[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: It appears that the people who overpost are not stepping up and saying that they are going to change or that they care about or understand what the FFL community has said to them, in fairly gentle and kind terms. In fact, Sparaig has treated the whole subject as if it were a joke, and Judy has never even ONCE acknowledged that her level of posting is excessive. I think we have to assume that neither of them thinks that their level of posting IS excessive. Therefore they're not going to change. Shemp and I have acknowledged our willingness to either cut back or leave the forum entirely. But Sparaig and Judy are trying to bluff their way through this and continue doing what they have always done. They are assuming that no one has the balls to actually impose some sane controls on them, since they seem incapable of self-control. The two of them have SUCCESSFULLY taken over Fairfield Life, such that any new person showing up on the scene would have to believe that they *represent* Fairfield Life. That is, after all, all they see when they go to a FFL Messages page: endless numbers of posts by sparaig and authfriend. And now these two are betting that you guys are going to wuss out and allow them to KEEP doing this. I think that in a recent post new.morning made an astute observation, and used the appropriate word for this type of behavior: It just seems a shame to give in and let the terrorists shape our lives. Then they win. Reluctantly, I finally agree with new.morning. The only thing these cyberterrorists will under- stand is cutting them off at the pump. They have DEMONSTRATED that they won't listen to reason and they have failed even to *acknowledge* that their behavior is offensive. So I'd vote for a solution similar to what he proposed: -- Given an appropriate start date (say the beginning of a calendar month) monitor the posting activity of the biggest offenders. -- A normal month on FFL consists of 3000 to 5000 posts total. 10% of that would be 30 to 50 posts per month. -- When these posters reach a total of 30 posts for the month, send out a warning that they only have 20 left for the month. At that point they know that they have to cut down, or else. -- When they reach 50, cut them off for the rest of the month. -- If they get cut off three months in a row, suspend their posting privileges permanently. Simple, effective, and fair. Speaking as someone who has posted WAY too much in the past, I would have NO PROBLEM abiding by such a policy. Unc/Barry/TurquoiseB To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
Oh, having realized what would happen if you guys decide to implement a solution like the one I just proposed, I add an addendum to it at the end: So I'd vote for a solution similar to what he [new.morning] proposed: -- Given an appropriate start date (say the beginning of a calendar month) monitor the posting activity of the biggest offenders. -- A normal month on FFL consists of 3000 to 5000 posts total. 10% of that would be 30 to 50 posts per month. -- When these posters reach a total of 30 posts for the month, send out a warning that they only have 20 left for the month. At that point they know that they have to cut down, or else. -- When they reach 50, cut them off for the rest of the month. -- If they get cut off three months in a row, suspend their posting privileges permanently. -- Say you decide to go for something like this, and say you decide to start the new policy on October 1st, START by completely cutting off all four of the big offenders -- myself, Shemp, sparaig, and authfriend -- for the remaining days BEFORE October 1st. On the positive side, that would give each of the four the chance to cool out and rethink their posting habits before the new policy goes into effect. On the negative side, if you DON'T do this, I think you all know what will happen. Sparaig and authfriend will each post two to three hundred angry posts in the next week, trying to get all their rants in before the axe falls. It sounds silly, but you all know it's true, right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
Reposting the after coffee math version of this post, having deleted the pre coffee math version :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: It appears that the people who overpost are not stepping up and saying that they are going to change or that they care about or understand what the FFL community has said to them, in fairly gentle and kind terms. In fact, Sparaig has treated the whole subject as if it were a joke, and Judy has never even ONCE acknowledged that her level of posting is excessive. I think we have to assume that neither of them thinks that their level of posting IS excessive. Therefore they're not going to change. Shemp and I have acknowledged our willingness to either cut back or leave the forum entirely. But Sparaig and Judy are trying to bluff their way through this and continue doing what they have always done. They are assuming that no one has the balls to actually impose some sane controls on them, since they seem incapable of self-control. The two of them have SUCCESSFULLY taken over Fairfield Life, such that any new person showing up on the scene would have to believe that they *represent* Fairfield Life. That is, after all, all they see when they go to a FFL Messages page: endless numbers of posts by sparaig and authfriend. And now these two are betting that you guys are going to wuss out and allow them to KEEP doing this. I think that in a recent post new.morning made an astute observation, and used the appropriate word for this type of behavior: It just seems a shame to give in and let the terrorists shape our lives. Then they win. Reluctantly, I finally agree with new.morning. The only thing these cyberterrorists will under- stand is cutting them off at the pump. They have DEMONSTRATED that they won't listen to reason and they have failed even to *acknowledge* that their behavior is offensive. So I'd vote for a solution similar to what he proposed: -- Given an appropriate start date (say the beginning of a calendar month) monitor the posting activity of the biggest offenders. -- A normal month on FFL consists of 3000 to 4000 posts total. 10% of that would be 300 to 400 posts per month. -- When these posters reach a total of 300 posts for the month, send out a warning that they only have 100 left for the month. At that point they know that they have to cut down, or else. -- When they reach 400, cut them off for the rest of the month. -- If they get cut off three months in a row, suspend their posting privileges permanently. -- START by cutting off all four offenders for the period before the new policy goes into effect. If you don't, you *know* what will happen -- two of them will flood the group with hundreds of angry rants just to get them in under the wire. Simple, effective, and fair. Speaking as someone who has posted WAY too much in the past, I would have NO PROBLEM abiding by such a policy. I would have no problem with it if we cut the percentage down to 5% of the total and set the monthly warning limit to 150 posts and the cutoff limit to 200. Actually, I think that's a much more sane basis for such a policy. I only used 10% above because that's what new.morning originally proposed. Personally, I think that anyone who can't express what they want to say in 150 to 200 posts is not just socially unacceptable, but approaching sociopath status. Unc/Barry/TurquoiseB To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else sick of thus choking of FFL? If so, open your window and shout I'm not going to take in any longer. Or simple post it. I visit FFL only occasionally, and select my reading according to the titles and also by the poster. I appreciate many of the inputs of the frequent posters. If their postings style annoys me I skip reading them. This is the case in the ever lasting snapping between Judy and Barry. On the other hand the big number of posts makes it laborious to find those posts that would interest me. Apparently I cannot use the new system of following the threads effectively. For example for this thread I didn't easily find the starting post I'm now responding to. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reposting the after coffee math version of this post, having deleted the pre coffee math version :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: It appears that the people who overpost are not stepping up and saying that they are going to change or that they care about or understand what the FFL community has said to them, in fairly gentle and kind terms. In fact, Sparaig has treated the whole subject as if it were a joke, Indeed. [...] I think we have to assume that neither of them thinks that their level of posting IS excessive. Therefore they're not going to change. [a rather large number of lines snipt] Correct. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Anyone else sick of thus choking of FFL? If so, open your window and shout I'm not going to take in any longer. Or simple post it. I visit FFL only occasionally, and select my reading according to the titles and also by the poster. I appreciate many of the inputs of the frequent posters. If their postings style annoys me I skip reading them. This is the case in the ever lasting snapping between Judy and Barry. On the other hand the big number of posts makes it laborious to find those posts that would interest me. Apparently I cannot use the new system of following the threads effectively. For example for this thread I didn't easily find the starting post I'm now responding to. Irmeli I have deleted some of the writers in my e-mail - so they do not come up. I do not have time to read every post - only the threads that seems interesting - I have an active life outside the PC - so I do not want to spend too much time with FFL. Maybe it would be healthier for the most heavy writers to enjoy life instead of sitting hours before the PC. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Averages are useful, but not refelctive of the core problem, IMO. Tell someone on a jammed freeway at rush hour that the roads have ample capacity to handle average traffic you will probably be shot by a roadrager. My premise is that when somone beyond the AMT-three, frankly I think you have cut down to reasonable levels (but I include you since you part of the original sample), sees pages and pages of Spraig/Judy/Shemp posts, they just slap their forehead and go away. Massive compulsive, drivel-prone, peak posters drive away thoughtful posters. 60% of posts by 4 peaople. Or excluding you, 55% by three AMT people! Its quite sick, compulsive and abusive IMO. They are choking, with content and tone (Shemp and Judy (at times) per tone) what was once a vibrant, friendly, supportive forum to a 60's encounter group with a couple of non-stop loud-mouths. If people don't want me here, just post that comment here on this thread and if enough people do so, I'll be happy to leave. I am not into enforcement -- far less than you on political and social issues than you -- I imagine. I would prefer to see those that are sick of 60% peak clogging of FFL to speak up. If 10 people do, Sparaig, Judy and Shemp may GET it. I have hope for Judy and Sparaig. If several cycles of that doesn't work, I suggest that anyone can pull the stats and if someone is above 10% for a one-day or greater period, they are given a time-out for two weeks. Time-outs work for kids, and are hardly abusive. They help inform and provide feedback to people to help them get a grip. For compulsive, rude, or obnoxious for whom repeated group consensus to cool it' don't have an effect, then time-outs may be worth a try. I don't prefer the above time-outs. I prefer that 10 people stand up and say that they are sick of three people posting 50% or so of posts at peak times and ask them to please be become conscious of their effect of driving others away. Or we just start a new group, and don't give them the address. :) By the way, your stats are off. In Sept there have been 2841 posts. 130 by me.4.5%. 6 a day. I like your idea of shooting for an average of 4. Some days, a bit more, some days a bit less. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Hey new.morning, I actually agree with you. But let's get more specific here. Since you're the one who wanted to set guidelines and enforce them, how many posts do YOU think I should limit myself to per day? Should I hold myself to your standard? During the month of September (so far) you sent an average of 6.14 posts per day, whereas I rudely sent an average of 8.7 posts per day. I will try my best in the future not only to not exceed your average, but to limit myself to less than half that amount, an average of no more than four posts per day. That is well below the median posting level for the group as a whole. Would that be satisfactory? If so, now see whether you can get the other three to do this. During September, their daily averages were as follows: authfriend -- 17.81 posts per day sparaig -- 18.05 posts per day shempmcgurk -- 12.19 posts per day Good luck. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: for sept 20-21 Approx 30 hours posts total % Cum % sparaig 56 213 26% 26% Judy 33 213 15% 42% Shemp 24 213 11% 53% Turq 12 213 6% 59% Several weeks ago when I did this spot 24 hour (or 100 post) check, These four posters were a mere, but still intrusive and approching abnoxious, 40% of total FFL posts. Now they are almost 60%. As they say in the music biz, Rising with a bullet. To other posters beyond these four: Do you really want to see FFL taken over by this virus? I see full pages of 20-30 posts and they are nearlly all Sparaig. Its difficult to even find posts not from this clan of obsessives. Anyone else sick of thus choking of FFL? If so, open your window and shout I'm not going to take in any longer. Or simple post it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] If people don't want me here, just post that comment here on this thread and if enough people do so, I'll be happy to leave. Thats your perogative to take an all or nothing approach. But, of course, my suggestion was that posters try to keep within 10% of total posts. Otherwise to take a voluntary time out -- to regroup and reduce the urge for their compulsive jag -- and to form new habits, or if they are too compulsive to do so, an auto-trigger to give them such a rest. My premise is that when thoughtful posters sees pages and pages of Spraig/Judy/Shemp posts, they just slap their forehead and go away. Massive compulsive, drivel-prone, anger-spewing, peak posters drive away thoughtful posters. I susggest the following: * If over the next week, 10 people stand up