vata has to be balanced just right, has to sleep in a vastu ved house, had the proper amount of Amrit Kalash upon arising, had the proper amount of yagyas done that month, but only by a certified Marshy pundit) with all those parameters being met, one can feel good after TM. But this does not happen because there is something special about TM itself, contrary to what Bobby Roth, David Lynch, Johnnie Hagelin and all the other TM pimps claim. It happens because Pure Awareness is natural and we connect with it, we are it, every minute of every day. Just settling in and getting quiet or using other mantras or following the breath will do it. TM people believe TM is superior for one reason - because Marshy said it was. For TM to be superior, there would have to be something about the TM mantras that is superior and there is not. If you believe the TM mantras are superior tell me how? If it isn't that TM mantras that are superior, then what is it that makes TM superior? So given the fact that I know TM is not superior to any other way of being myself I am not stupid enough to change my life based on Mehmet Oz's incorrect assumptions and TM delusions that I have already cured myself of. So there is your answer Share. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael Well it makes it grosser. But grosser is not plainer. And it has nothing to do with taking the word of a famous, rich person. It has to do with taking the word of an intelligent, independent person who also happens to be rich and famous. That's what you keep avoiding, isn't it? That Dr. Oz is smart and completely independent of TMO. I'm guessing that's really what you can't reconcile with all your beliefs about TM. That someone really smart and successful and knowledgeable about health would choose to practice it. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael Why should I take his word because he has money and fame? That is a bullshit premise from the get go. Does that make it any plainer? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.
Damn Rick, my stomach hurts from laughing so hard - especially from the comments posted - here is my favorite: So what exactly is the taste of Vedic Technology, anyway? I finally shelled out nearly ten dollars for almost an ounce of Maharishi Honey, and listen, people: THIS STUFF IS INEDIBLE. It came discolored, gummy, and rancid. Honey can't really go bad, but somehow those Maharishis made it happen. (Where is your Natural Law now?) Out of my family of four, I was the only one that managed to get it down. Two others had to spit it out. The fourth, after seeing our reactions, refused to go near it. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement. From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:23 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement. [...] Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey which came from somewhere in the rainforest (location unspecified) and was packaged in a singing container.[...] Wonder what a singing container is? I believe it sang this song when you opened the lid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q7ffGdfbqs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.
this one is good too: After browsing their website for hours (you'd think I have more important things to do), listening to almost two dozen of these music videos, examining their scientific findings, and reading a good deal of their literature, I've decided there are two major problems here. 1. Using an ideology to sell honey. Maharishi, Vedic, world peace, c... none of this has any effect on the flavor of honey. It's just pressure. 2. World peace through globalization. Offensive, terrifying, 'nuff said. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement. From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:23 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement. [...] Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey which came from somewhere in the rainforest (location unspecified) and was packaged in a singing container.[...] Wonder what a singing container is? I believe it sang this song when you opened the lid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q7ffGdfbqs
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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: (snip) Six - I agree that the simple practice of TM itself can make one feel refreshed and rested under the right circumstances (i.e. - the TM meditator generally has to have had a good night's sleep the night before, can't be hung over, kapha, pitta and vata has to be balanced just right, has to sleep in a vastu ved house, had the proper amount of Amrit Kalash upon arising, had the proper amount of yagyas done that month, but only by a certified Marshy pundit) with all those parameters being met, one can feel good after TM. The better the circumstances, the better one will feel after TM (although I'm dubious that some of the circumstances you list make a significant difference). But it's certainly not the case that one won't feel good unless all those parameters are met. But this does not happen because there is something special about TM itself, contrary to what Bobby Roth, David Lynch, Johnnie Hagelin and all the other TM pimps claim. It happens because Pure Awareness is natural and we connect with it, we are it, every minute of every day. Just settling in and getting quiet or using other mantras or following the breath will do it. TM people believe TM is superior for one reason - because Marshy said it was. For TM to be superior, there would have to be something about the TM mantras that is superior and there is not. If you believe the TM mantras are superior tell me how? If it isn't that TM mantras that are superior, then what is it that makes TM superior? It's the way Maharishi designed TM instruction (and checking) to ensure effortlessness. Not that Oz would have been likely to get this, and not that other techniques don't facilitate connecting with pure awareness. But TM is more efficient in that regard. (Some teachers say the puja makes a difference too.)
