Hey Vaj
I don't have access to the Badarayana Sutra, but do have a copy of the
Shiva Sutras as edited by Swami Lakshmanjoo. How does that stack up as
a source of worthiness?
Thanks Tom T
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On Mar 23, 2005, at 8:11 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
I don't have access to the Badarayana Sutra,
You can download a nice version in PDF format at:
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/brahma_00.html
but do have a copy of the
Shiva Sutras as edited by Swami
On Mar 23, 2005, at 8:17 AM, Vaj wrote:
You can download a nice version in PDF format at:
Oops. Should have typed:
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_00.html
Also:
http://www.brahmasutra.iitk.ac.in/
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Hi Tom:On Mar 21, 2005, at 6:49 PM,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Does this mean the witnessing sleep standard is
bogus?Alex--We're all in unity because it's all one.
It's whether one is awake that awareness of unity is present. Because many in
unity want to sleep, so even in unity we must awaken to unity so yes one must be
a witness to the bardo of
On Mar 21, 2005, at 7:12 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
Look at 52 through 55 and this is the only place it says that any
sutra produces the Big E. All the other sutras are for practice and
for the sidhi disclosed. The last sutra says Big E is the result of
this sutra 52.
The
On Mar 21, 2005, at 7:30 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
Tom T responds:
Every description that you are using as an indicator of someone in
Unity is something that happens in the relative.
Relative for you, not for them: All is one
The understanding
that I keep harping about
Hi Tom:
On Mar 21, 2005, at 8:07 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
I can only respond with all of the various things I have posted on
this subject. You are free to hold your POV and I am free to
experience my understandings. My writings are from my experience. That
much I am sure
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I know because it was my acid trips both good and bad that woke me up
when I was a kid, to CC. The bad experiences were so horrific that my
mind stepped back and witnessed them.
Are you saying your mind, in background
has had a still center, which I developed through 20 years of various
spiritual practices.
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On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:19 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
Yes, I am having similar difficulty. Particularly when Tom describes
it as Consciousness experiencing Consciousness.
Vaj writes:
Yeah. Mahat or Infinite Mind is the witnesser.
Tom T:
Patanjali chapter 4 Enlightenment (Alistair Shearer
Tom T comments interspersed
Tom T Snipped:
The understanding this experience is wholeness is a
major criteria of the reality of Brahman. Inside this wholeness
resides all creation.
Vaj writes:
I listened to her--I assume it's the same women--she described the
dawning of the state (Rick will
On Mar 22, 2005, at 4:00 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
Everything I write is from my own experience sorry that didn't come
through.
OK. No I thought you might be saying you were in Unity, but I wasn't
certain. OK.
So far you have not
answered my question is the stuff you
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On Mar 22, 2005, at 4:00 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
Everything I write is from my own experience sorry that didn't come
through.
OK. No I thought you might be saying you were in Unity, but I wasn't
certain. OK.
On Mar 22, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
He is saying that.
Yes I know.
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Fresh comments below:
Tom Traynor wrote:
[Brahman consciousness] is not an experience,
it is an understanding that needs no Master.
The understanding is complete in an of itself.
No Master needed as the knowledge in the
understanding is complete in and of itself.
Absolute
On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:52 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
I was infinite mind and I
was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was never
going to understand what had happened in a million years. That is the
paradox that is the hallmark of this understanding.
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Fresh comments below:
Tom Traynor wrote:
[Brahman consciousness] is not an experience,
it is an understanding that needs no Master.
The understanding is complete in an of itself.
No
On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:27 PM, crukstrom wrote:
Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake to/in
Brahmin consciousness, whether another is awake to/in Brahmin
consciousness. So many people on this list at one time thought MMY
was awake and now they see him as a crook and a
Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake to/in
Brahmin consciousness, whether another is awake to/in Brahmin
consciousness. So many people on this list at one time thought MMY
was awake and now they see him as a crook and a swindler. It's all
so hilarious, isn't it?
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On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:52 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
wrote:
I was infinite mind and I
was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was
never
going to understand what had happened in a
On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:41 PM, crukstrom wrote:
When do they become one?
In the Vedantic model, in Brahmi chetana.
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On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Paul Mason wrote:
And then, as the years passed, MMY's tongue became completely
unbridled. Which is why it is becoming more and more evident
that he
doesn't really realise that much.
When the kid observed that king had no clothes on, were you there
asking 'And you are an authority?'
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On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Paul Mason wrote:
And then, as the years passed, MMY's tongue
became completely
unbridled. Which is why it is becoming more and
more
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Fresh comments below:
Tom Traynor wrote:
[Brahman consciousness] is not an experience,
it is an understanding that needs no Master.
The understanding is complete in an of itself.
No Master needed as the knowledge in
Dear Mr Mason
If you really believe what you are writing - why do you do it? Why do
you keep coming back?
You are human, right? You have the free will to choose to walk away
and have a life..
Why can't you let go?
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On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:27 PM, crukstrom wrote:
Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake to/in
Brahmin consciousness, whether another is awake to/in Brahmin
consciousness. So many people on this list
of probably the only saint they ever came across. What a fraud. In
this context it is legitime to question the motifs for Paul Masons
publishings.