and say they don't like this majority of (peak) posts by three posters, and ask to you to attempt to limit it to 10% each (aka the kindely request), then will you earnestly try to do so? * Same for Judy and Sparaig -- and others as they may arise over time. * If you are unable to control your urges to 10% of posts, will you agree to time-outs aka temporary suspensions to allow you time to regroup?. Lets say one week for the first time, two weeks for the second and subsequent times. If you (Shemp), Judy and Sparaig agree to this (in the next day or so), I will agree to the following: If 10 people don't stand up a make the kindly request, I will leave FFL. Thus illustrating that posters are driven away by a majority of posts by three people -- often drivel, anal-detailedness going nowhere, and ager vents, etc IMO. I have participated regularly on FFL for four years. I no longer care to if I have to wade through such majority sludge as cited above. If nine others stand up make the kindly request, then I think FFL can regain its health, vibrancy and friendly supportive environment of the past. If not, i think the trend, 40% === 60% ?, of posts by a few posters will continue as thoughtful posters drop out of the sludge, and the compulsive sludgers contine to jag on. Thus: I invite all posters to make the the kindely request: I don't like the majority of FFL (peak) posts being made by only three posters, and kindly ask to them to attempt to limit it to 10% each. Separate from the above, I invite all posters to consider taking a greener-pastures pledge: If i) Judy, Sparaig and Shemp agree to the earnestly try to each limit posts to 10% of total, if 10 people take make the kindly request. And if they are unable to do so , they agree to time-outs -- one week for the first time, two weeks for the second and subsequent times, and ii) 10 FFL memebers as a whole don't support this initiative, that is, less than 10 make the kindly request within a week of i) occurring, then the member state their intention to move on to forums that are less clogged with posts by a small minority --- posts which often have a drivel, venting, or nonrespective content. If several cycles of that doesn't work, I suggest that anyone can pull the stats and if someone is above 10% for a one-day or greater period, they are given a time-out for two weeks. Time-outs work for kids, and are hardly abusive. They help inform and provide feedback to people to help them get a grip. For compulsive, rude, or obnoxious for whom repeated group consensus to cool it' don't have an effect, then time-outs may be worth a try. I don't prefer the above time-outs. I prefer that 10 people stand up and say that they are sick of three people posting 50% or so of posts at peak times and ask them to please be become conscious of their effect of driving others away. Or we just start a new group, and don't give them the address. :) By the way, your stats are off. In Sept there have been 2841 posts. 130 by me. 4.5%. 6 a day. I like your idea of shooting for an average of 4. Some days, a bit more, some days a bit less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
You write too much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ If people don't want me here, just post that comment here on this thread and if enough people do so, I'll be happy to leave. Thats your perogative to take an all or nothing approach. But, of course, my suggestion was that posters try to keep within 10% of total posts. Otherwise to take a voluntary time out -- to regroup and reduce the urge for their compulsive jag -- and to form new habits, or if they are too compulsive to do so, an auto-trigger to give them such a rest. My premise is that when thoughtful posters sees pages and pages of Spraig/Judy/Shemp posts, they just slap their forehead and go away. Massive compulsive, drivel-prone, anger-spewing, peak posters drive away thoughtful posters. I susggest the following: * If over the next week, 10 people stand up and say they don't like this majority of (peak) posts by three posters, and ask to you to attempt to limit it to 10% each (aka the kindely request), then will you earnestly try to do so? * Same for Judy and Sparaig -- and others as they may arise over time. * If you are unable to control your urges to 10% of posts, will you agree to time-outs aka temporary suspensions to allow you time to regroup?. Lets say one week for the first time, two weeks for the second and subsequent times. If you (Shemp), Judy and Sparaig agree to this (in the next day or so), I will agree to the following: If 10 people don't stand up a make the kindly request, I will leave FFL. Thus illustrating that posters are driven away by a majority of posts by three people -- often drivel, anal-detailedness going nowhere, and ager vents, etc IMO. I have participated regularly on FFL for four years. I no longer care to if I have to wade through such majority sludge as cited above. If nine others stand up make the kindly request, then I think FFL can regain its health, vibrancy and friendly supportive environment of the past. If not, i think the trend, 40% === 60% ?, of posts by a few posters will continue as thoughtful posters drop out of the sludge, and the compulsive sludgers contine to jag on. Thus: I invite all posters to make the the kindely request: I don't like the majority of FFL (peak) posts being made by only three posters, and kindly ask to them to attempt to limit it to 10% each. Separate from the above, I invite all posters to consider taking a greener-pastures pledge: If i) Judy, Sparaig and Shemp agree to the earnestly try to each limit posts to 10% of total, if 10 people take make the kindly request. And if they are unable to do so , they agree to time-outs -- one week for the first time, two weeks for the second and subsequent times, and ii) 10 FFL memebers as a whole don't support this initiative, that is, less than 10 make the kindly request within a week of i) occurring, then the member state their intention to move on to forums that are less clogged with posts by a small minority --- posts which often have a drivel, venting, or nonrespective content. If several cycles of that doesn't work, I suggest that anyone can pull the stats and if someone is above 10% for a one-day or greater period, they are given a time-out for two weeks. Time-outs work for kids, and are hardly abusive. They help inform and provide feedback to people to help them get a grip. For compulsive, rude, or obnoxious for whom repeated group consensus to cool it' don't have an effect, then time-outs may be worth a try. I don't prefer the above time-outs. I prefer that 10 people stand up and say that they are sick of three people posting 50% or so of posts at peak times and ask them to please be become conscious of their effect of driving others away. Or we just start a new group, and don't give them the address. :) By the way, your stats are off. In Sept there have been 2841 posts. 130 by me. 4.5%. 6 a day. I like your idea of shooting for an average of 4. Some days, a bit more, some days a bit less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
