[FairfieldLife] Re: On visiting FFL from The Peak
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : A nice feature over at the_Peak is that spirituality and spiritual experience can be spoken to safely in a safeguarded protected way. That has protection has been suppressed by an abusive culture of a few who in method have been allowed to run wild on FFL. Let me tell you first, that I do understand you. But in all of this, there is one point that puzzles me, and that is, that all the spiritual masters I know about, and value somehow, an example would be Anandamayi Ma, do not recommend to discuss spiritual experiences (not to speak that such a discussion is on a public forum that everybody can see). Have you never read this or come across it? It is especially not recommended, when an experience is fresh, or not yet established. I think this is also the view of the TMO, you could actually try to check with the course office, or Bevan, Hagelin or Tony, or maybe Alex's OTOH, if an experience is established, there is no real need to talk about it. If you have an experience others don't have, the may get frustrated or jealous, or compare with themselves, and well, everybody has different experiences. A sort of a competition may start, which may be subtle and not obvious, and there is usually an ego involvement. On the top of it - even worse - if you have some guy, who's had it all, and starts commenting on your experience, that it means such and such, and it's level 2, and he already knows level 11, he will create some mental framework around your experience, which is counterproductive and limiting. This is the worst I can imagine, and in the end, your own subtle experience is used for the self-aggrandizement, of some guy. The more general problem is, that the ego will try to appropriate anything for it's own sustenance. So, I therefore agree with Xeno, that FFL, is a more honest environment. If you really feel like, you can talk about experiences in more general terms, and it's actually the hallmark of a really true experience, that nothing can disturb it, and that you are not touched by negativity. If someone attacks you, and you feel that you can smile, it means you have established a fair amount of non-attachment and inner calm, everything else is likely to be delusional.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ugly HERE (heh-reh) war!
I am using HERE on my Galaxy S4, and it works like marvel, I used it for car navigation here in Europe, and also for walking in a foreign city. You can download maps for free, it's really great. The only thing, which didn't work so well, is public transport in combination with walking. There I think, they are not giving enough choices, but if you download a local map of the Underground, in combination with HERE it works well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: World's most advanced tank?
I'm sorry for that omission, but my Haj is not yet scheduled. As a substitute, here is a photo I took of St. Peter's square one month ago. I didn't have an extension for selfies, so sorry for that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You forgot to post a photo of yourself and your apprentice at Mecca in front of the Kaaba. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: World's most advanced tank?
Great image! But you see the cell phone, it's still an indication where the person stands.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This brings up an interesting question. If someone who is enlightened tries to take a selfie but no longer has a self, what happens? :-) From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: World's most advanced tank? I'm sorry for that omission, but my Haj is not yet scheduled. As a substitute, here is a photo I took of St. Peter's square one month ago. I didn't have an extension for selfies, so sorry for that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You forgot to post a photo of yourself and your apprentice at Mecca in front of the Kaaba. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mothers' Day:What if the Buddha were a bartender?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So here we have two enlightened non-selves sitting, enjoying tea, as opposed to the two unenlightened entities pictured in the video below La Paz County Sheriff Find Underwater Skeleton Tea Party https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr1Rzb_v90k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr1Rzb_v90k La Paz County Sheriff Find Underwater Skeleton Tea P... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr1Rzb_v90k The La Paz County Sheriff’s Office and Buckskin Fire Department respond to report of “found human remains” in the Colorado River On May 4, 2015, at ap... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr1Rzb_v90k Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look Aryavazhi, It's not problem if you have some inherent desire to argue. The fact that you so desperately wish to point out difference that don't exist, says a lot. Most everyone here has an interest in spiritual development. Among most here is a liberal, or libertarian bias. Culturally, there is great similiarly in what we like in terms of music and artisitic expressions. You just have a burr in your butt, because of, I don't know what, nor do I care. If you hitched your wagon to the wrong star long ago, you seem to repeating the same mistake here. Let's face it. All the negative attributes to ascribe to me, you accept in, say Barry, because you like him. But you are too I guess you weren't finished here, just interrupted your, and restart below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Here you have people, who for the most part have similar beliefs, politically, culturally, spiritually, You are dead wrong. We are not all 'similar' in our beliefs, instead everyone is actually very different - both, in experience and understanding. If you don't understand this, it indeed explains, why you are so upset. Look Aryavazhi, It's not my problem if you feel some need to be argumentative. He..? Argumentative? I thought this is a discussion board.. The fact that you so desperately need to point out differences that don't exist, says a lot. That you don't think the differences exist, says even more about you. I mean, you accuse me of being argumentative, so it seems we have a different idea about discussion boards. Generally, I find you do not respond to arguments at all. There were at least two cases a week ago, were you responded to Barry of course, to whom else, and for a moment I thought, you could give some insightful comment, about the actualy issue at stake - you know it was about the earthquake, and people thinking they could stop it by yagna or Vastu, and the like, and all you did was your usual Ad Hominem, shooting the messanger, not a single word about the actual issue. Maybe there is something of an analysis you do, but then you don't tell us about. This post here, seems to be longer than your usual posting style. Usually what you write can be called oneliners. You just split up the line after every sentence with a carriage return. I don't know who said, that we have to set every sentence in it's own paragraph. But this style is symptomatic for the missing content. That's the reason why many regard you now as a troll, all your posts are basically alike, avoid touching the issue, are Ad Hominems to Barry, avoid arguments even if you could make them. To me, most of what you write below, is just a series of platitudes, you never even try to go deeper. You are clearly out to get_Barry, that's the meme you create, a throw around with buzzwords like strawman , without ever making an attempt to explain. You are always in shallow waters, glued to the surface of things. Most everyone here has an interest in spiritual development. Gosh, what platitudes.. Sure, we go in divergent directions from there, but that is the umbrella under which we have discourse. sight what umbrella, again more platitudes. You seem to be given to platitudes, simplifications, and generalizations mainly. Among most here is a liberal, or libertarian bias. Culturally, there is great similarly in what we like in terms of music and artistic expressions. That's seems obvious to me, but perhaps not to you. No, not to me, you are right. Btw. I am not American, I am European, I have never been to the US, and there are many things over there that are strange and bewildering to my mind. If you talk of liberal or libertarian bias, we are probably understanding something very different under these terms. As it is, I have spend no time at all in America, and much time in India, were the culture is again very different, but I have much understanding of it - and I have been told so by many Indians, so I can compare. The fact of the matter is, all the negative points you call me out on, you accept, in say, Barry, because you like him, or agree with his points of view. I agree with him on the issues I point out when I agree with him. There are other issues, where I don't agree. I off and on read stuff by him, and think, yeah, he is totally right. I know him for about 10 years on-line, and what I say, is what I think. Of course, he says many things in a way, I would never say them, so I don't necessarily agree with his mode of expression, but I am at the same level with MJ. But, I look at the issues, not at the form. Barry very often spices his posts up a bit, especially towards the end, but that doesn't invalidate the points he is actually
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
Showing it around to local folks here, if they are not first prejudiced by knowing the quotations come from Mao, they generally recognize it as effective leadership that we do not have and could wish for in our own movement organization. Did you ever have the same idea about 'Mein Kampf' of Adolf Hitler? About Mao: His policies caused the deaths of tens of millions of people during his 27-year reign, more than any other Twentieth Century leader... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#Legacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#Legacy Maybe at the time of Mao it was possible to clue people together by a single book, and to mass control peoples thoughts. This time is over now, with the advent of the Internet transparency has increased so much, that it will be hard to control people in the same way. Finally, the TMO has to come to realize this too, all the TM secrets are written down in the Internet. Deal with it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On visiting FFL from The Peak
In other words, you are declaring the failure of your own group. Not that this wasn't pointed out before. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : No problem. Anyone who thinks that The Peak was started as an *exclusive* alternative to FFL, is not thinking clearly. Any time any members at The Peak want to visit over here, leave an opinion, or say anything at all, we will. This is so childish, the few of you left over here, acting like ladies in a sewing circle when someone from The Peak shows up. If you want an exclusive environment with which to bandy about your ideas, then form your own group. Until then, please keep it to yourself. It is annoying. Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: World's most advanced tank?
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/weltkriegs-parade-moskau-fotostrecke-126472-13.html I'm honored to present here a photo of Buck at the red square yesterday, I hope he is okay, that I post it here. Even though he is very busy there to distribute the little orange book - here he is seen with two apprentices - he still finds time to post on FFL. The uniform and the decoration, he found on flea markets around eastern Europe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : The TM movement has a little orange book that unifies the work of the TM revolution. We should ship a box load of the orange book, “Maharishi's Absolute Theory of Defense” over to the Soviet sociologists as help towards expanding world peace from deep within Mother Russia. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Something akin to MBA schools: “Military sociology is one of the most important fields of sociological science. It studies formation, development and functioning of the state military organization as a social institution in peacetime and wartime, its engagement with other social institutions and the society as a whole. The focuses of military sociology also include processes and relations among individuals and different communities within the very military organization as well as social aspects of wars and armed conflicts.” Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Sociology Center View on eng.mil.ru http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Preview by Yahoo Sociology Center : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Sociology Center View on eng.mil.ru http://eng.mil.ru/en/science/sociological_center.htm Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Songs and anthems of revolutionary movements are a fabulous way of looking in to the creeds of movements. I took and placed some of the essential TM CD's in to some of the better scholarly collections that are being built to preserve the sociology and give others insight in to TM as a large movement, for a scholarship to look in at TM in the future ..The Emily Levine, Rick Stanley, Mother Divine, and other CD's. I keep some of them on my iphone to play at communal gatherings for people to listen to clips as reminder of days gone by. Those sound files always trigger really interesting reflections from folks here about those times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Group cohesion. Songs and Anthems of the Soviet military.. Now that is an interesting link off the tank page. There was a point where songs and anthems disappeared from the format of our TM meetings over the years. Proly correlates from about the time in the 1990's when the meditating community really started to erode here. As a hypothesis the disappearance of song and anthems proly explains a lot in the trend-line of organizational TM. The Russian military department of sociological research ought to look in to the decline of song and anthem within TM and its organizational effectiveness as a control to their internal studies of sociology. Could possibly explain some of the apostasy exhibited on the pages of FFL by people who fell away from TM. ..Some lack of organizational cohesion. http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/audio/songs.htm http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/audio/songs.htm ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hepa7@... wrote : Advanced forward-looking military hardware, which takes part in the Victory Parade on Red Sqaure on May 9, 2015. : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/photo/gallery.htm?id=21804@cmsPhotoGallery Advanced forward-looking military hardware, which takes part in the Victory Parade on Red Sqaure o... http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/photo/gallery.htm?id=21804@cmsPhotoGallery Home For MediaContact us Site Map English РусскийEnglish Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation (Минобороны России) Multimedia MOD Photo Video Audio 3D View on eng.mil.ru http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/photo/gallery.htm?id=21804@cmsPhotoGallery Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Here you have people, who for the most part have similar beliefs, politically, culturally, spiritually, You are dead wrong. We are not all 'similar' in our beliefs, instead everyone is actually very different - both, in experience and understanding. If you don't understand this, it indeed explains, why you are so upset. Many of us have earned their changes in beliefs the hard way, some more hard, some less hard, it takes years, sometimes half of one's life to change the way we understand the world. If you could accept this, you would be ranting less, and you wouldn't find a need for continuous ad hominems, because your posts are hardly ever more. Content 0 The truth is: how can TMers ever hope to create world peace, if they cannot even understand those who once followed them? It seems you can only live peacefully with people of your own ilk. If there is some little deviation, you are immediately at war, and start to demonize your opponents. How many of you believe, that Turq. or MJ is some kind of demonic figure, who represents the evil forces that want to stop the progress of TM? Of the TB TMers, I am sure there are many. and yet after a decent interval of tolerant discourse, it has become toxic, Look at it like this: Somebodies poison is somebody else's medicine. It simply depends on your perspective. and one group blames the other for its demise. I think only you blame FFL for the demise, here people are actually happy that you left, well if you really would have left.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Srijau seems to be the very prototype of the cultist who has been told most of his life how incredibly important he and other members of his cult are to the universe, and now that he's getting old and nearing death, he's beginning to panic about it. He thinks, What if I'm *not* important? What if I'm gulp *ordinary*? Could I possibly have wasted my life? YES , YES, YES. The thing is here, Barry, that many TB TMers, will immediately filter out what you just said, as negative and therefor nonspiritual. The reason is obviously, that people in TM are not really taught about the traps of the ego in spiritual life. They are usually not aware, that 'feeling special' or 'not ordinary', is just another ego trap, that often accompany spiritual teachings. Teachers, who are aware of this trap, teach this to their students, and strip off any of the trappings of spirituality, like special clothing, spiritual titles etc. For years initiators had a special dress code, like white or creme colored suits, (after the dark blue ones), and people are addressed in a certain was, just remember the 'Knowers of reality', Governors, Sidha, Raja etc. There is no concept of ego and ego death around TM, instead, we have just recently seen an article where the author boasted that this wasn't necessary in TM, instead the 'Cosmic Ego' would be developed, and this was so much a better path, etc, again appealing to ego, really. You and I have encountered teachers who lay stress on being 'normal' and lead an 'ordinary' life, rejecting elitist thinking as one of the main ego traps in spirituality. And you always get flak for it. I am actually grateful to TM as a practice, but TMers are very naive about this issue. These thoughts are less pleasant than believing that he's the bees' knees, cosmically speaking, so he lashes out at anyone who challenges the beliefs that make him think he's important. It's the same as Nabby's old act, only even more clueless because Srijau doesn't seem to have been allowed out of the asylum to interface with the real world as often as Nabby was. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:42 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't include the previous message in your reply Not paying attention is he? He's probably refering to my remarks on this clear implication: If the quake had struck at night or the morning hours the death toll would have in fact been in the hundreds of thousands. These village homes are largely made of mud and stone with no mortar and they simply crumbled in a heartbeat. There is no way to get around it… the Himalayas is one of the most seismically active areas of the world.. In fact this earthquake moved Kathmandu about 10 feet south and raised the Valley up about 3 feet… all in one go.. (Mount Everest sank by about an inch…) So, when you consider the Laws Of Nature, it is in fact almost a miracle that the damage occurred in a relatively narrow window of the day and day of the week that could mitigate such a potential calamity. People here are very much aware of this and deeply grateful that Nature’s timing was as kind as it was.. This is not to belie the extent of the suffering and destruction.. It IS MASSIVE, but it could have been so very much worse. Now that is interesting from our perspective in that these days in Nepal there are very many Maharishi Yagyas going on… And as we all know, the TMO claims responsibility for the end of apartheid and the fall of the Berlin wall. But not officially, oh no. They aren't that stupid, stuff like this is passed around in hushed tones of awe and reverence. The secret knowing of the True Believer who also knows that the rest of the world would stand slack jawed with astonishment at the level of hubris on display should they really start to admit what they really think. I know Sri, I used to work there. From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? This is absolutely a false claim with no foundation in fact. It is absolutely typical of the kind of bold lies that are posted here, and note the dishonest argument that alludes falsely to claims about Vastu and earthquakes which were never made.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
Or he is referring to my message here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/414480 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/414480 about 'bad vastu' (message 414480) I think it was about this remark about Pashupatinath destruction, and the temple not being vastu according to Sris claims (from Google earth!!), and me making fun of it. Now he denies having ever said anything, and calls me a liar (without naming me of course), as Judy had just sanctioned that term for me. Btw, Judy always claims that she is not a TB, and yet all TBs I know around here, are very fond of her, and mimic what she says. Go figure. Funny thing is, that nobody knows what he is referring to, so he can always backpedal from his otherwise outrageous claims. He can call somebody a liar, but nobody knows even whom he means. What a lame wimp.
[FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
All Hindu temples are constructed according to vastu principles, You are right, especially temples are constructed according to Vastu, especially big and important ones like the Pashupatinath Temple, it is regarded the most important Hindu temple in Nepal. Of course it is absurd to believe that Vastu, especially orientation has anything to do with a building surviving an earthquake. But of course construction matters, as do building materials, the type of wood used etc. Pashupatinath is often regarded as one in line with the twelve jyotir lingas, who are spread all over India. Many of these jyotir Linga temples have been destroyed and rebuild again, often at slightly different locations. If you want to visit one, you will be often led by Indians to another site, where the original temple used to be. It is also said that the damage was not too heavy. But to imagine, that an Indian temple will be destroyed because of bad Vastu, one of that significance as Pashupatinath, is about the most absurd thing I ever heard. If I tell this to my Indian friends, that some people here say this, they will just shake their heads, because for a devout Hindu, the power of the God can of course never be canceled by Vastu. What an absurd idea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : All Hindu temples are constructed according to vastu principles, that's why they call them temples. The problem is not the temple construction, the problem is that Nepal is located in the Himalayas, which are the result of plate tectonics - the Himalayas ARE an earthquake. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It couldn't have been Shiva in Nepal, look his own temple was destroyed - and I am sure it was constructed according to Vastu. Non sequitur. Pashupatinath temple damages - Juna Akhara International | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Pashupatinath temple damages - Juna Akhara Int... https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Juna Akhara International posted this photo on 2015-04-26. 0 likes. 0 comments. 0 shares. View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clarity
Does he really believe it? Or is he just acting? The Scientific Basic of Yagya on Vimeo http://player.vimeo.com/video/80285553?title=0byline=0portrait=0autoplay=1 The Scientific Basic of Yagya on Vimeo http://player.vimeo.com/video/80285553?title=0byline=0portrait=0autoplay=1 Play View on player.vimeo.com http://player.vimeo.com/video/80285553?title=0byline=0portrait=0autoplay=1 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clarity
Here is a more direct link (that actually works ;-)) http://www.nationalyagya.org/videos.html#video=80285553 http://www.nationalyagya.org/videos.html#video=80285553
[FairfieldLife] Re: Micronations
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Is this where we run to and hold out after the election? Well, yes, then you can join the new European peace order with the 'German Reich' Friendship and Consular Treaty http://principality-of-sealand.eu/chronologie/dokusfrvertr/etransvertrag.html Friendship and Consular Treaty http://principality-of-sealand.eu/chronologie/dokusfrvertr/etransvertrag.html THE GERMAN REICH and THE PRINCIPALITY OF SEALAND IN RECOGNITION of their responsibility for the new peace order in Europe and in the world, View on principality-of-sealand.eu http://principality-of-sealand.eu/chronologie/dokusfrvertr/etransvertrag.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Located on the military fortress of Rough Tower, Sealand is the smallest country in international waters. The country‘s national motto is From the Sea, Freedom (E Mare Libertas), reflecting its continuing struggle for liberty through the years. Sealand has been an independent sovereign state since 1967. The Bates family governs the small state as hereditary royal rulers, each member with his own royal title. Sealand has its own constitution, composed of a preamble and seven articles. The state’s constitution deals with several matters, including its status as a constitutional monarchy. While Sealand follows its own constitution, its legal system supposedly still adheres to British common law. http://www.sealandgov.org/about http://www.sealandgov.org/about
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: .
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Good point about the group mind thang. I've always been suspicious of grown adults like Doug who seem to only feel safe and whole when they're considered part of a group. I mean, think of the historical image of the holy man as hermit, or at the very least someone who is content being alone. Someone like Doug (or the rest of the FF domegoers) who needs to be surrounded by like-minded people at all times to feel comfortable actually strikes me as the *opposite* of self realization and enlightenment. Exactly my thinking as well. The typical Sadhus are individualists, they travel alone, or maybe with a pal or two, and so was Guru Dev himself, if you think of it, mostly alone. They do formally belong to a sadhu congregation, but that doesn't mean they live in a group. They mostly move around. One more aspect for consideration: There are actually spiritual path's where the members have to act in a way that contrasts societal norms, intentionally, so that people look down on them, so that people actually think they are crazy. It is part of breaking the bonds to general society, as the whole seeking for recognition is seen as detrimental to spiritual progress. These people actually have to make fools of themselves. Also, on a similar note, remember this Roman 'Si tacuisses'? I looked it up the other day, and if you read the story behind this - it is very interesting, as it is based on the story of two men, one falsely claiming to be a philosopher (kind of sage at the time) and the other man, who saw through this ruse, wanted to disprove him by hurling vicious insults at him. The false philosopher remained silent for the most time, just until the end, but then asked the other guy 'do you see now that I am a philosopher', whereupon this man said the famous words: Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses. IOW you messed it up, and gave it away at the end. Contrast that with the silly claims of a Jim, who insists, everyone acknowledges how enlightened he is - the recommended formula is to abuse him and directly prove his hypocrisy. Same thing applies to any whiner who shows up here in the context of how spiritual they are, and are overly concerned about the supposed negativity of this group, or their own reputation or both. All this whining is born out of ego, plain and simple. Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses - Everything2.com http://everything2.com/title/Si+tacuisses%252C+philosophus+mansisses Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses - Everything2.com http://everything2.com/title/Si+tacuisses%252C+philosophus+mansisses Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses is a quote often attributed to the Latin philosopher Boethius of the late fifth and early sixth centuries. It transl... View on everything2.com http://everything2.com/title/Si+tacuisses%252C+philosophus+mansisses Preview by Yahoo From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 12:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: . You may have a look at the_leak, and you can see that Dougs posting style there is the same as here. The content may be different, but the quirky form is exactly the same. He basically uses Yahoo groups as a scrap paper, and dialogues with himself. Funny thing, that he uses a wall of words, to basically separate himself from the others, rather than connect himself. It is words and concepts, that can, as in this case, create walls between people. Having certain ideals keeps people from living in reality, and one way to do this, is to attempt to control one's own environment, according to one's own thinking. Of course this never works and will inevitably lead to conflict. As the group concept, is part of the whole structure of TM since the time of the siddhis, this is a special kind of a mental prison. I always try to keep away from this - also in other environments I come across it. And personally, I am not really interested in what is going on in Fairfield. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : the definition of bored http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bored http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bored the definition of bored http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bored Bored definition, to weary by dullness, tedious repetition, unwelcome attentions, etc.: The long speech bored me. See more. View on dictionary.reference.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bored Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
It couldn't have been Shiva in Nepal, look his own temple was destroyed - and I am sure it was constructed according to Vastu. Pashupatinath temple damages - Juna Akhara International | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Pashupatinath temple damages - Juna Akhara Int... https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Juna Akhara International posted this photo on 2015-04-26. 0 likes. 0 comments. 0 shares. View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Preview by Yahoo
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You may have a look at the_leak, and you can see that Dougs posting style there is the same as here. The content may be different, but the quirky form is exactly the same. He basically uses Yahoo groups as a scrap paper, and dialogues with himself. Funny thing, that he uses a wall of words, to basically separate himself from the others, rather than connect himself. It is words and concepts, that can, as in this case, create walls between people. Having certain ideals keeps people from living in reality, and one way to do this, is to attempt to control one's own environment, according to one's own thinking. Of course this never works and will inevitably lead to conflict. As the group concept, is part of the whole structure of TM since the time of the siddhis, this is a special kind of a mental prison. I always try to keep away from this - also in other environments I come across it. And personally, I am not really interested in what is going on in Fairfield. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : the definition of bored http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bored http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bored the definition of bored http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bored Bored definition, to weary by dullness, tedious repetition, unwelcome attentions, etc.: The long speech bored me. See more. View on dictionary.reference.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bored Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: So tired of Yahoo's motherfucking delays....
I was thinking for a while, how I could assist Buck in his endeavour, to format text, so it is easy to ready, a wall of words, ideal to search for search engines, with no unnessesary punctuation, and all capitalized, here it is, my present to you Buck! THERE IS GOOD REASON TO LACK TRUST IN COLLABORATION ON FFL AT YAHOO-GROUPS BY WHAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO BECOME A DOMINANT CULTURE OF A FEW HERE OF A FEAR OF GETTING NEEDLESSLY ENSNARED BY ANY PARTICIPATION OF PUTTING ONES THOUGHTS AND SELF FORWARD FOLKS GENERALLY ARE DENIED THE OPPORTUNITY TO THINK TOGETHER WITH GOOD PEOPLE ON FFL FOR ALL THE SNARK OF THE AD HOMINEM ATTACKIT TAKES SKILLS AND PRACTICE TO SEE DISCUSSION AS THINKING BUT IT TAKES ALLIES OF KINDNESS TO THINK TOGETHER CREATIVELY FOR THE ENGAGEMENT WITHIN A GROUP [FFL] TO BE EFFECTIVE THERE NEED BE FOLKS AND A MODERATION WILLING AND ABLE TO STAND UP TO BULLIES WHO WOULD DESTROY FORUM TO HAVE A THINKING FORUMTRUTH EVIDENTLY WON'T 'SET US FREE' UNTIL WE HAVE THE COURAGE SKILLS HABIT AND MORAL COURAGE TO KINDLY EXPLORE IT THERE EVIDENTLY ARE FEW ALLIES OF CIVIL DISCOURSE ON FFL AND RICK ARCHER IN MODERATION IS SELDOM HERE TO EVENLY PROTECT CIVIL DISCOURSE KIND THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION IS UP TO THE FOLKS LEFT HERE TO SEIZE IF IT CAN BE HAD AT ALL KIND DISCOURSE HAS BEEN 'THROWN TO THE DOGS' ON FFL TO TEAR UP BY A LACK OF MODERATION LET ALONE ANY SELF-CONTROLTHE BULLIES HAVE RUN MOST WILD HERE UNCHECKED BECAUSE NICE PEOPLE WERE NOT PROTECTED AND THOUGHTFUL FOLKS OFTEN INSIDE ARE AFRAID OF EMBROILING MEAN CONFLICT UPON THEMSELVES ENOUGH TO INVEST IN IT IN PROVOKING THE BULLYING“FOR THE RECORD I APOLOGIZE FOR NOTHING RIEN NADA NICHEVO BUPKUS I MEANT EVERYTHING I'VE EVER SAID HERE AND STAND BY IT FULLY”IN THINKING TOGETHER PEOPLE OFTEN MAY FAIL IN PROCESS OF CREATIVE THOUGHT OUT OF FEARS TO EXTEND THEMSELVES INDIVIDUALLY IN TO THE COLLECTIVE FOR FEAR OF ENGAGING WITH EVIDENTLY UNTRUSTWORTHY FOLKS ENGAGEMENT THAT MAY PROVOKE UNFRIENDLY EMBROILMENT WHICH POTENTIALLY MIGHT BE BROUGHT ON TO THEMSELVES BY STEPPING FORWARD IN CONVERSATION 'THINKING AS PROCESS' TAKES SKILLS AND PRACTICE TO SEE DISSONANCES AS THINKING AND GET GOOD AT IT TO GET BEYOND EGO AND NOT LET IT GET OUT OF CONTROL TOO MANY OF THE WRITERS IN CHARACTER WRITING HERE DERAIL CREATIVE THINKING ON FFL BY THEIR DEFAULT TO THE ASSAULT OF THE PERSONAL INVECTIVE INSTEAD OF JUST COMMENTING ON A SUBSTANCE OF THE MATERIAL BROUGHT THAT ABUSIVE CHARACTER HAS BEEN REALLY UNFORTUNATE FOR THE LARGER FFL COMMUNITYTHE CHALLENGE OF FFL AS A FORUM COMMUNITY IS TO FIND CONSTRUCTIVE WAYS OF ENGAGING WITH PEOPLE THAT TAKES KINDNESS TOLERANCE AND PATIENCE AS SKILLSETS AND PRACTICE TO BE ABLE TO THINK TOGETHER AND BE CREATIVE TO LOOK AT AND SOLVE PROBLEMS TOGETHER FFL IS A LONG WAYS FROM THAT BY A GRIP OF VICE OF SOME FOLKS WHO DOMINATE FFLCOLLABORATING IN 'DISCONFIRMATION': SEEKING DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT MODELS OF 'THINKING' IN CONSTRUCTIVE CONFLICTTHOUGHTFUL CONVERSATION SEEMS A WILLING KIND COLLABORATIVE A KIND COOPERATIVE 'PROCESS IN DISCONFIRMATION' BY CONTRAST A TRUST IN KINDNESS AS ELEMENT HAS BEEN DRIVEN OUT OF FAIRFIELDLIFE AT YAHOO-GROUPS BY A DOMINANT METHODICAL USE OF PERSONAL INVECTIVE IN THE AD HOMINEM USED AS WEAPON TO PERSONALLY HURT PEOPLE HERECOLLABORATION IN A TYPE OF LOVE IN KINDNESS TO A CREATIVE PROCESSQUITE EVIDENTLY THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATION TAKES A CIVIL KIND COLLABORATION IN SELF-CONTROL TO HAVE PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION SOME HAVE DONE THEIR POISONOUS WORK HERE WITH THE COMMUNAL WELL-SPRINGCOLLABORATION COULD MANY FOLKS DARE AT ALL TO PUBLICLY DISAGREE HERE ON FFL ANYMORE GIVEN THE LACK OF SELF-RESTRAINT IN THE CULTURE THAT REMAINS ON FFL WHAT IS MOSTLY MISSING NOW FROM THE DOMINANT FFL WRITING IS A KINDNESS TO PROCESS A LOVE ENOUGH OF COLLABORATION THAT SEEMS NECESSARY ENOUGH FOR THERE TO BE CREATIVE THINKING BETWEEN PEOPLE INSTEAD WHAT WE HAVE IS A CULTURE OF RUDENESS THAT HAS LONG INTERRUPTED THE COMMUNAL THINKING HERE AND DRIVEN PEOPLE AWAYTHE CULTURAL PLACE THAT WAS FFL SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN POISONED THE PLACE EVIDENTLY HAS DIED FOR LACK OF A WILLING COLLABORATION AS AN OXYGEN THAT COULD INCLUDE OTHER POINTS OF VIEW OTHER THAN SOME CAUSTIC CHARACTER OF DOMINANT INTERNET HATERS AND PERSONALITIES IN METHOD THE COST TO FAIRFIELDLIFE AT YAHOO-GROUPS HAS BEEN THE LOSS OF A FORUM FOR COMMUNAL THINKINGA PERVASIVE UNKINDNESS IN AD HOMINEM-ISTIC SNARK PARADING AS 'INTELLECTUAL RETORT' IT'S THE DOMINANT 'CULTURE' HERE AT FFL NOW AS THE EVIDENT LACK IN THOUGHTFUL COMMUNITY CULTURE HERE FOLKS OTHERWISE HAVE COME INSTEAD TO FEAR TO SPEND THEIR TIME THINKING HERE READING LET ALONE POSTING HERE IT IS A SAD COMMENTARY ON HOW IT HAS GONE DOWN FOR FFL MANY OF THE WRITERS LEFT HERE HAVE IN MANY WAYS BECOME THE PEOPLE THEY REVILE BULLIES LIKE THEY SEE BEVAN OR OTHERS IN THE MOVEMENT COMMUNITYSALON SALOON OR SHALOM; WHO WOULD ENTER IN TO A PLACE MET WITH THE LIKES OF “YOU SUCK” OR “FUCK YOU” AS
[FairfieldLife] Re: So tired of Yahoo's motherfucking delays....
