[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect from Invincible America Assembly

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks.  From Wikipedia: in a nutshell the ME lacks a causal explanation and 
cherry picks the data.  In other words, correlation is not causation; and 
beyond correlation, (something like: During period A in which people gathered 
in the Dome, there were (fill in..; such as fewer automobile deaths.).
 Apart from such putative correlations, the MUM Profs have offered no 
reasonable causal explanation supported by tangible evidence.  For one thing, 
there is no machine that can measure the ME, and thus it's up to some 
individual (without giving his reasons), as to why the ME is a certain 
strength, and that it can influence physical events.
 It's cherry picking, since the MUM Profs claim to be able to isolate one 
effect among countless other effects, and also haven't eliminated other causes 
as potential agents for the results. It could be due to Christian prayers, or 
countless Pundits in India doing their pujas and yagyas, as had occurred for 
thousands of years.  Nothing new here!  And yet the Profs claim that history 
has changed merely because a small group of people bounce on their butts in 
Fairfield
 But don't get me wrong.  I'm saying that the Shakti effect is quite real and 
valuable; but NOT that it can be measured scientificially.and that individual 
effects  can be identified.  To do so would counter the statement in the Gita 
that Karma is unfathomable.
 Wikipedia:
 Maharishi Effect[edit 
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transcendental_Meditation=edit=5]
 In the 1960s, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi described a paranormal 
effect that he claimed a significant number of individuals (1% of the people in 
a given area) practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation_technique (TM) could 
have on the local environment.[95] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation#cite_note-95 This 
hypothetical influence was later termed the Maharishi Effect. With the 
introduction of the TM-Sidhi program in 1976, Maharishi proposed that the 
square root of one percent of the population practicing the TM-Sidhi program, 
together at the same time and in the same place, would increase 
"life-supporting trends". This was referred to as the "Extended Maharishi 
Effect".[96] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation#cite_note-Karam-96[97] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation#cite_note-97 Evidence, 
which TM practitioners[98] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation#cite_note-Park-98 
believe supports the existence of the effect, has been said to lack a causal 
basis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality.[99] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation#cite_note-Fales-99 The 
evidence was said to result from cherry-picked data 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_(fallacy)[100] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation#cite_note-Schrodt-100 
and the credulity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credulity of believers
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect from Invincible America Assembly

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yup the post pretty obviously read as fake news item from anti-™ haters where 
they often code disrespect of one of the great sages, scientists, and 
revolutionaries of the 20th and early 21st Centuries, Maharishi, by calling him 
Mahesh. Typical anti-TM bloggers. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A Spurious Russian or X-ian fake-news blogging designed to derail invincible 
America? 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thx, from :"behind-the-tm-façade.com":
 

 According to the Mahesh/TMO claims, the ME covering the last 25+ years in the 
city of Fairfield, and the EME covering the last 20+ years in the state of 
Iowa, should have demonstrated a steady decrease in crime, accident and 
sickness becoming "the creation of an ideal society, free from crime and 
problems."

 What does the objective evidence demonstrate? Has crime been steadily 
decreasing in Fairfield and in Iowa -- the home of Maharishi University of 
Management -- with the largest group of TM and TM-Sidhi practitioners in the 
United States? Just the opposite, in fact. 

(in a nutshell, the ME correlates with INCREASING crime rates in Iowa and 
Fairfield. 

 

 #
 And, see 'Truth about TM' as the counter to this claim.
 http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/SocietalEffects/FairfieldCrime/index.cfm 
http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/SocietalEffects/FairfieldCrime/index.cfm

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect from Invincible America Assembly

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

A Spurious Russian or X-ian fake-news blogging designed to derail invincible 
America? 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thx, from :"behind-the-tm-façade.com":
 

 According to the Mahesh/TMO claims, the ME covering the last 25+ years in the 
city of Fairfield, and the EME covering the last 20+ years in the state of 
Iowa, should have demonstrated a steady decrease in crime, accident and 
sickness becoming "the creation of an ideal society, free from crime and 
problems."

 What does the objective evidence demonstrate? Has crime been steadily 
decreasing in Fairfield and in Iowa -- the home of Maharishi University of 
Management -- with the largest group of TM and TM-Sidhi practitioners in the 
United States? Just the opposite, in fact. 

(in a nutshell, the ME correlates with INCREASING crime rates in Iowa and 
Fairfield. 

 

 #
 And, see 'Truth about TM' as the counter to this claim.
 http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/SocietalEffects/FairfieldCrime/index.cfm 
http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/SocietalEffects/FairfieldCrime/index.cfm

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect from Invincible America Assembly

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thx, from :"behind-the-tm-façade.com":
 

 According to the Mahesh/TMO claims, the ME covering the last 25+ years in the 
city of Fairfield, and the EME covering the last 20+ years in the state of 
Iowa, should have demonstrated a steady decrease in crime, accident and 
sickness becoming "the creation of an ideal society, free from crime and 
problems."

 What does the objective evidence demonstrate? Has crime been steadily 
decreasing in Fairfield and in Iowa -- the home of Maharishi University of 
Management -- with the largest group of TM and TM-Sidhi practitioners in the 
United States? Just the opposite, in fact. 

(in a nutshell, the ME correlates with INCREASING crime rates in Iowa and 
Fairfield. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

[dhamiltony2k5]

The Meissner Effect [ME] of consciousness coherence is a good descriptor for 
this phenomena too in nature. Is a remarkable discovery really and fabulous to 
be in the middle of a ME field effect where it occurs. One can feel quite sadly 
for these folks who so determinedly deny themselves in their own free will in 
the face of all the science, observation, and spiritual experience of the 
experience or the possibility of any such a field effect of consciousness 
coherence. Talk about bull-headed stubborn asses. Either its bad breeding or 
this must be something in their upbringing that they are of such a bad 
disposition and hyper-reactivity that they can deny and repeat such as they do 
with such venom and hate of the obvious good and benefits to meditating. 
Out-layers really. There is something going on with these apostates [likely 
effect of some bad upbringing or genetics] that is simply outside the normative 
that makes them asocial in a group.  In the wider scholarly field of altruistic 
evolution it would make an interesting study to test the haters and deniers 
particularly here and around the internet for their spiritual efficaciousness,  
 -Buck
 

 

 mjackson74 writes:

 

 The evidence that belies this crap the Movement puts out are the actual wars 
that exist all over the globe, the murders and rapes that take place in the 
heart of the Movement in Fairfield, a purusha man committing suicide by setting 
himself on fire in the basement of Marshy's home in Vlodrop, and many other 
suicides and attempted suicide in the TMO, the enforced slavery in Africa of 
children and use of child soldiers in wars there. The list goes on and on. 
 
 As I have said numerous times here, the people of this world are screwed up, 
but they are not completely stupid. If this so-called technology worked, the 
people of the world would be clamoring to embrace it. In fact as I have also 
said here, EVERY Third World country would have ALREADY mandated that every 
citizen above the age of 12 practice TMSP in groups because that would make the 
country invulnerable to attack internally and externally. They have not, 
because it does not. This slavish adherence to an obviously false idea does no 
one any good.
 

 

 

 

 Yep, .the findings have been consistent
 across a large number of replications. As unlikely as the
 premise may sound, I think we have to take these studies
 seriously.”Ted Robert Gurr, PhD
 Emeritus Professor of Government and
 PoliticsUniversity of Maryland 

 sri...@ymail.com writes:
 Permanent Peace: What's the
 Evidence 
 
 
 Permanent
 Peace: What's the Evidence SUMMARY
 What’s the Evidence?
 
 
 
 View on  
 http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.html 
http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.html . 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 The evidence that belies this crap the Movement puts out are the actual wars 
that exist all over the globe, the murders and rapes that take place in the 
heart of the Movement in Fairfield, a purusha man committing suicide by setting 
himself on fire in the basement of Marshy's home in Vlodrop, and many other 
suicides and attempted suicide in the TMO, the enforced slavery in Africa of 
children and use of child soldiers in wars there. The list goes on and on. 
 
 As I have said numerous times here, the people of this world are screwed up, 
but they are not completely stupid. If this so-called technology worked, the 
people of the world would be clamoring to embrace it. In fact as I have also 
said here, EVERY Third World country would have ALREADY mandated that every 
citizen above the age of 12 practice TMSP in groups because that would make the 
country invulnerable to attack internally and externally. They have not, 
because it does not. This slavish adherence to an obviously false idea does no 
one any good. 
 

 And as I have said, anyone with a smattering of common sense or who has lived 
and breathed and walked on this Earth for longer than 6 months would realize 
and understand that no matter how loudly or vehemently someone might proclaim 
from the very rooftops, something like the Maharishi Effect couldn't possibly 
exist. The only thing that could cause the cessation of all wars and strife on 
this planet would be for all life to cease to exist. Where there are human 
beings there are problems - there is unrest and there is greed, fear and 
jealousy. No amount of meditation or eating Rocky Road ice cream or canoeing is 
going to change that, no matter who tells you it will. 
 

 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

[Michael Jackson]

You are so funny sometimes! I have to admit, I never thought of it before, but 
eating ice cream will have as much effect on world peace as doing TMSP in the 
Domes. So how do you account for the fact that Buck, Nabby, Sri, and a lot of 
the folks in the Domes believes the Marshy Effect is real?

On Sun, 5/4/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014, 1:22 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 The
 evidence that belies this crap the Movement puts out are the
 actual wars that exist all over the globe, the murders and
 rapes that take place in the heart of the Movement in
 Fairfield, a purusha man committing suicide by setting
 himself on fire in the basement of Marshy's home in
 Vlodrop, and many other suicides and attempted suicide in
 the TMO, the enforced slavery in Africa of children and use
 of child soldiers in wars there. The list goes on and on.
 
 
 
 
 As I have said numerous times here, the people of this world
 are screwed up, but they are not completely stupid. If this
 so-called technology worked, the people of the
 world would be clamoring to embrace it. In fact as I have
 also said here, EVERY Third World country would have ALREADY
 mandated that every citizen above the age of 12 practice
 TMSP in groups because that would make the country
 invulnerable to attack internally and externally. They have
 not, because it does not. This slavish adherence to an
 obviously false idea does no one any good. 
 
And as I
 have said, anyone with a smattering of common sense or who
 has lived and breathed and walked on this Earth for longer
 than 6 months would realize and understand that no matter
 how loudly or vehemently someone might proclaim from the
 very rooftops, something like the Maharishi Effect
 couldn't possibly exist. The only thing that could cause
 the cessation of all wars and strife on this planet would be
 for all life to cease to exist. Where there are human beings
 there are problems - there is unrest and there is greed,
 fear and jealousy. No amount of meditation or eating Rocky
 Road ice cream or canoeing is going to change that, no
 matter who tells you it will. 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You are so funny sometimes! I have to admit, I never thought of it before, but 
eating ice cream will have as much effect on world peace as doing TMSP in the 
Domes. So how do you account for the fact that Buck, Nabby, Sri, and a lot of 
the folks in the Domes believes the Marshy Effect is real?
 

 They carry that idealism gene that I lack - and evidently get enough Rocky 
Road to keep them from coveting their neighbors'. As I recall FF had a Baskin 
and Robbins that I frequented often, maybe that explains some of it. I have a 
terrible picture I am prepared to share with you taken at that very place back 
in the mid to late 70's. I don't remember what flavor it was, unfortunately but 
it must have been in the Rocky Road flavor category. (I would only post this 
photo for you MJ.)
 

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

[Michael Jackson]

You get funnier by the minute! 

On Sun, 5/4/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014, 2:08 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 You
 are so funny sometimes! I have to admit, I never thought of
 it before, but eating ice cream will have as much effect on
 world peace as doing TMSP in the Domes. So how do you
 account for the fact that Buck, Nabby, Sri, and a lot of the
 folks in the Domes believes the Marshy Effect is
 real?
 They carry
 that idealism gene that I lack - and evidently get enough
 Rocky Road to keep them from coveting their neighbors'.
 As I recall FF had a Baskin and Robbins that I frequented
 often, maybe that explains some of it. I have a terrible
 picture I am prepared to share with you taken at that very
 place back in the mid to late 70's. I don't remember
 what flavor it was, unfortunately but it must have been in
 the Rocky Road flavor category. (I would only post
 this photo for you
 MJ.)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

[Richard J. Williams]

On 5/4/2014 12:12 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 The evidence that belies this crap the Movement...
 
Well, we know what MJ does on Saturday evenings. Go figure.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

[dhamiltony2k5]

Yep, .the findings have been consistent across a large number of replications. 
As unlikely as the premise may sound, I think we have to take these studies 
seriously.” Ted Robert Gurr, PhD
Emeritus Professor of Government and Politics
 University of Maryland
 

 

 Permanent Peace: What's the Evidence 
http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.html
 
 
 http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.html 
 
 Permanent Peace: What's the Evidence 
http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.html SUMMARY What’s the Evidence?  
 The fall of the Berlin Wall   
 
 
 
 View on www.permanentpeac... http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.html 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

[Michael Jackson]

The evidence that belies this crap the Movement puts out are the actual wars 
that exist all over the globe, the murders and rapes that take place in the 
heart of the Movement in Fairfield, a purusha man committing suicide by setting 
himself on fire in the basement of Marshy's home in Vlodrop, and many other 
suicides and attempted suicide in the TMO, the enforced slavery in Africa of 
children and use of child soldiers in wars there. The list goes on and on. 

As I have said numerous times here, the people of this world are screwed up, 
but they are not completely stupid. If this so-called technology worked, the 
people of the world would be clamoring to embrace it. In fact as I have also 
said here, EVERY Third World country would have ALREADY mandated that every 
citizen above the age of 12 practice TMSP in groups because that would make the 
country invulnerable to attack internally and externally. They have not, 
because it does not. This slavish adherence to an obviously false idea does no 
one any good. 

On Sun, 5/4/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014, 4:14 AM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Yep, .the findings have been consistent
 across a large number of replications. As unlikely as the
 premise may sound, I think we have to take these studies
 seriously.”Ted Robert Gurr, PhD
 Emeritus Professor of Government and
 PoliticsUniversity of Maryland
 
 Permanent Peace: What's the
 Evidence  
   
 
 Permanent
 Peace: What's the Evidence   SUMMARY
 What’s the Evidence?   The fall of the Berlin Wall  
  
   
 
 View on www.permanentpeac...
 
 
 Preview by Yahoo
  
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect too Effective

[new . morning]

I appreciate your wit Doug.

Just an observation. Northern Nevada this week was enveloped by dense
smoke this week. Visibility was under one mile at times. Sky and sun
could not be seen. The ever present grand mountains could not be seen.
Even tall buildings could not be, or barely seen -- just down the way.
(Well they are casinos, so I guess Nature was protectingT our delicate
nervous systems.) All from fires 200-600 miles away, in that HellState
known as California.

(And 817 text messages, in one month, many at 3am or so, from our
esteemed governor to his mistress, were unveiled by his wife's lawyer
in a very public divorce case.

I have never seen such dense smoke, even when we had large fires in
Tahoe and surrounding Plumas forest areas last summer.  This week's
dense smoke was almost, um, Biblical in proportion. Like out of the
Ten Commandments (film) when the curse came upon the land.

But today, the sky is crystal blue, the sun is out, birds are
chirping, the green of spring is everywhere, and that fresh clear
Sierra prana is ever present (and strong).

(And the governor is being asked to resign by prominent players -- and
has become politically impotent (for so many reasons) in resolving the
current state budget crises. 
 