My experience with JS goes back even before AMT. She and I were members of a mailing list in the early '90s. She posted like a demon to that, too. I commented to her once that I was amazed at how she found the time to post so much, and she responded, You have no idea. A billion posts later, her Energizer Bunny keeps going and going. FFL has become a cesspool, just as AMT did long ago. My 2 cents. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ If people don't want me here, just post that comment here on this thread and if enough people do so, I'll be happy to leave. Thats your perogative to take an all or nothing approach. But, of course, my suggestion was that posters try to keep within 10% of total posts. Otherwise to take a voluntary time out -- to regroup and reduce the urge for their compulsive jag -- and to form new habits, or if they are too compulsive to do so, an auto-trigger to give them such a rest. My premise is that when thoughtful posters sees pages and pages of Spraig/Judy/Shemp posts, they just slap their forehead and go away. Massive compulsive, drivel-prone, anger-spewing, peak posters drive away thoughtful posters. I susggest the following: * If over the next week, 10 people stand up and say they don't like this majority of (peak) posts by three posters, and ask to you to attempt to limit it to 10% each (aka the kindely request), then will you earnestly try to do so? * Same for Judy and Sparaig -- and others as they may arise over time. * If you are unable to control your urges to 10% of posts, will you agree to time-outs aka temporary suspensions to allow you time to regroup?. Lets say one week for the first time, two weeks for the second and subsequent times. If you (Shemp), Judy and Sparaig agree to this (in the next day or so), I will agree to the following: If 10 people don't stand up a make the kindly request, I will leave FFL. Thus illustrating that posters are driven away by a majority of posts by three people -- often drivel, anal-detailedness going nowhere, and ager vents, etc IMO. I have participated regularly on FFL for four years. I no longer care to if I have to wade through such majority sludge as cited above. If nine others stand up make the kindly request, then I think FFL can regain its health, vibrancy and friendly supportive environment of the past. If not, i think the trend, 40% === 60% ?, of posts by a few posters will continue as thoughtful posters drop out of the sludge, and the compulsive sludgers contine to jag on. Thus: I invite all posters to make the the kindely request: I don't like the majority of FFL (peak) posts being made by only three posters, and kindly ask to them to attempt to limit it to 10% each. Separate from the above, I invite all posters to consider taking a greener-pastures pledge: If i) Judy, Sparaig and Shemp agree to the earnestly try to each limit posts to 10% of total, if 10 people take make the kindly request. And if they are unable to do so , they agree to time-outs -- one week for the first time, two weeks for the second and subsequent times, and ii) 10 FFL memebers as a whole don't support this initiative, that is, less than 10 make the kindly request within a week of i) occurring, then the member state their intention to move on to forums that are less clogged with posts by a small minority --- posts which often have a drivel, venting, or nonrespective content. If several cycles of that doesn't work, I suggest that anyone can pull the stats and if someone is above 10% for a one-day or greater period, they are given a time-out for two weeks. Time-outs work for kids, and are hardly abusive. They help inform and provide feedback to people to help them get a grip. For compulsive, rude, or obnoxious for whom repeated group consensus to cool it' don't have an effect, then time-outs may be worth a try. I don't prefer the above time-outs. I prefer that 10 people stand up and say that they are sick of three people posting 50% or so of posts at peak times and ask them to please be become conscious of their effect of driving others away. Or we just start a new group, and don't give them the address. :) By the way, your stats are off. In Sept there have been 2841 posts. 130 by me. 4.5%. 6 a day. I like your idea of shooting for an average of 4. Some days, a bit more, some days a bit less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My experience with JS goes back even before AMT. She and I were members of a mailing list in the early '90s. She posted like a demon to that, too. I commented to her once that I was amazed at how she found the time to post so much, and she responded, You have no idea. I'm flattered you remember that response, but it looks like you've forgotten how you phrased your comment. (John Malkovitch fans may have a clue as to what it might have been like.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: My experience with JS goes back even before AMT. She and I were members of a mailing list in the early '90s. She posted like a demon to that, too. I commented to her once that I was amazed at how she found the time to post so much, and she responded, You have no idea. I'm flattered you remember that response, but it looks like you've forgotten how you phrased your comment. (John Malkovitch fans may have a clue as to what it might have been like.) I believe Judy is one of the fastest typists in this group. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I do not remember specifically what I said. Apparently you do, so please remind me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: My experience with JS goes back even before AMT. She and I were members of a mailing list in the early '90s. She posted like a demon to that, too. I commented to her once that I was amazed at how she found the time to post so much, and she responded, You have no idea. I'm flattered you remember that response, but it looks like you've forgotten how you phrased your comment. (John Malkovitch fans may have a clue as to what it might have been like.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My experience with JS goes back even before AMT. She and I were members of a mailing list in the early '90s. She posted like a demon to that, too. I commented to her once that I was amazed at how she found the time to post so much, and she responded, You have no idea. A billion posts later, her Energizer Bunny keeps going and going. FFL has become a cesspool, just as AMT did long ago. My 2 cents. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ If people don't want me here, just post that comment here on this thread and if enough people do so, I'll be happy to leave. Thats your perogative to take an all or nothing approach. But, of course, my suggestion was that posters try to keep within 10% of total posts. Otherwise to take a voluntary time out -- to regroup and reduce the urge for their compulsive jag -- and to form new habits, or if they are too compulsive to do so, an auto-trigger to give them such a rest. My premise is that when thoughtful posters sees pages and pages of Spraig/Judy/Shemp posts, they just slap their forehead and go away. Massive compulsive, drivel-prone, anger-spewing, peak posters drive away thoughtful posters. I susggest the following: * If over the next week, 10 people stand up and say they don't like this majority of (peak) posts by three posters, and ask to you to attempt to limit it to 10% each (aka the kindely request), then will you earnestly try to do so? I am going on record as making the kindly request to people who post more than 10%. This same idea has been presented before here on FFL. I guess these internet forums are