Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

And dear Share now that you have figured out my problem I better come clean.

I'm envious of Barry - why would I not?

I live in Guttersville, Alabama, work as a grocery store clerk, come back to my 
trailer to drown my unhappiness smoking a pack of Basics, drinking 12 pack of 
Natural light, listening to Rush Limbaugh, cheering for Crimson Tide, pimping 
my girl friend and selling my food stamps to get high on cocaine and 
methamphetamine.

Happy?

On May 17, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

> Yes - of course how can one not be grumpy dear Share. You think the secret of 
> happiness is posing with babies. Steve one-ups you, his criteria for 
> happiness is living in a Cosmopolitan city, working at a big company and a 
> family to go back to (forget the fact that it's not Barry's family)
> 
> Forget about me I think the whole medical industry - psychiatrists, 
> psychologists, Big Pharma, therapists; all clergy, pastors, healers, Gurus 
> are envious of your brilliance !!!
> 
> You are going to soon put them out of business.
> 
> No Share dear yours and Barry's stuntedness, Steve's retardedness doesn't 
> make me grumpy. I laugh, laugh my ass off then feel pity and sadness. You 
> guys are hell bent on propping each other up and you don't care how 
> ridiculous, idiotic, moronic, retarded, dishonest you sound.
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2013, at 4:21 AM, Share Long  wrote:
> 
>> Plus his health is good, he has financial security and he has a fascinating 
>> group of people to interact with online (-:
>> Wishing the sweet spot life to everyone on FFL, especially a certain young 
>> grumpy boots down San Diego way.
>> 
>> 
>> From: seventhray27 
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:43 PM
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
>> 
>>  
>> You know, it seems to me Barry is pretty much hitting the sweet spots of 
>> life right now.  He's working on a cutting edge technology project for what 
>> is probably the most successful technology company that is and ever was.  He 
>> was hand selected by someone to be the team leader of a portion of the 
>> project, he's living in what is considered one of the most cosmopolitan 
>> cities in the world, commuting on the weekends to be with his family, which 
>> includes a sweet little girl.  How much better can it really get?
>> And to top it off, he sounds as happy as I've ever known him to be.
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>> >
>> > Oh Yes! Rapture! I GET IT! 
>> > 
>> > The infantile poseur, posing with the infant!!!
>> > 
>> > Don't you SEE it, Ravi?? TGBW is teaching us about Unity Consciousness, 
>> > how the inside *is* the outside, and vice-versa!! 
>> > 
>> > Simply and elegantly, through a photo, offered unapologetically to the 
>> > peons on FFL. A picture IS worth a thousand words! Ten thousand words! Oh 
>> > rejoice!
>> > 
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.
>> > > 
>> > > Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her 100,000th 
>> > > picture with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.
>> > > 
>> > > Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with an 
>> > > infant everyday?
>> > > 
>> > > Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this 
>> > > realization and spread this message. All people need to do to be happy 
>> > > is pose with an infant everyday.
>> > > 
>> > > Reporter - Wow this is impressive.
>> > > 
>> > > Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and thank me 
>> > > for returning happiness in their lives.
>> > > 
>> > > Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?
>> > > 
>> > > Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry Wright 
>> > > from Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the fan to shock 
>> > > people. But when I visited him I was struck by his photo of him with a 
>> > > little girl. I was totally covered with shit but I realized this was the 
>> > > happiest man in the world and this was the secret to happiness, posing 
>> > > with infants. Tantra Guru Barry Wright's compassion was much, he 
>> > > dramatically transformed my life.
>> > > 
>>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Yes - of course how can one not be grumpy dear Share. You think the secret of 
happiness is posing with babies. Steve one-ups you, his criteria for happiness 
is living in a Cosmopolitan city, working at a big company and a family to go 
back to (forget the fact that it's not Barry's family)

Forget about me I think the whole medical industry - psychiatrists, 
psychologists, Big Pharma, therapists; all clergy, pastors, healers, Gurus are 
envious of your brilliance !!!

You are going to soon put them out of business.

No Share dear yours and Barry's stuntedness, Steve's retardedness doesn't make 
me grumpy. I laugh, laugh my ass off then feel pity and sadness. You guys are 
hell bent on propping each other up and you don't care how ridiculous, idiotic, 
moronic, retarded, dishonest you sound.


On May 17, 2013, at 4:21 AM, Share Long  wrote:

> Plus his health is good, he has financial security and he has a fascinating 
> group of people to interact with online (-:
> Wishing the sweet spot life to everyone on FFL, especially a certain young 
> grumpy boots down San Diego way.
> 
> 
> From: seventhray27 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:43 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> 
>  
> You know, it seems to me Barry is pretty much hitting the sweet spots of life 
> right now.  He's working on a cutting edge technology project for what is 
> probably the most successful technology company that is and ever was.  He was 
> hand selected by someone to be the team leader of a portion of the project, 
> he's living in what is considered one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the 
> world, commuting on the weekends to be with his family, which includes a 
> sweet little girl.  How much better can it really get?
> And to top it off, he sounds as happy as I've ever known him to be.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
> >
> > Oh Yes! Rapture! I GET IT! 
> > 
> > The infantile poseur, posing with the infant!!!
> > 
> > Don't you SEE it, Ravi?? TGBW is teaching us about Unity Consciousness, how 
> > the inside *is* the outside, and vice-versa!! 
> > 
> > Simply and elegantly, through a photo, offered unapologetically to the 
> > peons on FFL. A picture IS worth a thousand words! Ten thousand words! Oh 
> > rejoice!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.
> > > 
> > > Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her 100,000th 
> > > picture with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.
> > > 
> > > Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with an 
> > > infant everyday?
> > > 
> > > Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this 
> > > realization and spread this message. All people need to do to be happy is 
> > > pose with an infant everyday.
> > > 
> > > Reporter - Wow this is impressive.
> > > 
> > > Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and thank me 
> > > for returning happiness in their lives.
> > > 
> > > Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?
> > > 
> > > Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry Wright 
> > > from Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the fan to shock 
> > > people. But when I visited him I was struck by his photo of him with a 
> > > little girl. I was totally covered with shit but I realized this was the 
> > > happiest man in the world and this was the secret to happiness, posing 
> > > with infants. Tantra Guru Barry Wright's compassion was much, he 
> > > dramatically transformed my life.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On May 16, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love those who 
> > > > are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful. So easy to 
> > > > love those who love and or hate us! Reading his scathing posts while 
> > > > remembering the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's the 
> > > > happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> > > > 
> > > > Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first FFL anniversary. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: Ann awoelflebater@
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Wedn

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Bhairitu]

On 05/17/2013 12:59 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>> You know, it seems to me Barry is pretty much hitting
>> the sweet spots of life right now. He's working on a
>> cutting edge technology project for what is probably
>> the most successful technology company that is and ever
>> was. He was hand selected by someone to be the team
>> leader of a portion of the project, he's living in what
>> is considered one of the most cosmopolitan cities in
>> the world, commuting on the weekends to be with his
>> family, which includes a sweet little girl. How much
>> better can it really get?
>>
>> And to top it off, he sounds as happy as I've ever
>> known him to be.
> Careful, dude...you *know* what happens to people
> who say nice things about people that a certain
> group here wants only bad things said about. :-)
>
> Seriously, thanks for the kind words. It's certainly
> not as if my life is perfect, but it's as good as I
> remember it *ever* having been, which is somewhat
> of an accomplishment for someone my age to be able
> to say. And given my age (I am without question the
> oldest person in the building, given the mandatory
> retirement age in France), it's really a pleasure
> to be able to put a lifetime's worth of skills to
> use instead of being retired in some ghastly old
> folks community and having one's choices of
> activities for the day be limited to shuffleboard
> or playing gin rummy. :-)

Yup, you are very lucky because as you probably know about anyone over 
age 50 in the US in the tech field has difficulty finding work.  Too 
many boink head twenty somethings who think they are gods of technology 
running companies.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Carol]

Barry, I too got a chuckle out of your response. Not the happy kind of chuckle, 
but the gotta-laugh-at-the-absurdity-and-hypocrisy kind of chuckle. At least 
that is my perception after the few communications you and I have had and from 
reading some of your responses here on FFL. Of course, I realize you care zilch 
about my perceptions. 

Our perceptions are what they are. Hopefully we as human folk are open to 
consider that our perceptions may be wrong; they are most always limited.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Great satire, Bee!! I especially love the part where you proclaim yourself 
> above social interaction on the Internet! LOL - Good One! And also the bit 
> about not caring what others think of you! F'ing Priceless! 
> 
> And the rant about *other people's* NEEDINESS was best of all! Rock It, my 
> little man! You should turn this into stand-up, Barry, seriously. 
> 
> Perhaps next you can try to convince us how you no longer need to eat, sleep 
> or breathe, so advanced have you become. This is great stuff, and please 
> don't be bashful about sharing your humor as often as you like! We always 
> appreciate a good laugh here on FFL! Whooo-eee! Good one! ROFLMAO! 
> 
> Thanks again, Popeye! LOL
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to 
> > > love those who are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson 
> > > so I'm grateful. So easy to love those who love and or 
> > > hate us! Reading his scathing posts while remembering 
> > > the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's 
> > > the happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> > > 
> > > Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first 
> > > FFL anniversary.
> > 
> > Ann, although my intention is *never* to try to teach
> > anybody anything, if there were anything I was trying
> > to get across here on FFL, that issue might be a 
> > candidate. I tire of the abject NEEDINESS of some 
> > FFL participants, and how offended and panicky they
> > seem to get when people *are* indifferent to them, 
> > or don't respond to them. 
> > 
> > I admit to not getting it. If I want social interaction,
> > I go out and hang with real-life friends. I don't 
> > depend on some pathetic cybersimulation of socializing
> > to get "feedback" or "interaction." 
> > 
> > Do I have a lack of tolerance for those who *are* so
> > NEEDY, and can't seem to go more than a few hours 
> > without trolling for attention? You betcha. But do I
> > try to "teach" them anything? No way. I just withhold
> > from them that which they seem to seek the most, my
> > attention, and allow them to react to that however
> > they want. 
> > 
> > As for being a "happy curmudgeon," I plead guilty. 
> > What you and many folks don't seem to understand, 
> > given your lack of exposure to tantra -- the peace-
> > ful coexistence of opposites -- is that someone can
> > be *both*, without any problems. As for claims that
> > *I* am trolling for attention, I beg to differ. I
> > just write about my life. Those who feel that I must
> > either lie about it or embellish it to make it sound
> > more interesting simply must not have much of a life
> > themselves, to think that. 
> > 
> > I yam what I yam, as Popeye used to say. I don't 
> > really give much of a shit what other people think
> > of what I yam. 
> > 
> > Happy anniversary...
> > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Ann 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Wow, Barry.  NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the 
> > > > people who understand what you are all doing think it is really good.  
> > > > Congrats.  Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as it 
> > > > grows (computers etc)
> > > 
> > > Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit" how many 
> > > compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Plus his health is good, he has financial security and he has a fascinating 
> group of people to interact with online (-:
> Wishing the sweet spot life to everyone on FFL, especially a certain young 
> grumpy boots down San Diego way.

In spite of the fact that I attempt to encourage Barry to be honest and to not 
lie I wish him good things in his life and would not be unhappy if he were, in 
fact, a happy man. However, you have certainly jumped to a whole lot of 
unfounded conclusions about him. 

Just because we know he can stand upright (we have seen pictures) we hardly 
know if "his health is good". The next conclusion you have drawn is that he has 
"financial security". Another possibly erroneous assumption. Just because 
someone has a paying job for, what, a few months, a year, two years this can 
hardly be construed as having enough money in the bank to see him into 
doddering old age. He doesn't appear to own property, a car and is not a 
retired CEO. On the other hand Barry may have saved up millions after leaving 
Rama. But a temporary job in your late 60's does not ensure economic stability. 
However, Barry does love Paris, this we seem to know for sure and he loves 
Maya; so these two things, seemingly for sure, exist for him and for that I am 
happy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: seventhray27 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:43 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
>  
> 
> 
>   
> You know, it seems to me Barry is pretty much hitting the sweet spots of life 
> right now.  He's working on a cutting edge technology project for what is 
> probably the most successful technology company that is and ever was.  He 
> was hand selected by someone to be the team leader of a portion of the 
> project, he's living in what is considered one of the most cosmopolitan 
> cities in the world, commuting on the weekends to be with his family, which 
> includes a sweet little girl.  How much better can it really get?
> And to top it off, he sounds as happy as I've ever known him to be.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> >
> > Oh Yes! Rapture! I GET IT! 
> > 
> > The infantile poseur, posing with the infant!!!
> > 
> > Don't you SEE it, Ravi?? TGBW is teaching us about Unity Consciousness, how 
> > the inside *is* the outside, and vice-versa!! 
> > 
> > Simply and elegantly, through a photo, offered unapologetically to the 
> > peons on FFL. A picture IS worth a thousand words! Ten thousand words! Oh 
> > rejoice!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.
> > > 
> > > Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her 100,000th 
> > > picture with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.
> > > 
> > > Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with an 
> > > infant everyday?
> > > 
> > > Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this 
> > > realization and spread this message. All people need to do to be happy is 
> > > pose with an infant everyday.
> > > 
> > > Reporter - Wow this is impressive.
> > > 
> > > Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and thank me 
> > > for returning happiness in their lives.
> > > 
> > > Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?
> > > 
> > > Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry Wright 
> > > from Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the fan to shock 
> > > people. But when I visited him I was struck by his photo of him with a 
> > > little girl. I was totally covered with shit but I realized this was the 
> > > happiest man in the world and this was the secret to happiness, posing 
> > > with infants. Tantra Guru Barry Wright's compassion was much, he 
> > > dramatically transformed my life.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On May 16, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love those who 
> > > > are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful. So easy to 
> > > > love those who love and or hate us! Reading his scathing posts while 
> > > > remembering the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's the 
> > > > happiest curmudgeon I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[doctordumbass]

Similar to the expression, "with friends like that, who needs enemies?", if 
this is Barry at the high point of his life, I'd hate to see him depressed. I 
think you may be blinded by the impression this guy creates - cosmopolitan 
cutting edge blah blah blah. Barry probably also wonders the same thing, having 
gotten all his checkmarks for "cool" in a row, why is still so emotionally 
needy, and empty of love?

You will get a clearer picture if you imagine Barry as just another doofus in 
Moline, Illinois. Half the time, the guy is so lost in his head, he doesn't 
know where he is anyway.

Traveling the world and working for tech companies isn't all that. I've done it 
more than Bee has, and I, too, was sometimes almost as unhappy as he is.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> You know, it seems to me Barry is pretty much hitting the sweet spots of
> life right now.  He's working on a cutting edge technology project for
> what is probably the most successful technology company that is and ever
> was.  He was hand selected by someone to be the team leader of a portion
> of the project, he's living in what is considered one of the most
> cosmopolitan cities in the world, commuting on the weekends to be with
> his family, which includes a sweet little girl.  How much better can it
> really get?
> 
> And to top it off, he sounds as happy as I've ever known him to be.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> >
> > Oh Yes! Rapture! I GET IT!
> >
> > The infantile poseur, posing with the infant!!!
> >
> > Don't you SEE it, Ravi?? TGBW is teaching us about Unity
> Consciousness, how the inside *is* the outside, and vice-versa!!
> >
> > Simply and elegantly, through a photo, offered unapologetically to the
> peons on FFL. A picture IS worth a thousand words! Ten thousand words!
> Oh rejoice!
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.
> > >
> > > Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her
> 100,000th picture with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.
> > >
> > > Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with an
> infant everyday?
> > >
> > > Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this
> realization and spread this message. All people need to do to be happy
> is pose with an infant everyday.
> > >
> > > Reporter - Wow this is impressive.
> > >
> > > Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and thank
> me for returning happiness in their lives.
> > >
> > > Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?
> > >
> > > Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry
> Wright from Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the fan to
> shock people. But when I visited him I was struck by his photo of him
> with a little girl. I was totally covered with shit but I realized this
> was the happiest man in the world and this was the secret to happiness,
> posing with infants. Tantra Guru Barry Wright's compassion was much, he
> dramatically transformed my life.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 16, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love those
> who are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful. So easy
> to love those who love and or hate us! Reading his scathing posts while
> remembering the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's the
> happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> > > >
> > > > Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first FFL
> anniversary.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Ann awoelflebater@
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow, Barry. NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if
> the people who understand what you are all doing think it is really
> good. Congrats. Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as
> it grows (computers etc)
> > > >
> > > > Remember Share, he is not your frien

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Share Long]

noozguru I just hope I live to get into my Jupiter mahadasa.  I've got a couple 
more years of Mars, then I think 17 years of Rahu, then Jupiter.  Those Jupiter 
times can be so sweet.  A former Amma jyothishi told me Rahu would be good for 
health and relationships.  He was really good at reading the sub charts.





 From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
 

He must be in a good dasha period. :-D

And actually IBM has fumbled a few times. Ask them about OS/2 or what we 
called "half OS."

On 05/16/2013 07:43 PM, seventhray27 wrote:
> You know, it seems to me Barry is pretty much hitting the sweet spots of
> life right now.  He's working on a cutting edge technology project for
> what is probably the most successful technology company that is and ever
> was.  He was hand selected by someone to be the team leader of a portion
> of the project, he's living in what is considered one of the most
> cosmopolitan cities in the world, commuting on the weekends to be with
> his family, which includes a sweet little girl.  How much better can it
> really get?
>
> And to top it off, he sounds as happy as I've ever known him to be.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>> Oh Yes! Rapture! I GET IT!
>>
>> The infantile poseur, posing with the infant!!!
>>
>> Don't you SEE it, Ravi?? TGBW is teaching us about Unity
> Consciousness, how the inside *is* the outside, and vice-versa!!
>> Simply and elegantly, through a photo, offered unapologetically to the
> peons on FFL. A picture IS worth a thousand words! Ten thousand words!
> Oh rejoice!
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> wrote:
>>> Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.
>>>
>>> Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her
> 100,000th picture with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.
>>> Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with an
> infant everyday?
>>> Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this
> realization and spread this message. All people need to do to be happy
> is pose with an infant everyday.
>>> Reporter - Wow this is impressive.
>>>
>>> Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and thank
> me for returning happiness in their lives.
>>> Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?
>>>
>>> Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry
> Wright from Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the fan to
> shock people. But when I visited him I was struck by his photo of him
> with a little girl. I was totally covered with shit but I realized this
> was the happiest man in the world and this was the secret to happiness,
> posing with infants. Tantra Guru Barry Wright's compassion was much, he
> dramatically transformed my life.
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 16, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love those
> who are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful. So easy
> to love those who love and or hate us! Reading his scathing posts while
> remembering the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's the
> happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
>>>> Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first FFL
> anniversary.
>>>>
>>>> From: Ann awoelflebater@
>>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
>>>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, Barry. NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if
> the people who understand what you are all doing think it is really
> good. Congrats. Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as
> it grows (computers etc)
>>>> Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit"
> how many compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
>>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
>>>>>> turq, if this is what you've been working on,
> congratulations!Â
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroup

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Share Long]

Plus his health is good, he has financial security and he has a fascinating 
group of people to interact with online (-:
Wishing the sweet spot life to everyone on FFL, especially a certain young 
grumpy boots down San Diego way.





 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:43 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
 


  
You know, it seems to me Barry is pretty much hitting the sweet spots of life 
right now.  He's working on a cutting edge technology project for what is 
probably the most successful technology company that is and ever was.  He was 
hand selected by someone to be the team leader of a portion of the project, 
he's living in what is considered one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the 
world, commuting on the weekends to be with his family, which includes a sweet 
little girl.  How much better can it really get?
And to top it off, he sounds as happy as I've ever known him to be.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> Oh Yes! Rapture! I GET IT! 
> 
> The infantile poseur, posing with the infant!!!
> 
> Don't you SEE it, Ravi?? TGBW is teaching us about Unity Consciousness, how 
> the inside *is* the outside, and vice-versa!! 
> 
> Simply and elegantly, through a photo, offered unapologetically to the peons 
> on FFL. A picture IS worth a thousand words! Ten thousand words! Oh rejoice!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.
> > 
> > Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her 100,000th 
> > picture with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.
> > 
> > Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with an infant 
> > everyday?
> > 
> > Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this 
> > realization and spread this message. All people need to do to be happy is 
> > pose with an infant everyday.
> > 
> > Reporter - Wow this is impressive.
> > 
> > Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and thank me for 
> > returning happiness in their lives.
> > 
> > Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?
> > 
> > Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry Wright from 
> > Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the fan to shock people. 
> > But when I visited him I was struck by his photo of him with a little girl. 
> > I was totally covered with shit but I realized this was the happiest man in 
> > the world and this was the secret to happiness, posing with infants. Tantra 
> > Guru Barry Wright's compassion was much, he dramatically transformed my 
> > life.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On May 16, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> > 
> > > Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love those who 
> > > are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful. So easy to 
> > > love those who love and or hate us! Reading his scathing posts while 
> > > remembering the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's the 
> > > happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> > > 
> > > Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first FFL anniversary. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Ann awoelflebater@
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Wow, Barry. NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the 
> > > > people who understand what you are all doing think it is really good. 
> > > > Congrats. Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as it 
> > > > grows (computers etc)
> > > 
> > > Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit" how many 
> > > compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > To: Fairfield

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> You know, it seems to me Barry is pretty much hitting 
> the sweet spots of life right now. He's working on a 
> cutting edge technology project for what is probably 
> the most successful technology company that is and ever
> was. He was hand selected by someone to be the team 
> leader of a portion of the project, he's living in what 
> is considered one of the most cosmopolitan cities in 
> the world, commuting on the weekends to be with his 
> family, which includes a sweet little girl. How much 
> better can it really get?
> 
> And to top it off, he sounds as happy as I've ever 
> known him to be.

