Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 9:07 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Yes, that is true. Supposedly, we only get one bija mantra. It is 
later used with Sanskrit words that interject certain meanings and 
actions – for TM they are shama akshara-s (i.e. peaceful, laudatory 
and surrendering seed-sounds).


 However, this is not true for TM teachers since, by definition, they 
received a well-known sequence of bija mantras used to initiate 
students. Most teachers appear to use this group of mantras */only/* 
to initiate. However, the whole group of mantras is fully charged and 
available for meditation whenever used in that manner. Most TM 
teachers don’t like to talk about this possibility - proly because 
they are apprehensive about it being “off the program”. I have done so 
(of course) and find this collection rather too intense to use for the 
sake of mere curiosity. In the live-a-day world, such potency, 
distinctive qualities and effacing intensity is more suited to those 
renunciate sadhus keen to finish off their stock of prarabdha karma.



>
So, where do the TM bija mantras come from? It's not a complicated 
question, or is it? We know that some of them are mentioned in Sri Vidya 
scriptures, but how did they get in there?


According to Williams, the first historical mantra is mentioned in the 
/Prajña//p//ramita Hrdaya//Sutra/, which apparently originated in the 
Swat Valley around 100 BCE. Go figure.


Work cited:

'Mahayana Buddhism: The Doctrinal Foundations'
by Paul Williams
2nd edition. Routledge, 2009
pp. 52-3.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 8:12 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

aing to aing namah to shri aing namah is the way it went for me.

>
The so-called/Saraswati bija//mantra/ is an early Buddhist bija mantra - 
apparently you practiced Buddhism for twelve years. Did you also mediate 
inside a Buddhsit stupa at MIU? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yeah, I basically agree. As many benefits as I have gained from TM, etc., and 
all the *crap* I enjoy about enlightenment - lol -, it wouldn't be worth a 
plugged nickel, if I didn't have a life, too. No Fun.:-( I pretty much run flat 
out, all the time, like an Irish Setter, and doing all the attunement 
exercises, ensures I don't smack into a tree at 80 miles an hour. 75, maybe, 
but not 80... 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How do you reconcile the fact that TM is supposed to make all things get 
better in a fabulous way (according to the pr) and you have been doing TM for 
all these years yet are OCD? If TM works as advertised, why do you think it has 
not melted the OCD energy away?

 

 I don't think that is how it works, all too literal and absolute. TM may be a 
positive thing to do, it may reduce stress, it may even get you to 
enlightenment but it won't remove warts, fix the ingrown toenail or ensure you 
don't have bad breath in the morning. Maybe if Sparaig didn't do TM he would be 
dead for all you know.
 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
 
 
   As far as I can tell, I think a mantra without effort with the best of 'em 
and I'm currently being evaluated for disability due to OCD/ADHD.
 

 L
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "There's no monitoring required to "do" TM. In fact, you can get lost for 
hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be 
"doing" TM correctly.": 

 I have wondered if people with OCD or similar obsessive habits can think a 
mantra "effortlessly" !
 






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 8:12 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

aing to aing namah to shri aing namah is the way it went for me.

>
The only "bija" in this list is "aing". Were you thinking that "sri" and 
"namah" were also bijas? Go figure.

>



*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:07 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for 
self-reflexive monitoring


When did you get your advanced technique? When I got mine in 1976 it 
was based on a different beej mantra from the first technique I got.  
I've heard in later years it might have been taught by using the 
original beej and adding to it. There are all kinds of way to create 
advanced mantras and they can have different effects too.


On 06/04/2014 05:28 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:



Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're 
initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're 
actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am 
I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case 
for me.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote :


ReFunny you should mention that.  On my TTC when MMY came to make us 
teachers he also gave out advanced techniques.  On the flight back 
home folks were running around asking "do you remember the mantra 
that MMY gave you for an advanced technique?"  A number of people 
could not or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself).


Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted 
back to their original bija mantras because they found the advanced 
technique mantra didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no 
money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 8:07 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
When did you get your advanced technique?  When I got mine in 1976 it 
was based on a different beej mantra from the first technique I got.  
I've heard in later years it might have been taught by using the 
original beej and adding to it.  There are all kinds of way to create 
advanced mantras and they can have different effects too.

>
That's interesting because when I got my initial TM initiation, Jerry 
Jarvis gave me the bija mantra /and the fertilizer/ the first time. My 
advanced technique was the Night Technique I got from Satyanand that had 
no mantras at all.


What I'm interested in is where MMY got the list of bija mantras. 
Usually you get a bija mantra from your guru, not a whole list of bijas 
to pass out to others. There are lists of bijas in so many books, but a 
real guru would probably not get them from a book, or would he?


And, how would MMY know what bija mantras SBS was giving out, since they 
are supposedly whispered into the ear and kept secret by the student in 
an initiation?


Apparently all the bija mantras used in TM are bhakti mantras used in 
/qualified non-dualism/ by Vaishnavas. Are there any bija mantras in TM 
that would be used in relation to the impersonal Brahman?


When you think about it, repeating a sound over and over in your mind is 
kind of a strange thing to be doing, when you can't even read a Sanskrit 
scripture or even speak Hindi to find out what it means. How do we know 
if somebody didn't just make up sounds to confuse the people and charge 
a fee?


What is it, exactly, that would lead a rational person to repeat a 
nonsense gibberish phrase  given to them by a total stranger?


Also, how many mantras does a person need to know in order to become 
enlightened? There are a lot of unanswered questions about the bija mantras.


I've been asking these questions for 40 years - and since 1999 on the 
internet - and nobody has been able to provide an answer. You're 
probably the most qualified person to date. Go figure.

>



On 06/04/2014 05:28 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're 
initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're 
actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am 
I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case 
for me.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

ReFunny you should mention that.  On my TTC when MMY came to make us 
teachers he also gave out advanced techniques.  On the flight back 
home folks were running around asking "do you remember the mantra 
that MMY gave you for an advanced technique?"  A number of people 
could not or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself).


Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted 
back to their original bija mantras because they found the advanced 
technique mantra didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no 
money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I think I'll start my own country next.:-) I am looking at a 42 acre, level, 
wooded property in the Sierra foothills, about fifteen miles north of Paradise, 
with a house and large horse barn included (art and music studio, and maybe a 
couple of cats, too). If I end up there, first priority: design a national 
flag.-lol-
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ??
"
 During practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique, individuals report 
an experience of the Self aware of itself-free from the incessant thoughts, 
feelings and perceptions that usually fill their minds. Maharishi explains that 
this is Transcendental Consciousness, a fourth state of consciousness called 
Turiya Chetana in the Vedic tradition. Repeated alternation of the fourth state 
with customary waking activity gives rise to a new integrated state in which 
Transcendental Consciousness co-exists across the 24 hours of waking, dreaming 
and sleeping consciousness. Maharishi explains that this is Cosmic 
Consciousness, a fifth state of consciousness called Turiyatit Chetana. In 
Cosmic Consciousness, Transcendental Consciousness is experienced as a 
foundational state that is full in its Nature and is untouched by ongoing 
experience during waking, sleeping and dreaming. It is analogous to the 
vastness of the ocean not being lost with each rising wave of daily life.!"?!" 
FWIW in danada`s holding meru op-onion  chasing fleeting wood`s maximize 
"attunement  with the universe" of me-ness sounds flashy nice
 Anybody remembers MMY (appr. the same time -1973-o.m. paper butterfly-Share 
shared with us) intimate beautiful description how The Guru is needed   and 
appears naturally by "cosmic demand" to recognize silently with a tape amicale 
from within of within  "without outer noise and certainly no public 
assurance"the UC in the "focused" seeker--- in order to stop-settle down 
lovely- intimate with a laughing  twinkle of an eye  the  chasing fleeting wood 
of UC?
 just asking without cosmic demand
 and then..

 .. if I should ever go away
 Well, then close your eyes and try
 To feel the way we do today
 And then if you can remember
 Keep smiling, keep shining
 

 That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Friends 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs
 
 That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Fri... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs "That's What Friends Are For" is a 
1982 song written by Burt Bacharach and Carole Bayer Sager and introduced by 
Rod Stewart for the soundtrack of the...


 
 View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Again it depends when you got your advanced technique.  This ain't a 
religion.  You are to keep your mantra secret supposedly to keep it's 
power for you.  But discussion of mantra shastra and how mantras work is 
certainly not off limits unless a crazy cult leader demands it which 
would only be for him to keep his cult in line.


On 06/04/2014 07:07 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


/Authfriend: /

/Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're 
initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're 
actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am 
I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case for 
me./


Yes, that is true. Supposedly, we only get one bija mantra. It is 
later used with Sanskrit words that interject certain meanings and 
actions – for TM they are shama akshara-s (i.e. peaceful, laudatory 
and surrendering seed-sounds).


However, this is not true for TM teachers since, by definition, they 
received a well-known sequence of bija mantras used to initiate 
students. Most teachers appear to use this group of mantras */only/* 
to initiate. However, the whole group of mantras is fully charged and 
available for meditation whenever used in that manner. Most TM 
teachers don’t like to talk about this possibility - proly because 
they are apprehensive about it being “off the program”. I have done so 
(of course) and find this collection rather too intense to use for the 
sake of mere curiosity. In the live-a-day world, such potency, 
distinctive qualities and effacing intensity is more suited to those 
renunciate sadhus keen to finish off their stock of prarabdha karma.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Whoa - ALL CAPS, eh? Self is right! :-) The spiritual explanation for that is, 
the continuing ripening and enrichment, the strength of the Self, from TC/CC to 
UC -
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fleetwood, for me it's not a CONCEPT of near and dear Self. It's an isness 
that's closer than the closest, almost impossible to put into words.

 


 On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:34 PM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the 
ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of 
continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha 
vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, 
can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but 
experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been 
near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness & 
becomes a part of Brahman

"Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention 
is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it 
-- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only 
fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is 
in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is 
on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on 
this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only 
the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, 
and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also 
participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of 
Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade 
focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near 
environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther 
values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time 
comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole 
thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And 
that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its 
different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's 
Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity."

 ~Maharishi~

 ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~

~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~

 * * * * * * *


 "From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part."


 ~Maharishi~

 ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~
 






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] detailed advanced technique discussion = bye bye for me.

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

What a loser!

On 06/04/2014 06:44 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


as the title suggests.


I'm outa.


Cheers all.



L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Maybe if you are a kindergarden student as far as mantra shastra goes.  
Sadly, it's a subject that never was taught by Maharishi.  But other 
paths do.  It's also another reason why I walked away from TM: because 
it was very limited.


FYI, this stuff has been available in books for decades.   Swami 
Shivananda wrote quite a bit about it.  To think that any of this is 
special or not to be discussed displays extreme ignorance.


On 06/04/2014 06:42 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


For what it is worth, discussion of advanced techniques could result 
in instant fail on TTC, or so I have read.




Maharishi was far more strict about advanced technique discussion than 
about regular TM.


L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

When did you get your advanced technique?  When I got mine in 1976 it 
was based on a different beej mantra from the first technique I got.  
I've heard in later years it might have been taught by using the 
original beej and adding to it.  There are all kinds of way to create 
advanced mantras and they can have different effects too.


On 06/04/2014 05:28 PM, authfriend@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when
you're initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija
mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words that you use with your
original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have only one advanced
technique, and that was the case for me.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

ReFunny you should mention that.  On my TTC when MMY came to make
us teachers he also gave out advanced techniques.  On the flight
back home folks were running around asking "do you remember the
mantra that MMY gave you for an advanced technique?"  A number of
people could not or were confused as to it's pronunciation
(including myself).

Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who
reverted back to their original bija mantras because they found
the advanced technique mantra didn't agree with them. (I bet
there was no money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 7:28 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're 
initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're 
actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am 
I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case for me.

>
You are correct - and in the advanced/Night Technique/, there's no 
mantra involved at all. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 6:47 PM, merudanda wrote:


**FWIW in danada`s holding meruop-onion  chasing fleeting wood`s 
maximize "attunement with the universe" of me-ness sounds flashy nice**



>
You are not even making any sense - it sounds complicated.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 6:27 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Don't you guys who oppose this thing think it might be a mighty good 
idea to find out where the TM council members including the mayor 
stand? And especially MUM? Even tho its a university the fact that 
they are there, drawing in faulty, staff, and especially students plus 
the money they spend in the community makes them a force to be 
reckoned with locally.

>
/Addressing the important issues!/

Apparently some people in FF and Vedic City are worried that some GMO 
dust might get blown their way from the proposed food co-op grain silo. 
This sounds really serious, /compared to eliminating food deserts in 
towns./ Down here, people are concerned about where and how they will be 
able to afford ordinary groceries. These days you go into a grocery 
store and get a few measly bags of food and it costs you almost $50. The 
rent is too damn high!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 6:21 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


ReFunny you should mention that.  On my TTC when MMY came to make us 
teachers he also gave out advanced techniques.  On the flight back 
home folks were running around asking "do you remember the mantra that 
MMY gave you for an advanced technique?"  A number of people could not 
or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself).



Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted 
back to their original bija mantras because they found the advanced 
technique mantra didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no 
money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)

>
Maybe, but I've been reading these messages since Rick posted the first 
one and I can't recall anyone saying that, since you get only one mantra 
in TM and advanced techniques. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 6:15 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
> On 06/04/2014 03:32 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>>
>> How do you know it is the mantra you're remembering? (This isn't a 
>> deep philosophical query.) Say your mantra is "potato" and you *hear* 
>> yourself repeating "potahto" then you'd be relaxed about that as we 
>> are encouraged to allow the syllable to mutate without trying to 
>> think it clearly. So the mantra can settle down to being a vague 
>> pulse and we're cool.
>>
>>
>> What I was curious about was those advanced techniques. When you 
>> learn a new mantra - and with additional syllables - doesn't it 
>> require effort to keep reminding yourself that you are repeating the 
>> new mantra correctly? So wouldn't it be less effective than the 
>> simple bija mantra beginners are given which are chosen precisely 
>> because they can be easily forgotten?
>
> Funny you should mention that.  On my TTC when MMY came to make us 
> teachers he also gave out advanced techniques.  On the flight back 
> home folks were running around asking "do you remember the mantra that 
> MMY gave you for an advanced technique?"  A number of people could not 
> or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself).
 >
In TM and advanced techniques, you get only one single mantra. The 
fertilizer you get are not mantras but Sanskrit words. It's not complicated.
 >
>
>>
>> (On a related note: does repeating the sidhi mantras not require a 
>> more conscious effort than regular TM? - they seem to be repeated 
>> with eyes open judging by film footage of hoppers - so I'm guessing 
>> TM takes you deeper than samyama.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, we are very fortunate to have Everybody's, a wonderful, locally owned 
health food store which supplies many locally made items, organic dessert items 
and soups, humuus, salsa, etc. Additionally, just a stone's throw from the 
women's Dome there is a health food store, Dome Market which includes a cafe 
upstairs with a wonderful organic buffet at lunch and dinner. Finally, the 
local grocery chain, HyVee has quite an extensive organic section. I think 
WalMart also carries some organic items like avocados.



On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:14 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
So, they don't sell food at the food co-op? Go figure.

Somebody should start a food co-op in town that people can walk to
  to get good, reasonably priced groceries. Do they have any good
  grocery stores in FF? We are living about two blocks from the
  Whole Foods Market now.
>

? On 6/4/2014 2:27 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  
>Richard, the Heartland Co-op is a proposed granary and fertilizer plant. Only 
>18 wheelers and choo choo trains will be driving to it (-:
>
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:05 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
>pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
> 
>
>
>  
>On 6/4/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>> Obama helping with global
  warming, as if that negates what he
  did viz 
>> a viz our food supply!
>>
>So, they want to build a food co-op at
  Fairfield, but not in town, to 
>sell GMO foods to the people, but the
  people will have to drive in their 
>cars to get the GMO food? Gas prices
  are going way up and coal is being 
>phased out - so how will people be
  able to afford gasoline to drive 
>anywhere and heat their homes in the
  winter? There needs to be a long 
>range sensible plan so that ordinary
  people can afford a home and eat. 
>The rent is already too damn high. Go
  figure.
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks, emptybill. 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Authfriend: 
 Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're initiated. 
The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words 
that you use with your original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have only one 
advanced technique, and that was the case for me.
  
 Yes, that is true. Supposedly, we only get one bija mantra. It is later used 
with Sanskrit words that interject certain meanings and actions – for TM they 
are shama akshara-s (i.e. peaceful, laudatory and surrendering seed-sounds). 
  
