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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-16 Thread hanumanb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Try clicking on the link to that article now. If you have Lisco, it doesn't 
work. You can't even access the newspaper's home page. Then try with a 
different ISP and it works. Has the movement got their grips on the town's main 
internet service provider now? Hmmm..

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-15 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

ted. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early.
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to
the community. Everyone is invited.

The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Brilliant. Yes, two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin,
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in
front of its fantasies.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money, especially if
he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a lot. I doubt he has had to spend
much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice fixing up people to pay
off student loans.

It is very apparent that the guy has money, and it makes sense to me. Why
wouldn't a highly educated medical man have made a decent amount of money and
has anyone (imagine!) considered that perhaps his wife has a good job? Or maybe
there is family money as well.

As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've heard at
least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million
dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts
as to whether many could have made it in the real world.

I know for a fact they couldn't and didn't. There are so many airy fairy
neurotics who crowd into the lineup to see their current favorite guru or who
run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that sounds like the next greatest
thing. There are many "misfits" and just plain strange human beings on this
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-11 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]


On 05/11/2016 03:57 PM, sri...@ymail.com wrote:


Doing a Yagya as a beef eater is like a fish using a hairdryer.


*@_@

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-11 Thread srijau

Doing a Yagya as a beef eater is like a fish using a hairdryer.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-11 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

You need not be present.  The one I signed up for was on a following day 
and they just perform the yagya with your name inserted among a list of 
others.


Let's remember that much of science is a belief system too. There's much 
we don't understand yet.  What makes yagyas work are probably based on a 
long lost science that someday may be rediscovered.


On 05/10/2016 07:38 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
I'm thinking of having a yagya done  for myself due to the transit of 
Rahu in Leo.  Do you have to be present at the temple?  Or can you 
stay at home at the time the yagya is being performed?


A few years ago I attended a yagya done for a  friend in a temple in 
Sunnyvale, CA.  It was an elaborate ritual which included offering 
seeds dipped in ghee onto the fire and dancing around the fire as the 
priest invoked the mantras.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I had a yagya performed once for me. It was not a TM yagya but 
performed by the Hindu temple in Livermore in the SF Bay Area.  I 
happened to be there with a friend before Indian new year and they 
offered put visitors on the yagya list for the new year.  It only cost 
$55.  I wasn't expecting anything but was an effect for awhile.


On 05/09/2016 09:26 AM, feste37 wrote:

I am probably one of the few people here who would venture to remark 
that (and this is based on my own experience), yagyas work, although 
the ones done for me were not done through the TMO. What intrigues me 
about Salyavin's tirades is his claim that the TMO actually does not 
even perform the yagyas people pay them to do. I have not heard this 
before and wonder how anyone would know that it is true. It is one 
thing to say the yagyas do not work, but quite another to claim that 
they are never even performed.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
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 wrote :


yeah, very strange. These people have become bitterly disappointed at 
their experiences regarding TM, and so, "attempt to spread the truth 
about TM and the org behind it" and "save" others. There is not a 
nickel's worth of space between that expression and the Christian 
fundamentalists - same psychological mistake; transference. They 
cannot accept that they didn't get it, and so turn on those who are 
experiencing a benefit, blind to the fact that any issue is with 
themselves, and not the TM or TMO, or practitioners of TM.


This is in no way a defense of the TM Org, which has a lot of issues. 
But there are ways of tackling a problem productively, and there is 
empty complaining. As you say, we are all adults, and nobody 
appreciates a bunch of blowhards trumpeting the same hollow message, 
that they know the real truth about TM and the TMO and are here to 
enlighten the rest of us. What rubbish.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
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 wrote :


Strange, ain't it.  Someone, in this case, Salyavin, feeling they 
need to save someone from themselves.  As if there is not abundant 
information to peruse ! with regard to the TM movement such that 
Salyavin feels the impassioned need to take on the role.


What becomes a little weird is that there is no difference from this 
attitude and the fundamentalist attitude that "they" (the 
fundamentalist) knows what's best for another, and therefore makes it 
a mission to convert "the other". And then, you must ask, where does 
it end.


The title of this autobiography is, "How I Became a Tyrant"


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
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I figure most of those investing in or tooting the horn for yagya 
donations are grown adults who can decide if they want to spend their 
money on chanting or on a fitbit or the latest VW convertible.



But can they decide? When you're embroiled in a cult you can really 
start to believe what they tell you as I'm sure you're aware. 
Obviously it's up to people to become scientifically aware and think 
their way out of the stupidity before it bankrupts them or they end 
up moving to a town where this sort of excuse for thinking is taken 
so much for granted that it becomes a given rather than the utterly 
astonishing load of pseudo-scientific nonsense that it actually is.



Grown ups can believe anything they like, but if people you know are 
habitually throwing their money into a hole in the ground - or in 
this case real estate in Florida - when they think they are creating 
some sort of peace creating group of Indian chanters the w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-11 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

The first point as 1. in the text below as to Dr. Nader's initial reluctance to 
the job feels quite poignant and tells a narrative that seems is there in this.
 

 As a communal leader Dr. Nader has not had nearly the public experience
 and acquired the acumen for the job that the Drs. Morris and Hagelin and 
others have
 earned as lecturers, teachers and administrators of TM.
 

 It seems pretty clear Dr. Nader was brought out of the basement and
 put on stage center.
 

 What the text is not showing is an insight in to the working relationship
 which the three Drs. have with each other at the top as they
 have come in to the inheritance of the heritage of all that is TM.
 That part of relationship working out in by-law actually is
 really interesting to watch play out in process.
 

 None of the three can necessarily rule by decree, they have
 to bring the others along and these are substantial personages.
 Technically they are only trustees of a corporation. That was
 well set up by Maharishi well before Maharishi passed away.
 

 Each of the three bring things by talent and personality that the others need
 or they have to work around. That is the TMO now.
 
 The other night at the Dome meeting
 of Vedic City (..the Global Country people), the University, and the in-town 
meditator communities
 where Dr. Nader skype-ed in from somewhere
 was a good example of some of the dynamic
 with the three. There is a lot going on.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone provided the text pasted further below on the side.
 
 It seems to have a fair capture of some current TM ethnography in it's 
narrative
 as to what we see and hear here in Fairfield, Iowa also.
 

 

 
 [ Paste of text..
 
  FW: "..I suggested to a friend who hears quite a bit of the thinking of 
higher-level TMO persons to read the discussion and tell me what she thought. 
She had some interesting perspectives on what she read here. 