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Joy of Google....
After this whole kerfuffle about Judith's visititation here, I almost forgot to answer this post of yours. Hmm, there is not much to say for me on this whole topic, I am not really that much convinced in the reality of all these beings, or foreign spaceships coming here, etc. And I have heard about the bicameral mind before, here, years ago, I haven't read the book, but I found the theory interesting, and read everything I could find online years back, when someone brought it up here, maybe it was even you, or somebody else, and I discussed it back then with some people, one English lady, who said, her husband is really into it - I know her husband, but never really got to discuss it with him. From what I read online, largly in the scientific community, it is disregarded. But that doesn't mean that at least aspects of the theory have a truth to it, and in that sense, as a sort of graphic description, and definitely has something. But with regard to your first sentence: Interesting. I love meditating in the woods in a mindful type of way but haven't tried focusing on the head chakra before. I shall try this for a while and see what happens. I don't want to let this opportunity pass, to encourage you in this endeavour. I should maybe look at the video again, to see, what she means by 'head chakra', because there are several chakras in the head, but if she means what is also referred to as 'crown chakra', I want to encourage you to persue it. And again, I cannot give you many tips, there is not a straight way, there are some things you could do, but the very fact, that you feel inspired to persue it, is a good sign, I think. For me, I am not exaggerating, spirituality only starts with the opening of the crown chakra. Everything else is just a preparation. Everything else means: TM or any other method of meditation. And, you also should be grounded. You should not be given to delusional thinking or ideas. But as far as I know you, there is no big danger here with you, you seem to be a very rational person, and that is a good anchor. So I won't go into details, of what you might try to do, or what some of the symptons might be, there is no straight formular, and every person is different. I just want to encourage you, and tell you that there is a whole world up there, in the head or actually 'above head' chakra (because this is the sensation you get) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Maybe you should see this one, I don't think she / they are joking. I think they are very serious about it. It's a sort of interview with her friend Arcturus Ra - (his real name is, uh, I have to look it up) Interesting. I love meditating in the woods in a mindful type of way but haven't tried focusing on the head chakra before. I shall try this for a while and see what happens. But where does the contacting of cosmic beings come from? It sounds a bit pat to say they just mistake their inner voice for something external and all the accumulated cultural junk we all have is subconsciously turned into a coherent belief system from a different perceived voice. Actually I'm pretty sure that's what happens but how does the mechanism work? Julian Jaynes wrote one of the most amazing books on the subject of mysterious inner voices, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. His idea is that humans evolved their current type of mental functioning via a different route than previously supposed, namely that we used to have minds that were split in two and hallucinated voices that we thought were our gods. Basically, until the late iron age we weren't conscious in the way we are now. If theory is true then it's a good explanation for channeling (among a great many other curious mental events), perhaps meditation can re-awaken this older type of mental functioning? I'm speculating wildly about a possible link here but the theory is fascinating, but the book is long and involved though but well worth a read anyway as it gives you new way of looking at the mind and humanity. I have no idea if he is right or wrong or maybe just partly right. Here's a short appraisal but he has much more evidence to support it, or at least evidence that doesn't contradict it: Bicameralism (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology) Bicameralism (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology) Bicameralism (the philosophy of two-chamberedness) is a hypothesis in psychology that argues that the human mind once assumed a state in which cognitive functions were divided between one part of the brain which appears to be speaking, and a second part whi... View on en.wikipedia.org
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
people away from FFL (with an average of 27 people posting to it) is just nuts. Those who had somehow managed to forget how tenous Judy's relationship with reality was during her absence has certainly been reminded of it now. In Judyworld, 8 people (Rick only posts spam) talking about inanities and how special they are in between obsessing about the terrible, horrible thugs who drove them away from FFL is a success. Whereas the often-interesting mix of conversations on FFL among over three times that number of people means that it's devolved into a smoking ruin. That's proof positive that Judy's once-sharp mind has degraded to mush during the months she's spent with her eyes glued to the screen reading every post made to FFL but feeling superior because she doesn't reply to them. As I said, that degration was foreseeable, and indicated already since at least end of 2011, during the Robin episode. I actually waited for it. Until now. Invisible, lurking in the background where no one could see her, Judy could still imagine that she was actually revered by some on FFL. But by falling into your trap, she blew that completely, and in only 9 posts. She *rendered herself a joke*. That's so sad, really. Now, because the only fans and ass-kissers she had left have all fled to The_Leak, she's got no one left here on FFL who still believes in the image she tried to create. She couldn't resist doing a drive-by, and now everyone else is laughing at her as the joke she is. When she falls for the NEXT provocation and comes back for her NEXT drive-by, everyone will know even more how much of a joke she is, and read what she writes only as a means to get to the punchline sooner. What a debacle. What a failure. Yes. It's sad really. Why didn't she make her appearance to those poor souls at the peak? You honestly have to ask this to yourself. Why didn't she honor their attempts, and stay in a forum, where everything is as she has wished? She obviously didn't answer letters of concern and appreciation, which I am sure she got, but instead makes a big declaration here, discounting all those attempts. Why? And instead reacts to the provocation of a person she dispices, moy, why? It's not logical, right? The reason is very simple: she is not really interested in anything that is going on at the_peak, she never was, she was always only interested in controversy and fighting, that's the truth. The_peak is more like facebook, share some photos be nicy nicy, and tell what you did last Saturday. They could actually just disolve it and go on facebook. The main problem Judy has, is her obsessiveness. And I think she knows this very well. In this sense, any internet forum or exchange is poison for her. And all because she couldn't stand someone pointing how how little contact she actually had with the cult she's obsessively defended as a cult apologist for over twenty years. That's the interesting thing: obviously that doesn't mean very much, because all is in the head. She had wished desparately to be in the IN, to belong to the group, and when it was pointed out, that her contact was only minimal, she was flaring up. I'm only sorry that Curtis and Vaj aren't around to see how far she's fallen, and what a laughingstock she's made of herself... And not only Curtis and Vaj, there is a legion of people, whom she was chasing away, from AMT as well as from FFL. Just to name a few: John Knapp, Joe Kellett, Sudarshan, Mike Doughney and many more. On behalf of all of them, we can now declare victory: the dragon has been slain. From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Judy hallizunates: 'aryavazhi's lies about me were not minute details, they were significant misrepresentations of my TM history, calculated to portray me as someone who knew nothing of Maharishi's teaching. He was well aware that wasn't so, but he didn't think I'd be reading the post, so he thought he was safe.' Answer: Wrong! I was well aware that you could be reading it, that you could be lurking. There was a good possibility for that, and there is always a chance to test the grounds - that's a given. Ann had told us that no fatal accident had occured, that you were well. What I wrote was, to about 65% directed to people who knew me from before here, also to give them a clue to who I am, and to 35% it was a conscious and direct provocation, to test grounds, to see if I could trick you out of your hiding place. You forgot that we pulled off this number regularely when we made you overpost, week after week. You also forgot, that with a similar post, I tricked Robin back to FFL, simply by posting a link to his Ayatollah comment, which you liked so much. I already formulated my opinion about you, triggered by some driveby invocations
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Judy *almost* managed a fairly clean exit from this place, leaving without a word of explanation and thus leaving behind a mystery. As the Romans said: Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
, horrible thugs who drove them away from FFL is a success. Whereas the often-interesting mix of conversations on FFL among over three times that number of people means that it's devolved into a smoking ruin. That's proof positive that Judy's once-sharp mind has degraded to mush during the months she's spent with her eyes glued to the screen reading every post made to FFL but feeling superior because she doesn't reply to them. As I said, that degration was foreseeable, and indicated already since at least end of 2011, during the Robin episode. I actually waited for it. Until now. Invisible, lurking in the background where no one could see her, Judy could still imagine that she was actually revered by some on FFL. But by falling into your trap, she blew that completely, and in only 9 posts. She *rendered herself a joke*. That's so sad, really. Now, because the only fans and ass-kissers she had left have all fled to The_Leak, she's got no one left here on FFL who still believes in the image she tried to create. She couldn't resist doing a drive-by, and now everyone else is laughing at her as the joke she is. When she falls for the NEXT provocation and comes back for her NEXT drive-by, everyone will know even more how much of a joke she is, and read what she writes only as a means to get to the punchline sooner. What a debacle. What a failure. Yes. It's sad really. Why didn't she make her appearance to those poor souls at the peak? You honestly have to ask this to yourself. Why didn't she honor their attempts, and stay in a forum, where everything is as she has wished? She obviously didn't answer letters of concern and appreciation, which I am sure she got, but instead makes a big declaration here, discounting all those attempts. Why? And instead reacts to the provocation of a person she dispices, moy, why? It's not logical, right? The reason is very simple: she is not really interested in anything that is going on at the_peak, she never was, she was always only interested in controversy and fighting, that's the truth. The_peak is more like facebook, share some photos be nicy nicy, and tell what you did last Saturday. They could actually just disolve it and go on facebook. The main problem Judy has, is her obsessiveness. And I think she knows this very well. In this sense, any internet forum or exchange is poison for her. And all because she couldn't stand someone pointing how how little contact she actually had with the cult she's obsessively defended as a cult apologist for over twenty years. That's the interesting thing: obviously that doesn't mean very much, because all is in the head. She had wished desparately to be in the IN, to belong to the group, and when it was pointed out, that her contact was only minimal, she was flaring up. I'm only sorry that Curtis and Vaj aren't around to see how far she's fallen, and what a laughingstock she's made of herself... And not only Curtis and Vaj, there is a legion of people, whom she was chasing away, from AMT as well as from FFL. Just to name a few: John Knapp, Joe Kellett, Sudarshan, Mike Doughney and many more. On behalf of all of them, we can now declare victory: the dragon has been slain. From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Judy hallizunates: 'aryavazhi's lies about me were not minute details, they were significant misrepresentations of my TM history, calculated to portray me as someone who knew nothing of Maharishi's teaching. He was well aware that wasn't so, but he didn't think I'd be reading the post, so he thought he was safe.' Answer: Wrong! I was well aware that you could be reading it, that you could be lurking. There was a good possibility for that, and there is always a chance to test the grounds - that's a given. Ann had told us that no fatal accident had occured, that you were well. What I wrote was, to about 65% directed to people who knew me from before here, also to give them a clue to who I am, and to 35% it was a conscious and direct provocation, to test grounds, to see if I could trick you out of your hiding place. You forgot that we pulled off this number regularely when we made you overpost, week after week. You also forgot, that with a similar post, I tricked Robin back to FFL, simply by posting a link to his Ayatollah comment, which you liked so much. I already formulated my opinion about you, triggered by some driveby invocations from peaksters, in a post two days before, but somehow this didn't got sent. So I made a new attempt and embedded it in another larger post. Obviously that worked. And what I wrote to Buck was 100% honest and true. Yes, I employed sarcasm and satire, yes I was provocative. But I didn't think there were people so stupid not to recognize it. You surely
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Judy hallizunates: 'aryavazhi's lies about me were not minute details, they were significant misrepresentations of my TM history, calculated to portray me as someone who knew nothing of Maharishi's teaching. He was well aware that wasn't so, but he didn't think I'd be reading the post, so he thought he was safe.' Answer: Wrong! I was well aware that you could be reading it, that you could be lurking. There was a good possibility for that, and there is always a chance to test the grounds - that's a given. Ann had told us that no fatal accident had occured, that you were well. What I wrote was, to about 65% directed to people who knew me from before here, also to give them a clue to who I am, and to 35% it was a conscious and direct provocation, to test grounds, to see if I could trick you out of your hiding place. You forgot that we pulled off this number regularely when we made you overpost, week after week. You also forgot, that with a similar post, I tricked Robin back to FFL, simply by posting a link to his Ayatollah comment, which you liked so much. I already formulated my opinion about you, triggered by some driveby invocations from peaksters, in a post two days before, but somehow this didn't got sent. So I made a new attempt and embedded it in another larger post. Obviously that worked. And what I wrote to Buck was 100% honest and true. Yes, I employed sarcasm and satire, yes I was provocative. But I didn't think there were people so stupid not to recognize it. You surely remember your own unspontaneous and pathetic attempts at satire in collaboration with Robin.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Aryavazhi, “Honestly”? Apologizing for ? To who? I don't feel this is an apology I could take across lines over to our former colleagues in forum at The_Peak. And it wasn't meant to be taken accross to them, I didn't mention the_peak nor did I mentions you as a messenger. Just FYI, I wasn't present when the_peak split off, so I don't think anybody expects an apology. Regarding that other issue, you mentioned, well it is embarrassing.. I will explain it to you, just to you, not any other ill-willing people out there. It's embarrassing, because people are supposed to get it. It's like with jokes: the moment you have to explain a joke, that moment it isn't a joke anymore. FFL has had it's own history of satirical comments, which employs irony, sarcasm etc. In satire words and sentences are not to be taken literarly, they are usually strongly exaggerated, in order to make a point clear, the language is sketchy, not exact, but is meant to get to the heart of the matter. Usually, in satire, there are some clues, through which you could detect it as such. For example, if I say that someone visted one and a half courses in his life, it is obvious at first sight, that there are no 'half courses', so even Judy in her mad replic asked, what does that mean? Well, what could it mean? It's clear there was a clue here right at the start of my ironical / satirical interception. If you wanted a literal translation of this sentence, then 1 and 1/2 courses meant, little more than one, or just very many. In other words: A very insignificant exposure to the movement teachings, the people in the movement, movement places, always in comparision to those, who had a more significant exposure, who spent many years, day after day, without interruption in a movement environment, who met Maharishi and many other movement luminaries, who have been privy to the inside story of things. It is clear to them, clear to everybody, even Judy, that this is the case. There is no discussion about it. Contrast that with many people here, who for many years were engaged, like Barry 1, who was a national administrator, or myself, who spent more than 10 years continously in the inside movement. While she spent all this time, more than 10 years continously hanging around this and other internet forums. Yes, she did more than 1 1/2 courses, after all she did the sidhis, she made an short (!) SCI course, wow, she even got a Chopra technique! And the advanced techniques: she got one, but for years hasn't got one, and I made this joke, that she didn't do so , because she is afraid of speaking her mantra aloud! Now that has a very real basis, as she explained it here in discussions earlier, I think Lawson was involved at the time, that her mantra go so, so, so subtle, that it even hurts her, if she would see it in print. How could you not get ironic about that! Guru Dev used to worship a Shri Yantra which had all the mantras, including all TM mantras inscribed in devanagari. But enough of this, it was meant to be clear, and people get it, or don't get it. Also, I am not here to build up a recognition. The people I admire most in my life, spiritually speaking, have a strong sense of detachment (or non-attachment), and desinterest for personal recognition. This is IMO spiritual 101. So if people choose to thing bad of me, think I am a thuggie or liar, it's their calling. It's okay, their choice, I have nothing to do with it. So back to my 'apology' above. It was also in form and partly a mock apology, of course. And it had nothing to do with you and the peaksters, except that I made fun for this 'call for an apology'. But directed toward some other people here, I mentioned Alex in the post, but of course it was also directed to the two Barries, and anyone else, who felt that the absense of Judy, and the exodus of the peaksters was an improvement on FFL, so indeed, I felt sorry for them, as I had brought about a situation, seemingly at least, which was already overcome. With regard to Judy: we are all human beings, and we all make mistakes, so as a human being, I wish her well, and a long life, and good health. I certainly do not for a moment wish the misfortune of a human being. But as to the persona Judy here online on FFL, she is already dead to me, she has died, when she took leave and when I found that out after some time. And she won't come back to life for me any moment, here whole bizzare and absurd performance here, was more like if somebody forgot to switch off an old record, which was somehow on autoloop. Aryavazhi writes: I honestly want to apologize to anyone on this message board, as well as any others who need to lurk here, for having invoked her presence in a way she found irresistable. I am weighing this offer of yours against your recent indictment here. See: FFL post # 413933
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joy of Google....
