[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's do a dog walk together sometime. We've got two. Sounds good ... except our dog is very small and not at all fond of most other dogs, and that is putting it mildly. Perhaps it is the terrier in her. Understandable, I suppose, when I remember most other dogs could kill her with one bite. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/22/05 7:56 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you could mellow out the Winters and Summers, you could add one more old 'ru to the population! Now that FF has a fantastic beach at Waterworks Park, my wife and I are enjoying the summer heat here a great deal more than in previous years. And coming from Maine (which so far this year has been cold and wet), we are quite pleased that Spring is in full force here in March (as opposed to June in Maine if we were lucky :-) ) We have never seen a town that provided such a perfect balance of nourishment for spirit, soul, and body as FF now does. We've both lost weight just from walking our dog around the trails early in the AM and in late afternoon... and everyone is FRIENDLY. Wow! Let's do a dog walk together sometime. We've got two. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Rick Archer wrote: on 6/21/05 11:30 PM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome back, Rory! You were in ff? Thank you, gf! Yes; was and am. FF just keeps getting better and better. Now (somewhat to our surprise) we have become semi-permanent residents. And we're VERY glad to have you. Let that be an invitation to ya'll. The more cool people we throw into the mix here, the better it gets. Housing is affordable, traffic and crime and negligible, employment is erratic, but if you're self-employed, it's ideal. Mountains and oceans are a bit scarce, but maybe after the earth changes If you could mellow out the Winters and Summers, you could add one more old 'ru to the population! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. Not just that. When I brought up this metaphor, I forgot to mention that elephants believe in turnabout is fair play. :-) They are also known to have long... well, memories... But they only mate once every seven years or so, so I suspect that Dr. Pete is in no immediate danger... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, seems like some people in South florida have a problem with this type of activity. So Kali yuga of them, isn't it? --There are no hills in S Florida. That explains how Dr. Pete could pull off the elephant thang so easily... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, seems like some people in South florida have a problem with this type of activity. So Kali yuga of them, isn't it? --There are no hills in S Florida. That explains how Dr. Pete could pull off the elephant thang so easily... :-) Hills are a matter of perspective To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you could mellow out the Winters and Summers, you could add one more old 'ru to the population! Now that FF has a fantastic beach at Waterworks Park, my wife and I are enjoying the summer heat here a great deal more than in previous years. And coming from Maine (which so far this year has been cold and wet), we are quite pleased that Spring is in full force here in March (as opposed to June in Maine if we were lucky :-) ) We have never seen a town that provided such a perfect balance of nourishment for spirit, soul, and body as FF now does. We've both lost weight just from walking our dog around the trails early in the AM and in late afternoon... and everyone is FRIENDLY. Wow! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, seems like some people in South florida have a problem with this type of activity. So Kali yuga of them, isn't it? --There are no hills in S Florida. That explains how Dr. Pete could pull off the elephant thang so easily... :-) Oh, did he pull it off? You may be in real trouble now, Dr. Pete. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you could mellow out the Winters and Summers, you could add one more old 'ru to the population! Now that FF has a fantastic beach at Waterworks Park, my wife and I are enjoying the summer heat here a great deal more than in previous years. And coming from Maine (which so far this year has been cold and wet), we are quite pleased that Spring is in full force here in March (as opposed to June in Maine if we were lucky :-) ) We have never seen a town that provided such a perfect balance of nourishment for spirit, soul, and body as FF now does. We've both lost weight just from walking our dog around the trails early in the AM and in late afternoon... and everyone is FRIENDLY. Wow! * MUM has asked the Fairfield Police Dept. to enforce the 10PM bedtime rule for meditators, so make sure you are out of Waterworks Park by 10PM: http://tinyurl.com/bduhd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
MMY inaugerated the first Meditation Academy 20.april 1961 in Rishikesh, and the first International TTC startet 16.04.1961 with 60 participants, including 3 from Norway. Two of them was autorized as Teachers in Deep Meditation. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who, other than MMY, was teaching TM in 1962? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. We were not told the difference between Householders Mantras and Mantras given for recluse life. The fact is that we were not told anything at all. In 1962, I got the Mantra one day, and the teacher checked the mantra the day after and then left. The next time I saw her, was 20 years after. But most of us continued to meditate. That was the days where we were allowed to practice long meditations - .I once meditated in 12 hours - and came out quite dizzy, it was rather dangerous. So in the beginning of the Movement it seems that MMY and we were learning by doing. The strongest survived. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
But if one stands on a boulder then the elephant can lift it and one can push their dick in it and it can run up a hill. See, all things work out in the end. - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote:snipI was just playing Bob. To tell you to shut up is like trying to lift a boulder and stand on it at the same time. This could even be harder than pushing an elephant up a hill with your dick.lurk - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're like a freaking 45 single. One track one track. We just don't mind. http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/checking/checking3.shtml To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if one stands on a boulder then the elephant can lift it and one can push their dick in it and it can run up a hill. See, all things work out in the end. Yup. It's just a question of putting your mind to the tusk. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry from my side, too. I understand about the German-to- English thing. Okay. What I was reacting to was a general attitude taken so for granted (possibly not in you but in the people there in that hotel, in that place and time) that no one sees anything questionable about certain ways of looking at this sad, sad situation. For example: ...he got some mental problems and because of that, the Purusha board wanted to sent him away. Yeah, that's how a civilized ideal society reacts to someone developing mental problems, all right. Don't provide any real help for the person, send them away so that they aren't an embarrassment to the movement. I guess it's not so easy Barry. When a person develops a psychosis, I am not sure about the actual diagnosis, they obviously need some grounding. Purusha is like a intense rounding course. We had doctors who really cared about these people, and put them off rounding etc. For example I once had to take care of another person with a similar problem, to get him grounded, that is see that we he works, is active, and have an eye on him. But the person was very spaced out, it was difficult to do. Sure, the movement could have done more, have put him at a different place, which was more of a working situation than Purusha. But some simply needed medication. I have no idea about rehabilitation, but I think its not so easy. Strangely enough, I heard that the German doctor who was in charge, developed himself sympthons, but of course as a doctor he had some insight himself. He was moved to Seelisberg, were there was a less intrense atmosphere at the time, and I heard he sort of got balanced. I don't know exactly because it happened after I had left. People with mental problems are usually put away from the higher storeys, because the administration was afraid people would jump out of the window. So they put him into a room at the basement. My grandmother also suffered mental problems, in the American South, during the 30s. Her husband, ashamed that anyone associated with his family might be crazy, had her locked away in one of those snake-pit insane asylums for forty years, and told my mother and her brother that she had died. The idea again was to put the embarrassment out of sight, not to help the person in any way. Sten was certainly not looked away. He has lived in the basement, but so have lived others there. There were ordinary rooms there. I think that before they decided to send him away, they tried to care about him here, but they didn't inform everybody. It's the Sem story again. The people in charge are more concerned with tarnishing the image of the fantasy they live in than they are in any compassionate caring for someone who is having problems. And they find it difficult to conceive of the fact that anyone *in* such an ideal society *could* be having problems. Everybody knew that people had such problems, this was never hidden. Like with the other friend I told you about, who's buddy I became for that very reason. I don't know why they kept the suicide secret. Maybe they wanted to preserve his memory, or they didn't want people to get shocked, you know on high rounding. I think they should have informed us, but everybody knew anyway. Btw. Sten was liked by everybody. Everybody was involved, because in the morning, at 7 am, the alarm was ringing, and everybody was asked to come to the flying hall, no exception. People had to make sure there was full attendance, there is the group-structure, the groupleaders had to make sure everybody was there. Nobody knew what was going on. They were making a count. Then it was rumoured that there was a fire in the basement in the night. All this was for identification, and to make sure no one else was missing. Then at the end of it we were told about the tragic accident, and that our friend Sten had died. So they stick the guy in a basement room full of old stinky mattresses for his own good, until they can send him away and make him someone else's problem. Yeah, but he wasn't looked away. I knew people that liked to be in the basement, who liked the cavelike atmosphere. As I said it was not to lock him away, but a vain attempt to prevent what actually happened. I'm sorry, but compassion this is not. Caring this is not. Officially it was only an accident... Officially, it would have been deemed neglect, possibly criminal neglect, in some countries. Stens death was sad, but I don't look down on him in any way. No comment. Just the fact that someone could even *conceive* of looking down on Sten for his actions says it all. Bad wording from my side. AFAIK everyone liked Sten. Peter Warburthon was saying that he prepared for us the rooms in heaven. I was just trying to point out that what you insinuate was *not* the case. I'm sorry...it may well
