Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Exactly - the small ego is transcended once CC is stable, and then this newly-permanent sense-of-self, discovered in CC, is first brought to fruition in UC, and again transcended, once a person begins to grow beyond UC. Yes, none of this is static, nor does it conform strictly to the implied linear path. For example, GC is more refinement of perception, than fundamental expansion of consciousness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Ego isn't really transcended in CC. All that happens in CC is that the physiological correlates of pure consciousness during TM have become strong enough and consistent enough outside of meditation that a pure sense of self is present at all times in all circumstances, whether one is waking, dreaming or sleeping. At this point, one starts to refer to this newly-permanent sense-of-self as one's real self, while all the things that people traditionally say are their self are less permanent and therefore not really their self. There's some degree of stabilization required to get to this point, so one is operating in a less-stressed way, but the only real difference is in the labeling: self vs everything else. And of course, maturation in this state means that the nervous system is becoming more and more stable/stress-free, so there is plenty of opportunity for further growth in terms of behavior and attitude, even without bringing higher states of enlightenment into the mix. No-one ever fully matures in even CC, given that we're talking about real physical systems, not some theoretical/philosophical state. And of course, maturation of GC and UC is ongoing forever after first obtaining them, as well. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : From what I can tell, UC is the highest state of consciousness, that uses the absolute identity of the Self, as a reference point. That is still a considerable limitation. Once the Self, and the identity are free from one another, then the states of consciousness after UC, come into view. Just as the small ego is transcended by stabilizing CC, the ego of the Self, fully realized in UC, is transcended eventually, too. So, yes, a dude, or dudette, experiencing UC, isn't experiencing full enlightenment - They are still collecting tools, for later use. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I was dubious of his full enlightenment, and as far as I can tell, what Maharishi said to him isn't you're fully enlightened, but your experiences of Unity are valid -please share them. If you look at how he described CC, GC, UC, etc., he couldn't possibly ever declare someone fully enlightened or even permanently enlightened. And Robin heard him as saying just that, as far as I can tell. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : That was about all you ever said to him, that you were dubious of his enlightenment, to the best of my recollection. Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused to give permission, and Robin gave up. Part of the problem with your attitude toward Robin is that you didn't read many of his posts, or didn't read them with attention, so you kept getting the story confused and making up your own. That you would ask him two years ago whether he still meditated is symptomatic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I'd have to take a long step back to be sure which swipes you think I've taken, otehr than chalenging Robin's take on his own enlightenment. Of course, I have always held that neither Maharishi nor Gurudev was perfectly enlightened, either, but neither of them decided that they could take other people's students, without any formal nod from the previous teacher, and co-opt what they were being taught. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Of course you take it as a swipe at Robin. As far as I can recall, you've done nothing but swipe at him ever since he got here. He went to the trouble of writing you two long, detailed posts explaining how he viewed the TM-Sidhis, basically saying you were technically correct, but that there were other considerations you weren't taking into account. The posts were kind amd generous; he didn't dump on you. If you wanted to refresh your memory, here are the two posts (the first is quoted in its entirety): https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/311759 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/311759 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Fair enough. We'd have to ask
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Small ego is what, exactly? In CC, or GC, or UC or whatever, there are still ambitions, goals, feelings of inadequacy or adequacy, egomania or humility,etc. It's all just physiological changes in the brain that bring about a shift in how the self and its relationship to the world is perceived, and as this shift occurs, and solidifies, these ambitions, goals, etc., become embedded in a more stress-free/perceptive/whatever nervous system, but there's no abrupt transition that I can see, looking at Fred's research. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Exactly - the small ego is transcended once CC is stable, and then this newly-permanent sense-of-self, discovered in CC, is first brought to fruition in UC, and again transcended, once a person begins to grow beyond UC. Yes, none of this is static, nor does it conform strictly to the implied linear path. For example, GC is more refinement of perception, than fundamental expansion of consciousness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Ego isn't really transcended in CC. All that happens in CC is that the physiological correlates of pure consciousness during TM have become strong enough and consistent enough outside of meditation that a pure sense of self is present at all times in all circumstances, whether one is waking, dreaming or sleeping. At this point, one starts to refer to this newly-permanent sense-of-self as one's real self, while all the things that people traditionally say are their self are less permanent and therefore not really their self. There's some degree of stabilization required to get to this point, so one is operating in a less-stressed way, but the only real difference is in the labeling: self vs everything else. And of course, maturation in this state means that the nervous system is becoming more and more stable/stress-free, so there is plenty of opportunity for further growth in terms of behavior and attitude, even without bringing higher states of enlightenment into the mix. No-one ever fully matures in even CC, given that we're talking about real physical systems, not some theoretical/philosophical state. And of course, maturation of GC and UC is ongoing forever after first obtaining them, as well. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : From what I can tell, UC is the highest state of consciousness, that uses the absolute identity of the Self, as a reference point. That is still a considerable limitation. Once the Self, and the identity are free from one another, then the states of consciousness after UC, come into view. Just as the small ego is transcended by stabilizing CC, the ego of the Self, fully realized in UC, is transcended eventually, too. So, yes, a dude, or dudette, experiencing UC, isn't experiencing full enlightenment - They are still collecting tools, for later use. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I was dubious of his full enlightenment, and as far as I can tell, what Maharishi said to him isn't you're fully enlightened, but your experiences of Unity are valid -please share them. If you look at how he described CC, GC, UC, etc., he couldn't possibly ever declare someone fully enlightened or even permanently enlightened. And Robin heard him as saying just that, as far as I can tell. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : That was about all you ever said to him, that you were dubious of his enlightenment, to the best of my recollection. Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused to give permission, and Robin gave up. Part of the problem with your attitude toward Robin is that you didn't read many of his posts, or didn't read them with attention, so you kept getting the story confused and making up your own. That you would ask him two years ago whether he still meditated is symptomatic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I'd have to take a long step back to be sure which swipes you think I've taken, otehr than chalenging Robin's take on his own enlightenment. Of course, I have always held that neither Maharishi nor Gurudev was perfectly enlightened, either, but neither of them decided that they could take other people's students, without any formal nod from the previous teacher, and co-opt what they were being taught. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Of course you take it as a swipe at Robin. As far as I can recall, you've done nothing but swipe at him ever since he got here. He went to the trouble of writing you two
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
I ask again: what was this all about? Did anyone bother to attend? Has anyone spoken to anyone who attended? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Sooo...? What was the meeting about? What was the exciting developments from teh visit by Commencement speaker Jim Carrey? l ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I'm gonna be on the front row! You and me both. I'm sure they'll welcome me with open arms, among other things. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday Om, BTW, Not everyone is invited. [update: The following information regarding required badge was inadvertently omitted from the previous announcement: Please bring your current program badge or MUM ID. For other practitioners of the Transcendental Meditation program, please contact the Invincible America Department (472-1212 or email: iadept@... mailto:iadept@...).] Sunday, June 1st 1:30 pm – 3:30 pm Dalby Hall With Bevan and Craig Pearson. Special Afternoon with Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig Pearson Sunday, June 1st 1:30 pm – 3:30 pm Dalby Hall Reflections on Recent Graduation Events, News, and Stories from Africa and Around the World You are warmly invited to presentations by Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig Pearson as they share stories from this year’s fantastic graduation events—and exciting developments from the visit by Commencement speaker Jim Carrey. Dr. Morris will report on developments from his recent tour of eight nations in Africa, and also on the latest news from around the globe. Slides and video clips highlight his meetings with government and education leaders—including former Presidents—and with our Movement family. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Monsanto is about to sue the state of Vermont.
Monsanto is suing the state of Vermont. http://action.sumofus.org/a/monsanto-sues-vermonts/?sub=fb http://action.sumofus.org/a/monsanto-sues-vermonts/?sub=fb Monsanto is suing the state of Vermont. http://action.sumofus.org/a/monsanto-sues-vermonts/?sub=fb What’s up with that? View on action.sumofus.org http://action.sumofus.org/a/monsanto-sues-vermonts/?sub=fb Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
The meeting, showed that things are un-changed. Bevan is busy all around the world still trying to preserve the way things are done. He gave a powerpoint travelogue to that effect. At the start of the meeting Craig Pearson recounted the lead up to Jim Carrey doing the commencement speech. Craig related how thoroughly Jim Carrey thought about and prepared for the commencement. That part was real interesting on how Jim Carrey went about it and worked with people. Craig recounted a fun narrative about all that. Otherwise Craig mostly sat by in the meeting attending to Bevan. Seeing as this was billed as a special community meeting with Craig Pearson and Bevan both and was following the recent annual gathering of the Board of Trustees at the time of the university commencement one faith in going to the meeting was that this was going to be the time that Bevan was going to announce his going Emeritus from the MUM Presidency and let Craig have that title and do that job for a while as a strategic part in the progress and succession of things here with the University and meditating community. That was not to be the case. Bevan holds tight to the Presidency. Generally it was a nice meeting that anyone could have attended and been interested by. Nothing was said that anybody should not have heard. It did not necessarily need to be a 'badge only' event. Any person coming in would have been re-affirmed and interested in the scope of the meeting. However, it was not an open meeting and was kept special that way evidently by a choice. -Buck LEnglish5 writes: I ask again: what was this all about? Did anyone bother to attend? Has anyone spoken to anyone who attended? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Sooo...? What was the meeting about? What was the exciting developments from teh visit by Commencement speaker Jim Carrey? l Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday Om, BTW, Not everyone is invited. [update: The following information regarding required badge was inadvertently omitted from the previous announcement: Please bring your current program badge or MUM ID. For other practitioners of the Transcendental Meditation program, please contact the Invincible America Department (472-1212 or email: iadept@... mailto:iadept@...).] Sunday, June 1st 1:30 pm – 3:30 pm Dalby Hall With Bevan and Craig Pearson. Special Afternoon with Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig Pearson Sunday, June 1st 1:30 pm – 3:30 pm Dalby Hall Reflections on Recent Graduation Events, News, and Stories from Africa and Around the World You are warmly invited to presentations by Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig Pearson as they share stories from this year’s fantastic graduation events—and exciting developments from the visit by Commencement speaker Jim Carrey. Dr. Morris will report on developments from his recent tour of eight nations in Africa, and also on the latest news from around the globe. Slides and video clips highlight his meetings with government and education leaders—including former Presidents—and with our Movement family. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
Of course there is monitoring to do in TM as a mental technique unless you are one of those who simply lays down or lounge back and go to sleep as your meditation. I got these old tapes from India TTC where Maharishi very specifically goes through that TM does involve some [small] effort to attend to do. That is okay. TM meditation is actually something you sit the F up and do. In style it is effortless effort that takes a doing and monitoring in its way. And, more particularly in the advanced techniques TM becomes a type of vipassanaic meditation as you practice them. That is okay. By comparison with some strict buddhistic practice it would be nice if some of that meditation also incorporated transcendence like with TM advanced practice as these notes below also relate, -Buck LEnglish5 writes: There's no monitoring required to do TM. In fact, you can get lost for hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be doing TM correctly. L Vipassana and TM interwoven, Mindful Notes of a Fairfield meditating satsang: Vipassanaic TM: [Once upon a time at a meeting a few years ago in Fairfield, Iowa ] .. We’re going to talk about transcendence in relation to vaipassana. These two practices are interwoven for me. What has meshed? TM is a non-concentrative practice. Do you understand what that means? KG: You don’t focus on staying on the mantra, you can relax your mind. DG: The practice does require doing. When you notice you’re off the mantra, you come back to it. It’s not continuous repetition, but it does require monitoring. There is concentration to that degree. H: Effortless effort. JS: Vaipassana is in the same genre as TM, it’s a non-concentrative practice. However, it involves a little more doing than TM. We don’t normally practice meditation with the goal of gaining insight, whereas vaipassana does involve insight, insight into everything. It’s not limited to you. Anything can be an object of observation. H: Is it like ritam? JS: When you merge these two practices together, you will transcend, you won’t stop yourself from transcending. A lot of Buddhist practitioners feel they have to stay in the present, so they keep themselves from transcending. They don’t differentiate between transcending and spacing out. We understand the difference. We know what it feels like to space out in meditation. So in this process I want you to favor transcending. It involves not favoring silence, not favoring thoughts. If you get in the transcendent and come up, you don’t say, I want to go back right away. You notice where you are on the elevator. You ask, where am I? Normally we don’t do this. C: Unless you have advanced techniques. JS: True, but these skills have gotten rusty. When we come back, we don’t often know where we are. Vaipassana is the subtle level of observation. The first thing you observe is the mechanics of consciousness. Buddhists don’t talk about this, but this is my experience. When you notice that you’re distracted from meditating, running your shopping list, you don’t want to be there, but you observe where you are on the elevator. What you learn about is tracing these subtle levels of observation through the levels of the transcendent, the roads that are built in the transcendent. The floating technique is based on this knowledge. When you’re working with intuition you need to be awake to the subtle levels of the transcendent. I was reluctant to go here because I’ve merged the two practices. I want you to practice vaipassana, 5-10 minutes, ideally with someone else from this group, even on the phone. I want you to talk about your experiences in order to ground it. I don’t want you to use your mantra. If it comes up, don’t force it out of the way, but treat it like another thought. But I don’t want you to come back to the mantra like in TM, because that has a different effect. You are going to come back to pure awareness. Everyone is capable of this after so many years of TM. I want you to use pure awareness as its own still point. Go in, start meditating, let go of the mantra if it comes up, go back to that pure awareness. It will have a quality of silence, but I want you to not hold to the silence. The silence will pull you down into it. With TM, we want to go into it. But now I want you to not be attached to the silence. An effect will happen. DG: You’ll be awake to yourself. JS: Exactly. When you’re not holding to the mantra or the silence, an awakening takes place inside, an openness to the self, a lucidity. You will awake to the meditation process. After that awakening occurs, you’re going to ask yourself, where am I in the elevator? Most likely you’re going to be at level 3 or 4 above the transcendent. I want you to notice the feeling of that in your body, what it feels like to wake up to that level of the transcendent. There will be a felt
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com The meeting, showed that things are un-changed. Bevan is busy all around the world still trying to preserve the way things are done. Because, after all, that has worked so well to preserve the sense of TM community and good will, keep the domes full to the max, create crimelessness (no riots, no murders) in Fairfield, and world peace (no wars, no soon-to-be-wars) around the globe. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. [ Note: This post may require the new software described below to read properly. ] Secret Service Software Will 'Detect Sarcasm' in Social Media Users Secret Service Software Will 'Detect Sarcasm' in Social ... \'Sentiment analysis\' and \'access to historical Twitter data\' among the requirements. View on www.nextgov.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Human Spirituality and Collapse of the Wave Function
Cardemaister, Ohhmm that voltage of the [spiritual] heart! This is really an important post you offer here. This spiritual 'heart of the matter' that you offer here actually seems to be where much of the meditating community has gone on to with all of its satsanga here otherwise. It is a lot of a reason inside the Dome that the numbers languish so. But apparently Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam and John Hagelin are together in Europe. As scientists and spiritual people my bet is that the TM research will swing to study this aspect of the heart system in spirituality. That evidently is where the cutting edge of science and spirituality is. Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam and John Hagelin are people of great heart. We will see a change of spiritual front coming out of the head and in to the heart around this lead by these two of great science. The whole subtle system is where it is going. Spirituality evidently is way more than just transcending. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck Yep; this is really a Brilliant presentation of all that is modern in the world. Now we are getting to the apex of Knowledge in the world. Is a Powerfully present model of spirituality and spiritual progress ultimately being in the refinement of bio-consciousness in the human body-mind complex. 100Mv or more, should be the battle cry of the forces of illumination over the dullness of egnorance! May the Force of the Unified Field be with You! !Power to the People with more science education and meditation and spirituality everywhere! -Buck in the Dome Dear FFL, Let's change the original subject heading of this thread. Yogic flying seems way too inflammatory and distracting to have in a discussion like this. To be helpful to the larger subject I am going to drop the 'YF' from the subject line on this thread. This thread deserves to be much more than that. Heck, both Patanjali and our own Guru Dev Brahmananda Saraswati themselves dissuaded people from pursuing sidhis. !OMG-the-Unified Field! Bio-consciousness, and the human body voltage of the heart in the soularplex of human spirituality. The opening Conspiracy theory aside and and also the announcer- documentary voice tone with tension of the music score of the video aside, what a fabulous Sunday morning video to watch. The straight ahead fusion of science-based-evidence, theory and spirituality experience will certainly drive the FFL meditation and spirituality haters here nuts. But the subject title of this thread is not encompassing enough. This is way more than YF as the video presents It. TM and patanjali in the TM-sidhis are certainly good introductions but as this video argues in presentation, they are only the start. I should like to hear, Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam elaborate and elucidate more on this the next time he is visiting us in Fairfield. -Buck Cardemaister Offers: Mind Science Kept Hidden Documentary.WE ARE VIBRATIONAL BEINGS.Law of attraction/vibes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoYlist=FLJq4dWKwstYaCOzEgEWZU-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoYlist=FLJq4dWKwstYaCOzEgEWZU-A Mind Science Kept Hidden Documentary.WE ARE VI... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoYlist=FLJq4dWKwstYaCOzEgEWZU-A TAKE YOU POWER BACK AND BE IN CONTROL OF AND CREATE YOUR LIFE! LINKS UPDATES! (^_^)/ as of April 2014 effective and simple! ALL THE INFO B... View on youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoYlist=FLJq4dWKwstYaCOzEgEWZU-A Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Fw: The Attention Economy