Maybe you should see this one, I don't think she / they are joking. I think they are very serious about it. It's a sort of interview with her friend Arcturus Ra - (his real name is, uh, I have to look it up) Being in Your Heart with Arcturus RA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPVm29n4tcs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPVm29n4tcs Being in Your Heart with Arcturus RA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPVm29n4tcs About living in the strongest chakra, the heart chakra incl. clearing the mind, the inner child, giving space, manifesting better partnerships, tough decisio... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPVm29n4tcs Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joy of Google....
Here is some more, from a different person Arcturian Channeling Explained + Cannabis + Honesty Rules! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ncNSART2Zcfeature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ncNSART2Zcfeature=youtu.be Arcturian Channeling Explained + Cannabis + H... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ncNSART2Zcfeature=youtu.be Book a reading or coaching session: http://www.christinamartine.com/services Blog: http://www.christinamartine.com Download my free e-book: http://christ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ncNSART2Zcfeature=youtu.be Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: So tired of Yahoo's motherfucking delays....
And since some people over there seem to have a problem remembering or pronouncing my handle: It is a made up term, but it is derived from the Tamil Ayyavazhi, which is the name of a small religious movement there, I just changed one letter. Here is the pronounciation of the original word Pronunciation of ayyavazhi - how to pronounce ayyavazhi correctly. http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=ayyavazhi Pronunciation of ayyavazhi - how to pronounce ayyavazhi correctly. http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=ayyavazhi A free online Talking English Pronunciation Dictionary - simply mouseover/tap your entry to hear it pronounced. American and British spellings, with alternative pronunciations. Sounds are fast, clear and completely natural, pre-recorded by native speakers. Answers the q... View on www.howjsay.com http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=ayyavazhi Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joy of Google....
I know her, as I have seen half a video of her with this other guy Arcturus Ra. You remember I send this video here in one message? If you clicked on it, google thinks you are interested. It's an interesting scene, isn't it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Amazingly, this one's even better: Orion Council March 22 2015 Elohim QnA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yad7wdDnNjU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yad7wdDnNjU Orion Council March 22 2015 Elohim QnA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yad7wdDnNjU The Orion Council gives a monthly message with information on taking multidimensional form and Qna with the Elohim on familial boundaries, choosin... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yad7wdDnNjU Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This is funny. For some reason this was considered worth my attention in my Youtube feed. Can't think what I might have been watching for them to include this guff but it's great fun. You may think it's a joke - and maybe it is - but the commenters are sure carrying it on. Orion Council Channeled Message April 14 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9VV6cGWaBw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9VV6cGWaBw Orion Council Channeled Message April 14 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9VV6cGWaBw Orion Council channeled message on: dealing with lower vibrational people; weed addiction; African women in the west, dealing with “white” environments; How ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9VV6cGWaBw Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I honestly want to apologize to anyone on this message board, as well as any others who need to lurk here, for having invoked her presence in a way she found irresistable. I was playing with the fire. I should have known better. I will bear the responsibility for this with all consequences ( that is said into the direction of Alex)... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, it's like a contest now to see who can get Judy to post ONE MORE TIME. She doesn't need any encouragement, she could never help herself. By the end of the week you won;t be able to log on with seeing a list of authfriend posts that start with Note that Barry says... Which I always thought was damn considerate of her because it means I didn't have to open them and read them once I'd got the hang of what was going on. She should hook up with the same therapist that Lawson's been seeing, nowadays he can somehow restrain himself from posting 5 times a minute at every hook we dangle in front of him. That's evolution for you...shame that Willytex has yet to crawl from the proto-slime of insanity that he's in but we ignore all of his posts so no consideration of what they might contain is necessary.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joy of Google....
The most interesting part for me is that techno-savvy kids from an age as advanced as ours clearly take this sort of thing seriously. Is it a religion for our new age? Yes, of course. Do the Galactic Council of Orion take the place of angels in people wanting to have a reassuring voice to talk to in an age of increasing chaos? Yes, I think so, they take the place of angels. Or astral beings, or whatever you like to call them. There are the good guys and the bad guys. It's a development, which already started with the theosophs I think, who wanted to start a new unified religion, incorporating many ideas from the east, from Buddhism and Hinduism, mixing it with the more modern ideas of evolution, root-races, (also an outcome of Darwinism), and whatever was known about astrology at the time. They had the 'ascended masters', all this mixed with popular culture, UFO myth etc. I remember, when everyone in my environment read a book called 'Starseed transmission', it was a channeled book, I also read it and even liked it. I don't even remember anymore what it said, but it was all glad in the language of some higher extraterrestial beings, who took good care of planet earth, and was basically saying things very similar to TM think - be just having come out of it - speaking of global transformation, and an evolution of consciousness - in the most general terms you might think of. In the beginning of the 90ies, channeling was all the vogue. But you could have looked at it also as a way of dressing up old knowledge / theories in a new way. Obviously this whole starseed movement went much further then, from those more general approaches, by suggesting to people that, if they were just interested into this kind of thing, it would be very likely they are ET's themselves, making questionaries to determine if your home is really somewhere else. Some of these people, you just saw the video of, sound more like reborn Christians. And yes, the lady channeling beings from the 'Orion', also started by doing 'Transmission meditation', you know this from Nabby, and that was started by a retro theosoph Benjamin Creme, ask Nabby.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vasanas. -Satan's Submarines!
Lighten up... The Beatles - Yellow Submarine (High Definition) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laRyswIO_-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laRyswIO_-g The Beatles - Yellow Submarine (High Definition) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laRyswIO_-g In the town where i was born lived a man who sailed to sea and he told us of his life in the land of submarines so we sailed up to the sun till we found a se... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laRyswIO_-g Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Scroll over the card. I got to have one of these cards! Lockhart, Texas 1950•Satan's Submarines•Pride•Hypocrisy•Unbelief•Photo POSTCARD http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lockhart-Texas-1950-Satans-Submarines-Pride-Hypocrisy-Unbelief-Photo-POSTCARD-/151346024339 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lockhart-Texas-1950-Satans-Submarines-Pride-Hypocrisy-Unbelief-Photo-POSTCARD-/151346024339 Lockhart, Texas 1950•Satan's Submarines•Pride•Hypocr... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lockhart-Texas-1950-Satans-Submarines-Pride-Hypocrisy-Unbelief-Photo-POSTCARD-/151346024339 US $16.99 in Collectibles, Photographic Images, Contemporary (1940-Now) View on www.ebay.com http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lockhart-Texas-1950-Satans-Submarines-Pride-Hypocrisy-Unbelief-Photo-POSTCARD-/151346024339 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: 10 reasons why Judy quit FFL and why she returned
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : She injured both arms, now she got voice recognition software. Her eyesight got really bad, and she had to wait so long for an operation. Writing on FFL upset her so much, so the doctor told her to stop. She converted to Catholizism and stopped TM. She got a job. She had a near-death experience, but has been revived. Barry bribed her to leave, but he didn't pay the last check. The most important letter on her keyboard, the L, (to write liar) broke, now she found she can substitute it with a 1. She had an apparition of Maharishi / Guru Dev /Jesus / Robin /.., who told her to stop FFL Your call...
[FairfieldLife] 8 reasons why Judy quit FFL and why she returned
She injured both arms, now she got voice recognition software. Her eyesight got really bad, and she had to wait so long for an operation. Writing on FFL upset her so much, so the doctor told her to stop. She converted to Catholizism and stopped TM. She got a job. She had a near-death experience, but has been revived. Barry bribed her to leave, but he didn't pay the last check. The most important letter on her keyboard, the L, (to write liar) broke, now she found she can substitute it with a 1.
[FairfieldLife] The True Reason Why Judy Left FFL
[FairfieldLife] The True Reason why Judy left FFL
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Judy Stein, Editor From Beyond The Grave. Some things never change. :-) From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count aryavazhi wrote, in part: ...Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life, I don't really know what 1 1/2 TM courses could mean, but for the record, I took the basic TM course, the TM-Sidhis course, the mini-SCI course, a self-pulse-reading course, and a couple of dozen residence courses and WPAs (some week-long). I've mentioned them all here at one time or another. refusing to get even advanced techniques because she was afraid of telling her mantra aloud, This is pure made-up malicious bullshit. I have an advanced technique and would have gotten more if I'd had the extra cash at the appropriate times. never having seen Maharishi herself, but playing the game of being the most faithful for years, I haven't played any games here, and I'm obviously not the most faithful; I have said many times that I loathe the movement and have criticized elements of Maharishi's teaching and of his personal life. until a Robin came, who, with a schizophrenic combination of faithful TMer and anti-Hindu cleric, He wasn't schizophrenic, he was rabidly anti-TM (not sure what anti-Hindu cleric means). just blew her away like nothing? And the going on defending Robin and TM? Robin was the target of many attacks, most of them unfair and many of them malicious. As his friend, I defended him. I've done likewise with TM. So what? And who misses her? Quite a few, judging by my email. Those whome she abused most, Buck and Willy, what a show I've criticized both of them on occasion but nowhere near as often as I have some others here (including yourself). I did a search, and Buck has hardly mentioned me since I stopped posting. Willytex invokes me frequently, not because he misses me but in the hope of annoying those I've criticized in the past. BFD. A fine show of dishonesty and malice, aryavazhi. So spiritual. Barry and his acolytes can relax, BTW. I have no intention of starting to post regularly again. I've peeked in now and then to see what was happening; I haven't bothered to correct Barry's lies about me because you all know that's just what he does. But you may not know aryavazhi is a liar as well, so I thought I should make that clear. If he responds to this, it will almost certainly be with more lies. Judy P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had nothing to do with FFL per se.
