Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
On 10/18/2014 3:36 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: yes, the Barster was holding back on us. > He doesn't want to talk about it very much. Maybe the memories are just too painful. Or, maybe he never really was in the inner circle of the cult, just another student attending some computer training sessions. Or, maybe he was one of the top cult leaders - maybe he still wants to keep secrets concerning the special kundalini techniques he learned. Go figure. /"There was a real Nadia, although she was// //German and the incident didn't really// //happen to Rama. It happened to one of// //his students, who told Rama about it and// //was later rather surprised to see the whole// //story in Snowboarding To Nirvana.// // //For the record, I thought that second book// //sucked dead dogs, and the first, Surfing// //The Himalayas, was awful compared to his// //earlier writings (now almost all out of print).// //There is a rumor, which I happen to believe,// //that he didn't even write the second book,// //but had it mainly ghost-written for him by// //one of his students, and then just rewrote// //and edited the result."/ Subject: Fwap! Author: willytex Group: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: August 8, 2002 http://tinyurl.com/oqj67tb > Claims to have left the Rama mindset, but was secretly promoting the "pushing of buttons" agenda. Aw, Barry, tsk, tsk tsk. You knew that truth was going to leak out. But, Barry has become more like a door bell button pusher. Like maybe some of us were, as children. Push the door bell, then go and hide behind the bushes. Provides a momentary thrill, but not much else. Time to grow up!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: *TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, **by Mark E. Laxer. *Available on the link that Richard posted. * * Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward. "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned. "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == "Are you Rama?" someone asked. "Yes," he replied. "I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All I can say is: I don't think Barry gives a damn what I think about him. Nothing you have said is accurate except in your own mind and I don't cozy up to anyone, I just am willing to tell the truth. Actually MJ, he does care. Because I can guarantee you, if you in some way either ever disagreed with him or was critical of him in any way he would decide he doesn't like you and, if you kept it up, he would pretend you were on his fantasy no-read list. So, in fact bawee cares a lot. Go ahead and give it a try, just for an experiment. I'm sure Sal would be happy to take notes and chart the results.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, this bit was hilarious! having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Really Fleetwood?! You're laughing at someone's difficult childhood?! I don't think that's very compassionate. Share you really are the most random person. You skip over and ignore the plethora of insults, negative comments and ganging up around here that happens in multiples of twelve and yet you pick out this one little comment by Mac? Really? It's like you've been dozing for a couple of days, then kind of look up blearily and decide the first thing you see is not to your liking, call the poster a bully or non compassionate and yet all around you there are multiples of the same and worse.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
I think what we're seeing Michael, is that some of the tendencies Barry has, such as a 35 year habit of "pushing people's buttons" in the name of "cult research" and enabling people to "understand themselves better" are just tendencies he picked up from his time with "that Rama guy" It just helps to understand the mindset a little better. I wouldn't expect this to make sense to you, since you have your own issues along these lines, but I'll throw it out anyway. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. > The "Zen Master Rama" took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). > Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. > Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
yes, the Barster was holding back on us. Claims to have left the Rama mindset, but was secretly promoting the "pushing of buttons" agenda. Aw, Barry, tsk, tsk tsk. You knew that truth was going to leak out. But, Barry has become more like a door bell button pusher. Like maybe some of us were, as children. Push the door bell, then go and hide behind the bushes. Provides a momentary thrill, but not much else. Time to grow up!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward. "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned. "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == "Are you Rama?" someone asked. "Yes," he replied. "I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu..." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. > You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about "Rama shit" a few months ago! "I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night." - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Gro