Careful, dude...you *know* what happens to people
who say nice things about people that a certain
group here wants only bad things said about. :-)

Seriously, thanks for the kind words. It's certainly
not as if my life is perfect, but it's as good as I
remember it *ever* having been, which is somewhat 
of an accomplishment for someone my age to be able
to say. And given my age (I am without question the 
oldest person in the building, given the mandatory 
retirement age in France), it's really a pleasure 
to be able to put a lifetime's worth of skills to
use instead of being retired in some ghastly old 
folks community and having one's choices of 
activities for the day be limited to shuffleboard 
or playing gin rummy. :-)

The company -- being as monolithic as it is -- is
far from perfect, and presents some challenges, 
but I kinda thrive on challenges. They're more FUN
than the alternative -- the same old same old every
day, every week, every month and every year. I don't
do well with that. It's probably one of the reasons
I keep moving from place to place; it "stirs the
pot" and keeps one from becoming the urban-legend
frog in a pot of water as it comes to a boil, never
realizing that one is getting cooked until you're
already cooked. 

As for Maya, well yes, she's a big factor in keep-
ing me feeling young as well. An old spiritual 
teacher of mine (yes, that one) had some sage advice
about what to do if your dog started getting old and
feeble: "Get a puppy. Being around a younger dog 
will rejuvenate him and make him feel younger."
Works with dogs, works with humans...


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> >
> > Oh Yes! Rapture! I GET IT!
> >
> > The infantile poseur, posing with the infant!!!
> >
> > Don't you SEE it, Ravi?? TGBW is teaching us about Unity
> Consciousness, how the inside *is* the outside, and vice-versa!!
> >
> > Simply and elegantly, through a photo, offered unapologetically to the
> peons on FFL. A picture IS worth a thousand words! Ten thousand words!
> Oh rejoice!
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.
> > >
> > > Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her
> 100,000th picture with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.
> > >
> > > Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with an
> infant everyday?
> > >
> > > Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this
> realization and spread this message. All people need to do to be happy
> is pose with an infant everyday.
> > >
> > > Reporter - Wow this is impressive.
> > >
> > > Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and thank
> me for returning happiness in their lives.
> > >
> > > Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?
> > >
> > > Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry
> Wright from Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the fan to
> shock people. But when I visited him I was struck by his photo of him
> with a little girl. I was totally covered with shit but I realized this
> was the happiest man in the world and this was the secret to happiness,
> posing with infants. Tantra Guru Barry Wright's compassion was much, he
> dramatically transformed my life.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 16, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love those
> who are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful. So easy
> to love those who love and or hate us! Reading his scathing posts while
> remembering the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's the
> happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> > > >
> > > > Now I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

Well, you would know better their stumbles.  I know they've made a lot,
but they've always made a correction.   And here they are just about
back on top in so many areas.  Most every retail place I visit has the
IBM point of sale terminals.  And that's just one segment of their
business.  Their R&D is probably the best in the world as well, at least
as far as computer technology.

One the other hand, with all the companies that Cisco bought up during
the tech bubble, you'd think they'd be a better position.  All the tech
companies have come down to very low P/E's I believe.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> He must be in a good dasha period. :-D
>
> And actually IBM has fumbled a few times. Ask them about OS/2 or what
we
> called "half OS."
>
> On 05/16/2013 07:43 PM, seventhray27 wrote:
> > You know, it seems to me Barry is pretty much hitting the sweet
spots of
> > life right now. He's working on a cutting edge technology project
for
> > what is probably the most successful technology company that is and
ever
> > was. He was hand selected by someone to be the team leader of a
portion
> > of the project, he's living in what is considered one of the most
> > cosmopolitan cities in the world, commuting on the weekends to be
with
> > his family, which includes a sweet little girl. How much better can
it
> > really get?
> >
> > And to top it off, he sounds as happy as I've ever known him to be.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> >> Oh Yes! Rapture! I GET IT!
> >>
> >> The infantile poseur, posing with the infant!!!
> >>
> >> Don't you SEE it, Ravi?? TGBW is teaching us about Unity
> > Consciousness, how the inside *is* the outside, and vice-versa!!
> >> Simply and elegantly, through a photo, offered unapologetically to
the
> > peons on FFL. A picture IS worth a thousand words! Ten thousand
words!
> > Oh rejoice!
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
chivukula.ravi@
> > wrote:
> >>> Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.
> >>>
> >>> Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her
> > 100,000th picture with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.
> >>> Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with
an
> > infant everyday?
> >>> Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this
> > realization and spread this message. All people need to do to be
happy
> > is pose with an infant everyday.
> >>> Reporter - Wow this is impressive.
> >>>
> >>> Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and
thank
> > me for returning happiness in their lives.
> >>> Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?
> >>>
> >>> Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry
> > Wright from Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the
fan to
> > shock people. But when I visited him I was struck by his photo of
him
> > with a little girl. I was totally covered with shit but I realized
this
> > was the happiest man in the world and this was the secret to
happiness,
> > posing with infants. Tantra Guru Barry Wright's compassion was much,
he
> > dramatically transformed my life.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On May 16, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love
those
> > who are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful. So
easy
> > to love those who love and or hate us! Reading his scathing posts
while
> > remembering the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's
the
> > happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> >>>> Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first FFL
> > anniversary.
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Ann awoelflebater@
> >>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
> >>>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wow, Barry. NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if
> > the people who understand what you are all doing think it is really
> > good. Congrats. Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then
as
> &g

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Bhairitu]

He must be in a good dasha period. :-D

And actually IBM has fumbled a few times. Ask them about OS/2 or what we 
called "half OS."

On 05/16/2013 07:43 PM, seventhray27 wrote:
> You know, it seems to me Barry is pretty much hitting the sweet spots of
> life right now.  He's working on a cutting edge technology project for
> what is probably the most successful technology company that is and ever
> was.  He was hand selected by someone to be the team leader of a portion
> of the project, he's living in what is considered one of the most
> cosmopolitan cities in the world, commuting on the weekends to be with
> his family, which includes a sweet little girl.  How much better can it
> really get?
>
> And to top it off, he sounds as happy as I've ever known him to be.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>> Oh Yes! Rapture! I GET IT!
>>
>> The infantile poseur, posing with the infant!!!
>>
>> Don't you SEE it, Ravi?? TGBW is teaching us about Unity
> Consciousness, how the inside *is* the outside, and vice-versa!!
>> Simply and elegantly, through a photo, offered unapologetically to the
> peons on FFL. A picture IS worth a thousand words! Ten thousand words!
> Oh rejoice!
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> wrote:
>>> Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.
>>>
>>> Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her
> 100,000th picture with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.
>>> Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with an
> infant everyday?
>>> Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this
> realization and spread this message. All people need to do to be happy
> is pose with an infant everyday.
>>> Reporter - Wow this is impressive.
>>>
>>> Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and thank
> me for returning happiness in their lives.
>>> Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?
>>>
>>> Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry
> Wright from Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the fan to
> shock people. But when I visited him I was struck by his photo of him
> with a little girl. I was totally covered with shit but I realized this
> was the happiest man in the world and this was the secret to happiness,
> posing with infants. Tantra Guru Barry Wright's compassion was much, he
> dramatically transformed my life.
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 16, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love those
> who are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful. So easy
> to love those who love and or hate us! Reading his scathing posts while
> remembering the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's the
> happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
>>>> Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first FFL
> anniversary.
>>>>
>>>> From: Ann awoelflebater@
>>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
>>>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, Barry. NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if
> the people who understand what you are all doing think it is really
> good. Congrats. Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as
> it grows (computers etc)
>>>> Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit"
> how many compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
>>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
>>>>>> turq, if this is what you've been working on,
> congratulations!Â
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Â
>>>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
>>>>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>>>>>>&

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

You know, it seems to me Barry is pretty much hitting the sweet spots of
life right now.  He's working on a cutting edge technology project for
what is probably the most successful technology company that is and ever
was.  He was hand selected by someone to be the team leader of a portion
of the project, he's living in what is considered one of the most
cosmopolitan cities in the world, commuting on the weekends to be with
his family, which includes a sweet little girl.  How much better can it
really get?

And to top it off, he sounds as happy as I've ever known him to be.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> Oh Yes! Rapture! I GET IT!
>
> The infantile poseur, posing with the infant!!!
>
> Don't you SEE it, Ravi?? TGBW is teaching us about Unity
Consciousness, how the inside *is* the outside, and vice-versa!!
>
> Simply and elegantly, through a photo, offered unapologetically to the
peons on FFL. A picture IS worth a thousand words! Ten thousand words!
Oh rejoice!
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> >
> > Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.
> >
> > Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her
100,000th picture with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.
> >
> > Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with an
infant everyday?
> >
> > Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this
realization and spread this message. All people need to do to be happy
is pose with an infant everyday.
> >
> > Reporter - Wow this is impressive.
> >
> > Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and thank
me for returning happiness in their lives.
> >
> > Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?
> >
> > Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry
Wright from Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the fan to
shock people. But when I visited him I was struck by his photo of him
with a little girl. I was totally covered with shit but I realized this
was the happiest man in the world and this was the secret to happiness,
posing with infants. Tantra Guru Barry Wright's compassion was much, he
dramatically transformed my life.
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 16, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> >
> > > Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love those
who are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful. So easy
to love those who love and or hate us! Reading his scathing posts while
remembering the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's the
happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> > >
> > > Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first FFL
anniversary.
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Ann awoelflebater@
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wow, Barry. NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if
the people who understand what you are all doing think it is really
good. Congrats. Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as
it grows (computers etc)
> > >
> > > Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit"
how many compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > turq, if this is what you've been working on,
congratulations!Â
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > > > > bother even trying to i

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Steve, Gosh I lost interest in responding to your other post, however I didn't 
want to leave you in the lurch with the sports-fan syndrome.

Anyway I'm sharing some excerpts from this highly confidential research 
material.

What is The Sports-fan Syndrome?

Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D UCLA has defined The Sports-fan Syndrome (SS) to be 
a blind loyalty that obscures all rational, logical, intelligent behavior.

Blind loyalty to a person resulting in the subject making careless, frivolous, 
reactive statements, coming across as fools, coming at the expense of their 
self-respect and dignity.

When others challenge the subject suffering from SS to provide something 
rational, intelligent for their loyalty and support they turn turn the tables 
on their challengers by distorting the truth, presenting vague, ludicrous, 
twisted facts about their opponents and sometimes indulge in downright slander. 
SS causes the subject to be totally unaware of their inconsistencies. The 
subject is a victim of his instincts under the grip of SS, totally at the mercy 
of the sensations caused by the highs and lows of the object of his blind 
loyalty. The subject rarely show any remorse and accountability for one's 
actions. The subject feels a tremendous draining of emotional energy after the 
SS induced behavior.

Dr. Chivukula recommends generous, healthy, daily doses of self-reflection to 
deal with debilitating condition. The key he says is preventing this blind 
loyalty to occur in the first place. Overtime this disorder can be avoided by 
directing this need for indulgence in loyalty to healthy alternatives such as 
loyalty to an actual sports team and preventing it from impacting one's normal 
life.


On May 15, 2013, at 4:59 PM, "seventhray27"  wrote:

> Hey Ravi, I'm in a happy mood right now.   Can't even think about 
> entertaining any kind of negativity.  Sports-fan Syndrome?  Have to think 
> about that.  Can't say that I am that big of a sports fan.  Yes, I do like 
> hockey, perhaps because I often get free tickets, and my boys both play 
> inline hockey.  (quite a step down in prestige, and yes, expense, from ice 
> hockey, but fun nonetheless)
> 
> But hockey fans are a somewhat different breed of sports fan.  I mean, 
> players are out on the ice for about 90 seconds in a full sprint, rest for a 
> two or three minutes, then out for another 90 second sprint.  Unless they get 
> in a fight of course. 
> 
> And the glass separating the fans from the players is about 5/8's of an inch 
> thick.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Steve. This is fair enough that you think we are good writers, 
> > steadily, stealthily trying to ferret out the truth one's not willing to 
> > acknowledge. So I have nothing to be wary of Robin then - you made it seem 
> > something sinister by referring to Robin and I was afraid you were going to 
> > come up with one or more of the following - 
> > 
> > 1) Ravi is a fundamentalist trying to use shame to control others (Share)
> > 2) Ravi suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Barry)
> > 3) Ravi is processing undirected anger to make up for his emptiness (Barry)
> > 4) Ravi is indulging in incoherent rants (Curtis)
> > 5) Ravi indulges in word-salad indicative of disassociation (Curtis)
> > 
> > You, my friend are in a very better shape than I imagined - clearly in a 
> > better, healthier frame of mind - emotionally, psychologically than Share, 
> > Barry and Curtis.
> > 
> > Anyway I officially have a diagnosis for you - "The Sports-fan Syndrome". I 
> > will get to that in your other email.
> > 
> > 
> > On May 15, 2013, at 5:11 AM, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@... wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey Ravi, thanks for the question. I think Robin is a good writer. I 
> > > think you are good writer. I mean it's remarkable what proficiency you 
> > > have in a language that is not your mother tongue.
> > > 
> > > But yes, I do perceive some Robin "creep"* in some of the expressions you 
> > > use, but more importantly, in your overall philosophy. You know, this 
> > > notion, this perceived ability to ferret out the truth of what a person 
> > > may be unwilling to acknowledge. This ability to know if what they are 
> > > saying is properly aligned with reality.
> > > 
> > > * "creep" in verb sense, not adjective sense.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What does this really mean Steve - clearly it's an honor to be compared 
> > > > to
> > > > Robin, especially if it is in his writing style but then we will always 
> > > > be
> > > > very different in our writing styles and I will never be emulate him in 
> > > > his
> > > > writing. You are out of your mind to even suggest that. Robin's 
> > > > influence
> > > > is in other areas, definitely an important one in my life.
> > > > 
> > > > If there's any reason you think why I should be wary of him - please
> > > > summarize so we 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Seriously this is the wisdom Share has on her 1st anniversary at FFL - posing 
with infants is the sure sign of a happy person. This pretty much defines her.

This woman is totally alienated from reality if she thinks Barry is the most 
happiest, spiritual person she has ever come across - this was my biggest 
concern with Steve, Curtis, Xeno - do not encourage her (or Barry's) paranoia.

Let her be titillated by the platitudes, run her damsel-in-distress routine 
with her innocent questions, her phony laughters, smileys and lame jokes, but 
please don't encourage her paranoid, sick behavior. Same with Barry.


On May 16, 2013, at 12:04 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
 wrote:

> Oh Yes! Rapture! I GET IT! 
> 
> The infantile poseur, posing with the infant!!!
> 
> Don't you SEE it, Ravi?? TGBW is teaching us about Unity Consciousness, how 
> the inside *is* the outside, and vice-versa!! 
> 
> Simply and elegantly, through a photo, offered unapologetically to the peons 
> on FFL. A picture IS worth a thousand words! Ten thousand words! Oh rejoice!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.
> > 
> > Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her 100,000th 
> > picture with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.
> > 
> > Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with an infant 
> > everyday?
> > 
> > Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this 
> > realization and spread this message. All people need to do to be happy is 
> > pose with an infant everyday.
> > 
> > Reporter - Wow this is impressive.
> > 
> > Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and thank me for 
> > returning happiness in their lives.
> > 
> > Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?
> > 
> > Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry Wright from 
> > Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the fan to shock people. 
> > But when I visited him I was struck by his photo of him with a little girl. 
> > I was totally covered with shit but I realized this was the happiest man in 
> > the world and this was the secret to happiness, posing with infants. Tantra 
> > Guru Barry Wright's compassion was much, he dramatically transformed my 
> > life.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On May 16, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Share Long  wrote:
> > 
> > > Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love those who 
> > > are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful. So easy to 
> > > love those who love and or hate us! Reading his scathing posts while 
> > > remembering the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's the 
> > > happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> > > 
> > > Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first FFL anniversary. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Ann 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Wow, Barry. NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the 
> > > > people who understand what you are all doing think it is really good. 
> > > > Congrats. Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as it 
> > > > grows (computers etc)
> > > 
> > > Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit" how many 
> > > compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: turquoiseb 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Â 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Fairfiel

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[doctordumbass]

Oh Yes! Rapture! I GET IT! 

The infantile poseur, posing with the infant!!!

Don't you SEE it, Ravi?? TGBW is teaching us about Unity Consciousness, how the 
inside *is* the outside, and vice-versa!! 

Simply and elegantly, through a photo, offered unapologetically to the peons on 
FFL. A picture IS worth a thousand words! Ten thousand words! Oh rejoice!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.
> 
> Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her 100,000th picture 
> with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.
> 
> Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with an infant 
> everyday?
> 
> Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this realization 
> and spread this message. All people need to do to be happy is pose with an 
> infant everyday.
> 
> Reporter - Wow this is impressive.
> 
> Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and thank me for 
> returning happiness in their lives.
> 
> Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?
> 
> Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry Wright from 
> Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the fan to shock people. 
> But when I visited him I was struck by his photo of him with a little girl. I 
> was totally covered with shit but I realized this was the happiest man in the 
> world and this was the secret to happiness, posing with infants. Tantra Guru 
> Barry Wright's compassion was much, he dramatically transformed my life.
> 
> 
> 
> On May 16, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Share Long  wrote:
> 
> > Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love those who are 
> > indifferent to me.  Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful.  So easy to love 
> > those who love and or hate us!  Reading his scathing posts while 
> > remembering the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's the 
> > happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> > 
> > Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first FFL anniversary.  
> > 
> > 
> > From: Ann 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Wow, Barry. NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the people 
> > > who understand what you are all doing think it is really good. Congrats. 
> > > Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as it grows 
> > > (computers etc)
> > 
> > Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit" how many 
> > compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations!  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: turquoiseb 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Â  
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > > > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > > > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > > > > > a target.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions. So I
> > > > > guess I'm a pretty guilty party.
> > > > 
> > > > You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) 
> > > > If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means 
> > > > continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago.
> > > > 
> > > > > BTW, neat story about your current working assignment.
> > > > 
> > > > It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for
> > > > those (few) who might be interested:
> > > > 
> > > > IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award
> > > > 
> > > > IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award 
> > > > for Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information 
> > > > Industry Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the 
> > > > software and digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a 
> > > > prestigious honor as winners are reviewed and chosen by software 
> > > > industry executives and SIIA member votes.  
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480Â 
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Meet Ms. Share Long - the pioneer of Global Halpiness.

Ms. Long entered the Guinness book of world records for her 100,000th picture 
with an infant. Reporters caught up with Ms. Long.

Reporter - Ms. Long, is this your secret to happiness - pose with an infant 
everyday?

Ms. Long - Yes, I sincerely believe this. God helped come to this realization 
and spread this message. All people need to do to be happy is pose with an 
infant everyday.

Reporter - Wow this is impressive.

Ms. Long - Yes, people walk up to me everyday, hug and cry and thank me for 
returning happiness in their lives.

Reporter - Ms. Long, who was your inspiration?

Ms. Long - it was an enigmatic, enlightened tantric Guru Barry Wright from 
Amsterdam. He has a habit of throwing his shit at the fan to shock people. But 
when I visited him I was struck by his photo of him with a little girl. I was 
totally covered with shit but I realized this was the happiest man in the world 
and this was the secret to happiness, posing with infants. Tantra Guru Barry 
Wright's compassion was much, he dramatically transformed my life.



On May 16, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Share Long  wrote:

> Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love those who are 
> indifferent to me.  Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful.  So easy to love 
> those who love and or hate us!  Reading his scathing posts while remembering 
> the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's the happiest curmudgeon 
> I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> 
> Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first FFL anniversary.  
> 
> 
> From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> 
>  
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Wow, Barry. NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the people 
> > who understand what you are all doing think it is really good. Congrats. 
> > Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as it grows (computers 
> > etc)
> 
> Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit" how many 
> compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations!  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: turquoiseb 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Â  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > > > > a target.
> > > > 
> > > > I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions. So I
> > > > guess I'm a pretty guilty party.
> > > 
> > > You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) 
> > > If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means 
> > > continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago.
> > > 
> > > > BTW, neat story about your current working assignment.
> > > 
> > > It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for
> > > those (few) who might be interested:
> > > 
> > > IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award
> > > 
> > > IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award 
> > > for Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information 
> > > Industry Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the 
> > > software and digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a 
> > > prestigious honor as winners are reviewed and chosen by software industry 
> > > executives and SIIA member votes.  
> > > 
> > > http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480Â 
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[doctordumbass]

Great satire, Bee!! I especially love the part where you proclaim yourself 
above social interaction on the Internet! LOL - Good One! And also the bit 
about not caring what others think of you! F'ing Priceless! 