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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: 6/34-Maharishi: The power of love of the Almighty for His creation takes everyone towards more and more
Forwarded from: David Hooper davehooper...@gmail.com 6/3/14-Maharishi: (1/2)The power of love of the Almighty for His creation takes everyone towards more and more Everyone is proceeding on, and on, and on, and on. And this march is so blind to everything else that it's only channeled in one direction: towards more, and more, and more, and more and more than the most, infinite. Every individual is innocently always proceeding for more and more and more. This is that great power of love that is drawing the individual to the infinite value of life. This is the love of the Creator for the creation that every creation is drawing towards It more and more and more and more. One single-pointedness of march towards more and more and more and more. One single-pointedness -- this is love. There is a proverb: 'Love is blind.' This is that blindness of every individual to everything else and to every direction other than only one direction of evolution more and more and more and more. Man is blind in his love of God. He's so blind that even he doesn't even know God, but he is proceeding in that direction all the time, all the time, all the time. Total blindness also is no barrier to the force of love. It takes the ignorant on and on towards more and more, every step of more and more and more evolution and onto the infinite value of evolution. This is the power of love of the Almighty for His creation. Man may be completely ignorant for everything, but in spite of all his total ignorance, he will be proceeding for more and more and more and more. This is the power of love, and this is the power of love of the Almighty. Even if one does not want, one will have to grow in the direction of more and more and more, wanting or no wanting. No choice is given there. It's the love of God that takes everyone towards Him all the time, all the time, all the time. Doesn't matter what one wants -- fine, anything you want but you are proceeding in that direction. You don't have to know it, but you go on and on and on. A time will come that you will know it you have been doing well. This is the love of God Almighty. And when the Almighty starts to love, He loves irrespective of everything. It doesn't matter what because He's blind in His love. Just like the blindness of a mother to her dozen children. She is blind to what the child is -- whether he has one eye or two eyes or what or what or what, whether he speaks or he is dumb or deaf or what or what. She just pours out her love more and more and more irrespective of the quality, the love is binding on him. It doesn't matter what. This force of evolution is the love of the Creator for every little bit of His creation. This is that great, enormous, ideal love which only binds. Love binds. Love binds to liberate until it has liberated to infinite value..to be continued 6/4 6/4/14-Maharishi: (2/2)The power of love of the Almighty for His creation takes everyone towards more and more From yesterday: .This force of evolution is the love of the Creator for every little bit of His creation. This is that great, enormous, ideal love which only binds. Love binds. Love binds to liberate until it has liberated to infinite value... [Continuing] The channel of evolution is a closed channel -- there are boundaries. But in this channel you can move with any great force -- highways but they are not very broad. They are good enough to speed up, good enough for forward march, but they don't have span on the sides or else the very purpose of the highway will not be served; a highway so that you get along on the path quickly, but don't get sidetracked. Love is a highway to evolution, and just as a highway, it is marked from both sides. It's a closed circuit -- you can play but play in this region, don't go that way. Love has its own boundaries. The channel of love opens itself to the unbounded, but within boundaries. One goes within boundaries, and within boundaries one proceeds to the boundless. So the love is blind, but it is intelligent. It's not unintelligent blindness. It's very, very intelligent because it's the love of the cosmic intelligence, the love of the unbounded intelligence. So whereas love is blind, it is also intelligent -- blind for its march ahead; intelligent enough not to get swayed here and there, but proceed on, and on, and on. It's intelligent, very intelligent, wide awake. It's blindness, but not the blindness that results from dullness, but blindness that results from the fast march towards the goal. Love is a very, very gentle, yet very, very strong, most powerful force of life. It is life. Love is life. ~Maharishi~ ~Audiotape -- Date and location unknown~ TM Media Alert (USA): Lena Dunham on changing the world, staying grounded through meditation -- Sirius XM/Satellite Radio -- Alexandra Gekas/May 30, 2014
[FairfieldLife] Re: Monsanto is about to sue the state of Vermont.
Thank you very very much my dear brother in arms and spririt about this. Just signed the petition to help Vermont with the hope everybody will follow. Consumers should have the right to know what they're eating and what they're feeding their kids as we do in Europe. merudanda`s next email will be to the European parliament.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Monsanto is about to sue the state of Vermont.
spririt...LOL seems me being in the mist wandering wondrous through mists among parted bush and stone where none to the other exists, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thank you very very much my dear brother in arms and spririt about this. Just signed the petition to help Vermont with the hope everybody will follow. Consumers should have the right to know what they're eating and what they're feeding their kids as we do in Europe. merudanda`s next email will be to the European parliament.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
Because the TMO is still run by the TM Nazis From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday The meeting, showed that things are un-changed. Bevan is busy all around the world still trying to preserve the way things are done. He gave a powerpoint travelogue to that effect. At the start of the meeting Craig Pearson recounted the lead up to Jim Carrey doing the commencement speech. Craig related how thoroughly Jim Carrey thought about and prepared for the commencement. That part was real interesting on how Jim Carrey went about it and worked with people. Craig recounted a fun narrative about all that. Otherwise Craig mostly sat by in the meeting attending to Bevan. Seeing as this was billed as a special community meeting with Craig Pearson and Bevan both and was following the recent annual gathering of the Board of Trustees at the time of the university commencement one faith in going to the meeting was that this was going to be the time that Bevan was going to announce his going Emeritusfrom the MUM Presidency and let Craig have that title and do that job for a while as a strategic part in the progress and succession of things here with the University and meditating community. That was not to be the case. Bevan holds tight to the Presidency. Generally it was a nice meeting that anyone could have attended and been interested by. Nothing was said that anybody should not have heard. It did not necessarily need to be a 'badge only' event. Any person coming in would have been re-affirmed and interested in the scope of the meeting. However, it was not an open meeting and was kept special that way evidently by a choice. -Buck LEnglish5 writes: I ask again: what was this all about? Did anyone bother to attend? Has anyone spoken to anyone who attended? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Sooo...? What was the meeting about? What was the exciting developments from teh visit by Commencement speaker Jim Carrey? l Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday Om, BTW, Not everyone is invited. [update: The following information regarding required badge was inadvertently omitted from the previous announcement: Please bring your current program badge or MUM ID. For other practitioners of the Transcendental Meditation program, please contact the Invincible America Department (472-1212 or email: iadept@...).] Sunday, June 1st 1:30 pm – 3:30 pm Dalby Hall With Bevan and Craig Pearson. Special Afternoon with Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig Pearson Sunday, June 1st 1:30 pm – 3:30 pm Dalby Hall Reflections on Recent Graduation Events, News, and Stories from Africa and Around the World You are warmly invited to presentations by Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig Pearson as they share stories from this year’s fantastic graduation events—and exciting developments from the visit by Commencement speaker Jim Carrey. Dr. Morris will report on developments from his recent tour of eight nations in Africa, and also on the latest news from around the globe. Slides and video clips highlight his meetings with government and education leaders—including former Presidents—and with our Movement family. Jai Guru Dev
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Well, I sure don't know whether Maharishi could ever have declared someone to be fully enlightened or permanently enlightened. I do know Robin never used either of those terms here to describe his state (I did a search), nor did he say Maharishi had. So that's just a red herring from your own imagination, one of the stories you made up. And I think it's utterly absurd for either of us (or anyone on FFL, for that matter) to attempt to evaluate his state of consciousness back then, let alone argue about it, so I'm not going to do that. All we have are the words in his posts describing what it was like to be Robin during that period (30-plus years ago), and they can't possibly enable us to know experientially what that was like for him. Robin was convinced he was in Unity consciousness, and he believed Maharishi had confirmed it. According to him, Maharishi never told him he wasn't or tried to discourage him from anything he was doing when he went back to Canada and attracted a group of followers on the basis of his purported Unity consciousness. He didn't meet with any resistance from Maharishi until the court case at MIU, when Robin fully expected Maharishi to support him, and Maharishi didn't. You and I weren't there. We didn't know Robin, were never around him. We don't know exactly what Maharishi told him or what Maharishi thought. The only person here with personal knowledge of Robin while he was at MIU with his group was Ann. It's fine to harbor doubts, but we have to realize we simply aren't in a position to make any kind of judgment. There's too much we don't know, too much we can't know. Obviously something went badly wrong for him toward the end of the 10 years, but all we know is how it manifested itself in his behavior, and what he eventually concluded about it during the 25 years when he attempted, apparently successfully, to shed the state of consciousness he had been in and go back to plain old waking state. It's just all extremely weird. All I can say is that I'm sure Robin told his story from his perspective as accurately as he could. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I was dubious of his full enlightenment, and as far as I can tell, what Maharishi said to him isn't you're fully enlightened, but your experiences of Unity are valid -please share them. If you look at how he described CC, GC, UC, etc., he couldn't possibly ever declare someone fully enlightened or even permanently enlightened. And Robin heard him as saying just that, as far as I can tell. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : That was about all you ever said to him, that you were dubious of his enlightenment, to the best of my recollection. Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused to give permission, and Robin gave up. Part of the problem with your attitude toward Robin is that you didn't read many of his posts, or didn't read them with attention, so you kept getting the story confused and making up your own. That you would ask him two years ago whether he still meditated is symptomatic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I'd have to take a long step back to be sure which swipes you think I've taken, otehr than chalenging Robin's take on his own enlightenment. Of course, I have always held that neither Maharishi nor Gurudev was perfectly enlightened, either, but neither of them decided that they could take other people's students, without any formal nod from the previous teacher, and co-opt what they were being taught. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Of course you take it as a swipe at Robin. As far as I can recall, you've done nothing but swipe at him ever since he got here. He went to the trouble of writing you two long, detailed posts explaining how he viewed the TM-Sidhis, basically saying you were technically correct, but that there were other considerations you weren't taking into account. The posts were kind amd generous; he didn't dump on you. If you wanted to refresh your memory, here are the two posts (the first is quoted in its entirety): https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/311759 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/311759 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Fair enough. We'd have to ask him to be sure, of course. The fact that he never bothered to learn the TM-Sidhis was quite interesting, especially in-line of Maharishi's comment that they would educate certain people about their own state of enlightenment once
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I don't know the story behind Robin's adding to the sutras, so I can't comment on what he intended. At the time, he obviously thought Maharishi would approve, or he wouldn't have demanded that he validate it for the court case. According to Robin, Maharishi's denial, without explanation, in his recorded deposition came as a complete, shocking surprise. No, I don't think co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher is a better way of putting it. As far as I'm aware, the sutra additions were the only thing that could be described that way, and as I say, he assumed Maharishi would approve, and gave up without argument when he didn't. I have no idea what was going on in his mind at that point; obviously it was way off track. But then remember his experience was that he was acting not of his own free will but at the behest of cosmic forces (which he decided much later were not benign). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is the kind of thing that I would call co-opting Maharishi's teaching. Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was appropriate for him to do so. Perhaps co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher is a better way of putting it. L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I wrote: Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused to give permission, and Robin gave up. Add: ...refused to give permission or endorse his enlightenment
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
Thanks for that narrative post and update info. Buck. Apology: Jim Carrey received honorary Doctorate of Fine Arts not philosophy--seems being still in MIU mental mode... Since I just signed a petition in support of Vermont and it could be that not many people caught his jab at Monsanto let us repeat Dr.J.C. joke: “I’m here to plant a seed today. A seed that will inspire you to go forward in your life with enthusiastic hearts and a clear sense of wholeness. The question is, will that seed have a chance to take root or will I be sued by Monsanto?” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/28/jim-carrey-gives-emotional-funny-commencement-speech/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/28/jim-carrey-gives-emotional-funny-commencement-speech/ Is he he poking fun at the aggressive, overreaching nature of the biotech company that sues farmers for patent infringements - i.e., their patented product blew in the wind and landed in a non-contract field, actually contaminating that field or was it about label? Has not Monsanto already filed 144 lawsuits against 410 farmers and 56 small farm businesses in at least 27 U.S. States, as of early last year according to HuffingtonPost? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/genetically-modified-seed-patent-report_n_2678837.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/genetically-modified-seed-patent-report_n_2678837.html Is it really that shocking of the outspoken Dr.h.c. Carrey to have made such a remark to the graduates?The March Against Monsanto was taking place when he spoke, May 24th, and #EndMonsanto was a top-trending social media event. MUM is known for their ayurvedic philosophies and organic health outlook. They are one the first college to offer organic vegetarian meals to their students. Of course you may argue that Dr Jim should have given his speech at Cal Poly. where GMO's began... Biotech corporations trying to rule Europe , too. For more than 15 years national governments in Europe have fought against new GM crops and strongly defended their rights to ban them. In freedom loving USA you are not allowed even to label them. But we are in the same boat The United States parallels the EU in a similar regard. Just on the heels of Vermont passing the first state GMO food labeling law, the DARK Act of 2014 (actual name is Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act’) threatens to nullify any past and future state laws regarding GMO labeling and bans. Basically, the result of The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) could -should be that biotech firms gets significant legal power in the future decisions of the nations regarding GMOs and place biotech corporations above European government!! and certainly above the individual member states and their people. http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/ http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/ Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) resources - Trade - European Commission http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/resources/#videos http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/resources/#videos Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTI... http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/resources/#videos EU and US TTIP chief negotiators Ignacio Garcia Bercero and Dan Mullaney during the 5th round of negotiations in Arlington, USA, 19/23 May 2014. View all photos View on ec.europa.eu http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/resources/#videos Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is the kind of thing that I would call co-opting Maharishi's teaching. Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was appropriate for him to do so. Perhaps co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher is a better way of putting it. I think to some degree you are correct in that he felt he could impart some of the techniques and add his own spin to them. He didn't get the siddhis until some of his TM teacher group followers taught them to him. At that point we all got his version of them even though must of us had the original siddhis taught to us via the normal channels. I believe his actions in this case were fueled by the sense that he could do no wrong created by his then current state (of enlightenment) coupled with a healthy dose of ego generated by the illusion created by his hallucinatory state. It is by his own admission that he felt his enlightenment to be a delusion, hallucinatory. L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I wrote: Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused to give permission, and Robin gave up. Add: ...refused to give permission or endorse his enlightenment
[FairfieldLife] A Slow News Day in SC