 

 Here are a few points from a long dinner conversation earlier tonight, they 
are abbreviated – and so keep in mind they lack much of the nuance of what she 
said. Keeping that in mind, I found them quite interesting (i.e. some very 
different perspectives than would have occurred to me) and so I thought I would 
offer them as information here.
 

 1. Re: King Tony. The ‘ruling from silence’ spiel that was played around the 
time of MMY’s death was a way of dealing with a combination of factors: 1) Tony 
was not comfortable with public speaking of the kind expected of MMY’s 
appointed successor; 2) He went through a long period of being overwhelmed and 
was pressured to stay on. 

 

 2. TMO’s thinking is not as fixed regarding King Tony’s role as she picked up 
people on FFL-2 seem to think based on her reading on this topic in FFF-2. It’s 
constantly evolving. TMO higher-ups are sticking to what they consider to be 
MMY’s core principles, but how that plays out is certainly not fixed.
 

 3. Something she said that really struck me (but made sense when she said it). 
How King Tony is perceived by those who work for the TMO (the ‘beige suits and 
saris’ brigade as she called them) is NOT a concern or focus for TMO bigwigs.  
She brought this up because it seemed to be such a significant train of thought 
here on FFL-2.  Logic: By the time somebody becomes a ‘beige suit/sari person’ 
they have already accepted the whole TMO culture, and if they change their 
mind, they can leave – there will be others to take their place. 

 

 [Think of the millions who follow royalty, particularly in Britain – more 
below.]
 

 4. TMO believes it is only a matter of time before the world begins to take 
notice of the TMO as a major force in the world (as she and I remember MMY 
saying in the 70’s). The focus among TMO bigwigs is how King Tony is perceived 
by the public when this happens – and the preparation for this is ongoing in a 
very focused manner. 

 

 5. She’s aware of the Florida digs, expensive schools (she did not know about 
the flying lessons). Also indicated that the rumor is that he has similar digs 
in Paris, and there are plans for major (think Buckingham Palace luxury digs – 
but vastu) in every continent. She has no idea where the money comes from, but 
she assumes it is TMO money.  

 

 One point she made was about the vast divide between the Florida digs 
discussion she read here in FFL-2 and ‘TMO-think’: These ‘Florida digs’ are 
only a pittance – what is being attempted is the creation of the equivalent of 
a British royal family type setup (all the palaces, pageantry, jewels, private 
planes, embassies in every country in the world, etc.), but not just in one 
country – in every continent. Also, this is not King Tony only – it is intended 
as the beginning of dynasty that will last for thousands of years. The money 
spend on the Florida digs doesn’t even reach the level of peanuts. 

 

 6. The current plan that is playing out is portraying King Tony as a ‘secular, 
brilliant s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-11 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Right. The Religious TMers are hoping for a payoff after waiting endlessly, and 
the ant-TMers argue that no payoff is immanent. Doing this through Yahoo forums 
has nothing to do with presenting any version of truth. It is simply empty 
complaints from those who are angry at having not benefited from the TMO, as 
they feel they so richly deserved. No attempt at taking responsibility, or 
adhering to the rigors of science. They are clearly not living in the real 
world, just working hard at enabling their prejudices, and making no spiritual 
progress whatsoever.  

 Everyone makes their choices, and lives with the consequences. Though 
fundamentalists as those on both sides of this issue, also insist that theirs 
is the only right way, there is a middle way between the two of them, free of 
rancor or dogma, that provides all the knowledge and freedom anyone could ask 
for. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It seems a religious war between the two, that is not very spiritual.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 The Religious Cohort of Anti-TM, and the Religious TM'ers. 

 Evidently a community of what one may see as ‘religious’ that seems to remain 
inside of TM is quite small as so too is its opposition of anti-TM’ers outside 
in cohort are relatively small.  
 But both are quite active and sophisticated in doggedly using a machinery of 
PR media in vying with their counter across and over a middle ground, each side 
with a hoping to dispute and win ground of public opinion against the other 
extreme and maybe even plow the other under. 
 

 

 To countervail:  to exert force against an opposing and often bad or harmful 
force or influence
 

 valence,
 

 the amount of power of an atom which is determined by the number of electrons 
the atom will lose, gain, or share when it forms compounds
 
 
 Cohort,
 In statistics, a cohort is a group of subjects who have shared a particular 
event together during a particular time span.  Originally used to describe a 
military unit in ancient Rome. 
 

 To vail:  take off or lower (one's hat or crown) as a token of respect or 
submission. 
 
 Take off one's hat or otherwise show respect or submission to someone.
 

 Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own 
opinions and prejudices; especially :  one who regards or treats the members of 
a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We know one thing, they spend one helluva of a lot of time ranting and raving 
about it here and on the other site, pretty much all hours of the day.  That 
tells ya something!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Is Anti-TM a New Religion? Well, if we consider religion to be a pointer to 
something it no longer contains, then the answer is "yes". Just as those who go 
to church regularly because it strengthens their beliefs, so do these naysayers 
regularly repeat themselves, feeling "safer" inside the boundaries of their 
"important discoveries". Taking on something like the obvious corruption within 
the TMO by posturing on forums is another way of saying, "I don't have a life", 
writ large. So, depending on the degree of obsession, I would say that 
"Anti-TM" has become a de-facto religion for some.  

 I tend to be wary of those who are either always extolling spiritual and 
religious experience, or always knocking it. Both are somewhat unbalanced, as I 
am sure their daily lives indicate.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
  Is Anti-TM a New Religion?  
 Ollie, Interesting observation you are making here about the Anti-TM’ers.  
Salyavin’s consistent content as criticism here is honed and well stated within 
the Yahoo-groups guidelines except for the default to the ad hominem, 
 

 the interesting thing in general is how the anti-TM’ers have come in to cohort 
as what seems like the a non-theistic religion of anti-TM,  The Religious 
Cohort of Anti-TM,, 
 

 Federal Court opinion on what makes a religion.. 
 

 ..“Indica” of religion: 'Ultimate ideas', 'Comprehensive', 'Structure'.
 

 
 [Federal Court opinion: 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/419588 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/419588
 


 

 Re: Is TM a New Religion? The Federal District Court
 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/426884 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/426884
  

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 yeah, very strange. These people have become bitterly disappointed at their 
experiences regarding TM, and so, "attempt to spread the truth about TM and the 
org behind it" and "save" others. There is not a nickel's worth of space 
between that expression and the Christian fundamentalists - same psychological 
mistake; transference. They cannot accept that they d

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-10 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann,
 

 These planetary transits do have an effect on people here on earth either in 
their unknowing actions, such as the killings performed by ISIS members or 
taking an overdose of drugs like Prince, or the effects in their health 
ostensibly attributed to physical reasons only, without considering the 
planetary aspects and transits.
 

