Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Peter]

Jesus, some people are just soo very precious,
aren't they? Today, I did not step on an ant. I could
have stepped on the ant, but I didn't. I made the
choice not to step on the ant. I choose to be a non
ant stepper. I could have been an ant stepper, but I
am not an ant stepper. This is what I am, a non ant
stepper. What a load of self-absorbed bullsh*t! God,
do people seem to commit suicide around you, Angela,
because I certainly would! Jesus, where's a bridge, I
gotta jump! Do you ever question the impact your
self-absorbed rants have on anyone other than
yourself. Hitler wants to know. 


--- feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A fine rant, Edg, I enjoyed it. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2008/
> > 
> > Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't
> want the masses
> > knowing much about.
> > 
> > Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from
> the headlines are
> > LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant
> they'd never deign to
> > have as part of their cabal since you don't have
> two IQ points to rub
> > together.  Wait, I'll take that back.  The
> intellectually challenged
> > deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter
> of evil and you're
> > so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. 
> > 
> > Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga --
> when every manner of
> > oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is
> commonplace.
> > 
> > Edg
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have
> a lot of baggage. You
> > > almost got through this post without mentioning
> Hitler, until you
> > > stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little
> of Rudy G., who can't
> > > seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11.
> Oh well, I guess we
> > > all have our obsessions.  
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
> Mailander
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you have no interest in me, why make
> assumptions about who I am
> > > and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth.
> Circumstances are
> > > always complex, and I assure you there is no
> conspiracy against me.
> > > When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I
> had a return ticket
> > > in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, "You can
> go back to China if
> > > you want, but if you do, you're never coming
> back here." When I got to
> > > Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal,
> and he said that it
> > > was, that they could have denied me entry.  I
> checked with an attorney
> > > specializing in such matters, and was told that
> people had been denied
> > > entry for no reason. So, I was here with two
> suitcases, no money, no
> > > place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and
> a decision to make:
> > > Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S.  I 
> I had two weeks to
> > > make that decision, and went for bag lady. 
> Smart does not necessarily
> > > mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it
> does. 
> > > > 
> > > > I've never taught at any University, here, in
> Germany, or in China
> > > when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed
> at some point with an
> > > article that said American education had hit
> rock bottom.  I said we
> > > were all, including me, embedded in it, and I
> said my Ph.D. wasn't
> > > worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms
> of academic
> > > standards. People got their egos bent over this.
>  When people hear
> > > that American education is terrible, even if
> they agree with that,
> > > they always want to talk about it as if it
> doesn't include them. 
> > Absurd. 
> > > > 
> > > > The comparison between Nazi Germany and the
> U.S. is not absurd, but
> > > I'm done talking about it.  The extant
> information allowing that
> > > comparison is becoming more and more available
> in English, but you are
> > > not really interested nor willing to listen with
> an open mind.  Not
> > > everyone you disagree with is delusional, but
> wanting to hospitalize
> > > those whom you deem so (in your professional
> opinion), is something
> > > Hitler would have agreed with.  a
> > > > 
> > > > feste37  wrote: 
>  I have no
> > > interest in fathoming who you are. But this
> story, if true,
> > > >  is a nice reversal of the usual one—being
> able to make money in
> China
> > > >  but choosing poverty in America. But dear
> Angela, if you are so
> > smart,
> > > >  and you are continually telling us that you
> are, how come you
> cannot
> > > >  make money in this great land of opportunity?
> If you are so
> > smart, why
> > > >  are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy
> against you, perhaps? A
> > refusal
> > > >  by others to recognize your great genius?
> > > >  
> > > >  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
> Mailander
> > > >   wrote:
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I find your accusation that I hate America
> nothing short o

[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[feste37]