A Slow News Day in South Carolina http://www.thestate.com/2014/06/03/3484871/whopper-gator-found-hilton-head.html HILTON HEAD ISLAND, SC: Whopper gator found Hilt... Joe Maffo got a call from Beaufort County emergency dispatch at about 1:30 a.m. May 31. Someone saw a large alligator on Old Cemetery Road and called 911. View on www.thestate.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I agree. Even worse Barry equates his denial, with non-attachment, and thus convinces himself of his spiritual progress. However, he is making it increasingly clear, on here, by his overheated attempts at retribution, that he is fiercely attached to getting even, which is the polar opposite of letting go. He is kind of fascinating to watch, as an object lesson in ego-blindness. A very fragile, and unstable personality, that one. The fact that most here have bawee figured out will not make a difference to him. He has only one strategy and as pitiful and pathetic as it is we must accept him for the fact he can't seem to do more than this. It's like a guy who possesses one golf club in his golf bag and it is a 9 iron. Leaving the tee on a 450 yard hole is just not gonna get him to the green in less than 9 strokes. The least we could do is walk slowly to let him catch up as he duffs his way down the fairway. God only knows how he's gonna be able to putt with that thing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I don't think Barry is even aware of it when his buttons have been pushed. It's a kind of denial. Just in general, Barry is seriously deficient in self-knowledge; he can't see his own patterns that are so obvious to the rest of us. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I just find it odd, that Barry seems to feel he has monopoly on this button pushing thing. I guess you can define having your buttons pushed, in number of different ways. A person says something you disagree with, and you respond. Did you just get your buttons pushed? Somebody says something in a way that denigrates you, (or someone else), which could have been said in much less confrontational way, and you object to it. Did you just get your buttons pushed? You are a thinking, feeling human being, and someone says something insensitive, or designed to insult you, and you have a reaction, if only for a moment. Did you just get your buttons pushed? I guess for Barry, it is a mark of distinction to claim, I never get my buttons pushed Or how 'bout. I ain't got no stinkin buttons to be pushed Ookaay.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if not, er, perfectly clear). Excerpt: What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the drama of *individuation*. I certainly had perfect confidence that Maharishi, eventually, would confer upon me an official status which would enable all those who were devoted to him to be initiated into the reality of what seemed empirically undeniable; namely, that one's life, the providence of one's personal history, was the universe's attempt to create a perfect kind of individuality through the drama that, metaphysically, was contained in the context of one's life--especially in relationship with other human beings. As vivid and real as this seemed to me while I was in Unity Consciousness--and everyone who participated in this adventure with me became convinced of this truth of the intrinsic meaningfulness of one's life in a very personal sense--and acted out and applied this truth in their own life quite independent of myself--as vivid and real as this was, it now, after coming down from enlightenment, seems unreal to me. But that is what I was seeking from Maharishi: the official imprimatur which would enable all his initiators/governors to recognize the complementary reality to transcendence: perfect individuation through becoming sensitive to the inherent drama of one's personal life. That life was arranged to make manifest this drama I only wanted the TM initiators to know the secret that seemed to have been uncovered through my enlightenment. The secret of Western Civilization as seen through the Veda in the form of an enlightenment which appeared to confer equal significance to the Self and the self. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 I still don't think co-opt is quite the right term, but clearly he felt Maharishi's teaching needed this additional component (at least in the West) that only he, Robin, could supply. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is the kind of thing that I would call co-opting Maharishi's teaching. Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was appropriate for him to do so. Perhaps co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher is a better way of putting it. I think to some degree you are correct in that he felt he could impart some of the techniques and add his own spin to them. He didn't get the siddhis until some of his TM teacher group followers taught them to him. At that point we all got his version of them even though must of us had the original siddhis taught to us via the normal channels. I believe his actions in this case were fueled by the sense that he could do no wrong created by his then current state (of enlightenment) coupled with a healthy dose of ego generated by the illusion created by his hallucinatory state. It is by his own admission that he felt his enlightenment to be a delusion, hallucinatory. L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I wrote: Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused to give permission, and Robin gave up. Add: ...refused to give permission or endorse his enlightenment
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
merudanda, my intuition tells me that *the powers that be* don't realize that they are awakening the full wrath of freedom lovers everywhere with this GMO situation. I recently unsubscribed to the Democratic Party newsletter and told them I did so because Obama had just signed the Monsanto Protection bill. Healthy food is such a basic right. BTW, great cartoon... Since that bill signing, there are news items about Obama helping with global warming, as if that negates what he did viz a viz our food supply! Do they really think we're that stupid?! On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:46 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks for that narrative post and update info. Buck. Apology: Jim Carrey received honorary Doctorate of Fine Arts not philosophy--seems being still in MIU mental mode... Since I just signed a petition in support of Vermont and it could be that not many people caught his jab at Monsanto let us repeat Dr.J.C. joke: “I’m here to plant a seed today. A seed that will inspire you to go forward in your life with enthusiastic hearts and a clear sense of wholeness. The question is, will that seed have a chance to take root or will I be sued by Monsanto?” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/28/jim-carrey-gives-emotional-funny-commencement-speech/ Is he he poking fun at the aggressive, overreaching nature of the biotech company that sues farmers for patent infringements - i.e., their patented product blew in the wind and landed in a non-contract field, actually contaminating that field or was it about label? Has not Monsanto already filed 144 lawsuits against 410 farmers and 56 small farm businesses in at least 27 U.S. States, as of early last year according to HuffingtonPost? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/genetically-modified-seed-patent-report_n_2678837.html Is it really that shocking of the outspoken Dr.h.c. Carrey to have made such a remark to the graduates?The March Against Monsanto was taking place when he spoke, May 24th, and #EndMonsanto was a top-trending social media event. MUM is known for their ayurvedic philosophies and organic health outlook. They are one the first college to offer organic vegetarian meals to their students. Of course you may argue that Dr Jim should have given his speech at Cal Poly. where GMO's began... Biotech corporations trying to rule Europe , too. For more than 15 years national governments in Europe have fought against new GM crops and strongly defended their rights to ban them. In freedom loving USA you are not allowed even to label them. But we are in the same boat The United States parallels the EU in a similar regard. Just on the heels of Vermont passing the first state GMO food labeling law, the DARK Act of 2014 (actual name is Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act’) threatens to nullify any past and future state laws regarding GMO labeling and bans. Basically, the result of The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) could -should be that biotech firms gets significant legal power in the future decisions of the nations regarding GMOs and place biotech corporations above European government!! and certainly above the individual member states and their people. http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/ Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) resources - Trade - European Commission Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTI... EU and US TTIP chief negotiators Ignacio Garcia Bercero and Dan Mullaney during the 5th round of negotiations in Arlington, USA, 19/23 May 2014. View all photos View on ec.europa.eu Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
This is one of the reasons I think all these states of consciousness outlined by Marshy the Huckster are just a bunch of blabber. By his definition, Unity is PERMANENT! One does not have it and then leave it. If it is our true nature, how could one fall out of it after realizing one's true self? I still think that all of our states of awareness are part of the whole experience of being human and you can experience any or all of it anytime. One goes in and out of a plethora of states of consciousness. Its all there. Some people like maybe Nisagardatta and folks like that seem to remain in that state of Unity for years sometimes from the time they say they woke up till they croak. But even that is suspect in my opinion since we mainly have their word for it, and the word of people who are wowed by them and need to believe their chosen guru has it all together. Personally I think all this states of consciousness stuff is just a hope and a way of feeling special. From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if not, er, perfectly clear). Excerpt: What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the drama of *individuation*. I certainly had perfect confidence that Maharishi, eventually, would confer upon me an official status which would enable all those who were devoted to him to be initiated into the reality of what seemed empirically undeniable; namely, that one's life, the providence of one's personal history, was the universe's attempt to create a perfect kind of individuality through the drama that, metaphysically, was contained in the context of one's life--especially in relationship with other human beings. As vivid and real as this seemed to me while I was in Unity Consciousness--and everyone who participated in this adventure with me became convinced of this truth of the intrinsic meaningfulness of one's life in a very personal sense--and acted out and applied this truth in their own life quite independent of myself--as vivid and real as this was, it now, after coming down from enlightenment, seems unreal to me. But that is what I was seeking from Maharishi: the official imprimatur which would enable all his initiators/governors to recognize the complementary reality to transcendence: perfect individuation through becoming sensitive to the inherent drama of one's personal life. That life was arranged to make manifest this drama I only wanted the TM initiators to know the secret that seemed to have been uncovered through my enlightenment. The secret of Western Civilization as seen through the Veda in the form of an enlightenment which appeared to confer equal significance to the Self and the self. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 I still don't think co-opt is quite the right term, but clearly he felt Maharishi's teaching needed this additional component (at least in the West) that only he, Robin, could supply. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is the kind of thing that I would call co-opting Maharishi's teaching. Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was appropriate for him to do so. Perhaps co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher is a better way of putting it. I think to some degree you are correct in that he felt he could impart some of the techniques and add his own spin to them. He didn't get the siddhis until some of his TM teacher group followers taught them to him. At that point we all gothis version of them even though must of us had the original siddhis taught to us via the normal channels. I believe his actions in this case were fueled by the sense that he could do no wrong created by his then current state (of enlightenment) coupled with a healthy dose of ego generated by the illusion created by his hallucinatory state. It is by his own admission that he felt his enlightenment to be a delusion, hallucinatory. L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I wrote: Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the changes he wanted to make to the
[FairfieldLife] Panel Discussion on Refined (“Celestial”) Perception: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/04/2014
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if not, er, perfectly clear). Excerpt: What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the drama of *individuation*. I certainly had perfect confidence that Maharishi, eventually, would confer upon me an official status which would enable all those who were devoted to him to be initiated into the reality of what seemed empirically undeniable; namely, that one's life, the providence of one's personal history, was the universe's attempt to create a perfect kind of individuality through the drama that, metaphysically, was contained in the context of one's life--especially in relationship with other human beings. As vivid and real as this seemed to me while I was in Unity Consciousness--and everyone who participated in this adventure with me became convinced of this truth of the intrinsic meaningfulness of one's life in a very personal sense--and acted out and applied this truth in their own life quite independent of myself--as vivid and real as this was, it now, after coming down from enlightenment, seems unreal to me. But that is what I was seeking from Maharishi: the official imprimatur which would enable all his initiators/governors to recognize the complementary reality to transcendence: perfect individuation through becoming sensitive to the inherent drama of one's personal life. That life was arranged to make manifest this drama I only wanted the TM initiators to know the secret that seemed to have been uncovered through my enlightenment. The secret of Western Civilization as seen through the Veda in the form of an enlightenment which appeared to confer equal significance to the Self and the self. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 I still don't think co-opt is quite the right term, but clearly he felt Maharishi's teaching needed this additional component (at least in the West) that only he, Robin, could supply. Right, I had forgotten some of the details of this whole drama I was involved in for 3.5 years. It was about the personal-ness, the individuation, the West. Robin felt he embodied much of what was best about the personal, the dynamic, the energy of our culture and civilization of the modern western world. He was all about the activity, the realness, taking advantage of the art, the music, the literature as a fully realized human being. But it was deeper than that too. It was combining, perfectly, the East and the West and it had to be deeply felt and deeply personal. I may be mis-remembering and I am sure Robin could correct me as it has been a very long time since I have thought about all of this, but I think I am accurate in most of what I am recalling. And I think this is what was so attractive to many of us; it wasn't just about sitting with eyes closed, it was about evolving, being part of this huge drama of life and of using depth and intimacy as a means to hasten our way toward enlightenment - combining TM with confrontation (demon tracking and annihilation), personal relationships and involving ourself deeply with all the West had to offer. Consequently it was a lot of fun most of the time. It was like Robin was the Western representative of enlightenment and MMY was the Eastern rep. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is the kind of thing that I would call co-opting Maharishi's teaching. Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was appropriate for him to do so. Perhaps co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher is a better way of putting it. I think to some degree you are correct in that he felt he could impart some of the techniques and add his own spin to them. He didn't get the siddhis until some of his TM teacher group followers taught them to him. At that point we all got his version of them even though must of us had the original siddhis taught to us via the normal channels. I believe his actions in this case were fueled by the sense that he could do no wrong created by his then current state (of enlightenment) coupled with a healthy dose of ego generated by the illusion created by his hallucinatory state. It is by his own admission that he felt his enlightenment to be a delusion, hallucinatory. L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : This is one of the reasons I think all these states of consciousness outlined by Marshy the Huckster are just a bunch of blabber. By his definition, Unity is PERMANENT! One does not have it and then leave it. If it is our true nature, how could one fall out of it after realizing one's true self? I still think that all of our states of awareness are part of the whole experience of being human and you can experience any or all of it anytime. One goes in and out of a plethora of states of consciousness. Its all there. Some people like maybe Nisagardatta and folks like that seem to remain in that state of Unity for years sometimes from the time they say they woke up till they croak. But even that is suspect in my opinion since we mainly have their word for it, and the word of people who are wowed by them and need to believe their chosen guru has it all together. Personally I think all this states of consciousness stuff is just a hope and a way of feeling special. I think it is likely that when we die we become 'enlightened'. Being physically dead either means you're totally gone or it means you've got an inside view to how it all works. I'm betting on the inside view - in the meantime I'll just enjoy this day, fill my five senses with as much sensation as I can and try and find a way to generate as much positivity and genuine feeling as I am able. I think one of the most useful things I got from hanging around the TM Movement is remembering the old chestnut, Never do what you know to be wrong.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers' How many TM practitioners on Fairfield City Council besides the mayor? And what is their position on the Heartland Coop? And what position has MUM taken on the issue? John Revolinski and Connie Boyer. John probably opposes it. Don’t know about Connie. Not aware of MUM having taken a position. _ From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com mailto:r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers' From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:54 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers' A tape of that session from Rick's TTC was probably the one I saw on the second phase of my TTC and was called Other Techniques. My tantra teacher and I would often go to visit other teachers in the area. My TTC was Estes Park. Just audio taped, not videotaped. But I believe such a session was held on every TTC, and probably still is. On 06/03/2014 08:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com mailto:turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com mailto:r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I never witnessed anything as intense as what Barry relates, but on our TTC, part of the training was an evening in which we brought up every other teacher/path/practice we could think of and Maharishi explained how and why TM was superior. A rather odd thing to do in itself, if you think about it, but it's part of a larger pattern -- give TM teachers pat answers to parrot whenever a question arises. The more often they hear them and repeat them, the more they come to actually believe them. I remember in one small meeting on my TTC when he gave such a pat answer about a technique that someone in the audience of prospective TM teachers had actually practiced before starting TM. The fellow stood up and said -- politely -- that Maharishi was wrong in what he said, and that the practice in question had *nothing* to do with the way that Maharishi had described it. The person saying this was sent home the next day, and was never allowed to became a teacher. At a later meeting on the same course, Maharishi repeated the same incorrect putdown of that technique, now fully aware that it wasn't true. Also, when Muktananda came to Seelisberg, after he left, MMY reportedly addressed his students in a way that suggested he was a bit nervous they might have found Muktananda more alluring than he, and be tempted to change camps. I know someone from the Rama trip who was a Muktananda student, and who was actually present at one of those meetings with Maharishi. Suffice it to say that none of Muktananda's students needed such a talking to, because were completely underwhelmed by Maharishi. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 2:09 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers' I just skimmed this, and want to read it more carefully later. Your primary involvement predated mine. I had the opportunity to see MMY personally many times, but usually not in a small group, and usually not for administrative issues. But never during my time did this issue of seeing other teachers come up. I think it would be be helpful if we heard from another teacher who had the opportunity for personal interaction such as Rick. The charges you make are pretty strong, and I think they bear a vetting by someone who may have a less prejudiced attitude. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : To provide some counterpoint to the chorus of excuses and cult apologetics spouted lately by people like Jim, Judy, and Lawson, who were *never there* to see how Maharishi dealt with those who committed the Cardinal Sin of seeing other teachers, I'll provide a bit more information. After all, unlike these poseurs, I really *was* there, for many years, and sat in rooms with Maharishi as he lit into *dozens* of people for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
What the Secret Service doesn't know is that FFL members learned a sutra long ago that will make them go blind if they spy on the messages on FFL. On 06/04/2014 03:29 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com The meeting, showed that things are un-changed. Bevan is busy all around the world still trying to preserve the way things are done. Because, after all, that has worked so well to preserve the sense of TM community and good will, keep the domes full to the max, create crimelessness (no riots, no murders) in Fairfield, and world peace (no wars, no soon-to-be-wars) around the globe. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. [ Note: This post may require the new software described below to read properly. ] Secret Service Software Will 'Detect Sarcasm' in Social Media Users http://www.nextgov.com/defense/2014/06/secret-service-software-will-detect-sarcasm-social-media-users/85633/ image http://www.nextgov.com/defense/2014/06/secret-service-software-will-detect-sarcasm-social-media-users/85633/ Secret Service Software Will 'Detect Sarcasm' in Social ... http://www.nextgov.com/defense/2014/06/secret-service-software-will-detect-sarcasm-social-media-users/85633/ \'Sentiment analysis\' and \'access to historical Twitter data\' among the requirements. View on www.nextgov.com http://www.nextgov.com/defense/2014/06/secret-service-software-will-detect-sarcasm-social-media-users/85633/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Primary Day