 IMO, this is the reason why Deepak Chopra recommended the use of the TM mantra 
to cure medical complaints by placing one's awareness on the health complaint 
while invoking the mantra during meditation.  This is a form of performing a 
direct personal yagya on the problem at hand.  For safe measure, it would be 
better to use the traditional yagya performed by the Hindu priest.
 

 Of course, each person can try the various alternatives, including the western 
allopathic medicine, when the time comes.  It's his or her personal choice.

 

 My point exactly.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm thinking of having a yagya done  for myself due to the transit of Rahu in 
Leo.  Do you have to be present at the temple?  Or can you stay at home at the 
time the yagya is being performed?
 

 A few years ago I attended a yagya done for a  friend in a temple in 
Sunnyvale, CA.  It was an elaborate ritual which included offering seeds dipped 
in ghee onto the fire and dancing around the fire as the priest invoked the 
mantras.

 

 Good for you. You show those naysayers. Pay your money, sit back and enjoy the 
ride. That's what I say. While some are watching the newest installment of some 
TV series and another is baking a batch of croissants and while still someone 
else is filling their test tubes and dabbing microscopic specimens on petri 
dishes you go right ahead and do your thing. Each to his own.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I had a yagya performed once for me.  It was not a TM yagya but performed by 
the Hindu temple in Livermore in the SF Bay Area.  I happened to be there with 
a friend before Indian new year and they offered put visitors on the yagya list 
for the new year.  It only cost $55.  I wasn't expecting anything but was an 
effect for awhile.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-10 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

e) just as obsessed as ever with the
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-10 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Ann,
 

 These planetary transits do have an effect on people here on earth either in 
their unknowing actions, such as the killings performed by ISIS members or 
taking an overdose of drugs like Prince, or the effects in their health 
ostensibly attributed to physical reasons only, without considering the 
planetary aspects and transits.
 

 IMO, this is the reason why Deepak Chopra recommended the use of the TM mantra 
to cure medical complaints by placing one's awareness on the health complaint 
while invoking the mantra during meditation.  This is a form of performing a 
direct personal yagya on the problem at hand.  For safe measure, it would be 
better to use the traditional yagya performed by the Hindu priest.
 

 Of course, each person can try the various alternatives, including the western 
allopathic medicine, when the time comes.  It's his or her personal choice.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm thinking of having a yagya done  for myself due to the transit of Rahu in 
Leo.  Do you have to be present at the temple?  Or can you stay at home at the 
time the yagya is being performed?
 

 A few years ago I attended a yagya done for a  friend in a temple in 
Sunnyvale, CA.  It was an elaborate ritual which included offering seeds dipped 
in ghee onto the fire and dancing around the fire as the priest invoked the 
mantras.

 

 Good for you. You show those naysayers. Pay your money, sit back and enjoy the 
ride. That's what I say. While some are watching the newest installment of some 
TV series and another is baking a batch of croissants and while still someone 
else is filling their test tubes and dabbing microscopic specimens on petri 
dishes you go right ahead and do your thing. Each to his own.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I had a yagya performed once for me.  It was not a TM yagya but performed by 
the Hindu temple in Livermore in the SF Bay Area.  I happened to be there with 
a friend before Indian new year and they offered put visitors on the yagya list 
for the new year.  It only cost $55.  I wasn't expecting anything but was an 
effect for awhile.
 
 On 05/09/2016 09:26 AM, feste37 wrote:
 
   I am probably one of the few people here who would venture to remark that 
(and this is based on my own experience), yagyas work, although the ones done 
for me were not done through the TMO. What intrigues me about Salyavin's 
tirades is his claim that the TMO actually does not even perform the yagyas 
people pay them to do. I have not heard this before and wonder how anyone would 
know that it is true. It is one thing to say the yagyas do not work, but quite 
another to claim that they are never even performed. 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:olliesedwuz@... wrote :
 
 yeah, very strange. These people have become bitterly disappointed at their 
experiences regarding TM, and so, "attempt to spread the truth about TM and the 
org behind it" and "save" others. There is not a nickel's worth of space 
between that expression and the Christian fundamentalists - same psychological 
mistake; transference. They cannot accept that they didn't get it, and so turn 
on those who are experiencing a benefit, blind to the fact that any issue is 
with themselves, and not the TM or TMO, or practitioners of TM.  

 This is in no way a defense of the TM Org, which has a lot of issues. But 
there are ways of tackling a problem productively, and there is empty 
complaining. As you say, we are all adults, and nobody appreciates a bunch of 
blowhards trumpeting the same hollow message, that they know the real truth 
about TM and the TMO and are here to enlighten the rest of us. What rubbish.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 Strange, ain't it.  Someone, in this case, Salyavin, feeling they need to save 
someone from themselves.  As if there is not abundant information to peruse ! 
with regard to the TM movement such that Salyavin feels the impassioned need to 
take on the role. 
 
 What becomes a little weird is that there is no difference from this attitude 
and the fundamentalist attitude that "they" (the fundamentalist) knows what's 
best for another, and therefore makes it a mission to convert "the other". And 
then, you must ask, where does it end.  
 
 
 The title of this autobiography is, "How I Became a Tyrant"
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote !

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-10 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm thinking of having a yagya done  for myself due to the transit of Rahu in 
Leo.  Do you have to be present at the temple?  Or can you stay at home at the 
time the yagya is being performed?
 

 A few years ago I attended a yagya done for a  friend in a temple in 
Sunnyvale, CA.  It was an elaborate ritual which included offering seeds dipped 
in ghee onto the fire and dancing around the fire as the priest invoked the 
mantras.

 

 Good for you. You show those naysayers. Pay your money, sit back and enjoy the 
ride. That's what I say. While some are watching the newest installment of some 
TV series and another is baking a batch of croissants and while still someone 
else is filling their test tubes and dabbing microscopic specimens on petri 
dishes you go right ahead and do your thing. Each to his own.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I had a yagya performed once for me.  It was not a TM yagya but performed by 
the Hindu temple in Livermore in the SF Bay Area.  I happened to be there with 
a friend before Indian new year and they offered put visitors on the yagya list 
for the new year.  It only cost $55.  I wasn't expecting anything but was an 
effect for awhile.
 