 However, this is not true for TM teachers since, by definition, they received 
a well-known sequence of bija mantras used to initiate students. Most teachers 
appear to use this group of mantras only to initiate. However, the whole group 
of mantras is fully charged and available for meditation whenever used in that 
manner. Most TM teachers don’t like to talk about this possibility - proly 
because they are apprehensive about it being “off the program”. I have done so 
(of course) and find this collection rather too intense to use for the sake of 
mere curiosity. In the live-a-day world, such potency, distinctive qualities 
and effacing intensity is more suited to those renunciate sadhus keen to finish 
off their stock of prarabdha karma. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 3:58 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
> Isn't it Vedic City where GMOs are banned, NOT Fairfield?
 >
I don't know - I didn't even think they had any grocery stores in Vedic 
City. Are you implying that in Vedic City you can't buy a GMO product in 
FF and then eat it in your own home in Vedic City? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

So, they don't sell food at the food co-op? Go figure.

Somebody should start a food co-op in town that people can walk to to 
get good, reasonably priced groceries. Do they have any good grocery 
stores in FF? We are living about two blocks from the Whole Foods Market 
now.

>

? On 6/4/2014 2:27 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Richard, the Heartland Co-op is a proposed granary and fertilizer 
plant. Only 18 wheelers and choo choo trains will be driving to it (-:



On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:05 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  
wrote:



On 6/4/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

> Obama helping with global warming, as if that negates what he did viz
> a viz our food supply!
>
So, they want to build a food co-op at Fairfield, but not in town, to
sell GMO foods to the people, but the people will have to drive in their
cars to get the GMO food? Gas prices are going way up and coal is being
phased out - so how will people be able to afford gasoline to drive
anywhere and heat their homes in the winter? There needs to be a long
range sensible plan so that ordinary people can afford a home and eat.
The rent is already too damn high. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Authfriend: 
 Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're initiated. 
The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words 
that you use with your original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have only one 
advanced technique, and that was the case for me.
  
 Yes, that is true. Supposedly, we only get one bija mantra. It is later used 
with Sanskrit words that interject certain meanings and actions – for TM they 
are shama akshara-s (i.e. peaceful, laudatory and surrendering seed-sounds). 
  
 However, this is not true for TM teachers since, by definition, they received 
a well-known sequence of bija mantras used to initiate students. Most teachers 
appear to use this group of mantras only to initiate. However, the whole group 
of mantras is fully charged and available for meditation whenever used in that 
manner. Most TM teachers don’t like to talk about this possibility - proly 
because they are apprehensive about it being “off the program”. I have done so 
(of course) and find this collection rather too intense to use for the sake of 
mere curiosity. In the live-a-day world, such potency, distinctive qualities 
and effacing intensity is more suited to those renunciate sadhus keen to finish 
off their stock of prarabdha karma. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Most people got the very well known mantra for Saraswati.  If the person 
also got the Saraswati beej then it would seem like more words were just 
added which happened in your case.  However there are other goddess 
mantras in TM and people who had those and got the Saraswati mantra 
wouldn't have seen any relationship between the two.  Mantras are 
enhanced by adding more samput in the form of more beejs.



On 06/04/2014 06:12 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

aing to aing namah to shri aing namah is the way it went for me.


*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:07 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for 
self-reflexive monitoring


When did you get your advanced technique? When I got mine in 1976 it 
was based on a different beej mantra from the first technique I got.  
I've heard in later years it might have been taught by using the 
original beej and adding to it. There are all kinds of way to create 
advanced mantras and they can have different effects too.


On 06/04/2014 05:28 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:



Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're 
initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're 
actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am 
I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case 
for me.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote :


ReFunny you should mention that.  On my TTC when MMY came to make us 
teachers he also gave out advanced techniques.  On the flight back 
home folks were running around asking "do you remember the mantra 
that MMY gave you for an advanced technique?"  A number of people 
could not or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself).


Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted 
back to their original bija mantras because they found the advanced 
technique mantra didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no 
money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How do you reconcile the fact that TM is supposed to make all things get 
better in a fabulous way (according to the pr) and you have been doing TM for 
all these years yet are OCD? If TM works as advertised, why do you think it has 
not melted the OCD energy away?

 

 I don't think that is how it works, all too literal and absolute. TM may be a 
positive thing to do, it may reduce stress, it may even get you to 
enlightenment but it won't remove warts, fix the ingrown toenail or ensure you 
don't have bad breath in the morning. Maybe if Sparaig didn't do TM he would be 
dead for all you know.
 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
 
 
   As far as I can tell, I think a mantra without effort with the best of 'em 
and I'm currently being evaluated for disability due to OCD/ADHD.
 

 L
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "There's no monitoring required to "do" TM. In fact, you can get lost for 
hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be 
"doing" TM correctly.": 

 I have wondered if people with OCD or similar obsessive habits can think a 
mantra "effortlessly" !
 






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

For what it is worth, discussion of advanced techniques could result in instant 
fail on TTC, or so I have read. 

 

 Maharishi was far more strict about advanced technique discussion than about 
regular TM.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When did you get your advanced technique?  When I got mine in 1976 it was 
based on a different beej mantra from the first technique I got.  I've heard in 
later years it might have been taught by using the original beej and adding to 
it.  There are all kinds of way to create advanced mantras and they can have 
different effects too.
 
 On 06/04/2014 05:28 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're 
initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual 
Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have 
only one advanced technique, and that was the case for me.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:s3raphita@... wrote :
 
 Re Funny you should mention that.  On my TTC when MMY came to make us teachers 
he also gave out advanced techniques.  On the flight back home folks were 
running around asking "do you remember the mantra that MMY gave you for an 
advanced technique?"  A number of people could not or were confused as to it's 
pronunciation (including myself).
 
 
 Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted back to 
their original bija mantras because they found the advanced technique mantra 
didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no 
money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)



 
 

[FairfieldLife] detailed advanced technique discussion = bye bye for me.

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

as the title suggests.
 

 I'm outa.
 

 Cheers all.
 

 

 L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Obviously, a large part of my OCD, etc is not stress-related (a large part is 
so on days when I'm more regular, my OCD, etc seems to be less). 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How do you reconcile the fact that TM is supposed to make all things get 
better in a fabulous way (according to the pr) and you have been doing TM for 
all these years yet are OCD? If TM works as advertised, why do you think it has 
not melted the OCD energy away?

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
 
 
   As far as I can tell, I think a mantra without effort with the best of 'em 
and I'm currently being evaluated for disability due to OCD/ADHD.
 

 L
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "There's no monitoring required to "do" TM. In fact, you can get lost for 
hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be 
"doing" TM correctly.": 

 I have wondered if people with OCD or similar obsessive habits can think a 
mantra "effortlessly" !
 






 


 

[FairfieldLife] Lightness of Being

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Magic mantra to change negative karma to good.
  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2XkzZR4R0U 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2XkzZR4R0U
 

[FairfieldLife] Shiva mantra to crush bad karma

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0_z7umKiQA 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0_z7umKiQA

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

How do you reconcile the fact that TM is supposed to make all things get better 
in a fabulous way (according to the pr) and you have been doing TM for all 
these years yet are OCD? If TM works as advertised, why do you think it has not 
melted the OCD energy away?




 From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
 


  
As far as I can tell, I think a mantra without effort with the best of 'em and 
I'm currently being evaluated for disability due to OCD/ADHD.

L




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Re "There's no monitoring required to "do" TM. In fact, you can get lost for 
hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be 
"doing" TM correctly.":

I have wondered if people with OCD or similar obsessive habits can think a 
mantra "effortlessly" !

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

aing to aing namah to shri aing namah is the way it went for me.




 From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive 
monitoring
 


  
When did you get your advanced technique?  When I got mine in 1976 it was based 
on a different beej mantra from the first technique I got.  I've heard in later 
years it might have been taught by using the original beej and adding to it.  
There are all kinds of way to create advanced mantras and they can have 
different effects too.

On 06/04/2014 05:28 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



  
>Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're initiated. 
>The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words 
>that you use with your original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have only one 
>advanced technique, and that was the case for me.
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>Re Funny you should mention that.  On my TTC when MMY came to make us teachers 
>he also gave out advanced techniques.  On the flight back home folks were 
>running around asking "do you remember the mantra that MMY gave you for an 
>advanced technique?"  A number of people could not or were confused as to it's 
>pronunciation (including myself).
>
>
>
>Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted back to 
>their original bija mantras because they found the advanced technique mantra 
>didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no 
>money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Fleetwood, for me it's not a CONCEPT of near and dear Self. It's an isness 
that's closer than the closest, almost impossible to put into words.



On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:34 PM, "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the 
ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of 
continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha 
vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, 
can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but 
experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been 
near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness & becomes 
a part of Brahman

"Now,
in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of
attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen --
the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the
subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole
paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main
focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the
third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So,
there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the
first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self,
and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus
also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little
more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and
then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we
start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability
to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the
Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic
universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely
cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last
[furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different
characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity
Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity."

~Maharishi~

~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~

* * * * * * *

"From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part."


~Maharishi~

~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

When did you get your advanced technique?  When I got mine in 1976 it 
was based on a different beej mantra from the first technique I got.  
I've heard in later years it might have been taught by using the 
original beej and adding to it.  There are all kinds of way to create 
advanced mantras and they can have different effects too.


On 06/04/2014 05:28 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're 
initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're 
actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am 
I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case for me.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

ReFunny you should mention that.  On my TTC when MMY came to make us 
teachers he also gave out advanced techniques.  On the flight back 
home folks were running around asking "do you remember the mantra that 
MMY gave you for an advanced technique?"  A number of people could not 
or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself).


Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted 
back to their original bija mantras because they found the advanced 
technique mantra didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no 
money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

These days, there's plenty of research (well a few studies on EEG is plenty 
-sorta) done by non-TMers that find much the same effects as Fred's. 

 This shouldnt' be that surprising. The desire of Believer Researchers is to 
find ways in which TM is different. THey hone their search based on how similar 
TM is or isn't to relaxation, looking for the ways in which it is NOT similar 
to simple relaxation.
 

 Unless you are accusing them of falsifiying data, it is inevitable that they 
would find ways where TM is different than radically different practices. What 
is interesting is that it appears to be different than practices that sound 
like they should have teh same effects as TM does.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When I taught TM no one came and asked about CC, GC or UC.  Most everyone was 
there for learning a technique to relax, to help them be less uptight, to help 
with psychological or medical problems they were having, etc.  There might have 
occasionally been somebody who was into eastern philosophy and were their to 
see how TM worked in that regard. As for EEG studies, they were there for 
backup though it might have been a little more honest to say "our studies show 
that TM generates these results" so as to leave a challenge open to other 
organizations to show their research (as if they would care).
  
 On 06/04/2014 02:35 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   Eh. 
 

 MMY had a specific way of interpreting things. It has allowed Fred Travis and 
others to publish research on CC and get it published in major journals.
 

 It has allowed Fred to talk to famous scientists about conducting new research 
on CC.
 

 

 That's marketing of a sort, I guess.
 

 

 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Which are only talked about for "marketing purposes."  Most other gurus just 
talk about "moksha" or  liberation.
 
 On 06/04/2014 02:05 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   Unless you day job is to talk about, teach about, philosophize about, or 
even conduct scientific research on, these various purported states.
 

 

 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less about 
what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied.
 
 On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   "According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back 
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), 
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC 
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that 
BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what 
he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it 
takes some time to begin to function in BC."
 
 
 Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of enlightenment, 
although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven states, because we still 
identify with a self. UC is everything, *in terms of the self*. There is still 
false ownership going on - very subtle, but it creates a boundary between 
whoever we sense ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is. 
 
 
 Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an SOC, like 
any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, incorporating all 
permutations of the identified seven states.  
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:anartaxius@... wrote :
 
 According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back 
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), 
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC 
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that 
BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what 
he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it 
takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is 
entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it 
is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, 
he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than 
experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow 
you know it is there. 
 
 Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that 
enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement 
that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other 
hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

As far as I can tell, I think a mantra without effort with the best of 'em and 
I'm currently being evaluated for disability due to OCD/ADHD. 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "There's no monitoring required to "do" TM. In fact, you can get lost for 
hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be 
"doing" TM correctly.": 

 I have wondered if people with OCD or similar obsessive habits can think a 
mantra "effortlessly" !
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

The question was the question. 

 The answer from people who were planning on learning TM was in the first group.
 

 The answers from people who had learned TM but didn't report much, if any, 
witnessing was in the second group.
 

 The answers from people who had learned TM and reported witnessing 24 hours a 
day, 7 days a week continuously for at least 1 year, were in the 3rd group.
 

 Correlated teh answers with EEG patterns and came up with his "Brain 
Integration Scale."
 

 

 Other researchers have used this scale and compared the EEG and response to 
the question for world-champion (consistently score in teh Top Ten in their 
event in world-level games) and non-champions (consistently score in the bottom 
50% in the same games). The "self-actualizing" champions tended to show EEG 
patterns and response questions somewhere between those of groups 2 and 3 in 
the original study.
 

 ANother study compared award-winning managers in a larger firm vs the 
rank-and-file manager, and found roughly the same results on both EEG and 
self-description.
 

 

 Fred believes that his Brain Integration Scale is potentially a marker for 
stress and self-actualization.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's helpful to distinguish "self" (the small egoic self) from "Self" (cap S), 
Atman. Was Fred talking about self or Self?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Did you not read teh descriptions of "self" from Fred's research? 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the 
ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of 
continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha 
vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, 
can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but 
experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been 
near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness & 
becomes a part of Brahman

"Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention 
is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it 
-- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only 
fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is 
in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is 
on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on 
this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only 
the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, 
and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also 
participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of 
Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade 
focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near 
environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther 
values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time 
comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole 
thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And 
that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its 
different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's 
Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity."

 ~Maharishi~

 ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~

~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~

 * * * * * * *


 "From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part."


 ~Maharishi~

 ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It's helpful to distinguish "self" (the small egoic self) from "Self" (cap S), 
Atman. Was Fred talking about self or Self?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Did you not read teh descriptions of "self" from Fred's research? 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the 
ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of 
continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha 
vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, 
can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but 
experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been 
near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness & 
becomes a part of Brahman

"Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention 
is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it 
-- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only 
fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is 
in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is 
on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on 
this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only 
the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, 
and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also 
participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of 
Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade 
focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near 
environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther 
values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time 
comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole 
thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And 
that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its 
different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's 
Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity."

 ~Maharishi~

 ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~

~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~

 * * * * * * *


 "From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part."


 ~Maharishi~

 ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're initiated. 
The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words 
that you use with your original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have only one 
advanced technique, and that was the case for me. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re Funny you should mention that.  On my TTC when MMY came to make us teachers 
he also gave out advanced techniques.  On the flight back home folks were 
running around asking "do you remember the mantra that MMY gave you for an 
advanced technique?"  A number of people could not or were confused as to it's 
pronunciation (including myself).
 

 Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted back to 
their original bija mantras because they found the advanced technique mantra 
didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no 
money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[merudanda]

??
"
 During practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique, individuals report 
an experience of the Self aware of itself-free from the incessant thoughts, 
feelings and perceptions that usually fill their minds. Maharishi explains that 
this is Transcendental Consciousness, a fourth state of consciousness called 
Turiya Chetana in the Vedic tradition. Repeated alternation of the fourth state 
with customary waking activity gives rise to a new integrated state in which 
Transcendental Consciousness co-exists across the 24 hours of waking, dreaming 
and sleeping consciousness. Maharishi explains that this is Cosmic 
Consciousness, a fifth state of consciousness called Turiyatit Chetana. In 
Cosmic Consciousness, Transcendental Consciousness is experienced as a 
foundational state that is full in its Nature and is untouched by ongoing 
experience during waking, sleeping and dreaming. It is analogous to the 
vastness of the ocean not being lost with each rising wave of daily life.!"?!" 
FWIW in danada`s holding meru op-onion  chasing fleeting wood`s maximize 
"attunement  with the universe" of me-ness sounds flashy nice
 Anybody remembers MMY (appr. the same time -1973-o.m. paper butterfly-Share 
shared with us) intimate beautiful description how The Guru is needed   and 
appears naturally by "cosmic demand" to recognize silently with a tape amicale 
from within of within  "without outer noise and certainly no public 
assurance"the UC in the "focused" seeker--- in order to stop-settle down 
lovely- intimate with a laughing  twinkle of an eye  the  chasing fleeting wood 
of UC?
 just asking without cosmic demand
 and then..

 .. if I should ever go away
 Well, then close your eyes and try
 To feel the way we do today
 And then if you can remember
 Keep smiling, keep shining
 

 That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Friends 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs 
 
 That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Fri... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs "That's What Friends Are For" is a 
1982 song written by Burt Bacharach and Carole Bayer Sager and introduced by 
Rod Stewart for the soundtrack of the...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Don't you guys who oppose this thing think it might be a mighty good idea to 
find out where the TM council members including the mayor stand? And especially 
MUM? Even tho its a university the fact that they are there, drawing in faulty, 
staff, and especially students plus the money they spend in the community makes 
them a force to be reckoned with locally.