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I knew it was bad wording, but it was late, and I just had no idea how else to describe my feeling better. By many suicide is seen as a sin, or some kind bad karmic action. I just wanted to express that we, the people I knew didn't have these feelings about him. Well explained. Thanks. I really didn't mean to be blasting you personally; it's just that the whole situation is so unbelievably *sad*, and for me has such sad implications for the mindset of the organization in which it happened, that I was somewhat shocked by the almost normal, every- day manner in which you described the situation. I realize now that it was simply an issue of language. I'd probably unwittingly do the same thing if I tried to express myself in my as-yet- far-from-perfect French. I *know* that it wasn't your intention. It just pushed some of the same buttons in me that got pushed when I worked at National and would hear people talking about the latest person who'd committed suicide while on a TM course. The concern was always how to downplay the story and make it go away. The very possibility that these suicides (and there were quite a few more of them than you might imagine) might have some- thing to do with the program itself was never addressed. That was simply unthinkable. TM is 100% life-supporting. There couldn't possibly BE a connection. For me, as I suggested in a followup post, the issue is about myth. The myth of the ideal society brought about by TM was for these people far more important than the reality of the every- day society of TMers they lived in. If there was a conflict between the myth and the reality, it was always assumed that something was wrong with one's perception of the reality, because the myth couldn't possibly be wrong. Weird, now that I look back on it. But at the time, I occasionally felt the same way, so I can try to be compassionate when dealing with others who still think this way, because I thought that way once, too. The shadows one encounters on a pathway to light, eh man? Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Even now though you guys don't have a clue as to how to prevent such things from happening again in the Movement. - Original Message - From: t3rinity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]...wrote: Sorry from my side, too. I understand about the German-to- English thing. Okay. What I was reacting to was a general attitude taken so for granted (possibly not in you but in the people there in \ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/21/05 12:02 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My grandmother also suffered mental problems, in the American South, during the 30s. Her husband, ashamed that anyone associated with his family might be crazy, had her locked away in one of those snake-pit insane asylums for forty years, and told my mother and her brother that she had died. The idea again was to put the embarrassment out of sight, not to help the person in any way. Two stories regarding suicide and mental illness: My mother was in and out of mental hospitals throughout most of my teenage years and early 20's and tried to commit suicide three times - nearly succeeding. When I became a TM teacher, I began to ask Maharishi what I could do about the situation. He would always go inward when I asked this. I didn't get the impression he was avoiding the question. I got the impression we was checking it out and doing a sankalpa for me (making a resolve to help on a subtle level). Finally, in 1974 when I was on International Staff, my mother was in an out of the hospital phase and expressed the desire to join me in Switzerland. I asked Maharishi if she could and he readily agreed. I feel to this day that that was very kind and generous of him. I wasn't paying my way, and nor could she, nor did he expect her to be a very useful member of staff. He just was rewarding me for my service and in essence, volunteering to help my mother. Which he did. Her first comment after she met him was, He looks right into your soul! She stayed 9 months and underwent a huge transformation. Never went back to serious mental illness, although she got a bit kooky in her final years. She became a siddha and completed Phase I of TTC. 2nd story: During my stint on International Staff, a girl jumped naked off her balcony in her ATR hotel in Brünnen, during an argument with her boyfriend. She died instantly. I was sent down to do damage control - to talk to the staff, who were rather shaken up, but also with instructions to advise them to keep the situation quiet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Rick, I always liked your mom. Even as I write this I can see and hear her. She had an unusual voice! She always spoke so proudly of you and Carol. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My mother was in and out of mental hospitals throughout most of my teenage years and early 20's and tried to commit suicide three times - nearly succeeding. When I became a TM teacher, I began to ask Maharishi what I could do about the situation. He would always go inward when I asked this. I didn't get the impression he was avoiding the question. I got the impression we was checking it out and doing a sankalpa for me (making a resolve to help on a subtle level). Finally, in 1974 when I was on International Staff, my mother was in an out of the hospital phase and expressed the desire to join me in Switzerland. I asked Maharishi if she could and he readily agreed. I feel to this day that that was very kind and generous of him. I wasn't paying my way, and nor could she, nor did he expect her to be a very useful member of staff. He just was rewarding me for my service and in essence, volunteering to help my mother. Which he did. Her first comment after she met him was, He looks right into your soul! She stayed 9 months and underwent a huge transformation. Never went back to serious mental illness, although she got a bit kooky in her final years. She became a siddha and completed Phase I of TTC. 2nd story: During my stint on International Staff, a girl jumped naked off her balcony in her ATR hotel in Brünnen, during an argument with her boyfriend. She died instantly. I was sent down to do damage control - to talk to the staff, who were rather shaken up, but also with instructions to advise them to keep the situation quiet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. --- Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if one stands on a boulder then the elephant can lift it and one can push their dick in it and it can run up a hill. See, all things work out in the end. - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was just playing Bob. To tell you to shut up is like trying to lift a boulder and stand on it at the same time. This could even be harder than pushing an elephant up a hill with your dick. lurk - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're like a freaking 45 single. One track one track. We just don't mind. http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/checking/checking3.shtml To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' --- - Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? Well, seems like some people in South florida have a problem with this type of activity. So Kali yuga of them, isn't it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. Not just that. When I brought up this metaphor, I forgot to mention that elephants believe in turnabout is fair play. :-) Unc They are also known to have long... well, memories... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? It will be sent to a penile institution for rehabilitation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? There are laws against certain activities with animals... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? It will be sent to a penile institution for rehabilitation. belly laugh To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. What the hell made you think your wife *wouldn't* serve you with divorce papers after referring to her as an elephant? Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? There are laws against certain activities with animals... So I have discovered much to my chagrin. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? It will be sent to a penile institution for rehabilitation. Now that is quite an opening post. Welcome back (activate dormant bandwith) lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? There are laws against certain activities with animals... So I have discovered much to my chagrin. TMI... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Welcome back, Rory! You were in ff? --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? It will be sent to a penile institution for rehabilitation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Well, seems like some people in South florida have aproblem with this type of activity. So Kali yuga ofthem, isn't it?--There are no hills in S Florida. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that is quite an opening post. Welcome back (activate dormant bandwith) Thanks, lurk. Yes, I enjoy silence (and a good lurk), but that pun was simply irresistible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome back, Rory! You were in ff? Thank you, gf! Yes; was and am. FF just keeps getting better and better. Now (somewhat to our surprise) we have become semi-permanent residents. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/21/05 11:30 PM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome back, Rory! You were in ff? Thank you, gf! Yes; was and am. FF just keeps getting better and better. Now (somewhat to our surprise) we have become semi-permanent residents. And we're VERY glad to have you. Let that be an invitation to ya'll. The more cool people we throw into the mix here, the better it gets. Housing is affordable, traffic and crime and negligible, employment is erratic, but if you're self-employed, it's ideal. Mountains and oceans are a bit scarce, but maybe after the earth changes To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/19/05 11:58 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Japa on Om. Just OM by itself? - Original Message - From: Rick Archer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/19/05 10:18 PM, shukra69 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what exactly is aumkara ka japa? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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on 6/20/05 12:11 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/19/05 11:58 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all Vedic caste based shit, and is not the Dharma of Liberation which is free from such meager and worldly fears. Amma said something like this too. That this OM prohibition was something Brahmins used to lord it over lower castes. Except that apparently for Gurudev, 'twas a householder/female thing,not a brahmin thing... Except that he was a Brahmin. So maybe he had some cultural bias. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On Jun 20, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Rick Archer wrote: So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I know an entire group of people who use Aumkara extensively and none of them are renunciatesalthough we received the technique from a renunciate.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. Presently I have pretty much squelched my huge collection of practices just down to one or two basics. Mainly I do the mantra accumulation on the Vajra Guru mantra - Om ah hum vajra guru peme sidhi hung. Since I have focused down onto doing numbers of this one mantra every single thing in my life has become better. Om itself is or isn't important depending upon where it is in your practice and what it's purpose. I hope this helps. I hardly see why people are afraid of such a holy word, when they constantly use unholy words at every turn without fear. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. We were not told the difference between Householders Mantras and Mantras given for recluse life. The fact is that we were not told anything at all. In 1962, I got the Mantra one day, and the teacher checked the mantra the day after and then left. The next time I saw her, was 20 years after. But most of us continued to meditate. That was the days where we were allowed to practice long meditations - .I once meditated in 12 hours - and came out quite dizzy, it was rather dangerous. So in the beginning of the Movement it seems that MMY and we were learning by doing. The strongest survived. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I have never had a guru. - Original Message - From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques Llundrub wrote:Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniqueson 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are:Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snipIf you have a "guru mantra" then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the "secret" mantras are often much shorter. :)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Inge, there are no householder mantras and no recluse mantras. These are TMO ideas. There are Shaiva mantras and Shakta mantras. - Original Message - From: Ingegerd To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. We were not told the difference between Householders Mantras and Mantras given for recluse life. The fact is that we were not told anything at all. In 1962, I got the Mantra one day, and the teacher checked the mantra the day after and then left. The next time I saw her, was 20 years after. But most of us continued to meditate. That was the days where we were allowed to practice long meditations - .I once meditated in 12 hours - and came out quite dizzy, it was rather dangerous. So in the beginning of the Movement it seems that MMY and we were learning by doing. "The strongest survived."Ingegerd--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yes, just OM!So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a "guru mantra" then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the "secret" mantras are often much shorter. :)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Well. I have been some time in the TMO, so most of what I know is from MMY - and what he says about Householder Mantras and the balance between silence and activity. So what you are saying is new for me and interesting. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inge, there are no householder mantras and no recluse mantras. These are TMO ideas. There are Shaiva mantras and Shakta mantras. - Original Message - From: Ingegerd To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. We were not told the difference between Householders Mantras and Mantras given for recluse life. The fact is that we were not told anything at all. In 1962, I got the Mantra one day, and the teacher checked the mantra the day after and then left. The next time I saw her, was 20 years after. But most of us continued to meditate. That was the days where we were allowed to practice long meditations - .I once meditated in 12 hours - and came out quite dizzy, it was rather dangerous. So in the beginning of the Movement it seems that MMY and we were learning by doing. The strongest survived. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/20/05 12:35 PM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. Did you know Sten from Sweden? He was a good friend of mine. Immolated himself in the basement of M's hotel in Vlodrop. Interesting to note that the vast majority of Purusha guys never got recluse mantras, AFAIK. They're still using the same old mantras and advanced techniques everyone else got. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Interesting. In the tradition I'm with now one can actually practice the mantra while in activity. I was even told to try it while driving on the way home and though a little dubious did and found that my awareness was increased (but don't try this with the TM mantra). On my TTC many decided to go home and start businesses so they could become financially independent and spend more time around Maharishi. What they did was go home and start business, became yuppies and forgot all about TM. :) Hence I often credit Maharishi with inventing yuppies. :0 - Bhairitu Ingegerd wrote: I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. We were not told the difference between Householders Mantras and Mantras given for recluse life. The fact is that we were not told anything at all. In 1962, I got the Mantra one day, and the teacher checked the mantra the day after and then left. The next time I saw her, was 20 years after. But most of us continued to meditate. That was the days where we were allowed to practice long meditations - .I once meditated in 12 hours - and came out quite dizzy, it was rather dangerous. So in the beginning of the Movement it seems that MMY and we were learning by doing. The strongest survived. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Exactly and that is why you are using long mantras. ;-) The guru mantra is a mantra that has been passed down in a tradition. It is the key mantra (also referred to as a beej mantra though in a different sense than beej aksharas) that is used to enliven other mantras. They are very powerful and given only to disciples. The initiation of becoming a disciple (shishya) is the passage of the guru mantra. And in my tradition we will make anyone a disciple who is sincere and genuine in their desire. Many published mantras are tribal mantras and included in books because they are public and the author, if a disciple, can't reveal the mantras his guru gave him. Llundrub wrote: I have never had a guru. - Original Message - From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
In what tradition do you belong? Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly and that is why you are using long mantras. ;-) The guru mantra is a mantra that has been passed down in a tradition. It is the key mantra (also referred to as a beej mantra though in a different sense than beej aksharas) that is used to enliven other mantras. They are very powerful and given only to disciples. The initiation of becoming a disciple (shishya) is the passage of the guru mantra. And in my tradition we will make anyone a disciple who is sincere and genuine in their desire. Many published mantras are tribal mantras and included in books because they are public and the author, if a disciple, can't reveal the mantras his guru gave him. Llundrub wrote: I have never had a guru. - Original Message - From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/20/05 12:35 PM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. Did you know Sten from Sweden? He was a good friend of mine. Immolated himself in the basement of M's hotel in Vlodrop. Interesting to note that the vast majority of Purusha guys never got recluse mantras, AFAIK. They're still using the same old mantras and advanced techniques everyone else got. Just as a matter of interest, I was given mantras for priests and nuns, monks/nuns. A couple of years later (according to the lists at trancenet.org, which I have no reason to doubt), my monk and nun mantras turned up as late teen mantras. People say that TM isn't based on belief. But, you do engage belief, don't you. If you didn't believe it was worthwhile, you wouldn't spend the money. The scientific paraphernalia is designed to increase your belief that it is worthwhile, isn't it? Why else would Maharishi have said We will use science to prove it! G To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Question re immolated himself(!): literally? Do you know the reason why? Do you know what the consequences were? And how Global Good News dealt with self-immolation Maharishi's basement? ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** Did you know Sten from Sweden? He was a good friend of mine. Immolated himself in the basement of M's hotel in Vlodrop. Interesting to note that the vast majority of Purusha guys never got recluse mantras, AFAIK. They're still using the same old mantras and advanced techniques everyone else got. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Kali Sadhaka Garanth. It is a tantric tradition. My guru's guru learned from the son of the Perfume Saint mentioned in Autobiography of a Yogi. http://www.realtantrasolutions.com - Bhairitu Ingegerd wrote: In what tradition do you belong? Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly and that is why you are using long mantras. ;-) The guru mantra is a mantra that has been passed down in a tradition. It is the key mantra (also referred to as a beej mantra though in a different sense than beej aksharas) that is used to enliven other mantras. They are very powerful and given only to disciples. The initiation of becoming a disciple (shishya) is the passage of the guru mantra. And in my tradition we will make anyone a disciple who is sincere and genuine in their desire. Many published mantras are tribal mantras and included in books because they are public and the author, if a disciple, can't reveal the mantras his guru gave him. Llundrub wrote: I have never had a guru. - Original Message - From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Not having a guru doesn't mean I haven't met gurus. Besides I'm a Buddhist. I know all abou tthe kilakam, and I have a penchant for understanding mantras without needing to rely upon anyone for the inside scoop. For instance, I got the kilakam for the 19 syllable Shri Vidya mantra from the air as it were. Trust me Bub, I have heard it all. But you're right as well, I do not use the guru mantra, except for the Vajra Guru mantra, and I do use the longest mantra in the universe. It's called the secret mantra. Have you heardit? - Original Message - From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques Exactly and that is why you are using long mantras. ;-)The guru mantra is a mantra that has been passed down in a tradition. It is the key mantra (also referred to as a "beej mantra" though in a different sense than beej aksharas) that is used to enliven other mantras. They are very powerful and given only to disciples. The initiation of becoming a disciple (shishya) is the passage of the guru mantra. And in my tradition we will make anyone a disciple who is sincere and genuine in their desire.Many published mantras are "tribal mantras" and included in books because they are public and the author, if a disciple, can't reveal the mantras his guru gave him.Llundrub wrote:I have never had a guru.- Original Message - From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:42 AMSubject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniquesLlundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniqueson 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are:Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snipIf you have a "guru mantra" then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the "secret" mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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It was a Sten on my TTC in Arosa in 1975, I do not remember his last name. I started to meditate before all the scientific researches, so I had to rely on my own experiences - and when the scientific researches came out, it was just a confirmation of my own experiences. The same with my students. They start with TM for several reasons, but they continue to meditate because they have great experiences. Very few cares about the scientific researches. If it was based on beliefs, I would have stopped meditating years ago, and my students as well. Ingegerd Did you know Sten from Sweden? He was a good friend of mine. Immolated himself in the basement of M's hotel in Vlodrop. Interesting to note that the vast majority of Purusha guys never got recluse mantras, AFAIK. They're still using the same old mantras and advanced techniques everyone else got. Just as a matter of interest, I was given mantras for priests and nuns, monks/nuns. A couple of years later (according to the lists at trancenet.org, which I have no reason to doubt), my monk and nun mantras turned up as late teen mantras. People say that TM isn't based on belief. But, you do engage belief, don't you. If you didn't believe it was worthwhile, you wouldn't spend the money. The scientific paraphernalia is designed to increase your belief that it is worthwhile, isn't it? Why else would Maharishi have said We will use science to prove it! G To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thank you, Rick. Dark humor, yes, but very funny. LOL. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/20/05 2:26 PM, marekreavis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question re immolated himself(!): literally? Yes. Do you know the reason why? He got very out of balance. I don't know much more than that. Conny Larsson may (fellow Swede). Do you know what the consequences were? And how Global Good News dealt with self-immolation Maharishi's basement? Selfless Purusha Member Lowers Maharishi's Heating Bill To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I don't know what's sadder -- the story or the blasé manner in which it's told. ...he got some mental problems and because of that, the Purusha board wanted to sent him away. People with mental problems are usually put away from the higher storeys, because the administration was afraid people would jump out of the window. So they put him into a room at the basement. Officially it was only an accident... Stens death was sad, but I don't look down on him in any way. And there are people who still claim the TMO wasn't a cult. As Bob Dylan said so well: And you ask me why I don't live here Honey, why do you have to ask me that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thanks for the feedback. He and I were always buddies on courses, took walks together and stuff. So I was sad to hear the news. I hear that every year in Rishikesh lots of people are carted away to mental hospitals who go crazy doing sadhana. on 6/20/05 3:49 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/20/05 2:26 PM, marekreavis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question re immolated himself(!): literally? Yes. Do you know the reason why? He got very out of balance. I don't know much more than that. I was there when it happened. Obviously he got some mental problems and because of that, the Purusha board wanted to sent him away. People with mental problems are usually put away from the higher storeys, because the administration was afraid people would jump out of the window. So they put him into a room at the basement. There was this huge pile of foam matresses stored in the room where he was, which he put to flame. It was a shock to everybody, because Sten was a really nice guy. I even worked with him together, he was working in production, paste up, and I was supervising there. I had not he slightest idea that he had some problem. What really triggered the suicide was the fact that he was very much ad odds with his family, and despararetly didn't want to go home. We all attended his funeral and Peter Warburthon gave a flaming speech. Officially it was only an accident, but word of the real reason got around quickly. Do you know what the consequences were? And how Global Good News dealt with self-immolation Maharishi's basement? I guess with over 200 people meditating many hours every day for many years, things can happen. I heard that many yogis and Sadhus in the Himalaya have mental problems too. Vivekananda said that out of 100 people trying to realize God 90 will give up easily, 9 will go crazy and only one will succeed. For me Stens death was sad, but I don't look down on him in any way. He has done a lot of good in this incarnation, and maybe he just avoided wasting a lot of time in the rest of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all attended his funeral and Peter Warburthon gave a flaming speech. No pun intented To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/20/05 12:11 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/19/05 11:58 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all Vedic caste based shit, and is not the Dharma of Liberation which is free from such meager and worldly fears. Amma said something like this too. That this OM prohibition was something Brahmins used to lord it over lower castes. Except that apparently for Gurudev, 'twas a householder/female thing,not a brahmin thing... Except that he was a Brahmin. So maybe he had some cultural bias. And MMY isn't but was inspired by Gurudev. AH well, whatever floats your boat... ala Donovan. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Who, other than MMY, was teaching TM in 1962? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. We were not told the difference between Householders Mantras and Mantras given for recluse life. The fact is that we were not told anything at all. In 1962, I got the Mantra one day, and the teacher checked the mantra the day after and then left. The next time I saw her, was 20 years after. But most of us continued to meditate. That was the days where we were allowed to practice long meditations - .I once meditated in 12 hours - and came out quite dizzy, it was rather dangerous. So in the beginning of the Movement it seems that MMY and we were learning by doing. The strongest survived. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well. I have been some time in the TMO, so most of what I know is from MMY - and what he says about Householder Mantras and the balance between silence and activity. So what you are saying is new for me and interesting. Ingegerd MMY quite openly acknowledges that the idea of householder vs recluse mantras is unusual. It is THE central point of his commentary of the Gita. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inge, there are no householder mantras and no recluse mantras. These are TMO ideas. There are Shaiva mantras and Shakta mantras. - Original Message - From: Ingegerd To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. We were not told the difference between Householders Mantras and Mantras given for recluse life. The fact is that we were not told anything at all. In 1962, I got the Mantra one day, and the teacher checked the mantra the day after and then left. The next time I saw her, was 20 years after. But most of us continued to meditate. That was the days where we were allowed to practice long meditations - .I once meditated in 12 hours - and came out quite dizzy, it was rather dangerous. So in the beginning of the Movement it seems that MMY and we were learning by doing. The strongest survived. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what's sadder -- the story or the blasé manner in which it's told. Barry, fuck yourself! The story IS sad. Sorry that I don't possess you ability to express myself in all the subtleties of the english language, and I don't know what you are trying to put into my words. ...he got some mental problems and because of that, the Purusha board wanted to sent him away. People with mental problems are usually put away from the higher storeys, because the administration was afraid people would jump out of the window. So they put him into a room at the basement. Officially it was only an accident... Stens death was sad, but I don't look down on him in any way. Many people die of sad reasons. You are just putting things I said out of context and try to cash in on your TM/cult trashing. What's wrong in saying this you idiot? You anger me. Forget it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got mine in Tyon 2000 in summer, 1975. Did anyone have an Aum in their technique? Never heard of this at all. I got mine same time as Arch, AUM and all. lurkl To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. ** Well, that's exactly what Guru Dev said, according to the info in Paul Mason's book: Mantras [sometimes] contain a mixture [of sounds including] aum that are given for auspicious purposes. Another thing is this that women are prohibited from practising japa with a aumkara-yukta mantra (a mantra conjoined with aum). Wherever at the beginning there is the purushha [male] mantra 'aum' then instead women should apply the sound 'shree' . http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm#lifestory But there must have been some problem even with males doing mantras containing OM (which were in some of the Age of Enlightenment techniques), since the A of E techniques were only taught for a short time, and presumably only to males. For both males and females, advanced TM techniques use shri, not OM. http://minet.org/mantras.html lengthier quote from Mason's book: Repetition of the aum mantra -Many people have not done the work of consulting the Shastras in order to determine what is authorised and what is not, they look here and there and from this they understand what they should do to engage in worship. Some people set great measure by the magnificence of the japa of aum. In Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavan certainly said that I am the pranava. But if the purpose is to attain Bhagavan's special form, then why not use the method of grasping the lion as well, since he is also that too? Bhagavan Shri Krishna Chandra said that:- mR^igaanaaM mR^igendro.ahaM [Gita ch10 v30] (Amongst beasts I am the lion). What actually happens to those who proclaim the greatness of using only aumkara ka japa, our experience up until recently we are informing, listen; 2, 4, 10, 20 times constantly repeating aum then no particular effect there will be. But if 2, 4 thousand unceasing repetitions then in a short time [the connection with] the worldly surrounding will become weak. Arsenic is a destroyer, but taking a little then the effects will not be very rapid. If some excessive dose is taken then it actually kills. Those who use the method alone of aumkara ka japa taking it to be the special form find that their worldly discipline certainly weakens; working and regular meals go into decline; wife and son etc become unhealthy and also die. Five, six years ago, we had gone to Lucknow for the occasion of Laksha Chandi Yagya. On that occasion one old woman came to us and 2, 4 people came along also. These people did say that Mataji was a great devotee, all day long she would remain in prayer and worship, but only very recently her two sons who were in the prime of life had died. To this we asked; Were you practicing aumkara ka japa? She answered to Maharaj! The very same is our portion, all day long I did do japa. We said that; well done that for your samsara (worldly life) you have dropped (aum) japa, at this moment do not renounce [the world]. However, by adherence to the practise something very excellent she will destroy, right here is the effect of aumkara ke japa. This then is done somewhere without love and if love's work is being done then the meaning and the object of love will be be annihilated by the influence of aumkara ka japa. For this [reason] grihasthom (householders) are not authorised to do aumkara ke japa alone. Shastra with a view to grant good fortune do not give authority. If there was any benefit to be derived by grihasthom by using aumkara japa there would be no reason for the shastra to prohibit. Mantras [sometimes] contain a mixture [of sounds including] aum that are given for auspicious purposes. Another thing is this that women are prohibited from practising japa with a aumkara-yukta mantra (a mantra conjoined with aum). Wherever at the beginning there is the purushha [male] mantra 'aum' then instead women should apply the sound 'shree' . Bhagavan Shankar [Lord Shiva] giving instruction to Parvati on japa explained that for women aumkara-sahita mantra ka japa [aum connected mantra] can be like poison and for happiness they should only do japa without aumkara. Due consideration should be given that Shankarji gave this information to his own wife. If aumkara is beneficial for a woman to do, why would he instruct his own wife against the practise? ['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 73 of 108 ] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
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Shut Up Just Shut Up! Shut the fuck up. Just shut up for God's Sake. Shut Up! - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Yes, just OM!So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday.**Well, that's exactly what Guru Dev said, according to the info in Paul Mason's book:"Mantras [sometimes] contain a mixture [of sounds including] aum that are given for auspicious purposes. Another thing is this that women are prohibited from practising japa with a aumkara-yukta mantra (a mantra conjoined with aum). Wherever at the beginning there is the purushha [male] mantra 'aum' then instead women should apply the sound 'shree' . " http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm#lifestoryBut there must have been some problem even with males doing mantras containing OM (which were in some of the Age of Enlightenment techniques), since the A of E techniques were only taught for a short time, and presumably only to males. For both males and females, advanced TM techniques use "shri," not OM. http://minet.org/mantras.htmllengthier quote from Mason's book:Repetition of the aum mantra -Many people have not done the work of consulting the Shastras in order to determine what is authorised and what is not, they look here and there and from this they understand what they should do to engage in worship. Some people set great measure by the magnificence of the japa of aum. In Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavan certainly said that I am the pranava. But if the purpose is to attain Bhagavan's special form, then why not use the method of grasping the lion as well, since he is also that too? Bhagavan Shri Krishna Chandra said that:- "mR^igaanaaM mR^igendro.ahaM" [Gita ch10 v30] (Amongst beasts I am the lion). What actually happens to those who proclaim the greatness of using only aumkara ka japa, our experience up until recently we are informing, listen; 2, 4, 10, 20 times constantly repeating aum then no particular effect there will be. But if 2, 4 thousand unceasing repetitions then in a short time [the connection with] the worldly surrounding will become weak. Arsenic is a destroyer, but taking a little then the effects will not be very rapid. If some excessive dose is taken then it actually kills. Those who use the method alone of aumkara ka japa taking it to be the special form find that their worldly discipline certainly weakens; working and regular meals go into decline; wife and son etc become unhealthy and also die. Five, six years ago, we had gone to Lucknow for the occasion of Laksha Chandi Yagya. On that occasion one old woman came to us and 2, 4 people came along also. These people did say that Mataji was a great devotee, all day long she would remain in prayer and worship, but only very recently her two sons who were in the prime of life had died. To this we asked; "Were you practicing aumkara ka japa?" She answered to Maharaj! The very same is our portion, all day long I did do japa. We said that; well done that for your samsara (worldly life) you have dropped (aum) japa, at this moment do not renounce [the world]. However, by adherence to the practise something very excellent she will destroy, right here is the effect of aumkara ke japa. This then is done somewhere without love and if love's work is being done then the meaning and the object of love will be be annihilated by the influence of aumkara ka japa. For this [reason] grihasthom (householders) are not authorised to do aumkara ke japa alone. Shastra with a view to grant good fortune do not give authority. If there was any benefit to be derived by grihasthom by using aumkara japa there would be no reason for the shastra to prohibit. Mantras [sometimes] contain a mixture [of sounds including] aum that are given for auspicious purposes. Another thing is this that women are prohibited from practising japa with a aumkara-yukta mantra (a mantra conjoined with aum). Wherever at the beginning there is the purushha [male] mantra 'aum' then instead women should apply the sound 'shree' . Bhagavan Shankar [Lord Shiva] giving instruction to Parvati on japa explained that for women aumkara-sahita mantra ka japa [aum connected mantra] can be like poison and for happiness they should only do japa without aumkara. Due consideration should be given that Shankarji gave this information to his own wife. If aumkara is beneficial for a woman to do, why would he instruct his own wife against the practise? ['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 73 of 108 ]