 On 05/09/2016 09:26 AM, feste37 wrote:
 
   I am probably one of the few people here who would venture to remark that 
(and this is based on my own experience), yagyas work, although the ones done 
for me were not done through the TMO. What intrigues me about Salyavin's 
tirades is his claim that the TMO actually does not even perform the yagyas 
people pay them to do. I have not heard this before and wonder how anyone would 
know that it is true. It is one thing to say the yagyas do not work, but quite 
another to claim that they are never even performed. 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:olliesedwuz@... wrote :
 
 yeah, very strange. These people have become bitterly disappointed at their 
experiences regarding TM, and so, "attempt to spread the truth about TM and the 
org behind it" and "save" others. There is not a nickel's worth of space 
between that expression and the Christian fundamentalists - same psychological 
mistake; transference. They cannot accept that they didn't get it, and so turn 
on those who are experiencing a benefit, blind to the fact that any issue is 
with themselves, and not the TM or TMO, or practitioners of TM.  

 This is in no way a defense of the TM Org, which has a lot of issues. But 
there are ways of tackling a problem productively, and there is empty 
complaining. As you say, we are all adults, and nobody appreciates a bunch of 
blowhards trumpeting the same hollow message, that they know the real truth 
about TM and the TMO and are here to enlighten the rest of us. What rubbish.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 Strange, ain't it.  Someone, in this case, Salyavin, feeling they need to save 
someone from themselves.  As if there is not abundant information to peruse ! 
with regard to the TM movement such that Salyavin feels the impassioned need to 
take on the role. 
 
 What becomes a little weird is that there is no difference from this attitude 
and the fundamentalist attitude that "they" (the fundamentalist) knows what's 
best for another, and therefore makes it a mission to convert "the other". And 
then, you must ask, where does it end.  
 
 
 The title of this autobiography is, "How I Became a Tyrant"
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote ! :
 
 I figure most of those investing in or tooting the horn for yagya donations 
are grown adults who can decide if they want to spend their money on chanting 
or on a fitbit or the latest VW convertible. 
 
 
 But can they decide? When you're embroiled in a cult you can really start to 
believe what they tell you as I'm sure you're aware. Obviously it's up to 
people to become scientifically aware and think their way out of the stupidity 
before it bankrupts them or they end up moving to a town where this sort of 
excuse for thinking is taken so much for granted that it becomes a given rather 
than the utterly astonishing load of pseudo-scientific nonsense that it 
actually is.
 
 
 Grown ups can believe anything they like, but if people you know are 
habitually throwing their money into a hole in the ground - or in this case 
real estate in Florida - when they think they are creating some sort of peace 
creating group of I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-10 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I'm thinking of having a yagya done  for myself due to the transit of Rahu in 
Leo.  Do you have to be present at the temple?  Or can you stay at home at the 
time the yagya is being performed? 
 

 A few years ago I attended a yagya done for a  friend in a temple in 
Sunnyvale, CA.  It was an elaborate ritual which included offering seeds dipped 
in ghee onto the fire and dancing around the fire as the priest invoked the 
mantras.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I had a yagya performed once for me.  It was not a TM yagya but performed by 
the Hindu temple in Livermore in the SF Bay Area.  I happened to be there with 
a friend before Indian new year and they offered put visitors on the yagya list 
for the new year.  It only cost $55.  I wasn't expecting anything but was an 
effect for awhile.
 
 On 05/09/2016 09:26 AM, feste37 wrote:
 
   I am probably one of the few people here who would venture to remark that 
(and this is based on my own experience), yagyas work, although the ones done 
for me were not done through the TMO. What intrigues me about Salyavin's 
tirades is his claim that the TMO actually does not even perform the yagyas 
people pay them to do. I have not heard this before and wonder how anyone would 
know that it is true. It is one thing to say the yagyas do not work, but quite 
another to claim that they are never even performed. 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:olliesedwuz@... wrote :
 
 yeah, very strange. These people have become bitterly disappointed at their 
experiences regarding TM, and so, "attempt to spread the truth about TM and the 
org behind it" and "save" others. There is not a nickel's worth of space 
between that expression and the Christian fundamentalists - same psychological 
mistake; transference. They cannot accept that they didn't get it, and so turn 
on those who are experiencing a benefit, blind to the fact that any issue is 
with themselves, and not the TM or TMO, or practitioners of TM.  

 This is in no way a defense of the TM Org, which has a lot of issues. But 
there are ways of tackling a problem productively, and there is empty 
complaining. As you say, we are all adults, and nobody appreciates a bunch of 
blowhards trumpeting the same hollow message, that they know the real truth 
about TM and the TMO and are here to enlighten the rest of us. What rubbish.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 Strange, ain't it.  Someone, in this case, Salyavin, feeling they need to save 
someone from themselves.  As if there is not abundant information to peruse ! 
with regard to the TM movement such that Salyavin feels the impassioned need to 
take on the role. 
 
 What becomes a little weird is that there is no difference from this attitude 
and the fundamentalist attitude that "they" (the fundamentalist) knows what's 
best for another, and therefore makes it a mission to convert "the other". And 
then, you must ask, where does it end.  
 
 
 The title of this autobiography is, "How I Became a Tyrant"
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote ! :
 
 I figure most of those investing in or tooting the horn for yagya donations 
are grown adults who can decide if they want to spend their money on chanting 
or on a fitbit or the latest VW convertible. 
 
 
 But can they decide? When you're embroiled in a cult you can really start to 
believe what they tell you as I'm sure you're aware. Obviously it's up to 
people to become scientifically aware and think their way out of the stupidity 
before it bankrupts them or they end up moving to a town where this sort of 
excuse for thinking is taken so much for granted that it becomes a given rather 
than the utterly astonishing load of pseudo-scientific nonsense that it 
actually is.
 
 
 Grown ups can believe anything they like, but if people you know are 
habitually throwing their money into a hole in the ground - or in this case 
real estate in Florida - when they think they are creating some sort of peace 
creating group of Indian chanters the we owe it to them to darw it to their 
attention or we aren't very good friends.
 
 
 If you knew someone who was being scammed by a devious pension plan wouldn't 
you tell them if you knew? Yet the TMO gets many millions from selling prayers 
and all the while setting up a pseudo-scientific justification in the shape of 
Marshy's crap lectures about the unified field and continuing with John 
Hagelin's equally

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-10 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of 
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these 
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative 
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as 
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.
 

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-10 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 at least $10m in the bank, minimum. 
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world 
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and 
then spending it all on real estate.
 