I am making no claims for Osho, though I find this criticism of MMY
interesting, that he felt he used giggling as a substitute for proper
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21, 2005, at 1
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When the kid observed that king had no clothes on, were you there
asking 'And you are an authority?'
To determine whether the emperor was wearing clothes or not, the kid
only needed the sense of sight provided by
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To determine MMY's
state of awareness one needs to be able to see into his
consciousness. Can you do that?
Rick Carlstrom
In the flower, in the sky, in the orange, in the table, in the dog, in
the driveway, in the
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When the kid observed that king had no clothes on, were you there
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To determine whether the
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Dear Mr Mason
If you really believe what you are writing - why do you do it? Why
do
you keep coming back?
You are human, right? You have the free will to choose to walk away
and have a life..
Why can't
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When
the kid observed that king had no clothes on, were you there
asking 'And
you
So many people on this list at one time thought MMY was awake and
now they see him as a crook and a swindler. It's all so hilarious, isn't
it?Rick Carlstrom---It is since I was spoutin it three years
ago. To a rather whacked tune. But I changed because I went to Kalachakra and
then got a
Much more comments below:
Tom T
I was infinite mind and I
was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was
never going to understand what had happened in a million years. That
is the paradox that is the hallmark of this understanding. Nothing
has changed and yet everything has
More Tom T comments on Stealth Sutra at the bottom:
Tom T:
The true reason for the sutras was to wake you up. The levitation
gig was to give the ego a reason to continue the practice long enough
to finish the wake up process, which was built into the practice.).
Vaj:
I understand what you are
Tom T comments interspersed
Akasha 108 writes:
Mind / body / reflections that I know and love that allude to knowing
infinite mind, though discrete and the opposite of showy, do exhibit
some amazing capabilities at times that would be consistent with
being infinite mind.
Can this lady, or
Vaj writes:
A View--your inner darshana, your POV shouldn't be thought of as a
meditational experience. It is your new horizon, your new world, your
cosmos and cosmology.
It sounds to me as if you are describing CC, not BC/UC. While I do
know that there is a state without need of
Hi Tom:
On Mar 21, 2005, at 6:49 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
It appears we have a slight communication problem so I will try and
make myself clearer. In my comment above when the lady commented on
her experience of Infinite Mind, she never said she witnessed that she
was
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I'm not sure why everyone is all the sudden talking of UC/BC. I'm
just not getting that.
Yes, I am having similar difficulty. Particularly when Tom describes
it as Consciousness experiencing Consciousness.
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On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:27 PM, crukstrom wrote:
Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake to/in
Brahmin consciousness, whether another is awake to/in Brahmin
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Much more comments below:
Tom T
I was infinite mind and I
was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was
never going to understand what had happened in a million years.
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When the kid observed that king had no clothes on,
Tom Traynor wrote:
[Brahman consciousness] is not an experience,
it is an understanding that needs no Master.
The understanding is complete in an of itself.
No Master needed as the knowledge in the
understanding is complete in and of itself.
Absolute self-verification which is the
On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:07 AM, rudra_joe wrote:
esus, people are so particular nowadays, most would have been happy with TC ten years back, now its BC or Rainbow body or bust. My how far we've come
I seriously doubt there are TM-ers in BC. Call it the Robin Carlsen effect: you can say you
On Mar 14, 2005, at 8:02 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
Well actually the Sidhi practice might lead to a minute or two in
Unity and then the entire weight of the practice and many years of
experience bounces one into Brahmin.
I can't see UC as occurring without being able to
Peter Sutphen writes:
Interesting. The subject-object dynamics of the senses
don't seem to remain the same as you move from gross
to subtle. Do the senses project the objects of
their experience? You can transcend with your eyes
open thinking about this stuff!
-Peter
Tom T:
The interesting
Peter Sutphen wrote:
I agree with you that it is more than just produced in
our bodies by we lame-ass yogis/yoginis. That's only
one aspect of it. I've also experienced soma
flowing/spraying into the environment through the
senses. Almost like the sense was working in reverse.
-Peter
I've
On Mar 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
We were given the tools in our Sidhi
practice. The objective was not to really learn how to fly but to be
able to fully function once we woke up. Cool! Another master stroke
by a true Master. If you knew the real reason
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On Mar 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
We were given the tools in our Sidhi
practice. The objective was not to really learn
how to fly but to be
able to fully function once we woke up. Cool!
Another master stroke
On Mar 14, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
The TM-siddhi program is a powerful, powerful
technique that fosters awareness of Self through the
buddhi/intellect. It pulls Self into awareness in
the pauses between sutras. The mind begins to
spontaneously discriminate between the points
Vaj writes: re Sidhi practice
I still use it, you can integrate it, I don't feel any need to reject
it as a practice. But it cannot lead to UC. Well maybe Unity Andy...;-)
Tom T:
Well actually the Sidhi practice might lead to a minute or two in
Unity and then the entire weight of the practice
They woke me up.
-Peter
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Really? I must have been doing the wrong
sutras--most of the time they
just put me to sleep. I have a friend who goes to
the the dome mainly
because she says it's still a great place to
sleep--she stays awake
half the
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