So I dunno as far as how far down towards the pedal (or is that petal)
to the metal that the pundits and ME should push it. A little
purification yesterday yields a brighter today. 

-

On a more serious note, to me, a lagged response to a Collective
Coherence Field Effect makes so much more sense than immediate
effects. The ME scientists, (chortle) are looking in the wrong
place. Most all major TMO triggered Coherence Effects have (taste of
utopia, etc) have a correlation with strong initial chaotic and
negative / destructive effects, and a later sustained take-off period.

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  Oh Lord, the Maharishi Effect is just too effective.
 
 
 A FRONTAL BOUNDARY IN CENTRAL IOWA THIS AFTERNOON WILL STILL MAKE
 ITS WAY EASTWARD ACROSS THE AREA THROUGH MIDNIGHT AND MAY YET KICK
 UP A FEW THUNDERSTORMS IN EASTERN IOWA THIS
 EVENING. 
 
 AN ISOLATED STORM PRODUCING LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WIND
 GUSTS WILL STILL BE POSSIBLE THROUGH 10 PM CDT.
 
 FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON RIVER FLOODING...SEE LOCAL HYDROLOGIC
 PRODUCTS.
 
 
 SATURDAY...SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS NORTH OF I-80 MAY BRIEFLY BECOME
 STRONG IN THE AFTERNOON PRODUCING PEA SIZED HAIL AND GUSTY WINDS OF
 30 TO 45 MPH.
 
 
 
   Please stop 
  this pundit chanting and group meditating for a while.  
  
  Oh Lord, please grant us relief and close the domes to meditation 
 for 
  a while.  They know not what they are doing up there.  
  
  Oh Lord, on every side is flooding, disaster, highway washouts, 
  bridges in collapse,homes gone, crops flooded, why; even basements 
 of 
  even large Maharishi Sthapatya Ved design homes in Maharishi Vedic 
  City,and up on north campus, are taking water and even with shit 
 even 
  backed up in some of them.  It is out-of-control natural law.
  
  There is just too much disaster and suffering with this.  This 
  Maharishi Effect is just too strong to play with and evidently they 
  know not what they are playing with.
  
  Oh Lord, Please grant us relief please from this vedic purification.
  
  Jai Guru Dev,
  
  -Doug in FF
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect too Effective

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh Lord, the Maharishi Effect is just too effective.


A FRONTAL BOUNDARY IN CENTRAL IOWA THIS AFTERNOON WILL STILL MAKE
ITS WAY EASTWARD ACROSS THE AREA THROUGH MIDNIGHT AND MAY YET KICK
UP A FEW THUNDERSTORMS IN EASTERN IOWA THIS
EVENING. 

AN ISOLATED STORM PRODUCING LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WIND
GUSTS WILL STILL BE POSSIBLE THROUGH 10 PM CDT.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON RIVER FLOODING...SEE LOCAL HYDROLOGIC
PRODUCTS.


SATURDAY...SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS NORTH OF I-80 MAY BRIEFLY BECOME
STRONG IN THE AFTERNOON PRODUCING PEA SIZED HAIL AND GUSTY WINDS OF
30 TO 45 MPH.



  Please stop 
 this pundit chanting and group meditating for a while.  
 
 Oh Lord, please grant us relief and close the domes to meditation 
for 
 a while.  They know not what they are doing up there.  
 
 Oh Lord, on every side is flooding, disaster, highway washouts, 
 bridges in collapse,homes gone, crops flooded, why; even basements 
of 
 even large Maharishi Sthapatya Ved design homes in Maharishi Vedic 
 City,and up on north campus, are taking water and even with shit 
even 
 backed up in some of them.  It is out-of-control natural law.
 
 There is just too much disaster and suffering with this.  This 
 Maharishi Effect is just too strong to play with and evidently they 
 know not what they are playing with.
 
 Oh Lord, Please grant us relief please from this vedic purification.
 
 Jai Guru Dev,
 
 -Doug in FF

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Brings, Sunshine

[Richard J. Williams]

Doug wrote:
 I'll be making hay today.
 
Don't make any more hay, Doug. Hay is
for cow feed. Raising cows for food
adds to the problem of global warming
and starvation due to food shortage
worldwide. Use your land for growing
organic vegetables instead.

The more cows and pigs you raise for 
food and the more hay and corn you grow
to feed them just makes the weather 
worse, even if the sun is shinning 
today in Fairfield. 

You can blame all the bad weather, the
flooding and storms, the hurricanes and 
typhoons and earthquakes on global 
warming, according to Al Gore.

My advice is to get out of Iowa as soon 
as you can - save the planet!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[dhamiltony2k5]

Oh Sal,


So success is not gained through hard work: success is gained by 
having the infinite organizing power of Natural Law in our favor.

And the moon is made of green cheese.  Do you actually 
believe any of the above, Bob?  Do you think MMY believed it?
-Sal

No Sal!   Recant! TMblasphemer?  All along I have read your posts on 
FFL and thot you a tru-believer like me, Bob and Feste37. Though, is 
never too late to recant your ways.  Discipline, dharna, dhyan and 
some Samadhi, just say, I recant. Be quiet for a moment and then 
chant a mala to Nadar Ram and one for the Prime Minister.

Knowledge we know is in the light of experience.  ...Please come and 
take this flower…  Whether pure of impure, whether purity or 
impurity is permeating everywhere; whoever opens himself/herself to 
the expanded vision of unbounded awareness gains inner and outer 
purity.  

Ours is extreme compassion.   Why are you not with us anymore?  When 
was the last time you had your meditation checked?  

In prescription too, a donation to the pundit program may help you a 
lot with your spiritual malaise.  Should review the meta-research 
studies and some scientific charts too.  That would help and explain 
a lot for you and help bring you back into alignment with Knowledge.  
Our scientific charts are like the bhakti of this Knowledge and 
always bring a return of joy for those who practice in a study of 
them.  

Have you sat with the Unified-Field Chart recently?  Meditating and 
gazing the chart is advanced technique that always brings openings of 
spiritual knowledge by experience.  Sit with it.  Join back in 
spiritual practice with us.

Yours in TM,

-Doug in FF


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  snip
   You'll notice that there are no busloads of butt-bouncers
   heading off with their foam to fly beside the affected
   rivers and entice them to settle down. Why?
  
  Possibly because it's not that the rivers are
  misbehaving, but rather that the rivers don't,
  um, have any choice about overflowing their
  banks when there's been a great deal of rain
  pouring more water into them than those banks
  can accommodate.
  
  Ya think?
  
   Because that would actually be putting their
   theory to the test,
  
  Because any effect generated by the flyers has
  to be on the rain, not the rivers, the theory is
  put to the test just as much when the flyers stay
  in Fairfield.
 
 
 Rubbish, the ME is supposed to improve weather and
 stop natural disasters before they happen. Don't 
 forget nature is intelligent: the all seeing eye 
 will know if flood defences are inadequate and adjust
 things accordingly (please don't think I'm bening 
 facetious, I've heard this and worse from TMers). 
 
 It's the most crap thing about the TMO, (that and 
 the idea they bought down the Berlin wall). Funny 
 thing is I got an e-mail from my national office 
 saying we should rejoice as the USofA is now invincible.
 The flood water should magically disappear now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[dhamiltony2k5]

Refined FFL homepage description:

Fairfield Life focuses on topics of hubris of seekers (and finders) 
of truth and liberation everywhere.

 What a fun thought provoking word that is.

...for instance, Cedar Rapids had the hubris to put its city hall,
courthouse and jail on a small island in the center of the river:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   I'm sorry to be so negative here, but I'm still reeling
   from Bob Brigante blaming the floods on wrongdoers in
   the affected communities. That's as insane as Christians
   blaming 9/11 on gays and lesbians and liberals, and 
   someone should say so.
  
  
  
  I'm sorry to have tempted you to be so negative here, ...
 
 LOL. Thanks...I needed that. :-)
 
  ...but I should 
  point out that I did say that poor planning was responsible for 
  much of the damage seen currently in Iowa (although being stupid 
  more or less amounts to wrongdoing because every human should 
  develop his full mental potential and not be a burden on the 
  earth):
 
 Should? 
 
 Isn't that a tad...uh...presumptuous? That you know 
 fersure what every human being should be doing?
 
 I'm asking because you honestly come across as if 
 you know fersure. I'm curious as to how you know.
 
  from post 180033:
  
  ...for instance, Cedar Rapids had the hubris to put its city 
hall,
  courthouse and jail on a small island in the center of the river:
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/us/13flood.html
  
  Those who decline to appreciate the holistic nature of the 
universe 
  are certainly entitled to think whatever they want, but it's a 
very 
  limited understanding of the world-as-it-is.
 
 Limited?
 
 And your understanding is not?
 
 Again, I'm asking because you seem so *sure*, man.
 I'm curious as to how you know this.
 
  Nature reacts to man's doing, good or bad, and every sage there 
  ever was has said so ...
 
 Is *this* how you know fersure? Sages said so?
 
  ... -- the universe is a machine that sends impulses of 
  correction when humans go out of balance (or support when people 
  do the right thing), just like good parents do when their kids 
  go wrong. 
 
 Dude, do you realize how many fersures there were
 in this sentence?
 
 First, fersure that what these sages said was true.
 Second, that there is such a thing as balance that
 is NOT present at every moment. Third, that humans
 should not go out of this theoretical state of 
 balance. Fourth, that Nature or the universe feels 
 it has a parental relationship with its kids and 
 reserves the right to whup their asses when the kids
 get out of line. 
 
 I don't know about where you live, but where I live
 if some guy who called himself Nature took it upon
 himself to spank his kids with the occasional earth-
 quake or flood or pandemic, Child Services would be
 all over his ass in a heartbeat.
 
  If you want to put your faith in some science guys in lab coats 
  who pooh-pooh any such holistic notions, that's fine with me, 
  but that is a religion of scientism ...
 
 As opposed to a religion of sage-ism, right?
 
  ...that is much more primitive and illogical 
  than you imagine holistic thinking to be.
 
 I guess I'm suggesting, Bob, that your holistic 
 thinking feels a tad dogmatic and authoritarian to 
 me. Essentially you seem to be saying 1) that good 
 and bad exist, 2) that sages in the past knew which
 was which, and 3) that Nature is in such agreement 
 with what these sages wrote that it's prepared to 
 smite those who don't live the way that the sages
 said they should with floods.
 
  To blame 9/11 only on gays and lesbians and liberals is an 
  attempt to scapegoat, and I am certainly not doing that in 
  saying that natural disasters are the reaction of Nature to 
  wrongdoing. 
 
 We're going to have to agree to disagree about this.
 
  When the majority 
  of people in society engage in behavior that causes unhappiness, 
  nature reacts. You don't buy that, fine, but life will continue 
to 
  operate on that basis regardless of anybody's recognition or not.
 
 Or not.
 
 My bet is that life will continue to operate in the
 same mysterious way it has operated for eternity,
 and that no one -- neither the sages of the past nor
 those who follow their holy words in the present --
 has ever or will ever have a definitive clue about
 How It All Works, much less Why. 
 
 I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old
 whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just
 that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary
 human beings trying to figure things out, just as 
 we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive 
 than our own. Mystery remains intact.

om

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
   snip
You'll notice that there are no busloads of butt-bouncers
heading off with their foam to fly beside the affected
rivers and entice them to settle down. Why?
   
   Possibly because it's not that the rivers are
   misbehaving, but rather that the rivers don't,
   um, have any choice about overflowing their
   banks when there's been a great deal of rain
   pouring more water into them than those banks
   can accommodate.
   
   Ya think?
   
Because that would actually be putting their
theory to the test,
   
   Because any effect generated by the flyers has
   to be on the rain, not the rivers, the theory is
   put to the test just as much when the flyers stay
   in Fairfield.
  
  Rubbish, the ME is supposed to improve weather and
  stop natural disasters before they happen.
 
 Please explain exactly how what I said is
 rubbish.
 
 (Hint: You'll have to *read* it first.)

Hee Hee, I love it when you get sarcastic.
But I'm sorry I was a bit aggressive there,
the ME is one of my hot buttons, or rather
the limp excuses people come up with to 
excuse why it doesn't work. Of couse the 
rivers will burst their banks if it rains 
a lot the thing is if there was anything to 
the ME it wouldn't have rained that much in 
the first place.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
snip
 You'll notice that there are no busloads of butt-bouncers
 heading off with their foam to fly beside the affected
 rivers and entice them to settle down. Why?

Possibly because it's not that the rivers are
misbehaving, but rather that the rivers don't,
um, have any choice about overflowing their
banks when there's been a great deal of rain
pouring more water into them than those banks
can accommodate.

Ya think?

 Because that would actually be putting their
 theory to the test,

Because any effect generated by the flyers has
to be on the rain, not the rivers, the theory is
put to the test just as much when the flyers stay
in Fairfield.
   
   Rubbish, the ME is supposed to improve weather and
   stop natural disasters before they happen.
  
  Please explain exactly how what I said is
  rubbish.
  
  (Hint: You'll have to *read* it first.)
 
 Hee Hee, I love it when you get sarcastic.
 But I'm sorry I was a bit aggressive there,
 the ME is one of my hot buttons, or rather
 the limp excuses people come up with to 
 excuse why it doesn't work. Of couse the 
 rivers will burst their banks if it rains 
 a lot the thing is if there was anything to 
 the ME it wouldn't have rained that much in 
 the first place.

Now go back and read what I wrote, see if you
can identify the rubbish in light of what
you just wrote.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Stops Rain Flooding

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dome Numbers up and flooding down.
 
 Mother Divine to appear as scheduled.
 
 FW:
 Dear All,
  
 We are happy to announce that despite the flooding situation, Amma's 
 programs at the Coralville Marriott are confirmed! The Marriott Hotel 
 was spared. The water stopped just short of flooding the building and 
 is now receding. 
 
 We hope to see you all there! 





http://tinyurl.com/4tznhh

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:55 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:


Oh Sal,


So success is not gained through hard work: success is gained by
having the infinite organizing power of Natural Law in our favor.

And the moon is made of green cheese.  Do you actually
believe any of the above, Bob?  Do you think MMY believed it?
-Sal

No Sal!   Recant! TMblasphemer?  All along I have read your posts on
FFL and thot you a tru-believer like me, Bob and Feste37. Though, is
never too late to recant your ways.  Discipline, dharna, dhyan and
some Samadhi, just say, I recant. Be quiet for a moment and then
chant a mala to Nadar Ram and one for the Prime Minister.


I thought about that, Doug, but good old-fashioned self-flagellation
 sounds like so much more fun.

Next lifetime, I can only hope to make it to the exalted New-Age
levels you , feste and bob are in.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hee Hee, I love it when you get sarcastic.
 But I'm sorry I was a bit aggressive there,
 the ME is one of my hot buttons, 

Hold on to your hat -- I am working on a ME / Jyotish post -- I figure
after the explosion -- we will see parts of you in our sunset. :) 
Maybe I will add karma an caste as themes and get Curtis up there too.



or rather
 the limp excuses people come up with to 
 excuse why it doesn't work. Of couse the 
 rivers will burst their banks if it rains 
 a lot the thing is if there was anything to 
 the ME it wouldn't have rained that much in 
 the first place.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:23 PM, new.morning wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


Hee Hee, I love it when you get sarcastic.
But I'm sorry I was a bit aggressive there,
the ME is one of my hot buttons,


Hold on to your hat -- I am working on a ME / Jyotish post -- I figure
after the explosion -- we will see parts of you in our sunset. :)
Maybe I will add karma an caste as themes and get Curtis up there too.