 They have big plans you see, the idea has always a world wide network of 
palaces and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly 
so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get 
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about 
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable 
way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who 
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and  physics and now 
vedas and physiology.
 

 I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace 
creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even 
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the 
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that 
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do 
about it? 
 

 I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your 
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on 
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive - 
and non TM - schools for their kids.
 

 Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you
 



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam
 

 Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
 Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

 

 We are looking forward to the phone call from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam during 
Lesson Two of the Ramayan in Human Physiology Course this evening. Everyone is 
invited. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It 
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early. 
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

 

 The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to 
the community. Everyone is invited. 
 

 The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and 
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a 
valid dome badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Brilliant. Yes, two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin, 
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's 
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an 
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror 
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and 
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in 
front of its fantasies.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money, especially if 
he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a lot. I doubt he has had to spend 
much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice  fixing up people to pay 
off student loans.
 

 It is very apparent that the guy has money, and it makes sense to me. Why 
wouldn't a highly educated medical man have made a decent amount of money and 
has anyone (imagine!) considered that perhaps his wife has a good job? Or maybe 
there is family money as well. 
 
 As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've heard at 
least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million 
dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts 
as to whether many could have made it in the real world.
 

 I know for a fact they couldn't and didn't. There are so many airy fairy 
neurotics who crowd into the lineup to see their current favorite guru or who 
run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that sounds like the next greatest 
thing. There are many "misfits" and just plain strange human beings on this 
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at 
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last 
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the 
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings 
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really 
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make 
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of 
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-10 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

"immortal cats" - good one - Yes, as human beings we always take things to 
extremes. 

 Googling, I found an interesting study done on the effect of yagyas on air 
pollution in India. There are detailed explanations of why the yagyas work, and 
quite a few measurements taken under what appear to be well controlled 
conditions. The science appears sound, and it is worth a read through:
 

 http://ijirse.in/docs/Apr14/IJIRSE140407.pdf 
http://ijirse.in/docs/Apr14/IJIRSE140407.pdf  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Going back into this, your original assertions were that yagyas don't work and 
people should not spend their money on them, and possibly that the TMO takes 
the money without having yagyas performed.  

 Given that there is no meaningful data whatsoever to back up either of these 
statements, why should they be seen as scientific? 
 

 It's good to see people trying to get to grips with what's scientific and what 
isn't but I never made any claims that either statement was scientific. But we 
can make it so:  It's pretty obvious that yagyas don't work because we don't 
have world peace or a vastu village in the north of England (a lot of money was 
raised for yagyas for both). My friend with the migraines still has them 
despite spending $25,000 on these prayers. These are a few examples and you 
might say we can't draw big conclusions from small samples but if they did work 
we would have world peace, a lot of people I know would still be alive, have 
better jobs, immortal cats, etc etc.
 

 So much for taking them at face value, now let's get scientific about how they 
are claimed to work. The theory is that a group of people chanting the names of 
Hindu gods and your jyotish chart, and a simple request for said gods to grant 
you great boons, somehow radiates through a mysterious field of consciousness 
and either enhances your life in the hoped for way or cancels out negative 
influences from things you have done in the past. This puts it into the realm 
of physics, as John Hagelin is always pleased to explain, the thing about 
physics is that it works on high probabilities, if I have an electron say, and 
send it in one direction it will behave in a highly predictable way. Same with 
all other known forces and laws (otherwise they wouldn't be laws). 
 

 Yagyas seem to break this mould of physical predictability. Perhaps because 
jyotish has no evidence backing it up, and the Hindu gods aren't really aspects 
of quantum functioning and this "unified field of consciousness" doesn't exist 
either. As far as current knowledge of physics goes, the whole shebang seems to 
draw a complete blank. Not only does it fail it's own predicted tests but it 
contradicts everything else we know. If it was a failsafe process and always 
worked (rather than, apparently, never) then we'd have to rewrite physics to 
incorporate it. But as it is I don't think Einstein and Dirac have much to 
worry about.
 

 But here's the really interesting thing, you are so convinced that it's a real 
phenomenon that you perhaps think that it's up to me to prove that it doesn't 
work, but really I'm on the side of convincing explanations of the physical 
world and that doesn't include the power of prayer. So it becomes up to you to 
provide evidence that said powers do work. Extraordinary claims require 
extraordinary evidence. Currently I see no evidence that yagya work. QED.
 

 It is awfully hard to discuss statements with no basis to them. You may have 
some anecdotal evidence, but that hardly meets a scientific threshold. 
 

 Thank you. This is exactly what I would ask you to provide. Let's see some 
actual evidence instead of anecdotal evidence.
 

 The status quo within the TMO is that yagyas are performed for money. Setting 
yourself against that is a tall order, and to do so definitively requires more 
than simple assertions. The TMO is far from perfect and I haven't seen any 
arguments to the contrary here on FFL. That is a good baseline. 
 

 You now seem confused I have never set myself against the idea that yagya are 
performed for money. And why do you use the term "baseline"? It's rather out of 
context here. A baseline for yagya would be the expected  result of random 
human interaction. Proof that yagya work would be a significant change in those 
interactions, we'd notice sudden changes, things like world peace (we've been 
paying for yagyas for that for decades now) or sick people getting better 
(remember the claim of the very expensive health yagya is that they improve 
your health). Basically, if we had a way of influencing run-of-the-mill events 
we'd notioce it every time we did a yagya.
 

 But challenging the validity of individual programs takes more than strong 
statements that they don't work. Those that do so repeatedly begin to sound an 
awful lot like fundamentalists of any stripe, and I ask myself, why? Why are 
these baseless

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-10 Thread salyavin808

always been full of idiots. I have my doubts 
as to whether many could have made it in the real world.
 

 I know for a fact they couldn't and didn't. There are so many airy fairy 
neurotics who crowd into the lineup to see their current favorite guru or who 
run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that sounds like the next greatest 
thing. There are many "misfits" and just plain strange human beings on this 
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at 
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last 
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the 
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings 
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really 
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make 
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of 
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these 
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative 
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as 
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.
 

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-10 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

ts" and just plain strange human beings on this 
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at 
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last 
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the 
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings 
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really 
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make 
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of 
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these 
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative 
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as 
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.
 

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread salyavin808

from the hopeful flock who
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and physics and now
vedas and physiology.

I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace
creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do
about it?

I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive -
and non TM - schools for their kids.

Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam

Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

We are looking forward to the phone call from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam during
Lesson Two of the Ramayan in Human Physiology Course this evening. Everyone is
invited. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early.
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to
the community. Everyone is invited.

The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

I just read

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread salyavin808

make 
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of 
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these 
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative 
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as 
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.
 

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

 

 I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

oing on
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive -
and non TM - schools for their kids.

Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam

Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to
the community. Everyone is invited.

The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam

Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to
the community. Everyone is invited.

The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

ot letting go of the coin,
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in
front of its fantasies.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

uot; and just plain strange human beings on this
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

owers create
meaning around an object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed,
perpetually. A spinning mirror to look into, transfixed, instead of
simply dealing with the nature of life and our intimate relationship
with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in front of its
fantasies.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money,
especially if he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a! lot. I
doubt he has had to spend much time in an emergency room or maintain a
practice fixing up people to pay off student loans.

It is very apparent that the guy has money, and it makes sense to me.
Why wouldn't a highly educated medical man have made a decent amount
of money and has anyone (imagine!) considered that perhaps his wife
has a good job? Or maybe there is family money as well.

As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've
heard at least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance
to pay the million dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full
of idiots. I have my doubts as to whether many could have made it in
the real world.

I know for a fact they couldn't and didn't. There are so many airy
fairy neurotics who crowd into the lineup to see their current
favorite guru or who run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that
sounds like the next greatest thing. There are many "misfits" and just
plain strange human beings on this Earth and we have a small
proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at number 2) who
fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last viewing of
them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved
feelings about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his
"henchmen". You really have to wonder what it would take for many of
them to simply move on and make an effor! t to unencumber themselves
from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of addiction - as twisted as
it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these obsessors think
of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative opinion.
It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much
involved.

*From:* "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

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I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM
Movement since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some
bucks? If you're a Raja don't you have had to have donated a
wheelbarrow full of money or something? If that is the case, the
amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no surprise that someone has a lot
more than that in their bank account. Only an idiot would donate $1m
and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I've got the links working now, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 (snip)
 

 I always ask for evidence as I believe the only way we can find out whether 
our cherished beliefs are real or not is by setting up tests for them, that's 
the difference between science and religion.
 

 So did you ask JamesAlan for evidence of what he claims his friend told him 
during their dinner conversation?
 

 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2/conversations/messages/9948 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2/conversations/messages/9948

 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2/conversations/messages/9970 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2/conversations/messages/9970

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread salyavin808

donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum. 
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world 
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and 
then spending it all on real estate.
 

 They have big plans you see, the idea has always a world wide network of 
palaces and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly 
so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get 
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about 
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable 
way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who 
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and  physics and now 
vedas and physiology.
 

 I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace 
creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even 
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the 
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that 
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do 
about it? 
 

 I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your 
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on 
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive - 
and non TM - schools for their kids.
 

 Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you
 



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam
 

 Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
 Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

 

 We are looking forward to the phone call from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam during 
Lesson Two of the Ramayan in Human Physiology Course this evening. Everyone is 
invited. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It 
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early. 
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

 

 The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to 
the community. Everyone is invited. 
 

 The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and 
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a 
valid dome badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Brilliant. Yes, two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin, 
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's 
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an 
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror 
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and 
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in 
front of its fantasies.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money, especially if 
he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a lot. I doubt he has had to spend 
much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice  fixing up people to pay 
off student loans.
 

 It is very apparent that the guy has money, and it makes sense to me. Why 
wouldn't a highly educated medical man have made a decent amount of money and 
has anyone (imagine!) considered that perhaps his wife has a good job? Or maybe 
there is family money as well. 
 
 As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've heard at 
least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million 
dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts 
as to whether many could have made it in the real world.
 

 I know for a fact they couldn't and didn't. There are so many airy fairy 
neurotics who crowd into the lineup to see their current favorite guru or who 
run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that sounds like the next greatest 
thing. There are many "misfits" and just plain strange human beings on this 
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at 
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last 
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the 
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings 
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really 
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make 
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of 
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 (snip)
 

 I always ask for evidence as I believe the only way we can find out whether 
our cherished beliefs are real or not is by setting up tests for them, that's 
the difference between science and religion.
 

 So did you ask JamesAlan for evidence of what he claims his friend told him 
during their dinner conversation?
 

 

 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2/conversations/messages/9948
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2/conversations/messages/9970

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread salyavin808

e idea has always a world wide network of 
palaces and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly 
so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get 
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about 
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable 
way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who 
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and  physics and now 
vedas and physiology.
 

 I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace 
creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even 
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the 
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that 
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do 
about it? 
 

 I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your 
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on 
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive - 
and non TM - schools for their kids.
 

 Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you
 



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam
 

 Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
 Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

 

 We are looking forward to the phone call from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam during 
Lesson Two of the Ramayan in Human Physiology Course this evening. Everyone is 
invited. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It 
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early. 
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

 

 The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to 
the community. Everyone is invited. 
 

 The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and 
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a 
valid dome badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Brilliant. Yes, two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin, 
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's 
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an 
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror 
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and 
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in 
front of its fantasies.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money, especially if 
he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a lot. I doubt he has had to spend 
much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice  fixing up people to pay 
off student loans.
 

 It is very apparent that the guy has money, and it makes sense to me. Why 
wouldn't a highly educated medical man have made a decent amount of money and 
has anyone (imagine!) considered that perhaps his wife has a good job? Or maybe 
there is family money as well. 
 
 As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've heard at 
least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million 
dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts 
as to whether many could have made it in the real world.
 

 I know for a fact they couldn't and didn't. There are so many airy fairy 
neurotics who crowd into the lineup to see their current favorite guru or who 
run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that sounds like the next greatest 
thing. There are many "misfits" and just plain strange human beings on this 
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at 
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last 
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the 
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings 
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really 
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make 
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of 
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these 
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative 
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as 
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.
 

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: Fa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread feste37

eldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early.
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to
the community. Everyone is invited.

The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin,
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in
front of its fantasies.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-09 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

b? Or maybe
there is family money as well.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-08 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 
Reformatted to (hopefully) make the two links clickable...
 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 (snip)
 

 Judy has consistently demonstrated that she is an idiot to the extent that I 
never read her posts. She knows as well as I do where all this information 
about King Tony comes from.
 

 If Salyavin read my posts, he'd know I've said I'd tell folks where it came 
from if he refused.
 