California did pass an referendum to help homeless vets and get them off the streets. Really that should be funded by taxing the defense industry and it really should just be a federal government program for folks who have served in the military. Right now our war mongers just use people to fight their wars of empire and them dump them on the street afterward in a slam bam thank you ma'am fashion. On 06/03/2014 08:47 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 6/3/2014 8:21 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is Primary Day in California as well as other states. Is it in yours? Did you vote? Yes, we both voted. We will be looking for a new mayor because the San Antonio mayor is going to Washington to be the HUD Secretary for Obama. The mayor's twin brother is a Senator from Texas. There are rumors that Julian Castro might be Hillary Clinton's running mate if she decids to run for president. Go figure 'Obama Taps San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro For HUD Secretary' http://www.npr.org/2014/05/23/315275153/obama-taps-san-antonio-mayor-julian-castro-for-hud-secretary
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Whether or not Robin co-opted Maharishi's teaching is to me not an important point, since every teacher that goes out on their own rather than being part of some organization has co-opted the teachings of those before them and probably added to, and subtracted from them as well. I do not see here in what Robin says that he knew what enlightenment was, but there is a problem in my saying this because the essential value that various traditions ascribe to this idea of enlightenment would seem to be undefined, indescribable because it is beyond the ability of thought to encompass except by the poor use of analogy and metaphor which means one has to 'read between the lines' to grasp what is being talked about, and if you do not know what is being talked about you cannot grasp the significance of the metaphor. This would lead to the conclusion that you cannot actually ever say what enlightenment is. My thought here is Robin wanted to be co-equal with infinity while retaining individuality rather than just be infinity. This is not to say that in 'enlightenment' there is no experience of ego, but that the interpretation of experience is not via the ego in enlightenment, it is just another object in the field of experience. In 'ignorance' the interpretation of experience is via the ego, through the small self. In enlightenment, experience is interpreted as a function of the totality of consciousness, which is not a persons individuality. But as enlightenment is essentially undefined, that probably cannot mean much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if not, er, perfectly clear). Excerpt: What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the drama of *individuation*. I certainly had perfect confidence that Maharishi, eventually, would confer upon me an official status which would enable all those who were devoted to him to be initiated into the reality of what seemed empirically undeniable; namely, that one's life, the providence of one's personal history, was the universe's attempt to create a perfect kind of individuality through the drama that, metaphysically, was contained in the context of one's life--especially in relationship with other human beings. As vivid and real as this seemed to me while I was in Unity Consciousness--and everyone who participated in this adventure with me became convinced of this truth of the intrinsic meaningfulness of one's life in a very personal sense--and acted out and applied this truth in their own life quite independent of myself--as vivid and real as this was, it now, after coming down from enlightenment, seems unreal to me. But that is what I was seeking from Maharishi: the official imprimatur which would enable all his initiators/governors to recognize the complementary reality to transcendence: perfect individuation through becoming sensitive to the inherent drama of one's personal life. That life was arranged to make manifest this drama I only wanted the TM initiators to know the secret that seemed to have been uncovered through my enlightenment. The secret of Western Civilization as seen through the Veda in the form of an enlightenment which appeared to confer equal significance to the Self and the self. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 I still don't think co-opt is quite the right term, but clearly he felt Maharishi's teaching needed this additional component (at least in the West) that only he, Robin, could supply. Right, I had forgotten some of the details of this whole drama I was involved in for 3.5 years. It was about the personal-ness, the individuation, the West. Robin felt he embodied much of what was best about the personal, the dynamic, the energy of our culture and civilization of the modern western world. He was all about the activity, the realness, taking advantage of the art, the music, the literature as a fully realized human being. But it was deeper than that too. It was combining, perfectly, the East and the West and it had to be deeply felt and deeply personal. I may be mis-remembering and I am sure Robin could correct me as it has been a very long time since I have thought about all of this, but I think I am accurate in most of what I am recalling. And I think this is what was so attractive to many of us; it wasn't just about sitting with eyes closed, it was about evolving, being part of this huge drama of life and of using depth and intimacy as a means to hasten our way toward enlightenment - combining TM with confrontation (demon tracking and annihilation),
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
No announcements about what Carrey's Commencement speech had done? I told John Hagelin that it was a huge publicity boost for MUM with 1000+ news articles and 1 million+ webhits for MUM, many with links to either the video or the mum.edu website, or both, and that they should ask Carrey to go on the morning show circuit with Bob Roth talking about TM. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : The meeting, showed that things are un-changed. Bevan is busy all around the world still trying to preserve the way things are done. He gave a powerpoint travelogue to that effect. At the start of the meeting Craig Pearson recounted the lead up to Jim Carrey doing the commencement speech. Craig related how thoroughly Jim Carrey thought about and prepared for the commencement. That part was real interesting on how Jim Carrey went about it and worked with people. Craig recounted a fun narrative about all that. Otherwise Craig mostly sat by in the meeting attending to Bevan. Seeing as this was billed as a special community meeting with Craig Pearson and Bevan both and was following the recent annual gathering of the Board of Trustees at the time of the university commencement one faith in going to the meeting was that this was going to be the time that Bevan was going to announce his going Emeritus from the MUM Presidency and let Craig have that title and do that job for a while as a strategic part in the progress and succession of things here with the University and meditating community. That was not to be the case. Bevan holds tight to the Presidency. Generally it was a nice meeting that anyone could have attended and been interested by. Nothing was said that anybody should not have heard. It did not necessarily need to be a 'badge only' event. Any person coming in would have been re-affirmed and interested in the scope of the meeting. However, it was not an open meeting and was kept special that way evidently by a choice. -Buck LEnglish5 writes: I ask again: what was this all about? Did anyone bother to attend? Has anyone spoken to anyone who attended? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Sooo...? What was the meeting about? What was the exciting developments from teh visit by Commencement speaker Jim Carrey? l Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday Om, BTW, Not everyone is invited. [update: The following information regarding required badge was inadvertently omitted from the previous announcement: Please bring your current program badge or MUM ID. For other practitioners of the Transcendental Meditation program, please contact the Invincible America Department (472-1212 or email: iadept@... mailto:iadept@...).] Sunday, June 1st 1:30 pm – 3:30 pm Dalby Hall With Bevan and Craig Pearson. Special Afternoon with Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig Pearson Sunday, June 1st 1:30 pm – 3:30 pm Dalby Hall Reflections on Recent Graduation Events, News, and Stories from Africa and Around the World You are warmly invited to presentations by Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig Pearson as they share stories from this year’s fantastic graduation events—and exciting developments from the visit by Commencement speaker Jim Carrey. Dr. Morris will report on developments from his recent tour of eight nations in Africa, and also on the latest news from around the globe. Slides and video clips highlight his meetings with government and education leaders—including former Presidents—and with our Movement family. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
actually, Maharishi enver said there was effot involved. Someone else kept insisting that there HAD to be effot involved, and the topic was thinking the mantra, not monitoring whether or not you WERE thinking the mantra. Sheesh. How many ways can people misunderstand simple instructions? Small wonder more people aren't getting enlightened. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Of course there is monitoring to do in TM as a mental technique unless you are one of those who simply lays down or lounge back and go to sleep as your meditation. I got these old tapes from India TTC where Maharishi very specifically goes through that TM does involve some [small] effort to attend to do. That is okay. TM meditation is actually something you sit the F up and do. In style it is effortless effort that takes a doing and monitoring in its way. And, more particularly in the advanced techniques TM becomes a type of vipassanaic meditation as you practice them. That is okay. By comparison with some strict buddhistic practice it would be nice if some of that meditation also incorporated transcendence like with TM advanced practice as these notes below also relate, -Buck LEnglish5 writes: There's no monitoring required to do TM. In fact, you can get lost for hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be doing TM correctly. L Vipassana and TM interwoven, Mindful Notes of a Fairfield meditating satsang: Vipassanaic TM: [Once upon a time at a meeting a few years ago in Fairfield, Iowa ] .. We’re going to talk about transcendence in relation to vaipassana. These two practices are interwoven for me. What has meshed? TM is a non-concentrative practice. Do you understand what that means? KG: You don’t focus on staying on the mantra, you can relax your mind. DG: The practice does require doing. When you notice you’re off the mantra, you come back to it. It’s not continuous repetition, but it does require monitoring. There is concentration to that degree. H: Effortless effort. JS: Vaipassana is in the same genre as TM, it’s a non-concentrative practice. However, it involves a little more doing than TM. We don’t normally practice meditation with the goal of gaining insight, whereas vaipassana does involve insight, insight into everything. It’s not limited to you. Anything can be an object of observation. H: Is it like ritam? JS: When you merge these two practices together, you will transcend, you won’t stop yourself from transcending. A lot of Buddhist practitioners feel they have to stay in the present, so they keep themselves from transcending. They don’t differentiate between transcending and spacing out. We understand the difference. We know what it feels like to space out in meditation. So in this process I want you to favor transcending. It involves not favoring silence, not favoring thoughts. If you get in the transcendent and come up, you don’t say, I want to go back right away. You notice where you are on the elevator. You ask, where am I? Normally we don’t do this. C: Unless you have advanced techniques. JS: True, but these skills have gotten rusty. When we come back, we don’t often know where we are. Vaipassana is the subtle level of observation. The first thing you observe is the mechanics of consciousness. Buddhists don’t talk about this, but this is my experience. When you notice that you’re distracted from meditating, running your shopping list, you don’t want to be there, but you observe where you are on the elevator. What you learn about is tracing these subtle levels of observation through the levels of the transcendent, the roads that are built in the transcendent. The floating technique is based on this knowledge. When you’re working with intuition you need to be awake to the subtle levels of the transcendent. I was reluctant to go here because I’ve merged the two practices. I want you to practice vaipassana, 5-10 minutes, ideally with someone else from this group, even on the phone. I want you to talk about your experiences in order to ground it. I don’t want you to use your mantra. If it comes up, don’t force it out of the way, but treat it like another thought. But I don’t want you to come back to the mantra like in TM, because that has a different effect. You are going to come back to pure awareness. Everyone is capable of this after so many years of TM. I want you to use pure awareness as its own still point. Go in, start meditating, let go of the mantra if it comes up, go back to that pure awareness. It will have a quality of silence, but I want you to not hold to the silence. The silence will pull you down into it. With TM, we want to go into it. But now I want you to not be attached to the silence. An effect will happen. DG: You’ll be awake to yourself. JS: Exactly. When you’re not holding to the mantra
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
Eh, Bevan feels that he has certain standards to uphold, but in this case, it sounds more like they just wanted to establish that the Sidha community was special and would be able to get special news that no-one else could get. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Because the TMO is still run by the TM Nazis From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday The meeting, showed that things are un-changed. Bevan is busy all around the world still trying to preserve the way things are done. He gave a powerpoint travelogue to that effect. At the start of the meeting Craig Pearson recounted the lead up to Jim Carrey doing the commencement speech. Craig related how thoroughly Jim Carrey thought about and prepared for the commencement. That part was real interesting on how Jim Carrey went about it and worked with people. Craig recounted a fun narrative about all that. Otherwise Craig mostly sat by in the meeting attending to Bevan. Seeing as this was billed as a special community meeting with Craig Pearson and Bevan both and was following the recent annual gathering of the Board of Trustees at the time of the university commencement one faith in going to the meeting was that this was going to be the time that Bevan was going to announce his going Emeritus from the MUM Presidency and let Craig have that title and do that job for a while as a strategic part in the progress and succession of things here with the University and meditating community. That was not to be the case. Bevan holds tight to the Presidency. Generally it was a nice meeting that anyone could have attended and been interested by. Nothing was said that anybody should not have heard. It did not necessarily need to be a 'badge only' event. Any person coming in would have been re-affirmed and interested in the scope of the meeting. However, it was not an open meeting and was kept special that way evidently by a choice. -Buck LEnglish5 writes: I ask again: what was this all about? Did anyone bother to attend? Has anyone spoken to anyone who attended? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Sooo...? What was the meeting about? What was the exciting developments from teh visit by Commencement speaker Jim Carrey? l Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday Om, BTW, Not everyone is invited. [update: The following information regarding required badge was inadvertently omitted from the previous announcement: Please bring your current program badge or MUM ID. For other practitioners of the Transcendental Meditation program, please contact the Invincible America Department (472-1212 or email: iadept@... mailto:iadept@...).] Sunday, June 1st 1:30 pm – 3:30 pm Dalby Hall With Bevan and Craig Pearson. Special Afternoon with Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig Pearson Sunday, June 1st 1:30 pm – 3:30 pm Dalby Hall Reflections on Recent Graduation Events, News, and Stories from Africa and Around the World You are warmly invited to presentations by Dr. Bevan Morris and Dr. Craig Pearson as they share stories from this year’s fantastic graduation events—and exciting developments from the visit by Commencement speaker Jim Carrey. Dr. Morris will report on developments from his recent tour of eight nations in Africa, and also on the latest news from around the globe. Slides and video clips highlight his meetings with government and education leaders—including former Presidents—and with our Movement family. Jai Guru Dev
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Gee, if he's not enlightened now, then we can be sure he wasn't fully enlightened back then, either, eh? And as I said, Maharishi asking him to describe his legitimate Unity experiences says nothing about whether Robin would CONTINUE to have Unity experiences tomorrow or whatever. Maharishi made it explicit over and over again that meditation was vital during the awakening of CC, and by extension, as long as there was growth to be had along the CC axis, that meditation would always be useful or even necessary for further growth along that axis. And my impression of Robin is that he always had a bit of waking state ego that was constantly trying to get approval from Maharishi. Of course, the same could be said of Maharishi and Gurudev. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Well, I sure don't know whether Maharishi could ever have declared someone to be fully enlightened or permanently enlightened. I do know Robin never used either of those terms here to describe his state (I did a search), nor did he say Maharishi had. So that's just a red herring from your own imagination, one of the stories you made up. And I think it's utterly absurd for either of us (or anyone on FFL, for that matter) to attempt to evaluate his state of consciousness back then, let alone argue about it, so I'm not going to do that. All we have are the words in his posts describing what it was like to be Robin during that period (30-plus years ago), and they can't possibly enable us to know experientially what that was like for him. Robin was convinced he was in Unity consciousness, and he believed Maharishi had confirmed it. According to him, Maharishi never told him he wasn't or tried to discourage him from anything he was doing when he went back to Canada and attracted a group of followers on the basis of his purported Unity consciousness. He didn't meet with any resistance from Maharishi until the court case at MIU, when Robin fully expected Maharishi to support him, and Maharishi didn't. You and I weren't there. We didn't know Robin, were never around him. We don't know exactly what Maharishi told him or what Maharishi thought. The only person here with personal knowledge of Robin while he was at MIU with his group was Ann. It's fine to harbor doubts, but we have to realize we simply aren't in a position to make any kind of judgment. There's too much we don't know, too much we can't know. Obviously something went badly wrong for him toward the end of the 10 years, but all we know is how it manifested itself in his behavior, and what he eventually concluded about it during the 25 years when he attempted, apparently successfully, to shed the state of consciousness he had been in and go back to plain old waking state. It's just all extremely weird. All I can say is that I'm sure Robin told his story from his perspective as accurately as he could. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I was dubious of his full enlightenment, and as far as I can tell, what Maharishi said to him isn't you're fully enlightened, but your experiences of Unity are valid -please share them. If you look at how he described CC, GC, UC, etc., he couldn't possibly ever declare someone fully enlightened or even permanently enlightened. And Robin heard him as saying just that, as far as I can tell. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : That was about all you ever said to him, that you were dubious of his enlightenment, to the best of my recollection. Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused to give permission, and Robin gave up. Part of the problem with your attitude toward Robin is that you didn't read many of his posts, or didn't read them with attention, so you kept getting the story confused and making up your own. That you would ask him two years ago whether he still meditated is symptomatic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I'd have to take a long step back to be sure which swipes you think I've taken, otehr than chalenging Robin's take on his own enlightenment. Of course, I have always held that neither Maharishi nor Gurudev was perfectly enlightened, either, but neither of them decided that they could take other people's students, without any formal nod from the previous teacher, and co-opt what they were being taught. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Of course you take it as a swipe at Robin. As far as I can recall, you've done nothing but swipe at him ever since he got here. He went to the trouble of
[FairfieldLife] So what are you watching?