Taking up this theme, new, just what caste do you suppose
most of us would be in if we'd been born in India? The  Untouchables?
Or would we be even lower--the Unmentionables, maybe?  The
Caste With No Name?  Caste of Thousands?  How about
The Sar-Caste-Ics?

Anybody want to give this one a try?  I'm actually kind of
interested to hear where people would place themselves.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[gullible fool]

I'll bet the TMO would prefer us to all be in...
nbsp;
a supporting caste.
nbsp;
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Sal Sunshine lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote:

From: Sal Sunshine lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 10:29 PM




On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:23 PM, new.morning wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote:



Hee Hee, I love it when you get sarcastic.
But I'm sorry I was a bit aggressive there,
the ME is one of my hot buttons,nbsp;


Hold on to your hat -- I am working on a ME / Jyotish post -- I figure
after the explosion -- we will see parts of you in our sunset. :)nbsp;
Maybe I will add karma an caste as themes and get Curtis up there too.

Taking up this theme, new, just what caste do you suppose
most of us would be in if we'd been born in India? The nbsp;Untouchables?
Or would we be even lower--the Unmentionables, maybe? nbsp;Thenbsp;
Caste With No Name? nbsp;Caste of Thousands? nbsp;How about
The Sar-Caste-Ics?


Anybody want to give this one a try? nbsp;I'm actually kind ofnbsp;
interested to hear where people would place themselves.


Sal

 


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:51 PM, gullible fool wrote:



I'll bet the TMO would prefer us to all be in...



a supporting caste.



Weren't we?

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:23 PM, new.morning wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@  
  wrote:
 
  Hee Hee, I love it when you get sarcastic.
  But I'm sorry I was a bit aggressive there,
  the ME is one of my hot buttons,
 
  Hold on to your hat -- I am working on a ME / Jyotish post -- I figure
  after the explosion -- we will see parts of you in our sunset. :)
  Maybe I will add karma an caste as themes and get Curtis up there too.
 
 Taking up this theme, new, just what caste do you suppose
 most of us would be in if we'd been born in India? The  Untouchables?
 Or would we be even lower--the Unmentionables, maybe?  The
 Caste With No Name?  Caste of Thousands?  How about
 The Sar-Caste-Ics?
 
 Anybody want to give this one a try?  I'm actually kind of
 interested to hear where people would place themselves.
 

All-star cast! or at least a kewl cast everyone could sign -- and be
an ice breaker for picking up women in the park. And a cast-away when
I am in my cave mood. Overcast when I am moody.  A Cast(ing) call when
I want to meet new people. Or like Jini Mitchell said I could drink a
cast of you .. 

On a less jovial or flipant side, and I don't expect much more than
the usual catcalls here, I think a very special, type of caste- a
family tradition / guild is a better description. TOTALLY UNLIKE what
we have today or in memories past, 

This family tradition / guild type of caste has value, IMO. First, its
OPTIONAL. No discrimination. Anyone in any caste can do anything they
want. With great encouragement. 

However, I think there are valuable things passed on through
generations -- culturally, educationally, genetically -- and to see
Bharitu explode -- financially. If and when a particular skill set is
developed and refined over time, over generations, in a family -- it
can be of great value for family members WHO CHOSE TO DO SO, to take
advantage of the mentoring, culturing, etc of parents, siblings,
cousins, uncles, grand-parents, etc who have developed, collectively 
a particular skill set, talent, vocation or avocation, etc. 

This happens naturally to a degree. I think can be a good thing. But
NOT if it becomes elitist, discriminatory, restricting, biased, etc.

If someone wants to be a doctor, and their parents are doctors,
uncles, siblings and cousins too, they have a way easier time of it.
And more time for spiritual, creative, volunteer or rounding out
activities. 

Andre Agessi and Steffi Grafs kids, if they want to be a pro tennis
players -- will have an easier time of it than some poor slob like me.
And if they want to be a poet -- thats great too and I am sure andre
and Steffi would support, culture and love them to death if they chose
that. its just that the kid would not have the poetry resources in
that family. So cross-mentoring across families is part of it. The
poet family who loves the Agessis' tennis skills and history, will
love the opportuity to mentor the Aggesi child poet. And Vice versa.

Again, this is not about creating elite families the haves and have
nots. Its about EVERY family sustaining, nuturing, refining their
traditions / skill sets, etc. 

And if Robert Johnson's family adopts Curtis, the world will be even
grander.



Again, volutariy, optional, no constraints, no discrimination. Faimily
tradition/guilds. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm sorry to be so negative here, but I'm still reeling
 from Bob Brigante blaming the floods on wrongdoers in
 the affected communities. That's as insane as Christians
 blaming 9/11 on gays and lesbians and liberals, and 
 someone should say so.




I'm sorry to have tempted you to be so negative here, but I should 
point out that I did say that poor planning was responsible for much 
of the damage seen currently in Iowa (although being stupid more or 
less amounts to wrongdoing because every human should develop his 
full mental potential and not be a burden on the earth):

from post 180033:

...for instance, Cedar Rapids had the hubris to put its city hall,
courthouse and jail on a small island in the center of the river:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/us/13flood.html

Those who decline to appreciate the holistic nature of the universe 
are certainly entitled to think whatever they want, but it's a very 
limited understanding of the world-as-it-is.

Nature reacts to man's doing, good or bad, and every sage there ever 
was has said so -- the universe is a machine that sends impulses of 
correction when humans go out of balance (or support when people do 
the right thing), just like good parents do when their kids go wrong. 
If you want to put your faith in some science guys in lab coats who 
pooh-pooh any such holistic notions, that's fine with me, but that is 
a religion of scientism that is much more primitive and illogical 
than you imagine holistic thinking to be.

To blame 9/11 only on gays and lesbians and liberals is an attempt to 
scapegoat, and I am certainly not doing that in saying that natural 
disasters are the reaction of Nature to wrongdoing. When the majority 
of people in society engage in behavior that causes unhappiness, 
nature reacts. You don't buy that, fine, but life will continue to 
operate on that basis regardless of anybody's recognition or not.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I'm sorry to be so negative here, but I'm still reeling
  from Bob Brigante blaming the floods on wrongdoers in
  the affected communities. That's as insane as Christians
  blaming 9/11 on gays and lesbians and liberals, and 
  someone should say so.
 
 
 
 I'm sorry to have tempted you to be so negative here, ...

LOL. Thanks...I needed that. :-)

 ...but I should 
 point out that I did say that poor planning was responsible for 
 much of the damage seen currently in Iowa (although being stupid 
 more or less amounts to wrongdoing because every human should 
 develop his full mental potential and not be a burden on the 
 earth):

Should? 

Isn't that a tad...uh...presumptuous? That you know 
fersure what every human being should be doing?

I'm asking because you honestly come across as if 
you know fersure. I'm curious as to how you know.

 from post 180033:
 
 ...for instance, Cedar Rapids had the hubris to put its city hall,
 courthouse and jail on a small island in the center of the river:
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/us/13flood.html
 
 Those who decline to appreciate the holistic nature of the universe 
 are certainly entitled to think whatever they want, but it's a very 
 limited understanding of the world-as-it-is.

Limited?

And your understanding is not?

Again, I'm asking because you seem so *sure*, man.
I'm curious as to how you know this.

 Nature reacts to man's doing, good or bad, and every sage there 
 ever was has said so ...

Is *this* how you know fersure? Sages said so?

 ... -- the universe is a machine that sends impulses of 
 correction when humans go out of balance (or support when people 
 do the right thing), just like good parents do when their kids 
 go wrong. 

Dude, do you realize how many fersures there were
in this sentence?

First, fersure that what these sages said was true.
Second, that there is such a thing as balance that
is NOT present at every moment. Third, that humans
should not go out of this theoretical state of 
balance. Fourth, that Nature or the universe feels 
it has a parental relationship with its kids and 
reserves the right to whup their asses when the kids
get out of line. 

I don't know about where you live, but where I live
if some guy who called himself Nature took it upon
himself to spank his kids with the occasional earth-
quake or flood or pandemic, Child Services would be
all over his ass in a heartbeat.

 If you want to put your faith in some science guys in lab coats 
 who pooh-pooh any such holistic notions, that's fine with me, 
 but that is a religion of scientism ...

As opposed to a religion of sage-ism, right?

 ...that is much more primitive and illogical 
 than you imagine holistic thinking to be.

I guess I'm suggesting, Bob, that your holistic 
thinking feels a tad dogmatic and authoritarian to 
me. Essentially you seem to be saying 1) that good 
and bad exist, 2) that sages in the past knew which
was which, and 3) that Nature is in such agreement 
with what these sages wrote that it's prepared to 
smite those who don't live the way that the sages
said they should with floods.

 To blame 9/11 only on gays and lesbians and liberals is an 
 attempt to scapegoat, and I am certainly not doing that in 
 saying that natural disasters are the reaction of Nature to 
 wrongdoing. 

We're going to have to agree to disagree about this.

 When the majority 
 of people in society engage in behavior that causes unhappiness, 
 nature reacts. You don't buy that, fine, but life will continue to 
 operate on that basis regardless of anybody's recognition or not.

Or not.

My bet is that life will continue to operate in the
same mysterious way it has operated for eternity,
and that no one -- neither the sages of the past nor
those who follow their holy words in the present --
has ever or will ever have a definitive clue about
How It All Works, much less Why. 

I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old
whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just
that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary
human beings trying to figure things out, just as 
we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive 
than our own. Mystery remains intact.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 You'll notice that there are no busloads of butt-bouncers
 heading off with their foam to fly beside the affected
 rivers and entice them to settle down. Why?

Possibly because it's not that the rivers are
misbehaving, but rather that the rivers don't,
um, have any choice about overflowing their
banks when there's been a great deal of rain
pouring more water into them than those banks
can accommodate.

Ya think?

 Because that would actually be putting their
 theory to the test,

Because any effect generated by the flyers has
to be on the rain, not the rivers, the theory is
put to the test just as much when the flyers stay
in Fairfield.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[Richard J. Williams]

  If there's anything to be repented, it's 
  the notion that building cities on the 
  banks of rivers is a good idea.
 
Bob wrote:
 Cedar Rapids had the hubris to put its city 
 hall, courthouse and jail on a small island 
 in the center of the river:
 
Should have been built according on Vastu 
priniciples on a hill at least 35 feet in 
height. In addition, a large dam should have 
been constructed up river.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[curtisdeltablues]

 I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old
 whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just
 that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary
 human beings trying to figure things out, just as 
 we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive 
 than our own. Mystery remains intact.


The whole post was excellent but this paragraph really stands out.
 
Being absolutely sure about how the world works is a powerful
seductive drug.  I am just really glad I got that needle out of my arm.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   I'm sorry to be so negative here, but I'm still reeling
   from Bob Brigante blaming the floods on wrongdoers in
   the affected communities. That's as insane as Christians
   blaming 9/11 on gays and lesbians and liberals, and 
   someone should say so.
  
  
  
  I'm sorry to have tempted you to be so negative here, ...
 
 LOL. Thanks...I needed that. :-)
 
  ...but I should 
  point out that I did say that poor planning was responsible for 
  much of the damage seen currently in Iowa (although being stupid 
  more or less amounts to wrongdoing because every human should 
  develop his full mental potential and not be a burden on the 
  earth):
 
 Should? 
 
 Isn't that a tad...uh...presumptuous? That you know 
 fersure what every human being should be doing?
 
 I'm asking because you honestly come across as if 
 you know fersure. I'm curious as to how you know.
 
  from post 180033:
  
  ...for instance, Cedar Rapids had the hubris to put its city hall,
  courthouse and jail on a small island in the center of the river:
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/us/13flood.html
  
  Those who decline to appreciate the holistic nature of the universe 
  are certainly entitled to think whatever they want, but it's a very 
  limited understanding of the world-as-it-is.
 
 Limited?
 
 And your understanding is not?
 
 Again, I'm asking because you seem so *sure*, man.
 I'm curious as to how you know this.
 
  Nature reacts to man's doing, good or bad, and every sage there 
  ever was has said so ...
 
 Is *this* how you know fersure? Sages said so?
 
  ... -- the universe is a machine that sends impulses of 
  correction when humans go out of balance (or support when people 
  do the right thing), just like good parents do when their kids 
  go wrong. 
 
 Dude, do you realize how many fersures there were
 in this sentence?
 
 First, fersure that what these sages said was true.
 Second, that there is such a thing as balance that
 is NOT present at every moment. Third, that humans
 should not go out of this theoretical state of 
 balance. Fourth, that Nature or the universe feels 
 it has a parental relationship with its kids and 
 reserves the right to whup their asses when the kids
 get out of line. 
 
 I don't know about where you live, but where I live
 if some guy who called himself Nature took it upon
 himself to spank his kids with the occasional earth-
 quake or flood or pandemic, Child Services would be
 all over his ass in a heartbeat.
 
  If you want to put your faith in some science guys in lab coats 
  who pooh-pooh any such holistic notions, that's fine with me, 
  but that is a religion of scientism ...
 
 As opposed to a religion of sage-ism, right?
 
  ...that is much more primitive and illogical 
  than you imagine holistic thinking to be.
 
 I guess I'm suggesting, Bob, that your holistic 
 thinking feels a tad dogmatic and authoritarian to 
 me. Essentially you seem to be saying 1) that good 
 and bad exist, 2) that sages in the past knew which
 was which, and 3) that Nature is in such agreement 
 with what these sages wrote that it's prepared to 
 smite those who don't live the way that the sages
 said they should with floods.
 
  To blame 9/11 only on gays and lesbians and liberals is an 
  attempt to scapegoat, and I am certainly not doing that in 
  saying that natural disasters are the reaction of Nature to 
  wrongdoing. 
 
 We're going to have to agree to disagree about this.
 
  When the majority 
  of people in society engage in behavior that causes unhappiness, 
  nature reacts. You don't buy that, fine, but life will continue to 
  operate on that basis regardless of anybody's recognition or not.
 
 Or not.
 
 My bet is that life will continue to operate in the
 same mysterious way it has operated for eternity,
 and that no one -- neither the sages of the past nor
 those who follow their holy words in the present --
 has ever or will ever have a definitive clue about
 How It All Works, much less Why. 
 
 I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old
 whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just
 that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary
 human beings trying to figure things out, just as 
 we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[Richard J. Williams]

  I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old
  whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just
  that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary
  human beings trying to figure things out, just as 
  we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive 
  than our own. Mystery remains intact.
 
Curtis wrote:
 The whole post was excellent but this paragraph 
 really stands out.
  
 Being absolutely sure about how the world works 
 is a powerful seductive drug.

You're absolutely sure about this.

 I am just really glad I got that needle out of 
 my arm.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[Richard J. Williams]

TurquoiseB wrote:
 I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old
 whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just
 that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary
 human beings trying to figure things out, just as 
 we are. 

So, Bary believes that ordinary human beings were 
trying to figure things out. Now that's a revelation!

 Their scribblings are no more definitive 
 than our own. 

So, Barry is a scribbling sage. 
 
 Mystery remains intact.

Is this 'The Truth'?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[hermandan0]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 My bet is that life will continue to operate in the
 same mysterious way it has operated for eternity,
 and that no one -- neither the sages of the past nor
 those who follow their holy words in the present --
 has ever or will ever have a definitive clue about
 How It All Works, much less Why. 
 