A fine rant, Edg, I enjoyed it. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2008/
> 
> Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses
> knowing much about.
> 
> Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are
> LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to
> have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub
> together.  Wait, I'll take that back.  The intellectually challenged
> deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're
> so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. 
> 
> Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of
> oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace.
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You
> > almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you
> > stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't
> > seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we
> > all have our obsessions.  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am
> > and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are
> > always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me.
> > When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket
> > in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, "You can go back to China if
> > you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here." When I got to
> > Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it
> > was, that they could have denied me entry.  I checked with an attorney
> > specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied
> > entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no
> > place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make:
> > Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S.  I  I had two weeks to
> > make that decision, and went for bag lady.  Smart does not necessarily
> > mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. 
> > > 
> > > I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China
> > when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an
> > article that said American education had hit rock bottom.  I said we
> > were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't
> > worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic
> > standards. People got their egos bent over this.  When people hear
> > that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that,
> > they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. 
> Absurd. 
> > > 
> > > The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but
> > I'm done talking about it.  The extant information allowing that
> > comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are
> > not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind.  Not
> > everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize
> > those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something
> > Hitler would have agreed with.  a
> > > 
> > > feste37  wrote:   I have no
> > interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
> > >  is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in
China
> > >  but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so
> smart,
> > >  and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you
cannot
> > >  make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so
> smart, why
> > >  are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A
> refusal
> > >  by others to recognize your great genius?
> > >  
> > >  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
> > >   wrote:
> > >  >
> > >  > I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of
> > >  astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I
already
> > >  told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and
> > >  ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America.  I chose
> poverty
> > >  in America.  I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in
> > >  Europe.  And again I chose poverty in America rather than
wealth and
> > >  ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China,
Homeland
> > >  Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the
presence of
> > >  armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America.  In
China I
> > >  had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous
> > >  income potential.  In just two years I had become known for it in
> > >  three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in
> > >  China that was based in Taiwan.  I had friends I loved.  I had
status
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Duveyoung]

Two stories:

At an airport, they pulled me aside.  Don't know why.

They search everything, feeling linings for lumps, checking my body
for metal, patting me down, and then targeting my brief case and
wiping it with a special cloth that would show if I had even a hint of
"banned chemicals to make on-board explosives with." The cloths showed
positively that my brief case had something "wrongobongo."

So they called in their superior, cuz, well, I'm a very nice guy with
gray hair with a woman whose luggage showed no signs of residues and
I'm laughing aloud cuz I know I'm clean as clean can be.  So, you
know, I'm not fitting the terrorist profile.

They're wiping repeatedly.  Maybe 10 wiping-events, and the
machine-reader called each one of them positive for banned
something-or-other.

Finally the supervisor makes a call, and whomever he talks to doesn't
know what to do either.  Finally, they just "call it," and tell me I'm
okay to fly.  "Sometimes a deodorant or shaving cream will have an
ingredient that triggers these machines," he said.  

But everyone knew, it was their intuition overriding their testing
devices.  If I had had a beard or accent or turban, I'd probably still
be being strip searched.

See?

You don't? Okay, next story:

I get audited by the IRS, and they pull me into their office and go
over my receipts -- one by one by one.  I'm living in the upper
bedroom of the center and using the rest of the house "for business,"
but the tax guy says that if the center isn't open 24/7 then the house
is for my personal use only during non-business hours and my
deductions should be discounted downwards.  

I tell them, well, if that's the case, then this and that and this and
that will have to be re-figured to make all the math come out correctly.

The tax guy says, "Well, how about you just pay $300 more in
taxesdeal?"

See?

Laws, schmaws, authorities are human and make up their own minds right
there on the spot.  Some days, ya just gotta love the lowest rung on
bureacracy's ladder; some other days, not so much, eh?

The laws are about spiritual intent -- not the letter of the law, but
almost any intent can be projected into almost any law, and beware the
minions who are dealing out the taro cards when they decide your fate.

"Hey, Boss, pick a card so I can process this passenger."

"Oops, sorry, Buddy, but the only kind of boarding you're going to get
is waterboarding."

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think he is asking if you have American citizenship which in that
case 
> it would be very outrageous to deny you entry back into the country.  
> But even detaining a foreigner for 5 hours is rather outrageous.  But 
> then the Homeland Security people I've seen probably couldn't even
get a 
> job flipping burgers otherwise.
> 
> Angela Mailander wrote:
> > what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price
of tea in China?  Just curious. a
> >
> > Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> >   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander
> >  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
> >  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
> >   
> >   
> >
> > If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about
who I am and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances
are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against
me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return
ticket in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, "You can go back to
China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here." When
I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said
that it was, that they could have denied me entry
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   What nationality are you, German?
> >   
> >  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Angela Mailander]

Not only did they detain me, they didn't tell me why.  They wouldn't let me 
call a friend who was waiting for me and they wouldn't let me use the bathroom. 
 There were four agents.  Two of them questioned me, the other two were sharp 
observers.  One of the two who questioned me appeared to be of average 
intelligence.  The fourth was pretending to be stupid, but I think he was 
probably brilliant. a

Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   I think he is 
asking if you have American citizenship which in that case 
 it would be very outrageous to deny you entry back into the country.  
 But even detaining a foreigner for 5 hours is rather outrageous.  But 
 then the Homeland Security people I've seen probably couldn't even get a 
 job flipping burgers otherwise.
 