 Salyavin's "information" about King Tony is, at best, third-hand. It came from 
two posts to FFL2 by JamesAlan735 (who used to post to FFL) recounting a dinner 
conversation he claims to have had with a friend, someone said to be in the 
know about the inner doings of the TMO:
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2/conversations/messages/9948
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2/conversations/messages/9970
 

 JamesAlan, however, like Barry, happens to be one of those people who delight 
in making stuff up and presenting it as if it were established fact. He made 
two different posts to FFL2, for example, in which he asserted that my extended 
absence from FFL not long ago was due to my having had "a series of strokes."
 

 I have never had even one stroke. He made this up out of whole cloth.
 

 Now, that doesn't *necessarily* mean JamesAlan also made up the story about 
the dinner conversation with his friend. But it's a red flag, IMHO, that should 
lead one to insist on confirmation of the dinner-conversation story from 
someone known to be well informed and honest.
 
 

 That Salyavin has declined to say where he got his "information," given the 
nature of its source, tells me he is aware that it's iffy but doesn't want 
FFLers to know that.
 

 But you can all make up your own minds about the reliability of this TMO/Tony 
tale.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-08 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 (snip)
 

 Judy has consistently demonstrated that she is an idiot to the extent that I 
never read her posts. She knows as well as I do where all this information 
about King Tony comes from.
 

 If Salyavin read my posts, he'd know I've said I'd tell folks where it came 
from if he refused.
 

 Salyavin's "information" about King Tony is, at best, third-hand. It came from 
two posts to FFL2 by JamesAlan735 (who used to post to FFL) recounting a dinner 
conversation he claims to have had with a friend, someone said to be in the 
know about the inner doings of the TMO:
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2/conversations/messages/9948
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2/conversations/messages/9970
 

 JamesAlan, however, like Barry, happens to be one of those people who delight 
in making stuff up and presenting it as if it were established fact. He made 
two different posts to FFL2, for example, in which he asserted that my extended 
absence from FFL not long ago was due to my having had "a series of strokes."
 

 I have never had even one stroke. He made this up out of whole cloth.
 

 Now, that doesn't *necessarily* mean JamesAlan also made up the story about 
the dinner conversation with his friend. But it's a red flag, IMHO, that should 
lead one to insist on confirmation of the dinner-conversation story from 
someone known to be well informed and honest.
 
 

 That Salyavin has declined to say where he got his "information," given the 
nature of its source, tells me he is aware that it's iffy but doesn't want 
FFLers to know that.
 

 But you can all make up your own minds about the reliability of this TMO/Tony 
tale.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-08 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

ut having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-08 Thread salyavin808

 and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly 
so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get 
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about 
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable 
way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who 
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and  physics and now 
vedas and physiology.
 

 I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace 
creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even 
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the 
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that 
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do 
about it? 
 

 I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your 
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on 
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive - 
and non TM - schools for their kids.
 

 Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you
 



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam
 

 Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
 Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

 

 We are looking forward to the phone call from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam during 
Lesson Two of the Ramayan in Human Physiology Course this evening. Everyone is 
invited. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It 
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early. 
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

 

 The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to 
the community. Everyone is invited. 
 

 The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and 
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a 
valid dome badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Brilliant. Yes, two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin, 
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's 
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an 
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror 
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and 
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in 
front of its fantasies.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money, especially if 
he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a lot. I doubt he has had to spend 
much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice  fixing up people to pay 
off student loans.
 

 It is very apparent that the guy has money, and it makes sense to me. Why 
wouldn't a highly educated medical man have made a decent amount of money and 
has anyone (imagine!) considered that perhaps his wife has a good job? Or maybe 
there is family money as well. 
 
 As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've heard at 
least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million 
dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts 
as to whether many could have made it in the real world.
 

 I know for a fact they couldn't and didn't. There are so many airy fairy 
neurotics who crowd into the lineup to see their current favorite guru or who 
run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that sounds like the next greatest 
thing. There are many "misfits" and just plain strange human beings on this 
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at 
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last 
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the 
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings 
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really 
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make 
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of 
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these 
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative 
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as 
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.
 

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, Apr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-07 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-07 Thread salyavin808

ed feelings
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-06 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

ook into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in
front of its fantasies.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-06 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

course is instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-06 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

e coin,
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in
front of its fantasies.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-06 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in
front of its fantasies.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-06 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

nd
much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice fixing up people to pay
off student loans.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-06 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

me in an emergency room or maintain a practice fixing up people to pay
off student loans.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-05 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

at
least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million
dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts
as to whether many could have made it in the real world.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-05 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

tra seating will be available in Festival Hall

The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to
the community. Everyone is invited.

The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-05 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

o the lineup to see their current favorite guru or who
run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that sounds like the next greatest
thing. There are many "misfits" and just plain strange human beings on this
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-04 Thread salyavin808

rt to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of 
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these 
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative 
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as 
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.
 

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot
 
 
   

 

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http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

 

 I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-04 Thread salyavin808

aling with the nature of life and
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in
front of its fantasies.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Well they didn't happen, not even
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do
about it?

Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam

Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to
the community. Everyone is invited.

The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive -
and non TM - schools for their kids.

Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam

Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to
the community. Everyone is invited.

The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get 
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about 
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable 
way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who 
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and  physics and now 
vedas and physiology.
 

 I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace 
creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even 
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the 
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that 
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do 
about it? 
 

 I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your 
monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on 
flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive - 
and non TM - schools for their kids.
 

 Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you
 



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam
 

 Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
 Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

 

 We are looking forward to the phone call from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam during 
Lesson Two of the Ramayan in Human Physiology Course this evening. Everyone is 
invited. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It 
starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early. 
Extra room is provided in Festival Hall.

 

 The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to 
the community. Everyone is invited. 
 

 The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and 
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a 
valid dome badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Brilliant. Yes, two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin, 
which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's 
procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an 
object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror 
to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and 
our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in 
front of its fantasies.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money, especially if 
he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a lot. I doubt he has had to spend 
much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice  fixing up people to pay 
off student loans.
 

 It is very apparent that the guy has money, and it makes sense to me. Why 
wouldn't a highly educated medical man have made a decent amount of money and 
has anyone (imagine!) considered that perhaps his wife has a good job? Or maybe 
there is family money as well. 
 
 As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've heard at 
least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million 
dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts 
as to whether many could have made it in the real world.
 

 I know for a fact they couldn't and didn't. There are so many airy fairy 
neurotics who crowd into the lineup to see their current favorite guru or who 
run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that sounds like the next greatest 
thing. There are many "misfits" and just plain strange human beings on this 
Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at 
number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last 
viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the 
Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings 
about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really 
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make 
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of 
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these 
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative 
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as 
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.
 