 I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old
 whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just
 that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary
 human beings trying to figure things out, just as 
 we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive 
 than our own. Mystery remains intact.


Kinda reminds me of Iris Dement's Let the Mystery Be
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Du5FguDSzE

It's not quite the same as Bruce Cockburn's Mystery, but she's
waay cuter (IMO--YMMV)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old
   whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just
   that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary
   human beings trying to figure things out, just as 
   we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive 
   than our own. Mystery remains intact.
  
 Curtis wrote:
  The whole post was excellent but this paragraph 
  really stands out.
   
  Being absolutely sure about how the world works 
  is a powerful seductive drug.
 
 You're absolutely sure about this.

For some people, yes.  I was one of them for many years.

So how did this formulaic challenge advance the discussion Richard?

Challenging the epistemologically disastrous move of being absolutely
sure of things like the relationship between people's actions and
natural disasters, does not mean that I don't have an opinion on the
matter.  It just means that my post wont end with:

You don't buy that, fine, but life will continue to operate on that
basis regardless of anybody's recognition or not.



 
  I am just really glad I got that needle out of 
  my arm.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[Richard J. Williams]

TurquoiseB wrote:
 Yeah, that's the ticket. That'll enable you to
 believe that you and other butt-bouncers are SO
 powerful that you're influencing the weather.
 
So says Uncle Tantra the 'butt-bouncer'!

Notice also that Barry appears to be refusing to 
amend his false earlier assertion that he paid 
$5,000 to listen to MMY on tape over an earphone, 
even after he was made to admit that the course 
fee actually also covered a couple of months of 
room and board. 

Read more:

Subject: Re: A question for Uncle Tantra
Author: Judy Stein
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2003
http://tinyurl.com/4fwd7d

 I prefer to think of it as the random workings
 of a random universe, and the equally random
 attempts by insecure human beings to place them-
 selves at the center of the action, as if it
 all revolved around them.

But Barry! Almost every scientist on the planet
says that the universe is not based on 'random
workings' but on physics. A random universe
would be chaos, monkeys would be flying out of
our butts. The universe is based on cause and 
effect.

 My bet is that if you spent a little time read-
 ing Christian blogs from the Midwest, you'd find
 them (or their idea of God) taking credit for
 the same cleansing floods. 

How much would you be willing to wager?

 Same thing for the  fundie Islamic blogs. 
 They ALL want to believe that 1) *they* know 
 what's really happening, and 2) that it 
 won't happen to *them* because they are 
 insert name of fundamentalist belief
 system or organization here.

So, you know what is really happening on the 
fundie Islamic blogs.
 
 To me, all of these claims are just different
 flavors of the same stupidity.

And your theory that the universe is based on
'random workings' makes more sense? Without you
realizing it, you've just postulated the dogma of
the fundamentalist believers. ROTFLMAO!!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  You'll notice that there are no busloads of butt-bouncers
  heading off with their foam to fly beside the affected
  rivers and entice them to settle down. Why?
 
 Possibly because it's not that the rivers are
 misbehaving, but rather that the rivers don't,
 um, have any choice about overflowing their
 banks when there's been a great deal of rain
 pouring more water into them than those banks
 can accommodate.
 
 Ya think?
 
  Because that would actually be putting their
  theory to the test,
 
 Because any effect generated by the flyers has
 to be on the rain, not the rivers, the theory is
 put to the test just as much when the flyers stay
 in Fairfield.


Rubbish, the ME is supposed to improve weather and
stop natural disasters before they happen. Don't 
forget nature is intelligent: the all seeing eye 
will know if flood defences are inadequate and adjust
things accordingly (please don't think I'm bening 
facetious, I've heard this and worse from TMers). 

It's the most crap thing about the TMO, (that and 
the idea they bought down the Berlin wall). Funny 
thing is I got an e-mail from my national office 
saying we should rejoice as the USofA is now invincible.
The flood water should magically disappear now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[Richard J. Williams]

I do not deny you your belief that the sages of old
whom you revere had everything sussed out. It's just
that I prefer to believe that they were ordinary
human beings trying to figure things out, just as 
we are. Their scribblings are no more definitive 
than our own. Mystery remains intact.
   
Curtis wrote:
   The whole post was excellent but this paragraph 
   really stands out.

   Being absolutely sure about how the world works 
   is a powerful seductive drug.
  
  You're absolutely sure about this.
 
Curtis wrote:
 For some people, yes. I was one of them for many 
 years.
 
So, Barry's post WAS a red-herring - hardly anyone 
on the planet is 'absolutely sure about how the world 
works', except you and Barry. Both of you were once
absolutely sure about how the world works, but now
you're not so sure? But you are both absolutely sure
that the 'mystery remains intact'.

 So how did this formulaic challenge advance the 
 discussion Richard?

What part of 'red-herring' did you not understand?

 Challenging the epistemologically disastrous move 
 of being sure of things like the relationship between 
 people's actions and natural disasters, does not mean 
 that I don't have an opinion on the matter. It just 
 means that my post wont end with:
 
So, did you really have a needle in your arm? 

 You don't buy that, fine, but life will continue to 
 operate on that basis regardless of anybody's 
 recognition or not.
 
Are you're 'absolutly' sure it was a needle in your 
arm? Barry says you drank the 'kool-ade' but you're
saying you took drugs in the arm with a needle?

Which statement is absolutely 'The Truth'? Why can't
you two just be honest? You don't have a clue - you
are not 'sages' - you're just scribbling, trying to 
figure things out!

   I am just really glad I got that needle out of 
   my arm.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  snip
   You'll notice that there are no busloads of butt-bouncers
   heading off with their foam to fly beside the affected
   rivers and entice them to settle down. Why?
  
  Possibly because it's not that the rivers are
  misbehaving, but rather that the rivers don't,
  um, have any choice about overflowing their
  banks when there's been a great deal of rain
  pouring more water into them than those banks
  can accommodate.
  
  Ya think?
  
   Because that would actually be putting their
   theory to the test,
  
  Because any effect generated by the flyers has
  to be on the rain, not the rivers, the theory is
  put to the test just as much when the flyers stay
  in Fairfield.
 
 Rubbish, the ME is supposed to improve weather and
 stop natural disasters before they happen.

Please explain exactly how what I said is
rubbish.

(Hint: You'll have to *read* it first.)


 Don't 
 forget nature is intelligent: the all seeing eye 
 will know if flood defences are inadequate and adjust
 things accordingly (please don't think I'm bening 
 facetious, I've heard this and worse from TMers). 
 
 It's the most crap thing about the TMO, (that and 
 the idea they bought down the Berlin wall). Funny 
 thing is I got an e-mail from my national office 
 saying we should rejoice as the USofA is now invincible.
 The flood water should magically disappear now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  You'll notice that there are no busloads of butt-bouncers
  heading off with their foam to fly beside the affected
  rivers and entice them to settle down. Why?
 
 Possibly because it's not that the rivers are
 misbehaving, but rather that the rivers don't,
 um, have any choice about overflowing their
 banks when there's been a great deal of rain
 pouring more water into them than those banks
 can accommodate.
 
 Ya think?
 
  Because that would actually be putting their
  theory to the test,
 
 Because any effect generated by the flyers has
 to be on the rain, not the rivers, the theory is
 put to the test just as much when the flyers stay
 in Fairfield.

You are wasting your precious intellect on that fool. Have you not 
seen that all he wants to do is practise his TM-bashing and 
denouncing everything pertaing to the TMO on a daily basis ? If he 
did not he would go nuts probably though some would suggest he did a 
long time ago.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My bet is that life will continue to operate in the
 same mysterious way it has operated for eternity,

*

Your reply is way too talky to bother with, but as far as the notion 
that the universe is too mysterious to understand, that is just the 
inevitable anthem of ignorance of limited awareness (like the child's 
awe at the workings of a watch). The cure for this is, of course, 
expanded awareness, which in its infinite value of sat chit ananda, 
illuminates everything and doesn't leave any room for mystery. 

When I was a kid, I used to ride the roller coaster at Santa Monica's 
Pacific Ocean Park all day long (the ride was not as stressful as 
today's well-engineered roller coasters), but when I grew up, I found 
other ways to spend my time since the thrill had gone out of 
rollering. But nature, trying to speed up the process of getting 
people out of ignorant ways of life, always encourages people not to 
remain in the misery of the round of rebirths that ignorance makes 
necessary, and it does that by making people suffer. When people 
suffer enough, they become receptive to wisdom, and they eventually 
get on the path of expanding their awareness so that they can live 
their real nature of sat chit ananda.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 15, 2008, at 5:59 PM, bob_brigante wrote:


Your reply is way too talky to bother with, but as far as the notion
that the universe is too mysterious to understand, that is just the
inevitable anthem of ignorance of limited awareness (like the child's
awe at the workings of a watch). The cure for this is, of course,
expanded awareness, which in its infinite value of sat chit ananda,
illuminates everything and doesn't leave any room for mystery.


What a lonely, empty life you must lead, Bob, where there's no room
for mystery.  JMO.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect, thousands flee floods

[guyfawkes91]

 The transition to Sat Yuga necessarily implies not only rising 
 consciousness and the salutary effects that this has on the 
 environment, but the removal of elements that are opposed to bliss 
 consciousness:
It's sad isn't it. Anything positive is due to the ME, anything
negative is unstressing on the way to Sat Yuga. TM is a good thing
that got lost in the quicksands of pseudo-science. I suppose
eventually people will realise that there's no connection at all
between coherence creating and natural events, but eventually we'll
all be dead anyway. 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi effect

[lurkernomore20002000]

Yea,  but look at it this way.  This is a prediction before,  BEFORE, 
the actual event.  Yea,  I for one,  (if I remember),  will be waiting
to see is something happens.   But at lease we have it on record.  Hey,
the odds are probably a lot bettter that something will happen than Big
Brown was going to come in last at the Belmont.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  Ammachi speaking to a large group tonight in California urges people
to
  meditate to mitigate the effect of the unfortunate alignment of mars
  and venus tomorrow evening.

 Uga buggha.

 I was going to swing a dead cat in a bag around my head 7 times in a
 graveyard at midnight. That should help mitigate the magically bad
 effect of the alignment of random planets.

 Or maybe I will say a prayer to Mary of Lourdes because my uncle once
 had this thing on his balls and when he dipped them in the holy water,
 it went away. (after the surgery)

 Don't people have actual shit in their lives that grip their attention
 beyond the alignment of planets? How bored must you be for this to be
 the biggest area of your life to focus on?

 Unfortunate alignment of mars and venus has got to be the quote of
 the week.

 Sorry for the complete dickish response Doug, but I really think this
 is so deep into WTF? central that I couldn't resist. I hope your
 meditation helps the awful effect of planets on your day...there I go
 again..



 
  Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi effect

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Uga buggha.

Is that the extension of the kaching mantra?

[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi effect

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
  Uga buggha.
 
 Is that the extension of the kaching mantra?

Hey! You guys are speaking my mantra aloud.
Cut it out!

Oh, the hell with it. Now that you've gone
and diminished its mojo and all, I might as
well come clean. With the added advanced
technique, the full mantra is:

Kaching uga buggha namah

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Jun 13, 2008, at 11:41 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
 
   Quake kills two in northern Japan
  At least two people are killed by a powerful earthquake in the  
  north of
  Japan's main island,  -BBC
 
 
  Mars and Venus Align tomorrow night.
 
 Is the moon also in the seventh house?  That would explain everything.
 
 Sal


In jyotish, Mars is the culprit to much of the natural disasters at 
this time.  Mars represents earthquakes and when transiting a watery 
sign, it causes floods, tornados, hurricanes and typhoons.

At the present time, Mars is debilitated in Cancer, a watery sign.  It 
doesn't like to be in this constellation.  Thus, we have the 
astrological reason for the current natural disasters.

In addition, Mars is causing the current high prices of crude oil.  
Why?  Because Mars is the ruler of Scorpio, which represents oil 
wells.  Thus, the debilitation of Mars is causing less production of 
oil which results in high prices of crude oil and gas prices in the 
local market.  (It may not be all of Dubya's fault.)

There should be some improvement of natural conditions starting on June 
20, 2008 when Mars exits Cancer and transits into Leo.

JR

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In jyotish, Mars is the culprit to much of the natural disasters at 
 this time.  

Mars can be a benefic in a number of ascendants. Like mine - Pisces.
In fact, its lord of my 9th. The stuff of great crusaders :) A benific
Mars can have an invigorating, powerfully positive effect -- its not
just destruction an blood. As are all grahas -- they can be good or
bad or  both. 


Mars represents earthquakes and when transiting a watery 
 sign, it causes floods, tornados, hurricanes and typhoons.

And great buildings, muscles, strength, vigor, sex, passion,  debate,
motivation, ambition, rulers, engineers, designers, technical ability,
courage, positively directed energy, gold, etc. 

What is in the chart(s) you are looking at that make you simply draw
on earthquakes and floods? 

 
 At the present time, Mars is debilitated in Cancer, a watery sign.  It 
 doesn't like to be in this constellation.  Thus, we have the 
 astrological reason for the current natural disasters.

Do all natural  or even most natural disasters occur when mars is in
cancer? Do significantly more that 1/12 of all disasters occur when
mars is in cancer? Do significantly less natural disasters occur when
mars is exhalted?

What happnes when mars is debilitated by in Necha banga?


 
 In addition, Mars is causing the current high prices of crude oil.  
 Why?  Because Mars is the ruler of Scorpio, which represents oil 
 wells.  Thus, the debilitation of Mars is causing less production of 
 oil which results in high prices of crude oil and gas prices in the 
 local market.  (It may not be all of Dubya's fault.)

And was mars debilitated in the 73 oil crises, the 77-79 oil crisis, etc?

Do oil prices do down when Mars is exhalted? 

What happened to oil pre 1850 when mars was debilitated?

 
 There should be some improvement of natural conditions starting on June 
 20, 2008 when Mars exits Cancer and transits into Leo.
 

And by what metric would you test this hypothesis?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 nbsp;
 Maybe I'm just confused, but isn't the ME supposed to bring *good* things?
 
 It's the wahing machine effect...without the soap.


Think of it as meditation for the masses by remote.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Iowa City, one of the first 1%, 5%, 10% and 15% meditator cities in the 
 US and the world suffers now for letting their meditating population 
 drop below invincible levels.
 
   http://www.iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2452
 
 Iowa City gets severe thunder storms again this afternoon.  Sirens wail 
 warnings.  The Law of nature sends summons forth.  Repent your material 
 ways, retreat inside and meditate.
 
 Om Shanti,


You DO realize you're going to look silly if/when Fairfield gets hit with these 
issues,
don't you?


lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[Richard J. Williams]

Doug wrote:
 Iowa City, one of the first 1%, 5%, 10% 
 and 15% meditator cities in the US... 
 
Actually, the flooding would be even worse
if it had not been for the TM meditators.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Iowa City, one of the first 1%, 5%, 10% and 15% meditator cities in the 
 US and the world suffers now for letting their meditating population 
 drop below invincible levels.
 
   http://www.iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2452
 
 Iowa City gets severe thunder storms again this afternoon.  
 Sirens wail warnings.  The Law of nature sends summons forth.
 Repent your material ways, retreat inside and meditate.