 Angela Mailander wrote:
 > what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in 
 > China?  Just curious. a
 >
 > Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
 >   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 > Behalf Of Angela Mailander
 >  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
 >  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 >  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
 >   
 >   
 >
 > If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am 
 > and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are always 
 > complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived 
 > at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket.  
 > Homeland Security said, "You can go back to China if you want, but if you 
 > do, you're never coming back here." When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman 
 > Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have 
 > denied me entry
 >   
 >   
 >   
 >   What nationality are you, German?
 >   
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Angela Mailander]

I am a German citizen, but a legal resident alien in the U.S.---i.e. I've got a 
valid green card.  When I got that green card, the U.S. promised me (and all 
others with the same legal status) that I would have the same rights and duties 
as any citizen except a) I could not run for public office, b) I could not work 
for the U.S. government, c) I could not vote in any election, and d) if I left 
the country, there were certain conditions I would have to fulfill if I wanted 
to return--which I did.  The U.S. broke its promises to all green card holders 
with the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security.  a

Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of Angela Mailander
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:45 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
  
  
   
what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of 
tea in China?  Just curious. A
  
  
  
  I was just curious.
  
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Bhairitu]

I think he is asking if you have American citizenship which in that case 
it would be very outrageous to deny you entry back into the country.  
But even detaining a foreigner for 5 hours is rather outrageous.  But 
then the Homeland Security people I've seen probably couldn't even get a 
job flipping burgers otherwise.

Angela Mailander wrote:
> what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in 
> China?  Just curious. a
>
> Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
> Of Angela Mailander
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
>  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
>   
>   
>
> If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am 
> and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are always 
> complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived 
> at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket.  Homeland 
> Security said, "You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're 
> never coming back here." When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this 
> was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry
>   
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>   
>   What nationality are you, German?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Angela Mailander]

On both occasion in which I chose the U.S. over Europe, I did not leave 
lucrative jobs behind. Wealth generally does not come from jobs.  But when I 
decided to remain in the U.S. rather than return to my situation in China, I 
did leave a great deal behind.  My decision was a matter of listening to the 
deepest aspects of myself that I can hear, and it required some courage to heed 
that voice since, as I said, all I had was two suitcases.  Any story about why 
I chose to obey that voice would be just that, a story after the fact.  And I 
could tell a bunch.  No lack of stories in my life.  Why I chose to remain in 
America is a complex question, and I doubt I could do it justice in an email.  
Moreover, I do not believe that causation is only in the past. The ultimate 
understanding of why I made that choice may lie in the future. I often do have 
accurate visions of the future, but, equally often, all I get is a "You'll 
see."  

I did educational research in China. It was successful far beyond even my own 
expectations, and I expected a lot. a  

Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
 
   
 May I know why you left those lucrative jobs in Europe and China.??  You 
have not explained why you settled down in America.??  
   
  What kind of research were you doing in China.??

Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:43:43 -0000
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
   
   
  http://www.projectc ensored.org/ censored_ 2008/

Here's the censored stories that BigEvil  doesn't want the masses
knowing much about.

Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are
LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to
have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub
together. Wait, I'll take that back. The intellectually challenged
deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're
so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. 

Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of
oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace.

Edg

--- "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You
> almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you
> stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't
> seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh  well, I guess we
> all have our obsessions. 
> 
> --- , Angela Mailander  wrote:
> >
> > If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am
> and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are
> always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me.
> When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket
> in my pocket. Homeland Security said, "You can go back to China if
> you want, but if  you do, you're never coming back here." When I got to
> Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it
> was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney
> specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied
> entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no
> place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make:
> Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to
> make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily
> mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. 
> > 
> > I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China
> when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an
> article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we
> were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't
> worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic
> standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear
> that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that,
> they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. 
Absurd. 
> > 
> > The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but
> I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that
> comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are
> not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not
> everyone you disagree with is  delusional, but wanting to hospitalize
> those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something
> Hitler would have agreed with. a
> > 
> > feste37  wrote: 
  I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
> > is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in China
> >

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Angela Mailander
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:45 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

 

what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in
China?  Just curious. A

I was just curious.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Angela Mailander]

The establishment of the Department of Homeland Security changed some of the 
laws regarding who could and who could not be denied entry.  Congressman Leach 
informed me in writing that it was now up to the discretion of the individual 
agent at the port of entry.

Before the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, legal 
residents could not be denied entry if their papers were in order.  Now, anyone 
can be disappeared, since Habeas Corpus is down the tubes, and whether or not 
you are a citizen has nothing to do with that.  a  

shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price 
 of tea in China?
 
 It has EVERYTHING to do with it.
 
 If you are a citizen, they cannot deny you entry at all (well, except 
 in extremely dire circumstances which would probably require a 
 rescinding of your citizenship which I think has only been done a 
 dozen times or more in U.S. history).
 