[FairfieldLife] The DOW Takes a Dive
The market is now showing its fear of the upcoming sequestration of government spending. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^DJIdesktop_view_default=true
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.
As Maharishi always emphasized, world peace starts with the individual, so when you are done waging verbal war on all things Maharishi, why don't you help us out? Can you estimate a time frame when that may be? Hopefully you have decided not to compete with the other guy on here for longevity, regarding this issue?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: this one is good too: After browsing their website for hours (you'd think I have more important things to do), listening to almost two dozen of these music videos, examining their scientific findings, and reading a good deal of their literature, I've decided there are two major problems here. 1. Using an ideology to sell honey. Maharishi, Vedic, world peace, c... none of this has any effect on the flavor of honey. It's just pressure. 2. World peace through globalization. Offensive, terrifying, 'nuff said. From: Rick Archer rick@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.   From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:23 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.   [...] Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey which came from somewhere in the rainforest (location unspecified) and was packaged in a singing container.[...] Wonder what a singing container is? I believe it sang this song when you opened the lid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q7ffGdfbqs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael and Carol
Thanks for your reply Michael. Just a couple of points: I don't know that Dr. Oz is unwilling to disagree with Oprah. Do you know that for a fact? He seems pretty independent to me. I don't know enough about mantras to comment on that. And I don't think TM is superior because anyone said so. I think it is unique in the effortlessness of it process. My own logic tells me that this effortlessness is what makes it the best meditation technique that I know of. I am happy with it so don't feel compelled to look for another. Hi Carol, the crucial difference is that I don't continually have or express negative opinions about Christianity, Christian churches or Jesus Christ. So there is nothing for me to reconcile. I can easily believe that a smart, successful and healthy person might practice Christianity. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael Let's see - there are a whole bunch of people who practice and tout TM who could variously be characterized as Bliss Ninny's and other such names, I should start TM again because he agrees with them? Should I take his word for it when he agrees with, hmmm let's see, the German Purusha guys I have read about here on FFL who wear swastikas under their ties and party when it is Hitler's birthday? Or should I continue to chart my own course? The bottom line answer to your question is six fold, Shary. One - I am confident enough in my own experience and ability to decide things for myself that I do not suddenly reverse course on the word of a celebrity who owes his fame to Oprah and is unwilling to disagree with her. Two - I agree he is intelligent and the fact that he thinks TM is a good thing, I don't hold against him. One day I trust he will come out of that particular delusion. Three - Other intelligent people, like me, were deluded by Marshy and TM sales pitches, cuz that is exactly what they have always been, sales pitches. Therefore I don't hold it against him that he too is deluded about TM. Four - This is speculation, but I do not believe he has the benefit of the experiences of seeing some of the things I have seen in TM - abusive behavior on the part of TM longtimers especially the popinjay Governors with a little bit of TM authority and the unstressing phenomenon, particularly that seen on long rounding courses. Were he aware of these things, I trust he would be intelligent enough to alter his opinion of TM and its pimps. Five - He is unaware the TMO treats himself and all TM celebrities far differently than they treat rank and file meditators, sidhas and Governors who have no