IMO, the only Law of Nature in play here is one that predates human
existence by billions of years: the nature of rivers to flood, from
time to time. If there's anything to be repented, it's the notion that
building cities on the banks of rivers is a good idea.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[bob_brigante]

 IMO, the only Law of Nature in play here is one that predates human
 existence by billions of years: the nature of rivers to flood, from
 time to time. If there's anything to be repented, it's the notion that
 building cities on the banks of rivers is a good idea.


*

There certainly are some stupid decisions by humans in designing cities 
here -- for instance, Cedar Rapids had the hubris to put its city hall, 
courthouse and jail on a small island in the center of the river:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/us/13flood.html

But the principle that Nature reacts to human wrongdoing with disaster 
is part of the timeless holistic understanding of life: 

Guru Dev (11):

Accept responsibility for causing the good health of all, the view of 
the authors of the AyurVeda Shastra - Charaka and Sushruta - is to stay 
with the feeling of dharma - resembling nature, natural - and when the 
feeling of adharma increases then irregularity of nature occurs, that 
is to say that the three gunas (qualities) become uneven, from that 
occurs quarrelling amongst companions, malice, deluge, drought, famine, 
and various illnesses, ways of anxiety and suffering grow.

http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/AKtransrough.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[off_world_beings]

That's just silly. Floods are a good thing. Too many people dumb 
enough to live by the river. 

OffWorld



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Iowa City, one of the first 1%, 5%, 10% and 15% meditator cities in 
the 
 US and the world suffers now for letting their meditating 
population 
 drop below invincible levels.
 
   http://www.iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2452
 
 Iowa City gets severe thunder storms again this afternoon.  Sirens 
wail 
 warnings.  The Law of nature sends summons forth.  Repent your 
material 
 ways, retreat inside and meditate.
 
 Om Shanti,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[R.G.]

 (snip)
  Iowa City gets severe thunder storms again this afternoon.  Sirens 
 wail 
  warnings.  The Law of nature sends summons forth.  Repent your 
 material 
  ways, retreat inside and meditate.
  
  Om Shanti,
 (snip)
It's been pretty ok here in Madison, Wisconsin...
Some roads are flooded, but when the sun came out this afternoon, I 
did notice the purity of the air and the bright blue sky, and the 
brilliance of the reflections of light on the watery leafs.
The birds were singing happily.
Sometime great purifications can be disruptive.
As disruptive as it takes to cause evolution, I would assume.
Yin and Yang.
Forces of nature intensify and clash in Midwestern United States, 
China, many places throughout the earth sphere.
There has never been this intensity of enlivening of the finer levels 
of vibrations radiating from Iowa.
Iowa gave the Obama campaign it successful start.
Don't underestimate the power of Momma Nature.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[R.G.]

 Thou Shalt Not Turn Corn into Ethenol?
Thou Shalt Use The Land Wisely?



 That's just silly. Floods are a good thing. Too many people dumb 
 enough to live by the river. 
 
 OffWorld
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[TurquoiseB]

   Maybe I'm just confused, but isn't the ME supposed to bring 
   *good* things?
 
  It's the wahing machine effect...without the soap.
 
 Think of it as meditation for the masses by remote.

Yeah, that's the ticket. That'll enable you to
believe that you and other butt-bouncers are SO
powerful that you're influencing the weather.

I prefer to think of it as the random workings
of a random universe, and the equally random
attempts by insecure human beings to place them-
selves at the center of the action, as if it
all revolved around them.

My bet is that if you spent a little time read-
ing Christian blogs from the Midwest, you'd find
them (or their idea of God) taking credit for
the same cleansing floods. Same thing for the
fundie Islamic blogs. They ALL want to believe
that 1) *they* know what's really happening,
and 2) that it won't happen to *them* because
they are insert name of fundamentalist belief
system or organization here.

To me, all of these claims are just different
flavors of the same stupidity.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
  In jyotish, Mars is the culprit to much of the natural disasters 
at 
  this time.  
 
 Mars can be a benefic in a number of ascendants. Like mine - Pisces.
 In fact, its lord of my 9th. The stuff of great crusaders :) A 
benific
 Mars can have an invigorating, powerfully positive effect -- its not
 just destruction an blood. As are all grahas -- they can be good or
 bad or  both. 

Actually, Mars is best for Cancer and Leo ascendants, and is 
considered the yoga karaka for these two ascendants.

 
 
 Mars represents earthquakes and when transiting a watery 
  sign, it causes floods, tornados, hurricanes and typhoons.
 
 And great buildings, muscles, strength, vigor, sex, passion,  
debate,
 motivation, ambition, rulers, engineers, designers, technical 
ability,
 courage, positively directed energy, gold, etc. 
 
 What is in the chart(s) you are looking at that make you simply draw
 on earthquakes and floods? 

I am using the kala purusha (cosmic man) or the natural zodiac, 
starting with Aries and ending with Pisces.


  
  At the present time, Mars is debilitated in Cancer, a watery 
sign.  It 
  doesn't like to be in this constellation.  Thus, we have the 
  astrological reason for the current natural disasters.
 
 Do all natural  or even most natural disasters occur when mars is in
 cancer?

Not necessarily.  It all depends on the transits of the planets, 
particularly the malefic planets, Mars and Saturn.

 Do significantly more that 1/12 of all disasters occur when
 mars is in cancer?

I don't have the data to answer this.

 Do significantly less natural disasters occur when
 mars is exhalted?

Technically, this statement is correct.

 What happnes when mars is debilitated by in Necha banga?

In technical terms, there should be cancellation of the weakness of 
Mars.  But this term only applies to the birth charts.  Neecha bhanga 
does not apply to analysis of transits.


 
 
  
  In addition, Mars is causing the current high prices of crude 
oil.  
  Why?  Because Mars is the ruler of Scorpio, which represents oil 
  wells.  Thus, the debilitation of Mars is causing less production 
of 
  oil which results in high prices of crude oil and gas prices in 
the 
  local market.  (It may not be all of Dubya's fault.)
 
 And was mars debilitated in the 73 oil crises, the 77-79 oil 
crisis, etc?

Not necessarily.  Mars is only debilitated for about two months or so 
in its transit over Cancer.  Since the crises mentioned occurred over 
many months, the transit of Mars should not be cause of it.  One 
should look at the US natal chart period to analyze the reason.  I 
have not done so at this time.


 Do oil prices do down when Mars is exhalted? 

Not necessarily.  It just means that the significations of Mars would 
be enhanced during the transit in Capricorn, the exaltation 
constellation of Mars.

 
 What happened to oil pre 1850 when mars was debilitated?

See my response above.

 
  
  There should be some improvement of natural conditions starting 
on June 
  20, 2008 when Mars exits Cancer and transits into Leo.
  
 
 And by what metric would you test this hypothesis?

I'm using the jyotish rules of interpretation, as briefly described 
above.

In short, an astrologer should be aware of the current events and any 
fields of interests in order to understand how the planets in transit 
would affect the areas under scrutiny.  If you are an investor in 
stocks and commodities, you should be able to use various techniques 
in jyotish that would help you better time the fluctuations of the 
stock market and commodities market.  In other words, jyotish is a 
tool to understand the facts, figures, and experiences of any 
subject.  It is the science of light which is sung by the vedas

JR

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Floods Iowa City

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  Iowa City, one of the first 1%, 5%, 10% and 15% meditator cities 
  in the US and the world suffers now for letting their meditating 
  population drop below invincible levels.
  
http://www.iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2452
  
  Iowa City gets severe thunder storms again this afternoon.  
  Sirens wail warnings.  The Law of nature sends summons forth.
  Repent your material ways, retreat inside and meditate.
 
 IMO, the only Law of Nature in play here is one that predates human
 existence by billions of years: the nature of rivers to flood, from
 time to time. If there's anything to be repented, it's the notion 
 that building cities on the banks of rivers is a good idea.

Hear, hear. As usual, Alex brings a new level of
level-headedness to these discussions. The town
where I used to live in France was along the river
Ledourle. The very name of the river has become a
verb in French for 'to flood' -- ledourler. 

I've seen that river rise two meters in an hour,
with the results you would expect for the buildings
and fields along its banks. In nearby Sommières,
there are photos on the walls for the tourists 
showing the town during the last big flood, with
water covering the first floor of most of the 
buildings in town. The *Romans* knew about the
tendency of this river to flood, and so they built
their town up in the hills where it wouldn't be
affected by them. It took modern, more civilized
folks to build by the river. And they act suprised
whenever it floods, as if it's a random act of God.

And, sure as clockwork, every time the river floods,
you get crazies talking about how it's God's wrath
for something that their neighbors are doing that
they don't like. And you get people saying that the
fact that their house was spared is because they're
Godly, as opposed to their neighbors.

Face it, folks. The flooding has *nothing* to do with
the ME. The ME *itself* is bullshit, as far as I can
tell, and always has been. It was merely a way, when
the number of initiations started to fall, to pretend
that the total number of people meditating wasn't
important, and to enable the few remaining TBs to 
continue to feel self-important as their numbers
continued to dwindle.

You'll notice that there are no busloads of butt-bouncers
heading off with their foam to fly beside the affected
rivers and entice them to settle down. Why? Because that
would actually be putting their theory to the test, and
no one in the TMO wants that. They'd rather play with
statistics after the fact, and throw out all the data
that doesn't support what they already know.

I'm sorry to be so negative here, but I'm still reeling
from Bob Brigante blaming the floods on wrongdoers in
the affected communities. That's as insane as Christians
blaming 9/11 on gays and lesbians and liberals, and 
someone should say so.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Jun 13, 2008, at 8:10 AM, claudiouk wrote:
 
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7452363.stm
 
  State Governor Chet Culver said that with nine rivers at near record
  levelsHe has declared 55 out of Iowa's 99 counties state  
  disaster areas
 
 Maybe I'm just confused, but isn't the ME supposed to bring *good*  
 things?
 
 
 Sal


But Sal, from the non-dualistic supreme state, there is no good or
bad. Those are just your deep conditionings, the overlay of all your
own chit on the magnificent and perfect bliss of purity rising. You
should transcend the small hut should be mentality. You should
instantly drop this compulsion to to dictate in your mind how things
should be. Remember, the world is all good when you close your eyes.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 13, 2008, at 8:41 AM, new.morning wrote:

Maybe I'm just confused, but isn't the ME supposed to bring *good*  
things?



Sal



But Sal, from the non-dualistic supreme state, there is no good or
bad. Those are just your deep conditionings, the overlay of all  
your own chit


All my own sh*t?


on the magnificent and perfect bliss of purity rising. You
should transcend the small hut should be mentality.


I know I should, but I'm still so...unevolved...


You should
instantly drop this compulsion to to dictate in your mind how things
should be.


Non-duality in action!


Remember, the world is all good when you close your eyes.




Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Jun 13, 2008, at 8:41 AM, new.morning wrote:
 
  Maybe I'm just confused, but isn't the ME supposed to bring *good*  
  things?
 
  Sal
 
 
  But Sal, from the non-dualistic supreme state, there is no good or
  bad. Those are just your deep conditionings, the overlay of all  
  your own chit
 
 All my own sh*t?

Chit being the storehouse of impressions (aka sanskaras) which
condition the mind away from its own Blissful (aka Stupid) nature
creates an overlay over the mind of owns own chit. 

Thats where the world Sh*t evolved from. Guru after guru, age
afterage, said, Thats just your own Chit Or, YOu are in Deep Chit
now!. Or, you are experiencing a very Chitty day or, Cut the Chit.

Over time, as the purity of the teaching faded, Chit was slurred to Sh*t.

No Chit!



 
  on the magnificent and perfect bliss of purity rising. You
  should transcend the small hut should be mentality.
 
 I know I should, but I'm still so...unevolved...
 
  You should
  instantly drop this compulsion to to dictate in your mind how things
  should be.
 
 Non-duality in action!

Yup. You Must give up thinking that this or that Must be done. That is
the way of true Bliss, the way of True Stupidity (as Sri Pete has
supremely clarified -- Bliss is Stupid)

  Remember, the world is all good when you close your eyes.
 

Just close your eyes an dissovlve the universe. Then start all over,
and recreate the universe in your own Chitty image.

 
 
 Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
 wrote:
 
  On Jun 13, 2008, at 8:41 AM, new.morning wrote:
  
   Maybe I'm just confused, but isn't the ME supposed to bring 
*good*  
   things?
  
   Sal
  
  
   But Sal, from the non-dualistic supreme state, there is no good 
or
   bad. Those are just your deep conditionings, the overlay of 
all  
   your own chit
  
  All my own sh*t?
 
 Chit being the storehouse of impressions (aka sanskaras) which
 condition the mind away from its own Blissful (aka Stupid) nature
 creates an overlay over the mind of owns own chit. 
 
 Thats where the world Sh*t evolved from. Guru after guru, age
 afterage, said, Thats just your own Chit Or, YOu are in Deep Chit
 now!. Or, you are experiencing a very Chitty day or, Cut the 
Chit.
 
 Over time, as the purity of the teaching faded, Chit was slurred to 
Sh*t.
 
 No Chit!



When I was about 10 years old, I remember my mother reading a book by 
Georges Simenon, the creator of the fictional detective Maigret, 
called Chit of a girl.  It stuck in my memory because, as a 10 year 
old boy, I found it profoundly funny that my mother would read a book 
that could just as easily have read shit of a girl which, of 
course, I didn't hesitate in sharing with my mother.

Now, more than 40 years later, I still remember it:

http://tinyurl.com/4nj4ek









 
 
 
  
   on the magnificent and perfect bliss of purity rising. You
   should transcend the small hut should be mentality.
  
  I know I should, but I'm still so...unevolved...
  
   You should
   instantly drop this compulsion to to dictate in your mind how 
things
   should be.
  
  Non-duality in action!
 
 Yup. You Must give up thinking that this or that Must be done. That 
is
 the way of true Bliss, the way of True Stupidity (as Sri Pete has
 supremely clarified -- Bliss is Stupid)
 
   Remember, the world is all good when you close your eyes.
  
 
 Just close your eyes an dissovlve the universe. Then start all over,
 and recreate the universe in your own Chitty image.
 
  
  
  Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 13, 2008, at 9:24 AM, new.morning wrote:



Thats where the world Sh*t evolved from. Guru after guru, age
afterage, said, Thats just your own Chit Or, YOu are in Deep Chit
now!. Or, you are experiencing a very Chitty day


Is that where they got Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang from?


or, Cut the Chit.

Over time, as the purity of the teaching faded, Chit was slurred to  
Sh*t.


No Chit!



Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
 wrote:
 
  On Jun 13, 2008, at 8:10 AM, claudiouk wrote:
  
   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7452363.stm
  
   State Governor Chet Culver said that with nine rivers at near
record
   levelsHe has declared 55 out of Iowa's 99 counties state  
   disaster areas
  
  Maybe I'm just confused, but isn't the ME supposed to bring *good*  
  things?
  
  
  Sal
 
 
 But Sal, from the non-dualistic supreme state, there is no good or
 bad. Those are just your deep conditionings, the overlay of all your
 own chit on the magnificent and perfect bliss of purity rising. You
 should transcend the small hut should be mentality. You should
 instantly drop this compulsion to to dictate in your mind how things
 should be. 

 Remember, the world is all good when you close your eyes.


Exactly. Maharishi's 'world peace' only occurs in your imagination
with your eyes closed to objective reality.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Jun 13, 2008, at 9:24 AM, new.morning wrote:
 
 
  Thats where the world Sh*t evolved from. Guru after guru, age
  afterage, said, Thats just your own Chit Or, YOu are in Deep Chit
  now!. Or, you are experiencing a very Chitty day
 
 Is that where they got Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang from?

no Sal, I think that came from the Summer of Love -- when Moon Dog
scored a bag of really great Chit -- and he would find some chick in
the park and they would smoke a big doobie, and then all they would
want to do is Bang Bang all afternoon. 