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
On 10/18/2014 12:38 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: He would then get his drugged out, sleepless zombies together, haul them out to the desert at 2 AM, > /You are incorrect - Lenz did not "haul" anyone out to the desert. After paying him $1000 for the map to the secret meeting place, Lenz would drive in his own Porsche 911 to the event - all the others were on their own. That's why it would be such a challenge - to park 200 cars in a desert parking lot designed for only twenty - now that's complicated. / > and maybe dance around, and then ask, "What did you see?" He would wait until someone volunteered that he was flying/invisible/transformed into light/godlike, and then simply agree. After this "evidence" was presented, others would agree that they had seen it too - very 'witches of Salem', only in reverse, so that those in attendance, self-deluded themselves into "seeing" all sorts of miracles, from "Zen Master Rama, The Living God". Lots of peer pressure. Lenz was also a master at pitting his "students" against each other - This is why Barry thrives on conflict, vs. discussion. This is why he keeps tiredly bringing up these fake "supernatural" events - He can't believe, yet, that he, along with many others, was duped, exploited, and abused. Horribly abused. I can imagine Lenz making cruel fun of Barry, publicly, as he did with anyone he perceived as the slightest threat, and Barry trying to laugh about his own, open castigation and shaming, from a man he respected, and possibly loved, and then having to pony up serious cash, for another month, of doing more of the same. For years. Makes me shudder, the damage that was inflicted.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
On 10/18/2014 10:06 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: "Rama" was all about fear and imagination. > /Rama was all about making money - that's why he started teaching computer science and charging $1,000 per training session./ > The guy never got even a millimeter off the ground, or accomplished any other "feats". > /You may be correct about the levitation, but he did get millions of dollars from his students - that is quite a feat//in itself./ > You were in a trance, and brainwashed, Barry. He also did LOTS of LSD, which he encouraged his followers to use, in addition to keeping you in a constant state of sleep deprivation. > /That's the whole point - to go out to the desert in the middle of the night with a large group and drop LSD and get crazy with no sleep and go into a trance. That's what hippies do, Jim./ > What about being in an abusive cult, don't you get? You are in DEEP DENIAL about how cruel and horrible a person, Freddie was, because you continue to emulate him. > /Barry does resemble Fred is some interesting ways: Narcissism and paranoia at times; love of travel and walking dogs; computer science and the internet; music and watching and commenting on movies and TV; and writing fictional accounts of meetings with remarkable men. / > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : *From:* "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" *Sent:* Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind "levitation" crap, too. Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple of thousand of them, total. Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not.
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All I can say is: I don't think Barry gives a damn what I think about him. Nothing you have said is accurate except in your own mind and I don't cozy up to anyone, I just am willing to tell the truth. From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind Yes, you should hang out with Barry more, as you know nothing about him, except what he has spoon-fed you. Everything I have said is accurate. Look a little deeper, than simply cozying up to him, just because he too, professes to dislike Maharishi as much as you do (another Lenz trick - the enemy of my enemy is my friend). Just as he was, you are being played for a fool. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Not that Turq needs anyone to defend him, but I must say: "he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially" - exactly what Marshy did even though you won't admit it since your sense of self is so caught up in his saintly image. "Barry has no money...Barry has no friends or family... Barry has made no spiritual progress... Barry has no girlfriends..." All absurd pronouncements that you have no way of knowing the truth or falsity of. Especially the one about no spiritual progress. The fact that you feel he must agree that you are enlightened and that Marshy was a saint and TM is good for him to be considered spiritually evolved doesn't say much for your own state of mind. "Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him" I can't vouch for what Barry was like after he left the Rama deal, I only know him from his posts here and his other writing he has made available online. He strikes me as being intelligent, discerning and a damn good writer, if a bit profane. He appears to me through his written words to have come through his experiences with Marshy, the Movement and Rama relatively unscathed. He at least no longer follows such hucksters like Benjy Creme or Amma or any of the other fakers on the spiritual scene. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It is what Barry has NOT said that tells the story. Lenz was not only a con-artist, makes it sound like he was bouncing checks, or skipping out on parking tickets. No, Michael, he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially. Barry has no money - He spent it all on Lenz. Barry has no friends or family, because he was taught for ten years to avoid them. Barry has made no spiritual progress, because spiritual criminals have no interest in their chumps. Barry has no girlfriends because Lenz confused him greatly about responsibility and love. Barry continues to believe in dark forces, and dream world conflicts, and portals, and the "bardo" in everyday life, because he was thoroughly indoctrinated. Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him. So, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya, but you are aligned with the biggest cultist, brainwashed "master" follower, who has ever contributed to FFL. Congratulations, and good luck with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. ____ From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, t
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On 10/18/2014 9:13 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Somewhat more believable, actually. > /It's beginning to look like we have another case of cognitive dissonance - Michael confronted by the reality that his hero Barry is nothing but another cult informant. This is really going to confuse MJ - because if what these two guys have been saying is t//rue//, then they are themselves two of the most screwed up individuals on the entire planet. Almost a total mix-up confabulation session! > / One could easily produce depositions from hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. > /It should be noted that nowhere in any of his writings or lecture videos does Frederick Lenz claim to be able to levitate himself up off of a sofa. > / Possibly a couple of thousand of them, total. > /Apparently Barry got real mixed up and went over to being a True Believer, imagining that Lenz was God Vishnu. Barry used to print up posters and tack them up all over L.A. with photos of Lenz with titles like: "This man can turn a room GOLD in 60 seconds." Apparently that's what got Barry kicked out of the cult - making up fabricated stories about Lenz having para-normal powers. In many cases it's the followers that make the teacher seem like a fool. Case in point. //"I am enlightened in the classic sense," Lenz says, but insists, "It's not a big deal. This is not having godlike qualities." - Fredrick Lenz// /> Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not. > /In fact, Frederick Philip Lenz, III, Ph.D. was a really smart guy - a senior systems architect in computer science. He would probably have been the first one to deny that learning computer science would produce the ability for anyone to levitate or vice-versa./ Work cited: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Lenz#Books The Washington Post, January 11, 1996, Thursday, Final Edition
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Yes, you should hang out with Barry more, as you know nothing about him, except what he has spoon-fed you. Everything I have said is accurate. Look a little deeper, than simply cozying up to him, just because he too, professes to dislike Maharishi as much as you do (another Lenz trick - the enemy of my enemy is my friend). Just as he was, you are being played for a fool. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Not that Turq needs anyone to defend him, but I must say: "he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially" - exactly what Marshy did even though you won't admit it since your sense of self is so caught up in his saintly image. "Barry has no money...Barry has no friends or family... Barry has made no spiritual progress... Barry has no girlfriends..." All absurd pronouncements that you have no way of knowing the truth or falsity of. Especially the one about no spiritual progress. The fact that you feel he must agree that you are enlightened and that Marshy was a saint and TM is good for him to be considered spiritually evolved doesn't say much for your own state of mind. "Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him" I can't vouch for what Barry was like after he left the Rama deal, I only know him from his posts here and his other writing he has made available online. He strikes me as being intelligent, discerning and a damn good writer, if a bit profane. He appears to me through his written words to have come through his experiences with Marshy, the Movement and Rama relatively unscathed. He at least no longer follows such hucksters like Benjy Creme or Amma or any of the other fakers on the spiritual scene. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It is what Barry has NOT said that tells the story. Lenz was not only a con-artist, makes it sound like he was bouncing checks, or skipping out on parking tickets. No, Michael, he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially. Barry has no money - He spent it all on Lenz. Barry has no friends or family, because he was taught for ten years to avoid them. Barry has made no spiritual progress, because spiritual criminals have no interest in their chumps. Barry has no girlfriends because Lenz confused him greatly about responsibility and love. Barry continues to believe in dark forces, and dream world conflicts, and portals, and the "bardo" in everyday life, because he was thoroughly indoctrinated. Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him. So, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya, but you are aligned with the biggest cultist, brainwashed "master" follower, who has ever contributed to FFL. Congratulations, and good luck with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. > The "Zen Master Rama" took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escap
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. You think too much MJ, much better to go with the flow and slag Barry off for something that happened decades ago. It also beats examining whether you're still in the sort of situation that Barry's tales of life with Rama cautions about. Live and learn. Or not. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. > The "Zen Master Rama" took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). > Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. > Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people
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Not that Turq needs anyone to defend him, but I must say: "he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially" - exactly what Marshy did even though you won't admit it since your sense of self is so caught up in his saintly image. "Barry has no money...Barry has no friends or family... Barry has made no spiritual progress... Barry has no girlfriends..." All absurd pronouncements that you have no way of knowing the truth or falsity of. Especially the one about no spiritual progress. The fact that you feel he must agree that you are enlightened and that Marshy was a saint and TM is good for him to be considered spiritually evolved doesn't say much for your own state of mind. "Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him" I can't vouch for what Barry was like after he left the Rama deal, I only know him from his posts here and his other writing he has made available online. He strikes me as being intelligent, discerning and a damn good writer, if a bit profane. He appears to me through his written words to have come through his experiences with Marshy, the Movement and Rama relatively unscathed. He at least no longer follows such hucksters like Benjy Creme or Amma or any of the other fakers on the spiritual scene. From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It is what Barry has NOT said that tells the story. Lenz was not only a con-artist, makes it sound like he was bouncing checks, or skipping out on parking tickets. No, Michael, he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially. Barry has no money - He spent it all on Lenz. Barry has no friends or family, because he was taught for ten years to avoid them. Barry has made no spiritual progress, because spiritual criminals have no interest in their chumps. Barry has no girlfriends because Lenz confused him greatly about responsibility and love. Barry continues to believe in dark forces, and dream world conflicts, and portals, and the "bardo" in everyday life, because he was thoroughly indoctrinated. Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him. So, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya, but you are aligned with the biggest cultist, brainwashed "master" follower, who has ever contributed to FFL. Congratulations, and good luck with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: >>>>Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. >>>> > >>>The "Zen Master Rama" took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? >>> >>>Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in wh
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Yeah, this bit was hilarious! having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Really Fleetwood?! You're laughing at someone's difficult childhood?! I don't think that's very compassionate. On Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:42 PM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:48 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Heis someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser. > You don't get much more hoodwinked than Barry has been hoodwinked - apparently his entire life. Even his early childhood is marked by the cognitive dissonance of a typical military brat. You have to realize what he's probably been through: moved around all over the world every few years to live in some god-forsaken backwater with people whose language he couldn't even understand; jerked out of school in the middle of a semester and forced to go to new schools in a strange place he never even heard of; having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. Gawd!!! He was probably screwed up by age ten. Go figure.