And the rant about *other people's* NEEDINESS was best of all! Rock It, my 
little man! You should turn this into stand-up, Barry, seriously. 

Perhaps next you can try to convince us how you no longer need to eat, sleep or 
breathe, so advanced have you become. This is great stuff, and please don't be 
bashful about sharing your humor as often as you like! We always appreciate a 
good laugh here on FFL! Whooo-eee! Good one! ROFLMAO! 

Thanks again, Popeye! LOL

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to 
> > love those who are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson 
> > so I'm grateful. So easy to love those who love and or 
> > hate us! Reading his scathing posts while remembering 
> > the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's 
> > the happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> > 
> > Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first 
> > FFL anniversary.
> 
> Ann, although my intention is *never* to try to teach
> anybody anything, if there were anything I was trying
> to get across here on FFL, that issue might be a 
> candidate. I tire of the abject NEEDINESS of some 
> FFL participants, and how offended and panicky they
> seem to get when people *are* indifferent to them, 
> or don't respond to them. 
> 
> I admit to not getting it. If I want social interaction,
> I go out and hang with real-life friends. I don't 
> depend on some pathetic cybersimulation of socializing
> to get "feedback" or "interaction." 
> 
> Do I have a lack of tolerance for those who *are* so
> NEEDY, and can't seem to go more than a few hours 
> without trolling for attention? You betcha. But do I
> try to "teach" them anything? No way. I just withhold
> from them that which they seem to seek the most, my
> attention, and allow them to react to that however
> they want. 
> 
> As for being a "happy curmudgeon," I plead guilty. 
> What you and many folks don't seem to understand, 
> given your lack of exposure to tantra -- the peace-
> ful coexistence of opposites -- is that someone can
> be *both*, without any problems. As for claims that
> *I* am trolling for attention, I beg to differ. I
> just write about my life. Those who feel that I must
> either lie about it or embellish it to make it sound
> more interesting simply must not have much of a life
> themselves, to think that. 
> 
> I yam what I yam, as Popeye used to say. I don't 
> really give much of a shit what other people think
> of what I yam. 
> 
> Happy anniversary...
> 
> > 
> >  From: Ann 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> >  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Wow, Barry.  NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the people 
> > > who understand what you are all doing think it is really good.  Congrats. 
> > >  Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as it grows 
> > > (computers etc)
> > 
> > Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit" how many 
> > compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations!  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > > > bother even trying to interact wi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Richard J. Williams]

> > Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to 
> > love those who are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson 
> > so I'm grateful. So easy to love those who love and or 
> > hate us! Reading his scathing posts while remembering 
> > the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's 
> > the happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> > 
> > Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first 
> > FFL anniversary.
> >
turquoise:
> Ann, although my intention is *never* to try to teach
> anybody anything,
>
"I just felt that it was my responsibility, since so 
many people had taken the time to help me along, to 
do the same for others." - Zen Master Rama

http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/rama_teacher.html

> if there were anything I was trying
> to get across here on FFL, that issue might be a 
> candidate. I tire of the abject NEEDINESS of some 
> FFL participants, and how offended and panicky they
> seem to get when people *are* indifferent to them, 
> or don't respond to them. 
> 
> I admit to not getting it. If I want social interaction,
> I go out and hang with real-life friends. I don't 
> depend on some pathetic cybersimulation of socializing
> to get "feedback" or "interaction." 
> 
> Do I have a lack of tolerance for those who *are* so
> NEEDY, and can't seem to go more than a few hours 
> without trolling for attention? You betcha. But do I
> try to "teach" them anything? No way. I just withhold
> from them that which they seem to seek the most, my
> attention, and allow them to react to that however
> they want. 
> 
> As for being a "happy curmudgeon," I plead guilty. 
> What you and many folks don't seem to understand, 
> given your lack of exposure to tantra -- the peace-
> ful coexistence of opposites -- is that someone can
> be *both*, without any problems. As for claims that
> *I* am trolling for attention, I beg to differ. I
> just write about my life. Those who feel that I must
> either lie about it or embellish it to make it sound
> more interesting simply must not have much of a life
> themselves, to think that. 
> 
> I yam what I yam, as Popeye used to say. I don't 
> really give much of a shit what other people think
> of what I yam. 
> 
> Happy anniversary...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

 and irrelevant to the subject at 
> hand. Nobody's talking about your little stories about cafes and walking on 
> the canals. Those are good reading, most of the time. No one is asking for 
> embellishment. Where did you get that?


Probably from me (from whom he purportedly withholds his
attention). I wrote in a post to Xeno that given the
extremely low truth quotient in his attack posts, we have
no reason to assume his little stories about his non-FFL
life are perfectly credible. After all, we have no way of
knowing how much truth there is to the stories, unlike
what we know about his attack posts, so he'd feel free to
embellish and/or lie in the stories without fear of
contradiction.


> > I yam what I yam, as Popeye used to say. I don't 
> > really give much of a shit what other people think
> > of what I yam. 
> 
> We've heard that a million times. What that statement actually means or 
> signifies I am not interested enough to wonder about. I also would question 
> the truth of it.


The very post you're responding to gives the lie to that
claim. Most of the rest of his posts are about promoting
his self-image in one respect or another.


> > Happy anniversary...
> 
> It's not my anniversary but thanks anyway. (oh, I see that you probably 
> thought you were responding to Share, even though you addressed me at the 
> top.) Thanks for the writing prompt.

(guffaw)


> > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Ann 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Wow, Barry.  NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the 
> > > > people who understand what you are all doing think it is really good.  
> > > > Congrats.  Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as it 
> > > > grows (computers etc)
> > > 
> > > Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit" how many 
> > > compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations!  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > > > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > > > > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > > > > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > > > > > > a target.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions.  
> > > > > > So I
> > > > > > guess I'm a pretty guilty party.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) 
> > > > > If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means 
> > > > > continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > BTW, neat story about your current working assignment.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for
> > > > > those (few) who might be interested:
> > > > > 
> > > > > IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award
> > > > > 
> > > > > IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE 
> > > > > Award for Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and 
> > > > > Information Industry Association (SIIA), the principal trade 
> > > > > association for the software and digital content industries. The SIIA 
> > > > > CODiE Award win is a prestigious honor as winners are reviewed and 
> > > > > chosen by software industry executives and SIIA member votes.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480 
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Bhairitu]

On 05/15/2013 10:38 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>> Wow, Barry.  NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds
>> as if the people who understand what you are all doing
>> think it is really good.  Congrats.  Nice to be part
>> of a field at its inception and then as it grows
>> (computers etc)
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>>> turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations!
> >From my point of view the product has a long way to go
> before it's really as good as the SIIA thinks, but it's
> gettin' there. For the record, neither IBM nor ILOG
> invented Worklight; it was designed by an Israeli
> company that IBM bought. But in the time since the
> acquisition (a little over a year) IBM has "grown"
> the product tremendously, from the "nice idea, but
> poorly realized" stage to the "really starting to
> get there" stage.
>
> It's simply amazing to learn how much there is TO
> writing professional mobile apps, whether they be for
> phones or tablet computers or whatever. It isn't just
> home programmers writing "Angry Birds" and selling it
> for $1.99 a download any more. Apps that are "business-
> worthy" need to have full security and be as bullet-
> proof as any other modern software system. Worklight
> is just a development tool that makes it easier to
> build those types of apps.
>
> Our real-life customers include banks, health care
> providers, airlines, transportation firms, etc. It's
> truly amazing what these tiny computers-in-our-pockets
> can do. We've got one customer whose app senses that
> truck drivers are approaching the warehouse for a
> delivery (via geo-location) and has a crew waiting
> at the loading dock ready to unload the moment they
> drive up. Sounds simple, but this simple change of
> procedure saved the company millions of dollars in
> lost time since it's been implemented.
>
> As Susan says, it's fun to be part of something that
> is hanging ten on waves of the future...

I looked at it but not my cuppa tea.  I don't like "the cloud". Smacks 
of old IBM mainframes and consoles.  Like you say it makes sense 
probably more for the business world.  But then they sure want to put 
about everything on "the cloud."  Probably nothing more than a bunch of 
goofy suits who are enamored with the latest buzz words yet don't 
understand shit.  You can throw a rock in the business world and hit one 
of those.  Word to the public, keep as much of your computing where you 
are not a bunch of control freaks on "the cloud." ;-)

One thing I can say for IBM is they do have better documentation and 
examples for things.  I've found that with their Java examples and more 
lately with SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics).  They cut to the chase and 
give simple basic examples which is what I'm looking for than some dumb 
kid showing off for his boss or his next job, writing an overly 
complicated example you have to untangle (Google examples and docs).

One  more thing about "the cloud": it's not there yet because you have 
too many monopolist telecoms, especially in the US, trying to profit off 
the Internet and not building out to the extent that you can have "a 
cloud."  In some countries wireless is too undependable for "the 
cloud."  Since this targets mobile that has to be there.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to 
> > love those who are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson 
> > so I'm grateful. So easy to love those who love and or 
> > hate us! Reading his scathing posts while remembering 
> > the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's 
> > the happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> > 
> > Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first 
> > FFL anniversary.
> 
> Ann, although my intention is *never* to try to teach
> anybody anything, if there were anything I was trying
> to get across here on FFL, that issue might be a 
> candidate. I tire of the abject NEEDINESS of some 
> FFL participants, and how offended and panicky they
> seem to get when people *are* indifferent to them, 
> or don't respond to them. 

You keep saying this Barry, and I have never seen one instance of this. Who, in 
god's name, are you actually talking about here? If you mean that Robin was 
hurt or disappointed or whatever it is you think he was about Curtis not 
answering some 5 part posting that is all I can think of. But for the life of 
me you are making this up about all these people getting "panicky" and 
"offended". Who? What? How do you define "neediness"? Anyone bothering to 
participate here is wanting something from the activity - even if it is just a 
good laugh. 
> 
> I admit to not getting it. If I want social interaction,
> I go out and hang with real-life friends. I don't 
> depend on some pathetic cybersimulation of socializing
> to get "feedback" or "interaction." 

PLEASE! And who doesn't do this who posts here? You have no idea what anyone's 
personal lives are offline. Just as I can't assume you have no friends you can 
hardly make the assertion you did above and actually think it true (can you?!)
> 
> Do I have a lack of tolerance for those who *are* so
> NEEDY, and can't seem to go more than a few hours 
> without trolling for attention?

Barry, you post as much as anyone here so what category does that put you in? 
And since you admit to loving to "push people's buttons" how does that relate 
to trolling?

> You betcha. But do I
> try to "teach" them anything? No way. I just withhold
> from them that which they seem to seek the most, my
> attention, and allow them to react to that however
> they want. 

Well, thanks for the freedom. What do you mean "allow"? How could you disallow 
it? And, oh great withholder, I don't think you are capable of giving "needy" 
people what they actually require (although you certainly fed Share a lot of 
crap) but you are very willing and able to hand out a lot of negative, 
counterproductive swill. Your feedback is virtually always to incite further 
dissension between posters or to put people down. I have never, in the 15 
months I have been around here, seen you add wisdom, empathy, understanding 
that would engender healing or gentleness to this place. 
> 
> As for being a "happy curmudgeon," I plead guilty. 
> What you and many folks don't seem to understand, 
> given your lack of exposure to tantra -- the peace-
> ful coexistence of opposites -- is that someone can
> be *both*, without any problems. As for claims that
> *I* am trolling for attention, I beg to differ. I
> just write about my life.

Pshaw, no you don't. You write about others - endlessly. You are constantly 
analyzing and throwing in your half a cent about what motivates, animates, 
compels everyone here to do what they do. 

> Those who feel that I must
> either lie about it or embellish it to make it sound
> more interesting simply must not have much of a life
> themselves, to think that. 

Another sweeping statement based on nothing and irrelevant to the subject at 
hand. Nobody's talking about your little stories about cafes and walking on the 
canals. Those are good reading, most of the time. No one is asking for 
embellishment. Where did you get that? 
> 
> I yam what I yam, as Popeye used to say. I don't 
> really give much of a shit what other people think
> of what I yam. 

We've heard that a million times. What that statement actually means or 
signifies I am not interested enough to wonder about. I also would question the 
truth of it.
> 
> Happy anniversary...

It's not my anniversary but thanks anyway. (oh, I see that you probably thought 
you were responding to Share, even though you addressed me at the top.) Thanks 
for the writing prompt.
> 
> > 
> >  From: Ann 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to 
> love those who are indifferent to me. Big valuable lesson 
> so I'm grateful. So easy to love those who love and or 
> hate us! Reading his scathing posts while remembering 
> the photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's 
> the happiest curmudgeon I've ever known, thus an enigma.
> 
> Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first 
> FFL anniversary.

Ann, although my intention is *never* to try to teach
anybody anything, if there were anything I was trying
to get across here on FFL, that issue might be a 
candidate. I tire of the abject NEEDINESS of some 
FFL participants, and how offended and panicky they
seem to get when people *are* indifferent to them, 
or don't respond to them. 

I admit to not getting it. If I want social interaction,
I go out and hang with real-life friends. I don't 
depend on some pathetic cybersimulation of socializing
to get "feedback" or "interaction." 

Do I have a lack of tolerance for those who *are* so
NEEDY, and can't seem to go more than a few hours 
without trolling for attention? You betcha. But do I
try to "teach" them anything? No way. I just withhold
from them that which they seem to seek the most, my
attention, and allow them to react to that however
they want. 

As for being a "happy curmudgeon," I plead guilty. 
What you and many folks don't seem to understand, 
given your lack of exposure to tantra -- the peace-
ful coexistence of opposites -- is that someone can
be *both*, without any problems. As for claims that
*I* am trolling for attention, I beg to differ. I
just write about my life. Those who feel that I must
either lie about it or embellish it to make it sound
more interesting simply must not have much of a life
themselves, to think that. 

I yam what I yam, as Popeye used to say. I don't 
really give much of a shit what other people think
of what I yam. 

Happy anniversary...

> ____
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > 
> > Wow, Barry.  NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the people 
> > who understand what you are all doing think it is really good.  Congrats.  
> > Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as it grows (computers 
> > etc)
> 
> Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit" how many 
> compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations!  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > > > > a target.
> > > > 
> > > > I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions.  So I
> > > > guess I'm a pretty guilty party.
> > > 
> > > You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) 
> > > If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means 
> > > continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago.
> > > 
> > > > BTW, neat story about your current working assignment.
> > > 
> > > It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for
> > > those (few) who might be interested:
> > > 
> > > IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award
> > > 
> > > IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award 
> > > for Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information 
> > > Industry Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the 
> > > software and digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a 
> > > prestigious honor as winners are reviewed and chosen by software industry 
> > > executives and SIIA member votes.  
> > > 
> > > http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480 
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Share Long]

Ann, surely unintentionally, turq is teaching me how to love those who are 
indifferent to me.  Big valuable lesson so I'm grateful.  So easy to love those 
who love and or hate us!  Reading his scathing posts while remembering the 
photo of him holding infant Maya, I conclude he's the happiest curmudgeon I've 
ever known, thus an enigma.

Now I'm laughing as I remember that today is my first FFL anniversary.      





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> 
> Wow, Barry.  NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the people who 
> understand what you are all doing think it is really good.  Congrats.  Nice 
> to be part of a field at its inception and then as it grows (computers etc)

Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit" how many 
compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations!  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > > > a target.
> > > 
> > > I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions.  So I
> > > guess I'm a pretty guilty party.
> > 
> > You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) 
> > If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means 
> > continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago.
> > 
> > > BTW, neat story about your current working assignment.
> > 
> > It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for
> > those (few) who might be interested:
> > 
> > IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award
> > 
> > IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award for 
> > Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information Industry 
> > Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the software and 
> > digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a prestigious honor 
> > as winners are reviewed and chosen by software industry executives and SIIA 
> > member votes.  
> > 
> > http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480 
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> Wow, Barry.  NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds 
> as if the people who understand what you are all doing 
> think it is really good.  Congrats.  Nice to be part 
> of a field at its inception and then as it grows 
> (computers etc)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations!

>From my point of view the product has a long way to go
before it's really as good as the SIIA thinks, but it's
gettin' there. For the record, neither IBM nor ILOG 
invented Worklight; it was designed by an Israeli
company that IBM bought. But in the time since the
acquisition (a little over a year) IBM has "grown" 
the product tremendously, from the "nice idea, but 
poorly realized" stage to the "really starting to 
get there" stage. 

It's simply amazing to learn how much there is TO
writing professional mobile apps, whether they be for
phones or tablet computers or whatever. It isn't just
home programmers writing "Angry Birds" and selling it
for $1.99 a download any more. Apps that are "business-
worthy" need to have full security and be as bullet-
proof as any other modern software system. Worklight
is just a development tool that makes it easier to
build those types of apps. 

Our real-life customers include banks, health care 
providers, airlines, transportation firms, etc. It's
truly amazing what these tiny computers-in-our-pockets
can do. We've got one customer whose app senses that
truck drivers are approaching the warehouse for a 
delivery (via geo-location) and has a crew waiting 
at the loading dock ready to unload the moment they
drive up. Sounds simple, but this simple change of 
procedure saved the company millions of dollars in
lost time since it's been implemented. 

As Susan says, it's fun to be part of something that
is hanging ten on waves of the future...

> > ____________
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> >  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > > > a target.
> > > 
> > > I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those 
> > > interactions.  So I
> > > guess I'm a pretty guilty party.
> > 
> > You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) 
> > If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means 
> > continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago.
> > 
> > > BTW, neat story about your current working assignment.
> > 
> > It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for
> > those (few) who might be interested:
> > 
> > IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award
> > 
> > IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award for 
> > Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information Industry 
> > Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the software and 
> > digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a prestigious honor 
> > as winners are reviewed and chosen by software industry executives and SIIA 
> > member votes.  
> > 
> > http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> 
> Wow, Barry.  NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the people who 
> understand what you are all doing think it is really good.  Congrats.  Nice 
> to be part of a field at its inception and then as it grows (computers etc)

Remember Share, he is not your friend and "doesn't give a shit" how many 
compliments you give him. But carry on believin'.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations!  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > > > a target.
> > > 
> > > I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions.  So I
> > > guess I'm a pretty guilty party.
> > 
> > You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) 
> > If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means 
> > continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago.
> > 
> > > BTW, neat story about your current working assignment.
> > 
> > It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for
> > those (few) who might be interested:
> > 
> > IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award
> > 
> > IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award for 
> > Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information Industry 
> > Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the software and 
> > digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a prestigious honor 
> > as winners are reviewed and chosen by software industry executives and SIIA 
> > member votes.  
> > 
> > http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it it 
> flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or deflects. 
> I think it would be difficult to judge based on his interactions with the 
> strange bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know much about his non-posting 
> private life. He has a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives 
> and works. Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in some 
> way, are probably largely fictional and artificial compared to the way we act 
> with real people, real time. This is the place where we dump our monsters of 
> the id. This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take 
> a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It 
> is called reciprocity.

Oh Xeno, you are a tolerant one. And you are mistaken here. Barry is very 
consistent in how he portrays himself at FFL. You have to be reflecting 
something pretty basic to your fundamental character to be able to do that day 
after day. Accept it, this person that you tend to forever give the benefit of 
the doubt to is not some children's party clown on his free weekends nor does 
he volunteer at his local dog shelter or soup kitchen. This is a man who has 
spent almost two decades dumping on people and resisting the natural 
inclination to be a social animal in the more positive sense. If I made myself 
respond to people the way he does for just a 24 hour period I would feel 
wretched and drained.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board.
> > 
> > Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask 
> > for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. 
> > Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable 
> > response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad 
> > old fuck, that one.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, 
> > > other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here 
> > > with a Knapp update some months back.
> > > 
> > > From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how 
> > > you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and 
> > > whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part 
> > > of the "Hate Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love Brigade"?) 
> > > 
> > > Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the 
> > > posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to 
> > > communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with.
> > > 
> > > Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions 
> > > regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the 
> > > bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your 
> > > advice/suggestions.  What's up with that? You trying to start your own 
> > > little forum cult?
> > > 
> > > I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It 
> > > seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the 
> > > pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What 
> > > good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate 
> > > with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more 
> > > us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what 
> > > > > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> > > > 
> > > > I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
> > > > and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> > > > used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> > > > understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> > > > have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
> > > > class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
> > > > Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
> > > > cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)
> > > > 
> > > > There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> > > > they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
> > > > replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
> > > > replying to. 
> > > > 
> > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > > and compassion

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >
> > PS: I imagine Barry, since you most likely won't respond 
> > to me directly and if my limited forum observations are 
> > correct and if you choose to address anything I stated, 
> > you will do so in an indirect manner with a new topic 
> > and without naming names. 
> 
> Nonsense. I will ignore it -- and you -- completely.