If MUM opposed the coop, that would add weight to the opposition. If they 
didn't take a position on it, it would be rather irresponsible of them not to 
do so as a matter of community.

On the other hand, I imagine the Heartland people are not above making a fat 
monetary contribution to the school to ensure their support or at least their 
silence on the matter which would mean mayor and both council members would be 
mum on the issue also, no pun intended. 


Be a good idea to find out where MUM stands. As much of a force as it is in the 
community, they stand to be your greatest ally or greatest Judas. 




 From: "'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing 
Other Teachers'
 


  
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:47 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing 
Other Teachers'
 
  
How many TM practitioners on Fairfield City Council besides the mayor? And what 
is their position on the Heartland Coop? And what position has MUM taken on the 
issue?
 
John Revolinski and Connie Boyer. John probably opposes it. Don’t know about 
Connie. Not aware of MUM having taken a position.
 



From:"'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing 
Other Teachers'
 
  
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:54 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing 
Other Teachers'
 
  
A tape of that session from Rick's TTC was probably the one I saw on the second 
phase of my TTC and was called "Other Techniques."

My tantra teacher and I would often go to visit other teachers in the area.
 
My TTC was Estes Park. Just audio taped, not videotaped. But I believe such a 
session was held on every TTC, and probably still is.


On 06/03/2014 08:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
>From:"'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]" 
>
> 
>  
>I never witnessed anything as intense as what Barry relates, but on our TTC, 
>part of the training was an evening in which we brought up every other 
>teacher/path/practice we could think of and Maharishi explained how and why TM 
>was superior. 
> 
>A rather odd thing to do in itself, if you think about it, but it's part of a 
>larger pattern -- give TM teachers "pat answers" to parrot whenever a question 
>arises. The more often they hear them and repeat them, the more they come to 
>actually believe them. 
> 
>I remember in one small meeting on my TTC when he gave such a "pat answer" 
>about a technique that someone in the audience of prospective TM teachers had 
>actually practiced before starting TM. The fellow stood up and said -- 
>politely -- that Maharishi was wrong in what he said, and that the practice in 
>question had *nothing* to do with the way that Maharishi had described it. The 
>person saying this was sent home the next day, and was never allowed to became 
>a teacher. At a later meeting on the same course, Maharishi repeated the same 
>incorrect putdown of that technique, now fully aware that it wasn't true.  
> 
>Also, when Muktananda came to Seelisberg, after he left, MMY reportedly 
>addressed his students in a way that suggested he was a bit nervous they might 
>have found Muktananda more alluring than he, and be tempted to change camps.
> 
>I know someone from the Rama trip who was a Muktananda student, and who was 
>actually present at one of those meetings with Maharishi. Suffice it to say 
>that none of Muktananda's students needed such a "talking to," because were 
>completely underwhelmed by Maharishi. 
> 
>From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] 
>Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 2:09 PM
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other 
>Teachers'
> 
>  
>I just skimmed this, and want to read it more carefully later. Your primary 
>involvement predated mine.
> 
>I had the opportunity to see MMY personally many times, but usually not in a 
>small group, and usually not for administrative issues.
> 
>But never during my time d

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[merudanda]

??
"
 During practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique, individuals report 
an experience of the Self aware of itself-free from the incessant thoughts, 
feelings and perceptions that usually fill their minds. Maharishi explains that 
this is Transcendental Consciousness, a fourth state of consciousness called 
Turiya Chetana in the Vedic tradition. Repeated alternation of the fourth state 
with customary waking activity gives rise to a new integrated state in which 
Transcendental Consciousness co-exists across the 24 hours of waking, dreaming 
and sleeping consciousness. Maharishi explains that this is Cosmic 
Consciousness, a fifth state of consciousness called Turiyatit Chetana. In 
Cosmic Consciousness, Transcendental Consciousness is experienced as a 
foundational state that is full in its Nature and is untouched by ongoing 
experience during waking, sleeping and dreaming. It is analogous to the 
vastness of the ocean not being lost with each rising wave of daily life.!"?!" 
FWIW in danada`s holding meru op-onion  chasing fleeting wood`s maximize 
"attunement  with the universe" of me-ness sounds flashy nice
 Anybody remembers MMY (appr. the same time -1973-o.m. paper butterfly-Share 
shared with us) intimate beautiful description how The Guru is needed   and 
appears naturally by "cosmic demand" to recognize silently from within of 
within a tape amicale "without outer noise and certainly no public 
assurance"the UC in the "focused" seeker--- in order to stop-settle down 
lovely- intimate with a laughing  twinkle of an eye  the  chasing fleeting wood 
of UC?
 just asking without cosmic demand
 and then..

 .. if I should ever go away
 Well, then close your eyes and try
 To feel the way we do today
 And then if you can remember
 Keep smiling, keep shining
 

 That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Friends 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs

 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs 
 
 That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Fri... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs "That's What Friends Are For" is a 
1982 song written by Burt Bacharach and Carole Bayer Sager and introduced by 
Rod Stewart for the soundtrack of the...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re Funny you should mention that.  On my TTC when MMY came to make us teachers 
he also gave out advanced techniques.  On the flight back home folks were 
running around asking "do you remember the mantra that MMY gave you for an 
advanced technique?"  A number of people could not or were confused as to it's 
pronunciation (including myself).
 

 Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted back to 
their original bija mantras because they found the advanced technique mantra 
didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no 
money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 06/04/2014 03:32 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


How do you know it is the mantra you're remembering? (This isn't a 
deep philosophical query.) Say your mantra is "potato" and you *hear* 
yourself repeating "potahto" then you'd be relaxed about that as we 
are encouraged to allow the syllable to mutate without trying to think 
it clearly. So the mantra can settle down to being a vague pulse and 
we're cool.



What I was curious about was those advanced techniques. When you learn 
a new mantra - and with additional syllables - doesn't it require 
effort to keep reminding yourself that you are repeating the new 
mantra correctly? So wouldn't it be less effective than the simple 
bija mantra beginners are given which are chosen precisely because 
they can be easily forgotten?


Funny you should mention that.  On my TTC when MMY came to make us 
teachers he also gave out advanced techniques.  On the flight back home 
folks were running around asking "do you remember the mantra that MMY 
gave you for an advanced technique?"  A number of people could not or 
were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself).




(On a related note: does repeating the sidhi mantras not require a 
more conscious effort than regular TM? - they seem to be repeated with 
eyes open judging by film footage of hoppers - so I'm guessing TM 
takes you deeper than samyama.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[marty...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

yoga chitta vritti nirodha: yoga is the cessation of the fluctuations of the 
mind
 

 I think MMY was deliberately vague about this matter: because what it means to 
return to the mantra at gross levels of thought is very different from what it 
means when "hovering" just above pure consciousness, when mantra and thought 
are experienced as subtle impulses of feeling. 

 

 There's something to be said for not actually caring how it works, because too 
much concern about the mechanics keeps the meditator in the realm of 
expectation. And which is why dropping all expectations and analysis before 
sitting in meditation is so useful.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re "There's no monitoring required to "do" TM. In fact, you can get lost for 
hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be 
"doing" TM correctly.": 

 I have wondered if people with OCD or similar obsessive habits can think a 
mantra "effortlessly" !
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Robin explained to you why that first remark of Maharishi's is misleading. 

 That was the post I linked to earlier; I gather you didn't bother to reread 
it. 

 It's really one of his better posts.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One thing I keep in mind with all these expressions of higher states is that 
Maharishi said that Unity meant being able to express the full value of any 
siddhi at any time, and that until that were the case, any experience was of no 
more validity than a philosophical stance. 

 

 He also said that practicing the TM-Sidhis would be an eye-opener for some 
people as to what state of consciousness they were really in.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Have you ever had a spiritual experience that you told no one about, and then 
you find yourself reading it on-line, from someone you have never met, or, 
listening to a friend describe the same thing? 

 I just found my old 7 SOC tape by MMY, and it was queued up for CC, and he 
specifically mentions, "attunement with universal intelligence and power". No 
one really talks in terms of that much, and yet, it is the key, both to 
assessing one's progress, spiritually, and here on earth, too.
 

 Although there are no ways to measure Brahman (by definition), there are 
things said, and written, here and there, that allow us to gauge our progress. 
Jay's book is a good example. I read one of his many years ago, and these 
quotes may be from that one - nonetheless, there is something that resonates in 
his descriptions, that wouldn't, if he were just making it up.
 

 After CC stabilizes, there is no reason to look for false hope in higher 
states of consciousness, anyway, since the truth of life is always 
self-evident. It is a waste of time to mood make, even before it starts. 
 

 The universe always finds a way to get its message out, positively, or 
negatively. My ongoing goal is to maximize my attunement with the universe, it 
being a lot bigger than I am, and take it from there. I have always focused 
more on concrete achievements in life, though it is fascinating to discover 
correlates to states of consciousness, that were previously thought to be 
unavailable. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state 
actually exists. 

 We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple "Unity" letalone 
anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to 
as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, 
floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness & 
becomes a part of Brahman

"Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention 
is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it 
-- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only 
fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is 
in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is 
on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on 
this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only 
the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, 
and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also 
participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of 
Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade 
focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near 
environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther 
values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time 
comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole 
thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And 
that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its 
different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's 
Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity."

 ~Maharishi~

 ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~

~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~

 * * * * * * *


 "From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part."


 ~Maharishi~

 ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

How do you know it is the mantra you're remembering? (This isn't a deep 
philosophical query.) Say your mantra is "potato" and you *hear* yourself 
repeating "potahto" then you'd be relaxed about that as we are encouraged to 
allow the syllable to mutate without trying to think it clearly. So the mantra 
can settle down to being a vague pulse and we're cool. 
 What I was curious about was those advanced techniques. When you learn a new 
mantra - and with additional syllables - doesn't it require effort to keep 
reminding yourself that you are repeating the new mantra correctly? So wouldn't 
it be less effective than the simple bija mantra beginners are given which are 
chosen precisely because they can be easily forgotten?
 

 (On a related note: does repeating the sidhi mantras not require a more 
conscious effort than regular TM? - they seem to be repeated with eyes open 
judging by film footage of hoppers - so I'm guessing TM takes you deeper than 
samyama.) 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I am in complete agreement, that without consequent worldly success, all the 
spiritual proclamations in the world, are worthless. Eye on the ball. 
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One thing I keep in mind with all these expressions of higher states is that 
Maharishi said that Unity meant being able to express the full value of any 
siddhi at any time, and that until that were the case, any experience was of no 
more validity than a philosophical stance. 

 

 He also said that practicing the TM-Sidhis would be an eye-opener for some 
people as to what state of consciousness they were really in.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Have you ever had a spiritual experience that you told no one about, and then 
you find yourself reading it on-line, from someone you have never met, or, 
listening to a friend describe the same thing? 

 I just found my old 7 SOC tape by MMY, and it was queued up for CC, and he 
specifically mentions, "attunement with universal intelligence and power". No 
one really talks in terms of that much, and yet, it is the key, both to 
assessing one's progress, spiritually, and here on earth, too.
 

 Although there are no ways to measure Brahman (by definition), there are 
things said, and written, here and there, that allow us to gauge our progress. 
Jay's book is a good example. I read one of his many years ago, and these 
quotes may be from that one - nonetheless, there is something that resonates in 
his descriptions, that wouldn't, if he were just making it up.
 

 After CC stabilizes, there is no reason to look for false hope in higher 
states of consciousness, anyway, since the truth of life is always 
self-evident. It is a waste of time to mood make, even before it starts. 
 

 The universe always finds a way to get its message out, positively, or 
negatively. My ongoing goal is to maximize my attunement with the universe, it 
being a lot bigger than I am, and take it from there. I have always focused 
more on concrete achievements in life, though it is fascinating to discover 
correlates to states of consciousness, that were previously thought to be 
unavailable. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state 
actually exists. 

 We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple "Unity" letalone 
anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to 
as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, 
floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness & 
becomes a part of Brahman

"Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention 
is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it 
-- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only 
fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is 
in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is 
on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on 
this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only 
the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, 
and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also 
participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of 
Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade 
focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near 
environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther 
values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time 
comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole 
thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And 
that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its 
different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's 
Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity."

 ~Maharishi~

 ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~

~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~

 * * * * * * *


 "From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part."


 ~Maharishi~

 ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Or like me, you just find it interesting, and enjoyable - like collecting 
coins, or hiking in the wilderness. The unfolding of enlightenment can have the 
same elements of breathless discovery, and achievement, like anything else. Ego 
tripping is always a danger, but that is a well recognized pitfall. Any 
responsible witness of one's personal path would have to take it into account, 
to make any progress at all, given the subject matter - lol. I can hack it, and 
so I enjoy my endless journey, stumbles, fumbles and all, with endless 
curiosity about what lies up ahead. Happy trails!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Unless you day job is to talk about, teach about, philosophize about, or even 
conduct scientific research on, these various purported states. 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less about 
what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied.
 
 On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   "According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back 
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), 
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC 
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that 
BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what 
he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it 
takes some time to begin to function in BC."
 
 
 Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of enlightenment, 
although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven states, because we still 
identify with a self. UC is everything, *in terms of the self*. There is still 
false ownership going on - very subtle, but it creates a boundary between 
whoever we sense ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is. 
 
 
 Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an SOC, like 
any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, incorporating all 
permutations of the identified seven states.  
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:anartaxius@... wrote :
 
 According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back 
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), 
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC 
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that 
BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what 
he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it 
takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is 
entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it 
is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, 
he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than 
experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow 
you know it is there. 
 
 Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that 
enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement 
that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other 
hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about 
experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of continuous 
experience, is rather a perspective one has about all kinds of experiences. In 
relation to what Latham reported, BC would not be an experience, the transition 
to BC would be an experience in which the perspective one has about experience 
'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in general, 
not what the experience is. So before this shift, you interpret experience in 
certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' interpret experience a different way, 
but the experiences are basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This 
is the seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of 
thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all 
this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that presents 
enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description 
based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing a snake when 
only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and enlightenment is an all 
together different animal.
 
 
 We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and Latham, who 
said that all those states were basically untrue as far as enlightenment was 
concerned, Maharishi agreeing.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 P.S.: According to Robin, his experience was not t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

One thing I keep in mind with all these expressions of higher states is that 
Maharishi said that Unity meant being able to express the full value of any 
siddhi at any time, and that until that were the case, any experience was of no 
more validity than a philosophical stance. 

 

 He also said that practicing the TM-Sidhis would be an eye-opener for some 
people as to what state of consciousness they were really in.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Have you ever had a spiritual experience that you told no one about, and then 
you find yourself reading it on-line, from someone you have never met, or, 
listening to a friend describe the same thing? 

 I just found my old 7 SOC tape by MMY, and it was queued up for CC, and he 
specifically mentions, "attunement with universal intelligence and power". No 
one really talks in terms of that much, and yet, it is the key, both to 
assessing one's progress, spiritually, and here on earth, too.
 

 Although there are no ways to measure Brahman (by definition), there are 
things said, and written, here and there, that allow us to gauge our progress. 
Jay's book is a good example. I read one of his many years ago, and these 
quotes may be from that one - nonetheless, there is something that resonates in 
his descriptions, that wouldn't, if he were just making it up.
 

 After CC stabilizes, there is no reason to look for false hope in higher 
states of consciousness, anyway, since the truth of life is always 
self-evident. It is a waste of time to mood make, even before it starts. 
 

 The universe always finds a way to get its message out, positively, or 
negatively. My ongoing goal is to maximize my attunement with the universe, it 
being a lot bigger than I am, and take it from there. I have always focused 
more on concrete achievements in life, though it is fascinating to discover 
correlates to states of consciousness, that were previously thought to be 
unavailable. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state 
actually exists. 

 We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple "Unity" letalone 
anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to 
as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, 
floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness & 
becomes a part of Brahman

"Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention 
is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it 
-- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only 
fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is 
in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is 
on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on 
this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only 
the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, 
and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also 
participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of 
Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade 
focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near 
environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther 
values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time 
comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole 
thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And 
that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its 
different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's 
Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity."

 ~Maharishi~

 ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~

~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~

 * * * * * * *


 "From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part."


 ~Maharishi~

 ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Have you ever had a spiritual experience that you told no one about, and then 
you find yourself reading it on-line, from someone you have never met, or, 
listening to a friend describe the same thing? 

 I just found my old 7 SOC tape by MMY, and it was queued up for CC, and he 
specifically mentions, "attunement with universal intelligence and power". No 
one really talks in terms of that much, and yet, it is the key, both to 
assessing one's progress, spiritually, and here on earth, too.
 