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It is what Barry has NOT said that tells the story. Lenz was not only a con-artist, makes it sound like he was bouncing checks, or skipping out on parking tickets. No, Michael, he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially. Barry has no money - He spent it all on Lenz. Barry has no friends or family, because he was taught for ten years to avoid them. Barry has made no spiritual progress, because spiritual criminals have no interest in their chumps. Barry has no girlfriends because Lenz confused him greatly about responsibility and love. Barry continues to believe in dark forces, and dream world conflicts, and portals, and the "bardo" in everyday life, because he was thoroughly indoctrinated. Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him. So, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya, but you are aligned with the biggest cultist, brainwashed "master" follower, who has ever contributed to FFL. Congratulations, and good luck with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. > The "Zen Master Rama" took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). > Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. > Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailt
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Really Fleetwood?! You're laughing at someone's difficult childhood?! I don't think that's very compassionate. On Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:42 PM, "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:48 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Heis someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser. > >You don't get much more hoodwinked than Barry has been hoodwinked - apparently his entire life. Even his early childhood is marked by the cognitive dissonance of a typical military brat. You have to realize what he's probably been through: moved around all over the world every few years to live in some god-forsaken backwater with people whose language he couldn't even understand; jerked out of school in the middle of a semester and forced to go to new schools in a strange place he never even heard of; having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. Gawd!!! > >He was probably screwed up by age ten. Go figure. >
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It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: >>>Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. >>> > >>The "Zen Master Rama" took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? >> >>Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. >> >>When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). >>> >> >>Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. >>> > >>Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. >>> >> >> >>> >>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : >>> >>> >>>Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. >>> >>> >>>But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. >>> >>> >>>And as in most religions, some things get distorted. >>> >>> >>>Helps to explain things, I think. (-: >>> >>> >>> >>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : >>> >>> >>>If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. >>> >>> >>>Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: >>> >>> >>>Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, >>>for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" >>>to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. &g
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It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. > The "Zen Master Rama" took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). > Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. > Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he sl
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LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:48 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Heis someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser. > You don't get much more hoodwinked than Barry has been hoodwinked - apparently his entire life. Even his early childhood is marked by the cognitive dissonance of a typical military brat. You have to realize what he's probably been through: moved around all over the world every few years to live in some god-forsaken backwater with people whose language he couldn't even understand; jerked out of school in the middle of a semester and forced to go to new schools in a strange place he never even heard of; having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. Gawd!!! He was probably screwed up by age ten. Go figure.
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On 10/18/2014 8:48 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: He is someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser. > /You don't get much more hoodwinked than Barry has been hoodwinked - apparently his entire life. Even his early childhood is marked by the cognitive dissonance of a typical military brat. You have to realize what he's probably been through: moved around all over the world every few years to live in some god-forsaken backwater with people whose language he couldn't even understand; jerked out of school in the middle of a semester and forced to go to new schools in a strange place he never even heard of; having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. Gawd!!! He was probably screwed up by age ten. Go figure./
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It is explained in the book, a very simple manipulation - Lenz spoke all the time about levitation and other powers and abilities. He would then get his drugged out, sleepless zombies together, haul them out to the desert at 2 AM, and maybe dance around, and then ask, "What did you see?" He would wait until someone volunteered that he was flying/invisible/transformed into light/godlike, and then simply agree. After this "evidence" was presented, others would agree that they had seen it too - very 'witches of Salem', only in reverse, so that those in attendance, self-deluded themselves into "seeing" all sorts of miracles, from "Zen Master Rama, The Living God". Lots of peer pressure. Lenz was also a master at pitting his "students" against each other - This is why Barry thrives on conflict, vs. discussion. This is why he keeps tiredly bringing up these fake "supernatural" events - He can't believe, yet, that he, along with many others, was duped, exploited, and abused. Horribly abused. I can imagine Lenz making cruel fun of Barry, publicly, as he did with anyone he perceived as the slightest threat, and Barry trying to laugh about his own, open castigation and shaming, from a man he respected, and possibly loved, and then having to pony up serious cash, for another month, of doing more of the same. For years. Makes me shudder, the damage that was inflicted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind "levitation" crap, too. Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple of thousand of them, total. Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not. Touchy, touchy. Now, of all of those thousands of people who saw Lenz levitate how come no one ever got a picture, a video? Was this verboten? Did this not ever occur to anyone that it might be an interesting catalogue of events to have this somehow on some format that others could see? Lenz was a raging narcissist, how come he didn't invite TV stations to come and tape him levitating? You know why? 'Cause he wasn't ever levitating. What harm would there have been for some record of this, beyond someone's say so, to have been made? Put up or shut up. Your master was no more accomplished at levitating than anyone else - which is no one.