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really
have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make
an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of
addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these
obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative
opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as
long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

x27;t happen. Well they didn't happen, not even
slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the
lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that
"coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do
about it?

Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam

Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to
the community. Everyone is invited.

The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-03 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Somebody should ask Salyavin about his sources. (If he won't tell you, I will.)

I'd be happy to: Hey Salyavin, tell me about the sources for your assertions
here or, like many of those silly participants on FB, are we simply to believe
what you wrote without some sort of real facts behind your assertions?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and
then spending it all on real estate.

They have big plans you see, the idea has always a world wide network of
palaces and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly
so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get
a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about
string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable
way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who
have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and physics and now
vedas and physiology.

Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-03 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Somebody should ask Salyavin about his sources. (If he won't tell you, I will.)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and
then spending it all on real estate.

Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-03 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Rick makes a good point about this below. Different than Tony Nader’s larger
French Lebanese family portfolio or some of the other altruistic TM big-wigs
this comes as another good reason for the TM movement to post its financials on
operations in detail on its webpages. Not just pie-charts but standard
financial statements in detail readily available to read. If TM and all its
shells is non-profit and charitable prove that it is well run by its trustees
right now. Once again TM's integrity is an open question.
-JaiGuruYou

Actually, that was my post below. I don't think that sounds like Rick, do you?

But, for sure financial reports on all kinds of ways in which people within
the Movement make their money and how donated money is spent should be
mandatory and perhaps it is. Transparency is a good thing - and not just within
the context of the invisibility sutra.

I don't have the time or the interest to start to look into financial reports
the Movement may or may not publish but there seem to be some who are very
interested in it and so I will leave it up to them to dig away. All I ever did
was pay for my education at MIU and a mantra back in 1970 (all of my allowance
at the time which was one pound sterling at the time which, I recall, was the
equivalent of $1.40 US). Other than that I have neither donated time nor money
to any other aspect of Maharishi's/the Movement's real estate plans, palaces,
honey or yagyas. Consequently, I am not compelled to worry about whether Tony
Nader's lavish lifestyle has been financed by those who thought they were
paying for a healing effect brought on by those yodeling a yagya or two or
whether he has inherited, earned or won the money via lottery. But, by all
means, dig up those financials - if they don't exist surely laws in the US with
regard to corporations like the TM Movement require such a thing. Anyone know?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

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salyavin808 writes:

This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and
then spending it all on real estate.

Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-03 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Actually, that was my post below. I don't think that sounds like Rick, do you?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

salyavin808 writes:

This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and
then spending it all on real estate.

Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

his wife has a good job? Or maybe
there is family money as well.

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-05-02 Thread salyavin808

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world
plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and
then spending it all on real estate.

Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-04-27 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam

Enjoy an Evening with
Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall

The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to
the community. Everyone is invited.

The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and
completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a
valid dome badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-04-27 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-04-26 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-04-26 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

even a harem.

  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

He is sort of like the TM Pope. yeah, Maharishi paid him his weight in gold in 
1998 and it was "only" worth $288/oz. then. He has some money if he held onto 
it. ...I wonder if he bulked up before the weigh in? "Yeah, three large combo 
pizzas, double cheese...ok, bread-sticks too...do you guys still sell those 
cinnamon buns??...". If it was me I'd have walked in still munching a sub, 
heavy flack vest under my shirt, fishing weights in my crotch, pockets full of 
marbles, a sandbag down the back of my pants, barely able to mount the scale...
You're frickin' hilarious. I wasn't sure if he was supposed to, as a Raja, 
declare lifelong celibacy, give away all earthly goods, swear off anything to 
eat except stale bread and water and wander the world washing the feet of 
beggars. On the other hand, with a title like "Raja" I would expect some sort 
of palatial digs in Palm Beach and a host of attentive slaves at his beck and 
call.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum.   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-04-26 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I'd bet a dime to a doughnut hole that Tony returned the gold to Maharishi the 
moment the weighing was over.

  From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 11:07 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

    He is sort of like the TM Pope. yeah, Maharishi paid him his weight in gold 
in 1998 and it was "only" worth $288/oz. then. He has some money if he held 
onto it. ...I wonder if he bulked up before the weigh in? "Yeah, three large 
combo pizzas, double cheese...ok, bread-sticks too...do you guys still sell 
those cinnamon buns??...". If it was me I'd have walked in still munching a 
sub, heavy flack vest under my shirt, fishing weights in my crotch, pockets 
full of marbles, a sandbag down the back of my pants, barely able to mount the 
scale... 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum.   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-04-26 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money, especially if 
he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a lot. I doubt he has had to spend 
much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice  fixing up people to pay 
off student loans.
As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've heard at 
least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million 
dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts 
as to whether many could have made it in the real world.

  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum.   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-04-26 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

He is sort of like the TM Pope. yeah, Maharishi paid him his weight in gold in
1998 and it was "only" worth $288/oz. then. He has some money if he held onto
it. ...I wonder if he bulked up before the weigh in? "Yeah, three large combo
pizzas, double cheese...ok, bread-sticks too...do you guys still sell those
cinnamon buns??...". If it was me I'd have walked in still munching a sub,
heavy flack vest under my shirt, fishing weights in my crotch, pockets full of
marbles, a sandbag down the back of my pants, barely able to mount the scale...

You're frickin' hilarious. I wasn't sure if he was supposed to, as a Raja,
declare lifelong celibacy, give away all earthly goods, swear off anything to
eat except stale bread and water and wander the world washing the feet of
beggars. On the other hand, with a title like "Raja" I would expect some sort
of palatial digs in Palm Beach and a host of attentive slaves at his beck and
call.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-04-26 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

He is sort of like the TM Pope. yeah, Maharishi paid him his weight in gold in 
1998 and it was "only" worth $288/oz. then. He has some money if he held onto 
it. ...I wonder if he bulked up before the weigh in? "Yeah, three large combo 
pizzas, double cheese...ok, bread-sticks too...do you guys still sell those 
cinnamon buns??...". If it was me I'd have walked in still munching a sub, 
heavy flack vest under my shirt, fishing weights in my crotch, pockets full of 
marbles, a sandbag down the back of my pants, barely able to mount the scale... 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 

 I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot

2016-04-26 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 
http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/
 

 I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a 
scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement 
since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're 
a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or 
something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no 
surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an 
idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum.

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