 Although there are no ways to measure Brahman (by definition), there are 
things said, and written, here and there, that allow us to gauge our progress. 
Jay's book is a good example. I read one of his many years ago, and these 
quotes may be from that one - nonetheless, there is something that resonates in 
his descriptions, that wouldn't, if he were just making it up.
 

 After CC stabilizes, there is no reason to look for false hope in higher 
states of consciousness, anyway, since the truth of life is always 
self-evident. It is a waste of time to mood make, even before it starts. 
 

 The universe always finds a way to get its message out, positively, or 
negatively. My ongoing goal is to maximize my attunement with the universe, it 
being a lot bigger than I am, and take it from there. I have always focused 
more on concrete achievements in life, though it is fascinating to discover 
correlates to states of consciousness, that were previously thought to be 
unavailable. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state 
actually exists. 

 We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple "Unity" letalone 
anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to 
as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, 
floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness & 
becomes a part of Brahman

"Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention 
is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it 
-- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only 
fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is 
in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is 
on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on 
this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only 
the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, 
and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also 
participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of 
Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade 
focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near 
environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther 
values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time 
comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole 
thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And 
that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its 
different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's 
Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity."

 ~Maharishi~

 ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~

~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~

 * * * * * * *


 "From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part."


 ~Maharishi~

 ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I found the post describing his experience at Arosa. Remember that he wrote 
this only a couple of years later, not recently.
 

 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/316412 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/316412

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh, stop it, Lawson. This is all just so silly. I think it was my word, and 
all it implied was that his Unity consciousness, according to him, arrived 
full-blown on the mountain at Arosa. I posted his description of that event 
written a few years later. Did you read it? 

 There's virtually nothing we can figure out about his state of consciousness 
by parsing words, especially in Robin's absence. You're acting like a 
prosecutor, and that's not just inappropriate in this context, it's utterly 
useless.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Dawning of Unity" is a very intersting choice of words, in this context. 

 Are they your words or his?
 

 "Dawn" implies much more to come.
 

 

 L
 












 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Did you not read teh descriptions of "self" from Fred's research? 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the 
ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of 
continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha 
vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, 
can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but 
experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been 
near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness & 
becomes a part of Brahman

"Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention 
is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it 
-- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only 
fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is 
in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is 
on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on 
this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only 
the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, 
and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also 
participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of 
Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade 
focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near 
environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther 
values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time 
comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole 
thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And 
that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its 
different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's 
Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity."

 ~Maharishi~

 ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~

~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~

 * * * * * * *


 "From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part."


 ~Maharishi~

 ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Eh.  

 MMY had a specific way of interpreting things. It has allowed Fred Travis and 
others to publish research on CC and get it published in major journals.
 

 It has allowed Fred to talk to famous scientists about conducting new research 
on CC.
 

 

 That's marketing of a sort, I guess.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Which are only talked about for "marketing purposes."  Most other gurus just 
talk about "moksha" or  liberation.
 
 On 06/04/2014 02:05 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   Unless you day job is to talk about, teach about, philosophize about, or 
even conduct scientific research on, these various purported states.
 

 

 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less about 
what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied.
 
 On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   "According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back 
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), 
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC 
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that 
BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what 
he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it 
takes some time to begin to function in BC."
 
 
 Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of enlightenment, 
although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven states, because we still 
identify with a self. UC is everything, *in terms of the self*. There is still 
false ownership going on - very subtle, but it creates a boundary between 
whoever we sense ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is. 
 
 
 Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an SOC, like 
any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, incorporating all 
permutations of the identified seven states.  
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:anartaxius@... wrote :
 
 According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back 
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), 
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC 
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that 
BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what 
he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it 
takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is 
entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it 
is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, 
he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than 
experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow 
you know it is there. 
 
 Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that 
enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement 
that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other 
hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about 
experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of continuous 
experience, is rather a perspective one has about all kinds of experiences. In 
relation to what Latham reported, BC would not be an experience, the transition 
to BC would be an experience in which the perspective one has about experience 
'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in general, 
not what the experience is. So before this shift, you interpret experience in 
certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' interpret experience a different way, 
but the experiences are basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This 
is the seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of 
thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all 
this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that presents 
enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description 
based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing a snake when 
only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and enlightenment is an all 
together different animal.
 
 
 We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and Latham, who 
said that all those states were basically untrue as far as enlightenment was 
concerned, Maharishi agreeing.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 P.S.: According to Robin, his experience was not that he "fell out of Un

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the 
ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of 
continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha 
vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, 
can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but 
experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been 
near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness & 
becomes a part of Brahman

"Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention 
is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it 
-- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only 
fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is 
in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is 
on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on 
this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only 
the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, 
and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also 
participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of 
Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade 
focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near 
environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther 
values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time 
comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole 
thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And 
that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its 
different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's 
Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity."

 ~Maharishi~

 ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~

~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~

 * * * * * * *


 "From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part."


 ~Maharishi~

 ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Which are only talked about for "marketing purposes."  Most other gurus 
just talk about "moksha" or  liberation.


On 06/04/2014 02:05 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Unless you day job is to talk about, teach about, philosophize about, 
or even conduct scientific research on, these various purported states.




L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less 
about what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied.


On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:



"According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some
years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self
reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course
thatthe whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and
Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that
BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its
dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat
on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in
BC."


Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of
enlightenment, although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven
states, because we still identify with a self. UC is everything,
*in terms of the self*. There is still false ownership going on -
very subtle, but it creates a boundary between whoever we sense
ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is.

Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really
an SOC, like any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive
knowing, incorporating all permutations of the identified seven
states.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some
years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self
reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that
the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi
seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman
Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in
what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your
back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. I
am not always sure Maharishi is entirely consistent in describing
these end states of enlightenment because it is not really
possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago,
he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of
knowledge (rather than experience like a state). That is you
don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow you know it is there.

Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense
that enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems
implied in the movement that enlightenment is some kind of
continuous state of experience. On the other hand, if
enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about
experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of
continuous experience, is rather a perspective one has about all
kinds of experiences. In relation to what Latham reported, BC
would not be an experience, the transition to BC would be an
experience in which the perspective one has about experience
'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience
in general, not what the experience is. So before this shift, you
interpret experience in certain ways, and after the shift, 'you'
interpret experience a different way, but the experiences are
basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This is the
seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope
kind of thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the
experience. Until this, all this talk about states of
consciousness is basically a scheme that presents enlightenment
in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description
based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing
a snake when only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and
enlightenment is an all together different animal.

We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said,
and Latham, who said that all those states were basically untrue
as far as enlightenment was concerned, Maharishi agreeing.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

P.S.: According to Robin, his experience was not that he "fell
out of Unity," but rather that he deliberately pulled himself out
of it and back to waking state during the 25 years /after/ he
realized things had gone badly wrong. He never said anything
about the Unity experience having gone away unti

Re: [FairfieldLife] Primary Day

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

So you want to live in "Bladerunner World" where everything is run by a 
one or a few corporations? Figures.


On 06/04/2014 02:01 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


And the US military needs to privatize also.


I mean, using private security to guard US military may have been a 
necessity during the war, but now everyone must realize that it's The 
RIght Thing To Do™ and they'll keep the private security force forever 
after because it's cheaper to hire private security to guard bases 
than to pay for a military person to do so...


Everyone knows that private security forces always get paid far less 
than the equivalent military people.


L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 6/4/2014 10:45 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


> California did pass an referendum to help homeless vets and get
them
> off the streets. Really that should be funded by taxing the defense
> industry and it really should just be a federal government
program for
> folks who have served in the military. Right now our war mongers
just
> use people to fight their wars of empire and them dump them on the
> street afterward in a "slam bam thank you ma'am fashion."
>

When are you going to understand that large government run programs
always fail? The government isn't able to run large projects such as the
VA or health care, or even the Post Office. There's no pilot at the
controls - what we need is a real leader and a smaller government.

"The Senate’s failed, irrelevant plan to throw $20 billion at Veterans
Affairs problems."
Washington Examiner:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/the-senates-failed-irrelevant-plan-to-throw-20-billion-at-veterans-affairs-problems/article/2549159

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Unless you day job is to talk about, teach about, philosophize about, or even 
conduct scientific research on, these various purported states. 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less about 
what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied.
 
 On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   "According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back 
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), 
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC 
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that 
BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what 
he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it 
takes some time to begin to function in BC."
 
 
 Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of enlightenment, 
although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven states, because we still 
identify with a self. UC is everything, *in terms of the self*. There is still 
false ownership going on - very subtle, but it creates a boundary between 
whoever we sense ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is. 
 
 
 Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an SOC, like 
any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, incorporating all 
permutations of the identified seven states.  
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:anartaxius@... wrote :
 
 According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back 
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), 
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC 
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that 
BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what 
he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it 
takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is 
entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it 
is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, 
he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than 
experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow 
you know it is there. 
 
 Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that 
enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement 
that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other 
hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about 
experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of continuous 
experience, is rather a perspective one has about all kinds of experiences. In 
relation to what Latham reported, BC would not be an experience, the transition 
to BC would be an experience in which the perspective one has about experience 
'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in general, 
not what the experience is. So before this shift, you interpret experience in 
certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' interpret experience a different way, 
but the experiences are basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This 
is the seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of 
thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all 
this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that presents 
enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description 
based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing a snake when 
only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and enlightenment is an all 
together different animal.
 
 
 We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and Latham, who 
said that all those states were basically untrue as far as enlightenment was 
concerned, Maharishi agreeing.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 P.S.: According to Robin, his experience was not that he "fell out of Unity," 
but rather that he deliberately pulled himself out of it and back to waking 
state during the 25 years after he realized things had gone badly wrong. He 
never said anything about the Unity experience having gone away until he 
decided it was responsible for what had happened and set out to rid himself of 
it (a long, exceedingly torturous process, according to him). 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 No, we can't be sure of that. Robin was something of a special case in many 
respects. Again, we simply aren't in a position to say 

[FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Perhaps "vague" is the wrong choice of words: "open to interpretation" might be 
a better choice. 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The thing that many people seem to miss, is that the very act of noticing "I'm 
not thinking the mantra" often (generally? always?) involves thinking teh 
mantra. 

 

 "Don't think of pink elephants" invariable involves thinking of pink elephants 
in some way.
 

 Likewise, noticing "I'm not thinking 'the mantra'" involves the mantra in 
someway, or at least that is generally been my experience
 

 ...maybe not always, for everyone, in ever case, and thereby hangs the 
confusion...
 

 

 And this, in my opinion, is why the instructions are so vague.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 
 As MMY used to point out: 
  
 Recollecting the mantra (boing, boing) is simple, natural remembering and does 
not require some special or applied effort at recall. Therefore, the first 
shift of attention from thinking/feeling/sensing is effortless because 
remembering the mantra is effortless.
  
 Recognizing “Oh, I am now thinking” is also a natural occurrence and does not 
require self-reflective examination, mental analysis or any type of 
self-monitoring process. Therefore, the second shift of attention is also 
effortless.
  
 Therefore … since two shifts of attention were effortless, likewise the third 
shift.
  
 Returning to the mantra (boing, boing), is the third shift of attention and is 
just recollecting it like the first shift of attention … “I was thinking of 
something other than the mantra. “Oh … boing, boing”.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Primary Day

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

And the US military needs to privatize also. 

 I mean, using private security to guard US military may have been a necessity 
during the war, but now everyone must realize that it's The RIght Thing To Do™ 
and they'll keep the private security force forever after because it's cheaper 
to hire private security to guard bases than to pay for a military person to do 
so...
 

 Everyone knows that private security forces always get paid far less than the 
equivalent military people.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 6/4/2014 10:45 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 > California did pass an referendum to help homeless vets and get them 
 > off the streets. Really that should be funded by taxing the defense 
 > industry and it really should just be a federal government program for 
 > folks who have served in the military. Right now our war mongers just 
 > use people to fight their wars of empire and them dump them on the 
 > street afterward in a "slam bam thank you ma'am fashion."
 >
 When are you going to understand that large government run programs 
 always fail? The government isn't able to run large projects such as the 
 VA or health care, or even the Post Office. There's no pilot at the 
 controls - what we need is a real leader and a smaller government.
 
 "The Senate’s failed, irrelevant plan to throw $20 billion at Veterans 
 Affairs problems."
 Washington Examiner:
 
http://washingtonexaminer.com/the-senates-failed-irrelevant-plan-to-throw-20-billion-at-veterans-affairs-problems/article/2549159
 
http://washingtonexaminer.com/the-senates-failed-irrelevant-plan-to-throw-20-billion-at-veterans-affairs-problems/article/2549159

[FairfieldLife] Re: "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

The thing that many people seem to miss, is that the very act of noticing "I'm 
not thinking the mantra" often (generally? always?) involves thinking teh 
mantra. 

 

 "Don't think of pink elephants" invariable involves thinking of pink elephants 
in some way.
 

 Likewise, noticing "I'm not thinking 'the mantra'" involves the mantra in 
someway, or at least that is generally been my experience
 

 ...maybe not always, for everyone, in ever case, and thereby hangs the 
confusion...
 

 

 And this, in my opinion, is why the instructions are so vague.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 
 As MMY used to point out: 
  
 Recollecting the mantra (boing, boing) is simple, natural remembering and does 
not require some special or applied effort at recall. Therefore, the first 
shift of attention from thinking/feeling/sensing is effortless because 
remembering the mantra is effortless.
  
 Recognizing “Oh, I am now thinking” is also a natural occurrence and does not 
require self-reflective examination, mental analysis or any type of 
self-monitoring process. Therefore, the second shift of attention is also 
effortless.
  
 Therefore … since two shifts of attention were effortless, likewise the third 
shift.
  
 Returning to the mantra (boing, boing), is the third shift of attention and is 
just recollecting it like the first shift of attention … “I was thinking of 
something other than the mantra. “Oh … boing, boing”.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state 
actually exists. 

 We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple "Unity" letalone 
anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to 
as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, 
floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness & 
becomes a part of Brahman

"Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention 
is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it 
-- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only 
fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is 
in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is 
on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on 
this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only 
the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, 
and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also 
participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of 
Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade 
focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near 
environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther 
values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time 
comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole 
thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And 
that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its 
different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's 
Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity."

 ~Maharishi~

 ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~

~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~

 * * * * * * *


 "From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part."


 ~Maharishi~

 ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Isn't it Vedic City where GMOs are banned, NOT Fairfield? 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 6/4/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 > Obama helping with global warming, as if that negates what he did viz 
 > a viz our food supply!
 >
 So, they want to build a food co-op at Fairfield, but not in town, to 
 sell GMO foods to the people, but the people will have to drive in their 
 cars to get the GMO food? Gas prices are going way up and coal is being 
 phased out - so how will people be able to afford gasoline to drive 
 anywhere and heat their homes in the winter? There needs to be a long 
 range sensible plan so that ordinary people can afford a home and eat. 
 The rent is already too damn high. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday

[merudanda]

Clearly this the Secret Service being sarcastic, except you all missed it... 

'The simpson's done it first''
The Simpsons - Sarcasm Detector https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ra6qKzXDA 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ra6qKzXDA 
 
 The Simpsons - Sarcasm Detector https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ra6qKzXDA 
this baby is off the charts!
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ra6qKzXDA 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

Sarcasmoholics Anonymous 
Sarcasmoholics Anonymous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4QS8nL6bY 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4QS8nL6bY 
 
 Sarcasmoholics Anonymous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4QS8nL6bY 
Burnistoun S01E05
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4QS8nL6bY 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

If you watch that you  will never see the number ELEVEN or  look at those voice 
activated things in the same way again---
mmh sorry it is about voice..not watch-see-look The problem of accents and 
voice recognition systems
Burnistoun S1E1 - Voice Recognition Elevator - ELEVEN! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ#t=43 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ#t=43 
 
 Burnistoun S1E1 - Voice Recognition Elevator - EL... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ#t=43 For those having trouble with 
the accent, see transcript below. [Iain] Where's the buttons? [Rob] Oh no, 
they've installed voice-recognition technology in t...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ#t=43 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

Into your heart it will creep
Paranoia strikes now deep, .
Man comes and takes you away 
Starts when you're always afraid. 
Get out of line; 
Beware Turquoise stinging bee
Its capabilities will  not only include “sentiment analysis,”
more importantly "influencer identification"

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less 
about what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied.


On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


"According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some 
years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self 
reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course thatthe 
whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to 
agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, 
was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as 
Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes 
some time to begin to function in BC."



Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of 
enlightenment, although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven 
states, because we still identify with a self. UC is everything, *in 
terms of the self*. There is still false ownership going on - very 
subtle, but it creates a boundary between whoever we sense ourselves 
to be, in UC, and what simply is.


Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an 
SOC, like any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, 
incorporating all permutations of the identified seven states.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years 
back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his 
experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing 
of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with 
him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the 
only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's 
words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to 
begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is entirely 
consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it 
is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard 
years ago, he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of 
knowledge (rather than experience like a state). That is you don't 
feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow you know it is there.


Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that 
enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the 
movement that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of 
experience. On the other hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind 
of knowledge you have about experience, enlightenment does not have to 
be some kind of continuous experience, is rather a perspective one has 
about all kinds of experiences. In relation to what Latham reported, 
BC would not be an experience, the transition to BC would be an 
experience in which the perspective one has about experience 
'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in 
general, not what the experience is. So before this shift, you 
interpret experience in certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' 
interpret experience a different way, but the experiences are 
basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This is the seeing 
the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of thing. 
It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all 
this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that 
presents enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are 
basically a description based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC 
are all just seeing a snake when only a rope is there; these states 
are a lie, and enlightenment is an all together different animal.


We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and 
Latham, who said that all those states were basically untrue as far as 
enlightenment was concerned, Maharishi agreeing.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

P.S.: According to Robin, his experience was not that he "fell out of 
Unity," but rather that he deliberately pulled himself out of it and 
back to waking state during the 25 years /after/ he realized things 
had gone badly wrong. He never said anything about the Unity 
experience having gone away until he decided it was responsible for 
what had happened and set out to rid himself of it (a long, 
exceedingly torturous process, according to him).



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

No, we can't be sure of that. Robin was something of a special case in 
many respects. Again, we simply aren't in a position to say what was 
going on with him.


And as I just told you--and you have convenienly ignored--he never 
used the term "fully enlightened" to describe his state in his FFL 
posts, nor did he attribute it to Maharishi.


Finally, there's no evidence that he stopped meditating until after 
things had fallen apart and he realized something was badly wrong. I 
told you that too, and you've ignored it as well. There doesn't seem 
to ha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Primary Day

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 06/04/2014 12:28 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
> On 6/4/2014 10:45 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>> California did pass an referendum to help homeless vets and get them
>> off the streets. Really that should be funded by taxing the defense
>> industry and it really should just be a federal government program for
>> folks who have served in the military. Right now our war mongers just
>> use people to fight their wars of empire and them dump them on the
>> street afterward in a "slam bam thank you ma'am fashion."
>   >
> When are you going to understand that large government run programs
> always fail? The government isn't able to run large projects such as the
> VA or health care, or even the Post Office. There's no pilot at the
> controls - what we need is a real leader and a smaller government.

They used to be good at it.  Lots of vets took advantage of the G.I. 
Bill for higher education.  The post office was okay until it started 
being run as a corporation and then the Repugs passed a bill to make 
them pay for pensions of workers not even born yet.

They want you broke as a 16th century village pauper so they can buy 
your property for pennies on the dollar and rule over you like a king.  
And you just roll over and let them do it?








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: The Attention Economy

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 06/04/2014 12:16 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


On 6/4/2014 10:40 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


So make a conscious effort to do things way out of your norm to 
poison your profile.  Also if you post your picture use morphings 
software to obfuscate it enough so the NSA can't figure out which 
picture of you is real.

>
You sound really scared. Are you thinking the NSA doesn't have access 
to your California DL photo?


The best way to flummox tyranny is through chaos.  No Richard, I'm not 
scared.  The people who believe that it is important to spy on Americans 
are obviously subspecies and beneath us.  Mock them every chance you get.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 10:51 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>
> actually, Maharishi enver said there was effot involved. Someone else 
> kept insisting that there HAD to be effot involved, and the topic was 
> "thinking the mantra," not monitoring whether or not you WERE thinking 
> the mantra.
>
>
> Sheesh.
>
> How many ways can people misunderstand simple instructions?
>
> Small wonder more people aren't getting enlightened.
 >
"Confusion arises from erroneously identifying words, objects, and ideas 
with one another; knowledge of the cries of all creatures comes through 
perfect discipline of the distinctions between them" (Patanjali, Yoga 
Sutra 3.17).

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness & becomes 
a part of Brahman

"Now,
 in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of 
attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- 
the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the 
subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole 
paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main
 focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the 
third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So,
 there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the 
first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self,
 and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus
 also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little 
more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and 
then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we
 start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability
 to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the 
Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic 
universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely 
cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last 
[furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different 
characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity
 Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity."

~Maharishi~

~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz 
-- 2011~

* * * * * * *

"From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, 
Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part."


~Maharishi~

~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973
~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 
2011~

Re: [FairfieldLife] Primary Day

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 10:45 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
> California did pass an referendum to help homeless vets and get them 
> off the streets. Really that should be funded by taxing the defense 
> industry and it really should just be a federal government program for 
> folks who have served in the military. Right now our war mongers just 
> use people to fight their wars of empire and them dump them on the 
> street afterward in a "slam bam thank you ma'am fashion."
 >
When are you going to understand that large government run programs 
always fail? The government isn't able to run large projects such as the 
VA or health care, or even the Post Office. There's no pilot at the 
controls - what we need is a real leader and a smaller government.

"The Senate’s failed, irrelevant plan to throw $20 billion at Veterans 
Affairs problems."
Washington Examiner:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/the-senates-failed-irrelevant-plan-to-throw-20-billion-at-veterans-affairs-problems/article/2549159
 







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, the Heartland Co-op is a proposed granary and fertilizer plant. Only 
18 wheelers and choo choo trains will be driving to it (-:



On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:05 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
On 6/4/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
> Obama helping with global warming, as if that negates what he did viz 
> a viz our food supply!
>
So, they want to build a food co-op at Fairfield, but not in town, to 
sell GMO foods to the people, but the people will have to drive in their 
cars to get the GMO food? Gas prices are going way up and coal is being 
phased out - so how will people be able to afford gasoline to drive 
anywhere and heat their homes in the winter? There needs to be a long 
range sensible plan so that ordinary people can afford a home and eat. 
The rent is already too damn high. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/4/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
> Obama helping with global warming, as if that negates what he did viz 
> a viz our food supply!
 >
So, they want to build a food co-op at Fairfield, but not in town, to 
sell GMO foods to the people, but the people will have to drive in their 
cars to get the GMO food? Gas prices are going way up and coal is being 
phased out - so how will people be able to afford gasoline to drive 
anywhere and heat their homes in the winter? There needs to be a long 
range sensible plan so that ordinary people can afford a home and eat. 
The rent is already too damn high. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back 
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), 
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC 
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that 
BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what 
he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it 
takes some time to begin to function in BC." 

 Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of enlightenment, 
although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven states, because we still 
identify with a self. UC is everything, *in terms of the self*. There is still 
false ownership going on - very subtle, but it creates a boundary between 
whoever we sense ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is. 
 

 Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an SOC, like 
any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, incorporating all 
permutations of the identified seven states.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back 
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), 
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC 
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that 
BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what 
he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it 
takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is 
entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it 
is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, 
he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than 
experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow 
you know it is there. 

 Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that 
enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement 
that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other 
hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about 
experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of continuous 
experience, is rather a perspective one has about all kinds of experiences. In 
relation to what Latham reported, BC would not be an experience, the transition 
to BC would be an experience in which the perspective one has about experience 
'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in general, 
not what the experience is. So before this shift, you interpret experience in 
certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' interpret experience a different way, 
but the experiences are basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This 
is the seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of 
thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all 
this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that presents 
enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description 
based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing a snake when 
only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and enlightenment is an all 
together different animal.
 

 We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and Latham, who 
said that all those states were basically untrue as far as enlightenment was 
concerned, Maharishi agreeing.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: According to Robin, his experience was not that he "fell out of Unity," 
but rather that he deliberately pulled himself out of it and back to waking 
state during the 25 years after he realized things had gone badly wrong. He 
never said anything about the Unity experience having gone away until he 
decided it was responsible for what had happened and set out to rid himself of 
it (a long, exceedingly torturous process, according to him). 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, we can't be sure of that. Robin was something of a special case in many 
respects. Again, we simply aren't in a position to say what was going on with 
him. 

 And as I just told you--and you have convenienly ignored--he never used the 
term "fully enlightened" to describe his state in his FFL posts, nor did he 
attribute it to Maharishi.
 

 Finally, there's no evidence that he stopped meditating until after things had 
fallen apart and he realized something was badly wrong. I told you that too, 
and you've ignored it as well. There doesn't seem to have been a "CC" stage for 
him in any case--his experience at Arosa was that of the sudden dawning of 
Unity consciousness (as described by Maharishi) without going through the 
intermediate stages.
 

---In FairfieldL

[FairfieldLife] "No Effort" means no need for self-reflexive monitoring

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 As MMY used to point out: 
  
 Recollecting the mantra (boing, boing) is simple, natural remembering and does 
not require some special or applied effort at recall. Therefore, the first 
shift of attention from thinking/feeling/sensing is effortless because 
remembering the mantra is effortless.
  
 Recognizing “Oh, I am now thinking” is also a natural occurrence and does not 
require self-reflective examination, mental analysis or any type of 
self-monitoring process. Therefore, the second shift of attention is also 
effortless.
  
 Therefore … since two shifts of attention were effortless, likewise the third 
shift.
  
 Returning to the mantra (boing, boing), is the third shift of attention and is 
just recollecting it like the first shift of attention … “I was thinking of 
something other than the mantra. “Oh … boing, boing”.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Agreed - good analogy, too.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree. Even worse Barry equates his denial, with non-attachment, and thus 
convinces himself of his spiritual progress. However, he is making it 
increasingly clear, on here, by his overheated attempts at retribution, that he 
is fiercely attached to "getting even", which is the polar opposite of letting 
go. 

 He is kind of fascinating to watch, as an object lesson in ego-blindness. A 
very fragile, and unstable  personality, that one. 
 

 The fact that most here have bawee figured out will not make a difference to 
him. He has only one strategy and as pitiful and pathetic as it is we must 
accept him for the fact he can't seem to do more than this. It's like a guy who 
possesses one golf club in his golf bag and it is a 9 iron. Leaving the tee on 
a 450 yard hole is just not gonna get him to the green in less than 9 strokes. 
The least we could do is walk slowly to let him catch up as he duffs his way 
down the fairway. God only knows how he's gonna be able to putt with that thing.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't think Barry is even aware of it when his buttons have been pushed. 
It's a kind of denial. Just in general, Barry is seriously deficient in 
self-knowledge; he can't see his own patterns that are so obvious to the rest 
of us.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I just find it odd, that Barry seems to feel he has monopoly on this button 
pushing thing.  I guess you can define "having your buttons pushed", in number 
of different ways. 

 A person says something you disagree with, and you respond.  Did you just get 
your buttons pushed?
 

 Somebody says something in a way that denigrates you, (or someone else), which 
could have been said in much less confrontational way, and you object to it.  
Did you just get your buttons pushed?
 

 You are a thinking, feeling human being, and someone says something 
insensitive, or designed to insult you, and you have a reaction, if only for a 
moment.  Did you just get your buttons pushed?
 

 I guess for Barry, it is a mark of distinction to claim, "I never get my 
buttons pushed"
 

 Or how 'bout. "I ain't got no stinkin buttons to be pushed"
 

 Ookaay.
 

 
 














 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back 
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), 
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC 
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that 
BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what 
he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it 
takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is 
entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it 
is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, 
he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than 
experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow 
you know it is there. 

 Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that 
enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement 
that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other 
hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about 
experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of continuous 
experience, is rather a perspective one has about all kinds of experiences. In 
relation to what Latham reported, BC would not be an experience, the transition 
to BC would be an experience in which the perspective one has about experience 
'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in general, 
not what the experience is. So before this shift, you interpret experience in 
certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' interpret experience a different way, 
but the experiences are basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This 
is the seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of 
thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all 
this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that presents 
enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description 
based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing a snake when 
only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and enlightenment is an all 
together different animal.
 

 We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and Latham, who 
said that all those states were basically untrue as far as enlightenment was 
concerned, Maharishi agreeing.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: According to Robin, his experience was not that he "fell out of Unity," 
but rather that he deliberately pulled himself out of it and back to waking 
state during the 25 years after he realized things had gone badly wrong. He 
never said anything about the Unity experience having gone away until he 
decided it was responsible for what had happened and set out to rid himself of 
it (a long, exceedingly torturous process, according to him). 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, we can't be sure of that. Robin was something of a special case in many 
respects. Again, we simply aren't in a position to say what was going on with 
him. 

 And as I just told you--and you have convenienly ignored--he never used the 
term "fully enlightened" to describe his state in his FFL posts, nor did he 
attribute it to Maharishi.
 

 Finally, there's no evidence that he stopped meditating until after things had 
fallen apart and he realized something was badly wrong. I told you that too, 
and you've ignored it as well. There doesn't seem to have been a "CC" stage for 
him in any case--his experience at Arosa was that of the sudden dawning of 
Unity consciousness (as described by Maharishi) without going through the 
intermediate stages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Gee, if he's not enlightened now, then we can be sure he wasn't "fully 
enlightened" back then, either, eh? 

 

 And as I said, Maharishi asking him to describe his legitimate Unity 
experiences says nothing about whether Robin would CONTINUE to have Unity 
experiences tomorrow or whatever.
 

 Maharishi made it explicit over and over again that meditation was vital 
during the awakening of CC, and by extension, as long as there was growth to be 
had along the CC axis, that meditation would always be useful or even necessary 
for further growth along that axis.
 

 And my impression of Robin is that he always had a bit of waking state ego 
that was constantly trying to get approval from Maharishi. Of course, the same 
could be said of Maharishi and Gurudev.
 

 

 

 L
 

 

[FairfieldLife] A musical interlude to lighten things up

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

A little tune to offset the seemingly serious discussion of whether a nutjob 
was enlightened. Trust me...the video is both more intelligent and more 
interesting than the subject of discussion ever was.  :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKPWWG6efqY

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

How do you interpret my words "way off track," Lawson? Do you even read what I 
write in my posts? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You think that buzzing the Dome in helicopters and dropping leaflets on people 
wasn't a bit off? 

 You think that convincing a lawyer to violate laws (which was mentioned in the 
court proceedings) wasn't a bit off?
 

 

 Robin was clearly unbalanced at that point, which goes along with my analysis 
that whatever was going on his head involved large amounts of unstressing.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't know the story behind Robin's adding to the sutras, so I can't comment 
on what he intended. At the time, he obviously thought Maharishi would approve, 
or he wouldn't have demanded that he validate it for the court case. According 
to Robin, Maharishi's denial, without explanation, in his recorded deposition 
came as a complete, shocking surprise. 

 No, I don't think "co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher" is a better way of 
putting it. As far as I'm aware, the sutra additions were the only thing that 
could be described that way, and as I say, he assumed Maharishi would approve, 
and gave up without argument when he didn't.
 

 I have no idea what was going on in his mind at that point; obviously it was 
way off track. But then remember his experience was that he was acting not of 
his own free will but at the behest of cosmic forces (which he decided much 
later were not benign).
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, 
but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is 
the kind of thing that I would call "co-opting Maharishi's teaching." 

 Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but 
that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was 
appropriate for him to do so.
 

 Perhaps "co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher" is a better way of putting it.
 

 

 L.
 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

I wrote:

 Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've 
already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he 
did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the 
changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused 
to give permission, and Robin gave up.
 

 Add: "...refused to give permission or endorse his enlightenment"
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

I don't recall that MMY claimed that one couldnt' glimpse Unity for a while and 
then fall away, especially if one still has to continue stabilizing CC via TM 
and elects not to do TM. 

 Once the CC goes, the UC no longer can exist.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
This is one of the reasons I think all these states of consciousness outlined 
by Marshy the Huckster are just a bunch of blabber. By his definition, Unity is 
PERMANENT! One does not have it and then leave it. If it is our true nature, 
how could one fall out of it after realizing one's true self? I still think 
that all of our "states" of awareness are part of the whole experience of being 
human and you can experience any or all of it anytime. One goes in and out of a 
plethora of "states of consciousness." Its all there. 

 

 Some people like maybe Nisagardatta and folks like that seem to remain in that 
"state" of Unity for years sometimes from the time they say they "woke up" till 
they croak. But even that is suspect in my opinion since we mainly have their 
word for it, and the word of people who are wowed by them and need to believe 
their chosen guru has it all together.
 

 Personally I think all this states of consciousness stuff is just a hope and a 
way of feeling special. 

 

 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
 
 
   I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if 
not, er, perfectly clear). Excerpt:
 

 "What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was 
intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the 
drama of *individuation*. I certainly had perfect confidence that Maharishi, 
eventually, would confer upon me an official status which would enable all 
those who were devoted to him to be initiated into the reality of what seemed 
empirically undeniable; namely, that one's life, the providence of one's 
personal history, was the universe's attempt to create a perfect kind of 
individuality through the drama that, metaphysically, was contained in the 
context of one's life--especially in relationship with other human beings.
 