Well, not quite "completely". 

Are you always so unpleasant to the human race, Barry? I mean, who made you 
King of the Grumps? My God, let's hope you are never reliant on anyone to be 
kind to you in any hour of need. I am not sure your so-called collective karma 
would exactly summon forth the angels of mercy. Watch out because fear and 
suffering can make blubbering, helpless wretches of us all - often begging for 
some human warmth and comfort in our darker hours. 

> Have a nice day.  :-)
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, 
> > > other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here 
> > > with a Knapp update some months back.
> > > 
> > > From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how 
> > > you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and 
> > > whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part 
> > > of the "Hate Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love Brigade"?) 
> > > 
> > > Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the 
> > > posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to 
> > > communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with.
> > > 
> > > Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions 
> > > regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the 
> > > bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your 
> > > advice/suggestions.  What's up with that? You trying to start your own 
> > > little forum cult?
> > > 
> > > I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It 
> > > seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the 
> > > pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What 
> > > good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate 
> > > with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more 
> > > us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what 
> > > > > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> > > > 
> > > > I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
> > > > and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> > > > used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> > > > understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> > > > have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
> > > > class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
> > > > Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
> > > > cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)
> > > > 
> > > > There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> > > > they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
> > > > replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
> > > > replying to. 
> > > > 
> > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > > > a target. 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > > > > to anyone.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Susan]

Wow, Barry.  NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the people who 
understand what you are all doing think it is really good.  Congrats.  Nice to 
be part of a field at its inception and then as it grows (computers etc)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations!  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
>  
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > > a target.
> > 
> > I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions.  So I
> > guess I'm a pretty guilty party.
> 
> You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) 
> If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means 
> continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago.
> 
> > BTW, neat story about your current working assignment.
> 
> It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for
> those (few) who might be interested:
> 
> IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award
> 
> IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award for 
> Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information Industry 
> Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the software and 
> digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a prestigious honor 
> as winners are reviewed and chosen by software industry executives and SIIA 
> member votes.  
> 
> http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Share Long]

turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations!  





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > a target.
> 
> I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions.  So I
> guess I'm a pretty guilty party.

You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) 
If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means 
continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago.

> BTW, neat story about your current working assignment.

It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for
those (few) who might be interested:

IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award

IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award for Best 
Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information Industry 
Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the software and 
digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a prestigious honor as 
winners are reviewed and chosen by software industry executives and SIIA member 
votes.  

http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

I'd recommend dropping about $300.00 for two lower bowl seats to a low
profile game with someone you like and who has a curiosity about the
game to see if it has any interest.  On the other hand, I really
wouldn't think of dropping that amount for a pro basketball game even as
a curiosity.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>
> Well yeah, though I have never watched an entire game I have seen
highlights on ESPN Sports center so I think I am aware of those aspects
of Ice Hockey.
>
> Anyway I will respond after work and you can skip it and read it
tomorrow.
>
> On May 15, 2013, at 4:59 PM, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@... wrote:
>
> > Hey Ravi, I'm in a happy mood right now. Can't even think about
entertaining any kind of negativity. Sports-fan Syndrome? Have to think
about that. Can't say that I am that big of a sports fan. Yes, I do like
hockey, perhaps because I often get free tickets, and my boys both play
inline hockey. (quite a step down in prestige, and yes, expense, from
ice hockey, but fun nonetheless)
> >
> > But hockey fans are a somewhat different breed of sports fan. I
mean, players are out on the ice for about 90 seconds in a full sprint,
rest for a two or three minutes, then out for another 90 second sprint.
Unless they get in a fight of course.
> >
> > And the glass separating the fans from the players is about 5/8's of
an inch thick.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Steve. This is fair enough that you think we are good
writers, steadily, stealthily trying to ferret out the truth one's not
willing to acknowledge. So I have nothing to be wary of Robin then - you
made it seem something sinister by referring to Robin and I was afraid
you were going to come up with one or more of the following -
> > >
> > > 1) Ravi is a fundamentalist trying to use shame to control others
(Share)
> > > 2) Ravi suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Barry)
> > > 3) Ravi is processing undirected anger to make up for his
emptiness (Barry)
> > > 4) Ravi is indulging in incoherent rants (Curtis)
> > > 5) Ravi indulges in word-salad indicative of disassociation
(Curtis)
> > >
> > > You, my friend are in a very better shape than I imagined -
clearly in a better, healthier frame of mind - emotionally,
psychologically than Share, Barry and Curtis.
> > >
> > > Anyway I officially have a diagnosis for you - "The Sports-fan
Syndrome". I will get to that in your other email.
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 15, 2013, at 5:11 AM, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Ravi, thanks for the question. I think Robin is a good
writer. I think you are good writer. I mean it's remarkable what
proficiency you have in a language that is not your mother tongue.
> > > >
> > > > But yes, I do perceive some Robin "creep"* in some of the
expressions you use, but more importantly, in your overall philosophy.
You know, this notion, this perceived ability to ferret out the truth of
what a person may be unwilling to acknowledge. This ability to know if
what they are saying is properly aligned with reality.
> > > >
> > > > * "creep" in verb sense, not adjective sense.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What does this really mean Steve - clearly it's an honor to be
compared to
> > > > > Robin, especially if it is in his writing style but then we
will always be
> > > > > very different in our writing styles and I will never be
emulate him in his
> > > > > writing. You are out of your mind to even suggest that.
Robin's influence
> > > > > is in other areas, definitely an important one in my life.
> > > > >
> > > > > If there's any reason you think why I should be wary of him -
please
> > > > > summarize so we can discuss it in a conventional way.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi
writes has a
> > > > > > Robin "feel".
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
steve.sundur@wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > > > > > to anyone.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>
> Oh Xeno you are so clueless to how you use inane platitudes to make up
for your bias.
>
> You think it's just a persona of Barry, that Barry is just acting? Why
would he act in such a way that it shows him as the most emotionally,
psychologically stunted poster here on FFL? If I were just acting,
projecting a persona I wouldn't be a masochist hell bent on humiliating
myself by projecting such a persona - a persona which points to a strong
disability.
>
> Case in point
>
> Steve says I have an exceptional mind and am a very good writer.
>
> I myself am quite confident and secure in the knowledge of having an
exceptional mind and being a good writer.
>
> So here comes Barry this morning - with his Ravi being narcissistic
and a real bad writer. What do you make of it? What is his persona, his
act here? What is the lesson we can take home here? Who's right here?

I'd chalk it up to a mere difference of opinion.  Happens all the time,
and no big deal really.
>
>
>
> On May 15, 2013, at 1:40 PM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" anartaxius@...
wrote:
>
> > Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you
have it it flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either
accepts or deflects. I think it would be difficult to judge based on his
interactions with the strange bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know
much about his non-posting private life. He has a job; he has friends,
he seems to like where he lives and works. Our personas here, while they
may reflect 'who we are' in some way, are probably largely fictional and
artificial compared to the way we act with real people, real time. This
is the place where we dump our monsters of the id. This place is the
toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take a dump once in a
while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It is called
reciprocity.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this
board.
> > >
> > > Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows
to ask for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap
him down. Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the
inevitable response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention
for him. One sad old fuck, that one.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never
have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted
here with a Knapp update some months back.
> > > >
> > > > From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once
about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your
time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks
are part of the "Hate Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love
Brigade"?)
> > > >
> > > > Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters
their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in
continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to
communicate with.
> > > >
> > > > Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own
decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this
forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your
advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own
little forum cult?
> > > >
> > > > I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic
accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself
with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who
isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to
communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just
promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy. Lately, much of what
> > > > > > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> > > > >
> > > > > I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
> > > > > and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> > > > > used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> > > > > understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> > > > > have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101
> > > > > class, while having skipped the How To Write Something
> > > > > Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke
> > > > > cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> > > > > they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
> > > > > replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
> > > > > replying to.
> > > > >
> > > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Well yeah, though I have never watched an entire game I have seen highlights on 
ESPN Sports center so I think I am aware of those aspects of Ice Hockey.

Anyway I will respond after work and you can skip it and read it tomorrow.

On May 15, 2013, at 4:59 PM, "seventhray27"  wrote:

> Hey Ravi, I'm in a happy mood right now.   Can't even think about 
> entertaining any kind of negativity.  Sports-fan Syndrome?  Have to think 
> about that.  Can't say that I am that big of a sports fan.  Yes, I do like 
> hockey, perhaps because I often get free tickets, and my boys both play 
> inline hockey.  (quite a step down in prestige, and yes, expense, from ice 
> hockey, but fun nonetheless)
> 
> But hockey fans are a somewhat different breed of sports fan.  I mean, 
> players are out on the ice for about 90 seconds in a full sprint, rest for a 
> two or three minutes, then out for another 90 second sprint.  Unless they get 
> in a fight of course. 
> 
> And the glass separating the fans from the players is about 5/8's of an inch 
> thick.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Steve. This is fair enough that you think we are good writers, 
> > steadily, stealthily trying to ferret out the truth one's not willing to 
> > acknowledge. So I have nothing to be wary of Robin then - you made it seem 
> > something sinister by referring to Robin and I was afraid you were going to 
> > come up with one or more of the following - 
> > 
> > 1) Ravi is a fundamentalist trying to use shame to control others (Share)
> > 2) Ravi suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Barry)
> > 3) Ravi is processing undirected anger to make up for his emptiness (Barry)
> > 4) Ravi is indulging in incoherent rants (Curtis)
> > 5) Ravi indulges in word-salad indicative of disassociation (Curtis)
> > 
> > You, my friend are in a very better shape than I imagined - clearly in a 
> > better, healthier frame of mind - emotionally, psychologically than Share, 
> > Barry and Curtis.
> > 
> > Anyway I officially have a diagnosis for you - "The Sports-fan Syndrome". I 
> > will get to that in your other email.
> > 
> > 
> > On May 15, 2013, at 5:11 AM, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@... wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey Ravi, thanks for the question. I think Robin is a good writer. I 
> > > think you are good writer. I mean it's remarkable what proficiency you 
> > > have in a language that is not your mother tongue.
> > > 
> > > But yes, I do perceive some Robin "creep"* in some of the expressions you 
> > > use, but more importantly, in your overall philosophy. You know, this 
> > > notion, this perceived ability to ferret out the truth of what a person 
> > > may be unwilling to acknowledge. This ability to know if what they are 
> > > saying is properly aligned with reality.
> > > 
> > > * "creep" in verb sense, not adjective sense.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What does this really mean Steve - clearly it's an honor to be compared 
> > > > to
> > > > Robin, especially if it is in his writing style but then we will always 
> > > > be
> > > > very different in our writing styles and I will never be emulate him in 
> > > > his
> > > > writing. You are out of your mind to even suggest that. Robin's 
> > > > influence
> > > > is in other areas, definitely an important one in my life.
> > > > 
> > > > If there's any reason you think why I should be wary of him - please
> > > > summarize so we can discuss it in a conventional way.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...:
> > > > 
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes 
> > > > > has a
> > > > > Robin "feel".
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" 
> > > > > > steve.sundur@wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > > > > to anyone.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

Hey Ravi, I'm in a happy mood right now.   Can't even think about
entertaining any kind of negativity.  Sports-fan Syndrome?  Have to
think about that.  Can't say that I am that big of a sports fan.  Yes, I
do like hockey, perhaps because I often get free tickets, and my boys
both play inline hockey.  (quite a step down in prestige, and yes,
expense, from ice hockey, but fun nonetheless)

But hockey fans are a somewhat different breed of sports fan.  I mean,
players are out on the ice for about 90 seconds in a full sprint, rest
for a two or three minutes, then out for another 90 second sprint. 
Unless they get in a fight of course.

And the glass separating the fans from the players is about 5/8's of an
inch thick.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>
> Thanks Steve. This is fair enough that you think we are good writers,
steadily, stealthily trying to ferret out the truth one's not willing to
acknowledge. So I have nothing to be wary of Robin then - you made it
seem something sinister by referring to Robin and I was afraid you were
going to come up with one or more of the following -
>
> 1) Ravi is a fundamentalist trying to use shame to control others
(Share)
> 2) Ravi suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Barry)
> 3) Ravi is processing undirected anger to make up for his emptiness
(Barry)
> 4) Ravi is indulging in incoherent rants (Curtis)
> 5) Ravi indulges in word-salad indicative of disassociation (Curtis)
>
> You, my friend are in a very better shape than I imagined - clearly in
a better, healthier frame of mind - emotionally, psychologically than
Share, Barry and Curtis.
>
> Anyway I officially have a diagnosis for you - "The Sports-fan
Syndrome". I will get to that in your other email.
>
>
> On May 15, 2013, at 5:11 AM, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@... wrote:
>
> > Hey Ravi, thanks for the question. I think Robin is a good writer. I
think you are good writer. I mean it's remarkable what proficiency you
have in a language that is not your mother tongue.
> >
> > But yes, I do perceive some Robin "creep"* in some of the
expressions you use, but more importantly, in your overall philosophy.
You know, this notion, this perceived ability to ferret out the truth of
what a person may be unwilling to acknowledge. This ability to know if
what they are saying is properly aligned with reality.
> >
> > * "creep" in verb sense, not adjective sense.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > >
> > > What does this really mean Steve - clearly it's an honor to be
compared to
> > > Robin, especially if it is in his writing style but then we will
always be
> > > very different in our writing styles and I will never be emulate
him in his
> > > writing. You are out of your mind to even suggest that. Robin's
influence
> > > is in other areas, definitely an important one in my life.
> > >
> > > If there's any reason you think why I should be wary of him -
please
> > > summarize so we can discuss it in a conventional way.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi
writes has a
> > > > Robin "feel".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
steve.sundur@wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > > > to anyone.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[doctordumbass]

Yeah, I remember doing that shit, the intellect leads the heart and its all 
justification, or the reverse, where the heart leads the intellect, and its all 
undifferentiated craziness. Hard to center the needle, except by not giving a 
fuck, keeping keenest discrimination, and letting life teach the lessons, in 
the moment, and learn grace, a face of sweat at a time.   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Grandpa Xeno only equivocates if it's Barry, Curtis or Share - when it's 
> someone like Robin he falls down, a rapid descent from Unity Consciousness to 
> Clam Consciousness - very dramatic LOL.
> 
> 
> On May 15, 2013, at 3:00 PM, doctordumbass@...  
> wrote:
> 
> > I can only repeat what I said before. You can equivocate to the moon, but 
> > it doesn't change his dynamic. Comes through loud, clear and often for me.
> > 
> > I also don't buy your, "He's only an asshole when you're looking", routine. 
> > Throughout my career as a hiring manager, I interviewed hundreds of people. 
> > I developed a saying from such interactions; "the micro is the macro". 
> > Meaning that one significant spot of dirt during the interview, would sure 
> > as shit turn into a mud wallow once the person was interviewed further, or 
> > god forbid, on the job.
> > 
> > You may rationalize all you want. I am simply evaluating my aggregate 
> > experience of Barry. One sad old fuck, that one.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it 
> > > it flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or 
> > > deflects. I think it would be difficult to judge based on his 
> > > interactions with the strange bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know 
> > > much about his non-posting private life. He has a job; he has friends, he 
> > > seems to like where he lives and works. Our personas here, while they may 
> > > reflect 'who we are' in some way, are probably largely fictional and 
> > > artificial compared to the way we act with real people, real time. This 
> > > is the place where we dump our monsters of the id. This place is the 
> > > toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take a dump once in a 
> > > while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It is called 
> > > reciprocity.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board.
> > > > 
> > > > Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to 
> > > > ask for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap 
> > > > him down. Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and 
> > > > the inevitable response. At least a slap indicates some sort of 
> > > > attention for him. One sad old fuck, that one.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, 
> > > > > other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted 
> > > > > here with a Knapp update some months back.
> > > > > 
> > > > > From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about 
> > > > > how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time 
> > > > > and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks 
> > > > > are part of the "Hate Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love 
> > > > > Brigade"?) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their 
> > > > > (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in 
> > > > > continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to 
> > > > > communicate with.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own 
> > > > > decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this 
> > > > > forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for 
> > > > > your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start 
> > > > > your own little forum cult?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic 
> > > > > accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on 
> > > > > yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with 
> > > > > and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them 
> > > > > unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? 
> > > > > It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you 
> > > > > don't. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy. Lately, much of what 
> > > > > > > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> > > > > 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Grandpa Xeno only equivocates if it's Barry, Curtis or Share - when it's 
someone like Robin he falls down, a rapid descent from Unity Consciousness to 
Clam Consciousness - very dramatic LOL.


On May 15, 2013, at 3:00 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
 wrote:

> I can only repeat what I said before. You can equivocate to the moon, but it 
> doesn't change his dynamic. Comes through loud, clear and often for me.
> 
> I also don't buy your, "He's only an asshole when you're looking", routine. 
> Throughout my career as a hiring manager, I interviewed hundreds of people. I 
> developed a saying from such interactions; "the micro is the macro". Meaning 
> that one significant spot of dirt during the interview, would sure as shit 
> turn into a mud wallow once the person was interviewed further, or god 
> forbid, on the job.
> 
> You may rationalize all you want. I am simply evaluating my aggregate 
> experience of Barry. One sad old fuck, that one.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it 
> > it flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or 
> > deflects. I think it would be difficult to judge based on his interactions 
> > with the strange bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know much about his 
> > non-posting private life. He has a job; he has friends, he seems to like 
> > where he lives and works. Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we 
> > are' in some way, are probably largely fictional and artificial compared to 
> > the way we act with real people, real time. This is the place where we dump 
> > our monsters of the id. This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry 
> > probably has to take a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly, 
> > to unload in kind. It is called reciprocity.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board.
> > > 
> > > Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask 
> > > for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him 
> > > down. Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the 
> > > inevitable response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for 
> > > him. One sad old fuck, that one.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, 
> > > > other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here 
> > > > with a Knapp update some months back.
> > > > 
> > > > From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about 
> > > > how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time 
> > > > and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are 
> > > > part of the "Hate Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love 
> > > > Brigade"?) 
> > > > 
> > > > Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their 
> > > > (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in 
> > > > continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to 
> > > > communicate with.
> > > > 
> > > > Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions 
> > > > regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From 
> > > > the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your 
> > > > advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own 
> > > > little forum cult?
> > > > 
> > > > I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. 
> > > > It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the 
> > > > pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What 
> > > > good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate 
> > > > with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more 
> > > > us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy. Lately, much of what 
> > > > > > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> > > > > 
> > > > > I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
> > > > > and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> > > > > used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> > > > > understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> > > > > have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
> > > > > class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
> > > > > Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
> > > > > cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> > > > > they take in 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

On May 15, 2013, at 2:49 PM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> What is the lesson we can take home here? Who's right here?
> 
> Well, for starters, asking someone who you regard as clueless to answer a 
> question would indicate that you do not know where to point your question.
> 

Did you watch Clueless? She grows up - tada !!!

> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[doctordumbass]

I can only repeat what I said before. You can equivocate to the moon, but it 
doesn't change his dynamic. Comes through loud, clear and often for me.

I also don't buy your, "He's only an asshole when you're looking", routine. 
Throughout my career as a hiring manager, I interviewed hundreds of people. I 
developed a saying from such interactions; "the micro is the macro". Meaning 
that one significant spot of dirt during the interview, would sure as shit turn 
into a mud wallow once the person was interviewed further, or god forbid, on 
the job.

You may rationalize all you want. I am simply evaluating my aggregate 
experience of Barry. One sad old fuck, that one.
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it it 
> flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or deflects. 
> I think it would be difficult to judge based on his interactions with the 
> strange bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know much about his non-posting 
> private life. He has a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives 
> and works. Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in some 
> way, are probably largely fictional and artificial compared to the way we act 
> with real people, real time. This is the place where we dump our monsters of 
> the id. This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take 
> a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It 
> is called reciprocity.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board.
> > 
> > Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask 
> > for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. 
> > Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable 
> > response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad 
> > old fuck, that one.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, 
> > > other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here 
> > > with a Knapp update some months back.
> > > 
> > > From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how 
> > > you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and 
> > > whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part 
> > > of the "Hate Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love Brigade"?) 
> > > 
> > > Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the 
> > > posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to 
> > > communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with.
> > > 
> > > Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions 
> > > regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the 
> > > bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your 
> > > advice/suggestions.  What's up with that? You trying to start your own 
> > > little forum cult?
> > > 
> > > I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It 
> > > seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the 
> > > pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What 
> > > good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate 
> > > with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more 
> > > us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what 
> > > > > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> > > > 
> > > > I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
> > > > and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> > > > used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> > > > understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> > > > have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
> > > > class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
> > > > Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
> > > > cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)
> > > > 
> > > > There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> > > > they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
> > > > replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
> > > > replying to. 
> > > > 
> > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
(snip)
> Perhaps this can be referred to as the "PR" period of FFL.