money, celebrity or TM authority within the Movement. As an aside, I must admit that the TMO is an equal opportunity abuser. Those donkeys will abuse anyone whom they think they have authority over, be they meditators or Governors. The difference in treatment of celebrities and money people on the one hand and regular folks on the other were he to see it, I am sure his magnificent intelligence would enable him to question the efficacy of TM. Six - I agree that the simple practice of TM itself can make one feel refreshed and rested under the right circumstances (i.e. - the TM meditator generally has to have had a good night's sleep the night before, can't be hung over, kapha, pitta and vata has to be balanced just right, has to sleep in a vastu ved house, had the proper amount of Amrit Kalash upon arising, had the proper amount of yagyas done that month, but only by a certified Marshy pundit) with all those parameters being met, one can feel good after TM. But this does not happen because there is something special about TM itself, contrary to what Bobby Roth, David Lynch, Johnnie Hagelin and all the other TM pimps claim. It happens because Pure Awareness is natural and we connect with it, we are it, every minute of every day. Just settling in and getting quiet or using other mantras or following the breath will do it. TM people believe TM is superior for one reason - because Marshy said it was. For TM to be superior, there would have to be something about the TM mantras that is superior and there is not. If you believe the TM mantras are superior tell me how? If it isn't that TM mantras that are superior, then what is it that makes TM superior? So given the fact that I know TM is not superior to any other way of being myself I am not stupid enough to change my life based on Mehmet Oz's incorrect assumptions and TM delusions that I have already cured myself of. So there is your answer Share. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife]
[FairfieldLife] Temple of Sacred Sound
click onto ENTER then Intoning Chambers at top. OM is a good one. http://www.templeofsacredsound.org ... Conclave of Cardinals working behind the scenes to elect a new Pope. (Bruce Eichelberger): ...http://beinart.org/modules/PHP-gallery/gallery_ImageView.php?gallery_id=1459image_id=7574
[FairfieldLife] Pope to return to former occupation
...as the Cardinal Ratzinger, Grand Inquisitor. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Emperor_RotJ.png
[FairfieldLife] And the next Pope will be....
by Jacques-Louis David: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/6855.jpg
[FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted
Just such a strange thing, that the fiercest critics of TM on here, are those with no recent experience of the technique. Sure, they had their heyday - a few decades ago. Now, looking back hazily on those times, they stand up as those to be believed, the DEFINITIVE VOICES regarding the technique, its founder, and any other pearls that spew forth. Its just so much tripe. Being ordinarily skeptical, doubting stuff I am told, is second nature to me - an excellent survival tool, imo. So I can appreciate airing doubts about...anything. However, how long does it take to integrate something THAT YOU NO LONGER PRACTICE into your life? Why the public fixation on something that no longer has value to you? Are you warning us? (how condescending) Are you saving us? (how laughable) Are you opening our eyes? (see above) Why are you *devoting* your time and thought, to something you no longer do? Color me Puzzled.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The DOW Takes a Dive
On 02/25/2013 04:40 PM, John wrote: The market is now showing its fear of the upcoming sequestration of government spending. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^DJIdesktop_view_default=true I think this is sneaky austerity since the term austerity has such a bad connotation given the new media in the US. Just wait until you can't afford food any longer and you'll wish you had rioted months ago when government wasn't so ready for it. And the Republicans are looking forward to buying your assets for pennies on the dollar. That is if you have any assets (and we sometimes wonder on FFL).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.