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shut Up Just Shut Up! Shut the fuck up. Just shut up for God's Sake. Shut Up! http://www.stanthecaddy.com/the-serenity-now.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You're like a freaking 45 single. One track one track. - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Shut Up Just Shut Up! Shut the fuck up. Just shut up for God's Sake. Shut Up! http://www.stanthecaddy.com/the-serenity-now.htmlTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're like a freaking 45 single. One track one track. We just don't mind. http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/checking/checking3.shtml To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Just pointing it out so that you at least are aware of your limitations. Honestly though, I always had a spot of envy for the true believer. And also it's easy to deal with true believers because they will never let you down. I was just playing Bob. To tell you to shut up is like trying to lift a boulder and stand on it at the same time. - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: You're like a freaking 45 single. One track one track.We just don't mind.http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/checking/checking3.shtmlTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're like a freaking 45 single. One track one track. We just don't mind. Classic Bobananda lurk http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/checking/checking3.shtml To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what's sadder -- the story or the blasé manner in which it's told. Barry, fuck yourself! The story IS sad. Sorry that I don't possess you ability to express myself in all the subtleties of the english language, and I don't know what you are trying to put into my words. Sorry from my side, too. I understand about the German-to- English thing. What I was reacting to was a general attitude taken so for granted (possibly not in you but in the people there in that hotel, in that place and time) that no one sees anything questionable about certain ways of looking at this sad, sad situation. For example: ...he got some mental problems and because of that, the Purusha board wanted to sent him away. Yeah, that's how a civilized ideal society reacts to someone developing mental problems, all right. Don't provide any real help for the person, send them away so that they aren't an embarrassment to the movement. People with mental problems are usually put away from the higher storeys, because the administration was afraid people would jump out of the window. So they put him into a room at the basement. My grandmother also suffered mental problems, in the American South, during the 30s. Her husband, ashamed that anyone associated with his family might be crazy, had her locked away in one of those snake-pit insane asylums for forty years, and told my mother and her brother that she had died. The idea again was to put the embarrassment out of sight, not to help the person in any way. It's the Sem story again. The people in charge are more concerned with tarnishing the image of the fantasy they live in than they are in any compassionate caring for someone who is having problems. And they find it difficult to conceive of the fact that anyone *in* such an ideal society *could* be having problems. So they stick the guy in a basement room full of old stinky mattresses for his own good, until they can send him away and make him someone else's problem. I'm sorry, but compassion this is not. Caring this is not. Officially it was only an accident... Officially, it would have been deemed neglect, possibly criminal neglect, in some countries. Stens death was sad, but I don't look down on him in any way. No comment. Just the fact that someone could even *conceive* of looking down on Sten for his actions says it all. I'm sorry...it may well be the foreign language thing, Michael, but this line made me want to puke. Many people die of sad reasons. You are just putting things I said out of context and try to cash in on your TM/cult trashing. What's wrong in saying this you idiot? You anger me. Forget it. It isn't a question of putting TM down. It's a question of putting a particular cult mindset down. I've seen the same mindset in many organizations, including the Catholic Church (suppressing information about child abuse) and other spiritual organizations. It's just what happens when the myth becomes more important than the reality, when the idea that we have a panacea that will make everyone in the world happy becomes more important than noticing that every- one, even there at the center of things, ISN'T happy. It's the mindset of claiming, to the police and the world, that this incident was an accident, rather than dealing with what it was. It's the absolute anti-enlightenment nature of the whole thing. Sorry, but it just *screams* to be noticed. And the way you presented the story, so blasé, as if it was an episode of bad taste by someone who embarrassed Maha- rishi by setting himself on fire, just fucking pissed me off, man. I wasn't meaning to be angry at you, and wasn't. I was angry at the sadness of it all. Still am. Think it through, man. If it had been you who had been unlucky enough to develop some mental problems and kill yourself, people would be talking about how they didn't really blame you for creating a commotion, too. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just playing Bob. To tell you to shut up is like trying to lift a boulder and stand on it at the same time. This could even be harder than pushing an elephant up a hill with your dick. And not nearly as much fun... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; OM is the first sound of creation, it contains all the energy in an undifferentiated form that is later structured by the hymns of the Vedas. So if you are living in a cave, using OM as a mantra, which aligns one with the undifferentiated, is OK, since a cave dweller does not need to function in society. But OM (used a mantra for meditation, not just the occasional use in saying a prayer or whatever) is a problem for a householder who needs to function in many differentiated ways, that's why there are householder mantras (derived from the Rig Veda). As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot of Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following the recluse path (although there were certainly some fascinating stories of ladies leading their husbands to enlightenment like Queen Cuddala does for Sikhidvaja in the Yoga Vasistha), so because the householder path is the way to go for ladies, this would lead to barring the possibility of use of OM mantra for ladies. Maharishi on sanyasi mantra (OM): http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/beacon/beacon2.shtml he mantras that suit the Sanyasis can never suit the householders. Hundreds of God-loving and God-fearing families, have been ruined due to the destructive effects of Sanyasa Mantra viz, Om. Om destroys desires and also destroys the objects of desires and therefore it produces calmness of mind and renunciation and detachment from material life only to Sanyasis when they repeat Om; to them it brings the experience of peace of mind and from this experience they generally recommend the chanting of 'Om' to their followers. But when a householder repeats Om, he experiences that as long as he is repeating 'Om' he feels peace of mind, but when he comes out to indulge in business or household work, he finds that the air is against his desire and schemes. The silencing effect on the mind and destructive effects in material life, both are experienced side by side. Some people say that we should ignore material life in regard to the devotional practices and Mantras. But this is a fool's ideology. Can you possibly ignore the considerations of material life, when the Mantras do affect it? Select a path which will make you happier in your material life also. Do not live in a fool's paradise. Do not think that your sufferings end miseries of today will work as reservations in the galleries of heaven for tomorrow. Be peaceful and happy in the present and try to make this state permanent. This is the path of Deliverance in Life Jeevan-Mukti, the most exalted state in human existence, the state of abiding Peace and Eternal Bliss. And this you are entitled to have through correct and suitable Sadhana. And because the Mantras play an important role in the field of Sadhana, you must be very very careful in the selection of the Mantra. The theory of Mantras is the theory of sound. It is most scientific and natural. Ladies should never repeat any Mantra beginning with Om. The pronounciation of Om is like fire to the ladies. This is the practical experience of many devoted ladies who repeated 'Om Namah Shivaya' or 'Om Namonarayanaya' or 'Om Namo Bhagwate Vasudevaya' or any such mantra beginning with Om. It cannot be God's wish that you should suffer in your devotion to him. Do not cling to the unhelpful Mantras. The moment you find you have got into the wrong train, it is wise to get down from it as soon as possible. It is foolish to stick on to the wrong train and go wherever it takes you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I have a question about Ohm. I got some mantras from one of MMY Pudits - a Professor in Sanskrit - and the instruction how to use it - and they contain Ohm. I am meditating TM of course - but when I use the Mantras with OHM, they are very powerful and blissfull - and gives a lot of energy. So when you say householders, do you only mean celebacy - or do you mean common activities in the society as well. I have a lot of common activities in society, and I do not find The Ohm mantras are any hindrance for that. Quite opposite, I think. So I was really surprised when I in this Forum, learned the Ohm- Mantras in not for women. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; OM is the first sound of creation, it contains all the energy in an undifferentiated form that is later structured by the hymns of the Vedas. So if you are living in a cave, using OM as a mantra, which aligns one with the undifferentiated, is OK, since a cave dweller does not need to function in society. But OM (used a mantra for meditation, not just the occasional use in saying a prayer or whatever) is a problem for a householder who needs to function in many differentiated ways, that's why there are householder mantras (derived from the Rig Veda). As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot of Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following the recluse path (although there were certainly some fascinating stories of ladies leading their husbands to enlightenment like Queen Cuddala does for Sikhidvaja in the Yoga Vasistha), so because the householder path is the way to go for ladies, this would lead to barring the possibility of use of OM mantra for ladies. Maharishi on sanyasi mantra (OM): http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/beacon/beacon2.shtml he mantras that suit the Sanyasis can never suit the householders. Hundreds of God-loving and God-fearing families, have been ruined due to the destructive effects of Sanyasa Mantra viz, Om. Om destroys desires and also destroys the objects of desires and therefore it produces calmness of mind and renunciation and detachment from material life only to Sanyasis when they repeat Om; to them it brings the experience of peace of mind and from this experience they generally recommend the chanting of 'Om' to their followers. But when a householder repeats Om, he experiences that as long as he is repeating 'Om' he feels peace of mind, but when he comes out to indulge in business or household work, he finds that the air is against his desire and schemes. The silencing effect on the mind and destructive effects in material life, both are experienced