Let's hope we will always look back on it as the lowest point
in the history of FFL.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> >
> > Agree with what? A summary please.
>
> That you're sounding more and more like Robin.
>
> Watch it. They may be setting you up to be the next PR.

Judy,  first, congratulations.  You've stretched yourself pretty well on
bringing up anything about"PR".
Maybe the community can come up with a suitable replacement.  I think
we've pretty well milked the life out of this one.
Yes, there is the matter of the "apology", that you feel, you, or Robin,
or someone is entitled to and which must be stated in such a way to meet
certain criteria you have in mind.
I think that we have moved past this as well.
I don't think you are ready to really move past it altogether, but maybe
you can stretch yourself a little more, and before you know it, it will
truly be in the past, except maybe for ceremonial occasions.
Perhaps this can be referred to as the "PR" period of FFL.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
What is the lesson we can take home here? Who's right here?

Well, for starters, asking someone who you regard as clueless to answer a 
question would indicate that you do not know where to point your question.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

On May 15, 2013, at 1:32 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > Agree with what? A summary please.
> 
> That you're sounding more and more like Robin.
> 

Right - Steve has explained why he thinks he got the Robin feel, I wanted to 
hear Share say why she got the Robin feel, like Steve in a couple of lines at 
least rather than some vague, meaningless statement like "I agree". I'm very 
curious.
> 
> Watch it. They may be setting you up to be the next PR.
> 

Yes - that's a strong possibility, doesn't look like "they" at this point - 
only Share, she will find herself alone in that viewpoint.
> 
> > On May 15, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Share Long  wrote:
> > 
> > > I agree.
> > > 
> > > From: seventhray27 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:11 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a 
> > > Robin "feel".
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > > >
> > > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > > > 
> > > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > > to anyone.
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Oh Xeno you are so clueless to how you use inane platitudes to make up for your 
bias.

You think it's just a persona of Barry, that Barry is just acting? Why would he 
act in such a way that it shows him as the most emotionally, psychologically 
stunted poster here on FFL? If I were just acting, projecting a persona I 
wouldn't be a masochist hell bent on humiliating myself by projecting such a 
persona - a persona which points to a strong disability.

Case in point

Steve says I have an exceptional mind and am a very good writer.

I myself am quite confident and secure in the knowledge of having an 
exceptional mind and being a good writer.

So here comes Barry this morning - with his Ravi being narcissistic and a real 
bad writer. What do you make of it? What is his persona, his act here? What is 
the lesson we can take home here? Who's right here?



On May 15, 2013, at 1:40 PM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
wrote:

> Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it it 
> flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or deflects. 
> I think it would be difficult to judge based on his interactions with the 
> strange bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know much about his non-posting 
> private life. He has a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives 
> and works. Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in some 
> way, are probably largely fictional and artificial compared to the way we act 
> with real people, real time. This is the place where we dump our monsters of 
> the id. This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take 
> a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It 
> is called reciprocity.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
> >
> > Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board.
> > 
> > Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask 
> > for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. 
> > Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable 
> > response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad 
> > old fuck, that one.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, 
> > > other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here 
> > > with a Knapp update some months back.
> > > 
> > > From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how 
> > > you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and 
> > > whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part 
> > > of the "Hate Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love Brigade"?) 
> > > 
> > > Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the 
> > > posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to 
> > > communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with.
> > > 
> > > Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions 
> > > regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the 
> > > bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your 
> > > advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own 
> > > little forum cult?
> > > 
> > > I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It 
> > > seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the 
> > > pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What 
> > > good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate 
> > > with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more 
> > > us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy. Lately, much of what 
> > > > > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> > > > 
> > > > I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
> > > > and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> > > > used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> > > > understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> > > > have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
> > > > class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
> > > > Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
> > > > cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)
> > > > 
> > > > There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> > > > they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
> > > > replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
> > > > replying to. 
> > > > 
> > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it.
> > If you have it it flows out, and whatever it comes in contact
> > with either accepts or deflects. I think it would be difficult
> > to judge based on his interactions with the strange bunch that
> > we are on FFL.
> 
> It's not at all difficult, however, to judge his interactions
> with others on FFL.
> 
> > We do not know much about his non-posting private life. He has
> > a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives and
> > works.
> 
> OTOH, we also know that a significant percentage of what
> he posts on FFL is a highly distorted and even blatantly
> false reflection of reality. There's very little reason
> to accord him any credibility when he talks about his
> non-FFL life.
> 
> > Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in
> > some way, are probably largely fictional and artificial
> > compared to the way we act with real people, real time. This
> > is the place where we dump our monsters of the id.
> 
> Speak for yourself. In any case, what's being criticized is
> Barry's FFL persona.
> 
> > This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has
> > to take a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly,
> > to unload in kind. It is called reciprocity.
> 
> But it's not "once in a while," it's very frequently. And
> his dumps are bigger and smellier than anyone else's. Why
> would that be the case if he has such a satisfying non-FFL
> life?
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board.
> > > 
> > > Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask 
> > > for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him 
> > > down. Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the 
> > > inevitable response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for 
> > > him. One sad old fuck, that one.
>
When you leave this place, the probability that one may have contracted 
diarrhea from various causes here may force you to run back for relief.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it.
> If you have it it flows out, and whatever it comes in contact
> with either accepts or deflects. I think it would be difficult
> to judge based on his interactions with the strange bunch that
> we are on FFL.

It's not at all difficult, however, to judge his interactions
with others on FFL.

> We do not know much about his non-posting private life. He has
> a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives and
> works.

OTOH, we also know that a significant percentage of what
he posts on FFL is a highly distorted and even blatantly
false reflection of reality. There's very little reason
to accord him any credibility when he talks about his
non-FFL life.

> Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in
> some way, are probably largely fictional and artificial
> compared to the way we act with real people, real time. This
> is the place where we dump our monsters of the id.

Speak for yourself. In any case, what's being criticized is
Barry's FFL persona.

> This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has
> to take a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly,
> to unload in kind. It is called reciprocity.

But it's not "once in a while," it's very frequently. And
his dumps are bigger and smellier than anyone else's. Why
would that be the case if he has such a satisfying non-FFL
life?



> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board.
> > 
> > Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask 
> > for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. 
> > Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable 
> > response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad 
> > old fuck, that one.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it it 
flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or deflects. I 
think it would be difficult to judge based on his interactions with the strange 
bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know much about his non-posting private 
life. He has a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives and works. 
Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in some way, are 
probably largely fictional and artificial compared to the way we act with real 
people, real time. This is the place where we dump our monsters of the id. This 
place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take a dump once in 
a while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It is called 
reciprocity.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board.
> 
> Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask for 
> love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. Now he 
> can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable response. 
> At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad old fuck, 
> that one.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >
> > Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other 
> > than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a 
> > Knapp update some months back.
> > 
> > From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how 
> > you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom 
> > you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the 
> > "Hate Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love Brigade"?) 
> > 
> > Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the 
> > posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to 
> > communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with.
> > 
> > Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions 
> > regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the 
> > bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your 
> > advice/suggestions.  What's up with that? You trying to start your own 
> > little forum cult?
> > 
> > I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It 
> > seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the 
> > pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good 
> > is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, 
> > putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. 
> > Not that you care; I imagine you don't. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what 
> > > > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> > > 
> > > I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
> > > and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> > > used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> > > understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> > > have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
> > > class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
> > > Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
> > > cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)
> > > 
> > > There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> > > they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
> > > replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
> > > replying to. 
> > > 
> > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > > a target. 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > > > to anyone.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Agree with what? A summary please.

That you're sounding more and more like Robin.

Watch it. They may be setting you up to be the next PR.



 
> On May 15, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Share Long  wrote:
> 
> > I agree.
> > 
> > From: seventhray27 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:11 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> > 
> >  
> > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a 
> > Robin "feel".
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > 
> > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > >
> > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > > 
> > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > to anyone.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Agree with what? A summary please.

On May 15, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Share Long  wrote:

> I agree.
> 
> From: seventhray27 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:11 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> 
>  
> It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a 
> Robin "feel".
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ wrote:
> > >
> > 
> > > > Give me something Steve.
> > >
> > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > 
> > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > to anyone.
> >
> 
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Thanks Steve. This is fair enough that you think we are good writers, steadily, 
stealthily trying to ferret out the truth one's not willing to acknowledge. So 
I have nothing to be wary of Robin then - you made it seem something sinister 
by referring to Robin and I was afraid you were going to come up with one or 
more of the following - 

1) Ravi is a fundamentalist trying to use shame to control others (Share)
2) Ravi suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Barry)
3) Ravi is processing undirected anger to make up for his emptiness (Barry)
4) Ravi is indulging in incoherent rants (Curtis)
5) Ravi indulges in word-salad indicative of disassociation (Curtis)

You, my friend are in a very better shape than I imagined - clearly in a 
better, healthier frame of mind - emotionally, psychologically than Share, 
Barry and Curtis.

Anyway I officially have a diagnosis for you - "The Sports-fan Syndrome". I 
will get to that in your other email.


On May 15, 2013, at 5:11 AM, "seventhray27"  wrote:

> Hey Ravi, thanks for the question.  I think Robin is a good writer.  I think 
> you are good writer.  I mean it's remarkable what proficiency you have in a  
> language that is not your mother tongue.
> 
> But yes, I do perceive some Robin "creep"* in some of the expressions you 
> use, but more importantly, in your overall philosophy.  You know, this 
> notion, this perceived ability to ferret out the truth of what a person may 
> be unwilling to acknowledge.   This ability to know if what they are saying 
> is properly aligned with reality.
> 
> * "creep" in verb sense, not adjective sense.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > What does this really mean Steve - clearly it's an honor to be compared to
> > Robin, especially if it is in his writing style but then we will always be
> > very different in our writing styles and I will never be emulate him in his
> > writing. You are out of your mind to even suggest that. Robin's influence
> > is in other areas, definitely an important one in my life.
> > 
> > If there's any reason you think why I should be wary of him - please
> > summarize so we can discuss it in a conventional way.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a
> > > Robin "feel".
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > > >
> > > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > > >
> > > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > > to anyone.
> > > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[doctordumbass]

Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board.

Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask for 
love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. Now he 
can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable response. At 
least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad old fuck, that 
one.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other 
> than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a 
> Knapp update some months back.
> 
> From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you 
> do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you 
> feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the "Hate 
> Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love Brigade"?) 
> 
> Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the 
> posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to 
> communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with.
> 
> Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions 
> regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit 
> I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions.  
> What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult?
> 
> I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It 
> seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the 
> pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is 
> it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting 
> yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that 
> you care; I imagine you don't. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > >
> > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what 
> > > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> > 
> > I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
> > and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> > used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> > understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> > have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
> > class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
> > Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
> > cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)
> > 
> > There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> > they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
> > replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
> > replying to. 
> > 
> > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > a target. 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > > >
> > > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > > >
> > > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > > to anyone.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > a target.
>
> I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions.  So
I
> guess I'm a pretty guilty party.

You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-)
If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means
continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago.

> BTW, neat story about your current working assignment.

It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for
those (few) who might be interested:

IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award

IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award
for Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information
Industry Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the
software and digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a
prestigious honor as winners are reviewed and chosen by software
industry executives and SIIA member votes.

http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Carol]

Oh my! He responded! ;D

Thank you Barry. I plan to have good day. You too. 

*

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >
> > PS: I imagine Barry, since you most likely won't respond 
> > to me directly and if my limited forum observations are 
> > correct and if you choose to address anything I stated, 
> > you will do so in an indirect manner with a new topic 
> > and without naming names. 
> 
> Nonsense. I will ignore it -- and you -- completely.
> Have a nice day.  :-)
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, 
> > > other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here 
> > > with a Knapp update some months back.
> > > 
> > > From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how 
> > > you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and 
> > > whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part 
> > > of the "Hate Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love Brigade"?) 
> > > 
> > > Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the 
> > > posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to 
> > > communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with.
> > > 
> > > Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions 
> > > regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the 
> > > bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your 
> > > advice/suggestions.  What's up with that? You trying to start your own 
> > > little forum cult?
> > > 
> > > I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It 
> > > seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the 
> > > pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What 
> > > good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate 
> > > with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more 
> > > us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what 
> > > > > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> > > > 
> > > > I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
> > > > and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> > > > used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> > > > understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> > > > have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
> > > > class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
> > > > Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
> > > > cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)
> > > > 
> > > > There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> > > > they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
> > > > replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
> > > > replying to. 
> > > > 
> > > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > > > a target. 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > > > > to anyone.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> PS: I imagine Barry, since you most likely won't respond 
> to me directly and if my limited forum observations are 
> correct and if you choose to address anything I stated, 
> you will do so in an indirect manner with a new topic 
> and without naming names. 

Nonsense. I will ignore it -- and you -- completely.
Have a nice day.  :-)

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >
> > Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other 
> > than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a 
> > Knapp update some months back.
> > 
> > From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how 
> > you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom 
> > you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the 
> > "Hate Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love Brigade"?) 
> > 
> > Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the 
> > posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to 
> > communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with.
> > 
> > Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions 
> > regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the 
> > bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your 
> > advice/suggestions.  What's up with that? You trying to start your own 
> > little forum cult?
> > 
> > I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It 
> > seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the 
> > pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good 
> > is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, 
> > putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. 
> > Not that you care; I imagine you don't. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what 
> > > > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> > > 
> > > I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
> > > and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> > > used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> > > understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> > > have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
> > > class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
> > > Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
> > > cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)
> > > 
> > > There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> > > they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
> > > replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
> > > replying to. 
> > > 
> > > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > > a target. 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > > > to anyone.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Carol]

I enjoyed this explanation Xeno. Well stated about having a description for 
something previously unknown to a person so one can at least have a hand hold, 
so to speak. From there the person can get their balance. Perhaps they will 
decide later that the hand hold (the descriptions) are not definitively 
applicable to their experience, but the descriptions at least provided aid.  

I do not always grasp what people are talking about when they state they (or 
others) are enlightened. To me, it is still a nebulous term. I kind of think 
that whatever state we are in, therein we are. If we are aware of that, we are 
enlightened because we are aware of the moment. I realize that probably isn't a 
definition of enlightenment, but it works for me...at the moment.
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>  
> > We all understand what it means to say everyone is
> > enlightened, Xeno. As true as it may be on one level,
> > some of us think it's unhelpful and counterproductive,
> > even obfuscatory, when used in an exchange like that
> > quoted above. [post #343925]
> >
> 
> As you present this Judy, yes. But it is not ultimately unhelpful. 
> 
> These kinds of statements have a purpose. They program the mind so that when 
> awakening finally occurs, the mind has something to hold on to; gives it an 
> anchor. Some people are very disoriented upon waking up because the character 
> of the experience is so different from what they expected, from what they had 
> been led to believe or what they made of what was said about it (in a 
> reasonably decent tradition, it would be the latter). 
> 
> In the meantime the somewhat cryptic and seemingly irrational nature of the 
> statement can provoke a curiosity in some to just ponder what it might mean 
> because obviously the mind can only formulate an intellectual picture based 
> on imagination. This kind of pondering, contemplative thinking can also push 
> the mind to expand. Contemplative thinking seems to be less evident in the TM 
> tradition than in some others. It comes to some people more naturally than 
> others.
> 
> So these kinds of statements, such as Maharishi saying 'in unity 
> consciousness nothing ever happened', or the statement 'you are already 
> enlightened', or 'if you do not see the way, you do not see it even if you 
> walk on it' (this is from the Sandokai, a foundational poem for Zen 
> Buddhism), kind of lie dormant, but they come to life when the individual 
> wakes up out of their individuality. Then the mind can say 'oh, that's what 
> that meant', and the disorientation that could have happened instead becomes 
> recognition.
> 
> I wasn't trying to bamboozle Nabby. Nabby and everyone else has the full 
> value of being inside, outside, through and through. We could not discover it 
> if it were not. The only difference is if you think it is something other 
> than what you are experiencing as ordinary everyday experience, something you 
> have to look for, you do not see it.
> 
> All the practices we do are just to get the mind to stop dead and give up 
> looking. It is so odd it can take such a long time to come to a truly 
> persistent standstill.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what 
> > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> 
> I can certainly see that. 

No you don't because you claim you don't read Robin or Ravi or any other 
rabble-poster here, you can't fool us BB.

Now, for the analysis that we are all waiting, ecstatically, for:

>There is the same narcissism,
> and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
> class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
> Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
> cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)

Thank you for that Barry. Now, anyone else an expert on narcissism, bad writing 
and repetition? No one can demonstrate any of these qualities clearer than 
Barry while at the same time claiming they belong to everyone else. We love you 
Barry Wright!
> 
> There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
> replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
> replying to. 

Do you believe there to be a fundamental difference between replying (being 
responsive) to these cretins and merely writing about them every day? 
Personally I think there is a big difference; the 'responder' at least 
possesses a modicum of backbone.
> 
> These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> a target. 

Targets, targets everywhere. What's a body to do? So many targets so few darts, 
so little time.
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > >
> > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > >
> > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > to anyone.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Carol]

PS: I imagine Barry, since you most likely won't respond to me directly and if 
my limited forum observations are correct and if you choose to address anything 
I stated, you will do so in an indirect manner with a new topic and without 
naming names. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other 
> than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a 
> Knapp update some months back.
> 
> From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you 
> do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you 
> feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the "Hate 
> Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love Brigade"?) 
> 
> Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the 
> posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to 
> communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with.
> 
> Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions 
> regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit 
> I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions.  
> What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult?
> 
> I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It 
> seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the 
> pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is 
> it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting 
> yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that 
> you care; I imagine you don't. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > >
> > > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what 
> > > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> > 
> > I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
> > and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> > used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> > understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> > have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
> > class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
> > Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
> > cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)
> > 
> > There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> > they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
> > replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
> > replying to. 
> > 
> > These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> > Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> > bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> > might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> > and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> > a target. 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > > >
> > > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > > >
> > > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > > to anyone.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Carol]

Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other 
than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp 
update some months back.

>From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you 
>do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you 
>feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the "Hate 
>Brigade." (Does make others part of the "Love Brigade"?) 

Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the 
posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to 
communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with.

Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions 
regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit 
I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions.  
What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult?

I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems 
to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of 
who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize 
others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some 
higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine 
you don't. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what 
> > Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".
> 
> I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
> and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
> used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
> understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
> have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
> class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
> Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
> cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)
> 
> There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
> they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
> replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
> replying to. 
> 
> These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> a target. 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > >
> > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > >
> > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > to anyone.
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Share Long]

I agree.




 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:11 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
 


  
It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin 
"feel".

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ wrote:
> >
> 
> > > Give me something Steve.
> >
> > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> 
> Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> to anyone.
>

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
> Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
> bother even trying to interact with them as if they
> might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
> and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
> a target.


I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions.  So I
guess I'm a pretty guilty party.

BTW, neat story about your current working assignment.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

Hey Ravi, thanks for the question.  I think Robin is a good writer.  I
think you are good writer.  I mean it's remarkable what proficiency you
have in a  language that is not your mother tongue.

But yes, I do perceive some Robin "creep"* in some of the expressions
you use, but more importantly, in your overall philosophy.  You know,
this notion, this perceived ability to ferret out the truth of what a
person may be unwilling to acknowledge.   This ability to know if what
they are saying is properly aligned with reality.

* "creep" in verb sense, not adjective sense.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>
> What does this really mean Steve - clearly it's an honor to be
compared to
> Robin, especially if it is in his writing style but then we will
always be
> very different in our writing styles and I will never be emulate him
in his
> writing. You are out of your mind to even suggest that. Robin's
influence
> is in other areas, definitely an important one in my life.
>
> If there's any reason you think why I should be wary of him - please
> summarize so we can discuss it in a conventional way.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes
has a
> > Robin "feel".
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
steve.sundur@wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > >
> > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > >
> > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > to anyone.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:

> I have run out of steam Steve. Unless you have something more - this
is
> just once again confirmations of your patterns.

Sure.  No problem Ravi.  You have revealed, in true engineer fashion
below, your template for discussion here.  I mean, it is nothing new. 
It is how you interact here, and most every other forum in which you
have participated.  It is not really conducive to any type of mutual
relationship which is sort of evident in your case.

It seems like the significant other in your life is Devi, and may I say,
that is no surprise.  She knows you and understands you, and is able to
cater to your every need.  We all should be so lucky.

Carry on Master Ravi!   There are truths to be proclaimed, and frauds to
be revealed, and you are self proclaimed yogi to do it!



> > > > > > > >>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343429
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Yes - I have a special ability, insight into judging
people.
> > Even
> > > > > > > >> electronic medium is no barrier. An intuition right
from my
> > > > > > childhood. It's
> > > > > > > >> untainted by any intellectual process - so powerful is
my
> > > > intuition
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> rarely does it go wrong. If I come after you, you bet
your
> > > > retarded
> > > > > > ass it
> > > > > > > >> will stick, if not I will bend over backwards to
apologize.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what 
> Ravi writes has a Robin "feel".