Last night I watched a movie on DVD called Parts Per Billion which is kind of an On The Beach but with a bioweapon instead of nukes killing off humanity. It stars Frank Langella, Gena Rowlands, Rasario Dawson, Josh Harnett, Teresa Palmer and Penn Badgley. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2495104/ I watch a bunch of trailers for films released this week (in theaters and rentals). I see Clark Gregg (Agents of STEALTH) is in a comedy about and Hollywood booking agent which has a number of A-List actors in it. It's available for online rental. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2421416/ Live, Die, Repeat pairs Tom Cruise with Emily Blunt in a sci-fi action movie which seems to have an interesting theme. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1631867/ So what are you watching?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
You think that buzzing the Dome in helicopters and dropping leaflets on people wasn't a bit off? You think that convincing a lawyer to violate laws (which was mentioned in the court proceedings) wasn't a bit off? Robin was clearly unbalanced at that point, which goes along with my analysis that whatever was going on his head involved large amounts of unstressing. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I don't know the story behind Robin's adding to the sutras, so I can't comment on what he intended. At the time, he obviously thought Maharishi would approve, or he wouldn't have demanded that he validate it for the court case. According to Robin, Maharishi's denial, without explanation, in his recorded deposition came as a complete, shocking surprise. No, I don't think co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher is a better way of putting it. As far as I'm aware, the sutra additions were the only thing that could be described that way, and as I say, he assumed Maharishi would approve, and gave up without argument when he didn't. I have no idea what was going on in his mind at that point; obviously it was way off track. But then remember his experience was that he was acting not of his own free will but at the behest of cosmic forces (which he decided much later were not benign). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is the kind of thing that I would call co-opting Maharishi's teaching. Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was appropriate for him to do so. Perhaps co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher is a better way of putting it. L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I wrote: Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused to give permission, and Robin gave up. Add: ...refused to give permission or endorse his enlightenment
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Robin never intended to not be a part of the organization, actually. He wanted to reform it, not leave it. And he didn't want anything specific after he became enlightened. According to him, his experience was that he no longer had any personal desires. If you read his posts, what Xeno goes on to say matches what he has said of that experience. Don't mistake what he said that I quoted below for a perspective that he adopted personally, even though it's expressed that way now. At the time, it was, in his experience, a perspective that was bestowed upon him, that he had no choice but to adopt--or in Xeno's words, just another object in the field of experience. Finally, as far as he was concerned, his experience was exactly what Maharishi described in a passage from SBAL that I posted at one point. Don't have time to look it up now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Whether or not Robin co-opted Maharishi's teaching is to me not an important point, since every teacher that goes out on their own rather than being part of some organization has co-opted the teachings of those before them and probably added to, and subtracted from them as well. I do not see here in what Robin says that he knew what enlightenment was, but there is a problem in my saying this because the essential value that various traditions ascribe to this idea of enlightenment would seem to be undefined, indescribable because it is beyond the ability of thought to encompass except by the poor use of analogy and metaphor which means one has to 'read between the lines' to grasp what is being talked about, and if you do not know what is being talked about you cannot grasp the significance of the metaphor. This would lead to the conclusion that you cannot actually ever say what enlightenment is. My thought here is Robin wanted to be co-equal with infinity while retaining individuality rather than just be infinity. This is not to say that in 'enlightenment' there is no experience of ego, but that the interpretation of experience is not via the ego in enlightenment, it is just another object in the field of experience. In 'ignorance' the interpretation of experience is via the ego, through the small self. In enlightenment, experience is interpreted as a function of the totality of consciousness, which is not a persons individuality. But as enlightenment is essentially undefined, that probably cannot mean much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if not, er, perfectly clear). Excerpt: What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the drama of *individuation*. I certainly had perfect confidence that Maharishi, eventually, would confer upon me an official status which would enable all those who were devoted to him to be initiated into the reality of what seemed empirically undeniable; namely, that one's life, the providence of one's personal history, was the universe's attempt to create a perfect kind of individuality through the drama that, metaphysically, was contained in the context of one's life--especially in relationship with other human beings. As vivid and real as this seemed to me while I was in Unity Consciousness--and everyone who participated in this adventure with me became convinced of this truth of the intrinsic meaningfulness of one's life in a very personal sense--and acted out and applied this truth in their own life quite independent of myself--as vivid and real as this was, it now, after coming down from enlightenment, seems unreal to me. But that is what I was seeking from Maharishi: the official imprimatur which would enable all his initiators/governors to recognize the complementary reality to transcendence: perfect individuation through becoming sensitive to the inherent drama of one's personal life. That life was arranged to make manifest this drama I only wanted the TM initiators to know the secret that seemed to have been uncovered through my enlightenment. The secret of Western Civilization as seen through the Veda in the form of an enlightenment which appeared to confer equal significance to the Self and the self. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 I still don't think co-opt is quite the right term, but clearly he felt Maharishi's teaching needed this additional component (at least in the West) that only he, Robin, could supply. Right, I had forgotten some of the details of this whole drama I was involved in for 3.5 years. It was about the personal-ness, the individuation, the West. Robin felt he
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I don't recall that MMY claimed that one couldnt' glimpse Unity for a while and then fall away, especially if one still has to continue stabilizing CC via TM and elects not to do TM. Once the CC goes, the UC no longer can exist. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : This is one of the reasons I think all these states of consciousness outlined by Marshy the Huckster are just a bunch of blabber. By his definition, Unity is PERMANENT! One does not have it and then leave it. If it is our true nature, how could one fall out of it after realizing one's true self? I still think that all of our states of awareness are part of the whole experience of being human and you can experience any or all of it anytime. One goes in and out of a plethora of states of consciousness. Its all there. Some people like maybe Nisagardatta and folks like that seem to remain in that state of Unity for years sometimes from the time they say they woke up till they croak. But even that is suspect in my opinion since we mainly have their word for it, and the word of people who are wowed by them and need to believe their chosen guru has it all together. Personally I think all this states of consciousness stuff is just a hope and a way of feeling special. From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if not, er, perfectly clear). Excerpt: What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the drama of *individuation*. I certainly had perfect confidence that Maharishi, eventually, would confer upon me an official status which would enable all those who were devoted to him to be initiated into the reality of what seemed empirically undeniable; namely, that one's life, the providence of one's personal history, was the universe's attempt to create a perfect kind of individuality through the drama that, metaphysically, was contained in the context of one's life--especially in relationship with other human beings. As vivid and real as this seemed to me while I was in Unity Consciousness--and everyone who participated in this adventure with me became convinced of this truth of the intrinsic meaningfulness of one's life in a very personal sense--and acted out and applied this truth in their own life quite independent of myself--as vivid and real as this was, it now, after coming down from enlightenment, seems unreal to me. But that is what I was seeking from Maharishi: the official imprimatur which would enable all his initiators/governors to recognize the complementary reality to transcendence: perfect individuation through becoming sensitive to the inherent drama of one's personal life. That life was arranged to make manifest this drama I only wanted the TM initiators to know the secret that seemed to have been uncovered through my enlightenment. The secret of Western Civilization as seen through the Veda in the form of an enlightenment which appeared to confer equal significance to the Self and the self. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/313720 I still don't think co-opt is quite the right term, but clearly he felt Maharishi's teaching needed this additional component (at least in the West) that only he, Robin, could supply. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is the kind of thing that I would call co-opting Maharishi's teaching. Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was appropriate for him to do so. Perhaps co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher is a better way of putting it. I think to some degree you are correct in that he felt he could impart some of the techniques and add his own spin to them. He didn't get the siddhis until some of his TM teacher group followers taught them to him. At that point we all got his version of them even though must of us had the original siddhis taught to us via the normal channels. I believe his actions in this case were fueled by the sense that he could do no wrong created by his then current state (of enlightenment) coupled with a healthy dose of ego generated by the illusion created by his hallucinatory state. It is by his own admission that he felt his enlightenment
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
How do you interpret my words way off track, Lawson? Do you even read what I write in my posts? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : You think that buzzing the Dome in helicopters and dropping leaflets on people wasn't a bit off? You think that convincing a lawyer to violate laws (which was mentioned in the court proceedings) wasn't a bit off? Robin was clearly unbalanced at that point, which goes along with my analysis that whatever was going on his head involved large amounts of unstressing. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I don't know the story behind Robin's adding to the sutras, so I can't comment on what he intended. At the time, he obviously thought Maharishi would approve, or he wouldn't have demanded that he validate it for the court case. According to Robin, Maharishi's denial, without explanation, in his recorded deposition came as a complete, shocking surprise. No, I don't think co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher is a better way of putting it. As far as I'm aware, the sutra additions were the only thing that could be described that way, and as I say, he assumed Maharishi would approve, and gave up without argument when he didn't. I have no idea what was going on in his mind at that point; obviously it was way off track. But then remember his experience was that he was acting not of his own free will but at the behest of cosmic forces (which he decided much later were not benign). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings, but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is the kind of thing that I would call co-opting Maharishi's teaching. Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his own, but that he decided he was competent enough to give advice and that it was appropriate for him to do so. Perhaps co-opt Maharishi's position AS teacher is a better way of putting it. L. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I wrote: Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharishi, not surprisingly, refused to give permission, and Robin gave up. Add: ...refused to give permission or endorse his enlightenment
[FairfieldLife] A musical interlude to lighten things up
A little tune to offset the seemingly serious discussion of whether a nutjob was enlightened. Trust me...the video is both more intelligent and more interesting than the subject of discussion ever was. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKPWWG6efqY
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow you know it is there. Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of continuous experience, is rather a perspective one has about all kinds of experiences. In relation to what Latham reported, BC would not be an experience, the transition to BC would be an experience in which the perspective one has about experience 'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in general, not what the experience is. So before this shift, you interpret experience in certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' interpret experience a different way, but the experiences are basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This is the seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that presents enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing a snake when only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and enlightenment is an all together different animal. We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and Latham, who said that all those states were basically untrue as far as enlightenment was concerned, Maharishi agreeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : P.S.: According to Robin, his experience was not that he fell out of Unity, but rather that he deliberately pulled himself out of it and back to waking state during the 25 years after he realized things had gone badly wrong. He never said anything about the Unity experience having gone away until he decided it was responsible for what had happened and set out to rid himself of it (a long, exceedingly torturous process, according to him). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : No, we can't be sure of that. Robin was something of a special case in many respects. Again, we simply aren't in a position to say what was going on with him. And as I just told you--and you have convenienly ignored--he never used the term fully enlightened to describe his state in his FFL posts, nor did he attribute it to Maharishi. Finally, there's no evidence that he stopped meditating until after things had fallen apart and he realized something was badly wrong. I told you that too, and you've ignored it as well. There doesn't seem to have been a CC stage for him in any case--his experience at Arosa was that of the sudden dawning of Unity consciousness (as described by Maharishi) without going through the intermediate stages. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Gee, if he's not enlightened now, then we can be sure he wasn't fully enlightened back then, either, eh? And as I said, Maharishi asking him to describe his legitimate Unity experiences says nothing about whether Robin would CONTINUE to have Unity experiences tomorrow or whatever. Maharishi made it explicit over and over again that meditation was vital during the awakening of CC, and by extension, as long as there was growth to be had along the CC axis, that meditation would always be useful or even necessary for further growth along that axis. And my impression of Robin is that he always had a bit of waking state ego that was constantly trying to get approval from Maharishi. Of course, the same could be said of Maharishi and Gurudev. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'
Agreed - good analogy, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I agree. Even worse Barry equates his denial, with non-attachment, and thus convinces himself of his spiritual progress. However, he is making it increasingly clear, on here, by his overheated attempts at retribution, that he is fiercely attached to getting even, which is the polar opposite of letting go. He is kind of fascinating to watch, as an object lesson in ego-blindness. A very fragile, and unstable personality, that one. The fact that most here have bawee figured out will not make a difference to him. He has only one strategy and as pitiful and pathetic as it is we must accept him for the fact he can't seem to do more than this. It's like a guy who possesses one golf club in his golf bag and it is a 9 iron. Leaving the tee on a 450 yard hole is just not gonna get him to the green in less than 9 strokes. The least we could do is walk slowly to let him catch up as he duffs his way down the fairway. God only knows how he's gonna be able to putt with that thing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I don't think Barry is even aware of it when his buttons have been pushed. It's a kind of denial. Just in general, Barry is seriously deficient in self-knowledge; he can't see his own patterns that are so obvious to the rest of us. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I just find it odd, that Barry seems to feel he has monopoly on this button pushing thing. I guess you can define having your buttons pushed, in number of different ways. A person says something you disagree with, and you respond. Did you just get your buttons pushed? Somebody says something in a way that denigrates you, (or someone else), which could have been said in much less confrontational way, and you object to it. Did you just get your buttons pushed? You are a thinking, feeling human being, and someone says something insensitive, or designed to insult you, and you have a reaction, if only for a moment. Did you just get your buttons pushed? I guess for Barry, it is a mark of distinction to claim, I never get my buttons pushed Or how 'bout. I ain't got no stinkin buttons to be pushed Ookaay.