side by side. Some people say that we should ignore material life in regard to the devotional practices and Mantras. But this is a fool's ideology. Can you possibly ignore the considerations of material life, when the Mantras do affect it? Select a path which will make you happier in your material life also. Do not live in a fool's paradise. Do not think that your sufferings end miseries of today will work as reservations in the galleries of heaven for tomorrow. Be peaceful and happy in the present and try to make this state permanent. This is the path of Deliverance in Life Jeevan-Mukti, the most exalted state in human existence, the state of abiding Peace and Eternal Bliss. And this you are entitled to have through correct and suitable Sadhana. And because the Mantras play an important role in the field of Sadhana, you must be very very careful in the selection of the Mantra. The theory of Mantras is the theory of sound. It is most scientific and natural. Ladies should never repeat any Mantra beginning with Om. The pronounciation of Om is like fire to the ladies. This is the practical experience of many devoted ladies who repeated 'Om Namah Shivaya' or 'Om Namonarayanaya' or 'Om Namo Bhagwate Vasudevaya' or any such mantra beginning with Om. It cannot be God's wish that you should suffer in your devotion to him. Do not cling to the unhelpful Mantras. The moment you find you have got into the wrong train, it is wise to get down from it as soon as possible. It is foolish to stick on to the wrong train and go wherever it takes you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot of Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following the recluse path (although there were certainly some fascinating stories of ladies leading their husbands to enlightenment like Queen Cuddala does for Sikhidvaja in the Yoga Vasistha), so because the householder path is the way to go for ladies, this would lead to barring the possibility of use of OM mantra for ladies. http://www.adolphus.nl/sadhus/sadhvi.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Thank you. Llundrup - I learn something new every day. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what Bob means is that if a person can hold a house in one hand then they cannot use the mantra OM. Oh, I see you used the plural - householders. In this case the same applies. If one can hold a house in two hands then they cannot use the mantra OM. On the other hand, what constitutes use exactly? For instance, I once worked with someone who said they were a great chef, who used an old garden trowel for a pie spatula. It certainly had a poor effect upon his reputation and earning ability. Maybe one shouldn't clear their throat because it sounds like Om. Men technically shouldn't pluck their eyebrows. The reason oysters shouldn't be eaten certain months is that they also need to live. Chickens cross the road because they weren't eaten. Chicken Little was a chicken and shouldn't have been held to a level of human understanding. Mantras like words can be used to voice ones own aspirations or to toe the company line. In either case a dictionary never hurts. None of the above. Use it or lose it. Om or Mo, who knows? I mixed too many weird foods today so I couldn't sleep and just threw up. I'll still eat Mexican food though in the future. Om Mani Peme Hung. Om Tare Tutare Ture Soha. Om Bhu Om Bhuvaha Om Swaha Om Maha Om Janaha Om Tapaha Om Satyam Om tat savitur varenyam bhargo devasya dimahi diyo yonaha prachodiyat. Om Hoom Joom Sah Om Triam Bhakam Yajamahe Sugandhim Pushti Vardenam Urvar Ukamikam Bandhinan Mrityur Mookshaya Mamritat Sah Joom Hoom Om. I'm still standing Intention is everything. This is probably why Shiva has been excluded from the TMO. - Original Message - From: Ingegerd To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques I have a question about Ohm. I got some mantras from one of MMY Pudits - a Professor in Sanskrit - and the instruction how to use it - and they contain Ohm. I am meditating TM of course - but when I use the Mantras with OHM, they are very powerful and blissfull - and gives a lot of energy. So when you say householders, do you only mean celebacy - or do you mean common activities in the society as well. I have a lot of common activities in society, and I do not find The Ohm mantras are any hindrance for that. Quite opposite, I think. So I was really surprised when I in this Forum, learned the Ohm- Mantras in not for women. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; OM is the first sound of creation, it contains all the energy in an undifferentiated form that is later structured by the hymns of the Vedas. So if you are living in a cave, using OM as a mantra, which aligns one with the undifferentiated, is OK, since a cave dweller does not need to function in society. But OM (used a mantra for meditation, not just the occasional use in saying a prayer or whatever) is a problem for a householder who needs to function in many differentiated ways, that's why there are householder mantras (derived from the Rig Veda). As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot of Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following the recluse path (although there were certainly some fascinating stories of ladies leading their husbands to enlightenment like Queen Cuddala does for Sikhidvaja in the Yoga Vasistha), so because the householder path is the way to go for ladies, this would lead to barring the possibility of use of OM mantra for ladies. Maharishi on sanyasi mantra (OM): http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/beacon/beacon2.shtml he mantras that suit the Sanyasis can never suit the householders. Hundreds of God-loving and God-fearing families, have been ruined due to the destructive effects of Sanyasa Mantra viz, Om. Om destroys desires and also destroys the objects of desires and therefore it produces calmness of mind and renunciation and detachment from material life only to Sanyasis when they repeat Om; to them it brings the experience of peace of mind and from this experience they generally recommend the chanting of 'Om' to their followers. But when a householder repeats Om, he experiences that as long as he is repeating 'Om' he feels peace of mind, but when he comes out to indulge in business or household work, he finds that the air is against his desire and schemes. The silencing effect on the mind
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/18/05 11:35 PM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; I remember him saying that since it is an eternal sound and yet can only be chanted intermittently by a human being, that somehow (along with the vibe of the sound itself) produces an influence that inclines anyone who chants it toward recluse life. My understanding is it is associated with the Goddess Kali. I can see why, Maharishi would say that married women, should not relate to closely: to the insatiable Kali. And the sound of Aum, Is that Universal sound or vibration of Creation. And everything dissolves into it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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on 6/19/05 2:08 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; OM is the first sound of creation, it contains all the energy in an undifferentiated form that is later structured by the hymns of the Vedas. So if you are living in a cave, using OM as a mantra, which aligns one with the undifferentiated, is OK, since a cave dweller does not need to function in society. But OM (used a mantra for meditation, not just the occasional use in saying a prayer or whatever) is a problem for a householder who needs to function in many differentiated ways, that's why there are householder mantras (derived from the Rig Veda). As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot of Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following the recluse path Ammachi, Shree Maa, Karunamayi, Mirabai, Mother Meera, etc. etc. Maharishi on sanyasi mantra (OM): http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/beacon/beacon2.shtml Sounds reasonable but I know a lot of people who have been meditating with OM for years and are wealthy, successful, and happy. So I guess a controlled study is in order. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Thank you Rick. I think I will continue to do some practise including Ohm-Mantra. I really like the effect. Ingegerd -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/19/05 2:08 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; OM is the first sound of creation, it contains all the energy in an undifferentiated form that is later structured by the hymns of the Vedas. So if you are living in a cave, using OM as a mantra, which aligns one with the undifferentiated, is OK, since a cave dweller does not need to function in society. But OM (used a mantra for meditation, not just the occasional use in saying a prayer or whatever) is a problem for a householder who needs to function in many differentiated ways, that's why there are householder mantras (derived from the Rig Veda). As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot of Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following the recluse path Ammachi, Shree Maa, Karunamayi, Mirabai, Mother Meera, etc. etc. Maharishi on sanyasi mantra (OM): http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/beacon/beacon2.shtml Sounds reasonable but I know a lot of people who have been meditating with OM for years and are wealthy, successful, and happy. So I guess a controlled study is in order. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Llundrub wrote: Plus advanced Sorry, I'm probably confusing some here. In general, mantra shastra divides mantras between shakti and shiva mantras. Shakti mantras are considered more intense than shiva mantras and therefore usually not given to the general public. This is held in a lot of traditions. Both enliven the shakti but the shiva mantras seem to be safer for the process. --What do you think about MMY's contention that Om is deadly to females and householders? And if you don't mind, could you give a few Shiva mantras besides Om, for us more dense people. You mean masculine as opposed to feminine mantras right? So for instance Gum, Glaum, Om, and such? The principal Shiva mantra is Om Namah Shivaya. Also Om Shivaya Namaha. Then there's the much longer Mritunjaya Mantra which is good for promoting health. There, as usual, are lots of Shiva mantas. The definition is more like shakti is the active and shiva is the passive. You can refer to symbology and information with this picture: http://realtantrasolutions.com/aboutkali.htm - Bhairitu To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Rick Archer wrote: on 6/19/05 2:08 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; OM is the first sound of creation, it contains all the energy in an undifferentiated form that is later structured by the hymns of the Vedas. So if you are living in a cave, using OM as a mantra, which aligns one with the undifferentiated, is OK, since a cave dweller does not need to function in society. But OM (used a mantra for meditation, not just the occasional use in saying a prayer or whatever) is a problem for a householder who needs to function in many differentiated ways, that's why there are householder mantras (derived from the Rig Veda). As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot of Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following the recluse path Ammachi, Shree Maa, Karunamayi, Mirabai, Mother Meera, etc. etc. Maharishi on sanyasi mantra (OM): http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/beacon/beacon2.shtml Sounds reasonable but I know a lot of people who have been meditating with OM for years and are wealthy, successful, and happy. So I guess a controlled study is in order. I don't do know of any other tradition which believes this Om thing outside of TM. Do you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I don't do know of any other tradition which believes this Om thing outside of TM. Do you? I believe that that is one of the things he claims is unique about TM. However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