 If you are NOT a citizen, the U.S. has no obligation -- 
 constitutional or otherwise -- to provide you entry to U.S. territory.
 
 >  Just curious. a
 > 
 > Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
 >   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander
 >  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
 >  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 >  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
 >   
 >   
 >
 > If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about 
 who I am and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. 
 Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no 
 conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, 
 I had a return ticket in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, "You can 
 go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back 
 here." When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, 
 and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry
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[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Jason Spock]

 
   
 May I know why you left those lucrative jobs in Europe and China.??  You 
have not explained why you settled down in America.??  
   
  What kind of research were you doing in China.??

Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:43:43 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
   
   
  http://www.projectc ensored.org/ censored_ 2008/

Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses
knowing much about.

Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are
LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to
have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub
together. Wait, I'll take that back. The intellectually challenged
deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're
so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. 

Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of
oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace.

Edg

--- "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You
> almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you
> stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't
> seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we
> all have our obsessions. 
> 
> --- , Angela Mailander  wrote:
> >
> > If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am
> and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are
> always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me.
> When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket
> in my pocket. Homeland Security said, "You can go back to China if
> you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here." When I got to
> Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it
> was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney
> specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied
> entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no
> place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make:
> Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to
> make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily
> mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. 
> > 
> > I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China
> when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an
> article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we
> were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't
> worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic
> standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear
> that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that,
> they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. 
Absurd. 
> > 
> > The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but
> I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that
> comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are
> not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not
> everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize
> those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something
> Hitler would have agreed with. a
> > 
> > feste37  wrote: 
  I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
> > is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in China
> > but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart,
> > and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot
> > make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are 
> > you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal  by 
> > others to recognize your great genius?
> > 
> > ---  Angela Mailander   wrote:
> > >
> > > I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of
> > astounding-- just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already
> > told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and
> > ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America. I chose poverty
> > in America. I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in
> > Europe. And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and
> > ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland
> > Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of
> > armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America. In China I
> > had a suc

[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price 
of tea in China?




It has EVERYTHING to do with it.

If you are a citizen, they cannot deny you entry at all (well, except 
in extremely dire circumstances which would probably require a 
rescinding of your citizenship which I think has only been done a 
dozen times or more in U.S. history).

If you are NOT a citizen, the U.S. has no obligation -- 
constitutional or otherwise -- to provide you entry to U.S. territory.




>  Just curious. a
> 
> Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
>  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
>   
>   
>
> If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about 
who I am and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. 
Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no 
conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, 
I had a return ticket in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, "You can 
go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back 
here." When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, 
and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry
>   
>   
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>   What nationality are you, German?
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Angela Mailander]

what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in 
China?  Just curious. a

Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of Angela Mailander
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
  
  
   
If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and 
what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, 
and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. 
airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket.  Homeland Security 
said, "You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming 
back here." When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and 
he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Duveyoung]

http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2008/

Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses
knowing much about.

Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are
LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to
have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub
together.  Wait, I'll take that back.  The intellectually challenged
deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're
so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. 

Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of
oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You
> almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you
> stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't
> seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we
> all have our obsessions.  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
>  wrote:
> >
> > If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am
> and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are
> always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me.
> When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket
> in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, "You can go back to China if
> you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here." When I got to
> Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it
> was, that they could have denied me entry.  I checked with an attorney
> specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied
> entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no
> place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make:
> Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S.  I  I had two weeks to
> make that decision, and went for bag lady.  Smart does not necessarily
> mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. 
> > 
> > I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China
> when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an
> article that said American education had hit rock bottom.  I said we
> were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't
> worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic
> standards. People got their egos bent over this.  When people hear
> that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that,
> they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. 
Absurd. 
> > 
> > The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but
> I'm done talking about it.  The extant information allowing that
> comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are
> not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind.  Not
> everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize
> those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something
> Hitler would have agreed with.  a
> > 
> > feste37  wrote:   I have no
> interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
> >  is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in China
> >  but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so
smart,
> >  and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot
> >  make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so
smart, why
> >  are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A
refusal
> >  by others to recognize your great genius?
> >  
> >  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
> >   wrote:
> >  >
> >  > I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of
> >  astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already
> >  told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and
> >  ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America.  I chose
poverty
> >  in America.  I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in
> >  Europe.  And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and
> >  ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland
> >  Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of
> >  armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America.  In China I
> >  had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous
> >  income potential.  In just two years I had become known for it in
> >  three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in
> >  China that was based in Taiwan.  I had friends I loved.  I had status
> >  as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese
> >  universities were competing with each other
> >  >  to snag me.  My students loved me.  I had a great income.  And
> >  there was even a man who loved me.  But when Homeland Security
gave me
> >  that c