[FairfieldLife] Spooky Spock
I'm sure Lawson has facts and figures to hand about this and if not, why not? Why evade the big questions? I think we should organise a conference between spiritual groups like the TMO and Scientology to discuss the matter. Russell Brand can host, John Hagelin can point out the connection between Xenu and the unified field and everyone else can sit there and look embarrassed. Haha, great. Here is a video for your entertainment let's call it spooky spock. Now we are not talking about implants, but about walk-ins and crawl-ins. I think they all adopt the term 'unified field' and 'quantum mechanics' all too easily. Xenu fits in right there. STAR TREK : In memory of SPOCK !!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPPg7roUQbY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPPg7roUQbY STAR TREK : In memory of SPOCK !!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPPg7roUQbY This is all me channel,art and stores. Enjoy. Google Community : The Azenders http://www.ra-key.com http://www.arcturiancouncil.com http:/... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPPg7roUQbY Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
. Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life, refusing to get even advanced techniques because she was afraid of telling her mantra aloud, never having seen Maharishi herself, but playing the game of being the most faithful for years, until a Robin came, who, with a schizophrenic combination of faithful TMer and anti-Hindu cleric, just blew her away like nothing? And the going on defending Robin and TM? And who misses her? Those whome she abused most, Buck and Willy, what a show. Okay, sorry, I got sidetracked. Maharishi himself was always aware of tricking people. He said, there are two type of teeth an elephant has, two to show, and two to chew. He also is famous for saying that the wise should not confuse the ignorant. He further said that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness, and that the truth of one level, is a lie on the next higher level. Many in the TM movement know this, at least TM teachers should know this, but they nevertheless hardly ever question there previous believes and assumptions. It seems to me, that Maharishi, by simplifying and promoting TM, sacrificed a lot of knowledge on the altar of commercialization and promotion of TM. Why did he never update people, of what was just a convenient theory to keep people engaged and going? Many people in the movement, TM teachers and Purushas know this, and they apologize it as a necessary means, which Maharishi had to employ. But they will still believe that their task is special in bring world consciousness forward, they are still 'hooked'. For example, Maharishi used to say, that J. Krishnamurti was in unity consciousness, he even said, 'he fell too deep into unity' ( what is too deep?). Now some people in Fairfield, like Buck, are open enough, to see other saints or healers passing through, like Ammachi, Karunamayi etc. Would they also go and see J. Krishnamurti if he would be still alive? Or UG Krishnamurti? They may do so, but they still, essentially stay hooked up to the community and TM thought. They may see any number of saints or healers, but they are unable to leave the community and basic TM thinking. If anyone would argue with JK, Maharishi would say, that this can only be understood in Unity, and that it is only a description, not a valid means. Same he would say with regard to Bhakti yoga: He said the Bhagavatam only makes sense in the state of GC or UC. In this way he would delegate spiritual knowledge, that might be competing with the TM theories into a kind of box, into the future. From TMers you would typically hear: but do they transcend? But they forget, that they have defined transcendence in a rather rigid and technical way, geared toward the TM instructions. And remember, this is the basics. Here, to conclude my little sermon, a quote from the Upanishads: 10. Verily in the beginning this was Brahman, that Brahman knew (its) Self only, saying, 'I am Brahman.' From it all this sprang. Thus, whatever Deva was awakened (so as to know Brahman), he indeed became that (Brahman); and the same with Rishis and men. The Rishivamadeva saw and understood it, singing,'I was Manu (moon), I was the sun.' Therefore now also he who thus knows that he is Brahman, becomes all this, and even the Devas cannot prevent it, for he himself is their Self. Now if a man worships another deity, thinking the deity is one and he another, he does not know. He is like a beast for the Devas. For verily, as many beasts nourish a man, thus does every man nourish the Devas. If only one beast is taken away, it is not pleasant; how much more when many are taken! Therefore it is not pleasant to the Devas that men should know this. Brihadaranyaka Upanishad I. iv. 10 From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Judy seems cagey about why she doesn't post anymore though. I think she either converted to Catholicism and is too embarrased to talk about it, Haha, I had similar phantasies, that she hang out with Robin, creating the Robin / Judy retro cult..or joining ISIS as a black widow. or she read one of those facebook epiphanies about not wasting your life on trivia and do something positive instead. Not very likely, because she was told the same here innumeral times, even by me, when we were still on good terms, but no chance of an insight. Anyway, I am glad she is alive and seems well, and is even able to emulate her old self. I wish her the best but not here on FFL. And she should do what the doctors say.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: sanskrit fever
I saw this on FB too. What's written on page 14 then? http://epaper.mailtoday.in/480079/mt/Mail-Today-April-15-2015#page/1/1 http://epaper.mailtoday.in/480079/mt/Mail-Today-April-15-2015#page/1/1 http://epaper.mailtoday.in/480079/mt/Mail-Today-April-15-2015#page/14/1 http://epaper.mailtoday.in/480079/mt/Mail-Today-April-15-2015#page/14/1 MAIL TODAY http://epaper.mailtoday.in/480079/mt/Mail-Today-April-15-2015#page/15/1 http://epaper.mailtoday.in/480079/mt/Mail-Today-April-15-2015#page/15/1 MAIL TODAY http://epaper.mailtoday.in/480079/mt/Mail-Today-April-15-2015#page/15/1 MAIL TODAY is a compact morning daily. It marries the credibility and authenticity of the India Today Group with the international standards of Daily Mail of... View on epaper.mailtoday.in http://epaper.mailtoday.in/480079/mt/Mail-Today-April-15-2015#page/15/1 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Sukta – Maharishi Vedic Pandits full audi o
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Why is it that going to TM movement sites often gunks my computer's working, to the point of having to shutdown and re-start? I rarely have problems like that otherwise. You could just go to the youtube site directly, it's the same tape/slideshow.regarding TMO websites you might complain with Galaxy Ninja http://www.galaxyninja.com/ http://www.galaxyninja.com/ for all the ajax they stuff into these pages. . Shri Sukta - Maharishi Vedic Pandits full audio HD (720p) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDpOi2dwo_4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDpOi2dwo_4 Shri Sukta - Maharishi Vedic Pandits full audio HD (720p... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDpOi2dwo_4 This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDpOi2dwo_4 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : This is wonderful!!! Here’s the link: http://www.maharishiindiacourses.com/shri-sukta-maharishi-vedic-pandits-full-audio/ http://www.maharishiindiacourses.com/shri-sukta-maharishi-vedic-pandits-full-audio/
[FairfieldLife] The last tower
Vlodrop is changing it's shape, the last tower came down yesterday. I have lived in this building once, but I don't have nostalgic feelings about it. IMHO the laws trying to preserve old buildings are overdoing it in Europe. We have lots of old buildings, and not everything is worth of being preserved. The new layout looks a little bit like a home for assited living ;-) https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718set=vb.651293717; https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718set=vb.651293717; Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living An assisted living residence or assisted living facility (ALF) is a housing facility for people with disabilities. These facilities provide supervision or assistance with activities of daily living (ADLs); coordination of services by outside health care providers; and monitoring o... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The last tower
Same is true in Germany. For example, if you have a building classified as historic, you cannot just exchange the old rodden window frames with modern look-alike plastic ones, no, they have to be expensive wooden ones, and if the frame was tiled, it has to be tiled again. Same is true for surrounding areas, if there was a garden, you have to keep it in the same shape, you are obliged to, as it was before. They will compare the air-views from now to the 1950ies for that. So either you do it that way, or you don't do it at all. With regard to Vlodrop, the building wasn't beautiful inside at all. The rooma in the first and 2nd floor where overly high, almost class-rooms, hard to heat in the winter.The old chapell, where we did the flying for some time, had nice mosaic windows, and some of the inner courtyards looked nice. The best didn't change at all, and that is the large forrest surrounding it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The laws are *incredibly* strict about historical buildings here, and do not leave room for exceptions. I have learned this because I'm looking for houses to purchase right now, and learning that one has to be careful to make sure they're *not* classified as a monument. That status can mean that you can't even replace the *windows* in your building, much less change its exterior or tear it down. So it's bribery, pure and simple. The only way someone could have gotten permission to do what the TMO did is to pay one or more important local officials a LOT of money so that they would look the other way and pretend not to have seen the demolition take place until after it was over. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The last tower Plausible. Or, they may have offered teh entire government a sweetheart financial deal that trumped the traditional attitude... Or both. AT least the TM organization can be said to put its money where its vastu mouth is... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Having lived in the Netherlands for a few years now, and having dealt with its fanaticism about protected buildings and national monuments and preventing people from tearing them down or changing the exteriors of them, there is only one thing that explains why the TMO was able to do this -- BRIBES. And big ones, too. Someone in the local Gemente is now a millionnaire thanks to TMO bribery. That's the only way something like this could happen in the Netherlands. From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 10:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The last tower Vlodrop is changing it's shape, the last tower came down yesterday. I have lived in this building once, but I don't have nostalgic feelings about it. IMHO the laws trying to preserve old buildings are overdoing it in Europe. We have lots of old buildings, and not everything is worth of being preserved. The new layout looks a little bit like a home for assited living ;-) https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718set=vb.651293717; https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153168034558718set=vb.651293717; Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Assisted living - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living An assisted living residence or assisted living facility (ALF) is a housing facility for people with disabilities. These facilities provide supervision or assistance with activities of daily living (ADLs); coordination of services by outside health care providers; and monitoring o... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_living Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oaxaca, Mexico: Inauguration of new multi-purpose (vastu flying hall) classroom
Is this where Don Juan meets TM? Looks as if my old dreams come true..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Russell Brand mad enough to crash a plane into a mountain?
Hi Sera, most points agreed. I just got carried away a bit, because I found, whatever little bits we saw in Russels piece from Fauxnews so outrageous, that I couldn't believe there is a serious audience for it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Sera, are you trying to say, that two evils cancel each other out?: No. I'm avoiding that cliche. But to avoid being taken in by bias it is an excellent prophylactic to read a variety of sources with opposed takes on life. There are certain takes that doubtless aren't worth wasting time on - Holocaust deniers, flat-earthers and creationists, say - but most journalists preach to the converted, those who share similar worldviews to themselves. There are precious few writers with integrity. George Orwell is the gold standard. Everybody respects Orwell regardless of whether they are on the left or the right. The key was his commitment to truth and basic decency. If you ditch truth and regard persuasion as your priority, or if you ditch decency and regard power as your goal, you'll end up penning intellectual poison. The antidote is then to read a biased writer on the opposite end of the spectrum. I just wish there were more Orwells around! There's always a place for out-and-out polemicists with a satirical streak (maybe Ann Coulter versus Michael Moore? I haven't got much time for either of them to be honest). But you know where you are with them and can simply enjoy the ride. I'm at a disadvantage here as I've never had the pleasure of watching Fox News. From what I've heard it doesn't sound like I'm going to become a fan. I'll take a look later at the documentary posted by Bhairitu, OutFoxed! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sera, are you trying to say, that two evils cancel each other out? No, you don't, do you? I can't imagine any other convoluted sh*t of propaganda piece as this one, and you don't want to even compare it to upright journalism, which does exist. Russel is completely right to get outraged at this. The guy who committed this mass murder 'extended' suicide, actually had his house only about 30 kms from my place, I could have passed him by with the car easily. And he was seriously sick, pipolar as it seems. This happens. He went to see many doctors and wasn't poor by any means. He simply was mentally sick, not religious, not islamic. He had issues with his girl friend and issues with his career. We have non-stop TV coverage here, but I have never seen such a piece of sh*t as this one from Fox News, that there are even half way sane people who see this is unimaginable. The thing is, I always get twitchy when people attack one particular organisation (not that I've ever seen Fox News). It's as if they imagine that their own preferred source of propaganda is reliable and objective. Well, it isn't. Here in the UK I always read The Spectator mag (right-wing) and The New Statesman mag (left-wing) every week. That way both hemispheres of my brain are balanced out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Russell Brand mad enough to crash a plane into a mountain?
Sera, are you trying to say, that two evils cancel each other out? No, you don't, do you? I can't imagine any other convoluted sh*t of propaganda piece as this one, and you don't want to even compare it to upright journalism, which does exist. Russel is completely right to get outraged at this. The guy who committed this mass murder 'extended' suicide, actually had his house only about 30 kms from my place, I could have passed him by with the car easily. And he was seriously sick, pipolar as it seems. This happens. He went to see many doctors and wasn't poor by any means. He simply was mentally sick, not religious, not islamic. He had issues with his girl friend and issues with his career. We have non-stop TV coverage here, but I have never seen such a piece of sh*t as this one from Fox News, that there are even half way sane people who see this is unimaginable. The thing is, I always get twitchy when people attack one particular organisation (not that I've ever seen Fox News). It's as if they imagine that their own preferred source of propaganda is reliable and objective. Well, it isn't. Here in the UK I always read The Spectator mag (right-wing) and The New Statesman mag (left-wing) every week. That way both hemispheres of my brain are balanced out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notes from a viewing of Going Clear
Tex, are you talking about yourself here? You haven't been to any still populated movement place within decades, or any place where Maharishi stayed, or have you seen the Raja, or what? And Judy, Judy? I think she was on a weekend course once, and the closest she came to Maharishi was seeing one of his governors. Go figure, and send us the latest walmart photos near you! So, as far as informants, they suck, big time, because they are no longer insiders. Obviously these old guys have not been on a spiritual path for decades. I wouldn't believe anything they say now, after they lied to us for all those years. Where is Judy when we need her? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's house?
Yep, But these satelite photos are a bit dated. (The end if this video could be by Leni Riefenstahl) https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153114497608718 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153114497608718
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's house?
'In my reply to aryavazhi I was referencing the general vibe about being around Maharishi in a place like Seelisberg or Vlodrop, not the vibe of the physical places. Weird shit goes down when cultists are in close proximity to the leader of their cult. The Scientology weird shit reminded me of related-but-different weird shit I experienced when around Maharishi.' I stayed in both places, but it's a long time ago. When I was in Vlodrop, Maharishi wasn't really there, but only came for visits, during the last one I hardly saw him, as I was working through the night, to finish some jobs. Seelisberg is even longer time past, and yes, I have some nice memories, Seelisberg is after all quite a scenic place, but I never was really feeling attached to the place, like some other's I know. Partly I didn't like the Foehn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foehn_wind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foehn_wind which is prevelant in the alps. There was another movement place in Germany I felt attached to at a time, where I had stayed longest, but that left me, when we all moved to Holland at the time - Holland, rainy all the time, and completely flat, no see where we were. Lot's of forrests though, and lot's of wild pigs. I have more vivid memories of a bus ride to The Hague, where my chakras opened up, completely out of the blue really. It was strange though, when I approached that place again with my car, going down the small lane that leads up to Station 24. Sort of alienating, I didn't feel I have a connection there anymore. But then meeting an old friend is another story. This friend was just being nice and helpfull, and we have some common experience in the past, so I really appreciated that. the whole place was basically empty when I revisted, and that was just good that way. So, no, I didn't feel any vibes catching on to me. Neither anger, nor nostalgia or anything.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM reloaded
I heard that black colored leather coats, and cat-suits for ladies, are the only real protections against penetrating evil electro-magnetic waves, not white as Pana Wave erroneously tought. The TM movements upper class would be well advised to abandon their supremist white/creme uniforms in favor of this stylish leather suits of Neo, Trinity and Morpheus. Wouldn't that be cool? (Okay, Tony Nader looks here like a catholic priest.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Spring Sale! !Black is in fashion! Expect to see crème colored suits show up at the Bargain Box on the price marked-down racks this month! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Timeline Photos - Chi-Ting Apocalypse | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ChiTingApocalypse/photos/a.537209209648184.1073741828.531974113505027/807430292626073/?type=1theater https://www.facebook.com/ChiTingApocalypse/photos/a.537209209648184.1073741828.531974113505027/807430292626073/?type=1theater Timeline Photos - Chi-Ting Apocalypse | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ChiTingApocalypse/photos/a.537209209648184.1073741828.531974113505027/807430292626073/?type=1theater It's Da King of TM™, the Rockin' Raja himself - Maharaja Adhiraj Raja Ram - formerly known as plain ol' Tony Nader (official successor of Maharishi of. View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/ChiTingApocalypse/photos/a.537209209648184.1073741828.531974113505027/807430292626073/?type=1theater Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] TM reloaded
Timeline Photos - Chi-Ting Apocalypse | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ChiTingApocalypse/photos/a.537209209648184.1073741828.531974113505027/807430292626073/?type=1theater https://www.facebook.com/ChiTingApocalypse/photos/a.537209209648184.1073741828.531974113505027/807430292626073/?type=1theater Timeline Photos - Chi-Ting Apocalypse | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ChiTingApocalypse/photos/a.537209209648184.1073741828.531974113505027/807430292626073/?type=1theater It's Da King of TM™, the Rockin' Raja himself - Maharaja Adhiraj Raja Ram - formerly known as plain ol' Tony Nader (official successor of Maharishi of. View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/ChiTingApocalypse/photos/a.537209209648184.1073741828.531974113505027/807430292626073/?type=1theater Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..
Yep. Here is a photo from better times, when Swami Muktananda and Maharishi met in the conference hall in Seelisberg, and Muktananda had 30 of his devotees with him, singing and swinging to 'Om namah Shivaya'. But after that event, when Muktananda claimed in his book, that Maharishi had approved of his system, and some of Maharishis devotees changed camp, a purge set in in Seelisberg, with people having to hand in books and tapes of the Swami. Who says, that Maharaja meeting Swami Ramdev, might not be see as an approval of his system of Ayurveda, and people might feel like ordering his products in the online shop. Or they might have yagyas done by the Amritapuri Ashram instead of the Maharishi pundits . Haven't they all just advocated the same 'vedic India'? Or is someone's India more vedic than the other? What's the deal?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Good thing MMY didn't have this idea
But he's got a cute black shirt and likes to ride motor bikes.