On Jun 19, 2005, at 3:07 PM, sparaig wrote: However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... Yes he did get it fr. SBS, but M. is generalizing something originally intended for one woman for everyone... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I don't do know of any other tradition which believes this Om thing outside of TM. Do you?No, it's patent bullshit and pure TM shell game. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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on 6/19/05 10:56 AM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't do know of any other tradition which believes this Om thing outside of TM. Do you? No. And I asked Ammachi about it in a public lecture and she commented rather forcefully about it for about 15 minutes (in favor of OM). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/19/05 2:07 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I don't do know of any other tradition which believes this Om thing outside of TM. Do you? I believe that that is one of the things he claims is unique about TM. However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... Yes. Guru Dev has been quoted as having said this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 3:07 PM, sparaig wrote: However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... Yes he did get it fr. SBS, but M. is generalizing something originally intended for one woman for everyone... An interesting take. Swami Brahmananda cites Lord Shiva as having given this teaching to Parvati too. Has anyone come across such a reference? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
On Jun 19, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 3:07 PM, sparaig wrote: However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... Yes he did get it fr. SBS, but M. is generalizing something originally intended for one woman for everyone... An interesting take. Swami Brahmananda cites Lord Shiva as having given this teaching to Parvati too. Has anyone come across such a reference? One thing I should point out is that this is NOT an absolute in the TMO. Those of us who received the full A of E technique also received the mantras of the 7 dimensions and they ALL begin with AUM... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 3:07 PM, sparaig wrote: However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... Yes he did get it fr. SBS, but M. is generalizing something originally intended for one woman for everyone... An interesting take. Swami Brahmananda cites Lord Shiva as having given this teaching to Parvati too. Has anyone come across such a reference? One thing I should point out is that this is NOT an absolute in the TMO. Those of us who received the full A of E technique also received the mantras of the 7 dimensions and they ALL begin with AUM... And it doesn't appear to have been an absolute with Guru Dev either, since elsewhere he quotes a sloka stating:- For possessing religious wisdom it is written that if you are of manoraajya (realm of fancy) you should do AUMkara japa (Interestingly, when this satsang was reprinted in the Maharishi Ashram newletter, strangely, this reference was missing.) Now in this satsang Guru Dev made no qualification, no warnings as to who or who should not use the OM mantra. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/19/05 2:08 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; OM is the first sound of creation, it contains all the energy in an undifferentiated form that is later structured by the hymns of the Vedas. So if you are living in a cave, using OM as a mantra, which aligns one with the undifferentiated, is OK, since a cave dweller does not need to function in society. But OM (used a mantra for meditation, not just the occasional use in saying a prayer or whatever) is a problem for a householder who needs to function in many differentiated ways, that's why there are householder mantras (derived from the Rig Veda). As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot of Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following the recluse path Ammachi, Shree Maa, Karunamayi, Mirabai, Mother Meera, etc. etc. I will presume that none of these ladies are recluses since you are mentioning Ammachi first, and she is clearly not a recluse. Anyway, what happens today in India or since the beginning of the Kaliyuga is not relevant since this is not Vedic India. The Vedic literature does not indicate that ladies became recluses, except that sometimes a wife would accompany her husband when they abandoned householder life and went to live in the forest after their kids were grown up. Maharishi on sanyasi mantra (OM): http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/beacon/beacon2.shtml Sounds reasonable but I know a lot of people who have been meditating with OM for years and are wealthy, successful, and happy. So I guess a controlled study is in order. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 3:07 PM, sparaig wrote: However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... Yes he did get it fr. SBS, but M. is generalizing something originally intended for one woman for everyone... An interesting take. Swami Brahmananda cites Lord Shiva as having given this teaching to Parvati too. Has anyone come across such a reference? One thing I should point out is that this is NOT an absolute in the TMO. Those of us who received the full A of E technique also received the mantras of the 7 dimensions and they ALL begin with AUM... There was no AUM in my A of E technique. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 7:37 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: There was no AUM in my A of E technique. The full technique has the mantras of the 7 lokas, each beginning with AUM. On which course did you receive this? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
As in the Gayatri? - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques On Jun 19, 2005, at 7:37 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: There was no AUM in my A of E technique.The full technique has the mantras of the 7 lokas, each beginning with AUM.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Well, in part, as in the the mantras of the triloka... + 4...the vyahrtis. On Jun 19, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Llundrub wrote: As in the Gayatri? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 7:37 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: There was no AUM in my A of E technique. The full technique has the mantras of the 7 lokas, each beginning with AUM. On which course did you receive this? Waiting for Vaj's response... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
I thought there were three vyahrtis. You're not allowed to blow me out of the water. Please be kind to me and don't make me look like an idiot. ;) - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques Well, in part, as in the the mantras of the triloka... + 4...the vyahrtis.On Jun 19, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Llundrub wrote: As in the Gayatri?To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Well there are--but there are four above it. On Jun 19, 2005, at 8:22 PM, Llundrub wrote: I thought there were three vyahrtis. You're not allowed to blow me out of the water. Please be kind to me and don't make me look like an idiot. ;) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't do know of any other tradition which believes this Om thing outside of TM. Do you? No, it's patent bullshit and pure TM shell game. r brilliant revival. Take your pick. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 3:07 PM, sparaig wrote: However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... Yes he did get it fr. SBS, but M. is generalizing something originally intended for one woman for everyone... Or perhaps you're assuming that what Gurudev said applied ONLY to that one woman... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/19/05 10:56 AM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't do know of any other tradition which believes this Om thing outside of TM. Do you? No. And I asked Ammachi about it in a public lecture and she commented rather forcefully about it for about 15 minutes (in favor of OM). Well, she would, since she teaches Om, does she not? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 3:07 PM, sparaig wrote: However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... Yes he did get it fr. SBS, but M. is generalizing something originally intended for one woman for everyone... An interesting take. Swami Brahmananda cites Lord Shiva as having given this teaching to Parvati too. Has anyone come across such a reference? Much of Gurudev's teachings may have been his own, or from his own guru's oral tradition. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Well, no. As I reported here many months ago, someone had told me the story behind the Om. The basic moral of the story was that this applied to this one person in one particular case. On Jun 19, 2005, at 8:39 PM, sparaig wrote: Or perhaps you're assuming that what Gurudev said applied ONLY to that one woman... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