[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[feste37]

Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You
almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you
stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't
seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we
all have our obsessions.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am
and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are
always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me.
When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket
in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, "You can go back to China if
you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here." When I got to
Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it
was, that they could have denied me entry.  I checked with an attorney
specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied
entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no
place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make:
Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S.  I  I had two weeks to
make that decision, and went for bag lady.  Smart does not necessarily
mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. 
> 
> I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China
when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an
article that said American education had hit rock bottom.  I said we
were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't
worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic
standards. People got their egos bent over this.  When people hear
that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that,
they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them.  Absurd. 
> 
> The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but
I'm done talking about it.  The extant information allowing that
comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are
not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind.  Not
everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize
those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something
Hitler would have agreed with.  a
> 
> feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   I have no
interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
>  is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in China
>  but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart,
>  and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot
>  make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why
>  are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal
>  by others to recognize your great genius?
>  
>  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
>   wrote:
>  >
>  > I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of
>  astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already
>  told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and
>  ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America.  I chose poverty
>  in America.  I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in
>  Europe.  And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and
>  ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland
>  Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of
>  armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America.  In China I
>  had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous
>  income potential.  In just two years I had become known for it in
>  three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in
>  China that was based in Taiwan.  I had friends I loved.  I had status
>  as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese
>  universities were competing with each other
>  >  to snag me.  My students loved me.  I had a great income.  And
>  there was even a man who loved me.  But when Homeland Security gave me
>  that choice, I once again and with open eyes chose poverty in America
>  over all that I left behind in China.  Do not presume you fathom who I
>  am by a few emails you only half understand which is worse than no
>  understanding at all. a
>  > 
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>  http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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>  
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Angela Mailander
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

 

If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what
I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and
I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A.
airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket.  Homeland Security
said, "You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never
coming back here." When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was
legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry

What nationality are you, German?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

[Angela Mailander]

If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I 
love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I 
assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. 
airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket.  Homeland Security 
said, "You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming 
back here." When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and 
he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry.  I checked with an 
attorney specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied 
entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no place to 
stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make: Rich woman in 
China, or bag lady in the U.S.  I  I had two weeks to make that decision, and 
went for bag lady.  Smart does not necessarily mean money, as Americans seem to 
be convinced it does. 

I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China when my 
colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an article that said 
American education had hit rock bottom.  I said we were all, including me, 
embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't worth what earlier Ph.D. had been 
worth in terms of academic standards. People got their egos bent over this.  
When people hear that American education is terrible, even if they agree with 
that, they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them.  Absurd. 

The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but I'm done 
talking about it.  The extant information allowing that comparison is becoming 
more and more available in English, but you are not really interested nor 
willing to listen with an open mind.  Not everyone you disagree with is 
delusional, but wanting to hospitalize those whom you deem so (in your 
professional opinion), is something Hitler would have agreed with.  a

feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   I have no 
interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
 is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in China
 but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart,
 and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot
 make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why
 are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal
 by others to recognize your great genius?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of
 astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already
 told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and
 ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America.  I chose poverty
 in America.  I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in
 Europe.  And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and
 ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland
 Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of
 armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America.  In China I
 had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous
 income potential.  In just two years I had become known for it in
 three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in
 China that was based in Taiwan.  I had friends I loved.  I had status
 as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese
 universities were competing with each other
 >  to snag me.  My students loved me.  I had a great income.  And
 there was even a man who loved me.  But when Homeland Security gave me
 that choice, I once again and with open eyes chose poverty in America
 over all that I left behind in China.  Do not presume you fathom who I
 am by a few emails you only half understand which is worse than no
 understanding at all. a
 > 
 >  Send instant messages to your online friends
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[feste37]

I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in China
but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart,
and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot
make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why
are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal
by others to recognize your great genius?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of
astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already
told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and
ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America.  I chose poverty
in America.  I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in
Europe.  And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and
ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland
Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of
armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America.  In China I
had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous
income potential.  In just two years I had become known for it in
three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in
China that was based in Taiwan.  I had friends I loved.  I had status
as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese
universities were competing with each other
>  to snag me.  My students loved me.  I had a great income.  And
there was even a man who loved me.  But when Homeland Security gave me
that choice, I once again and with open eyes chose poverty in America
over all that I left behind in China.  Do not presume you fathom who I
am by a few emails you only half understand which is worse than no
understanding at all. a
> 
>  Send instant messages to your online friends
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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