I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism,
and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases
used by other people and parrot them as if they actually
understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 
class, while having skipped the How To Write Something 
Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke 
cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-)

There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that
they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep
replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth
replying to. 

These days, Steve, you're pretty much "It" for the Hate
Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will
bother even trying to interact with them as if they
might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous
and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you
a target. 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> >
> > > > Give me something Steve.
> > >
> > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> >
> > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > to anyone.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

What does this really mean Steve - clearly it's an honor to be compared to
Robin, especially if it is in his writing style but then we will always be
very different in our writing styles and I will never be emulate him in his
writing. You are out of your mind to even suggest that. Robin's influence
is in other areas, definitely an important one in my life.

If there's any reason you think why I should be wary of him - please
summarize so we can discuss it in a conventional way.



On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM, seventhray27 wrote:

> **
>
>
> It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a
> Robin "feel".
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > > Give me something Steve.
> > >
> > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> >
> > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > to anyone.
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

"​Ravi, I'll ignore the strange way you've framed things here, and respond
in a more straightforward way."

No it wasn't a strange way, it was an Engineer's approach, to neatly
summarize - looking back a brilliant move. Because it shows how clueless
and unaware you are to your own very words. Fits in with my Steve =
careless, frivolous, reactive poster, a man blind to his inconsistencies.
More of it below.

"​Although I can't recall the details of those apologies" "​The problem is
that some point I sort of stopped paying attention to those accusations."

Same pattern - careless, reactive - no accusation here Steve.

"​It is always refreshing when you engage as just an equal participant. "
yet..further down "​ But I think you have such a high opinion of yourself
that you find it difficult to interact in a more conventional way."

Inconsistent - I cannot both engage as an equal participant yet fail to
demonstrate an ability to interact in a conventional way.

More..

​"​I resonate with much of what Share writes.  Is that a problem for you?
 Obviously Share is one of your favorite targets to castigate.   If I
disagree with what you write, I will say so.  Pretty simple really."

Yes - read again I said - you have every right to support her. But it's
nothing rational, nothing intelligent - blind loyalty, careless, frivolous,
reactive posts, slandering and distorting/perverting truth in this blind
loyalty.

I have run out of steam Steve. Unless you have something more - this is
just once again confirmations of your patterns.



On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:58 PM, seventhray27 wrote:

> **
>
>
> Ravi, I'll ignore the strange way you've framed things here, and respond
> in a more straightforward way.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > Hilarious Steve - let's see what you got
> >
> > "Ravi doesn't discuss, indulges in back and forth"
> It is always refreshing when you engage as just an equal participant.
> But I get the feeling that you find that constitutionally offensive.  You
> simply believe that your perspective is more correct, and you express that
> opinion in harsh terms.  No problem, but expect pushback.
>
>  > Well duh, that's what I am doing - am I not? Are you so clueless to
> what we
> > are doing here. You, OTOH - are not discussing, just reacting blindly
> > clueless to your inconsistencies here/
> Yes, you are doing that here.  And this other is one of the usual
> accusations you make against me.  The problem is that some point I sort of
> stopped paying attention to those accusations.  I am sorry about that.  I'd
> like to think that I am  open to constructive criticisms, but I
> have to feel as thought they are coming from a place of credibility.
>
>  > "Ravi's personality hasn't changed - many would disagree"
> >
> > Please be my guest and provide your analysis, something other than Ravi
> > insults and is crazy.
> I don't believe I ever said you were crazy.  In fact, I don't believe
> that.  I think you have an exceptional mind.  But I think you have such a
> high opinion of yourself that you find it difficult to interact in a more
> conventional way. (read: without a lot of insults)
> > "Ravi doesn't have any special insight about me"
> >
> > Provide your arguments against it - why are you not loyal, why your posts
> > are not careless, frivolous, reactive - why you don't blindly support
> Share.
> I resonate with much of what Share writes.  Is that a problem for you?
>  Obviously Share is one of your favorite targets to castigate.   If I
> disagree with what you write, I will say so.  Pretty simple really.
>
>
> > "Ravi is arbiter of truth"
> >
> > I said you are loyal - you don't disagree. I said you make frivolous,
> > careless, reactive posts - you didn't disagree. I said you are within
> your
> > rights to support Share but don't pretend you have anything intelligent
> in
> > her defense - you didn't disagree.
> Those are your opinions.  Nothing wrong with that.  Why would I feel the
> need to defend my position on those things.  Call it the way you see it.
>
>  > "Ravi has never apologized to anyone"
> >
> > OMFG - I just apologized to you last week. I felt bad at the torrent of
> my
> > insults, I said - Steve, I'm sorry I was so harsh on you. I apologized to
> > Raunchy, Alex in the past, I apologized/felt bad for my behavior against
> > Robin, Bob Price. I analyze my behavior always - it's just a fantasy of
> > yours
> Well, yes you have apologized in the past.  Although I can't recall the
> details of those apologies.  Apologies can be of different degrees.  Your
> apology to me last week, was not what I would call an apology.  But if
> that's what you want to call it, fine.
>
>  > You have nothing Steve - nothing as of yet.
> >
> > Give me something Steve.
> You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.  It never really led
> to anything, except more soliloquy from Robin.  So, I may take a pass on
> that.
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:35 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

Do I have to sit in the corner with a dunce cap on?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> Like Ravi, Robin tried a few times to get you to make
> some sensible comments, if that's what you mean. He
> gave up. I've given up. Ravi still has hope, it seems.
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes
has
> > a Robin "feel".
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Give me something Steve.
> > > >
> > > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> > >
> > > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > > to anyone.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

I'm all wet and I'm fat?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ah, the Judy we know and love. Well done, my dear.
> I'm sorry Steve, but I just couldn't resist - for two reasons:
>
> [Laughing Elephant Sprays a Man Riding It]
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, no, Steve, you see, I'm going by what they've said
> > > in their posts.
> > >
> > > Helpful hint: Nobody would care much about your near-
> > > total lack of insight and discernment if you weren't
> > > so stupidly obnoxious about it. You didn't *use* to be
> > > some years back (obnoxious about it, that is). These
> > > days you seem driven to make sure everyone is all too
> > > aware of your deficiencies.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well yes, Judy, you are included in that group of individuals
who
> > know
> > > > what is going on in another persons mind better than they do.
So,
> I
> > > > applaud your coming to the fore on that.
> > > >
> > > > And really, it is always fun to see you play that card after you
> > have
> > > > exhausted every other rational argument, and come out on the
> losing
> > end.
> > > >
> > > > At least you play that card at the end of an argument as opposed
> to
> > the
> > > > beginning.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
> steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > And yes, the similarities to Robin are evident.
> > > > >
> > > > > Um, no, Steve. Other than their opinion of you, that is.
> > > > > But then you'd have to include me as well, and possibly
> > > > > others.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Ah, the Judy we know and love.  Well done, my dear.
> > I'm sorry Steve, but I just couldn't resist - for two reasons:
> 
> LOVE it--for at least two reasons.

Yes Judy, "love" and "reason" are reason enough.
> 
> 
> > 
> >   [Laughing Elephant Sprays a Man Riding It]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, no, Steve, you see, I'm going by what they've said
> > > > in their posts.
> > > >
> > > > Helpful hint: Nobody would care much about your near-
> > > > total lack of insight and discernment if you weren't
> > > > so stupidly obnoxious about it. You didn't *use* to be
> > > > some years back (obnoxious about it, that is). These
> > > > days you seem driven to make sure everyone is all too
> > > > aware of your deficiencies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well yes, Judy, you are included in that group of individuals who
> > > know
> > > > > what is going on in another persons mind better than they do. So,
> > I
> > > > > applaud your coming to the fore on that.
> > > > >
> > > > > And really, it is always fun to see you play that card after you
> > > have
> > > > > exhausted every other rational argument, and come out on the
> > losing
> > > end.
> > > > >
> > > > > At least you play that card at the end of an argument as opposed
> > to
> > > the
> > > > > beginning.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
> > steve.sundur@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > And yes, the similarities to Robin are evident.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Um, no, Steve. Other than their opinion of you, that is.
> > > > > > But then you'd have to include me as well, and possibly
> > > > > > others.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ah, the Judy we know and love.  Well done, my dear.
> I'm sorry Steve, but I just couldn't resist - for two reasons:

LOVE it--for at least two reasons.


> 
>   [Laughing Elephant Sprays a Man Riding It]
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, no, Steve, you see, I'm going by what they've said
> > > in their posts.
> > >
> > > Helpful hint: Nobody would care much about your near-
> > > total lack of insight and discernment if you weren't
> > > so stupidly obnoxious about it. You didn't *use* to be
> > > some years back (obnoxious about it, that is). These
> > > days you seem driven to make sure everyone is all too
> > > aware of your deficiencies.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well yes, Judy, you are included in that group of individuals who
> > know
> > > > what is going on in another persons mind better than they do. So,
> I
> > > > applaud your coming to the fore on that.
> > > >
> > > > And really, it is always fun to see you play that card after you
> > have
> > > > exhausted every other rational argument, and come out on the
> losing
> > end.
> > > >
> > > > At least you play that card at the end of an argument as opposed
> to
> > the
> > > > beginning.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
> steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > And yes, the similarities to Robin are evident.
> > > > >
> > > > > Um, no, Steve. Other than their opinion of you, that is.
> > > > > But then you'd have to include me as well, and possibly
> > > > > others.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

Like Ravi, Robin tried a few times to get you to make
some sensible comments, if that's what you mean. He
gave up. I've given up. Ravi still has hope, it seems.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what Ravi writes has
> a Robin "feel".
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > > Give me something Steve.
> > >
> > > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
> >
> > Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> > to anyone.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
>
> Ah, the Judy we know and love.  Well done, my dear.
I'm sorry Steve, but I just couldn't resist - for two reasons:

  [Laughing Elephant Sprays a Man Riding It]



>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > Well, no, Steve, you see, I'm going by what they've said
> > in their posts.
> >
> > Helpful hint: Nobody would care much about your near-
> > total lack of insight and discernment if you weren't
> > so stupidly obnoxious about it. You didn't *use* to be
> > some years back (obnoxious about it, that is). These
> > days you seem driven to make sure everyone is all too
> > aware of your deficiencies.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Well yes, Judy, you are included in that group of individuals who
> know
> > > what is going on in another persons mind better than they do. So,
I
> > > applaud your coming to the fore on that.
> > >
> > > And really, it is always fun to see you play that card after you
> have
> > > exhausted every other rational argument, and come out on the
losing
> end.
> > >
> > > At least you play that card at the end of an argument as opposed
to
> the
> > > beginning.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"
steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > And yes, the similarities to Robin are evident.
> > > >
> > > > Um, no, Steve. Other than their opinion of you, that is.
> > > > But then you'd have to include me as well, and possibly
> > > > others.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

It had a Robin "feel" to me Judy.  Lately, much of what Ravi writes has
a Robin "feel".


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
>
> > > Give me something Steve.
> >
> > You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.
>
> Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
> to anyone.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>

> > Give me something Steve.
>
> You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.

Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase,
to anyone.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

Ah, the Judy we know and love.  Well done, my dear.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> Well, no, Steve, you see, I'm going by what they've said
> in their posts.
>
> Helpful hint: Nobody would care much about your near-
> total lack of insight and discernment if you weren't
> so stupidly obnoxious about it. You didn't *use* to be
> some years back (obnoxious about it, that is). These
> days you seem driven to make sure everyone is all too
> aware of your deficiencies.
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well yes, Judy, you are included in that group of individuals who
know
> > what is going on in another persons mind better than they do. So, I
> > applaud your coming to the fore on that.
> >
> > And really, it is always fun to see you play that card after you
have
> > exhausted every other rational argument, and come out on the losing
end.
> >
> > At least you play that card at the end of an argument as opposed to
the
> > beginning.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > > And yes, the similarities to Robin are evident.
> > >
> > > Um, no, Steve. Other than their opinion of you, that is.
> > > But then you'd have to include me as well, and possibly
> > > others.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

Ravi, I'll ignore the strange way you've framed things here, and respond
in a more straightforward way.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>
> Hilarious Steve - let's see what you got
>
> "Ravi doesn't discuss, indulges in back and forth"
It is always refreshing when you engage as just an equal participant. 
But I get the feeling that you find that constitutionally offensive. 
You simply believe that your perspective is more correct, and you
express that opinion in harsh terms.  No problem, but expect pushback.

  > Well duh, that's what I am doing - am I not? Are you so clueless to
what we
> are doing here. You, OTOH - are not discussing, just reacting blindly
> clueless to your inconsistencies here/
Yes, you are doing that here.  And this other is one of the usual
accusations you make against me.  The problem is that some point I sort
of stopped paying attention to those accusations.  I am sorry about
that.  I'd like to think that I am  open to constructive criticisms, but
I have to feel as thought they are coming from a place of credibility.

  > "Ravi's personality hasn't changed - many would disagree"
>
> Please be my guest and provide your analysis, something other than
Ravi
> insults and is crazy.
I don't believe I ever said you were crazy.  In fact, I don't believe
that.  I think you have an exceptional mind.  But I think you have such
a high opinion of yourself that you find it difficult to interact in a
more conventional way. (read: without a lot of insults)
> "Ravi doesn't have any special insight about me"
>
> Provide your arguments against it - why are you not loyal, why your
posts
> are not careless, frivolous, reactive - why you don't blindly support
Share.
I resonate with much of what Share writes.  Is that a problem for you? 
Obviously Share is one of your favorite targets to castigate.   If I
disagree with what you write, I will say so.  Pretty simple really.


> "Ravi is arbiter of truth"
>
> I said you are loyal - you don't disagree. I said you make frivolous,
> careless, reactive posts - you didn't disagree. I said you are within
your
> rights to support Share but don't pretend you have anything
intelligent in
> her defense - you didn't disagree.
Those are your opinions.  Nothing wrong with that.  Why would I feel the
need to defend my position on those things.  Call it the way you see it.

  > "Ravi has never apologized to anyone"
>
> OMFG - I just apologized to you last week. I felt bad at the torrent
of my
> insults, I said - Steve, I'm sorry I was so harsh on you. I apologized
to
> Raunchy, Alex in the past, I apologized/felt bad for my behavior
against
> Robin, Bob Price. I analyze my behavior always - it's just a fantasy
of
> yours
Well, yes you have apologized in the past.  Although I can't recall the
details of those apologies.  Apologies can be of different degrees. 
Your apology to me last week, was not what I would call an apology.  But
if that's what you want to call it, fine.

  > You have nothing Steve - nothing as of yet.
>
> Give me something Steve.
You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain.  It never really
led to anything, except more soliloquy from Robin.  So, I may take a
pass on that.
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:35 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > well, finally you got around to me. let me make a few comments,
before I
> > get to a closing statement.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > >
> > > It's official Steve - when asked to contribute something
intelligent,
> > > rational you revert to your default coping strategy of deflecting
it by
> > > trying to present a distorted, contorted, and/or ludicrous version
of the
> > > truth.
> > will have to wait for closing statement
> >
> >
> > > Like the RaviGuru, Western Yogi words of mine - devoid of the
context,
> > the
> > > intent and the consciousness of the person making it. I have
already
> > > explained it to you in the past, in detail - this is from 3 years
back
> > for
> > > god's sake and I was fucking intoxicated, my very first time
absolutely
> > > drunk and unlike your stunted personality, I am a dramatically
different
> > > person today - emotionally, psychologically.
> >
> > glad to hear it Ravi. on the other hand, that view of yourself may
not be
> > shared by others. but good enough that you feel that way. I guess?
> >
> > I understand who I am, what my
> > > qualities are, my strengths are - what my vision, philosophy is,
which
> > you
> > > in your present moronic consciousness are unable to see or
acknowledge.
> > right, I think this is an ongoing difficulty. i.e. others not
> > appreciating your greatness
> >
> >
> > > Now coming to you - you are still the same old person. I have
repeatedly
> > > pointed out the frivolous, careless, reactive posts of yours - all
I get
> > is
> > > silence. Repeatedly answered your slander, distortions, ludicrous
twists
> > of
> > > truth and you occasionally show so

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

Well, no, Steve, you see, I'm going by what they've said
in their posts.

Helpful hint: Nobody would care much about your near-
total lack of insight and discernment if you weren't
so stupidly obnoxious about it. You didn't *use* to be
some years back (obnoxious about it, that is). These
days you seem driven to make sure everyone is all too
aware of your deficiencies.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> Well yes, Judy, you are included in that group of individuals who know
> what is going on in another persons mind better than they do.  So, I
> applaud your coming to the fore on that.
> 
> And really, it is always fun to see you play that card after you have
> exhausted every other rational argument, and come out on the losing end.
> 
> At least you play that card at the end of an argument as opposed to the
> beginning.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > And yes, the similarities to Robin are evident.
> >
> > Um, no, Steve. Other than their opinion of you, that is.
> > But then you'd have to include me as well, and possibly
> > others.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Hilarious Steve - let's see what you got

"Ravi doesn't discuss, indulges in back and forth"

Well duh, that's what I am doing - am I not? Are you so clueless to what we
are doing here. You, OTOH - are not discussing, just reacting blindly
clueless to your inconsistencies here/

"Ravi's personality hasn't changed - many would disagree"

Please be my guest and provide your analysis, something other than Ravi
insults and is crazy.

"Ravi doesn't have any special insight about me"

Provide your arguments against it - why are you not loyal, why your posts
are not careless, frivolous, reactive - why you don't blindly support Share.

"Ravi is arbiter of truth"

I said you are loyal - you don't disagree. I said you make frivolous,
careless, reactive posts - you didn't disagree. I said you are within your
rights to support Share but don't pretend you have anything intelligent in
her defense - you didn't disagree.

"Ravi has never apologized to anyone"

OMFG - I just apologized to you last week. I felt bad at the torrent of my
insults, I said - Steve, I'm sorry I was so harsh on you. I apologized to
Raunchy, Alex in the past, I apologized/felt bad for my behavior against
Robin, Bob Price. I analyze my behavior always - it's just a fantasy of
yours

You have nothing Steve - nothing as of yet.

Give me something Steve.



On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:35 PM, seventhray27 wrote:

> **
>
>
> well, finally you got around to me.  let me make a few comments, before I
> get to a closing statement.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > It's official Steve - when asked to contribute something intelligent,
> > rational you revert to your default coping strategy of deflecting it by
> > trying to present a distorted, contorted, and/or ludicrous version of the
> > truth.
> will have to wait for closing statement
>
>
> > Like the RaviGuru, Western Yogi words of mine - devoid of the context,
> the
> > intent and the consciousness of the person making it. I have already
> > explained it to you in the past, in detail - this is from 3 years back
> for
> > god's sake and I was fucking intoxicated, my very first time absolutely
> > drunk and unlike your stunted personality, I am a dramatically different
> > person today - emotionally, psychologically.
>
> glad to hear it Ravi.  on the other hand, that view of yourself may not be
> shared by others.  but good enough that you feel that way. I guess?
>
> I understand who I am, what my
> > qualities are, my strengths are - what my vision, philosophy is, which
> you
> > in your present moronic consciousness are unable to see or acknowledge.
> right, I think this is an ongoing difficulty.  i.e. others not
> appreciating your greatness
>
>
> > Now coming to you - you are still the same old person. I have repeatedly
> > pointed out the frivolous, careless, reactive posts of yours - all I get
> is
> > silence. Repeatedly answered your slander, distortions, ludicrous twists
> of
> > truth and you occasionally show some remorse.
> you have at least presented some explanation for some of your actions.
> people can draw their own conclusions about what it indicates about your
> personality.
>
>  > This is what Share said - Ravi is a fundamentalist who uses shame to
> > control. I was asking you to comment on that and how my response was
> > negative and perfunctory. A short summary will do.
> I don't know if it's shame or ridicule you employ in attacking those you
> disagree with.  I don't think it really matters.
>
> But let me cut to a closing summary.  You have laid out the ground rules
> for your interactions here.
>
> First, that you have a unique and special ability to ferret out the truth
> of what a person is saying, or the truth about most any situation.  You
> discovered this ability as a child, and it provides a nearly flawless
> background from which you make conclusions about people or things.  In fact
> this ability is so remarkable, that it happens without you even being aware
> of it.  There may be a situation where you error, and in such a case you
> will apologize.  In practice we haven't really seen this.
>
> So basically, what you are saying is that one must accept your judgment of
> them, i.e. whomever you might be addressing as being an infallible
> evaluation.  In other words you really are RaviGuru, the great,
> unrecognized western yogi.  I really see no difference between then and
> now.  But good that you see a difference.
>
> And yes, the similarities to Robin are evident.  Not surprising that you
> hold Robin in such esteem.
>
>
> > Or you can just say hey I plan to stick with Share come what may and
> that's
> > fine. It's not like I haven't commented on your loyalty. I personally
> would
> > hate anyone being loyal to me at the expense of truth - but whatever
> rocks
> > your boat. Loyalty is fine in sports not so in life, not at the expense
> of
> > truth anyway.
> And it goes without saying that you are the final arbiter of truth.  This

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

Well yes, Judy, you are included in that group of individuals who know
what is going on in another persons mind better than they do.  So, I
applaud your coming to the fore on that.