[FairfieldLife] No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
As MMY used to point out: Recollecting the mantra (boing, boing) is simple, natural remembering and does not require some special or applied effort at recall. Therefore, the first shift of attention from thinking/feeling/sensing is effortless because remembering the mantra is effortless. Recognizing “Oh, I am now thinking” is also a natural occurrence and does not require self-reflective examination, mental analysis or any type of self-monitoring process. Therefore, the second shift of attention is also effortless. Therefore … since two shifts of attention were effortless, likewise the third shift. Returning to the mantra (boing, boing), is the third shift of attention and is just recollecting it like the first shift of attention … “I was thinking of something other than the mantra. “Oh … boing, boing”.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of enlightenment, although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven states, because we still identify with a self. UC is everything, *in terms of the self*. There is still false ownership going on - very subtle, but it creates a boundary between whoever we sense ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is. Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an SOC, like any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, incorporating all permutations of the identified seven states. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow you know it is there. Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of continuous experience, is rather a perspective one has about all kinds of experiences. In relation to what Latham reported, BC would not be an experience, the transition to BC would be an experience in which the perspective one has about experience 'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in general, not what the experience is. So before this shift, you interpret experience in certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' interpret experience a different way, but the experiences are basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This is the seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that presents enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing a snake when only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and enlightenment is an all together different animal. We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and Latham, who said that all those states were basically untrue as far as enlightenment was concerned, Maharishi agreeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : P.S.: According to Robin, his experience was not that he fell out of Unity, but rather that he deliberately pulled himself out of it and back to waking state during the 25 years after he realized things had gone badly wrong. He never said anything about the Unity experience having gone away until he decided it was responsible for what had happened and set out to rid himself of it (a long, exceedingly torturous process, according to him). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : No, we can't be sure of that. Robin was something of a special case in many respects. Again, we simply aren't in a position to say what was going on with him. And as I just told you--and you have convenienly ignored--he never used the term fully enlightened to describe his state in his FFL posts, nor did he attribute it to Maharishi. Finally, there's no evidence that he stopped meditating until after things had fallen apart and he realized something was badly wrong. I told you that too, and you've ignored it as well. There doesn't seem to have been a CC stage for him in any case--his experience at Arosa was that of the sudden dawning of Unity consciousness (as described by Maharishi) without going through the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
On 6/4/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Obama helping with global warming, as if that negates what he did viz a viz our food supply! So, they want to build a food co-op at Fairfield, but not in town, to sell GMO foods to the people, but the people will have to drive in their cars to get the GMO food? Gas prices are going way up and coal is being phased out - so how will people be able to afford gasoline to drive anywhere and heat their homes in the winter? There needs to be a long range sensible plan so that ordinary people can afford a home and eat. The rent is already too damn high. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
Richard, the Heartland Co-op is a proposed granary and fertilizer plant. Only 18 wheelers and choo choo trains will be driving to it (-: On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:05 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/4/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Obama helping with global warming, as if that negates what he did viz a viz our food supply! So, they want to build a food co-op at Fairfield, but not in town, to sell GMO foods to the people, but the people will have to drive in their cars to get the GMO food? Gas prices are going way up and coal is being phased out - so how will people be able to afford gasoline to drive anywhere and heat their homes in the winter? There needs to be a long range sensible plan so that ordinary people can afford a home and eat. The rent is already too damn high. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Primary Day
On 6/4/2014 10:45 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: California did pass an referendum to help homeless vets and get them off the streets. Really that should be funded by taxing the defense industry and it really should just be a federal government program for folks who have served in the military. Right now our war mongers just use people to fight their wars of empire and them dump them on the street afterward in a slam bam thank you ma'am fashion. When are you going to understand that large government run programs always fail? The government isn't able to run large projects such as the VA or health care, or even the Post Office. There's no pilot at the controls - what we need is a real leader and a smaller government. The Senate’s failed, irrelevant plan to throw $20 billion at Veterans Affairs problems. Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/the-senates-failed-irrelevant-plan-to-throw-20-billion-at-veterans-affairs-problems/article/2549159 To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
On 6/4/2014 10:51 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: actually, Maharishi enver said there was effot involved. Someone else kept insisting that there HAD to be effot involved, and the topic was thinking the mantra, not monitoring whether or not you WERE thinking the mantra. Sheesh. How many ways can people misunderstand simple instructions? Small wonder more people aren't getting enlightened. Confusion arises from erroneously identifying words, objects, and ideas with one another; knowledge of the cries of all creatures comes through perfect discipline of the distinctions between them (Patanjali, Yoga Sutra 3.17).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: The Attention Economy
On 06/04/2014 12:16 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 6/4/2014 10:40 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: So make a conscious effort to do things way out of your norm to poison your profile. Also if you post your picture use morphings software to obfuscate it enough so the NSA can't figure out which picture of you is real. You sound really scared. Are you thinking the NSA doesn't have access to your California DL photo? The best way to flummox tyranny is through chaos. No Richard, I'm not scared. The people who believe that it is important to spy on Americans are obviously subspecies and beneath us. Mock them every chance you get.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Primary Day
On 06/04/2014 12:28 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 6/4/2014 10:45 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: California did pass an referendum to help homeless vets and get them off the streets. Really that should be funded by taxing the defense industry and it really should just be a federal government program for folks who have served in the military. Right now our war mongers just use people to fight their wars of empire and them dump them on the street afterward in a slam bam thank you ma'am fashion. When are you going to understand that large government run programs always fail? The government isn't able to run large projects such as the VA or health care, or even the Post Office. There's no pilot at the controls - what we need is a real leader and a smaller government. They used to be good at it. Lots of vets took advantage of the G.I. Bill for higher education. The post office was okay until it started being run as a corporation and then the Repugs passed a bill to make them pay for pensions of workers not even born yet. They want you broke as a 16th century village pauper so they can buy your property for pennies on the dollar and rule over you like a king. And you just roll over and let them do it? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less about what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied. On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course thatthe whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of enlightenment, although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven states, because we still identify with a self. UC is everything, *in terms of the self*. There is still false ownership going on - very subtle, but it creates a boundary between whoever we sense ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is. Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an SOC, like any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, incorporating all permutations of the identified seven states. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow you know it is there. Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of continuous experience, is rather a perspective one has about all kinds of experiences. In relation to what Latham reported, BC would not be an experience, the transition to BC would be an experience in which the perspective one has about experience 'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in general, not what the experience is. So before this shift, you interpret experience in certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' interpret experience a different way, but the experiences are basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This is the seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that presents enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing a snake when only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and enlightenment is an all together different animal. We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and Latham, who said that all those states were basically untrue as far as enlightenment was concerned, Maharishi agreeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : P.S.: According to Robin, his experience was not that he fell out of Unity, but rather that he deliberately pulled himself out of it and back to waking state during the 25 years /after/ he realized things had gone badly wrong. He never said anything about the Unity experience having gone away until he decided it was responsible for what had happened and set out to rid himself of it (a long, exceedingly torturous process, according to him). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : No, we can't be sure of that. Robin was something of a special case in many respects. Again, we simply aren't in a position to say what was going on with him. And as I just told you--and you have convenienly ignored--he never used the term fully enlightened to describe his state in his FFL posts, nor did he attribute it to Maharishi. Finally, there's no evidence that he stopped meditating until after things had fallen apart and he realized something was badly wrong. I told you that too, and you've ignored
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
Clearly this the Secret Service being sarcastic, except you all missed it... 'The simpson's done it first'' The Simpsons - Sarcasm Detector https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ra6qKzXDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ra6qKzXDA The Simpsons - Sarcasm Detector https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ra6qKzXDA this baby is off the charts! View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ra6qKzXDA Preview by Yahoo Sarcasmoholics Anonymous Sarcasmoholics Anonymous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4QS8nL6bY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4QS8nL6bY Sarcasmoholics Anonymous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4QS8nL6bY Burnistoun S01E05 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN4QS8nL6bY Preview by Yahoo If you watch that you will never see the number ELEVEN or look at those voice activated things in the same way again--- mmh sorry it is about voice..not watch-see-look The problem of accents and voice recognition systems Burnistoun S1E1 - Voice Recognition Elevator - ELEVEN! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ#t=43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ#t=43 Burnistoun S1E1 - Voice Recognition Elevator - EL... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ#t=43 For those having trouble with the accent, see transcript below. [Iain] Where's the buttons? [Rob] Oh no, they've installed voice-recognition technology in t... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ#t=43 Preview by Yahoo Into your heart it will creep Paranoia strikes now deep, . Man comes and takes you away Starts when you're always afraid. Get out of line; Beware Turquoise stinging bee Its capabilities will not only include “sentiment analysis,” more importantly influencer identification
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
Isn't it Vedic City where GMOs are banned, NOT Fairfield? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/4/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Obama helping with global warming, as if that negates what he did viz a viz our food supply! So, they want to build a food co-op at Fairfield, but not in town, to sell GMO foods to the people, but the people will have to drive in their cars to get the GMO food? Gas prices are going way up and coal is being phased out - so how will people be able to afford gasoline to drive anywhere and heat their homes in the winter? There needs to be a long range sensible plan so that ordinary people can afford a home and eat. The rent is already too damn high. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state actually exists. We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple Unity letalone anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
[FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
The thing that many people seem to miss, is that the very act of noticing I'm not thinking the mantra often (generally? always?) involves thinking teh mantra. Don't think of pink elephants invariable involves thinking of pink elephants in some way. Likewise, noticing I'm not thinking 'the mantra' involves the mantra in someway, or at least that is generally been my experience ...maybe not always, for everyone, in ever case, and thereby hangs the confusion... And this, in my opinion, is why the instructions are so vague. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : As MMY used to point out: Recollecting the mantra (boing, boing) is simple, natural remembering and does not require some special or applied effort at recall. Therefore, the first shift of attention from thinking/feeling/sensing is effortless because remembering the mantra is effortless. Recognizing “Oh, I am now thinking” is also a natural occurrence and does not require self-reflective examination, mental analysis or any type of self-monitoring process. Therefore, the second shift of attention is also effortless. Therefore … since two shifts of attention were effortless, likewise the third shift. Returning to the mantra (boing, boing), is the third shift of attention and is just recollecting it like the first shift of attention … “I was thinking of something other than the mantra. “Oh … boing, boing”.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Primary Day
And the US military needs to privatize also. I mean, using private security to guard US military may have been a necessity during the war, but now everyone must realize that it's The RIght Thing To Do™ and they'll keep the private security force forever after because it's cheaper to hire private security to guard bases than to pay for a military person to do so... Everyone knows that private security forces always get paid far less than the equivalent military people. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/4/2014 10:45 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: California did pass an referendum to help homeless vets and get them off the streets. Really that should be funded by taxing the defense industry and it really should just be a federal government program for folks who have served in the military. Right now our war mongers just use people to fight their wars of empire and them dump them on the street afterward in a slam bam thank you ma'am fashion. When are you going to understand that large government run programs always fail? The government isn't able to run large projects such as the VA or health care, or even the Post Office. There's no pilot at the controls - what we need is a real leader and a smaller government. The Senate’s failed, irrelevant plan to throw $20 billion at Veterans Affairs problems. Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/the-senates-failed-irrelevant-plan-to-throw-20-billion-at-veterans-affairs-problems/article/2549159 http://washingtonexaminer.com/the-senates-failed-irrelevant-plan-to-throw-20-billion-at-veterans-affairs-problems/article/2549159
[FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
Perhaps vague is the wrong choice of words: open to interpretation might be a better choice. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : The thing that many people seem to miss, is that the very act of noticing I'm not thinking the mantra often (generally? always?) involves thinking teh mantra. Don't think of pink elephants invariable involves thinking of pink elephants in some way. Likewise, noticing I'm not thinking 'the mantra' involves the mantra in someway, or at least that is generally been my experience ...maybe not always, for everyone, in ever case, and thereby hangs the confusion... And this, in my opinion, is why the instructions are so vague. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : As MMY used to point out: Recollecting the mantra (boing, boing) is simple, natural remembering and does not require some special or applied effort at recall. Therefore, the first shift of attention from thinking/feeling/sensing is effortless because remembering the mantra is effortless. Recognizing “Oh, I am now thinking” is also a natural occurrence and does not require self-reflective examination, mental analysis or any type of self-monitoring process. Therefore, the second shift of attention is also effortless. Therefore … since two shifts of attention were effortless, likewise the third shift. Returning to the mantra (boing, boing), is the third shift of attention and is just recollecting it like the first shift of attention … “I was thinking of something other than the mantra. “Oh … boing, boing”.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Unless you day job is to talk about, teach about, philosophize about, or even conduct scientific research on, these various purported states. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less about what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied. On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of enlightenment, although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven states, because we still identify with a self. UC is everything, *in terms of the self*. There is still false ownership going on - very subtle, but it creates a boundary between whoever we sense ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is. Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an SOC, like any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, incorporating all permutations of the identified seven states. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow you know it is there. Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of continuous experience, is rather a perspective one has about all kinds of experiences. In relation to what Latham reported, BC would not be an experience, the transition to BC would be an experience in which the perspective one has about experience 'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in general, not what the experience is. So before this shift, you interpret experience in certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' interpret experience a different way, but the experiences are basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This is the seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that presents enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing a snake when only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and enlightenment is an all together different animal. We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and Latham, who said that all those states were basically untrue as far as enlightenment was concerned, Maharishi agreeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote : P.S.: According to Robin, his experience was not that he fell out of Unity, but rather that he deliberately pulled himself out of it and back to waking state during the 25 years after he realized things had gone badly wrong. He never said anything about the Unity experience having gone away until he decided it was responsible for what had happened and set out to rid himself of it (a long, exceedingly torturous process, according to him). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote : No, we can't be sure of that. Robin was something of a special case in many
Re: [FairfieldLife] Primary Day
So you want to live in Bladerunner World where everything is run by a one or a few corporations? Figures. On 06/04/2014 02:01 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: And the US military needs to privatize also. I mean, using private security to guard US military may have been a necessity during the war, but now everyone must realize that it's The RIght Thing To Do™ and they'll keep the private security force forever after because it's cheaper to hire private security to guard bases than to pay for a military person to do so... Everyone knows that private security forces always get paid far less than the equivalent military people. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/4/2014 10:45 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: California did pass an referendum to help homeless vets and get them off the streets. Really that should be funded by taxing the defense industry and it really should just be a federal government program for folks who have served in the military. Right now our war mongers just use people to fight their wars of empire and them dump them on the street afterward in a slam bam thank you ma'am fashion. When are you going to understand that large government run programs always fail? The government isn't able to run large projects such as the VA or health care, or even the Post Office. There's no pilot at the controls - what we need is a real leader and a smaller government. The Senate’s failed, irrelevant plan to throw $20 billion at Veterans Affairs problems. Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/the-senates-failed-irrelevant-plan-to-throw-20-billion-at-veterans-affairs-problems/article/2549159
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Which are only talked about for marketing purposes. Most other gurus just talk about moksha or liberation. On 06/04/2014 02:05 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Unless you day job is to talk about, teach about, philosophize about, or even conduct scientific research on, these various purported states. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less about what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied. On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course thatthe whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of enlightenment, although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven states, because we still identify with a self. UC is everything, *in terms of the self*. There is still false ownership going on - very subtle, but it creates a boundary between whoever we sense ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is. Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an SOC, like any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, incorporating all permutations of the identified seven states. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow you know it is there. Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of continuous experience, is rather a perspective one has about all kinds of experiences. In relation to what Latham reported, BC would not be an experience, the transition to BC would be an experience in which the perspective one has about experience 'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in general, not what the experience is. So before this shift, you interpret experience in certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' interpret experience a different way, but the experiences are basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This is the seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that presents enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing a snake when only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and enlightenment is an all together different animal. We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and Latham, who said that all those states were basically untrue as far as enlightenment was concerned, Maharishi agreeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote : P.S.: According to Robin, his experience was not that he fell out of Unity, but rather that he deliberately pulled himself out of it and back to waking state during the 25 years /after/ he realized things had gone badly wrong. He never said anything about the Unity