vulnerable to this kind of behavior. I no longer ever read any of these posters who overpost, but it does somehow bring down the atmosphere just seeing the same few names over and over and over and over again.. * Same for Judy and Sparaig -- and others as they may arise over time. * If you are unable to control your urges to 10% of posts, will you agree to time-outs aka temporary suspensions to allow you time to regroup?. Lets say one week for the first time, two weeks for the second and subsequent times. If you (Shemp), Judy and Sparaig agree to this (in the next day or so), I will agree to the following: If 10 people don't stand up a make the kindly request, I will leave FFL. Thus illustrating that posters are driven away by a majority of posts by three people -- often drivel, anal-detailedness going nowhere, and ager vents, etc IMO. I have participated regularly on FFL for four years. I no longer care to if I have to wade through such majority sludge as cited above. If nine others stand up make the kindly request, then I think FFL can regain its health, vibrancy and friendly supportive environment of the past. If not, i think the trend, 40% === 60% ?, of posts by a few posters will continue as thoughtful posters drop out of the sludge, and the compulsive sludgers contine to jag on. Thus: I invite all posters to make the the kindely request: I don't like the majority of FFL (peak) posts being made by only three posters, and kindly ask to them to attempt to limit it to 10% each. Separate from the above, I invite all posters to consider taking a greener-pastures pledge: If i) Judy, Sparaig and Shemp agree to the earnestly try to each limit posts to 10% of total, if 10 people take make the kindly request. And if they are unable to do so , they agree to time-outs -- one week for the first time, two weeks for the second and subsequent times, and ii) 10 FFL memebers as a whole don't support this initiative, that is, less than 10 make the kindly request within a week of i) occurring, then the member state their intention to move on to forums that are less clogged with posts by a small minority --- posts which often have a drivel, venting, or nonrespective content. If several cycles of that doesn't work, I suggest that anyone can pull the stats and if someone is above 10% for a one-day or greater period, they are given a time-out for two weeks. Time-outs work for kids, and are hardly abusive. They help inform and provide feedback to people to help them get a grip. For compulsive, rude, or obnoxious for whom repeated group consensus to cool it' don't have an effect, then time-outs may be worth a try. I don't prefer the above time-outs. I prefer that 10 people stand up and say that they are sick of three people posting 50% or so of posts at peak times and ask them to please be become conscious of their effect of driving others away. Or we just start a new group, and don't give them the address. :) By the
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not remember specifically what I said. Apparently you do, so please remind me. Sorry, I don't remember specifically either. But my response quoted a famous line from a movie called Reversal of Fortune, about the murderer Klaus von Bulow, played by John Malkovich. At the end of a scene in von Bulow is talking to his lawyer, as he's leaving, the lawyer says, You're a very strange man, Mr. von Bulow. And von Bulow replies, chillingly, You have no idea. So I suspect you said something about what a strange person I was to make so many posts. I was making a funny, in other words. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: My experience with JS goes back even before AMT. She and I were members of a mailing list in the early '90s. She posted like a demon to that, too. I commented to her once that I was amazed at how she found the time to post so much, and she responded, You have no idea. I'm flattered you remember that response, but it looks like you've forgotten how you phrased your comment. (John Malkovitch fans may have a clue as to what it might have been like.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
I do remember. I asked you why you felt the need to work so hard defending TM to people who clearly could not be convinced to see things a different way. You replied, You have no idea. I took this to mean that you thought I had no idea how much energy you put into this or were capable of in the future. No derogatory remarks about you were made or implied. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: I do not remember specifically what I said. Apparently you do, so please remind me. Sorry, I don't remember specifically either. But my response quoted a famous line from a movie called Reversal of Fortune, about the murderer Klaus von Bulow, played by John Malkovich. At the end of a scene in von Bulow is talking to his lawyer, as he's leaving, the lawyer says, You're a very strange man, Mr. von Bulow. And von Bulow replies, chillingly, You have no idea. So I suspect you said something about what a strange person I was to make so many posts. I was making a funny, in other words. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: My experience with JS goes back even before AMT. She and I were members of a mailing list in the early '90s. She posted like a demon to that, too. I commented to her once that I was amazed at how she found the time to post so much, and she responded, You have no idea. I'm flattered you remember that response, but it looks like you've forgotten how you phrased your comment. (John Malkovitch fans may have a clue as to what it might have been like.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do remember. I asked you why you felt the need to work so hard defending TM to people who clearly could not be convinced to see things a different way. You replied, You have no idea. I took this to mean that you thought I had no idea how much energy you put into this or were capable of in the future. Well, it was a reference to the Malkovich line, and there must have been something in what you wrote for me to have used it. It was intended to be jocular; whatever you said, it struck me funny at the time. Looking at your reconstruction above, it was probably your notion that I felt the need to work hard, and my response really meant I wasn't putting anywhere near as much energy into it as you assumed, exactly the opposite of how you interpreted it. I guess I figured folks would recognize the line, remember Malkovich's over-the-top delivery, and realize I had meant it ironically. Sorry to have misled you all those years ago! Which forum was this, by the way? TMNews, perhaps? If so, that would have been well after I had started participating on alt.m.t in 1994. No derogatory remarks about you were made or implied. No problem. No offense taken either way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: I do not remember specifically what I said. Apparently you do, so please remind me. Sorry, I don't remember specifically either. But my response quoted a famous line from a movie called Reversal of Fortune, about the murderer Klaus von Bulow, played by John Malkovich. At the end of a scene in von Bulow is talking to his lawyer, as he's leaving, the lawyer says, You're a very strange man, Mr. von Bulow. And von Bulow replies, chillingly, You have no idea. So I suspect you said something about what a strange person I was to make so many posts. I was making a funny, in other words. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: My experience with JS goes back even before AMT. She and I were members of a mailing list in the early '90s. She posted like a demon to that, too. I commented to her once that I was amazed at how she found the time to post so much, and she responded, You have no idea. I'm flattered you remember that response, but it looks like you've forgotten how you phrased your comment. (John Malkovitch fans may have a clue as to what it might have been like.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ If people don't want me here, just post that comment here on this thread and if enough people do so, I'll be happy to leave. Thats your perogative to take an all or nothing approach. But, of course, my suggestion was that posters try to keep within 10% of total posts. Otherwise to take a voluntary time out -- to regroup and reduce the urge for their compulsive jag -- and to form new habits, or if they are too compulsive to do so, an auto-trigger to give them such a rest. My premise is that when thoughtful posters sees pages and pages of Spraig/Judy/Shemp posts, they just slap their forehead and go away. Massive compulsive, drivel-prone, anger-spewing, peak posters drive away thoughtful posters. I susggest the following: * If over the next week, 10 people stand up and say they don't like this majority of (peak) posts by three posters, and ask to you to attempt to limit it to 10% each (aka the kindely request), then will you earnestly try to do so? I am going on record as making the kindly request to people who post more than 10%. This same idea has been presented before here on FFL. I guess these internet forums are vulnerable to this kind of behavior. I no longer ever read any of these posters who overpost, but it does somehow bring down the atmosphere just seeing the same few names over and over and over and over again.. * Same for Judy and Sparaig -- and others as they may arise over time. * If you are unable to control your urges to 10% of posts, will you agree to time-outs aka temporary suspensions to allow you time to regroup?. Lets say one week for the first time, two weeks for the second and subsequent times. If you (Shemp), Judy and Sparaig agree to this (in the next day or so), I will agree to the following: If 10 people don't stand up a make the kindly request, I will leave FFL. Thus illustrating that posters are driven away by a majority of posts by three people -- often drivel, anal-detailedness going nowhere, and ager vents, etc IMO. I have participated regularly on FFL for four years. I no longer care to if I have to wade through such majority sludge as cited above. If nine others stand up make the kindly request, then I think FFL can regain its health, vibrancy and friendly supportive environment of the past. If not, i think the trend, 40% === 60% ?, of posts by a few posters will continue as thoughtful posters drop out of the sludge, and the compulsive sludgers contine to jag on. Thus: I invite all posters to make the the kindely request: I don't like the majority of FFL (peak) posts being made by only three posters, and kindly ask to them to attempt to limit it to 10% each. Separate from the above, I invite all posters to consider taking a greener-pastures pledge: If i) Judy, Sparaig and Shemp agree to the earnestly try to each limit posts to 10% of total, if 10 people take make the kindly request. And if they are unable to do so , they agree to time-outs -- one week for the first time, two weeks for the second and subsequent times, and ii) 10 FFL memebers as a whole don't support this initiative, that is, less than 10 make the kindly request within a week of i) occurring, then the member state their intention to move on to forums that are less clogged with posts by a small minority --- posts which often have a drivel, venting, or nonrespective content. If several cycles of that doesn't work, I suggest that anyone can pull the stats and if someone is above 10% for a one-day or greater period, they are given a time-out for two weeks. Time-outs work for kids, and are hardly abusive. They help inform and provide feedback to people to help them get a grip. For compulsive, rude, or obnoxious for whom repeated group consensus to cool it' don't have an effect, then time-outs may be worth a try. I don't prefer the above time-outs. I prefer that 10 people stand up and say that they are sick of three people posting 50% or so of posts at peak times and ask them to please be become conscious of their effect of driving others away. Or we just start a new group, and don't give them the address. :) By the way, your stats are off. In Sept there have been 2841 posts. 130 by me. 4.5%. 6 a day. I like your idea of shooting for an average of 4. Some days, a bit more, some days a bit less. It appears that the people who overpost are not stepping up and saying that they are going to change or that they
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ If people don't want me here, just post that comment here on this thread and if enough people do so, I'll be happy to leave. Thats your perogative to take an all or nothing approach. But, of course, my suggestion was that posters try to keep within 10% of total posts. Otherwise to take a voluntary time out -- to regroup and reduce the urge for their compulsive jag -- and to form new habits, or if they are too compulsive to do so, an auto-trigger to give them such a rest. My premise is that when thoughtful posters sees pages and pages of Spraig/Judy/Shemp posts, they just slap their forehead and go away. Massive compulsive, drivel-prone, anger-spewing, peak posters drive away thoughtful posters. I susggest the following: * If over the next week, 10 people stand up and say they don't like this majority of (peak) posts by three posters, and ask to you to attempt to limit it to 10% each (aka the kindely request), then will you earnestly try to do so? * Same for Judy and Sparaig -- and others as they may arise over time. * If you are unable to control your urges to 10% of posts, will you agree to time-outs aka temporary suspensions to allow you time to regroup?. Lets say one week for the first time, two weeks for the second and subsequent times. If you (Shemp), Judy and Sparaig agree to this (in the next day or so), I will agree to the following: If 10 people don't stand up a make the kindly request, I will leave FFL. Thus illustrating that posters are driven away by a majority of posts by three people -- often drivel, anal-detailedness going nowhere, and ager vents, etc IMO. I have participated regularly on FFL for four years. I no longer care to if I have to wade through such majority sludge as cited above. If nine others stand up make the kindly request, then I think FFL can regain its health, vibrancy and friendly supportive environment of the past. If not, i think the trend, 40% === 60% ?, of posts by a few posters will continue as thoughtful posters drop out of the sludge, and the compulsive sludgers contine to jag on. Thus: I invite all posters to make the the kindely request: I don't like the majority of FFL (peak) posts being made by only three posters, and kindly ask to them to attempt to limit it to 10% each. Separate from the above, I invite all posters to consider taking a greener-pastures pledge: If i) Judy, Sparaig and Shemp agree to the earnestly try to each limit posts to 10% of total, if 10 people take make the kindly request. And if they are unable to do so , they agree to time-outs -- one week for the first time, two weeks for the second and subsequent times, and ii) 10 FFL memebers as a whole don't support this initiative, that is, less than 10 make the kindly request within a week of i) occurring, then the member state their intention to move on to forums that are less clogged with posts by a small minority --- posts which often have a drivel, venting, or nonrespective content. If several cycles of that doesn't work, I suggest that anyone can pull the stats and if someone is above 10% for a one-day or greater period, they are given a time-out for two weeks. Time-outs work for kids, and are hardly abusive. They help inform and provide feedback to people to help them get a grip. For compulsive, rude, or obnoxious for whom repeated group consensus to cool it' don't have an effect, then time-outs may be worth a try. I don't prefer the above time-outs. I prefer that 10 people stand up and say that they are sick of three people posting 50% or so of posts at peak times and ask them to please be become conscious of their effect of driving others away. Or we just start a new group, and don't give them the address. :) By the way, your stats are off. In Sept there have been 2841 posts. 130 by me. 4.5%. 6 a day. I like your idea of shooting for an average of 4. Some days, a bit more, some days a bit less. I support the idea, I'd just make it three strikes and you're out. There are already a number of invitation only FFL spinoffs they don't have the address of... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that the people who overpost are not stepping up and saying that they are going to change or that they care about or understand what the FFL community has said to them, in fairly gentle and kind terms. Well, Shemp said he would leave if people said he was posting too much -- or something like that. No one is asking anyone to leave -- but as you say, if they cannot reform a bit, with feedback, then something measures may be appropriate. Like the time out. Amd Baqrry seems to be responding weel to feedback. Much of it his own stats. Lets see over a day or two if feedback helps induce Judy and Sparaig to reduce excessive posts (above 10%) amd improve tone if appropriate. Six posters / readers have stood up and said they dislike the excessive posting and/or tone of massive posters. I suspect four or (many) more will do so soon. I don't know if this is possible, but if there is an automatic feature on chat rooms that just witholds posts from any person who has been overposting I don't thinks so. But its easy to implement. If 10 people support the time-out system, I think the moderators would be in accord with, modestly bound to in a way, implementing a ban of excessive posters. And various people monitor the %'s -- its fast and easy to do. So, Its pretty automatic. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that the people who overpost are not stepping up and saying that they are going to change or that they care about or understand what the FFL community has said to them, in fairly gentle and kind terms. Well, Shemp said he would leave if people said he was posting too much -- or something like that. No one is asking anyone to leave -- but as you say, if they cannot reform a bit, with feedback, then something measures may be appropriate. Like the time out. Amd Barry seems to be responding well to feedback. Much of it his own stats. Lets see over a day or two if feedback helps induce Judy and Sparaig to reduce excessive posts (above 10%) amd improve tone -- if appropriate. Seven posters / readers have stood up and said they dislike the excessive posting and/or tone of massive posters. I suspect three or (many) more will do so soon. I don't know if this is possible, but if there is an automatic feature on chat rooms that just witholds posts from any person who has been overposting I don't thinks so. But its easy to implement. If 10 people support the time-out system, I think the moderators would be in accord with, modestly bound to in a way, implementing a ban of excessive posters. And various people monitor the %'s -- its fast and easy to do. So, Its pretty automatic. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: I do remember. I asked you why you felt the need to work so hard defending TM to people who clearly could not be convinced to see things a different way. You replied, You have no idea. I took this to mean that you thought I had no idea how much energy you put into this or were capable of in the future. Well, it was a reference to the Malkovich line, and there must have been something in what you wrote for me to have used it. It was intended to be jocular; whatever you said, it struck me funny at the time. Looking at your reconstruction above, it was probably your notion that I felt the need to work hard, and my response really meant I wasn't putting anywhere near as much energy into it as you assumed, exactly the opposite of how you interpreted it. I guess I figured folks would recognize the line, remember Malkovich's over-the-top delivery, and realize I had meant it ironically. Sorry to have misled you all those years ago! Which forum was this, by the way? TMNews, perhaps? If so, that would have been well after I had started participating on alt.m.t in 1994. It was an email list. I forget the name of the founder/moderator. Some guy in Kalifornia. I think that was probably '92 or '93. I don't think AMT really much existed yet. People have been talking TM on the Internet for a very long time, in Internet years. I was not yet a Malkovich fan at the time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: I do remember. I asked you why you felt the need to work so hard defending TM to people who clearly could not be convinced to see things a different way. You replied, You have no idea. I took this to mean that you thought I had no idea how much energy you put into this or were capable of in the future. Well, it was a reference to the Malkovich line, and there must have been something in what you wrote for me to have used it. It was intended to be jocular; whatever you said, it struck me funny at the time. Looking at your reconstruction above, it was probably your notion that I felt the need to work hard, and my response really meant I wasn't putting anywhere near as much energy into it as you assumed, exactly the opposite of how you interpreted it. I guess I figured folks would recognize the line, remember Malkovich's over-the-top delivery, and realize I had meant it ironically. Sorry to have misled you all those years ago! Which forum was this, by the way? TMNews, perhaps? If so, that would have been well after I had started participating on alt.m.t in 1994. It was an email list. I forget the name of the founder/moderator. Some guy in Kalifornia. I think that was probably '92 or '93. I don't think AMT really much existed yet. People have been talking TM on the Internet for a very long time, in Internet years. I was not yet a Malkovich fan at the time. james cooke? i was on that list. as lurker. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: snip It was an email list. I forget the name of the founder/moderator. Some guy in Kalifornia. I think that was probably '92 or '93. I don't think AMT really much existed yet. People have been talking TM on the Internet for a very long time, in Internet years. I was not yet a Malkovich fan at the time. james cooke? Oh, the old TM list. Maybe that's what he's talking about. But I wasn't on that list until after I'd joined alt.m.t in 1994. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Which forum was this, by the way? TMNews, perhaps? If so, that would have been well after I had started participating on alt.m.t in 1994. It was an email list. I forget the name of the founder/moderator. Some guy in Kalifornia. I think that was probably '92 or '93. I don't think AMT really much existed yet. Well, that's a puzzlement, because alt.m.t was my first venture onto the Internet, in 1994 (it began in 1993, I believe). I wasn't on any email lists until sometime later. Prior to that, I'd been on various bulletin board networks-- RelayNet and so on. But that doesn't seem to be what you're talking about. People have been talking TM on the Internet for a very long time, in Internet years. I was not yet a Malkovich fan at the time. Apparently not. Again, I'm sorry to have misled you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Which forum was this, by the way? TMNews, perhaps? If so, that would have been well after I had started participating on alt.m.t in 1994. It was an email list. I forget the name of the founder/moderator. Some guy in Kalifornia. I think that was probably '92 or '93. I don't think AMT really much existed yet. Well, that's a puzzlement, because alt.m.t was my first venture onto the Internet, in 1994 (it began in 1993, I believe). I wasn't on any email lists until sometime later. Prior to that, I'd been on various bulletin board networks-- RelayNet and so on. But that doesn't seem to be what you're talking about. People have been talking TM on the Internet for a very long time, in Internet years. I was not yet a Malkovich fan at the time. Apparently not. Again, I'm sorry to have misled you. It was John Cooke's list. My remembrance of how far back that goes is apparently off. Still, AMT was pretty young. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
---Interesting idea, but the fact that a few posters post disproportionate numbers of posts is an example of a typical power law associated with internet-type phenomena; and widespread in economics. Briefly, there are many types of distributions, foremost among the standard normal distribution, in which we can expect a very long tail: i.e. the people down on the scale still contribute a significant number of entries. However, in internet (and other) power laws, a small number of contributors contribute MOST of the entries, and the tail trails off rather abruptly. Take, for example, automobile manufacturers during the 30's and into the 50's. The numbers of contributors declined, with most of the autos being manufactured by small numbers of Companies. At any rate, the three poster phenomenon is simply typical of types of distributions found in economics, in nature, and in the very structure of the internet. How many types of search engines do people use? 3 big ones. How many auto manufacturers manufacture 90% of the autos? About 5. At any rate, this is simply a type of natural phenomenon and the three muskateers can't help themselves. It's a typical power law distribution. at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: I do not remember specifically what I said. Apparently you do, so please remind me. Sorry, I don't remember specifically either. But my response quoted a famous line from a movie called Reversal of Fortune, about the murderer Klaus von Bulow, played by John Malkovich. At the end of a scene in von Bulow is talking to his lawyer, as he's leaving, the lawyer says, You're a very strange man, Mr. von Bulow. And von Bulow replies, chillingly, You have no idea. So I suspect you said something about what a strange person I was to make so many posts. I was making a funny, in other words. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: My experience with JS goes back even before AMT. She and I were members of a mailing list in the early '90s. She posted like a demon to that, too. I commented to her once that I was amazed at how she found the time to post so much, and she responded, You have no idea. I'm flattered you remember that response, but it looks like you've forgotten how you phrased your comment. (John Malkovitch fans may have a clue as to what it might have been like.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate 55%off FFL Posts by Three Posters. Give them time-outs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Interesting idea, but the fact that a few posters post disproportionate numbers of posts is an example of a typical power law associated with internet-type phenomena; and widespread in economics. Briefly, there are many types of distributions, foremost among the standard normal distribution, in which we can expect a very long tail: i.e. the people down on the scale still contribute a significant number of entries. However, in internet (and other) power laws, a small number of contributors contribute MOST of the entries, and the tail trails off rather abruptly. Take, for example, automobile manufacturers during the 30's and into the 50's. The numbers of contributors declined, with most of the autos being manufactured by small numbers of Companies. At any rate, the three poster phenomenon is simply typical of types of distributions found in economics, in nature, and in the very structure of the internet. How many types of search engines do people use? 3 big ones. How many auto manufacturers manufacture 90% of the autos? About 5. At any rate, this is simply a type of natural phenomenon and the three muskateers can't help themselves. It's a typical power law distribution. Interesting observation. In sales, the standard is: 80% of the sales is done by 20% of the salesforce. at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: I do not remember specifically what I said. Apparently you do, so please remind me. Sorry, I don't remember specifically either. But my response quoted a famous line from a movie called Reversal of Fortune, about the murderer Klaus von Bulow, played by John Malkovich. At the end of a scene in von Bulow is talking to his lawyer, as he's leaving, the lawyer says, You're a very strange man, Mr. von Bulow. And von Bulow replies, chillingly, You have no idea. So I suspect you said something about what a strange person I was to make so many posts. I was making a funny, in other words. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: My experience with JS goes back even before AMT. She and I were members of a mailing list in the early '90s. She posted like a demon to that, too. I commented to her once that I was amazed at how she found the time to post so much, and she responded, You have no idea. I'm flattered you remember that response, but it looks like you've forgotten how you phrased your comment. (John Malkovitch fans may have a clue as to what it might have been like.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I support the idea, I'd just make it three strikes and you're out. There are already a number of invitation only FFL spinoffs they don't have the address of... I'm hurt. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