[FairfieldLife] Yoga as a brand
Government not spending money for promotion of Vedas: Baba Ramdev | Latest News Updates at Daily News Analysis http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-government-not-spending-money-for-promotion-of-vedas-baba-ramdev-2063220 http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-government-not-spending-money-for-promotion-of-vedas-baba-ramdev-2063220 Government not spending money for promotion of Veda... http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-government-not-spending-money-for-promotion-of-vedas-baba-ramdev-2063220 Government not spending money for promotion of Vedas: Baba Ramdev - Yoga guru Ramdev asked Narendra Modi government on Sunday to loosen its p... View on www.dnaindia.com http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-government-not-spending-money-for-promotion-of-vedas-baba-ramdev-2063220 Preview by Yahoo About Swami Ramdev: He also lashed out at people and institutions who are running yoga centres around the country for commercial benefits. Yoga is a spiritual essence and it should not be marketed as a brand by anyone, Well, I hope everyone has heard this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..
I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game. I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.
[FairfieldLife] Recently in Vlodrop
Two weeks ago I visited Holland, for the first time since more than 25 years, when I had left Vlodrop, walking over to the small station on the German site, with my small suitcases. I never had a pull to go back, considering it as something of the past, in which I had more of a peripheral interest. Now, having things to do in Holland, I thought, why not just pass it by, it was sort of on the way. I didn't expect much, just a small stop over, maybe seeing some buildings from the fence. When I arrived, security at the main gate, I pulled out my Android to take a few shots, the building I had once lived in was basically a ruin by now, and was in the process of being finally broken down, it didn't look pretty for sure. I later learned, that they now have an official permission to demolish it. The new building of Maharsihi could be seen to the right site, but not very visible, unless I would enter, but there was the security man. But I was lucky, an old friend appeared, I could recognize him from some of the more recent webpages and from facebook. I called his name, and he too recognized me, gave me a hearty hug and welcome. He looked good. He started guiding me inside and gave me some explanations, and even finally led me into Maharishis house, which I had seen only on websites so far, showed me the ground floor. The building isn't very wide actually, much smaller than many movement buildings I had been too. It was a nice sunny day, though cold. The center part of it has been gilded in the mean time. My friend showed me then around to see all the newly constructed buildings and forrest shrines to different deities, explaining me the vastu of it all. etc. Than it was time to go, I still had to travel about two hours to a place near The Hague, probably not to far from the place Barry is staying. I must say, that I really like Holland, it's a very clean modern and open country, lot's of bicylces everywhere, very interesting constructions, some like the one Barry is driving with Maya. Anyway, the meeting I attended to went very well, and it was a great trip.
[FairfieldLife] Yogic flying in the world today
Himalayan Tantrik Yogi ( !!) in Pisa , Italy . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxoLsv5cD3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxoLsv5cD3g Himalayan Tantrik Yogi ( !!) in Pisa , Italy . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxoLsv5cD3g This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxoLsv5cD3g Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recently in Vlodrop
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Cheers for the nice photo's. Interesting to see how in yer face they are with the deities these days. We used to hide them when newbies or non-meditators were about. It looks like they are happy to embrace their inner Hindoo. My friend told me, that these outside shrines - they aren't real temples, but clearly Hindu deities of course - where put up by the Mother Divine - the female pedant to Purusha. It's all within the compound, so not accessable to the general public. They are not full statues, but relief shaped, so that they don't have to be regularly worshipped That's quite a construction plan as well, be interesting to see how much of it they get built. All they need is the money I suspect There are already many buildings, but the old monastary is still in the way. Many elements of the buildings are prefabricated, and then put together at the location. He showed my a hall, where they collect, and process all the video materials, of which there have been many over the years of course. Would be interesting what comes out of it, over the years. I could have made more pictures, but once he let me enter the house, I was so in awe, that I put my phone away. Most of it is online somewhere anyway. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Two weeks ago I visited Holland, for the first time since more than 25 years, when I had left Vlodrop, walking over to the small station on the German site, with my small suitcases. I never had a pull to go back, considering it as something of the past, in which I had more of a peripheral interest. Now, having things to do in Holland, I thought, why not just pass it by, it was sort of on the way. I didn't expect much, just a small stop over, maybe seeing some buildings from the fence. When I arrived, security at the main gate, I pulled out my Android to take a few shots, the building I had once lived in was basically a ruin by now, and was in the process of being finally broken down, it didn't look pretty for sure. I later learned, that they now have an official permission to demolish it. The new building of Maharsihi could be seen to the right site, but not very visible, unless I would enter, but there was the security man. But I was lucky, an old friend appeared, I could recognize him from some of the more recent webpages and from facebook. I called his name, and he too recognized me, gave me a hearty hug and welcome. He looked good. He started guiding me inside and gave me some explanations, and even finally led me into Maharishis house, which I had seen only on websites so far, showed me the ground floor. The building isn't very wide actually, much smaller than many movement buildings I had been too. It was a nice sunny day, though cold. The center part of it has been gilded in the mean time. My friend showed me then around to see all the newly constructed buildings and forrest shrines to different deities, explaining me the vastu of it all. etc. Than it was time to go, I still had to travel about two hours to a place near The Hague, probably not to far from the place Barry is staying. I must say, that I really like Holland, it's a very clean modern and open country, lot's of bicylces everywhere, very interesting constructions, some like the one Barry is driving with Maya. Anyway, the meeting I attended to went very well, and it was a great trip.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recently in Vlodrop
I don't even possess a suit anymore, I just wear jeans, and an orange sweater. I was just lucky to see this friend, I hadn't even thought of this. And it was perfect timing, as a day later, he was flying to India to this conference. I didn't expect this openess and that he even had the keys to Maharishis building, he was just being very nice to me. Part of it was, that we both had lived at this place once, and that we had worked together. Never mind for the coffee, and there might be opportunities later on ;-) - I was also on a tight schedule myself.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I think you and Barry have too much time on your hands, from what I skimmed below. TIme to write endlessly on the internet, (but not take a few minutes to meet a friend for coffee) I guess those flesh and blood interactions can be a bitch. (-: This is such a stupid and inappropriate comment, as we say here, a punch under the belt, that it really angers me. You have nothing to do with it, why do you interfere? You just take a friendly interaction and abuse it for your own vicious goals. Is that what you learn at the_peak? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great river and write a book about science. She didn't on both counts. He told me I'd be very wealthy in middle age. Not so far but I don't give much of a toss anyway. I'll let you know if it comes to pass. The rest of it was feeble character analysis such as you would get in any 5 cent gipsy tent at the local fair You are kind but like to say what you think etc... See Rorshach for further details. The only time astrology interests me is when they make claims about these periods in life that we supposedly go through. Things people in the TMO say like I'm in gurmuntha and so can't be expected to be successful just now this is all checkable and I was disappointed that it didn't match up. It seems more likely that we just cherry pick things from life to say that we agree with the planetary diagnosis and if it doesn't work we can blame our karma. I've heard it all. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) So his predictions of the future were good but you don't think it gets high marks generally? I don't get it, it either is or it isn't good at something. How can it be good for you but not me? I'll tell you, I think it depends rather more on the intuition of the astrologer than it does on any planetary influence - not that there is any - It's just pot luck if something ties up. And it depends what it is, something that's quite likely to happen like getting a new job if you've been looking for one. Out of the blue stuff is impossible to predict but it doesn't stop the TMO claiming that it can. I remember they used to publish a list of predictions for the year but abandoned it after 9/11. I used to keep them and check them at the end of the year, I once asked a higher-up how come none of it ever came true and he claimed that our meditation affected world events through the unified field so it was bound to be inaccurate. I further pondered why they didn't just include the revised events as part of the original prediction but that met with a stony look. This is my point, if you accept it you tend not to ask too much of it - certainly not how it might work. If you want to get to the bottom of it you find it all unravels pretty quickly under scrutiny and that's before we get to the actual behaviour of bodies in the solar system and how our knowledge of what they are has changed over the years. I also remember the TMO changed the birthchart requirements for a while so you had to include both your parents and grandparents birth details before they'd attempt a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
So, this is what you guys do on Saturday night. Go figure. You are just jealous because you can't even make it ouside of the US anymore, go figure. You are even afraid to go to India and visit any of the holy places you always dreamed of seeing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If they withdraw your dome badge again, Buck..
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I don't get it, what have I missed? It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends. Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo. Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Show the this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary. It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Show the this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
[FairfieldLife] If they withdraw your dome badge again, Buck..
Show the this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
[FairfieldLife] Re: world empress gets celebratory shawl
She looks like a cosplay manga queen.
[FairfieldLife] Re: world empress gets celebratory shawl
He is like a televangelic guru in India. Has lots of political interests, and is probably the best known guru in India at the moment. Ramdev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramdev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramdev Ramdev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramdev Baba Ramdev pronunciation (help·info) (born as Ramkrishna Yadav in Haryana) is a spiritual leader known for his contributions in yoga, Ayurveda, politic... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramdev Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Ammachi's swami is also there
Does this mean it is now okay for Governors to see Ammachi? With regards to gurus and hindu celebrities, this is indeed an impressive lineup, for example Swami Ramdev is afaik the most successful guru in India at the moment (and also the most political). Ammachis represenative is there, but somebody forgot to call Sri Sri, I am sure he would have liked to come to the conference. http://www.vedicindiafoundation.org/speakers.html SPEAKERS http://www.vedicindiafoundation.org/speakers.html Foundation for Vedic India - Speakers View on www.vedicindiafounda... http://www.vedicindiafoundation.org/speakers.html Preview by Yahoo http://www.vedicindiafoundation.org/conference.html http://www.vedicindiafoundation.org/conference.html CONFERENCE http://www.vedicindiafoundation.org/conference.html INTRODUCTION IndiaVeda Bhumi, Deva Bhumi, Purna Bhumi Bharat to radiate the nourishing influence of Veda, Natural Law, to every country. View on www.vedicindiafounda... http://www.vedicindiafoundation.org/conference.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Methinks someone in Vlodrop has been watching too many $cientology commercials. These kinda reek of cult envy. :-) Maybe. But maybe it's just some youngsters enjoying themselves at a new marketed rounding-course, using a new iphone / android app for their slideshow at instagram. The 1 $ pro version allows adding music ;-) http://www.cnet.com/how-to/flipagram-helps-create-videos-using-your-photos/ http://www.cnet.com/how-to/flipagram-helps-create-videos-using-your-photos/ From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is this the new movement? Call me old fashioned, but I was used fade-ins and fade-outs, set to Vivaldi's four seasons, or Pachelbel, not to a stroboscopic flashing of images set to pop music. Flipagram - Move with ELI and be HAPPY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9v9vyGKeR4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9v9vyGKeR4 Flipagram - Move with ELI and be HAPPY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9v9vyGKeR4 Move with ELI and be HAPPY! Made using Flipagram Download for Free! http://flipagram.com/get View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9v9vyGKeR4 Preview by Yahoo TOTALLY the BEST days of our lives! #ELI... - Enlightened Leadership Program | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=301480696682449set=vb.143964419100745 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=301480696682449set=vb.143964419100745 TOTALLY the BEST days of our lives! #ELI... - Enlightene... https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=301480696682449set=vb.143964419100745 These are the BEST days of our lives. Come make some more in Vlodrop this summer! #ELISummit #EnlightenedLeadershipProgram View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=301480696682449set=vb.143964419100745 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this the new movement?
Looks like this was the course: Enlightened Leadership International, Enlightened Leadership Program http://www.enlightenedleadershipprogram.org/#!information/cbtb http://www.enlightenedleadershipprogram.org/#!information/cbtb Enlightened Leadership International, Enlightened ... http://www.enlightenedleadershipprogram.org/#!information/cbtb A new style of leadership for the Next Generation that begins with your own inner silence and development of consciousness. Enlightened Leadership... View on www.enlightenedleade... http://www.enlightenedleadershipprogram.org/#!information/cbtb Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Second Pauli exclusion principle!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : A similar effect was noted around Bill Gates, who for years couldn't give a demo of a new product release without crashing it. The most famous was when he was introducing Win98 on live TV and managed to make it display the famous BSOD (Blue Screen Of Death). He finally started letting other people run the computers. :-) The difference is this: In the case of Bill Gates, the malfunction was not limited to him - it was common From: hepa7@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 10:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Second Pauli exclusion principle! The Pauli effect is a term referring to the apparently mysterious, anecdotal failure of technical equipment in the presence of Austrian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria theoretical physicist Wolfgang Pauli http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Pauli. The term was coined using his name after numerous instances in which demonstrations involving equipment suffered technical problems only when he was present. The Pauli effect is not to be related with the Pauli exclusion principle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_exclusion_principle, which is a bona fide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith physical phenomenon named after Pauli. However the Pauli effect was humorously tagged as a second Pauli exclusion principle, according that a functioning device and Wolfgang Pauli may not occupy the same room.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_effect#cite_note-eth-1 Pauli himself was convinced that the effect named after him was real.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_effect#cite_note-eth-1 Pauli corresponded with Hans Bender http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Bender and Carl Jung http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_effect#cite_note-eth-1 and saw the effect as an example of the concept of synchronicity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity. Pauli effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_effect Pauli effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_effect The Pauli effect is a term referring to the apparently mysterious, anecdotal failure of technical equipment in the presence of Austrian theoretical physicist Wolfgang Pauli. The term was coined using his name after numerous instances in which demonstratio... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_effect Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Is this the new movement?