 


 
  or, Cut the Chit.
 
  Over time, as the purity of the teaching faded, Chit was slurred to  
  Sh*t.
 
  No Chit!
 
 
 Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Exactly. Maharishi's 'world peace' only occurs in your imagination
 with your eyes closed to objective reality.



Except. Well, they are sand-bagging everywhere around except 
Fairfield.  You'll notice the concentric nature of the sand-bagging 
radiating from Fairfield.  Like, do the regression.  For instance, 
map the bridge-closings.  It is perfectly clear that the pundits and 
the numbers of meditators in meditation on campus have saved Vedic 
City and even Jefferson County.  Especially since the invincible 
numbers have been acheived.  

Oh ye of little faith, expect a Maharishi Effect flood water 
scientific chart imminently.  Maharishi was merciful in his wrath 
with us.



Jai Guru Dev, 
-Doug in FF


http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ahps2/forecasts.php?
wfo=dvnview=1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1toggles=10,7,8,2,9,15,6
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
  
   On Jun 13, 2008, at 8:10 AM, claudiouk wrote:
   
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7452363.stm
   
State Governor Chet Culver said that with nine rivers at near
 record
levelsHe has declared 55 out of Iowa's 99 counties state  
disaster areas
   
   Maybe I'm just confused, but isn't the ME supposed to bring 
*good*  
   things?
   
   
   Sal
  
  
  But Sal, from the non-dualistic supreme state, there is no good or
  bad. Those are just your deep conditionings, the overlay of all 
your
  own chit on the magnificent and perfect bliss of purity rising. 
You
  should transcend the small hut should be mentality. You should
  instantly drop this compulsion to to dictate in your mind how 
things
  should be. 
 
  Remember, the world is all good when you close your eyes.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 13, 2008, at 11:24 AM, new.morning wrote:


Thats where the world Sh*t evolved from. Guru after guru, age
afterage, said, Thats just your own Chit Or, YOu are in Deep Chit
now!. Or, you are experiencing a very Chitty day


Is that where they got Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang from?


no Sal, I think that came from the Summer of Love -- when Moon Dog
scored a bag of really great Chit -- and he would find some chick in
the park and they would smoke a big doobie, and then all they would
want to do is Bang Bang all afternoon.


I knew I could count on you for an ultra-evolved, neo-advaitain
celestial explanation for the great duality of life, new.  You never
disappoint.


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[mainstream20016]

' Sandbagging Everywhere except around Fairfield '   - a little nugget of 
wisdom best never 
entertained mentally - certainly never spoken by anyone -  lest one unleash 
comeuppance 
karma specially designed for the Spiritually Arrogant.  

I wonder if Bevan will wisely resist using the 'Sandbagging everywhere except 
around 
Fairfield' line this coming Sunday when he meets with the community. 

In the meantime, check the yagyas of the Vedic pandits and back off the yagyas 
designed 
to end drought  ;)





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  
  Exactly. Maharishi's 'world peace' only occurs in your imagination
  with your eyes closed to objective reality.
 
 
 
 Except. Well, they are sand-bagging everywhere around except 
 Fairfield.  You'll notice the concentric nature of the sand-bagging 
 radiating from Fairfield.  Like, do the regression.  For instance, 
 map the bridge-closings.  It is perfectly clear that the pundits and 
 the numbers of meditators in meditation on campus have saved Vedic 
 City and even Jefferson County.  Especially since the invincible 
 numbers have been acheived.  
 
 Oh ye of little faith, expect a Maharishi Effect flood water 
 scientific chart imminently.  Maharishi was merciful in his wrath 
 with us.
 
 
 
 Jai Guru Dev, 
 -Doug in FF
 
 
 http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ahps2/forecasts.php?
 wfo=dvnview=1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1toggles=10,7,8,2,9,15,6
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
   wrote:
   
On Jun 13, 2008, at 8:10 AM, claudiouk wrote:

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7452363.stm

 State Governor Chet Culver said that with nine rivers at near
  record
 levelsHe has declared 55 out of Iowa's 99 counties state  
 disaster areas

Maybe I'm just confused, but isn't the ME supposed to bring 
 *good*  
things?


Sal
   
   
   But Sal, from the non-dualistic supreme state, there is no good or
   bad. Those are just your deep conditionings, the overlay of all 
 your
   own chit on the magnificent and perfect bliss of purity rising. 
 You
   should transcend the small hut should be mentality. You should
   instantly drop this compulsion to to dictate in your mind how 
 things
   should be. 
  
   Remember, the world is all good when you close your eyes.
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:45 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Exactly. Maharishi's 'world peace' only occurs in your imagination
 with your eyes closed to objective reality.


Except. Well, they are sand-bagging everywhere around except 
Fairfield. You'll notice the concentric nature of the sand-bagging 
radiating from Fairfield. Like, do the regression. For instance, 
map the bridge-closings. It is perfectly clear that the pundits and 
the numbers of meditators in meditation on campus have saved Vedic 
City and even Jefferson County. Especially since the invincible 
numbers have been acheived. 

Oh ye of little faith, expect a Maharishi Effect flood water 
scientific chart imminently. Maharishi was merciful in his wrath 
with us. 

-

It also helps that we don't have any rivers around FF.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect hits Iowa with floods?

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Jun 13, 2008, at 11:24 AM, new.morning wrote:
 
  Thats where the world Sh*t evolved from. Guru after guru, age
  afterage, said, Thats just your own Chit Or, YOu are in Deep Chit
  now!. Or, you are experiencing a very Chitty day
 
  Is that where they got Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang from?
 
  no Sal, I think that came from the Summer of Love -- when Moon Dog
  scored a bag of really great Chit -- and he would find some chick in
  the park and they would smoke a big doobie, and then all they would
  want to do is Bang Bang all afternoon.
 
 I knew I could count on you for an ultra-evolved, neo-advaitain
 celestial explanation for the great duality of life, new.  You never
 disappoint.
 
 
 Sal



It all just flows when established in the supreme state of stupidity.
One profoundly realizes the common core of Supidity underlying
everything, and everyone. 

And its why I love FFL -- so many highly evolved ones firmly
established in the Unified Field of Stupidity. 

And as Jim has pointed out only Self knows Self, and only the Stupid
know Stupid. 

Its quite amazing to walk down the street and see a common looking
person, but inside -- they are Blazingly Stupid. Firmly established.
Stupid even in deepest sleep.

The Stupidity in me lights up when it ses the Stupidity in them.

Dive deep into the Ocean of Stupidity -- and you will never be the same.

Permeated with Stupidity, Perform action. As our President so
wonderfully does as Supreme Role model. 

And as Curtis I think can attest -- Stupid Chicks rule! Grace for example.

Science has even found Super-Fluid Stupidity. It flows without
resistance. And it has a Mesiner type affect. It is totally impervious
to any degree of wisdom or insight. So many here are popping into htat
state everyday. Like popcorn. Its all so beautiful.




 

[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi effect

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ammachi speaking to a large group tonight in California urges people to 
 meditate to mitigate the effect of the unfortunate alignment of mars 
 and venus tomorrow evening.

Uga buggha.

I was going to swing a dead cat in a bag around my head 7 times in a
graveyard at midnight.  That should help mitigate the magically bad
effect of the alignment of random planets.

Or maybe I will say a prayer to Mary of Lourdes because my uncle once
had this thing on his balls and when he dipped them in the holy water,
it went away. (after the surgery)

Don't people have actual shit in their lives that grip their attention
beyond the alignment of planets?  How bored must you be for this to be
the biggest area of your life to focus on?

Unfortunate alignment of mars and venus has got to be the quote of
the week.

Sorry for the complete dickish response Doug, but I really think this
is so deep into WTF? central that I couldn't resist.  I hope your
meditation helps the awful effect of planets on your day...there I go
again..



 
 Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect, thousands flee floods

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thousands of people in the US state of Iowa have been urged to leave 
 their homes because of rising river levels. 
 -BBC


*

The transition to Sat Yuga necessarily implies not only rising 
consciousness and the salutary effects that this has on the 
environment, but the removal of elements that are opposed to bliss 
consciousness:

I am alerting the world press, said Maharishi. Watch and see the
downfall and disappearance of the destroyers of the world – and the rise
of harmony, happiness, real purposeful administration in the world: the
dawn of a new age.
 http://tinyurl.com/3v5wsh

Iowa is as full of wrongdoers as anywhere else on earth, so it's not 
surprising to see natural castastrophes there in spite of the presence 
of large numbers of Vedic pundits and YFers there (in fact, you could 
make the case that Natural Law is more active there because of the 
rising tide of evolution). The fact is, the onset of Sat Yuga implies 
the sharp reduction of the human population because many people will 
resist the rising tide of evolution:

Time is different now, they will not be able to save themselves from 
the fury about the sin they are committing...The Global Country is 
prepared to give support to any country and if you oppose this you will 
see your day after tonight.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/tm/tm26.html 


A newspaper reporter asked Maharishi what his attitude toward the 
United States was. Maharishi replied ...it seems that it is my duty to 
save the country or to drown the country. (USA TODAY,  4 March 85, 
p.10A/11A). 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[Patrick Gillam]

I'm just getting back to some old conversations, 
and wanted to reply to you, Barry, on a few points. 
See below.

 --- TurquoiseB wrote:

 As far as I can tell, life IS about the journey,
 and how well we are able to walk our Way. The
 destination really doesn't matter.
 
  Patrick Gillam wrote:
 
  I wouldn't be so cynical if there weren't so many 
  people who've said, There is a destination, and 
  an awakening. If they got there, I would like to 
  get there, too.
 
 Could it possibly be that all of the people who
 said this were SELLING something?

There are people here at Fairfield Life who claim 
unity consciousness and are not selling anything.
I have no reason to doubt their sincerity or the
truth of their claims.
 
  Look how much entertainment depends on 
  producing that sense of aha! All those mystery 
  novels. The Harry Potter franchise. All sorts of 
  educational pursuits. It's a great feeling. Is it just 
  that - a feeling? 
 
 In my view, Yes.
 
  - or does it reflect a more universal 
  fulfillment inherent in the human experience?
 
 Relaxing into life as a journey without an end and
 as a mystery without a solution is very fulfilling.
 And it's fulfilling on a deeper level than that
 of the ego.

I subscribe to the school of thought which 
holds that life is how the transcendent knows 
itself. There will be feelings involved in that knowing. 
That's what I'd like for myself. 

 Just my opinion...

Ditto!

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Effect'/Allowed Obama to Win'

[shempmcgurk]

We used to think
That the Maharishi Effect
Was 1% of the population doing TM
Would bring peace and reduction of crime
To communities
But now
FairFieldLife's poet laureate
Nimble Gimble
Informs us that
The Maharishi Effect 
is actually
By voting heavily for Ron Paul
As did Fairfield and environs
At least ccording to the other nutcase
You create the effect
Of electing
Obama





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now let's extend that beautiful energy to NH;
   And then across the rest of the country.
 

 -
 Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[mrfishey2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Lurk:
Okay.  I like Angela.  I enjoy her posts.  But is there any experience 
she hasn't trumped.  Is there any subject matter where she has not had 
a deep inside connection.  I really could stand some fact checking or 
verification, even at the expense of losing some colorful tales.
 
(sorry to speak indirectly)


-

Her posts are true to the letter. I know, having once lived in a 
poorly heated walk-up on Delancey, two doors down from a man she used 
to date. He was obsessed with the woman. Said she had quite a life. 
Although he was a bit strange, I've no cause to doubt the 
recollections. A writer as well, went by the name of Tolstoy. Nice 
man - other than a mouth untouched by modern dentistry. 


-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[wayback71]

Thanks, Angela. for the lovely description.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 What did angels look like? 
 Different every time.  The first
 time I saw the phenomenon I can’t but call “angel,” I was fifteen years
 old.  I’d rigged a large coffee can and a
 Bunsen burner in the garage to make a small kiln and was enameling on
 copper.  I like translucent enamels best,
 but if you want to do cool blues and greens, you can’t really get that 
 effect
 on copper even if you put down a layer of flux first.  So I remembered that 
 my mom 
(who was at work
 killing dogs), had some small, sixteenth century silver platesâ€perfect for 
 cool
 blues and greens.   
 
 
  
 
 
 The trouble was that sixteenth century silver is so pure
 that it melted in my kiln.  Just before
 it flowed into the bottom of the coffee can, it was incandescent liquid, yet
 still held its form.  In that moment, it
 came alive and indistinct from me, and while I still saw it as an 
 “external”
 object, its center and mine were one, and from that center exploded a sound 
 like
 a thousand silver bells.  That sound
 expanded from my center, which was the silver, like ring-shaped waves in 
 water (which 
was I)
 spread out to infinity, repeating again and again.  The pleasure of those 
 expanding â
€œsound-rings”
 was intense, all-consuming beyond imagining, and filled all my senses.
 
 
  
 
 
 With the experience came knowledge, not separate in words,
 but part and parcel of the experience itself, though to communicate it, I have
 to translate into words.  I knew I saw
 the angel that makes silver.  It is not
 the case that the angel is one thing and silver is another.  The angel showed 
 me how he 
creates himself as
 silver.  I knew the process to be sacred
 and saw that silver is not just silver but intelligence making itself into 
 form.  I saw it 
emerge from a sacred ground of
 nothing which was nothing, yet intelligent. 
 I was an atheist at the time, so this was not something I was inclined
 to add to the experience; the knowledge, as I said, was part of the 
 experience.
 
 
  
 
 
 Since then, I have had that kind of experience often, but it
 is different each time in that the angel of silver has appeared only once.  
 But I have seen 
the angel of winter
 wheat and the angel of purple cabbages, just for example--the world looks as 
 if made 
of translucent light in such moments. 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 I can see how, given experiences like that, we might be
 tempted to say that “creation” or the “universe” or “multiverse” 
 or 
whatever
 you want to call it emerges from a field of pure consciousness, but I stand 
 with
 Curtis: Such experience is not evidence that the absolute vacuum state of the
 quantum field is identical with pure consciousness, though it might be 
 evidence
 that the human mind is more mysterious than psychologists have fathomed.
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:12:21 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander 
 mailander111@ ... 
wrote:
 
 
 
  Personal experience however subtle does not by itself count as evidence.  
  It might 
 
 satisfy you to see what you see.  I have seen what I can only call angels, 
 but does that 
 
 mean angels exist?  While the experience is groovy to the max, I wouldn't 
 call it 
evidence.  
 
 Some folks might be tempted to call it evidence that I'm nuts.  And, no, they 
 didn't look 
 
 like people and they didn't have wings.
 
 
 
 What did they look like?
 
  
 
  - Original Message 
 
  From: Vaj vajranatha@ ...
 
  To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
 
  Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:43:35 AM
 
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  On Dec 29, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
 
  
 
  omments interleaved below.
 
  
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Vaj vajranatha@ ... wrote:
 
  
 
   
 
   On Dec 28, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
 
   
 
I'm curious - how many people here believe
 
consciousness is the fundamental substrate
 
of creation? If you do, what evidence do you
 
put forth to back up your belief?
 
   
 
   While I would agree that consciousness, the alaya-vijnana, is the 
 
   basic substrate-conscious ness, my answer changes when you add of 
 
   creation. By of creation I take that to mean the physical universe. 
 