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Eh. MMY had a specific way of interpreting things. It has allowed Fred Travis and others to publish research on CC and get it published in major journals. It has allowed Fred to talk to famous scientists about conducting new research on CC. That's marketing of a sort, I guess. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Which are only talked about for marketing purposes. Most other gurus just talk about moksha or liberation. On 06/04/2014 02:05 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Unless you day job is to talk about, teach about, philosophize about, or even conduct scientific research on, these various purported states. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less about what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied. On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of enlightenment, although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven states, because we still identify with a self. UC is everything, *in terms of the self*. There is still false ownership going on - very subtle, but it creates a boundary between whoever we sense ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is. Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an SOC, like any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, incorporating all permutations of the identified seven states. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow you know it is there. Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of continuous experience, is rather a perspective one has about all kinds of experiences. In relation to what Latham reported, BC would not be an experience, the transition to BC would be an experience in which the perspective one has about experience 'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in general, not what the experience is. So before this shift, you interpret experience in certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' interpret experience a different way, but the experiences are basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This is the seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that presents enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing a snake when only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and enlightenment is an all together different animal. We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and Latham, who said that all those states were basically untrue as far as enlightenment was concerned, Maharishi agreeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote : P.S.: According to Robin,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
Did you not read teh descriptions of self from Fred's research? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I found the post describing his experience at Arosa. Remember that he wrote this only a couple of years later, not recently. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/316412 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/316412 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, stop it, Lawson. This is all just so silly. I think it was my word, and all it implied was that his Unity consciousness, according to him, arrived full-blown on the mountain at Arosa. I posted his description of that event written a few years later. Did you read it? There's virtually nothing we can figure out about his state of consciousness by parsing words, especially in Robin's absence. You're acting like a prosecutor, and that's not just inappropriate in this context, it's utterly useless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Dawning of Unity is a very intersting choice of words, in this context. Are they your words or his? Dawn implies much more to come. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
Have you ever had a spiritual experience that you told no one about, and then you find yourself reading it on-line, from someone you have never met, or, listening to a friend describe the same thing? I just found my old 7 SOC tape by MMY, and it was queued up for CC, and he specifically mentions, attunement with universal intelligence and power. No one really talks in terms of that much, and yet, it is the key, both to assessing one's progress, spiritually, and here on earth, too. Although there are no ways to measure Brahman (by definition), there are things said, and written, here and there, that allow us to gauge our progress. Jay's book is a good example. I read one of his many years ago, and these quotes may be from that one - nonetheless, there is something that resonates in his descriptions, that wouldn't, if he were just making it up. After CC stabilizes, there is no reason to look for false hope in higher states of consciousness, anyway, since the truth of life is always self-evident. It is a waste of time to mood make, even before it starts. The universe always finds a way to get its message out, positively, or negatively. My ongoing goal is to maximize my attunement with the universe, it being a lot bigger than I am, and take it from there. I have always focused more on concrete achievements in life, though it is fascinating to discover correlates to states of consciousness, that were previously thought to be unavailable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state actually exists. We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple Unity letalone anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
One thing I keep in mind with all these expressions of higher states is that Maharishi said that Unity meant being able to express the full value of any siddhi at any time, and that until that were the case, any experience was of no more validity than a philosophical stance. He also said that practicing the TM-Sidhis would be an eye-opener for some people as to what state of consciousness they were really in. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Have you ever had a spiritual experience that you told no one about, and then you find yourself reading it on-line, from someone you have never met, or, listening to a friend describe the same thing? I just found my old 7 SOC tape by MMY, and it was queued up for CC, and he specifically mentions, attunement with universal intelligence and power. No one really talks in terms of that much, and yet, it is the key, both to assessing one's progress, spiritually, and here on earth, too. Although there are no ways to measure Brahman (by definition), there are things said, and written, here and there, that allow us to gauge our progress. Jay's book is a good example. I read one of his many years ago, and these quotes may be from that one - nonetheless, there is something that resonates in his descriptions, that wouldn't, if he were just making it up. After CC stabilizes, there is no reason to look for false hope in higher states of consciousness, anyway, since the truth of life is always self-evident. It is a waste of time to mood make, even before it starts. The universe always finds a way to get its message out, positively, or negatively. My ongoing goal is to maximize my attunement with the universe, it being a lot bigger than I am, and take it from there. I have always focused more on concrete achievements in life, though it is fascinating to discover correlates to states of consciousness, that were previously thought to be unavailable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state actually exists. We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple Unity letalone anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Or like me, you just find it interesting, and enjoyable - like collecting coins, or hiking in the wilderness. The unfolding of enlightenment can have the same elements of breathless discovery, and achievement, like anything else. Ego tripping is always a danger, but that is a well recognized pitfall. Any responsible witness of one's personal path would have to take it into account, to make any progress at all, given the subject matter - lol. I can hack it, and so I enjoy my endless journey, stumbles, fumbles and all, with endless curiosity about what lies up ahead. Happy trails! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Unless you day job is to talk about, teach about, philosophize about, or even conduct scientific research on, these various purported states. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less about what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied. On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of enlightenment, although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven states, because we still identify with a self. UC is everything, *in terms of the self*. There is still false ownership going on - very subtle, but it creates a boundary between whoever we sense ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is. Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an SOC, like any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, incorporating all permutations of the identified seven states. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow you know it is there. Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other hand, if enlightenment is a particular kind of knowledge you have about experience, enlightenment does not have to be some kind of continuous experience, is rather a perspective one has about all kinds of experiences. In relation to what Latham reported, BC would not be an experience, the transition to BC would be an experience in which the perspective one has about experience 'permanently' shifts, that is, how the mind interprets experience in general, not what the experience is. So before this shift, you interpret experience in certain ways, and after the shift, 'you' interpret experience a different way, but the experiences are basically the same, nothing is changed otherwise. This is the seeing the rope as a snake and then seeing the rope as a rope kind of thing. It is on the level of knowledge about the experience. Until this, all this talk about states of consciousness is basically a scheme that presents enlightenment in terms of samsara, but these states are basically a description based in illusion or delusion, TC, CC, GC, UC are all just seeing a snake when only a rope is there; these states are a lie, and enlightenment is an all together different animal. We have Robin, who said everything was just as Maharishi said, and Latham, who said that all those states were basically untrue as far as enlightenment was concerned, Maharishi agreeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
I am in complete agreement, that without consequent worldly success, all the spiritual proclamations in the world, are worthless. Eye on the ball. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : One thing I keep in mind with all these expressions of higher states is that Maharishi said that Unity meant being able to express the full value of any siddhi at any time, and that until that were the case, any experience was of no more validity than a philosophical stance. He also said that practicing the TM-Sidhis would be an eye-opener for some people as to what state of consciousness they were really in. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Have you ever had a spiritual experience that you told no one about, and then you find yourself reading it on-line, from someone you have never met, or, listening to a friend describe the same thing? I just found my old 7 SOC tape by MMY, and it was queued up for CC, and he specifically mentions, attunement with universal intelligence and power. No one really talks in terms of that much, and yet, it is the key, both to assessing one's progress, spiritually, and here on earth, too. Although there are no ways to measure Brahman (by definition), there are things said, and written, here and there, that allow us to gauge our progress. Jay's book is a good example. I read one of his many years ago, and these quotes may be from that one - nonetheless, there is something that resonates in his descriptions, that wouldn't, if he were just making it up. After CC stabilizes, there is no reason to look for false hope in higher states of consciousness, anyway, since the truth of life is always self-evident. It is a waste of time to mood make, even before it starts. The universe always finds a way to get its message out, positively, or negatively. My ongoing goal is to maximize my attunement with the universe, it being a lot bigger than I am, and take it from there. I have always focused more on concrete achievements in life, though it is fascinating to discover correlates to states of consciousness, that were previously thought to be unavailable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state actually exists. We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple Unity letalone anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
[FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
How do you know it is the mantra you're remembering? (This isn't a deep philosophical query.) Say your mantra is potato and you *hear* yourself repeating potahto then you'd be relaxed about that as we are encouraged to allow the syllable to mutate without trying to think it clearly. So the mantra can settle down to being a vague pulse and we're cool. What I was curious about was those advanced techniques. When you learn a new mantra - and with additional syllables - doesn't it require effort to keep reminding yourself that you are repeating the new mantra correctly? So wouldn't it be less effective than the simple bija mantra beginners are given which are chosen precisely because they can be easily forgotten? (On a related note: does repeating the sidhi mantras not require a more conscious effort than regular TM? - they seem to be repeated with eyes open judging by film footage of hoppers - so I'm guessing TM takes you deeper than samyama.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
Robin explained to you why that first remark of Maharishi's is misleading. That was the post I linked to earlier; I gather you didn't bother to reread it. It's really one of his better posts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : One thing I keep in mind with all these expressions of higher states is that Maharishi said that Unity meant being able to express the full value of any siddhi at any time, and that until that were the case, any experience was of no more validity than a philosophical stance. He also said that practicing the TM-Sidhis would be an eye-opener for some people as to what state of consciousness they were really in. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Have you ever had a spiritual experience that you told no one about, and then you find yourself reading it on-line, from someone you have never met, or, listening to a friend describe the same thing? I just found my old 7 SOC tape by MMY, and it was queued up for CC, and he specifically mentions, attunement with universal intelligence and power. No one really talks in terms of that much, and yet, it is the key, both to assessing one's progress, spiritually, and here on earth, too. Although there are no ways to measure Brahman (by definition), there are things said, and written, here and there, that allow us to gauge our progress. Jay's book is a good example. I read one of his many years ago, and these quotes may be from that one - nonetheless, there is something that resonates in his descriptions, that wouldn't, if he were just making it up. After CC stabilizes, there is no reason to look for false hope in higher states of consciousness, anyway, since the truth of life is always self-evident. It is a waste of time to mood make, even before it starts. The universe always finds a way to get its message out, positively, or negatively. My ongoing goal is to maximize my attunement with the universe, it being a lot bigger than I am, and take it from there. I have always focused more on concrete achievements in life, though it is fascinating to discover correlates to states of consciousness, that were previously thought to be unavailable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Of course, no-one knows if he had this state, and no-one knows if this state actually exists. We don't even have physiological studies on people in simple Unity letalone anyone who can float during Yogic Flying practice, and what he's referring to as Brahmin Consciousness sounds to be much further beyond Yogic Flying, floating stage, as the floating stage is beyond the hopping stage. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
Re There's no monitoring required to do TM. In fact, you can get lost for hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be doing TM correctly.: I have wondered if people with OCD or similar obsessive habits can think a mantra effortlessly !
[FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
yoga chitta vritti nirodha: yoga is the cessation of the fluctuations of the mind I think MMY was deliberately vague about this matter: because what it means to return to the mantra at gross levels of thought is very different from what it means when hovering just above pure consciousness, when mantra and thought are experienced as subtle impulses of feeling. There's something to be said for not actually caring how it works, because too much concern about the mechanics keeps the meditator in the realm of expectation. And which is why dropping all expectations and analysis before sitting in meditation is so useful.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
On 06/04/2014 03:32 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you know it is the mantra you're remembering? (This isn't a deep philosophical query.) Say your mantra is potato and you *hear* yourself repeating potahto then you'd be relaxed about that as we are encouraged to allow the syllable to mutate without trying to think it clearly. So the mantra can settle down to being a vague pulse and we're cool. What I was curious about was those advanced techniques. When you learn a new mantra - and with additional syllables - doesn't it require effort to keep reminding yourself that you are repeating the new mantra correctly? So wouldn't it be less effective than the simple bija mantra beginners are given which are chosen precisely because they can be easily forgotten? Funny you should mention that. On my TTC when MMY came to make us teachers he also gave out advanced techniques. On the flight back home folks were running around asking do you remember the mantra that MMY gave you for an advanced technique? A number of people could not or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself). (On a related note: does repeating the sidhi mantras not require a more conscious effort than regular TM? - they seem to be repeated with eyes open judging by film footage of hoppers - so I'm guessing TM takes you deeper than samyama.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
Re Funny you should mention that. On my TTC when MMY came to make us teachers he also gave out advanced techniques. On the flight back home folks were running around asking do you remember the mantra that MMY gave you for an advanced technique? A number of people could not or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself). Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted back to their original bija mantras because they found the advanced technique mantra didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
?? During practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique, individuals report an experience of the Self aware of itself-free from the incessant thoughts, feelings and perceptions that usually fill their minds. Maharishi explains that this is Transcendental Consciousness, a fourth state of consciousness called Turiya Chetana in the Vedic tradition. Repeated alternation of the fourth state with customary waking activity gives rise to a new integrated state in which Transcendental Consciousness co-exists across the 24 hours of waking, dreaming and sleeping consciousness. Maharishi explains that this is Cosmic Consciousness, a fifth state of consciousness called Turiyatit Chetana. In Cosmic Consciousness, Transcendental Consciousness is experienced as a foundational state that is full in its Nature and is untouched by ongoing experience during waking, sleeping and dreaming. It is analogous to the vastness of the ocean not being lost with each rising wave of daily life.!?! FWIW in danada`s holding meru op-onion chasing fleeting wood`s maximize attunement with the universe of me-ness sounds flashy nice Anybody remembers MMY (appr. the same time -1973-o.m. paper butterfly-Share shared with us) intimate beautiful description how The Guru is needed and appears naturally by cosmic demand to recognize silently from within of within a tape amicale without outer noise and certainly no public assurancethe UC in the focused seeker--- in order to stop-settle down lovely- intimate with a laughing twinkle of an eye the chasing fleeting wood of UC? just asking without cosmic demand and then.. .. if I should ever go away Well, then close your eyes and try To feel the way we do today And then if you can remember Keep smiling, keep shining That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Friends http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Fri... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs That's What Friends Are For is a 1982 song written by Burt Bacharach and Carole Bayer Sager and introduced by Rod Stewart for the soundtrack of the... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'
Don't you guys who oppose this thing think it might be a mighty good idea to find out where the TM council members including the mayor stand? And especially MUM? Even tho its a university the fact that they are there, drawing in faulty, staff, and especially students plus the money they spend in the community makes them a force to be reckoned with locally. If MUM opposed the coop, that would add weight to the opposition. If they didn't take a position on it, it would be rather irresponsible of them not to do so as a matter of community. On the other hand, I imagine the Heartland people are not above making a fat monetary contribution to the school to ensure their support or at least their silence on the matter which would mean mayor and both council members would be mum on the issue also, no pun intended. Be a good idea to find out where MUM stands. As much of a force as it is in the community, they stand to be your greatest ally or greatest Judas. From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:29 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers' From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers' How many TM practitioners on Fairfield City Council besides the mayor? And what is their position on the Heartland Coop? And what position has MUM taken on the issue? John Revolinski and Connie Boyer. John probably opposes it. Don’t know about Connie. Not aware of MUM having taken a position. From:'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers' From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:54 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers' A tape of that session from Rick's TTC was probably the one I saw on the second phase of my TTC and was called Other Techniques. My tantra teacher and I would often go to visit other teachers in the area. My TTC was Estes Park. Just audio taped, not videotaped. But I believe such a session was held on every TTC, and probably still is. On 06/03/2014 08:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: From:'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I never witnessed anything as intense as what Barry relates, but on our TTC, part of the training was an evening in which we brought up every other teacher/path/practice we could think of and Maharishi explained how and why TM was superior. A rather odd thing to do in itself, if you think about it, but it's part of a larger pattern -- give TM teachers pat answers to parrot whenever a question arises. The more often they hear them and repeat them, the more they come to actually believe them. I remember in one small meeting on my TTC when he gave such a pat answer about a technique that someone in the audience of prospective TM teachers had actually practiced before starting TM. The fellow stood up and said -- politely -- that Maharishi was wrong in what he said, and that the practice in question had *nothing* to do with the way that Maharishi had described it. The person saying this was sent home the next day, and was never allowed to became a teacher. At a later meeting on the same course, Maharishi repeated the same incorrect putdown of that technique, now fully aware that it wasn't true. Also, when Muktananda came to Seelisberg, after he left, MMY reportedly addressed his students in a way that suggested he was a bit nervous they might have found Muktananda more alluring than he, and be tempted to change camps. I know someone from the Rama trip who was a Muktananda student, and who was actually present at one of those meetings with Maharishi. Suffice it to say that none of Muktananda's students needed such a talking to, because were completely underwhelmed by Maharishi. From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 2:09 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers' I just skimmed this, and want to read it more carefully later. Your primary involvement predated mine. I had the opportunity to see MMY personally many times, but usually not in a small group, and usually not for administrative issues.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
