[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
jstein wrote: Barry. Read the context. This had to do with something Rory said. I had to give some of the backstory, or the connection wouldn't have made any sense. I'm sorry it embarrasses you, but them's the breaks, I'm afraid. It's almost always about Barry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-11 Thread cardemaister
hetu-dvayaM hi cittasya vaasanaa ca samiiraNaH. tayor vinaSTa ekasmiMs tad dvaav api vinashyataH. tayor aadau **samiirasya jayaM** kuryaan naraH sadaa!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-11 Thread martyboi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard SSRS use these very words. I've often found that the highest practices are often the most simple practices.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: I heard SSRS use these very words. MMY says much the same thing, of course. I've often found that the highest practices are often the most simple

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I see her quite differently, now that my own anger/hurt/ blame around the TMO has been healed. Essentially in this bodymind of awareness, she's a Dharmapala of practically perfect diamond-mind! Needless, perhaps,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a very odd resonance to it, however, that Rory will probably find of interest. A couple of years ago on alt.m.t, Barry took to referring to me not by name but as the pig. That was amusing, to say the least.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: There's a very odd resonance to it, however, that Rory will probably find of interest. A couple of years ago on alt.m.t, Barry took to referring

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-10 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Needless, perhaps, to say, I'm thoroughly enjoying this discussion. ;-) There's a very odd resonance to it, however, that Rory will probably find of interest. I did, Judy; many thanks! A few additional comments

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Check out the link, Rory. Then click on the Back button on the left of the page to see what it's an image of (if you don't recognize it). I had discovered it while surfing one day and thought it seemed a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-09 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not necessarily a good thing to confuse future-self and present- self. See, this was part of the Awakening for me -- That Awakening to viscerally realize That is the container of time and space, of the illusion of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-09 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: It's not necessarily a good thing to confuse future-self and present- self. See, this was part of the Awakening for me I was thinking the it would be fun

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-09 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: It's not necessarily a good thing to confuse future-self and present- self. See, this was part of the Awakening for me -- That Awakening to viscerally

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread Vaj
On Jun 7, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Rory Goff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not my experience of non-proliferation of karmic winds at all, although your description was very colorful. Thank you. I did not go into detail yet again on early

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique administered to thousands or millions of people without personalized instruction: Let's just say that what you are saying is true. What is your alternative? You have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique administered to thousands or millions of people without personalized instruction: Let's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread Vaj
On Jun 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, boo_lives wrote: Here is my theory on spiritual practice: Because we do it by ourselves, like many other actions, like sleeping, waking, breathing, etc. it should be as simple and easy to learn and do as possible. In my experience and reflection, that is how

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread qntmpkt
--Right! Vaj's Guru, Norbu Rinpoche is not a great teaching Guru. He only has a few hundred disciples and his best technique is the Dance of the Vajra a type of dance done on top of a mandala to the accompanyment of various Tibetan instruments. Basically, Vaj reminds me of those Christian

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique administered to thousands or millions of people without personalized instruction: I don't know where you're getting this from; I certainly received all the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread Peter
--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know where you're getting this from; I certainly received all the personalized instruction I needed -- both externally and (when ready) internally. Did you not get the instruction to leave when it was time? :-) Ha! The most difficult

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread Vaj
On Jun 8, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Rory Goff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique administered to thousands or millions of people without personalized instruction: I don't know where you're getting this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not everyone is as fortunate as we have been Rory. I did not get that instruction. I just knew it was...and left. Yes, that's what I mean about getting that instruction. Much of the really good stuff is on that level of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great expression, though I'd like to add that the awakened hearts of others who don't participate actively in any spiritual practice or meditation also find the Self friendly and blissful and attractive and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're likely skrying a future self of your own intentionality, not necessarily her own. Only insofar as everyone is my past-present-futureself. That particular dharma holds no real futurebliss for this-individual me,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Great expression, though I'd like to add that the awakened hearts of others who don't participate actively in any spiritual practice or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim: Let's just say that what you are saying is true. What is your alternative? You have been at this same message for years, and yet never propose a workable alternative. Jimbo! It sounds like you've not been listening!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: I think you're likely skrying a future self of your own intentionality, not necessarily her own. Only insofar as everyone is my past-present-futureself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. snip It has been an automatic *result* of the TM/TMSP (and in the pathless path

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. I'm very pleased you understand this concept as many TM'ers are poorly educated

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. I'm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be interesting if you could share your experience here...vis-a-vis this subject of prana. My experience has been that Prana is like the covering of the Bodily Light; the more it is effortlessly surrendered into

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread Vaj
On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:04 PM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. I'm very pleased you understand

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The prana is the vitality of the physical body and the vehicle of the soul (jivatman) which enables it to communicate with the world, it's not the soul per-se but the vehicle

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread Vaj
On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Rory Goff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and Buddhist tantra. It is not taught in TM or the TMSP. snip --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Rory Goff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This is an important technique and taught in many of the higher yogas of both Hindu and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not my experience of non-proliferation of karmic winds at all, although your description was very colorful. Thank you. I did not go into detail yet again on early experiences of refinement/cessation of breath and the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, *its* real signs are indeed unmistakable once realized; the Self alone recognizes the Self. Oddly enough, no one else does, I find :-) *L*L*L* Great expression, though I'd like to add that the awakened hearts of