And really, it is always fun to see you play that card after you have
exhausted every other rational argument, and come out on the losing end.

At least you play that card at the end of an argument as opposed to the
beginning.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> (snip)
> > And yes, the similarities to Robin are evident.
>
> Um, no, Steve. Other than their opinion of you, that is.
> But then you'd have to include me as well, and possibly
> others.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
(snip)
> And yes, the similarities to Robin are evident.

Um, no, Steve. Other than their opinion of you, that is.
But then you'd have to include me as well, and possibly
others.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

well, finally you got around to me.  let me make a few comments, before
I get to a closing statement.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>
> It's official Steve - when asked to contribute something intelligent,
> rational you revert to your default coping strategy of deflecting it
by
> trying to present a distorted, contorted, and/or ludicrous version of
the
> truth.
will have to wait for closing statement


> Like the RaviGuru, Western Yogi words of mine - devoid of the context,
the
> intent and the consciousness of the person making it. I have already
> explained it to you in the past, in detail - this is from 3 years back
for
> god's sake and I was fucking intoxicated, my very first time
absolutely
> drunk and unlike your stunted personality, I am a dramatically
different
> person today - emotionally, psychologically.

glad to hear it Ravi.  on the other hand, that view of yourself may not
be shared by others.  but good enough that you feel that way. I guess?

I understand who I am, what my
> qualities are, my strengths are - what my vision, philosophy is, which
you
> in your present moronic consciousness are unable to see or
acknowledge.
right, I think this is an ongoing difficulty.  i.e. others not
appreciating your greatness


> Now coming to you - you are still the same old person. I have
repeatedly
> pointed out the frivolous, careless, reactive posts of yours - all I
get is
> silence. Repeatedly answered your slander, distortions, ludicrous
twists of
> truth and you occasionally show some remorse.
you have at least presented some explanation for some of your actions. 
people can draw their own conclusions about what it indicates about your
personality.

  > This is what Share said - Ravi is a fundamentalist who uses shame to
> control. I was asking you to comment on that and how my response was
> negative and perfunctory. A short summary will do.
I don't know if it's shame or ridicule you employ in attacking those you
disagree with.  I don't think it really matters.

But let me cut to a closing summary.  You have laid out the ground rules
for your interactions here.

First, that you have a unique and special ability to ferret out the
truth of what a person is saying, or the truth about most any situation.
You discovered this ability as a child, and it provides a nearly
flawless background from which you make conclusions about people or
things.  In fact this ability is so remarkable, that it happens without
you even being aware of it.  There may be a situation where you error,
and in such a case you will apologize.  In practice we haven't really
seen this.

So basically, what you are saying is that one must accept your judgment
of them, i.e. whomever you might be addressing as being an infallible
evaluation.  In other words you really are RaviGuru, the great,
unrecognized western yogi.  I really see no difference between then and
now.  But good that you see a difference.

And yes, the similarities to Robin are evident.  Not surprising that you
hold Robin in such esteem.


> Or you can just say hey I plan to stick with Share come what may and
that's
> fine. It's not like I haven't commented on your loyalty. I personally
would
> hate anyone being loyal to me at the expense of truth - but whatever
rocks
> your boat. Loyalty is fine in sports not so in life, not at the
expense of
> truth anyway.
And it goes without saying that you are the final arbiter of truth. 
This is one of your platforms.


> Just don't act like your support has any meaning unless you can come
up
> with something intelligent. Don't act like a stubborn child demanding
> attention. All I get is that you are mad at me for confronting Share
or
> Curtis but I get nothing from you that even remotely comes close to
proving
> I'm wrong. All you have is slander and/or half-truths, truth -
distorted
> and contorted. The amount of energy, intelligence I spend on you shows
I
> respect you more than you respect yourself.
well, thank you for respecting me, if that's what you want to call it. 
But over the course of time you've been here, you have not shown much
inclination to engage in any kind of back and forth.  usually it is just
some pronouncement, or rather, in about 90% of your posts, it is just
some form of ridicule.  But at least now, I better understand where it
is coming from.

  > You and Share definitely have a choice to be shameless and of course
you
> have both proven to be shameless so far. God is merciful as they say,
kept
> you guys far apart, prevented you from possibly creating more
shameless
> retardlets - you would have certainly caused the Shiva guy to be
ashamed of
> his Universe destroying skills. Or may be he will thank me and at the
end
> of the Kalpa get you guys together so he can use that extra time to -
yep
> you got it - have more sex with the Devi (that bastard !!!)
well guess what, I guess God had other plans, although, I would
certainly have found Share to be an attractive partner if 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

It's official Steve - when asked to contribute something intelligent,
rational you revert to your default coping strategy of deflecting it by
trying to present a distorted, contorted, and/or ludicrous version of the
truth.

Like the RaviGuru, Western Yogi words of mine - devoid of the context, the
intent and the consciousness of the person making it. I have already
explained it to you in the past, in detail - this is from 3 years back for
god's sake and I was fucking intoxicated, my very first time absolutely
drunk and unlike your stunted personality, I am a dramatically different
person today - emotionally, psychologically. I understand who I am, what my
qualities are, my strengths are - what my vision, philosophy is, which you
in your present moronic consciousness are unable to see or acknowledge.

Now coming to you - you are still the same old person. I have repeatedly
pointed out the frivolous, careless, reactive posts of yours - all I get is
silence. Repeatedly answered your slander, distortions, ludicrous twists of
truth and you occasionally show some remorse.

This is what Share said - Ravi is a fundamentalist who uses shame to
control. I was asking you to comment on that and how my response was
negative and perfunctory. A short summary will do.

Or you can just say hey I plan to stick with Share come what may and that's
fine. It's not like I haven't commented on your loyalty. I personally would
hate anyone being loyal to me at the expense of truth - but whatever rocks
your boat. Loyalty is fine in sports not so in life, not at the expense of
truth anyway.

Just don't act like your support has any meaning unless you can come up
with something intelligent. Don't act like a stubborn child demanding
attention. All I get is that you are mad at me for confronting Share or
Curtis but I get nothing from you that even remotely comes close to proving
I'm wrong. All you have is slander and/or half-truths, truth - distorted
and contorted. The amount of energy, intelligence I spend on you shows I
respect you more than you respect yourself.

You and Share definitely have a choice to be shameless and of course you
have both proven to be shameless so far. God is merciful as they say, kept
you guys far apart, prevented you from possibly creating more shameless
retardlets - you would have certainly caused the Shiva guy to be ashamed of
his Universe destroying skills. Or may be he will thank me and at the end
of the Kalpa get you guys together so he can use that extra time to - yep
you got it - have more sex with the Devi (that bastard !!!)

P.S. You have enough material in my posts to come with a coherent,
intelligent post to distance yourselves from the shameless liars, people
devoid of truth, integrity - distance yourself with dignity, with honor.



On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:54 AM, seventhray27 wrote:

> **
>
>
> Ravi, I get it that your role here, and perhaps your envisioned role in
> life, is to deliver the ultimate truth of any situation.  This is an
> ability you discovered as a young child.  You are rarely wrong, (so you
> say), and if you find you are  wrong, you will apologize.  I guess that
> last part is thrown in as a technicality, even if it never appears to be
> the case.
>
> And let's be real about it.  I think this was the basis of declaring
> yourself "RaviGuru" the new, great western yogi a few years back.  That
> didn't seem to go over too well did it?
>
>  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > Read it again Steve - there are enough qualifiers to keep you interested.
> >
> > Don't forget your record here - show me a single post of yours in the
> > recent past where you have engaged in some kind of rational, intelligent
> > discussion. I have a lot - don't push your luck.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:07 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote:
> > >
> > >> **
>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I'm glad you asked Ravi. It's all right here.
> > >>
> > >> How do you argue, or discuss something with someone who has this
> > >> attitude? I know. You don't!
> > >>
> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343429
> > >>
> > >> Yes - I have a special ability, insight into judging people. Even
> > >> electronic medium is no barrier. An intuition right from my
> childhood. It's
> > >> untainted by any intellectual process - so powerful is my intuition
> and
> > >> rarely does it go wrong. If I come after you, you bet your retarded
> ass it
> > >> will stick, if not I will bend over backwards to apologize.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> All the people I have exposed had some deception, the level and
> intensity
> > >> varies - and in many cases I wasn't even aware of it. It happens
> outside of
> > >> my intellect.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Oh Steve - I yearn for more. How is it perfunctory and how is it
> > >> negative?
> > >> > What was the spin, how was it skewed against Ms. Self-Avowed
> S

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >  
> > > > We all understand what it means to say everyone is
> > > > enlightened, Xeno. As true as it may be on one level,
> > > > some of us think it's unhelpful and counterproductive,
> > > > even obfuscatory, when used in an exchange like that
> > > > quoted above. [post #343925]
> > > 
> > > As you present this Judy, yes. But it is not ultimately
> > > unhelpful.
> > 
> > My comment was on your use of it in the quoted exchange,
> > and your remark suggesting that more Buddhists understand
> > it (than the folks on FFL, presumably).
> > 
> > There are things to be said along these general lines
> > that could be helpful, ultimately or immediately. But the
> > flat statement "Everyone is enlightened" has no 
> > informational content in and of itself. It's only
> > informational as a counter to the statement "Not everyone
> > is enlightened," but it doesn't *negate* that statement:
> > 
> > (snip)
> > > I wasn't trying to bamboozle Nabby. Nabby and everyone else
> > > has the full value of being inside, outside, through and
> > > through. We could not discover it if it were not. The only
> > > difference is if you think it is something other than what
> > > you are experiencing as ordinary everyday experience,
> > > something you have to look for, you do not see it.
> > > 
> > > All the practices we do are just to get the mind to stop dead
> > > and give up looking. It is so odd it can take such a long time
> > > to come to a truly persistent standstill.
> > 
> > And it's this difference that validates the statement "Not
> > everyone is enlightened."
> > 
> > While I'm at it, though, I'd like to suggest that you make
> > it clearer that you're talking about *your* experience. You
> > make a lot of general statements as if your experience is
> > the "final answer," the standard, and I'm not at all sure
> > that's something you could possibly know.
> >
> I can make statements if I want.

Never said otherwise.

*plonk*

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >  
> > > We all understand what it means to say everyone is
> > > enlightened, Xeno. As true as it may be on one level,
> > > some of us think it's unhelpful and counterproductive,
> > > even obfuscatory, when used in an exchange like that
> > > quoted above. [post #343925]
> > 
> > As you present this Judy, yes. But it is not ultimately
> > unhelpful.
> 
> My comment was on your use of it in the quoted exchange,
> and your remark suggesting that more Buddhists understand
> it (than the folks on FFL, presumably).
> 
> There are things to be said along these general lines
> that could be helpful, ultimately or immediately. But the
> flat statement "Everyone is enlightened" has no 
> informational content in and of itself. It's only
> informational as a counter to the statement "Not everyone
> is enlightened," but it doesn't *negate* that statement:
> 
> (snip)
> > I wasn't trying to bamboozle Nabby. Nabby and everyone else
> > has the full value of being inside, outside, through and
> > through. We could not discover it if it were not. The only
> > difference is if you think it is something other than what
> > you are experiencing as ordinary everyday experience,
> > something you have to look for, you do not see it.
> > 
> > All the practices we do are just to get the mind to stop dead
> > and give up looking. It is so odd it can take such a long time
> > to come to a truly persistent standstill.
> 
> And it's this difference that validates the statement "Not
> everyone is enlightened."
> 
> While I'm at it, though, I'd like to suggest that you make
> it clearer that you're talking about *your* experience. You
> make a lot of general statements as if your experience is
> the "final answer," the standard, and I'm not at all sure
> that's something you could possibly know.
>
I can make statements if I want. I do not think there is a final answer. Each 
generation that comes along finds a way to express this thing we call 
enlightenment. What human beings think and do changes, technology changes, our 
ideas of the universe change. Maharishi did a good job of translating many of 
these ideas into a more modern venacular, but he was a product of the mid-20th 
century. More recent teachers, and I presume (since by this time I will be 
dead) teachers to come with succeeding generations will find news ways to 
express this, what Aldous Huxley called the perennial philosophy. And yes, I am 
generally talking about my experience. It is far clearer than it used to be, 
but there is plenty of room to get clearer.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Share Long]

Arlington National Cemetery today.  We visited the grave site of my Mom's 
grandfather, so my great grandfather.  I actually knew in person my great 
grandparents on my Dad's side.  Anyway, my Mom's grandad was a veterinarian in 
the cavalry during WWI.  Mom's been wanting to do that for a while.  It is 
quite a beautiful cemetery.  Then we went to an oyster bar for lunch, Old 
Ebbitt's Grill near the White House.  Power lunch! (-:





 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:41 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
 


  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
snip 
> Last but not least, Fundamentalists of all ilks have themselves been so 
> severely shamed, that they themselves turn to shaming others in an attempt to 
> salvage their damaged sense of well being.  IMHO.
 
Excellent point Share.  And yes, it does make you have compassion, or at least 
some degree of compassion for those who seek to spin whatever someone says, 
whom they dislike, into some sort of skewed conclusion.
A prayer comes to mind that my grandmother used to tell me when I would spend 
the night at her house as a child, and we would talk about those less 
fortunate.  "There, but for the grace of God, go I"
I've read ahead here to the perfunctory negative replies from Ravi and Judy.  
They are just ramping up.  Getting their barber straps out.  
Glad you are having a good time in Maryland.  Thanks for sharing some of the 
details.  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>  
> > We all understand what it means to say everyone is
> > enlightened, Xeno. As true as it may be on one level,
> > some of us think it's unhelpful and counterproductive,
> > even obfuscatory, when used in an exchange like that
> > quoted above. [post #343925]
> 
> As you present this Judy, yes. But it is not ultimately
> unhelpful.

My comment was on your use of it in the quoted exchange,
and your remark suggesting that more Buddhists understand
it (than the folks on FFL, presumably).

There are things to be said along these general lines
that could be helpful, ultimately or immediately. But the
flat statement "Everyone is enlightened" has no 
informational content in and of itself. It's only
informational as a counter to the statement "Not everyone
is enlightened," but it doesn't *negate* that statement:

(snip)
> I wasn't trying to bamboozle Nabby. Nabby and everyone else
> has the full value of being inside, outside, through and
> through. We could not discover it if it were not. The only
> difference is if you think it is something other than what
> you are experiencing as ordinary everyday experience,
> something you have to look for, you do not see it.
> 
> All the practices we do are just to get the mind to stop dead
> and give up looking. It is so odd it can take such a long time
> to come to a truly persistent standstill.

And it's this difference that validates the statement "Not
everyone is enlightened."

While I'm at it, though, I'd like to suggest that you make
it clearer that you're talking about *your* experience. You
make a lot of general statements as if your experience is
the "final answer," the standard, and I'm not at all sure
that's something you could possibly know.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
 
> We all understand what it means to say everyone is
> enlightened, Xeno. As true as it may be on one level,
> some of us think it's unhelpful and counterproductive,
> even obfuscatory, when used in an exchange like that
> quoted above. [post #343925]
>

As you present this Judy, yes. But it is not ultimately unhelpful. 

These kinds of statements have a purpose. They program the mind so that when 
awakening finally occurs, the mind has something to hold on to; gives it an 
anchor. Some people are very disoriented upon waking up because the character 
of the experience is so different from what they expected, from what they had 
been led to believe or what they made of what was said about it (in a 
reasonably decent tradition, it would be the latter). 

In the meantime the somewhat cryptic and seemingly irrational nature of the 
statement can provoke a curiosity in some to just ponder what it might mean 
because obviously the mind can only formulate an intellectual picture based on 
imagination. This kind of pondering, contemplative thinking can also push the 
mind to expand. Contemplative thinking seems to be less evident in the TM 
tradition than in some others. It comes to some people more naturally than 
others.

So these kinds of statements, such as Maharishi saying 'in unity consciousness 
nothing ever happened', or the statement 'you are already enlightened', or 'if 
you do not see the way, you do not see it even if you walk on it' (this is from 
the Sandokai, a foundational poem for Zen Buddhism), kind of lie dormant, but 
they come to life when the individual wakes up out of their individuality. Then 
the mind can say 'oh, that's what that meant', and the disorientation that 
could have happened instead becomes recognition.

I wasn't trying to bamboozle Nabby. Nabby and everyone else has the full value 
of being inside, outside, through and through. We could not discover it if it 
were not. The only difference is if you think it is something other than what 
you are experiencing as ordinary everyday experience, something you have to 
look for, you do not see it.

All the practices we do are just to get the mind to stop dead and give up 
looking. It is so odd it can take such a long time to come to a truly 
persistent standstill.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Richard J. Williams]

Xenophaneros:  
> As the Buddhists  say (actually probably the Taoists 
> who greatly influenced Buddhism as it passed into China), 
> if you do not see the Way, you do not see it even if you 
> are walking on it. You do not need a funny hat either. 
> That is for Maharishi's followers...
> 
According to MMY, the Buddhist, the gods are such for only 
a limited amount of time and they must all return to earth 
to be reborn as human beings, when their stock of good 
karma is depleted or runs out. 

The enlightened, according to MMY, are no longer operating 
under the natural law of karma - they are free and immortal, 
higher than even the highest devas, such as Indra, 
Prajapati, Brahma or even the Asvins. 

Such are the aspirations of the Enlightenment Tradition - 
'the perfection of man'.

In contrast to those who merely desire material gains or 
long for a dis-embodied temporary visit to the heaven of 
the gods, the enlightened individual goes to Nirvana, 
forever. 

According to the Siddhas, there are no enlightened beings 
up in heaven.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

Ravi, I get it that your role here, and perhaps your envisioned role in
life, is to deliver the ultimate truth of any situation.  This is an
ability you discovered as a young child.  You are rarely wrong, (so you
say), and if you find you are  wrong, you will apologize.  I guess that
last part is thrown in as a technicality, even if it never appears to be
the case.

And let's be real about it.  I think this was the basis of declaring
yourself "RaviGuru" the new, great western yogi a few years back.  That
didn't seem to go over too well did it?

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>
> Read it again Steve - there are enough qualifiers to keep you
interested.
>
> Don't forget your record here - show me a single post of yours in the
> recent past where you have engaged in some kind of rational,
intelligent
> discussion. I have a lot - don't push your luck.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:07 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm glad you asked Ravi. It's all right here.
> >>
> >> How do you argue, or discuss something with someone who has this
> >> attitude? I know. You don't!
> >>
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343429
> >>
> >> Yes - I have a special ability, insight into judging people. Even
> >> electronic medium is no barrier. An intuition right from my
childhood. It's
> >> untainted by any intellectual process - so powerful is my intuition
and
> >> rarely does it go wrong. If I come after you, you bet your retarded
ass it
> >> will stick, if not I will bend over backwards to apologize.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> All the people I have exposed had some deception, the level and
intensity
> >> varies - and in many cases I wasn't even aware of it. It happens
outside of
> >> my intellect.
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Oh Steve - I yearn for more. How is it perfunctory and how is it
> >> negative?
> >> > What was the spin, how was it skewed against Ms. Self-Avowed
Shameless
> >> > Share? What's your expert analysis - a few bullet points would
help.
> >> > Imagine a hockey game and provide us a post-game analysis. You
can do
> >> this.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:41 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...:
> >> >
> >> > > **
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
> >> > > snip
> >> > > > Last but not least, Fundamentalists of all ilks have
themselves
> >> been so
> >> > > severely shamed, that they themselves turn to shaming others in
an
> >> attempt
> >> > > to salvage their damaged sense of well being. IMHO.
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Excellent point Share. And yes, it does make you have
compassion, or
> >> at
> >> > > least some degree of compassion for those who seek to spin
whatever
> >> someone
> >> > > says, whom they dislike, into some sort of skewed conclusion.
> >> > >
> >> > > A prayer comes to mind that my grandmother used to tell me when
I
> >> would
> >> > > spend the night at her house as a child, and we would talk
about
> >> those less
> >> > > fortunate. "There, but for the grace of God, go I"
> >> > >
> >> > > I've read ahead here to the perfunctory negative replies from
Ravi and
> >> > > Judy. They are just ramping up. Getting their barber straps
out.
> >> > >
> >> > > Glad you are having a good time in Maryland. Thanks for sharing
some
> >> of
> >> > > the details.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Read it again Steve - there are enough qualifiers to keep you interested.

Don't forget your record here - show me a single post of yours in the
recent past where you have engaged in some kind of rational, intelligent
discussion. I have a lot - don't push your luck.