exposing hucksters who still want to prey on the ignorant is a fine contribution to world peace From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement. As Maharishi always emphasized, world peace starts with the individual, so when you are done waging verbal war on all things Maharishi, why don't you help us out? Can you estimate a time frame when that may be? Hopefully you have decided not to compete with the other guy on here for longevity, regarding this issue?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: this one is good too: After browsing their website for hours (you'd think I have more important things to do), listening to almost two dozen of these music videos, examining their scientific findings, and reading a good deal of their literature, I've decided there are two major problems here. 1. Using an ideology to sell honey. Maharishi, Vedic, world peace, c... none of this has any effect on the flavor of honey. It's just pressure. 2. World peace through globalization. Offensive, terrifying, 'nuff said. From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.   From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:23 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.   [...] Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey which came from somewhere in the rainforest (location unspecified) and was packaged in a singing container.[...] Wonder what a singing container is? I believe it sang this song when you opened the lid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q7ffGdfbqs
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted
as for me, I can only point out that TM has not enabled you to pay very good attention to your environment - as I have stated on several occasions I have used my TM mantras whenever I feel like it, which these days is not very often. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted Just such a strange thing, that the fiercest critics of TM on here, are those with no recent experience of the technique. Sure, they had their heyday - a few decades ago. Now, looking back hazily on those times, they stand up as those to be believed, the DEFINITIVE VOICES regarding the technique, its founder, and any other pearls that spew forth. Its just so much tripe. Being ordinarily skeptical, doubting stuff I am told, is second nature to me - an excellent survival tool, imo. So I can appreciate airing doubts about...anything. However, how long does it take to integrate something THAT YOU NO LONGER PRACTICE into your life? Why the public fixation on something that no longer has value to you? Are you warning us? (how condescending) Are you saving us? (how laughable) Are you opening our eyes? (see above) Why are you *devoting* your time and thought, to something you no longer do? Color me Puzzled.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The DOW Takes a Dive
The riots haven't started yet. But when the economy gets bad as Spain's, there will be demonstrations and riots for sure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 02/25/2013 04:40 PM, John wrote: The market is now showing its fear of the upcoming sequestration of government spending. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^DJIdesktop_view_default=true I think this is sneaky austerity since the term austerity has such a bad connotation given the new media in the US. Just wait until you can't afford food any longer and you'll wish you had rioted months ago when government wasn't so ready for it. And the Republicans are looking forward to buying your assets for pennies on the dollar. That is if you have any assets (and we sometimes wonder on FFL).
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted
On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!! From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted Just such a strange thing, that the fiercest critics of TM on here, are those with no recent experience of the technique. Sure, they had their heyday - a few decades ago. Now, looking back hazily on those times, they stand up as those to be believed, the DEFINITIVE VOICES regarding the technique, its founder, and any other pearls that spew forth. Its just so much tripe. Being ordinarily skeptical, doubting stuff I am told, is second nature to me - an excellent survival tool, imo. So I can appreciate airing doubts about...anything. However, how long does it take to integrate something THAT YOU NO LONGER PRACTICE into your life? Why the public fixation on something that no longer has value to you? Are you warning us? (how condescending) Are you saving us? (how laughable) Are you opening our eyes? (see above) Why are you *devoting* your time and thought, to something you no longer do? Color me Puzzled.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.
That's hilarious. :D TY for sharing that! I think I'll go have some toast honey. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:23 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement. [...] Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey which came from somewhere in the rainforest (location unspecified) and was packaged in a singing container.[...] Wonder what a singing container is? I believe it sang this song when you opened the lid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q7ffGdfbqs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.