?? During practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique, individuals report an experience of the Self aware of itself-free from the incessant thoughts, feelings and perceptions that usually fill their minds. Maharishi explains that this is Transcendental Consciousness, a fourth state of consciousness called Turiya Chetana in the Vedic tradition. Repeated alternation of the fourth state with customary waking activity gives rise to a new integrated state in which Transcendental Consciousness co-exists across the 24 hours of waking, dreaming and sleeping consciousness. Maharishi explains that this is Cosmic Consciousness, a fifth state of consciousness called Turiyatit Chetana. In Cosmic Consciousness, Transcendental Consciousness is experienced as a foundational state that is full in its Nature and is untouched by ongoing experience during waking, sleeping and dreaming. It is analogous to the vastness of the ocean not being lost with each rising wave of daily life.!?! FWIW in danada`s holding meru op-onion chasing fleeting wood`s maximize attunement with the universe of me-ness sounds flashy nice Anybody remembers MMY (appr. the same time -1973-o.m. paper butterfly-Share shared with us) intimate beautiful description how The Guru is needed and appears naturally by cosmic demand to recognize silently with a tape amicale from within of within without outer noise and certainly no public assurancethe UC in the focused seeker--- in order to stop-settle down lovely- intimate with a laughing twinkle of an eye the chasing fleeting wood of UC? just asking without cosmic demand and then.. .. if I should ever go away Well, then close your eyes and try To feel the way we do today And then if you can remember Keep smiling, keep shining That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Friends http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs That's What Friends Are For - Dionne Warwick and Fri... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs That's What Friends Are For is a 1982 song written by Burt Bacharach and Carole Bayer Sager and introduced by Rod Stewart for the soundtrack of the... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHFElOHQzs Preview by Yahoo
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[FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Funny you should mention that. On my TTC when MMY came to make us teachers he also gave out advanced techniques. On the flight back home folks were running around asking do you remember the mantra that MMY gave you for an advanced technique? A number of people could not or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself). Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted back to their original bija mantras because they found the advanced technique mantra didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
It's helpful to distinguish self (the small egoic self) from Self (cap S), Atman. Was Fred talking about self or Self? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Did you not read teh descriptions of self from Fred's research? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
The question was the question. The answer from people who were planning on learning TM was in the first group. The answers from people who had learned TM but didn't report much, if any, witnessing was in the second group. The answers from people who had learned TM and reported witnessing 24 hours a day, 7 days a week continuously for at least 1 year, were in the 3rd group. Correlated teh answers with EEG patterns and came up with his Brain Integration Scale. Other researchers have used this scale and compared the EEG and response to the question for world-champion (consistently score in teh Top Ten in their event in world-level games) and non-champions (consistently score in the bottom 50% in the same games). The self-actualizing champions tended to show EEG patterns and response questions somewhere between those of groups 2 and 3 in the original study. ANother study compared award-winning managers in a larger firm vs the rank-and-file manager, and found roughly the same results on both EEG and self-description. Fred believes that his Brain Integration Scale is potentially a marker for stress and self-actualization. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It's helpful to distinguish self (the small egoic self) from Self (cap S), Atman. Was Fred talking about self or Self? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Did you not read teh descriptions of self from Fred's research? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
As far as I can tell, I think a mantra without effort with the best of 'em and I'm currently being evaluated for disability due to OCD/ADHD. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re There's no monitoring required to do TM. In fact, you can get lost for hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be doing TM correctly.: I have wondered if people with OCD or similar obsessive habits can think a mantra effortlessly !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
These days, there's plenty of research (well a few studies on EEG is plenty -sorta) done by non-TMers that find much the same effects as Fred's. This shouldnt' be that surprising. The desire of Believer Researchers is to find ways in which TM is different. THey hone their search based on how similar TM is or isn't to relaxation, looking for the ways in which it is NOT similar to simple relaxation. Unless you are accusing them of falsifiying data, it is inevitable that they would find ways where TM is different than radically different practices. What is interesting is that it appears to be different than practices that sound like they should have teh same effects as TM does. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : When I taught TM no one came and asked about CC, GC or UC. Most everyone was there for learning a technique to relax, to help them be less uptight, to help with psychological or medical problems they were having, etc. There might have occasionally been somebody who was into eastern philosophy and were their to see how TM worked in that regard. As for EEG studies, they were there for backup though it might have been a little more honest to say our studies show that TM generates these results so as to leave a challenge open to other organizations to show their research (as if they would care). On 06/04/2014 02:35 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Eh. MMY had a specific way of interpreting things. It has allowed Fred Travis and others to publish research on CC and get it published in major journals. It has allowed Fred to talk to famous scientists about conducting new research on CC. That's marketing of a sort, I guess. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Which are only talked about for marketing purposes. Most other gurus just talk about moksha or liberation. On 06/04/2014 02:05 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Unless you day job is to talk about, teach about, philosophize about, or even conduct scientific research on, these various purported states. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less about what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied. On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. Well said. It seems obvious that UC cannot be a full state of enlightenment, although it is seen as the pinnacle of the seven states, because we still identify with a self. UC is everything, *in terms of the self*. There is still false ownership going on - very subtle, but it creates a boundary between whoever we sense ourselves to be, in UC, and what simply is. Latham is reporting an accurate experience, that BC is not really an SOC, like any of the others are, but more a deeply intuitive knowing, incorporating all permutations of the identified seven states. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote : According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back (which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences), Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those points, saying that BC, Brahman Consciousness, was the only reality, and that its dawning, in what he reports as Maharishi's words 'knocks you flat on your back' and that it takes some time to begin to function in BC. I am not always sure Maharishi is entirely consistent in describing these end states of enlightenment because it is not really possible to do this. For example on one tape I heard years ago, he talked of the absolute in unity being on the level of knowledge (rather than experience like a state). That is you don't feel, it, see it, etc., but somehow you know it is there. Because experience is always changing, does it even make sense that enlightenment is a state of experience? It always seems implied in the movement that enlightenment is some kind of continuous state of experience. On the other hand, if
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
When did you get your advanced technique? When I got mine in 1976 it was based on a different beej mantra from the first technique I got. I've heard in later years it might have been taught by using the original beej and adding to it. There are all kinds of way to create advanced mantras and they can have different effects too. On 06/04/2014 05:28 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ReFunny you should mention that. On my TTC when MMY came to make us teachers he also gave out advanced techniques. On the flight back home folks were running around asking do you remember the mantra that MMY gave you for an advanced technique? A number of people could not or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself). Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted back to their original bija mantras because they found the advanced technique mantra didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi explains how UC becomes Brahman
Fleetwood, for me it's not a CONCEPT of near and dear Self. It's an isness that's closer than the closest, almost impossible to put into words. On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:34 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thank you for this, Share - It is interesting that Maharishi refers to the ripening of UC (Brahman), as still in terms of the Self. I suppose in terms of continuing to function as a human being, that thread is necessary, the laisha vidya, but when the Self can, in reality, be anywhere, non local to the body, can it legitimately still be referred to as our Self? Not an argument, but experience (in Brahman) begins to render the concept of the Self, that has been near and dear, from CC on, almost meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : 5/19-Maharishi: How Unity Consciousness becomes Brahman Consciousness becomes a part of Brahman Now, in the beginning days of Unity the object of the main focus of attention is appreciated in terms of the Self. This object is seen -- the eyes fall on it -- this object is appreciated in terms of the subject. But the eyes not only fall on this; there is the whole paraphernalia in the background. But that is in the background. The main focus is on this carnation, the secondary focus is on the table, the third-grade focus is on the floor, the fourth-grade is on this side. So, there are degrees of focus. In the beginning days of Unity only the first focus -- the object of first attention -- is in terms of the Self, and when this state is lived for a while the object of the second focus also participates in the same value. A little more practice, a little more living of Unity, and even the objects of the third-grade focus and then the fourth-grade focus [are in terms of the Self]. Like that, as we start to live the near environment in terms of the Self, so the ability to appreciate the farther values of the environment in terms of the Self keeps increasing. And the time comes when all the galactic universe, which we can't even see -- the whole thing becomes concretely cognized, and appreciated in terms of the Self. And that is the last [furthest] range of Unity Consciousness which, due to its different characteristic, has been given a name: Brahman Consciousness. It's Unity Consciousness; only, it's the expansion of Unity. ~Maharishi~ ~Seelisberg, Switzerland -- October 4, 1973~ ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 50-51)-- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~ * * * * * * * From Unity is born that wholeness which is Brahman, in comparison to which, Unity becomes a part, has the value of a part. ~Maharishi~ ~Vittel, France -- September 19, 1973 ~Conversations with Maharishi, Volume 1 (p. 51) -- Edited by Dr. Vernon Katz -- 2011~
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
aing to aing namah to shri aing namah is the way it went for me. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring When did you get your advanced technique? When I got mine in 1976 it was based on a different beej mantra from the first technique I got. I've heard in later years it might have been taught by using the original beej and adding to it. There are all kinds of way to create advanced mantras and they can have different effects too. On 06/04/2014 05:28 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Funny you should mention that. On my TTC when MMY came to make us teachers he also gave out advanced techniques. On the flight back home folks were running around asking do you remember the mantra that MMY gave you for an advanced technique? A number of people could not or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself). Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted back to their original bija mantras because they found the advanced technique mantra didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
How do you reconcile the fact that TM is supposed to make all things get better in a fabulous way (according to the pr) and you have been doing TM for all these years yet are OCD? If TM works as advertised, why do you think it has not melted the OCD energy away? From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana As far as I can tell, I think a mantra without effort with the best of 'em and I'm currently being evaluated for disability due to OCD/ADHD. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re There's no monitoring required to do TM. In fact, you can get lost for hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be doing TM correctly.: I have wondered if people with OCD or similar obsessive habits can think a mantra effortlessly !
[FairfieldLife] Shiva mantra to crush bad karma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0_z7umKiQA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0_z7umKiQA
[FairfieldLife] Lightness of Being
Magic mantra to change negative karma to good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2XkzZR4R0U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2XkzZR4R0U
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
Obviously, a large part of my OCD, etc is not stress-related (a large part is so on days when I'm more regular, my OCD, etc seems to be less). L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How do you reconcile the fact that TM is supposed to make all things get better in a fabulous way (according to the pr) and you have been doing TM for all these years yet are OCD? If TM works as advertised, why do you think it has not melted the OCD energy away? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana As far as I can tell, I think a mantra without effort with the best of 'em and I'm currently being evaluated for disability due to OCD/ADHD. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re There's no monitoring required to do TM. In fact, you can get lost for hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be doing TM correctly.: I have wondered if people with OCD or similar obsessive habits can think a mantra effortlessly !
[FairfieldLife] detailed advanced technique discussion = bye bye for me.
as the title suggests. I'm outa. Cheers all. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
For what it is worth, discussion of advanced techniques could result in instant fail on TTC, or so I have read. Maharishi was far more strict about advanced technique discussion than about regular TM. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : When did you get your advanced technique? When I got mine in 1976 it was based on a different beej mantra from the first technique I got. I've heard in later years it might have been taught by using the original beej and adding to it. There are all kinds of way to create advanced mantras and they can have different effects too. On 06/04/2014 05:28 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : Re Funny you should mention that. On my TTC when MMY came to make us teachers he also gave out advanced techniques. On the flight back home folks were running around asking do you remember the mantra that MMY gave you for an advanced technique? A number of people could not or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself). Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted back to their original bija mantras because they found the advanced technique mantra didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How do you reconcile the fact that TM is supposed to make all things get better in a fabulous way (according to the pr) and you have been doing TM for all these years yet are OCD? If TM works as advertised, why do you think it has not melted the OCD energy away? I don't think that is how it works, all too literal and absolute. TM may be a positive thing to do, it may reduce stress, it may even get you to enlightenment but it won't remove warts, fix the ingrown toenail or ensure you don't have bad breath in the morning. Maybe if Sparaig didn't do TM he would be dead for all you know. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana As far as I can tell, I think a mantra without effort with the best of 'em and I'm currently being evaluated for disability due to OCD/ADHD. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re There's no monitoring required to do TM. In fact, you can get lost for hours in thought if you have mental health problems as I do, and still be doing TM correctly.: I have wondered if people with OCD or similar obsessive habits can think a mantra effortlessly !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
Most people got the very well known mantra for Saraswati. If the person also got the Saraswati beej then it would seem like more words were just added which happened in your case. However there are other goddess mantras in TM and people who had those and got the Saraswati mantra wouldn't have seen any relationship between the two. Mantras are enhanced by adding more samput in the form of more beejs. On 06/04/2014 06:12 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: aing to aing namah to shri aing namah is the way it went for me. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring When did you get your advanced technique? When I got mine in 1976 it was based on a different beej mantra from the first technique I got. I've heard in later years it might have been taught by using the original beej and adding to it. There are all kinds of way to create advanced mantras and they can have different effects too. On 06/04/2014 05:28 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : ReFunny you should mention that. On my TTC when MMY came to make us teachers he also gave out advanced techniques. On the flight back home folks were running around asking do you remember the mantra that MMY gave you for an advanced technique? A number of people could not or were confused as to it's pronunciation (including myself). Ha-ha! There are also stories of people (here on FFL) who reverted back to their original bija mantras because they found the advanced technique mantra didn't agree with them. (I bet there was no money-back-if-not-completely-satisfied clause.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
Authfriend: Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case for me. Yes, that is true. Supposedly, we only get one bija mantra. It is later used with Sanskrit words that interject certain meanings and actions – for TM they are shama akshara-s (i.e. peaceful, laudatory and surrendering seed-sounds). However, this is not true for TM teachers since, by definition, they received a well-known sequence of bija mantras used to initiate students. Most teachers appear to use this group of mantras only to initiate. However, the whole group of mantras is fully charged and available for meditation whenever used in that manner. Most TM teachers don’t like to talk about this possibility - proly because they are apprehensive about it being “off the program”. I have done so (of course) and find this collection rather too intense to use for the sake of mere curiosity. In the live-a-day world, such potency, distinctive qualities and effacing intensity is more suited to those renunciate sadhus keen to finish off their stock of prarabdha karma.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
So, they don't sell food at the food co-op? Go figure. Somebody should start a food co-op in town that people can walk to to get good, reasonably priced groceries. Do they have any good grocery stores in FF? We are living about two blocks from the Whole Foods Market now. ? On 6/4/2014 2:27 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, the Heartland Co-op is a proposed granary and fertilizer plant. Only 18 wheelers and choo choo trains will be driving to it (-: On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:05 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/4/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Obama helping with global warming, as if that negates what he did viz a viz our food supply! So, they want to build a food co-op at Fairfield, but not in town, to sell GMO foods to the people, but the people will have to drive in their cars to get the GMO food? Gas prices are going way up and coal is being phased out - so how will people be able to afford gasoline to drive anywhere and heat their homes in the winter? There needs to be a long range sensible plan so that ordinary people can afford a home and eat. The rent is already too damn high. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
On 6/4/2014 3:58 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Isn't it Vedic City where GMOs are banned, NOT Fairfield? I don't know - I didn't even think they had any grocery stores in Vedic City. Are you implying that in Vedic City you can't buy a GMO product in FF and then eat it in your own home in Vedic City? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No Effort means no need for self-reflexive monitoring
Thanks, emptybill. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Authfriend: Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're initiated. The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words that you use with your original bija mantra. Am I wrong? I have only one advanced technique, and that was the case for me. Yes, that is true. Supposedly, we only get one bija mantra. It is later used with Sanskrit words that interject certain meanings and actions – for TM they are shama akshara-s (i.e. peaceful, laudatory and surrendering seed-sounds). However, this is not true for TM teachers since, by definition, they received a well-known sequence of bija mantras used to initiate students. Most teachers appear to use this group of mantras only to initiate. However, the whole group of mantras is fully charged and available for meditation whenever used in that manner. Most TM teachers don’t like to talk about this possibility - proly because they are apprehensive about it being “off the program”. I have done so (of course) and find this collection rather too intense to use for the sake of mere curiosity. In the live-a-day world, such potency, distinctive qualities and effacing intensity is more suited to those renunciate sadhus keen to finish off their stock of prarabdha karma.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Important Community Meeting, Sunday
Richard, we are very fortunate to have Everybody's, a wonderful, locally owned health food store which supplies many locally made items, organic dessert items and soups, humuus, salsa, etc. Additionally, just a stone's throw from the women's Dome there is a health food store, Dome Market which includes a cafe upstairs with a wonderful organic buffet at lunch and dinner. Finally, the local grocery chain, HyVee has quite an extensive organic section. I think WalMart also carries some organic items like avocados. On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:14 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, they don't sell food at the food co-op? Go figure. Somebody should start a food co-op in town that people can walk to to get good, reasonably priced groceries. Do they have any good grocery stores in FF? We are living about two blocks from the Whole Foods Market now. ? On 6/4/2014 2:27 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, the Heartland Co-op is a proposed granary and fertilizer plant. Only 18 wheelers and choo choo trains will be driving to it (-: On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:05 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/4/2014 9:43 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Obama helping with global warming, as if that negates what he did viz a viz our food supply! So, they want to build a food co-op at Fairfield, but not in town, to sell GMO foods to the people, but the people will have to drive in their cars to get the GMO food? Gas prices are going way up and coal is being phased out - so how will people be able to afford gasoline to drive anywhere and heat their homes in the winter? There needs to be a long range sensible plan so that ordinary people can afford a home and eat. The rent is already too damn high. Go figure.