On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:07 PM, seventhray27 wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> I'm glad you asked Ravi.  It's all right here.
>>
>> How do you argue, or discuss something with someone who has this
>> attitude?  I know.  You don't!
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343429
>>
>>  Yes - I have a special ability, insight into judging people. Even
>> electronic medium is no barrier. An intuition right from my childhood. It's
>> untainted by any intellectual process - so powerful is my intuition and
>> rarely does it go wrong. If I come after you, you bet your retarded ass it
>> will stick, if not I will bend over backwards to apologize.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the people I have exposed had some deception, the level and intensity
>> varies - and in many cases I wasn't even aware of it. It happens outside of
>> my intellect.
>>
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>> >
>> > Oh Steve - I yearn for more. How is it perfunctory and how is it
>> negative?
>> > What was the spin, how was it skewed against Ms. Self-Avowed Shameless
>> > Share? What's your expert analysis - a few bullet points would help.
>> > Imagine a hockey game and provide us a post-game analysis. You can do
>> this.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:41 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote:
>> >
>> > > **
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
>> > > snip
>> > > > Last but not least, Fundamentalists of all ilks have themselves
>> been so
>> > > severely shamed, that they themselves turn to shaming others in an
>> attempt
>> > > to salvage their damaged sense of well being. IMHO.
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Excellent point Share. And yes, it does make you have compassion, or
>> at
>> > > least some degree of compassion for those who seek to spin whatever
>> someone
>> > > says, whom they dislike, into some sort of skewed conclusion.
>> > >
>> > > A prayer comes to mind that my grandmother used to tell me when I
>> would
>> > > spend the night at her house as a child, and we would talk about
>> those less
>> > > fortunate. "There, but for the grace of God, go I"
>> > >
>> > > I've read ahead here to the perfunctory negative replies from Ravi and
>> > > Judy. They are just ramping up. Getting their barber straps out.
>> > >
>> > > Glad you are having a good time in Maryland. Thanks for sharing some
>> of
>> > > the details.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>  
>>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Read it again Steve - they are enough qualifiers to keep you interested.

Don't forget your record here - show me a single post of yours in the past
where you have engaged in some kind of rational, intelligent discussion. I
have a lot - don't push your luck.



On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:07 PM, seventhray27 wrote:

> **
>
>
> I'm glad you asked Ravi.  It's all right here.
>
> How do you argue, or discuss something with someone who has this
> attitude?  I know.  You don't!
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343429
>
>  Yes - I have a special ability, insight into judging people. Even
> electronic medium is no barrier. An intuition right from my childhood. It's
> untainted by any intellectual process - so powerful is my intuition and
> rarely does it go wrong. If I come after you, you bet your retarded ass it
> will stick, if not I will bend over backwards to apologize.
>
>
>
> All the people I have exposed had some deception, the level and intensity
> varies - and in many cases I wasn't even aware of it. It happens outside of
> my intellect.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > Oh Steve - I yearn for more. How is it perfunctory and how is it
> negative?
> > What was the spin, how was it skewed against Ms. Self-Avowed Shameless
> > Share? What's your expert analysis - a few bullet points would help.
> > Imagine a hockey game and provide us a post-game analysis. You can do
> this.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:41 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
> > > snip
> > > > Last but not least, Fundamentalists of all ilks have themselves been
> so
> > > severely shamed, that they themselves turn to shaming others in an
> attempt
> > > to salvage their damaged sense of well being. IMHO.
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Excellent point Share. And yes, it does make you have compassion, or at
> > > least some degree of compassion for those who seek to spin whatever
> someone
> > > says, whom they dislike, into some sort of skewed conclusion.
> > >
> > > A prayer comes to mind that my grandmother used to tell me when I would
> > > spend the night at her house as a child, and we would talk about those
> less
> > > fortunate. "There, but for the grace of God, go I"
> > >
> > > I've read ahead here to the perfunctory negative replies from Ravi and
> > > Judy. They are just ramping up. Getting their barber straps out.
> > >
> > > Glad you are having a good time in Maryland. Thanks for sharing some of
> > > the details.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

I'm glad you asked Ravi.  It's all right here.

How do you argue, or discuss something with someone who has this
attitude?  I know.  You don't!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343429


  Yes - I have a special ability, insight into judging people. Even
electronic medium is no barrier. An intuition right from my childhood.
It's untainted by any intellectual process - so powerful is my intuition
and rarely does it go wrong. If I come after you, you bet your retarded
ass it will stick, if not I will bend over backwards to apologize.



All the people I have exposed had some deception, the level and
intensity varies - and in many cases I wasn't even aware of it. It
happens outside of my intellect.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>
> Oh Steve - I yearn for more. How is it perfunctory and how is it
negative?
> What was the spin, how was it skewed against Ms. Self-Avowed Shameless
> Share? What's your expert analysis - a few bullet points would help.
> Imagine a hockey game and provide us a post-game analysis. You can do
this.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:41 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
> > snip
> > > Last but not least, Fundamentalists of all ilks have themselves
been so
> > severely shamed, that they themselves turn to shaming others in an
attempt
> > to salvage their damaged sense of well being. IMHO.
> >
> >
> > Excellent point Share. And yes, it does make you have compassion, or
at
> > least some degree of compassion for those who seek to spin whatever
someone
> > says, whom they dislike, into some sort of skewed conclusion.
> >
> > A prayer comes to mind that my grandmother used to tell me when I
would
> > spend the night at her house as a child, and we would talk about
those less
> > fortunate. "There, but for the grace of God, go I"
> >
> > I've read ahead here to the perfunctory negative replies from Ravi
and
> > Judy. They are just ramping up. Getting their barber straps out.
> >
> > Glad you are having a good time in Maryland. Thanks for sharing some
of
> > the details.
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Oh Steve - I yearn for more. How is it perfunctory and how is it negative?
What was the spin, how was it skewed against Ms. Self-Avowed Shameless
Share? What's your expert analysis - a few bullet points would help.
Imagine a hockey game and provide us a post-game analysis. You can do this.



On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:41 PM, seventhray27 wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
> snip
> > Last but not least, Fundamentalists of all ilks have themselves been so
> severely shamed, that they themselves turn to shaming others in an attempt
> to salvage their damaged sense of well being.  IMHO.
>
>
> Excellent point Share.  And yes, it does make you have compassion, or at
> least some degree of compassion for those who seek to spin whatever someone
> says, whom they dislike, into some sort of skewed conclusion.
>
> A prayer comes to mind that my grandmother used to tell me when I would
> spend the night at her house as a child, and we would talk about those less
> fortunate.  "There, but for the grace of God, go I"
>
> I've read ahead here to the perfunctory negative replies from Ravi and
> Judy.  They are just ramping up.  Getting their barber straps out.
>
> Glad you are having a good time in Maryland.  Thanks for sharing some of
> the details.
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> (snip)
> > I've read ahead here to the perfunctory negative replies from
> > Ravi and Judy. They are just ramping up. Getting their barber
> > straps out.
>
> Only if she keeps spewing hostile nonsense.
>
I see

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
(snip)
> I've read ahead here to the perfunctory negative replies from
> Ravi and Judy.  They are just ramping up.  Getting their barber
> straps out.

Only if she keeps spewing hostile nonsense.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
snip
> Last but not least, Fundamentalists of all ilks have themselves been
so severely shamed, that they themselves turn to shaming others in an
attempt to salvage their damaged sense of well being.  IMHO.


Excellent point Share.  And yes, it does make you have compassion, or at
least some degree of compassion for those who seek to spin whatever
someone says, whom they dislike, into some sort of skewed conclusion.

A prayer comes to mind that my grandmother used to tell me when I would
spend the night at her house as a child, and we would talk about those
less fortunate.  "There, but for the grace of God, go I"

I've read ahead here to the perfunctory negative replies from Ravi and
Judy.  They are just ramping up.  Getting their barber straps out.

Glad you are having a good time in Maryland.  Thanks for sharing some of
the details.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

"Say you were in a room with Maharishi, and postulate he is in unity. He is
there, you are there, the room is there. Same place, same room. How can
unity be on only one side of the room, that is, if it is real? If it is not
real, then there is no reason to have the experience. You might as well get
drunk and quit spiritual seeking."

Hold it there Xeno baby - you went from postulating to experiencing in the
same paragraph. You postulated Maharishi was in Unity, now everyone's in
Unity and having an orgy? Do you blame if someone like me thinks this is an
intellectual hard-on?

Come on get a clue - you fucking dimwit.



On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius <
anartax...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > On May 13, 2013, at 2:03 PM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Xenophaneros, are you in Unity ? If not, how do you know Unity is
> all about truth ?
> > > >
> > > > If it is not, why are we meditating? Nabby we are all in unity, you
> no less than me.
> >
> > Oh please, let Buddhist's in funny hats preoccupy themselves with
> nonsense on that level.
> >
> Perhaps the Buddhists talk about it this way because more of them
> understand what it means to say everyone is enlightened. The TMO birthday
> ceremony has this in it 'the already enlightened [name]', Maharishi must
> have been a f**ing Buddhist.
>
> Say you were in a room with Maharishi, and postulate he is in unity. He is
> there, you are there, the room is there. Same place, same room. How can
> unity be on only one side of the room, that is, if it is real? If it is not
> real, then there is no reason to have the experience. You might as well get
> drunk and quit spiritual seeking.
>
> As the Buddhists say (actually probably the Taoists who greatly influenced
> Buddhism as it passed into China), if you do not see the Way, you do not
> see it even if you are walking on it. You do not need a funny hat either.
> That is for Maharishi's followers.
>
> You do not need to be a Buddhist, but if you are antagonistic to any part
> of the world, you can blind yourself to certain insights, and blinding can
> be reciprocal (remember Vaj?).
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On May 13, 2013, at 2:03 PM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Xenophaneros, are you in Unity ? If not, how do you know 
> > > > > Unity is all about truth ?
> > > > 
> > > > If it is not, why are we meditating? Nabby we are all in 
> > > > unity, you no less than me.
> > 
> > Oh please, let Buddhist's in funny hats preoccupy themselves
> > with nonsense on that level.
> > 
> Perhaps the Buddhists talk about it this way because more of
> them understand what it means to say everyone is enlightened.

We all understand what it means to say everyone is
enlightened, Xeno. As true as it may be on one level,
some of us think it's unhelpful and counterproductive,
even obfuscatory, when used in an exchange like that
quoted above.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > On May 13, 2013, at 2:03 PM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Xenophaneros, are you in Unity ? If not, how do you know Unity is all 
> > > > about truth ?
> > > 
> > > If it is not, why are we meditating? Nabby we are all in unity, you no 
> > > less than me.
> 
> Oh please, let Buddhist's in funny hats preoccupy themselves with nonsense on 
> that level.
> 
Perhaps the Buddhists talk about it this way because more of them understand 
what it means to say everyone is enlightened. The TMO birthday ceremony has 
this in it 'the already enlightened [name]', Maharishi must have been a f**ing 
Buddhist.

Say you were in a room with Maharishi, and postulate he is in unity. He is 
there, you are there, the room is there. Same place, same room. How can unity 
be on only one side of the room, that is, if it is real? If it is not real, 
then there is no reason to have the experience. You might as well get drunk and 
quit spiritual seeking.

As the Buddhists  say (actually probably the Taoists who greatly influenced 
Buddhism as it passed into China), if you do not see the Way, you do not see it 
even if you are walking on it. You do not need a funny hat either. That is for 
Maharishi's followers.

You do not need to be a Buddhist, but if you are antagonistic to any part of 
the world, you can blind yourself to certain insights, and blinding can be 
reciprocal (remember Vaj?).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Oh pray tell me dear Xeno how I'm not relating to you - should I be helping
you in your intellectual masturbation? Should I be fucking titillated by
your platitudes - would you like me to scream in pleasure and joy in my
fake orgasm? OMG how I wish I was a woman right now - that would have
surely helped me relate to you.



On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius <
anartax...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Ravi, I have to be clueless, otherwise you won't be able to relate to me
> at all. You are having enough trouble as it is.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> >
> > OK - Xeno, let me say this, you have absolutely no fucking clue what
> Unity is.
> >
> > It's not merely an intellectual concept. We all love Maharishi for
> explaining Unity so clearly but Unity is an actual mystical, metaphysical
> metamorphosis.
> >
> > It's not something you can wrap as a belief system. OMG not only are you
> so clueless but as shameless as Share is when she talks about how everyone
> has good and bad qualities.
> >
> > No we are not all in Unity you fool - certainly not your ignorant ass.
> >
> > Robin is the only person that I have read here that seems to have
> demonstrated an empirical knowledge of Unity.
> >
> > How I wish you could keep your ignorant fucking mouth shut on Unity !!!
> >
> > Of course not meant literally because one can never stop idiots like
> you, it's only meant to somehow shame into some kind of reflection. You
> seem intelligent enough but are you emotionally, psychologically mature
> enough to be shamed?
> >
> > FYI - Nabby seems to be more emotionally intelligent than you despite
> his interests in crop circles, aliens and certainly Barry, the hilarity of
> Barry to go after Nabby - WTF?
> >
> >
> > On May 13, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > > On May 13, 2013, at 2:03 PM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Xenophaneros, are you in Unity ? If not, how do you know Unity is
> all about truth ?
> > >>
> > >> If it is not, why are we meditating? Nabby we are all in unity, you
> no less than me.
> > >
> > > LOL - you such an idiot Grandpa Xeno but you are lovable and you are
> my lovable, clueless grandpa. Don't nobody else make fun of my Grandpa !!!
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Ravi, I have to be clueless, otherwise you won't be able to relate to me at 
all. You are having enough trouble as it is.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> OK - Xeno, let me say this, you have absolutely no fucking clue what Unity is.
> 
> It's not merely an intellectual concept. We all love Maharishi for explaining 
> Unity so clearly but Unity is an actual mystical, metaphysical metamorphosis. 
> 
> It's not something you can wrap as a belief system. OMG not only are you so 
> clueless but as shameless as Share is when she talks about how everyone has 
> good and bad qualities.
> 
> No we are not all in Unity you fool - certainly not your ignorant ass.
> 
> Robin is the only person that I have read here that seems to have 
> demonstrated an empirical knowledge of Unity.
> 
> How I wish you could keep your ignorant fucking mouth shut on Unity !!!
> 
> Of course not meant literally because one can never stop idiots like you, 
> it's only meant to somehow shame into some kind of reflection. You seem 
> intelligent enough but are you emotionally, psychologically mature enough to 
> be shamed?
> 
> FYI - Nabby seems to be more emotionally intelligent than you despite his 
> interests in crop circles, aliens and certainly Barry, the hilarity of Barry 
> to go after Nabby - WTF?
> 
> 
> On May 13, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> 
> > On May 13, 2013, at 2:03 PM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Xenophaneros, are you in Unity ? If not, how do you know Unity is all 
> >> > about truth ?
> >> 
> >> If it is not, why are we meditating? Nabby we are all in unity, you no 
> >> less than me.
> > 
> > LOL - you such an idiot Grandpa Xeno but you are lovable and you are my 
> > lovable, clueless grandpa. Don't nobody else make fun of my Grandpa !!!
> > 
> >> 
> >>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Want to know why I'm so shameless, Ravi?  Because I've figured
> out some time ago that shaming, shaming and more shaming is how
> Fundamentalists of all ilks try to control people when they have
> failed to and or continue to fail to control people by using
> force.

Notice what Share is doing here: attempting to shame
those she calls "Fundamentalists."

> Best read up on it, Ravi.

Read up on what, Share? Where?

> Guilt about mistakes and an overall sense of responsibility
> are healthy. OTOH, shame is an unhealthy belief that something
> is fundamentally wrong with one's self.

However, if there *is* something "fundamentally" wrong with
one's self, it's healthier to recognize it so one can attempt
to heal it.

"Shameless," BTW, is generally considered a pejorative.

> Therefore, the inability to be shamed is currently thought
> to be

By whom?

> a sign of emotional and psychological and spiritual maturity.

But of course it can *also* be a sign of the inability or
unwillingness to face the reality that there is, in fact,
something wrong with one's self. Sociopaths are notoriously
incapable of feeling shame.

On the other hand, one may be inclined to wonder about
a person who boasts about how "shameless" (and thus presumably
how emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually mature
she is) while at the same time seeking out one healer after
another. Doesn't really seem consistent somehow. Sounds more
like someone who knows, on some level, that there *is*
something wrong with her self, something she's very much
ashamed of but can't bring herself to own up to.

> And when Fundamentalists of all ilks get really desperate to
> control people, they bring out the biggest shaming topic of
> all. Can you possibly guess what that is?  Simply consider
> what all the religions get most rabid about, what they most
> want to shame people about, abut which they attempt to exert
> the most control.

Actually not all the religions try to shame people
about sex. But it's interesting that this is what you
see in them.

I've noticed that some people will act all indignant when
they're being criticized and will accuse the critic of
trying to "shame" them, because that sounds more
objectionable than the more neutral term "criticize." It's
the same thing Share tries to do in her first paragraph
above, and of course it's an attempt to shame the critic,
as well as suggest that the criticism is unwarranted.

> Last but not least, Fundamentalists of all ilks have themselves
> been so severely shamed, that they themselves turn to shaming 
> others in an attempt to salvage their damaged sense of well
> being. IMHO.

Share, you are talking about yourself here. IMHO.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping

[Ravi Chivukula]

Oh my loving, clueless Aunt Share, thank you for explaining why you are so 
shameless - it's good to know. It explains your callous, brazen disregard in 
taking accountability for your words.

Forget Robin, you couldn't even take responsibility for that frisky feller 
remark of yours. You couldn't like - hey I wasn't trying to excuse rapists, 
molesters with my remark and I can see why Judy, Ann and Ravi would take an 
exception to it.

Did you read about the guy in Cleveland? One who imprisoned 3 women as his sex 
slaves? Do you think he qualifies to be a frisky feller?

So - now your emotional scars with shaming is so much that you refuse to take 
any responsibility for your words - do I get this right? I can easily empathize 
with it. But remember there are no fundamentalists here, on FFL, trying to 
shame you into controlling you.

What is the difference between shame and guilt?

I still speed sometimes and when I cutoff someone on the freeway I do feel 
ashamed. Should I be feeling guilty instead? How about guilty and ashamed?

Are their positive and negative expressions, consequences of this shame or 
guilt?

Would you have felt better if I used the word guilty? 

How dramatically less fundamentalist is your TM from Catholicism?

You think Ravi has a cult or is interested in forming a cult? Anything based 
upon my writings that would lead an intelligent person to come to that 
conclusion?

Anyway don't necessarily bother Share unless you would like to get back to me 
with something intelligent and devoid of your fantasies.


On May 13, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Share Long  wrote:

> Want to know why I'm so shameless, Ravi?  Because I've figured out some time 
> ago that shaming, shaming and more shaming is how Fundamentalists of all ilks 
> try to control people when they have failed to and or continue to fail to 
> control people by using force.  
> 
> Best read up on it, Ravi.  Guilt about mistakes and an overall sense of 
> responsibility are healthy.  OTOH, shame is an unhealthy belief that 
> something is fundamentally wrong with one's self.  Therefore, the inability 
> to be shamed is currently thought to be a sign of emotional and psychological 
> and spiritual maturity.  
> 
> And when Fundamentalists of all ilks get really desperate to control people, 
> they bring out the biggest shaming topic of all.  Can you possibly guess what 
> that is?  Simply consider what all the religions get most rabid about, what 
> they most want to shame people about, abut which they attempt to exert the 
> most control.  
> 
> Last but not least, Fundamentalists of all ilks have themselves been so 
> severely shamed, that they themselves turn to shaming others in an attempt to 
> salvage their damaged sense of well being.  IMHO.
> From: Ravi Chivukula 
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
> 
>  
> OK - Xeno, let me say this, you have absolutely no fucking clue what Unity is.
> 
> It's not merely an intellectual concept. We all love Maharishi for explaining 
> Unity so clearly but Unity is an actual mystical, metaphysical metamorphosis. 
> 
> It's not something you can wrap as a belief system. OMG not only are you so 
> clueless but as shameless as Share is when she talks about how everyone has 
> good and bad qualities.
> 
> No we are not all in Unity you fool - certainly not your ignorant ass.
> 
> Robin is the only person that I have read here that seems to have 
> demonstrated an empirical knowledge of Unity.
> 
> How I wish you could keep your ignorant fucking mouth shut on Unity !!!
> 
> Of course not meant literally because one can never stop idiots like you, 
> it's only meant to somehow shame into some kind of reflection. You seem 
> intelligent enough but are you emotionally, psychologically mature enough to 
> be shamed?
> 
> FYI - Nabby seems to be more emotionally intelligent than you despite his 
> interests in crop circles, aliens and certainly Barry, the hilarity of Barry 
> to go after Nabby - WTF?
> 
> 
> On May 13, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> 
>> On May 13, 2013, at 2:03 PM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>  
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Xenophaneros, are you in Unity ? If not, how do you know Unity is all 
>>> > about truth ?
>>> 
>>> If it is not, why are we meditating? Nabby we are all in unity, you no less 
>>> than me.
> 
> LOL - you such an idiot Grandpa Xeno but you are lovable and you are my 
> lovable, clueless grandpa. Don't nobody else make fun of my Grandpa !!!
> 
>> 
> 
> 
>