I was laughing too. As I watched it I thought, This sure is cheesy! Cheesy honey! ;) I might have to post that link on FB. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Damn Rick, my stomach hurts from laughing so hard - especially from the comments posted - here is my favorite: So what exactly is the taste of Vedic Technology, anyway? I finally shelled out nearly ten dollars for almost an ounce of Maharishi Honey, and listen, people: THIS STUFF IS INEDIBLE. It came discolored, gummy, and rancid. Honey can't really go bad, but somehow those Maharishis made it happen. (Where is your Natural Law now?) Out of my family of four, I was the only one that managed to get it down. Two others had to spit it out. The fourth, after seeing our reactions, refused to go near it. From: Rick Archer rick@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.   From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:23 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snapshot of the Movement.   [...] Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey which came from somewhere in the rainforest (location unspecified) and was packaged in a singing container.[...] Wonder what a singing container is? I believe it sang this song when you opened the lid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q7ffGdfbqs
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!! Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, within the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as a meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which you participated. I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few months ago when you first started posting about your disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many others in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I was a meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this does not stop me from considering all that you have to say about your own, very different, experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider all that you have to say as far as I can do that without having gone through or seen what you did. I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY and even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of what you know and how you feel. Your audience has been reading what you have to say for weeks now and I am pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay on how MJ feels about MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. What is happening now is that some are getting tired of reading, of being exposed to, what is starting to sound a little like a broken record. What you have to say isn't going anywhere past where it has been for a while now. It is evidently important to you to use this forum, and other places, as a sounding board for how you feel. But it seems as if you are having to defend your position a little harder now, that there is not the same empathy or support for your position. It seems you are starting to look like a man standing alone on a hilltop defending his patch of land to an ever-increasing number of those unsympathetic to your 'cause'. I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it was three months ago it is just that if you test the wind direction and the barometer it is telling you your audience here is not quite as receptive to your message as it once was. This is, of course, only my opinion. I respect your need to voice how you feel and admire your courage to do just that but I think I have gotten the message now. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted  Just such a strange thing, that the fiercest critics of TM on here, are those with no recent experience of the technique. Sure, they had their heyday - a few decades ago. Now, looking back hazily on those times, they stand up as those to be believed, the DEFINITIVE VOICES regarding the technique, its founder, and any other pearls that spew forth. Its just so much tripe. Being ordinarily skeptical, doubting stuff I am told, is second nature to me - an excellent survival tool, imo. So I can appreciate airing doubts about...anything. However, how long does it take to integrate something THAT YOU NO LONGER PRACTICE into your life? Why the public fixation on something that no longer has value to you? Are you warning us? (how condescending) Are you saving us? (how laughable) Are you opening our eyes? (see above) Why are you *devoting* your time and thought, to something you no longer do? Color me Puzzled.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted
Michael, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you been out of the TM movement and how long were you involved? (You probably shared that on here somewhere. If you have a link to where you shared, I'd like to read it as time allows.) I was involved in a group (not TM) for 28 years. I left the group in 2005. It was a big deal, leaving... and I wrote a lot...a lot. I actually wrote a lot before I left writing my way out of the group (in private journals). After I left, I began to write publicly. I'm not sure why that is and have wondered about it - why one writes publicly about their experiences. Anyway..I'd be interested to read more about your story if you care to link or share. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!! Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, within the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as a meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which you participated. I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few months ago when you first started posting about your disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many others in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I was a meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this does not stop me from considering all that you have to say about your own, very different, experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider all that you have to say as far as I can do that without having gone through or seen what you did. I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY and even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of what you know and how you feel. Your audience has been reading what you have to say for weeks now and I am pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay on how MJ feels about MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. What is happening now is that some are getting tired of reading, of being exposed to, what is starting to sound a little like a broken record. What you have to say isn't going anywhere past where it has been for a while now. It is evidently important to you to use this forum, and other places, as a sounding board for how you feel. But it seems as if you are having to defend your position a little harder now, that there is not the same empathy or support for your position. It seems you are starting to look like a man standing alone on a hilltop defending his patch of land to an ever-increasing number of those unsympathetic to your 'cause'. I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it was three months ago it is just that if you test the wind direction and the barometer it is telling you your audience here is not quite as receptive to your message as it once was. This is, of course, only my opinion. I respect your need to voice how you feel and admire your courage to do just that but I think I have gotten the message now. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted  Just such a strange thing, that the fiercest critics of TM on here, are those with no recent experience of the technique. Sure, they had their heyday - a few decades ago. Now, looking back hazily on those times, they stand up as those to be believed, the DEFINITIVE VOICES regarding the technique, its founder, and any other pearls that spew forth. Its just so much tripe. Being ordinarily skeptical, doubting stuff I am told, is second nature to me - an excellent survival tool, imo. So I can appreciate airing doubts about...anything. However, how long does it take to integrate something THAT YOU NO LONGER PRACTICE into your life? Why the public fixation on something that no longer has value to you? Are you warning us? (how condescending) Are you saving us? (how laughable) Are you opening our eyes? (see above) Why are you *devoting* your time and thought, to something you no longer do? Color me Puzzled.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael and Carol
Share stated: Hi Carol, the crucial difference is that I don't continually have or express negative opinions about Christianity, Christian churches or Jesus Christ. So there is nothing for me to reconcile. I can easily believe that a smart, successful and healthy person might practice Christianity. Good point. I'm around some folks who regularly do criticize Christianity and belief in God(s). For me that's where the comparison comes in between Collins and Christianity with Dr. Oz and TM. Sorry I wasn't clear about that. :) What is there to reconcile with Oz and TM? I don't get what needs to be reconciled. Just because Dr. Oz (or anyone else) likes and practices TM and touts its benefits doesn't negate another person's bad or toxic experiences with TM or the TMO. Of course, any business/corporation likes to have well known folks endorse them. Sells more product, practice, whatever the goods are. Dr. Oz's endorsement of TM and the TMO (if he does endorse them) is good PR for the TMO. The gekko endorses Geiko. And then there's Flo for Progressive. But I'm still with Nationwide; I like my agent and the service. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks for your reply Michael. Just a couple of points: I don't know that Dr. Oz is unwilling to disagree with Oprah. Do you know that for a fact? He seems pretty independent to me. I don't know enough about mantras to comment on that. And I don't think TM is superior because anyone said so. I think it is unique in the effortlessness of it process. My own logic tells me that this effortlessness is what makes it the best meditation technique that I know of. I am happy with it so don't feel compelled to look for another. Hi Carol, the crucial difference is that I don't continually have or express negative opinions about Christianity, Christian churches or Jesus Christ. So there is nothing for me to reconcile. I can easily believe that a smart, successful and healthy person might practice Christianity. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Michael  Let's see - there are a whole bunch of people who practice and tout TM who could variously be characterized as Bliss Ninny's and other such names, I should start TM again because he agrees with them? Should I take his word for it when he agrees with, hmmm let's see, the German Purusha guys I have read about here on FFL who wear swastikas under their ties and party when it is Hitler's birthday? Or should I continue to chart my own course? The bottom line answer to your question is six fold, Shary. One - I am confident enough in my own experience and ability to decide things for myself that I do not suddenly reverse course on the word of a celebrity who owes his fame to Oprah and is unwilling to disagree with her. Two - I agree he is intelligent and the fact that he thinks TM is a good thing, I don't hold against him. One day I trust he will come out of that particular delusion. Three - Other intelligent people, like me, were deluded by Marshy and TM sales pitches, cuz that is exactly what they have always been, sales pitches. Therefore I don't hold it against him that he too is deluded about TM. Four - This is speculation, but I do not believe he has the benefit of the experiences of seeing some of the things I have seen in TM - abusive behavior on the part of TM longtimers especially the popinjay Governors with a little bit of TM authority and the unstressing phenomenon, particularly that seen on long rounding courses. Were he aware of these things, I trust he would be intelligent enough to alter his opinion of TM and its pimps. Five - He is unaware the TMO treats himself and all TM celebrities far differently than they treat rank and file meditators, sidhas and Governors who have no money, celebrity or TM authority within the Movement. As an aside, I must admit that the TMO is an equal opportunity abuser. Those donkeys will abuse anyone whom they think they have authority over, be they meditators or Governors. The difference in treatment of celebrities and money people on the one hand and regular folks on the other were he to see it, I am sure his magnificent intelligence would enable him to question the efficacy of TM. Six - I agree that the simple practice of TM itself can make one feel refreshed and rested under the right circumstances (i.e. - the TM meditator generally has to have had a good night's sleep the night before, can't be hung over, kapha, pitta and vata has to be balanced just right, has to sleep in a vastu ved house, had the proper amount of Amrit Kalash upon arising, had the proper