Call me old fashioned, but I was used fade-ins and fade-outs, set to Vivaldi's four seasons, or Pachelbel, not to a stroboscopic flashing of images set to pop music. Flipagram - Move with ELI and be HAPPY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9v9vyGKeR4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9v9vyGKeR4 Flipagram - Move with ELI and be HAPPY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9v9vyGKeR4 Move with ELI and be HAPPY! Made using Flipagram Download for Free! http://flipagram.com/get View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9v9vyGKeR4 Preview by Yahoo TOTALLY the BEST days of our lives! #ELI... - Enlightened Leadership Program | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=301480696682449set=vb.143964419100745 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=301480696682449set=vb.143964419100745 TOTALLY the BEST days of our lives! #ELI... - Enlightene... https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=301480696682449set=vb.143964419100745 These are the BEST days of our lives. Come make some more in Vlodrop this summer! #ELISummit #EnlightenedLeadershipProgram View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=301480696682449set=vb.143964419100745 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha! I knew it!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Aryavazhi: I certainly agree with you about conditioning, spiritual techniques moderate or eliminate some kinds of conditioning, but certainly not all. Enlightened or not, conditioning lasts life long. Whenever I pass a large amount of chocolate on the market shelves, it is clear my mind is programmed to automatically respond to certain cues; my mind has no intent whatever of eliminating the chocolate cues. So detachment is just a mental stance one can adopt to deal with certain situations. After I wrote that sentence, I happened to go to the market, and, let us say, I walked by a lot of chocolate, and detachment did not work. Conditioning also applies to the mental models we have of how life works. Scientific models are briefly discussed below in a paragraph from Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow. 'Until the advent of modern physics it was generally thought that all knowledge of the world could be obtained through direct observation, that things are what they seem, as perceived through our senses. But the spectacular success of modern physics, which is based upon concepts such as Feynman’s that clash with everyday experience, has shown that that is not the case. The naive view of reality therefore is not compatible with modern physics. To deal with such paradoxes we shall adopt an approach that we call model-dependent realism. It is based on the idea that our brains interpret the input from our sensory organs by making a model of the world. When such a model is successful at explaining events, we tend to attribute to it, and to the elements and concepts that constitute it, the quality of reality or absolute truth. But there may be different ways in which one could model the same physical situation, with each employing different fundamental elements and concepts. If two such physical theories or models accurately predict the same events, one cannot be said to be more real than the other; rather, we are free to use whichever model is most convenient.' (Hawking, Stephen; Mlodinow, Leonard (2010-09-07). The Grand Design (Kindle Locations 60-68). Random House, Inc.. Kindle Edition.) Yes, great quote! It is basically what we all know, what Kant has said, about the 'Thing in Itself' that cannot be known. Further think, how everything we know about this 3 dimensional world is based on our visual sense of perception. The world to us is threedimensional because we have two eyes to see it that way. Our sense of solidity and density of objects is determined by our sense of pain, and the impenetrability of objects, due to electromagnetic repulsion. This naive viewpoint is for most people seemingly confirmed by science, which leads to a scientistic simplification of the world. Tell anybody that god exists, the first question any sceptic is going to ask is: 'Can you show me?', pointing to the importance of the visual. Because the simpler scientific theories are, to explain any event, the more elegant they are, the more they are considered to be true. But science, and especially physics is anything but simple. Think of time-space of the relativity theory or the even more dimensions of supersymmetry in quantum physics. Or think of the many-world-theory of physics, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation Compared to that, the idea that there are supernatural beings, who guide everything in the background, sounds rather simple. Add to this language: because of our dependence on the visual senses, all the words in our languages are derived from our perception of the natural world, and all ideas are constructed in an analogous way, to the things we perceive. The language of science is mathematics, but we cannot really imagine numbers, anything beyound 3 dimensions is beyound our imagination. Even the word imagination comes from image, that what we see of the world. Scientific models are constrained by facts, so the number of useful scientific models is usually small, but if anyone investigates the history of spiritual models of the universe, there are many many more. Very few aspects of spiritual models seem to respond to the application of fact, you cannot test their veracity except where there are some predictions, such as the effects of meditation on the mind, or perhaps the effect of fasting on the body. Because of the ghost in the machine nature of spiritual descriptions and the general absence of testable concepts, it is no wonder there is a much wider variety of possibilities. Spiritual systems tend to want you to stay within their particular orbit, that is they want you conditioned in a particular way so you won't try something else instead. While some spiritual systems talk of deconditioning the mind, in order to do that, some kind of counter conditioning to how you are already conditioned has
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tiny alternate realities
When I read your title first, Barry, I thought, this was about super compactified dimensions of N = 8 or 11 string theory, that is those 4 or 7 dimension apart from time / space. Reminds me of the hitchhikers guide to the universe, where all end up living in a small model of the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha! I knew it!
Xeno: Mindfulness meditation pretty much has successfully been divorced from its religious roots, unlike TM, but it is interesting if you get right into what meditation is really about, it is difficult to avoid some kind of religious thinking or thinking that runs parallel to religious ideas. If you read Sam Harris' latest book, even though he is a non-theist, a neuroscientist, he was unable to not mention something of Buddhism, rather frequently. As soon as you start believing the mental constructs surrounding meditation, or believing mental constructs you make up yourself to explain it to yourself or others, you begin to slip into religious territory. There is something of an invisible ghost in the works when you get down to the ultimate value of meditation As long as you just have a testable hypothesis and that is how you always regard it, you might be safe from being in, or creating a religion. This is well stated. But I believe(!) that there is always 'an invisible ghost' there somewhere, working in the background, if you work with religious concepts or not. That is, and I know that I have some strong opposition here, also for atheists and non-theists, as it is impossible to be without any conditioning. To 'be without conditioning' is btw just another spiritual concept. In all of this, I smell some sense of puristic spirit. Where does it come from? May be from the initiators of the 'age of aufklärung (enlightenment)' like Kant etc., who clearly improved our civilisation. And earlier than this, there is iconoclast reformatory movement of Martin Luther, a predecessor of all revolutions. Everything we know, supported by science or not, is always in our mind, and much of the fundamental conditioning of the mind is not seen. If you are free from the mind, in the sense of non-attachment, you may hold any number of spiritual concepts in your mind, but you are only partially identified with the mind itself. So it comes back to the same old, being free means being detached, IMO. If you know this, you may adopt the concepts that serve you best, knowing well their relativity. I am not talking of a scientist here, but of normal human beings. Scientists will of course adopt theories, which explain their data best.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha! I knew it!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : So says Hindu World News. They just reprinted it: the original is here: Transcendental Meditation http://www.allaboutreligion.org/transcendental-meditation.htm http://www.allaboutreligion.org/transcendental-meditation.htm Transcendental Meditation http://www.allaboutreligion.org/transcendental-meditation.htm Transcendental Meditation - Hindu-based movement. New Age connection. The foundation, philosophy and diversity of Hinduism. End the cycle and find true ... View on www.allaboutreligion.org http://www.allaboutreligion.org/transcendental-meditation.htm Preview by Yahoo What would you expect them to say? TM may have faults but it is not a religion and Maharishi explained so in his version of the Gita. It's the invading Muslims who thought it was a religion. Maybe you should convert to Islam, Michael, then it would be understandable why you think it is a religion. :-D On 01/18/2015 04:33 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: See? TM is Hindu-ism. Transcendental Meditation : Hindu-based movement in US Transcendental Meditation : Hindu-based movement in US Transcendental Meditation is a Hindu-based movement that finds popularity in the United States. Other offshoots of Hinduism increasing in attention due to the N... View on worldhindunews.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha! I knew it!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : There is no dating information on the page you provided a link to, though a server header seems to indicate it was modified on 16 January 2015, but it is on a Christian web site that seems well organised. The article appeared in a blog a month before the Hindu Times lifted it: What is Transcendental Meditation? | Celebrities http://beforeitsnews.com/celebrities/2014/03/what-is-transcendental-meditation-2458042.html What is Transcendental Meditation? | Celebrities http://beforeitsnews.com/celebrities/2014/03/what-is-transcendental-meditation-2458042.html Transcendental Meditation: A Hindu-based Movement Linked to New Age Philosophy Transcendental Meditation is a Hindu-based movement that finds popularity in the United States. Other offshoots of Hinduism increasing in attention due to the New Age... View on beforeitsnews.com http://beforeitsnews.com/celebrities/2014/03/what-is-transcendental-meditation-2458042.html Preview by Yahoo This article has links to other sites from within the article and this version of the text also appears on another site four months later: ROBERT J.R. GRAHAM: What is Transcendental Meditation? http://robertjrgraham.blogspot.com/2014/08/what-is-transcendental-meditation.html http://robertjrgraham.blogspot.com/2014/08/what-is-transcendental-meditation.html ROBERT J.R. GRAHAM: What is Transcendental Me... http://robertjrgraham.blogspot.com/2014/08/what-is-transcendental-meditation.html Transcendental Meditation: A Hindu-based Movement Linked to New Age Philosophy Transcendental Meditation is a Hindu-based movement that finds po... View on robertjrgraham.blogsp... http://robertjrgraham.blogspot.com/2014/08/what-is-transcendental-meditation.html Preview by Yahoo Supposedly about 3/4ths of the content on the web is lifted and recopied from an original source. Here is the earliest source I could find of the article on the wayback machine from August 2007: https://web.archive.org/web/20070814020553/http://www.allaboutreligion.org/Transcendental-Meditation.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20070814020553/http://www.allaboutreligion.org/Transcendental-Meditation.htm Yes, this is from the same site, allaboutreligion.org, it's just the old archived version. You can see, their footer: WHAT DO YOU THINK? - We have all sinned http://www.allaboutgod.com/what-is-sin.htm and deserve God's judgment. God http://www.allaboutgod.com/who-is-god-c.htm, the Father, sent His only Son to satisfy that judgment for those who believe in Him. Jesus http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/jesus-is-god.htm, the creator and eternal Son of God, who lived a sinless life, loves us so much that He died http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/crucifixion.htm for our sins, taking the punishment that we deserve, was buried http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/resurrection-of-christ.htm, and rose from the dead http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/resurrection-of-jesus.htm according to the Bible http://www.allabouttruth.org/is-the-bible-true-c.htm. If you truly believe and trust this in your heart, receiving Jesus alone as your Savior http://www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org/savior-of-the-world-video.htm, declaring, Jesus is Lord http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/why-jesus-is-lord-faq.htm,; you will be saved from judgment http://www.allaboutworldview.org/does-hell-exist.htm and spend eternity with God in heaven. What is your response? Yes, today I am deciding to follow Jesus http://www.allaboutreligion.org/survey/the-way/yes.php?reference=http://www.allaboutreligion.org/transcendental-meditation.htm Yes, I am already a follower of Jesus http://www.allaboutreligion.org/survey/the-way/yes-i-am-already-a-follower-of-jesus.php?reference=http://www.allaboutreligion.org/transcendental-meditation.htm http://www.allaboutreligion.org/survey/the-way/no.php?reference=http://www.allaboutreligion.org/transcendental-meditation.htm http://www.allaboutreligion.org/survey/the-way/no.php?reference=http://www.allaboutreligion.org/transcendental-meditation.htm Any questions? I think not. This is part of a christian network: All Subjects - All About GOD http://www.allaboutgod.com/all-subjects.htm http://www.allaboutgod.com/all-subjects.htm All Subjects - All About GOD http://www.allaboutgod.com/all-subjects.htm All Subjects - All About GOD View on www.allaboutgod.com http://www.allaboutgod.com/all-subjects.htm Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : So says Hindu World News. They just reprinted it: the original is here: Transcendental Meditation http://www.allaboutreligion.org/transcendental-meditation.htm http://www.allaboutreligion.org/transcendental-meditation.htm Transcendental Meditation
Re: [FairfieldLife] AOL wants to make changing your religion illegal in India.
These are the 22 vows Ambedkar asked of his Dalit followers.This by the man who made the Indian constitution. I shall have no faith in Brahma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma, Vishnu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu and Maheshwara https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva nor shall I worship them. I shall have no faith in Rama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama and Krishna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna, who are believed to be incarnation of God, nor shall I worship them. I shall have no faith in Gauri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parvati, Ganapati https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesha and other gods and goddesses of Hindus nor shall I worship them. I do not believe in the incarnation of God. I do not and shall not believe that Lord Buddha was the incarnation of Vishnu. I believe this to be sheer madness and false propaganda. I shall not perform Shraddha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Ar%C4%81ddha nor shall I give pind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitru_Paksha. I shall not act in a manner violating the principles and teachings of the Buddha. I shall not allow any ceremonies to be performed by Brahmins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmin. I shall believe in the equality of man. I shall endeavour to establish equality. I shall follow the Noble Eightfold Path https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path of the Buddha. I shall follow the ten paramitas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81ramit%C4%81 prescribed by the Buddha. I shall have compassion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karu%E1%B9%87%C4%81 and loving-kindness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett%C4%81 for all living beings and protect them. I shall not steal. I shall not tell lies. I shall not commit carnal sins. I shall not take intoxicants like liquor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol, drugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drug, etc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] AOL wants to make changing your religion illegal in India.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Well we certainly wouldn't want those untouchables and other lower castes running off and joining another religion. Who would we look down our noses at? Right.I think Ravi is just being opportunistic here, being one of the televangelistic gurus in India, he simply appeals to the main stream Hindu oppinion. Interestingly enough, the father of the Indian constitution Dr. Ambedkar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._R._Ambedkar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._R._Ambedkar who was a dalit himself converted to Buddhism, and actually founded the modern Buddhist movement in India Dalit Buddhist movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit_Buddhist_movement You will see his statue in almost every Indian village. Unfortunately his plan, to make Buddhism again a leading religion in India, and basically make all dalits convert to it, never took off, soon after his conversion he died. On SSRS part, this whole thing is pure hypocrisy. Ambedkar invented a system of quotas, to allow low caste Indians to study, I know high caste Indians who converted to Christianity just to be able to study medicine. They never become Christians really, and everybody knows by their name, which caste they belong to. If SSRS really wanted to reduce conversions, he should propose something more effective to abolish the caste system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit_Buddhist_movement Dalit Buddhist movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit_Buddhist_movement The Dalit Buddhist movement (dubbed as Navayana by certain Ambedkerites)[1] is a 19th and 20th-century Buddhist revival movement in India. It received its most... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit_Buddhist_movement Preview by Yahoo From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] AOL wants to make changing your religion illegal in India. Conversions should not happen in any religion. There are many instances of conversion through allurements. That should also stop and a law should be enacted for this purpose. ~ Sri Sri Ravi Shankar as reported by Press Trust of India http://www.ptinews.com/news/5561199_Sri-Sri-Ravi-Shankar-for-law-banning-conversion.html http://www.ptinews.com/news/5561199_Sri-Sri-Ravi-Shankar-for-law-banning-conversion.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Could Russel Brand change the dome policies?
You might be right, though I think he feels very indebted to TM. But he is discovering new things, here he seems to have discovered the Ashram principle: Russell Brand | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152653190763177set=vb.21641548176 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152653190763177set=vb.21641548176 Russell Brand | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152653190763177set=vb.21641548176 We need to create a safe cradle-like society ... View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152653190763177set=vb.21641548176 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : How do you know the TMO isn't frowning at the moment? Russell has an inquisitive mind and more free time to explore things. He might wind up learning something far more powerful than TM. Good on him! On 01/15/2015 07:09 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The Movement gives a free pass to the celebs who give them publicity and make it possible for the Movement to make more money. The rules are ignored for them, but are still in force for the TM peons. From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Could Russel Brand change the dome policies? Obviously Russel is not only the posterboy for TM.. With special attention to Buck and Nabby
[FairfieldLife] Re: AOL wants to make changing your religion illegal in India.
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar for law banning conversion http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/sri-sri-ravi-shankar-for-law-banning-conversion_1528004.html http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/sri-sri-ravi-shankar-for-law-banning-conversion_1528004.html Sri Sri Ravi Shankar for law banning conversion http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/sri-sri-ravi-shankar-for-law-banning-conversion_1528004.html Claiming that the controversy surrounding VHP's 'Ghar Wapsi' programme was political in nature and confined only to Parliament, spiritual gu... View on zeenews.india.com http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/sri-sri-ravi-shankar-for-law-banning-conversion_1528004.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] AOL wants to make changing your religion illegal in India.
Conversions should not happen in any religion. There are many instances of conversion through allurements. That should also stop and a law should be enacted for this purpose. ~ Sri Sri Ravi Shankar as reported by Press Trust of India http://www.ptinews.com/news/5561199_Sri-Sri-Ravi-Shankar-for-law-banning-conversion.html http://www.ptinews.com/news/5561199_Sri-Sri-Ravi-Shankar-for-law-banning-conversion.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Could Russel Brand change the dome policies?