"As vivid and real as this seemed to me while I was in Unity Consciousness--and 
everyone who participated in this adventure with me became convinced of this 
truth of the intrinsic meaningfulness of one's life in a very personal 
sense--and acted out and applied this truth in their own life quite independent 
of myself--as vivid and real as this was, it now, after coming down from 
enlightenment, seems unreal to me.


 "But that is what I was seeking from Maharishi: the official imprimatur which 
would enable all his initiators/governors to recognize the complementary 
reality to transcendence: perfect individuation through becoming sensitive to 
the inherent drama of one's personal life. That life was arranged to make 
manifest this drama

 

 "I only wanted the TM initiators to know the secret that seemed to have been 
uncovered through my enlightenment. The secret of Western Civilization as seen 
through the Veda in the form of an enlightenment which appeared to confer equal 
significance to the Self and the self."

 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720

 

 I still don't think "co-opt" is quite the right term, but clearly he felt 
Maharishi's teaching needed this additional component (at least in the West) 
that only he, Robin, could supply.
 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, 
but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is 
the kind of thing that I would call "co-opting Maharishi's teaching." 

 Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but 
that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was 
appropriate for him to do so.
 

 Perhaps "co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher" is a better way of putting it.
 

 I think to some degree you are correct in that he felt he could impart some of 
the techniques and add his own "spin" to them. He didn't get the siddhis until 
some of his TM teacher group "followers" taught them to him. At that point we 
all got his version of them even though must of us had the original siddhis 
taught to us via the normal channels. I believe his actions in this case were 
fueled by the sense that he could do no wrong created by his then current state 
(of enlightenment) coupled with a healthy dose of ego generated by the illusion 
created by his hallucinatory state. It is by his own admission that he felt his 
enlightenment to be a delusion, hallucinatory. 
 

 

 L.
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Robin never intended to not be a part of the organization, actually. He wanted 
to reform it, not leave it. 

 And he didn't "want" anything specific after he became enlightened. According 
to him, his experience was that he no longer had any personal desires. If you 
read his posts, what Xeno goes on to say matches what he has said of that 
experience. Don't mistake what he said that I quoted below for a perspective 
that he adopted personally, even though it's expressed that way now. At the 
time, it was, in his experience, a perspective that was bestowed upon him, that 
he had no choice but to adopt--or in Xeno's words, "just another object in the 
field of experience."
 

 Finally, as far as he was concerned, his experience was exactly what Maharishi 
described in a passage from SBAL that I posted at one point. Don't have time to 
look it up now.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Whether or not Robin co-opted Maharishi's teaching is to me not an important 
point, since every teacher that goes out on their own rather than being part of 
some organization has co-opted the teachings of those before them and probably 
added to, and subtracted from them as well.
 

 I do not see here in what Robin says that he knew what enlightenment was, but 
there is a problem in my saying this because the essential value that various 
traditions ascribe to this idea of enlightenment would seem to be undefined, 
indescribable because it is beyond the ability of thought to encompass except 
by the poor use of analogy and metaphor which means one has to 'read between 
the lines' to grasp what is being talked about, and if you do not know what is 
being talked about you cannot grasp the significance of the metaphor. This 
would lead to the conclusion that you cannot actually ever say what 
enlightenment is. 
 

 My thought here is Robin wanted to be co-equal with infinity while retaining 
individuality rather than just be infinity. This is not to say that in 
'enlightenment' there is no experience of ego, but that the interpretation of 
experience is not via the ego in enlightenment, it is just another object in 
the field of experience. In 'ignorance' the interpretation of experience is via 
the ego, through the small self. In enlightenment, experience is interpreted as 
a function of the totality of consciousness, which is not a persons 
individuality. But as enlightenment is essentially undefined, that probably 
cannot mean much.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if 
not, er, perfectly clear). Excerpt: 

 "What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was 
intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the 
drama of *individuation*. I certainly had perfect confidence that Maharishi, 
eventually, would confer upon me an official status which would enable all 
those who were devoted to him to be initiated into the reality of what seemed 
empirically undeniable; namely, that one's life, the providence of one's 
personal history, was the universe's attempt to create a perfect kind of 
individuality through the drama that, metaphysically, was contained in the 
context of one's life—--especially in relationship with other human beings.
 
"As vivid and real as this seemed to me while I was in Unity 
Consciousness--—and everyone who participated in this adventure with me became 
convinced of this truth of the intrinsic meaningfulness of one's life in a very 
personal sense—--and acted out and applied this truth in their own life quite 
independent of myself—--as vivid and real as this was, it now, after coming 
down from enlightenment, seems unreal to me.


 "But that is what I was seeking from Maharishi: the official imprimatur which 
would enable all his initiators/governors to recognize the complementary 
reality to transcendence: perfect individuation through becoming sensitive to 
the inherent drama of one's personal life. That life was arranged to make 
manifest this drama

 

 "I only wanted the TM initiators to know the secret that seemed to have been 
uncovered through my enlightenment. The secret of Western Civilization as seen 
through the Veda in the form of an enlightenment which appeared to confer equal 
significance to the Self and the self."

 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720

 

 I still don't think "co-opt" is quite the right term, but clearly he felt 
Maharishi's teaching needed this additional component (at least in the West) 
that only he, Robin, could supply.
 

 Right, I had forgotten some of the details of this whole drama I was involved 
in for 3.5 years. It was about the personal-ness, the individuation, the West. 
Robin felt he embodied much of what was best about t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

You think that buzzing the Dome in helicopters and dropping leaflets on people 
wasn't a bit off? 

 You think that convincing a lawyer to violate laws (which was mentioned in the 
court proceedings) wasn't a bit off?
 

 

 Robin was clearly unbalanced at that point, which goes along with my analysis 
that whatever was going on his head involved large amounts of unstressing.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't know the story behind Robin's adding to the sutras, so I can't comment 
on what he intended. At the time, he obviously thought Maharishi would approve, 
or he wouldn't have demanded that he validate it for the court case. According 
to Robin, Maharishi's denial, without explanation, in his recorded deposition 
came as a complete, shocking surprise. 

 No, I don't think "co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher" is a better way of 
putting it. As far as I'm aware, the sutra additions were the only thing that 
could be described that way, and as I say, he assumed Maharishi would approve, 
and gave up without argument when he didn't.
 

 I have no idea what was going on in his mind at that point; obviously it was 
way off track. But then remember his experience was that he was acting not of 
his own free will but at the behest of cosmic forces (which he decided much 
later were not benign).
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, 
but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is 
the kind of thing that I would call "co-opting Maharishi's teaching." 

 Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but 
that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was 
appropriate for him to do so.
 

 Perhaps "co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher" is a better way of putting it.
 

 

 L.
 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

I wrote:

 Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've 
already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he 
did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the 
changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused 
to give permission, and Robin gave up.
 

 Add: "...refused to give permission or endorse his enlightenment"
 

[FairfieldLife] So what are you watching?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Last night I watched a movie on DVD called "Parts Per Billion" which is 
kind of an "On The Beach" but with a bioweapon instead of nukes killing 
off humanity.  It stars Frank Langella, Gena Rowlands, Rasario Dawson, 
Josh Harnett, Teresa Palmer and Penn Badgley.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2495104/

I watch a bunch of trailers for films released this week (in theaters 
and rentals).  I see Clark Gregg ("Agents of STEALTH") is in a comedy 
about and Hollywood booking agent which has a number of A-List actors in 
it. It's available for online rental.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2421416/

"Live, Die, Repeat" pairs Tom Cruise with Emily Blunt in a sci-fi action 
movie which seems to have an interesting theme.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1631867/

So what are you watching?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Gee, if he's not enlightened now, then we can be sure he wasn't "fully 
enlightened" back then, either, eh? 

 

 And as I said, Maharishi asking him to describe his legitimate Unity 
experiences says nothing about whether Robin would CONTINUE to have Unity 
experiences tomorrow or whatever.
 

 Maharishi made it explicit over and over again that meditation was vital 
during the awakening of CC, and by extension, as long as there was growth to be 
had along the CC axis, that meditation would always be useful or even necessary 
for further growth along that axis.
 

 And my impression of Robin is that he always had a bit of waking state ego 
that was constantly trying to get approval from Maharishi. Of course, the same 
could be said of Maharishi and Gurudev.
 

 

 

 L
 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, I sure don't know whether Maharishi could ever have declared someone to 
be "fully enlightened" or "permanently enlightened." I do know Robin never used 
either of those terms here to describe his state (I did a search), nor did he 
say Maharishi had. So that's just a red herring from your own imagination, one 
of the stories you made up. 

 And I think it's utterly absurd for either of us (or anyone on FFL, for that 
matter) to attempt to evaluate his state of consciousness back then, let alone 
argue about it, so I'm not going to do that. All we have are the words in his 
posts describing what it was like to be Robin during that period (30-plus years 
ago), and they can't possibly enable us to know experientially what that was 
like for him.
 

 Robin was convinced he was in Unity consciousness, and he believed Maharishi 
had confirmed it. According to him, Maharishi never told him he wasn't or tried 
to discourage him from anything he was doing when he went back to Canada and 
attracted a group of followers on the basis of his purported Unity 
consciousness. He didn't meet with any resistance from Maharishi until the 
court case at MIU, when Robin fully expected Maharishi to support him, and 
Maharishi didn't.
 

 You and I weren't there. We didn't know Robin, were never around him. We don't 
know exactly what Maharishi told him or what Maharishi thought. The only person 
here with personal knowledge of Robin while he was at MIU with his group was 
Ann.
 

 It's fine to harbor doubts, but we have to realize we simply aren't in a 
position to make any kind of judgment. There's too much we don't know, too much 
we can't know.
 

 Obviously something went badly wrong for him toward the end of the 10 years, 
but all we know is how it manifested itself in his behavior, and what he 
eventually concluded about it during the 25 years when he attempted, apparently 
successfully, to shed the state of consciousness he had been in and go back to 
plain old waking state.
 

 It's just all extremely weird. All I can say is that I'm sure Robin told his 
story from his perspective as accurately as he could.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I was dubious of his full enlightenment, and as far as I can tell, what 
Maharishi said to him isn't "you're fully enlightened," but "your experiences 
of Unity are valid -please share them." 

 If you look at how he described CC, GC, UC, etc., he couldn't possibly ever 
declare someone "fully enlightened" or even "permanently" enlightened.
 

 And Robin heard him as saying just that, as far as I can tell.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That was about all you ever said to him, that you were dubious of his 
enlightenment, to the best of my recollection. 

 Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've 
already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he 
did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the 
changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused 
to give permission, and Robin gave up.
 

 Part of the problem with your attitude toward Robin is that you didn't read 
many of his posts, or didn't read them with attention, so you kept getting the 
story confused and making up your own. That you would ask him two years ago 
whether he still meditated  is symptomatic.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'd have to take a long step back to be sure which swipes you think I've 
taken, otehr than chalenging Robin's take on his own enlightenment. 

 Of course, I have always held that neither Maharishi nor Gurudev was perfectly 
enlightened, either, but neither of them decided that they could take other 
people's students, without any formal nod from the previous teacher, and co-opt 
what they were being taught.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of course you take it as a swipe at Robin. As far as I can recall, you've done 
nothing but swipe at him ever since he got here. 

 He went to the trouble of writing you two long, detailed posts explaining how 
he vie

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Eh, Bevan feels that he has certain standards to uphold, but in this case, it 
sounds more like they just wanted to establish that the Sidha community was 
"special" and would be able to get "special" news that no-one else could get. 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
Because the TMO is still run by the TM Nazis

 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:53 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
 
 
   The meeting, showed that things are un-changed.   Bevan is busy all around 
the world still trying to preserve the way things are done. He gave a 
powerpoint travelogue to that effect.   At the start of the meeting Craig 
Pearson recounted the lead up to Jim Carrey doing the commencement speech. 
Craig related how thoroughly Jim Carrey thought about and prepared for the 
commencement. That part was real interesting on how Jim Carrey went about it 
and worked with people. Craig recounted a fun narrative about all that. 
Otherwise Craig mostly sat by in the meeting attending to Bevan. Seeing as this 
was billed as a special community meeting with Craig Pearson and Bevan both and 
was following the recent annual gathering of the Board of Trustees at the time 
of the university commencement one faith in going to the meeting was that this 
was going to be the time that Bevan was going to announce his going Emeritus 
from the MUM Presidency and let Craig have that title and do that job for a 
while as a strategic part in the progress and succession of things here with 
the University and meditating community. That was not to be the case. Bevan 
holds tight to the Presidency. Generally it was a nice meeting that anyone 
could have attended and been interested by. Nothing was said that anybody 
should not have heard. It did not necessarily need to be a 'badge only' event. 
Any person coming in would have been re-affirmed and interested in the scope of 
the meeting. However, it was not an open meeting and was kept special that way 
evidently by a choice. -Buck LEnglish5 writes:
 I ask again: what was this all about?

 

 Did anyone bother to attend? Has anyone spoken to anyone who attended?
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sooo...? 

 What was the meeting about? What was the exciting developments from teh visit 
by  Commencement speaker Jim Carrey?
 

 

 l
 
 
 

 
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
 
 
   Om, BTW, Not everyone is invited.
 

 [update: The following information regarding required badge was inadvertently 
omitted from the previous announcement: Please bring your current program badge 
or MUM ID. For other practitioners of the Transcendental Meditation program, 
please contact the Invincible America Department (472-1212 or email: iadept@... 
mailto:iadept@...).]
  
 Sunday, June 1st 
1:30 pm – 3:30 pm
Dalby Hall
 


 

 With Bevan and Craig Pearson.


 

 Special Afternoon with 
Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig Pearson

Sunday, June 1st 
1:30 pm – 3:30 pm
Dalby Hall
 
Reflections on Recent Graduation Events,
News, and Stories from Africa and Around the World
 
You are warmly invited to presentations by Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig 
Pearson as they share stories from this year’s fantastic graduation events—and 
exciting developments from the visit by Commencement speaker Jim Carrey. 
 
Dr. Morris will report on developments from his recent tour of eight nations in 
Africa, and also on the latest news from around the globe. Slides and video 
clips highlight his meetings with government and education leaders—including 
former Presidents—and with our Movement family. 
 
 
 Jai Guru Dev

 




 


 


















 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

actually, Maharishi enver said there was effot involved. Someone else kept 
insisting that there HAD to be effot involved, and the topic was "thinking the 
mantra," not monitoring whether or not you WERE thinking the mantra. 

 Sheesh.
 

 How many ways can people misunderstand simple instructions?
 

 Small wonder more people aren't getting enlightened.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of course there is monitoring to do in TM as a mental technique unless you are 
one of those who simply lays down or lounge back and go to sleep as your 
meditation.  I got these old tapes from India TTC where Maharishi very 
specifically goes through that TM does involve some [small] effort to attend to 
do.  That is okay.   

 TM meditation is actually something you sit the F up and do.  In style it is 
effortless effort that takes a doing and monitoring in its way.  And, more 
particularly in the advanced techniques TM becomes a type of vipassanaic 
meditation as you practice them.  That is okay.  By comparison with some strict 
buddhistic practice it would be nice if some of that meditation also 
incorporated transcendence like with TM advanced practice as these notes below 
also relate,  -Buck 

 

 LEnglish5 writes:

 

 There's no monitoring required to "do" TM. In fact, you can get lost for hours 
in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be "doing" TM 
correctly. 

 L
 

 

 Vipassana and TM interwoven,
 Mindful Notes of a Fairfield meditating satsang:
 Vipassanaic TM:
 [Once upon a time at a meeting a few years ago in Fairfield, Iowa ] 
 ".. We’re going to talk about transcendence in relation to vaipassana. These 
two practices are interwoven for me. What has meshed? TM is a non-concentrative 
practice. Do you understand what that means?
  
 KG: You don’t focus on staying on the mantra, you can relax your mind.
  
 DG: The practice does require doing. When you notice you’re off the mantra, 
you come back to it. It’s not continuous repetition, but it does require 
monitoring. There is concentration to that degree.
  
 H: Effortless effort.
  
 JS: Vaipassana is in the same genre as TM, it’s a non-concentrative practice. 
However, it involves a little more doing than TM. We don’t normally practice 
meditation with the goal of gaining insight, whereas vaipassana does involve 
insight, insight into everything. It’s not limited to you. Anything can be an 
object of observation. 
  
 H: Is it like ritam?
  