   Once we include the universe as a physical object and seek to identify 
 
   or intuit a unifying substrate that transcends AND includes 
 
   materiality it becomes a different answer. 
 
  
 
  I'm asking for viewpoints on Maharishi's teaching

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I knew Bentov.  His sister-in-law was a close friend, and she told me 
how he had told her sister, his wife, that a plane he was scheduled to 
take to a conference would crash and that everyone on board would be 
killed.  His wife said, Have you thought of driving to that 
conference? He said, No, it is my duty to be there on that plane.  
I've read Stalking the Wild Pendulum, but not the others you mention.  
i shall look for them.  

Lurk:
Okay.  I like Angela.  I enjoy her posts.  But is there any experience 
she hasn't trumped.  Is there any subject matter where she has not had 
a deep inside connection.  I really could stand some fact checking or 
verification, even at the expense of losing some colorful tales.

(sorry to speak indirectly)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[Angela Mailander]

Oh, by the way, Lurker, I forgot to mention that I am perfectly capable of 
inventing any tale whatsoever because I am a writer.  But, I usually tell the 
truth.  It really does have a better flavor than a lie.  

- Original Message 
From: lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:16:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander 

mailander111@ ... wrote:

I knew Bentov.  His sister-in-law was a close friend, and she told me 

how he had told her sister, his wife, that a plane he was scheduled to 

take to a conference would crash and that everyone on board would be 

killed.  His wife said, Have you thought of driving to that 

conference? He said, No, it is my duty to be there on that plane.  

I've read Stalking the Wild Pendulum, but not the others you mention.  

i shall look for them.  



Lurk:

Okay.  I like Angela.  I enjoy her posts.  But is there any experience 

she hasn't trumped.  Is there any subject matter where she has not had 

a deep inside connection.  I really could stand some fact checking or 

verification, even at the expense of losing some colorful tales.



(sorry to speak indirectly)






  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 These days I've pretty much lost interest in 
 spiritual pursuits, seeing as the arts convey 
 the same knowledge and experience so much 
 more elegantly.

Hear, hear.

People occasionally make fun of me because I
talk about good movies or books or even TV on
their spiritual forums instead of the stuff
they go on and on about from spiritual books
and teachers.

Let them laugh. There is more wisdom in a great
novel or a great film than there will be in any
spiritual scripture. And the reason is simple:
the great novels and great films don't pretend
to be anything BUT novels and films.


 --- mrfishey2001  wrote:
  
  We lack adequate representations for consciousness; so God gave us 
  the humanities. When brought to life in a transcendent ensemble, 
  little embodies the ineffable more completely than something like: 
  
  When I was on the Squarehead square rigger, bound for Buenos Aires. 
  Full moon in the trades. The old hooker driving fourteen knots. I 
  lay on the bowsprit, facing astern, with the water foaming into 
  spume under me, the masts with every sail white in the moonlight, 
  towering high above. I became drunk with the beauty and the singing 
  rhythm of it, and for a moment I lost myself--actually lost my life. 
  I was set free! I dissolved in the sea, became white sails and 
  flying spray, became beauty and rhythm, became moonlight and the 
  ship and the high dim-starred sky! I belonged without, past or 
  future, within peace and unity and a wild joy, within something 
  greater than my own life, or the life of Man, to Life itself! To God 
  if you want to put it that way.
  
  
  Long Day's Journey into Night

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  --- ruthsimplicity wrote:
  
   --- TurquoiseB  wrote:
   
The universe, as far as I can tell, IS mystery.
The word mystery could well be a synonym FOR
the universe. From its surface level to its
finest, most fundamental level, mystery is all
you find at the end of every quest.

My feeling about this is that the coolest and
smartest thing we could do is *embrace* the
mystery. I understand that some people love
to contemplate the mystery and search for whys
or hows or answers, but I just get off on
the mystery deepening into deeper mystery.

   EXACTLY how I feel.  There is beauty and logic but still it is 
   all a mystery.  
   
   That is fine by me.
  
  It isn't fine by me.
  
  Mystery denotes a degree of unknowing and incompletion.  If my 
  consicousness is, ultimately, capable of knowing and experiencing  
  the universe that is what I want.
  
  It may be enjoyable and fun to contemplate a mystery but I want 
  the whole enchilada.
 
 Gotta agree here. Saying I love the mystery 
 reminds me of people who say, Life is a journey, 
 and not a destination. That sounds like what 
 people say when they don't have answers and 
 don't expect to arrive anywhere.

Well, duh.  :-)

That IS, in fact, the way I see life. 

What Shemp is whining about is described in
one short three-letter word: EGO. His EGO (or
self) wants to believe that it can understand
things or know things. As far as I can tell,
it can't. Ever. All it can do is *believe* that
it understands and knows things. 

An ego less attached to its own self importance
would have noticed over the years that NOTHING
it ever knew or understood turned out to
be true and relaxed a little bit.

As far as I can tell, life IS about the journey,
and how well we are able to walk our Way. The
destination really doesn't matter.

 I wouldn't be so cynical if there weren't so many 
 people who've said, There is a destination, and 
 an awakening. If they got there, I would like to 
 get there, too.

Could it possibly be that all of the people who
said this were SELLING something?

Go back through history and examine each of the
teachers who said this and see if this might be
true.
 
 The best experience I ever had in meditation 
 was an instant when everything in the universe 
 made sense. I got it, if just for a tenth of a second. 

Cool. If it still looks the same way to you, years
later, I would suggest that you're merely in a rut
and that your life isn't changing very fast.  :-)

 Look how much entertainment depends on 
 producing that sense of aha! All those mystery 
 novels. The Harry Potter franchise. All sorts of 
 educational pursuits. It's a great feeling. Is it just 
 that - a feeling? 

In my view, Yes.

 - or does it reflect a more universal 
 fulfillment inherent in the human experience?

Relaxing into life as a journey without an end and
as a mystery without a solution is very fulfilling.
And it's fulfilling on a deeper level than that
of the ego.

Just my opinion...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[TurquoiseB]

More rapping on this subject, not because I have
any answers or want to argue, but because it's fun...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  --- ruthsimplicity wrote:
  
   --- TurquoiseB  wrote:
   
The universe, as far as I can tell, IS mystery.
The word mystery could well be a synonym FOR
the universe. From its surface level to its
finest, most fundamental level, mystery is all
you find at the end of every quest.

My feeling about this is that the coolest and
smartest thing we could do is *embrace* the
mystery. I understand that some people love
to contemplate the mystery and search for whys
or hows or answers, but I just get off on
the mystery deepening into deeper mystery.

   EXACTLY how I feel.  There is beauty and logic but still it is all a
   mystery.  
   
   That is fine by me.
  
  It isn't fine by me.
  
  Mystery denotes a degree of unknowing and incompletion. If my 
  consicousness is, ultimately, capable of knowing and experiencing 
  the universe that is what I want.

A few questions, Shemp:

* What ever gave you the impression that your
consciousness WAS capable of knowing the universe?

* What ever gave you the impression that the universe
CARES what you want.

* Isn't it possible, given the things we have been told
by cool spiritual teachers throughout the ages, that
the highest knowing you can achieve is to get *beyond*
the possessive I you use so much in the above sentence?
That is, you're talking about *my* consciousness and
what *I* want. Isn't it possible that the ultimate
knowing is getting PAST such petty concerns as my
and I ?

  It may be enjoyable and fun to contemplate a mystery but I 
  want the whole enchilada.

Seems pretty petty and ego-bound to me. 

A loftier goal, if you've got to have one, might be to
want to BE the whole enchilada, not to want it.

 Gotta agree here. Saying I love the mystery 
 reminds me of people who say, Life is a journey, 
 and not a destination. That sounds like what 
 people say when they don't have answers and 
 don't expect to arrive anywhere.

Sounds to me as if you're used to buying answers from
people.  :-)

I'm actually serious. In my experience, those spiritual
traditions that tend to charge for what they teach, and
charge a *lot*, tend to have a lot of answers to sell.
Those that help people develop the humility to realize
that they may NEVER figure out any real answers, and
that it doesn't MATTER whether they do, find it hard
to sell that concept. So they usually give it away for
free.  

 I wouldn't be so cynical if there weren't so many 
 people who've said, There is a destination, and 
 an awakening. If they got there, I would like to 
 get there, too.

Again, these people talking about destinations are 
usually SELLING them.

But the larger point, the one you're missing IMO, is 
what would be the DIFFERENCE if there were no destin-
ation or goal to be reached in life? 

* You spend your life pursuing something, wishing you
had it and missing a lot of life because you're so 
focused on this destination or goal you wish to achieve.
And then you die. 

* You spend your life pursuing no fixed goal, just 
enjoying every moment of your life as it arises. And 
then you die.

Which of these approaches do you think is more likely to
result in a fine life?

 The best experience I ever had in meditation 
 was an instant when everything in the universe 
 made sense. I got it, if just for a tenth of a second. 

The best moments I've had in meditation were those in
which there was no I to make sense of anything. That's
the thing I'm trying to suggest to Shemp above. 
 
 Look how much entertainment depends on 
 producing that sense of aha! All those mystery 
 novels. The Harry Potter franchise. All sorts of 
 educational pursuits. It's a great feeling. Is it just 
 that - a feeling? - or does it reflect a more universal 
 fulfillment inherent in the human experience?

WHAT says Aha?

Only a self, an ego. The Self CAN'T.

The focus on knowing or understanding the universe
comes from the EGO, the self. *It* wants to know or
understand. 

But as far as I can tell, the self or ego can NEVER
know or understand the universe. It can, however,
become it.

And there are many spiritual traditions out there that
believe that the constant attempt to know or under-
stand the universe is an *obstruction* to becoming it.

Different strokes for different folks. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[Vaj]

On Dec 29, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:


omments interleaved below.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Dec 28, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:

  I'm curious - how many people here believe
  consciousness is the fundamental substrate
  of creation? If you do, what evidence do you
  put forth to back up your belief?

 While I would agree that consciousness, the alaya-vijnana, is the
 basic substrate-consciousness, my answer changes when you add of
 creation. By of creation I take that to mean the physical  
universe.
 Once we include the universe as a physical object and seek to  
identify

 or intuit a unifying substrate that transcends AND includes
 materiality it becomes a different answer.

I'm asking for viewpoints on Maharishi's teaching
that physical creation arises out of undifferentiated
consciousness. So yes, I'm wondering about a
substrate that transcends and includes materiality.


Well then that would be like the consciousness only school where  
consciousness is the creator.



 From any whole that
 includes materiality I'd be forced to say prana is the unifying  
field

 interconnecting all of these (consciousness(es) and materials), this
 and akasha or fundamental Space. The reason I include Space is  
with a

 material object you need at least space. If that Space contains
 evolutionary activity, that Space requires Time. By Time I mean  
Big

 Time or macrocosmic time.

Seems to me that Space would arise out of
the substrate as well. And isn't prana a relative
phenomenon, to use Maharishi's phrasing, and
hence something that would be created from
an unmanifest, transcendent reality, as well?


In some ways-of-seeing, it is a subtle prana that is the sole support  
for an individual between existences. The same applies to universes.  
But even in yogic creation theory the power of the mirror, the  
vimarsha-shakti, is the power that allows infinite recursion to flesh- 
out the Big Dream.



 If you ask about the individual consciousness' POV, it's a slightly
 different answer! It also changes if you use a word other than
 creation. For example, I would prefer 'a network that is
 simultaneously network and node, node and network, instantaneously
 arising out of the sum interplay of a multiverse'. When that's the
 case, I can see and experience directly consciousness as primary.  
But
 lest we fool ourselves we should also be aware that this also  
implies

 a yogi would can pass his hand through matter as if it was truly an
 illusion. It's an easy claim to make, few truly and completely  
live at

 that absolute a level, but they do IME exist. :-)

This is what I'm really interested in - empirical
evidence. Most of us got theory up the yinyang
30 years ago. By now it seems we'd have lots of
evidence to validate the theory.

I fear I'm dumbing down some fine detail here.


Well one thing these traditions do do, the Hindu and Buddhist  
traditions, is tell you in no uncertain terms what level of fineness  
our meditation has to be at for us to have clear insight into the  
universe. The Hindu yogis point out that perception must be very  
refined to even be able to cognize such insight. If you take the  
shortest syllable that you can utter (called a matra) and divide it  
600 times, that's the level of subtlety of a mental cognition that a  
yogi must perceive. This is the level of microcosmic I-time that a  
yogi must have in order to perceive the multiverse as part of his or  
her own direct experience. And I just don't see many meditators who  
can perceive that finely. Most of what you hear people talking about  
is projections from conditioning they've acquired, not very fine  
cognition.


Yes, if you did have a meditation technique that went that subtle, we  
would have all the evidence that we need!


It's one thing to wax philosophical about the unified field, it's  
quite another to truly experience it. In order to do that we need to  
transcend the basic refresh rate of cognition, much like if you  
could blink fast enough and in the correct timing, you could see that  
the computer monitor you're using is actually just a sequence of  
pulses, displayed on a screen or monitor.


Thanks for your thoughtful inquiry Patrick!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[Vaj]

On Dec 29, 2007, at 8:20 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 

 
  The universe, as far as I can tell, IS mystery.
  The word mystery could well be a synonym FOR
  the universe. From its surface level to its
  finest, most fundamental level, mystery is all
  you find at the end of every quest.
 
  My feeling about this is that the coolest and
  smartest thing we could do is *embrace* the
  mystery. I understand that some people love
  to contemplate the mystery and search for whys
  or hows or answers, but I just get off on
  the mystery deepening into deeper mystery.
 
 EXACTLY how I feel. There is beauty and logic but still it is all a
 mystery.

 That is fine by me.

It isn't fine by me.

Mystery denotes a degree of unknowing and incompletion. If my
consicousness is, ultimately, capable of knowing and experiencing the
universe that is what I want.

It may be enjoyable and fun to contemplate a mystery but I want the
whole enchilada.



Maybe holding the paradox (without a need to resolve it) would be a  
better way of saying it? Embracing paradox?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 29, 2007, at 8:20 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity
  ruthsimplicity@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
   
  
   
The universe, as far as I can tell, IS mystery.
The word mystery could well be a synonym FOR
the universe. From its surface level to its
finest, most fundamental level, mystery is all
you find at the end of every quest.
   
My feeling about this is that the coolest and
smartest thing we could do is *embrace* the
mystery. I understand that some people love
to contemplate the mystery and search for whys
or hows or answers, but I just get off on
the mystery deepening into deeper mystery.
   
   EXACTLY how I feel. There is beauty and logic but still it is 
all a
   mystery.
  
   That is fine by me.
 
  It isn't fine by me.
 
  Mystery denotes a degree of unknowing and incompletion. If my
  consicousness is, ultimately, capable of knowing and experiencing 
the
  universe that is what I want.
 
  It may be enjoyable and fun to contemplate a mystery but I want 
the
  whole enchilada.
 
 
 Maybe holding the paradox (without a need to resolve it) would be 
a  
 better way of saying it? Embracing paradox?


Doug Henning expounded upon the wonder of magic. Pretty much the 
same thing.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[Angela Mailander]

Personal experience however subtle does not by itself count as evidence.  It 
might satisfy you to see what you see.  I have seen what I can only call 
angels, but does that mean angels exist?  While the experience is groovy to the 
max, I wouldn't call it evidence.  Some folks might be tempted to call it 
evidence that I'm nuts.  And, no, they didn't look like people and they didn't 
have wings.