Here is some comments on a satirical site, you might be interested in. Obviously not everyone likes this new association. https://www.facebook.com/170255186340026/photos/a.359216714110538.83516.170255186340026/881754848523386/ https://www.facebook.com/170255186340026/photos/a.359216714110538.83516.170255186340026/881754848523386/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The Movement gives a free pass to the celebs who give them publicity and make it possible for the Movement to make more money. The rules are ignored for them, but are still in force for the TM peons. From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Could Russel Brand change the dome policies? Obviously Russel is not only the posterboy for TM.. With special attention to Buck and Nabby
[FairfieldLife] Re: Could Russel Brand change the dome policies?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Could Russel Brand change the dome policies?
Russell Brand - Russell Brand's Photos | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/RussellBrand/photos/pb.21641548176.-220752.1421326927./10152650766168177/?type=1theater https://www.facebook.com/RussellBrand/photos/pb.21641548176.-220752.1421326927./10152650766168177/?type=1theater Russell Brand - Russell Brand's Photos | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/RussellBrand/photos/pb.21641548176.-220752.1421326927./10152650766168177/?type=1theater Russell Brand posted this photo on 2015-01-08. 1168 likes. 197 comments. 53 shares. View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/RussellBrand/photos/pb.21641548176.-220752.1421326927./10152650766168177/?type=1theater Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Obviously Russel is not only the posterboy for TM.. With special attention to Buck and Nabby
[FairfieldLife] Could Russel Brand change the dome policies?
Obviously Russel is not only the posterboy for TM.. With special attention to Buck and Nabby
[FairfieldLife] Re: From my best friend in Paris
Great photo. It also shows the difference between America and France: In America you get people lining up for the latest Iphone or Ipad, in France for a satyrical magazine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: From my best friend in Paris
Here Are Some Of The Cartoons In The New Issue Of Charlie Hebdo http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/here-are-some-of-the-cartoons-in-the-new-issue-of-charlie-he?bftwutm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/here-are-some-of-the-cartoons-in-the-new-issue-of-charlie-he?bftwutm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc Here Are Some Of The Cartoons In The New Issue ... http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/here-are-some-of-the-cartoons-in-the-new-issue-of-charlie-he?bftwutm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc It features cartoons by the artists who were killed and several that mock terrorism. View on www.buzzfeed.com http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/here-are-some-of-the-cartoons-in-the-new-issue-of-charlie-he?bftwutm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: From my best friend in Paris
Some rough impression from screenshots are here: Charlie Hebdo: 16 Seiten Mut http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/charlie-hebdo-die-acht-seiten-der-neuen-ausgabe-fotostrecke-122843.html http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/charlie-hebdo-die-acht-seiten-der-neuen-ausgabe-fotostrecke-122843.html Charlie Hebdo: 16 Seiten Mut http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/charlie-hebdo-die-acht-seiten-der-neuen-ausgabe-fotostrecke-122843.html Die neue Ausgabe von Charlies Hebdo: Auf dem Titelblatt ist ein weinender Prophet Mohammed zu sehen. View on www.spiegel.de http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/charlie-hebdo-die-acht-seiten-der-neuen-ausgabe-fotostrecke-122843.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Next to impossible?
What does this have to do with Tor? Are you implying that Al qaida sites are all in the darknet? I don't think so. Anyway, I think it's more a symbolic act. They will not be able to cut down AQ communication.
[FairfieldLife] Re: annam brahma?
Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, V, 12 annam brahma ity eka ahuh, tan na tatha, puyati va annam rte pranat; prano brahma ity eka ahuh, tan na tatha, susyati vai prana rte’ nnat, ete ha tv eva devate, ekadhabhuyam bhutva, paramatam gacchatah tadd ha smaha pratrdah pitaram, kim svid evaivam viduse sadhu kuryam, kim evasma asadhu kuryam iti. sa ha smah a panina: ma pratrda, kas tv enayor ekadha bhuyam bhutva paramatam gacch atiti. tasma u haitad uvaca; vi, iti; annam vai vi; anne himani sarvan i bhutani vistani; ram iti prano vai ram, prane himani sarvani bhutani ra mante; sarvani ha va asmin bhutani visanti, sarvani bhutani ramante, ya evam veda.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Bingo. If you have a somewhat more philosophical take on this, 1.) first you a grouped with the religious crowd 2.) then, next comes the hammer of the epistemolgical argument, which again reduces religion to it's stone age origin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : We lampoon religions all the time in the US. I'm a equal opportunity religion basher. I feel that all religions probably belong in a museum. But we have people here who think that Buddhism and Hinduism are religions when they are philosophies. I seem to recall that Zoroasterism is also a philosophy (very much an advaite offshoot) but people have made it into a religion too. I first took a look at Islam after taking my SCI course and my rationalization was the Mohamed wanted to set things we saw as natural laws as rules in a religion because people weren't observing them otherwise. Actually what happened was Mohamed, seeing the ongoing wars between the war lords at the time invented the religion to put an end to it. We have better ways of dealing with war lords these days. And we need to do it rather than letting them continue to run amok. On 01/07/2015 12:55 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Ah, the bravery of the liberals who think they have a perfect right to insult anyone's cherished beliefs just because they want to. Brave for sure. They just paid with their lives. Generally speaking, it's not a good idea to insult other people's religion. They don't like it and it is not helpful to the situation. You should have learned that in grade school. Lampooning others' beliefs is a time-honoured tradition in the West. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:s3raphita@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com It's an odd kind of duty to publish cartoons that mock the founder of one of the world's largest religions in the way that is plainly meant to be deeply offensive to adherents of that faith. You say things cut both ways, and the matter of respecting the faith of others does also. Why should anyone *respect* a faith they regard as intolerant of gays or women or free speech? Respect has to be earned. I support anyone's right to criticize Islam as robustly and satirically as they wish; just as I support someone's right to argue that liberal attitudes to sexuality are repugnant. Let everyone say what they wish; we can listen to their claims and come to our own conclusions. What are you afraid of? Thank you for saying this. There is this terrible meme we have inherited for centuries -- both in the East and in the West -- that says, If we call it 'religious', it's *protected*. You can't say bad stuff about it or criticize it. During many of these centuries, the people saying this were IN CHARGE. Their religion *ran* things. So if anyone *did* say anything critical of their religious beliefs, they just killed their asses. Simple as that. What we're seeing today in radical Islam and in the fundamentalist extremes of religion such as Hindu Supremacy is a bunch of religious people wishing that the world still worked that way. They'd really *like* to KILL anyone who doesn't believe the way they think they should. Currently on planet Earth, only one major religion is actually consistently claiming to be PROUD of doing that -- killing anyone who doesn't believe the way they think they should. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's an odd kind of duty to publish cartoons that mock the founder of one of the world's largest religions in the way that is plainly meant to be deeply offensive to adherents of that faith. You say things cut both ways, and the matter of respecting the faith of others does also. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : Re That other people don't see the world the same way you do should be the first thing they have to teach at these faith schools.: Well, yes. But can you imagine a state, secular school teaching kids that some people regard homosexuality as an abomination, or that women's place is in the home, etc, etc? It cuts both ways. John Stuart Mill in On Liberty argued that we should always have some private (non-state) schools otherwise the state would simply use its monopoly to push the ideology of the ruling Establishment. He was right then; he's right now. The problem is we have two opposing
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Right To Blaspheme
Some of the cartoons are really funny, I'd have to say, to bad I don't speak french. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : A little background, for those who might be tempted to believe that French mag Charlie Hebdo only made fun of Muslims. Not true...they were (and in all likelihood will continue to be) equal opportunity blasphemers. Good for them... Charlie Hebdo has had more legal run-ins with Christians than with Muslims http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-ins-with-christians-than-with-muslims/ http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-ins-with-christians-than-with-muslims/ Charlie Hebdo has had more legal run-ins with Christians... http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-ins-with-christians-than-with-muslims/ The magazine is not anti-Islam as much as it is anti-religion and broadly anti-establishment. View on qz.com http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-ins-with-christians-than-with-muslims/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Right To Blaspheme
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Brilliant idea. Ben Kingsley could definitely nail it as the lead role! eeh, you mean nail as in nailing? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Try to imagine the shitstorm that would hit the fan if the TMO learned that someone in Hollywood had bought the film rights of Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay and was about to turn it into a major film. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : A little background, for those who might be tempted to believe that French mag Charlie Hebdo only made fun of Muslims. Not true...they were (and in all likelihood will continue to be) equal opportunity blasphemers. Good for them... It all reminds me of the trouble we had in England with Sikhs when a Sikh girl - who was abused as a child by an elder at her temple - wrote a play about the experience. Hordes of angry Sikhs attacked the place and forced the play to be cancelled. There were lots of highly disturbing letters - and even a Sikh on the BBC's flagship discussion show - claiming that they were a peaceful people until their religion is insulted and then they are not responsible for their actions. Which is chilling enough on its own because not being responsible for your actions is how we define insanity in the civilised world, but what was worse is that no one was arguing against this right to destroy to protect their point of view. Even the chair of BBC's Question Time let the matter go. You simply can't have people claiming immunity for their actions based on their beliefs, where would it end? I can't believe it was 10 years ago either: Mohan Singh, from the Guru Nanak Gurdwara in south Birmingham, an organisation of Sikh temples, said the theatre should have heeded the concerns of Sikh representatives before the protests turned violent but denied that the protesters had attempted to stifle free speech. He said: Free speech can go so far. Maybe 5,000 people would have seen this play over the run. Are you going to upset 600,000 thousands Sikhs in Britain and maybe 20 million outside the UK for that? Religion is a very sensitive issue and you should be extremely careful. This morning the theatre could be seen with its windows boarded up after protestors smashed the front entrance and backstage equipment on Saturday night. Play axed after Sikh protests http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/20/arts.religion1 http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/20/arts.religion1 Play axed after Sikh protests http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/20/arts.religion1 The Birmingham theatre attacked this weekend in a violent protest by Sikhs today announced it was ending the run of a play that depicts murder and rape in ... View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/20/arts.religion1 Preview by Yahoo Charlie Hebdo has had more legal run-ins with Christians than with Muslims http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-ins-with-christians-than-with-muslims/ http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-ins-with-christians-than-with-muslims/ Charlie Hebdo has had more legal run-ins with Christians... http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-ins-with-christians-than-with-muslims/ The magazine is not anti-Islam as much as it is anti-religion and broadly anti-establishment. View on qz.com http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-ins-with-christians-than-with-muslims/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
One of the reasons, I prefer to stay anonymous. Anonymity is literally security. Even having to display your email in public means less anonymity. Especially with modern mass communication, and world wide internet surveillance by the NSA, but also secret services of other countries, it is important to keep anonymity. Anonymous (group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_%28group%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_%28group%29 Anonymous (group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_%28group%29 Anonymous (used as a mass noun) is a loosely associated international network of activist and hacktivist entities. A website nominally associated with the group des... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_%28group%29 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Religious Mind
The difference of your POV and mine is, that mine is emic, and yours is etic. I think, that every group, decides themself, how they believe in what, and it is the people themselves, who follow their interpretation of whatever scripture. What they follow, and how they understand it, is up to their own definition. So, if a majority of muslims, interpret their scriptures in a way that is peaceful, then this is what they follow, and you cannot make them accountable for an interpretation, that may be historically correct, or not, or whatever - It's like this, the same with the mantras of TM, if you are not believeing that you are repeating the calling names of gods, then your are indeed only repeating a meaningless word, because that's the way you understand it. Emic and etic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic Emic and etic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic Emic and etic, in anthropology, folkloristics, and the social and behavioral sciences, refer to two kinds of field research done and viewpoints obtained;[1] from within the social group (from the perspective of the subject) and from outside (from the perspective of... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Your words made me think so thanks for that. It sent me on a mission to see where the gaps are in my thinking along the lines you indicate. Because I certainly did focus on the religious connection when I read this news. It would be natural for you to do so, since this is your big topic. I don't think your trying to connect Barry's statement with another group with ideas he may not agree with really helps your case. All people who challenge religious beliefs are not right wing nationalists. These are unconnected ideas. Right, of course. But why make the same mistake as them? You see that this is their big argument, which they even carry in their name, to stop Muslims, all, as they think they would take over. I found a lot of information from moderate Muslums which would help to support your point. They quoted their scriptures and showed how the statements in it do not really mean what it seems to mean concerning the punishment for blasphemy. For example if it says that a person should be killed for blasphemy against the prophet they say that this is what God will do and it isn't an instruction for man to act on it. All well and good for them in their households. Little problem is that the laws based on other interpretations in Pakistan for example give a death penalty for blasphemy and they base this law on THEIR interpretation of scripture. And we all know how ISSL is interpreting it. There are many different types of Muslims, just as there are many different types of Christians. For example, the majority of Muslims in India and Pakistan is of the Sufi denomination. In fact they frequently find themselves to be the target of their more radical ones, like the Taliban etc. They frequently blow up their mosques and other sanctuaries. Now, are you going to tell them, that the Wahhabis , which even in Saudi Arabia are a dominant minority, or the Deobands are practising the right way of Islam? But the main problem I have is that moderates in religion still make the same epistemological blunder of accepting old books as the the word of God and therefor an unquestioned authority in human affairs. Christians love to dismiss all the foam on lip crazy talk of the Old Testament God saying things like stone adulterers and giving precise instructions how to sell your daughters into slavery. They say that Jesus didn't preach that so we can safely ignore what God said himself, directly. They claim that Jesus brought a new covenant that fulfills all these laws. Problem is that Jesus makes it clear: They may make any type of epistemological mistakes, that is not at all relevant in this context - what is relevant here only is, if what they believe is dangerous to other's. It is they themslves, who define, what islam means to them. It's they same with language. You define the meaning of words by using it in a particular context. It is a sort of an agreement within a group of people. And for the majority of muslims it is simply not the case that they are violent. The minority of Wahhabis, call the Sufis, the majority in India and Pakistan 'Kafi' - non-believers. Btw. I admire that you actually read this, the bible so many times, I think I have never even read it through once . Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. So we need to fulfill the law to stone adulterers?
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Religious Mind
And it's just equally sad to use this sad incidence to flame againts religion in general. It's just the worst generalization, and total lack of discrimination, and no western government, neither the Dutch nor the American, nor the French nor the German, would ever say it as you just said. You like to provocate, your calling, but it doesn't make you look very smart. In Germany we have the pegida PEGIDA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEGIDA who actually blame the muslims in general for this kinds of attacks, and they are largely regarded as right wing nationalists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEGIDA PEGIDA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEGIDA Patriotische Europäer gegen die Islamisierung des Abendlandes (PEGIDA, in English: Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West)[note 1] is ... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEGIDA Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: My crazy dream of the atheist council
At the end of the day I just live without the idea but I understand where it comes from, I get the need for religion and have been there myself but you have be tough if you want the truth and apply a bit of rigour to everything in your head, I just think it's a bad explanation for experience that can be better accounted for psychologically than physically. Maybe on your tombstone will be written, one day: Here rests in peace Salyavin, a hero, who knew the truth and fought irrationality Cheers, have a great day, and don't be too hard to yourself ;-)