 JS: When you merge these two practices together, you will transcend, you won’t 
stop yourself from transcending. A lot of Buddhist practitioners feel they have 
to stay in the present, so they keep themselves from transcending. They don’t 
differentiate between transcending and spacing out. We understand the 
difference. We know what it feels like to space out in meditation. So in this 
process I want you to favor transcending. It involves not favoring silence, not 
favoring thoughts. If you get in the transcendent and come up, you don’t say, I 
want to go back right away. You notice where you are on the elevator. You ask, 
where am I? Normally we don’t do this.
  
 C: Unless you have advanced techniques.
  
 JS: True, but these skills have gotten rusty. When we come back, we don’t 
often know where we are. Vaipassana is the subtle level of observation. The 
first thing you observe is the mechanics of consciousness. Buddhists don’t talk 
about this, but this is my experience. When you notice that you’re distracted 
from meditating, running your shopping list, you don’t want to be there, but 
you observe where you are on the elevator. What you learn about is tracing 
these subtle levels of observation through the levels of the transcendent, the 
roads that are built in the transcendent. The floating technique is based on 
this knowledge. When you’re working with intuition you need to be awake to the 
subtle levels of the transcendent. I was reluctant to go here because I’ve 
merged the two practices. I want you to practice vaipassana, 5-10 minutes, 
ideally with someone else from this group, even on the phone. I want you to 
talk about your experiences in order to ground it. I don’t want you to use your 
mantra. If it comes up, don’t force it out of the way, but treat it like 
another thought. But I don’t want you to come back to the mantra like in TM, 
because that has a different effect. You are going to come back to pure 
awareness. Everyone is capable of this after so many years of TM. I want you to 
use pure awareness as its own still point. Go in, start meditating, let go of 
the mantra if it comes up, go back to that pure awareness. It will have a 
quality of silence, but I want you to not hold to the silence. The silence will 
pull you down into it. With TM, we want to go into it. But now I want you to 
not be attached to the silence. An effect will happen. 
  
 DG: You’ll be awake to yourself.
  
 JS: Exactly. When you’re not holding to the mantra or the sile

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

No announcements about what Carrey's Commencement speech had done? 

 I told John Hagelin that it was a huge publicity boost for MUM with 1000+ news 
articles and 1 million+ webhits for MUM, many with links to either the video or 
the mum.edu website, or both,  and that they should ask Carrey to go on the 
morning show circuit with Bob Roth talking about TM.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The meeting, showed that things are un-changed.   Bevan is busy all around the 
world still trying to preserve the way things are done. He gave a powerpoint 
travelogue to that effect.   At the start of the meeting Craig Pearson 
recounted the lead up to Jim Carrey doing the commencement speech. Craig 
related how thoroughly Jim Carrey thought about and prepared for the 
commencement. That part was real interesting on how Jim Carrey went about it 
and worked with people. Craig recounted a fun narrative about all that. 
Otherwise Craig mostly sat by in the meeting attending to Bevan. Seeing as this 
was billed as a special community meeting with Craig Pearson and Bevan both and 
was following the recent annual gathering of the Board of Trustees at the time 
of the university commencement one faith in going to the meeting was that this 
was going to be the time that Bevan was going to announce his going Emeritus 
from the MUM Presidency and let Craig have that title and do that job for a 
while as a strategic part in the progress and succession of things here with 
the University and meditating community. That was not to be the case. Bevan 
holds tight to the Presidency. Generally it was a nice meeting that anyone 
could have attended and been interested by. Nothing was said that anybody 
should not have heard. It did not necessarily need to be a 'badge only' event. 
Any person coming in would have been re-affirmed and interested in the scope of 
the meeting. However, it was not an open meeting and was kept special that way 
evidently by a choice. -Buck LEnglish5 writes:
 I ask again: what was this all about?

 

 Did anyone bother to attend? Has anyone spoken to anyone who attended?
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sooo...? 

 What was the meeting about? What was the exciting developments from teh visit 
by  Commencement speaker Jim Carrey?
 

 

 l
 
 
 

 
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
 
 
   Om, BTW, Not everyone is invited.
 

 [update: The following information regarding required badge was inadvertently 
omitted from the previous announcement: Please bring your current program badge 
or MUM ID. For other practitioners of the Transcendental Meditation program, 
please contact the Invincible America Department (472-1212 or email: iadept@... 
mailto:iadept@...).]
  
 Sunday, June 1st 
1:30 pm – 3:30 pm
Dalby Hall
 


 

 With Bevan and Craig Pearson.


 

 Special Afternoon with 
Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig Pearson

Sunday, June 1st 
1:30 pm – 3:30 pm
Dalby Hall
 
Reflections on Recent Graduation Events,
News, and Stories from Africa and Around the World
 
You are warmly invited to presentations by Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig 
Pearson as they share stories from this year’s fantastic graduation events—and 
exciting developments from the visit by Commencement speaker Jim Carrey. 
 
Dr. Morris will report on developments from his recent tour of eight nations in 
Africa, and also on the latest news from around the globe. Slides and video 
clips highlight his meetings with government and education leaders—including 
former Presidents—and with our Movement family. 
 
 
 Jai Guru Dev

 




 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Whether or not Robin co-opted Maharishi's teaching is to me not an important 
point, since every teacher that goes out on their own rather than being part of 
some organization has co-opted the teachings of those before them and probably 
added to, and subtracted from them as well.
 

 I do not see here in what Robin says that he knew what enlightenment was, but 
there is a problem in my saying this because the essential value that various 
traditions ascribe to this idea of enlightenment would seem to be undefined, 
indescribable because it is beyond the ability of thought to encompass except 
by the poor use of analogy and metaphor which means one has to 'read between 
the lines' to grasp what is being talked about, and if you do not know what is 
being talked about you cannot grasp the significance of the metaphor. This 
would lead to the conclusion that you cannot actually ever say what 
enlightenment is. 
 

 My thought here is Robin wanted to be co-equal with infinity while retaining 
individuality rather than just be infinity. This is not to say that in 
'enlightenment' there is no experience of ego, but that the interpretation of 
experience is not via the ego in enlightenment, it is just another object in 
the field of experience. In 'ignorance' the interpretation of experience is via 
the ego, through the small self. In enlightenment, experience is interpreted as 
a function of the totality of consciousness, which is not a persons 
individuality. But as enlightenment is essentially undefined, that probably 
cannot mean much.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if 
not, er, perfectly clear). Excerpt: 

 "What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was 
intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the 
drama of *individuation*. I certainly had perfect confidence that Maharishi, 
eventually, would confer upon me an official status which would enable all 
those who were devoted to him to be initiated into the reality of what seemed 
empirically undeniable; namely, that one's life, the providence of one's 
personal history, was the universe's attempt to create a perfect kind of 
individuality through the drama that, metaphysically, was contained in the 
context of one's life—--especially in relationship with other human beings.
 
"As vivid and real as this seemed to me while I was in Unity 
Consciousness--—and everyone who participated in this adventure with me became 
convinced of this truth of the intrinsic meaningfulness of one's life in a very 
personal sense—--and acted out and applied this truth in their own life quite 
independent of myself—--as vivid and real as this was, it now, after coming 
down from enlightenment, seems unreal to me.


 "But that is what I was seeking from Maharishi: the official imprimatur which 
would enable all his initiators/governors to recognize the complementary 
reality to transcendence: perfect individuation through becoming sensitive to 
the inherent drama of one's personal life. That life was arranged to make 
manifest this drama

 

 "I only wanted the TM initiators to know the secret that seemed to have been 
uncovered through my enlightenment. The secret of Western Civilization as seen 
through the Veda in the form of an enlightenment which appeared to confer equal 
significance to the Self and the self."

 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720

 

 I still don't think "co-opt" is quite the right term, but clearly he felt 
Maharishi's teaching needed this additional component (at least in the West) 
that only he, Robin, could supply.
 

 Right, I had forgotten some of the details of this whole drama I was involved 
in for 3.5 years. It was about the personal-ness, the individuation, the West. 
Robin felt he embodied much of what was best about the personal, the dynamic, 
the energy of our culture and civilization of the modern western world.  He was 
all about the activity, the realness, taking advantage of the art, the music, 
the literature as a fully realized human being. But it was deeper than that 
too. It was combining, perfectly, the East and the West and it had to be deeply 
felt and deeply personal. I may be mis-remembering and I am sure Robin could 
correct me as it has been a very long time since I have thought about all of 
this, but I think I am accurate in most of what I am recalling. And I think 
this is what was so attractive to many of us; it wasn't just about sitting with 
eyes closed, it was about evolving, being part of this huge drama of life and 
of using depth and intimacy as a means to hasten our way toward enlightenment - 
combining TM with confrontation (demon tracking and annihilation), personal 
relationships and 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Primary Day

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

California did pass an referendum to help homeless vets and get them off 
the streets.  Really that should be funded by taxing the defense 
industry and it really should just be a federal government program for 
folks who have served in the military.  Right now our war mongers just 
use people to fight their wars of empire and them dump them on the 
street afterward in a "slam bam thank you ma'am fashion."


On 06/03/2014 08:47 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


On 6/3/2014 8:21 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

> It is Primary Day in California as well as other states. Is it in
> yours? Did you vote?
>
Yes, we both voted. We will be looking for a new mayor because the San
Antonio mayor is going to Washington to be the HUD Secretary for Obama.
The mayor's twin brother is a Senator from Texas. There are rumors that
Julian Castro might be Hillary Clinton's running mate if she decids to
run for president. Go figure

'Obama Taps San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro For HUD Secretary'
http://www.npr.org/2014/05/23/315275153/obama-taps-san-antonio-mayor-julian-castro-for-hud-secretary

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

What the Secret Service doesn't know is that FFL members learned a sutra 
long ago that will make them go blind if they spy on  the messages on FFL.


On 06/04/2014 03:29 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:* "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 



The meeting, showed that things are un-changed. Bevan is busy all 
around the world still trying to preserve the way things are done.


Because, after all, that has worked so well to preserve the sense of 
TM community and good will, keep the domes full to the max, create 
crimelessness (no riots, no murders) in Fairfield, and world peace (no 
wars, no soon-to-be-wars) around the globe. If it ain't broke, don't 
fix it.


[ Note: This post may require the new software described below to read 
properly. ]


Secret Service Software Will 'Detect Sarcasm' in Social Media Users 






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Secret Service Software Will 'Detect Sarcasm' in Social ... 
 

\'Sentiment analysis\' and \'access to historical Twitter data\' among 
the requirements.


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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

['Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:47 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing 
Other Teachers'

 

  

How many TM practitioners on Fairfield City Council besides the mayor? And what 
is their position on the Heartland Coop? And what position has MUM taken on the 
issue?

 

John Revolinski and Connie Boyer. John probably opposes it. Don’t know about 
Connie. Not aware of MUM having taken a position.

 

  _  

From: "'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com   
[FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> >
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com   
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing 
Other Teachers'

 

  

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com   
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:54 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing 
Other Teachers'

 

  

A tape of that session from Rick's TTC was probably the one I saw on the second 
phase of my TTC and was called "Other Techniques."

My tantra teacher and I would often go to visit other teachers in the area.

 

My TTC was Estes Park. Just audio taped, not videotaped. But I believe such a 
session was held on every TTC, and probably still is.



On 06/03/2014 08:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
  [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  

From: "'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com   
[FairfieldLife]"   


 

  

I never witnessed anything as intense as what Barry relates, but on our TTC, 
part of the training was an evening in which we brought up every other 
teacher/path/practice we could think of and Maharishi explained how and why TM 
was superior. 

 

A rather odd thing to do in itself, if you think about it, but it's part of a 
larger pattern -- give TM teachers "pat answers" to parrot whenever a question 
arises. The more often they hear them and repeat them, the more they come to 
actually believe them. 

 

I remember in one small meeting on my TTC when he gave such a "pat answer" 
about a technique that someone in the audience of prospective TM teachers had 
actually practiced before starting TM. The fellow stood up and said -- politely 
-- that Maharishi was wrong in what he said, and that the practice in question 
had *nothing* to do with the way that Maharishi had described it. The person 
saying this was sent home the next day, and was never allowed to became a 
teacher. At a later meeting on the same course, Maharishi repeated the same 
incorrect putdown of that technique, now fully aware that it wasn't true.  

 

Also, when Muktananda came to Seelisberg, after he left, MMY reportedly 
addressed his students in a way that suggested he was a bit nervous they might 
have found Muktananda more alluring than he, and be tempted to change camps.

 

I know someone from the Rama trip who was a Muktananda student, and who was 
actually present at one of those meetings with Maharishi. Suffice it to say 
that none of Muktananda's students needed such a "talking to," because were 
completely underwhelmed by Maharishi. 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com   
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 2:09 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other 
Teachers'

 

  

I just skimmed this, and want to read it more carefully later. Your primary 
involvement predated mine.

 

I had the opportunity to see MMY personally many times, but usually not in a 
small group, and usually not for administrative issues.

 

But never during my time did this issue of seeing other teachers come up.

 

I think it would be be helpful if we heard from another teacher who had the 
opportunity for personal interaction such as Rick.

 

The charges you make are pretty strong, and I think they bear a vetting by 
someone who may have a less prejudiced attitude.

 

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , 
mailto:turquoiseb@...> > wrote :

To provide some counterpoint to the chorus of excuses and cult apologetics 
spouted lately by people like Jim, Judy, and Lawson, who were *never there* to 
see how Maharishi "dealt with" those who committed the Cardinal Sin of "seeing 
other teachers," I'll provide a bit more information. After all, unlike these 
poseurs, I really *was* there, for many years, and sat in rooms with Maharishi 
as he lit into *dozens* of people for this supposed "sin." They weren't. The

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
This is one of the reasons I think all these states of consciousness outlined 
by Marshy the Huckster are just a bunch of blabber. By his definition, Unity is 
PERMANENT! One does not have it and then leave it. If it is our true nature, 
how could one fall out of it after realizing one's true self? I still think 
that all of our "states" of awareness are part of the whole experience of being 
human and you can experience any or all of it anytime. One goes in and out of a 
plethora of "states of consciousness." Its all there. 

 

 Some people like maybe Nisagardatta and folks like that seem to remain in that 
"state" of Unity for years sometimes from the time they say they "woke up" till 
they croak. But even that is suspect in my opinion since we mainly have their 
word for it, and the word of people who are wowed by them and need to believe 
their chosen guru has it all together.
 

 Personally I think all this states of consciousness stuff is just a hope and a 
way of feeling special. 

 

 I think it is likely that when we die we become 'enlightened'. Being 
physically dead either means you're totally gone or it means you've got an 
inside view to how it all works. I'm betting on the inside view - in the 
meantime I'll just enjoy this day, fill my five senses with as much sensation 
as I can and try and find a way to generate as much positivity and genuine 
feeling as I am able. I think one of the most useful things I got from hanging 
around the TM Movement is remembering the old chestnut, "Never do what you know 
to be wrong." 
 

 
 
 











 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if 
not, er, perfectly clear). Excerpt: 

 "What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was 
intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the 
drama of *individuation*. I certainly had perfect confidence that Maharishi, 
eventually, would confer upon me an official status which would enable all 
those who were devoted to him to be initiated into the reality of what seemed 
empirically undeniable; namely, that one's life, the providence of one's 
personal history, was the universe's attempt to create a perfect kind of 
individuality through the drama that, metaphysically, was contained in the 
context of one's life—--especially in relationship with other human beings.
 
"As vivid and real as this seemed to me while I was in Unity 
Consciousness--—and everyone who participated in this adventure with me became 
convinced of this truth of the intrinsic meaningfulness of one's life in a very 
personal sense—--and acted out and applied this truth in their own life quite 
independent of myself—--as vivid and real as this was, it now, after coming 
down from enlightenment, seems unreal to me.


 "But that is what I was seeking from Maharishi: the official imprimatur which 
would enable all his initiators/governors to recognize the complementary 
reality to transcendence: perfect individuation through becoming sensitive to 
the inherent drama of one's personal life. That life was arranged to make 
manifest this drama

 

 "I only wanted the TM initiators to know the secret that seemed to have been 
uncovered through my enlightenment. The secret of Western Civilization as seen 
through the Veda in the form of an enlightenment which appeared to confer equal 
significance to the Self and the self."

 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720

 

 I still don't think "co-opt" is quite the right term, but clearly he felt 
Maharishi's teaching needed this additional component (at least in the West) 
that only he, Robin, could supply.
 

 Right, I had forgotten some of the details of this whole drama I was involved 
in for 3.5 years. It was about the personal-ness, the individuation, the West. 
Robin felt he embodied much of what was best about the personal, the dynamic, 
the energy of our culture and civilization of the modern western world.  He was 
all about the activity, the realness, taking advantage of the art, the music, 
the literature as a fully realized human being. But it was deeper than that 
too. It was combining, perfectly, the East and the West and it had to be deeply 
felt and deeply personal. I may be mis-remembering and I am sure Robin could 
correct me as it has been a very long time since I have thought about all of 
this, but I think I am accurate in most of what I am recalling. And I think 
this is what was so attractive to many of us; it wasn't just about sitting with 
eyes closed, it was about evolving, being part of this huge drama of life and 
of using depth and intimacy as a means to hasten our way toward enlightenment - 
combining TM with confrontation (demon tracking and annihilation), personal 
relationships and involving ourself deeply with all the West had to offer. 
Consequently it was a lot of fun most of the time. It was like Robin was the 
Western representative of enlightenment and MMY was the Eastern rep.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, 
but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is 
the kind of thing that I would call "co-opting Maharishi's teaching." 

 Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but 
that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was 
appropriate for him to do so.
 

 Perhaps "co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher" is a better way of putting it.
 

 I think to some degree you are correct in that he felt he could impart some of 
the techniques and add his own "spin" to them. He didn't get the siddhis until 
some of his TM teacher group "followers" taught them to him. At that point we 
all got his version of them even though must of us had the original siddhis 
taught to us via the normal channels. I believe his actions in this case were 
fueled by the sense that he could do no wrong created by his then current state 
(of enlightenment) coupled with a healthy dose of ego generated by the illusion 
created by his hallucinatory state. It is by his own admission that he felt his 
enlightenment to be a delusion, hallucinatory. 
 

 

 L.
 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

I wrote:

 Also, Robin had no intentio

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This is one of the reasons I think all these states of consciousness outlined 
by Marshy the Huckster are just a bunch of blabber. By his definition, Unity is 
PERMANENT! One does not have it and then leave it. If it is our true nature, 
how could one fall out of it after realizing one's true self? I still think 
that all of our "states" of awareness are part of the whole experience of being 
human and you can experience any or all of it anytime. One goes in and out of a 
plethora of "states of consciousness." Its all there. 


Some people like maybe Nisagardatta and folks like that seem to remain in that 
"state" of Unity for years sometimes from the time they say they "woke up" till 
they croak. But even that is suspect in my opinion since we mainly have their 
word for it, and the word of people who are wowed by them and need to believe 
their chosen guru has it all together.

Personally I think all this states of consciousness stuff is just a hope and a 
way of feeling special. 




 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
 


  
I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if not, 
er, perfectly clear). Excerpt:

"What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was 
intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the 
drama of *individuation*. I certainly had perfect confidence that Maharishi, 
eventually, would confer upon me an official status which would enable all 
those who were devoted to him to be initiated into the reality of what seemed 
empirically undeniable; namely, that one's life, the providence of one's 
personal history, was the universe's attempt to create a perfect kind of 
individuality through the drama that, metaphysically, was contained in the 
context of one's life--especially in relationship with other human beings.
 
"As vivid and real as this seemed to me while I was in Unity Consciousness--and 
everyone who participated in this adventure with me became convinced of this 
truth of the intrinsic meaningfulness of one's life in a very personal 
sense--and acted out and applied this truth in their own life quite independent 
of myself--as vivid and real as this was, it now, after coming down from 
enlightenment, seems unreal to me.


"But that is what I was seeking from Maharishi: the official imprimatur which 
would enable all his initiators/governors to recognize the complementary 
reality to transcendence: perfect individuation through becoming sensitive to 
the inherent drama of one's personal life. That life was arranged to make 
manifest this drama


"I only wanted the TM initiators to know the secret that seemed to have been 
uncovered through my enlightenment. The secret of Western Civilization as seen 
through the Veda in the form of an enlightenment which appeared to confer equal 
significance to the Self and the self."


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720


I still don't think "co-opt" is quite the right term, but clearly he felt 
Maharishi's teaching needed this additional component (at least in the West) 
that only he, Robin, could supply.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, 
but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is 
the kind of thing that I would call "co-opting Maharishi's teaching."

Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but 
that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was 
appropriate for him to do so.

Perhaps "co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher" is a better way of putting it.

I think to some degree you are correct in that he felt he could impart some of 
the techniques and add his own "spin" to them. He didn't get the siddhis until 
some of his TM teacher group "followers" taught them to him. At that point we 
all gothis version of them even though must of us had the original siddhis 
taught to us via the normal channels. I believe his actions in this case were 
fueled by the sense that he could do no wrong created by his then current state 
(of enlightenment) coupled with a healthy dose of ego generated by the illusion 
created by his hallucinatory state. It is by his own admission that he felt his 
enlightenment to be a delusion, hallucinatory. 


L.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






I wrote:


Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've already 
pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he did 
indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the 
changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused 
t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

merudanda, my intuition tells me that *the powers that be* don't realize that 
they are awakening the full wrath of freedom lovers everywhere with this GMO 
situation. I recently unsubscribed to the Democratic Party newsletter and told 
them I did so because Obama had just signed the Monsanto Protection bill. 
Healthy food is such a basic right. BTW, great cartoon...
Since that bill signing, there are news items about Obama helping with global 
warming, as if that negates what he did viz a viz our food supply! Do they 
really think we're that stupid?!



On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:46 AM, merudanda  wrote:
 


  
Thanks for that narrative post and update info. Buck. Apology:  Jim Carrey  
received honorary Doctorate of Fine Arts not philosophy--seems being still in 
MIU  mental mode...
Since I just signed a petition  in support  of  Vermont and it could be that  
not many people caught his jab at Monsanto let us repeat Dr.J.C. joke:

“I’m here to plant a seed today. A seed that will inspire you to go forward in 
your life with enthusiastic hearts and a clear sense of wholeness. The question 
is, will that seed have a chance to take root or will I be sued by Monsanto?”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/28/jim-carrey-gives-emotional-funny-commencement-speech/
Is he he poking fun at the aggressive, overreaching nature of the biotech 
company that sues farmers for "patent infringements" - i.e., their patented 
product blew in the wind and landed in a non-contract field, actually 
contaminating that field or was it about label?
Has not Monsanto already filed 144 lawsuits against 410 farmers and 56 small 
farm businesses in at least 27 U.S. States, as of early last year according to 
HuffingtonPost?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/genetically-modified-seed-patent-report_n_2678837.html
Is it  really that shocking of the outspoken Dr.h.c. Carrey to have made such a 
remark to the graduates?The March Against Monsanto was taking place when he 
spoke, May 24th, and #EndMonsanto was a top-trending social media event. MUM is 
known for their ayurvedic philosophies and organic health outlook. They are  
one the first college to offer organic vegetarian meals to their students.
Of course you may argue that Dr Jim should have given his speech at Cal 
Poly. where GMO's began...
Biotech corporations  trying to rule Europe , too. For more than 15 years 
national governments  in Europe have fought against new GM crops and strongly 
defended their rights to ban them. In  freedom loving USA you are not allowed  
even to label them.
But we are in the same boat
"The United States parallels the EU in a similar regard. Just on the heels of 
Vermont passing the first state GMO food labeling law, the DARK Act of 2014 
(actual name is Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act’) threatens to nullify any 
past and future state laws regarding GMO labeling and bans."
Basically, the result of The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership 
(TTIP)  could -should be that biotech firms gets significant legal power in the 
future decisions of the nations regarding GMOs and place biotech corporations 
above European government!! and certainly above the individual member states 
and their people.

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/
Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) resources - Trade - 
European Commission
 
   Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTI...  
EU and US TTIP chief negotiators Ignacio Garcia Bercero and Dan Mullaney during 
the 5th round of negotiations in Arlington, USA, 19/23 May 2014. View all 
photos   
View on ec.europa.eu Preview by Yahoo
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if not, 
er, perfectly clear). Excerpt: 

 "What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was 
intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the 
drama of *individuation*. I certainly had perfect confidence that Maharishi, 
eventually, would confer upon me an official status which would enable all 
those who were devoted to him to be initiated into the reality of what seemed 
empirically undeniable; namely, that one's life, the providence of one's 
personal history, was the universe's attempt to create a perfect kind of 
individuality through the drama that, metaphysically, was contained in the 
context of one's life—--especially in relationship with other human beings.
 
"As vivid and real as this seemed to me while I was in Unity 
Consciousness--—and everyone who participated in this adventure with me became 
convinced of this truth of the intrinsic meaningfulness of one's life in a very 
personal sense—--and acted out and applied this truth in their own life quite 
independent of myself—--as vivid and real as this was, it now, after coming 
down from enlightenment, seems unreal to me.


 "But that is what I was seeking from Maharishi: the official imprimatur which 
would enable all his initiators/governors to recognize the complementary 
reality to transcendence: perfect individuation through becoming sensitive to 
the inherent drama of one's personal life. That life was arranged to make 
manifest this drama

 

 "I only wanted the TM initiators to know the secret that seemed to have been 
uncovered through my enlightenment. The secret of Western Civilization as seen 
through the Veda in the form of an enlightenment which appeared to confer equal 
significance to the Self and the self."

 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720

 

 I still don't think "co-opt" is quite the right term, but clearly he felt 
Maharishi's teaching needed this additional component (at least in the West) 
that only he, Robin, could supply.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, 
but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is 
the kind of thing that I would call "co-opting Maharishi's teaching." 

 Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but 
that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was 
appropriate for him to do so.
 

 Perhaps "co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher" is a better way of putting it.
 

 I think to some degree you are correct in that he felt he could impart some of 
the techniques and add his own "spin" to them. He didn't get the siddhis until 
some of his TM teacher group "followers" taught them to him. At that point we 
all got his version of them even though must of us had the original siddhis 
taught to us via the normal channels. I believe his actions in this case were 
fueled by the sense that he could do no wrong created by his then current state 
(of enlightenment) coupled with a healthy dose of ego generated by the illusion 
created by his hallucinatory state. It is by his own admission that he felt his 
enlightenment to be a delusion, hallucinatory. 
 

 

 L.
 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

I wrote:

 Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've 
already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he 
did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the 
changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused 
to give permission, and Robin gave up.
 

 Add: "...refused to give permission or endorse his enlightenment"
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree. Even worse Barry equates his denial, with non-attachment, and thus 
convinces himself of his spiritual progress. However, he is making it 
increasingly clear, on here, by his overheated attempts at retribution, that he 
is fiercely attached to "getting even", which is the polar opposite of letting 
go. 

 He is kind of fascinating to watch, as an object lesson in ego-blindness. A 
very fragile, and unstable  personality, that one. 
 

 The fact that most here have bawee figured out will not make a difference to 
him. He has only one strategy and as pitiful and pathetic as it is we must 
accept him for the fact he can't seem to do more than this. It's like a guy who 
possesses one golf club in his golf bag and it is a 9 iron. Leaving the tee on 
a 450 yard hole is just not gonna get him to the green in less than 9 strokes. 
The least we could do is walk slowly to let him catch up as he duffs his way 
down the fairway. God only knows how he's gonna be able to putt with that thing.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't think Barry is even aware of it when his buttons have been pushed. 
It's a kind of denial. Just in general, Barry is seriously deficient in 
self-knowledge; he can't see his own patterns that are so obvious to the rest 
of us.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I just find it odd, that Barry seems to feel he has monopoly on this button 
pushing thing.  I guess you can define "having your buttons pushed", in number 
of different ways. 

 A person says something you disagree with, and you respond.  Did you just get 
your buttons pushed?
 

 Somebody says something in a way that denigrates you, (or someone else), which 
could have been said in much less confrontational way, and you object to it.  
Did you just get your buttons pushed?
 

 You are a thinking, feeling human being, and someone says something 
insensitive, or designed to insult you, and you have a reaction, if only for a 
moment.  Did you just get your buttons pushed?
 

 I guess for Barry, it is a mark of distinction to claim, "I never get my 
buttons pushed"
 

 Or how 'bout. "I ain't got no stinkin buttons to be pushed"
 

 Ookaay.
 

 
 














 

[FairfieldLife] A Slow News Day in SC

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

A Slow News Day in South Carolina

http://www.thestate.com/2014/06/03/3484871/whopper-gator-found-hilton-head.html
 
   HILTON HEAD ISLAND, SC: Whopper gator found Hilt...
Joe Maffo got a call from Beaufort County emergency dispatch at about 1:30 a.m. 
May 31. Someone saw a large alligator on Old Cemetery Road and called 911.  
View on www.thestate.com Preview by Yahoo  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, 
but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is 
the kind of thing that I would call "co-opting Maharishi's teaching." 

 Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but 
that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was 
appropriate for him to do so.
 

 Perhaps "co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher" is a better way of putting it.
 

 I think to some degree you are correct in that he felt he could impart some of 
the techniques and add his own "spin" to them. He didn't get the siddhis until 
some of his TM teacher group "followers" taught them to him. At that point we 
all got his version of them even though must of us had the original siddhis 
taught to us via the normal channels. I believe his actions in this case were 
fueled by the sense that he could do no wrong created by his then current state 
(of enlightenment) coupled with a healthy dose of ego generated by the illusion 
created by his hallucinatory state. It is by his own admission that he felt his 
enlightenment to be a delusion, hallucinatory. 
 

 

 L.
 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

I wrote:

 Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've 
already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he 
did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the 
changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused 
to give permission, and Robin gave up.
 

 Add: "...refused to give permission or endorse his enlightenment"
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday

[merudanda]

Thanks for that narrative post and update info. Buck. Apology:  Jim Carrey  
received honorary Doctorate of Fine Arts not philosophy--seems being still in 
MIU  mental mode...
Since I just signed a petition  in support  of  Vermont and it could be that  
not many people caught his jab at Monsanto let us repeat Dr.J.C. joke:
 “I’m here to plant a seed today. A seed that will inspire you to go forward in 
your life with enthusiastic hearts and a clear sense of wholeness. The question 
is, will that seed have a chance to take root or will I be sued by Monsanto?”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/28/jim-carrey-gives-emotional-funny-commencement-speech/
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/28/jim-carrey-gives-emotional-funny-commencement-speech/
Is he he poking fun at the aggressive, overreaching nature of the biotech 
company that sues farmers for "patent infringements" - i.e., their patented 
product blew in the wind and landed in a non-contract field, actually 
contaminating that field or was it about label?
Has not Monsanto already filed 144 lawsuits against 410 farmers and 56 small 
farm businesses in at least 27 U.S. States, as of early last year according to 
HuffingtonPost?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/genetically-modified-seed-patent-report_n_2678837.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/genetically-modified-seed-patent-report_n_2678837.html
Is it  really that shocking of the outspoken Dr.h.c. Carrey to have made such a 
remark to the graduates?The March Against Monsanto was taking place when he 
spoke, May 24th, and #EndMonsanto was a top-trending social media event. MUM is 
known for their ayurvedic philosophies and organic health outlook. They are  
one the first college to offer organic vegetarian meals to their students.
Of course you may argue that Dr Jim should have given his speech at Cal 
Poly. where GMO's began...
Biotech corporations  trying to rule Europe , too. For more than 15 years 
national governments  in Europe have fought against new GM crops and strongly 
defended their rights to ban them. In  freedom loving USA you are not allowed  
even to label them.
But we are in the same boat
"The United States parallels the EU in a similar regard. Just on the heels of 
Vermont passing the first state GMO food labeling law, the DARK Act of 2014 
(actual name is Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act’) threatens to nullify any 
past and future state laws regarding GMO labeling and bans."
Basically, the result of The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership 
(TTIP)  could -should be that biotech firms gets significant legal power in the 
future decisions of the nations regarding GMOs and place biotech corporations 
above European government!! and certainly above the individual member states 
and their people.

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/ 
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/
Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) resources - Trade - 
European Commission 
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/resources/#videos 
 
 http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/resources/#videos 
 
 Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTI... 
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/resources/#videos EU and US TTIP 
chief negotiators Ignacio Garcia Bercero and Dan Mullaney during the 5th round 
of negotiations in Arlington, USA, 19/23 May 2014. View all photos 
 
 
 
 View on ec.europa.eu 
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/resources/#videos 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't know the story behind Robin's adding to the sutras, so I can't comment 
on what he intended. At the time, he obviously thought Maharishi would approve, 
or he wouldn't have demanded that he validate it for the court case. According 
to Robin, Maharishi's denial, without explanation, in his recorded deposition 
came as a complete, shocking surprise. 

 No, I don't think "co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher" is a better way of 
putting it. As far as I'm aware, the sutra additions were the only thing that 
could be described that way, and as I say, he assumed Maharishi would approve, 
and gave up without argument when he didn't.
 

 I have no idea what was going on in his mind at that point; obviously it was 
way off track. But then remember his experience was that he was acting not of 
his own free will but at the behest of cosmic forces (which he decided much 
later were not benign).
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, 
but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is 
the kind of thing that I would call "co-opting Maharishi's teaching." 

 Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but 
that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was 
appropriate for him to do so.
 

 Perhaps "co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher" is a better way of putting it.
 

 

 L.
 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

I wrote:

 Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've 
already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he 
did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the 
changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused 
to give permission, and Robin gave up.
 

 Add: "...refused to give permission or endorse his enlightenment"