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I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. > The "Zen Master Rama" took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). > Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. > Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward. "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned. "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == "Are you R
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On 10/18/2014 8:39 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: "levitation" crap, too. > /Are you saying that Barry is a liar and a braggart?/ > Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. > /The issue is not whether or not levitation or yogic flying is possible - the issue is whether or not you believe Barry witnessed it hundreds of times./ > *From:* "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:29 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: *TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, **by Mark E. Laxer. *Available on the link that Richard posted. * * Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward. "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned. "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == "Are you Rama?" someone asked. "Yes," he replied. "I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu..." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... <mailto:turquoiseb@...> [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old,
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On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. > /The "Zen Master Rama" took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago?// // //Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed./ /No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned./ /When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN)./ > Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. > /Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. / > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: *TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, **by Mark E. Laxer. *Available on the link that Richard posted. * * Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward. "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned. "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == "Are you Rama?" someone asked. "Yes," he replied. "I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves a
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind "levitation" crap, too. Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple of thousand of them, total. Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not. Touchy, touchy. Now, of all of those thousands of people who saw Lenz levitate how come no one ever got a picture, a video? Was this verboten? Did this not ever occur to anyone that it might be an interesting catalogue of events to have this somehow on some format that others could see? Lenz was a raging narcissist, how come he didn't invite TV stations to come and tape him levitating? You know why? 'Cause he wasn't ever levitating. What harm would there have been for some record of this, beyond someone's say so, to have been made? Put up or shut up. Your master was no more accomplished at levitating than anyone else - which is no one.
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This is probably why Barry has no relationships with a girlfriend, spouse, children, family, roommates, or friends. Lenz hated anything that would take attention and adoration away from him, so he taught his students, especially his inner circle, of which Barry was one, to be fearful of others, to learn to dislike everyone else, that they could sap your psychic energy, or attack you in your dreams. When angered, Lenz would often make remarks that the one who displeased him, would get in a car accident, or get cancer. A very vindictive and insecure person. He believed, just as Barry continues to, that the world is getting darker and darker, and that fantasies of revenge were useful. Sick, sick, sick. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward. "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned. "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == "Are you Rama?" someone asked. "Yes," he replied. "I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu..." It is always interesting to read the accounts of head spaces others have occupied. These quotes are revealing, Mac. The button pushing one is classic and the account of the newcomer not seeing anything regarding super powers of poor, deluded, narcissistic Freddie is very telling. No wonder bawee is so reactive now to so much. He is someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser.
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"Rama" was all about fear and imagination. The guy never got even a millimeter off the ground, or accomplished any other "feats". You were in a trance, and brainwashed, Barry. He also did LOTS of LSD, which he encouraged his followers to use, in addition to keeping you in a constant state of sleep deprivation. What about being in an abusive cult, don't you get? You are in DEEP DENIAL about how cruel and horrible a person, Freddie was, because you continue to emulate him. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind "levitation" crap, too. Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple of thousand of them, total. Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not.
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From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind "levitation" crap, too. Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple of thousand of them, total. Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward. "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned. "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == "Are you Rama?" someone asked. "Yes," he replied. "I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu..." It is always interesting to read the accounts of head spaces others have occupied. These quotes are revealing, Mac. The button pushing one is classic and the account of the newcomer not seeing anything regarding super powers of poor, deluded, narcissistic Freddie is very telling. No wonder bawee is so reactive now to so much. He is someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
"levitation" crap, too. Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward. "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned. "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == "Are you Rama?" someone asked. "Yes," he replied. "I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu..." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. > >>>You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about "Rama shit" a few months ago! >>> >>>"I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles >>>Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee >>>hours o
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward. "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned. "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == "Are you Rama?" someone asked. "Yes," he replied. "I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu..." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. > You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about "Rama shit" a few months ago! "I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night." - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html From: salyavin808 Advertising ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :Salya,I think ... View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward. "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned. "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == "Are you Rama?" someone asked. "Yes," he replied. "I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu..." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. > You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about "Rama shit" a few months ago! "I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night." - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html From: salyavin808 Advertising ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :Salya,I think ... View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Preview by Yahoo Richard, you've done it again!