- Original Message 
From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:43:35 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay









  





On Dec 29, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:

omments interleaved below.

 --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Vaj vajranatha@ ... wrote:

 
 On Dec 28, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
 
  I'm curious - how many people here believe
  consciousness is the fundamental substrate
  of creation? If you do, what evidence do you
  put forth to back up your belief?
 
 While I would agree that consciousness, the alaya-vijnana, is the 
 basic substrate-conscious ness, my answer changes when you add of 
 creation. By of creation I take that to mean the physical universe. 
 Once we include the universe as a physical object and seek to identify 
 or intuit a unifying substrate that transcends AND includes 
 materiality it becomes a different answer. 

I'm asking for viewpoints on Maharishi's teaching 
that physical creation arises out of undifferentiated 
consciousness. So yes, I'm wondering about a 
substrate that transcends and includes materiality.

Well then that would be like the consciousness only school where 
consciousness is the creator.

 From any whole that 
 includes materiality I'd be forced to say prana is the unifying field 
 interconnecting all of these (consciousness( es) and materials), this 
 and akasha or fundamental Space. The reason I include Space is with a 
 material object you need at least space. If that Space contains 
 evolutionary activity, that Space requires Time. By Time I mean Big 
 Time or macrocosmic time.

Seems to me that Space would arise out of 
the substrate as well. And isn't prana a relative 
phenomenon, to use Maharishi's phrasing, and 
hence something that would be created from
an unmanifest, transcendent reality, as well?

In some ways-of-seeing, it is a subtle prana that is the sole support for an 
individual between existences. The same applies to universes. But even in yogic 
creation theory the power of the mirror, the vimarsha-shakti, is the power 
that allows infinite recursion to flesh-out the Big Dream.


 If you ask about the individual consciousness' POV, it's a slightly 
 different answer! It also changes if you use a word other than 
 creation. For example, I would prefer 'a network that is 
 simultaneously network and node, node and network, instantaneously 
 arising out of the sum interplay of a multiverse'. When that's the 
 case, I can see and experience directly consciousness as primary. But 
 lest we fool ourselves we should also be aware that this also implies 
 a yogi would can pass his hand through matter as if it was truly an 
 illusion. It's an easy claim to make, few truly and completely live at 
 that absolute a level, but they do IME exist. :-)

This is what I'm really interested in - empirical 
evidence. Most of us got theory up the yinyang 
30 years ago. By now it seems we'd have lots of 
evidence to validate the theory.

I fear I'm dumbing down some fine detail here.

Well one thing these traditions do do, the Hindu and Buddhist traditions, is 
tell you in no uncertain terms what level of fineness our meditation has to be 
at for us to have clear insight into the universe. The Hindu yogis point out 
that perception must be very refined to even be able to cognize such insight. 
If you take the shortest syllable that you can utter (called a matra) and 
divide it 600 times, that's the level of subtlety of a mental cognition that a 
yogi must perceive. This is the level of microcosmic I-time that a yogi must 
have in order to perceive the multiverse as part of his or her own direct 
experience. And I just don't see many meditators who can perceive that finely. 
Most of what you hear people talking about is projections from conditioning 
they've acquired, not very fine cognition.


Yes, if you did have a meditation technique that went that subtle, we would 
have all the evidence that we need!


It's one thing to wax philosophical about the unified field, it's quite 
another to truly experience it. In order to do that we need to transcend the 
basic refresh rate of cognition, much like if you could blink fast enough and 
in the correct timing, you could see that the computer monitor you're using is 
actually just a sequence of pulses, displayed on a screen or monitor.


Thanks for your thoughtful inquiry Patrick!


  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  essay Quantum Consciousness, Quantum Miracles, Quantum Failure. 
It's 
  available here:
  
  http://www.geoffgilpin.com/pdfs/Quantum-Failure.pdf
 

ruthsimplicity wrote:
  Reasonable, well thought out essay.  It is hard to argue that Gilpin
 has any kind of agenda.  I enjoyed his book too.  
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu wrote:

 Really enjoyed the Essay.  Found myself reading the whole thing.  Even
 went to Amazon to buy Geoffs book.  Used for $1.94.


Maharishi Effect Quantum Failure Essay.

Yes, it is a good read.  That is what i thought too in reading it. Well 
written as an exploration
   it is refreshing as original social criticism too for the FF TM 
utopian experiment.  

Pretty good synthesis of the TM experience here and thoughtful of what 
is here.  Seems is pretty good at penetrating the situation  it stands 
pretty good.

Goodwill and Peace for all Humankind in this New Year,

-Doug in FF
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[Vaj]

On Dec 30, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:

Personal experience however subtle does not by itself count as  
evidence.  It might satisfy you to see what you see.  I have seen  
what I can only call angels, but does that mean angels exist?  While  
the experience is groovy to the max, I wouldn't call it evidence.   
Some folks might be tempted to call it evidence that I'm nuts.  And,  
no, they didn't look like people and they didn't have wings.


Since subtlety of meditation and the length or depth of meditation are  
measurable, presumably we can have some physical measurement. But can  
physical instruments capture the full breadth of what a person can  
experience? I think not. While I would be careful of assigning  
existence to phenomenon of any kind, certain subjective phenomenon  
have been repeatedly and predictably used for ascertaining refinement  
of perception for millenia. Perhaps what we need to realize is that  
objective science has it's limitations in the limitations of  
Scientific Materialist Dogma (reductionism and objectivism esp.). What  
is needed--and throughly robust side-by-side--is a pure subjective  
science. It is this pure subjective science that the pioneers of  
contemplative science (contemplative neuroscience and contemplative  
psychology) are attempting to bridge. With that paradigm shift could  
come a new species of evidence altogether.


All subtlety of meditation would prove is that we are capable of  
having high-resolution and vivid perception, it really wouldn't tell  
us any more objectively than that, other than it might have side  
benefits like reduction of negative emotions and so on. When combined  
with other attitudes outside of meditation proper, it can extend them  
into inter-meditational periods however and benefit overall living.


I don't know of any research on angels per se, but IME these are  
largely considered nyams or meditational experiences, but there are  
exceptions of course.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[wayback71]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Personal experience however subtle does not by itself count as evidence.  It 
 might 
satisfy you to see what you see.  I have seen what I can only call angels, but 
does that 
mean angels exist?  While the experience is groovy to the max, I wouldn't call 
it evidence.  
Some folks might be tempted to call it evidence that I'm nuts.  And, no, they 
didn't look 
like people and they didn't have wings.

What did they look like?
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:43:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 29, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
 
 omments interleaved below.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Vaj vajranatha@ ... wrote:
 
  
  On Dec 28, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
  
   I'm curious - how many people here believe
   consciousness is the fundamental substrate
   of creation? If you do, what evidence do you
   put forth to back up your belief?
  
  While I would agree that consciousness, the alaya-vijnana, is the 
  basic substrate-conscious ness, my answer changes when you add of 
  creation. By of creation I take that to mean the physical universe. 
  Once we include the universe as a physical object and seek to identify 
  or intuit a unifying substrate that transcends AND includes 
  materiality it becomes a different answer. 
 
 I'm asking for viewpoints on Maharishi's teaching 
 that physical creation arises out of undifferentiated 
 consciousness. So yes, I'm wondering about a 
 substrate that transcends and includes materiality.
 
 Well then that would be like the consciousness only school where 
 consciousness is the 
creator.
 
  From any whole that 
  includes materiality I'd be forced to say prana is the unifying field 
  interconnecting all of these (consciousness( es) and materials), this 
  and akasha or fundamental Space. The reason I include Space is with a 
  material object you need at least space. If that Space contains 
  evolutionary activity, that Space requires Time. By Time I mean Big 
  Time or macrocosmic time.
 
 Seems to me that Space would arise out of 
 the substrate as well. And isn't prana a relative 
 phenomenon, to use Maharishi's phrasing, and 
 hence something that would be created from
 an unmanifest, transcendent reality, as well?
 
 In some ways-of-seeing, it is a subtle prana that is the sole support for an 
 individual 
between existences. The same applies to universes. But even in yogic creation 
theory the 
power of the mirror, the vimarsha-shakti, is the power that allows infinite 
recursion to 
flesh-out the Big Dream.
 
 
  If you ask about the individual consciousness' POV, it's a slightly 
  different answer! It also changes if you use a word other than 
  creation. For example, I would prefer 'a network that is 
  simultaneously network and node, node and network, instantaneously 
  arising out of the sum interplay of a multiverse'. When that's the 
  case, I can see and experience directly consciousness as primary. But 
  lest we fool ourselves we should also be aware that this also implies 
  a yogi would can pass his hand through matter as if it was truly an 
  illusion. It's an easy claim to make, few truly and completely live at 
  that absolute a level, but they do IME exist. :-)
 
 This is what I'm really interested in - empirical 
 evidence. Most of us got theory up the yinyang 
 30 years ago. By now it seems we'd have lots of 
 evidence to validate the theory.
 
 I fear I'm dumbing down some fine detail here.
 
 Well one thing these traditions do do, the Hindu and Buddhist traditions, is 
 tell you in no 
uncertain terms what level of fineness our meditation has to be at for us to 
have clear 
insight into the universe. The Hindu yogis point out that perception must be 
very refined 
to even be able to cognize such insight. If you take the shortest syllable that 
you can utter 
(called a matra) and divide it 600 times, that's the level of subtlety of a 
mental cognition 
that a yogi must perceive. This is the level of microcosmic I-time that a 
yogi must have 
in order to perceive the multiverse as part of his or her own direct 
experience. And I just 
don't see many meditators who can perceive that finely. Most of what you hear 
people 
talking about is projections from conditioning they've acquired, not very fine 
cognition.
 
 
 Yes, if you did have a meditation technique that went that subtle, we would 
 have all the 
evidence that we need!
 
 
 It's one thing to wax philosophical about the unified field, it's quite 
 another to truly 
experience it. In order to do that we need to transcend the basic refresh 
rate of 
cognition, much like if you could blink fast enough and in the correct timing, 
you could 
see that the computer monitor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[mrfishey2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Since subtlety of meditation and the length or depth of meditation 
are measurable, presumably we can have some physical measurement. 
But can physical instruments capture the full breadth of what a 
person can experience? I think not. While I would be careful of 
assigning existence to phenomenon of any kind, certain subjective 
phenomenon have been repeatedly and predictably used for 
ascertaining refinement of perception for millenia. Perhaps what we 
need to realize is that objective science has it's limitations in 
the limitations of Scientific Materialist Dogma (reductionism and 
objectivism esp.). What is needed--and throughly robust side-by-side-
-is a pure subjective science. It is this pure subjective science 
that the pioneers of contemplative science (contemplative 
neuroscience and contemplative psychology) are attempting to bridge. 
With that paradigm shift could come a new species of evidence 
altogether.
 
All subtlety of meditation would prove is that we are capable of  
having high-resolution and vivid perception, it really wouldn't tell 
us any more objectively than that, other than it might have side  
benefits like reduction of negative emotions and so on. When 
combined with other attitudes outside of meditation proper, it can 
extend them into inter-meditational periods however and benefit 
overall living.

I don't know of any research on angels per se, but IME these are  
largely considered nyams or meditational experiences, but there are  
exceptions of course.



The new contemplative science will function no differently the old; 
both are formal representations – references, they point to 
something else. The difference is between having pain and hearing 
about pain. One is certain, the other arguable - the new paradigm 
only guarantees your further addiction to new evidence. 

I'll flag the humanities once more: A meticulously crafted aria 
seeks embodiment. Its purpose, though music and story, is to allow 
the listener the pleasure of discovery. The ear provides the heart 
with the opportunity to experience an essential aspect of its own 
being. The listener understands, however momentarily, that contained 
within her own consciousness are the potentialities for her own 
auricular brilliance. 

The aria is not a reference, but a lived experience.


---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
  dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
  
   essay Quantum Consciousness, Quantum Miracles, Quantum 
Failure. 
 It's 
   available here:
   
   http://www.geoffgilpin.com/pdfs/Quantum-Failure.pdf
  
 
 ruthsimplicity wrote:
   Reasonable, well thought out essay.  It is hard to argue that 
Gilpin
  has any kind of agenda.  I enjoyed his book too.  
  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu wrote:
 
  Really enjoyed the Essay.  Found myself reading the whole thing.  
Even
  went to Amazon to buy Geoffs book.  Used for $1.94.
 
 
 Maharishi Effect Quantum Failure Essay.
 
 Yes, it is a good read.  That is what i thought too in reading it. 
Well 
 written as an exploration
it is refreshing as original social criticism too for the FF TM 
 utopian experiment.  
 
 Pretty good synthesis of the TM experience here and thoughtful of 
what 
 is here.  Seems is pretty good at penetrating the situation  it 
stands 
 pretty good.
 
 Goodwill and Peace for all Humankind in this New Year,
 
 -Doug in FF

If it doesn't work then what are you doing there Doug ? I think it 
was Amma that commented on the extremely strong energies coming from 
the Domes, which parasites like yourself thrives on.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm curious - how many people here believe 
 consciousness is the fundamental substrate 
 of creation? If you do, what evidence do you
 put forth to back up your belief?


yeah, that's my experience  don't need to believe it.  Is just self-
evident. don't tend to think about it much, it just is. So it is. 
-D
  
 I'm inclined to say consciousness is indeed
 primary, and matter secondary, as Deepak
 Chopra phrased it. But I can't cite any
 really persuasive evidence from my own
 experience to back up the belief.
 
 I'm not trying to persuade anyone here -
 I just want to know what people in this
 forum think.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  essay Quantum Consciousness, Quantum Miracles, Quantum Failure. 
It's 
  available here:
  
  http://www.geoffgilpin.com/pdfs/Quantum-Failure.pdf
 


..

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[dhamiltony2k5]

Vaj wrote:

 
 
 Since subtlety of meditation and the length or depth of meditation 
are  
 measurable, presumably we can have some physical measurement.

Yes, and on that basis we do come back to:


The future for the 21st century is research published in respected
peer-reviewed scientific journals. Period.
Get used to it.
-OffWorld

And:

Jon Hagelin in the FF Ledger:
Extensive published research shows that coherence and positivity is
created in collective consciousness when a small number of people
practice the Transcendental Meditation and more advanced Yogic
Flying techniques together in a group-

The Invincible America Assembly is raising the quality of
collective
consciousness and behavior throughout society to be more
harmonious,
more life supporting. And Nature is responding more positively.

End of story
Hagelin in FFDailyLedger:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/157620





 But can  
 physical instruments capture the full breadth of what a person can  
 experience? I think not. While I would be careful of assigning  
 existence to phenomenon of any kind, certain subjective phenomenon  
 have been repeatedly and predictably used for ascertaining 
refinement  
 of perception for millenia. Perhaps what we need to realize is 
that  
 objective science has it's limitations in the limitations of  
 Scientific Materialist Dogma (reductionism and objectivism esp.). 
What  
 is needed--and throughly robust side-by-side--is a pure subjective  
 science. It is this pure subjective science that the pioneers of  
 contemplative science (contemplative neuroscience and 
contemplative  
 psychology) are attempting to bridge. With that paradigm shift 
could  
 come a new species of evidence altogether.
 
 All subtlety of meditation would prove is that we are capable of  
 having high-resolution and vivid perception, it really wouldn't 
tell  
 us any more objectively than that, other than it might have side  
 benefits like reduction of negative emotions and so on. When 
combined  
 with other attitudes outside of meditation proper, it can extend 
them  
 into inter-meditational periods however and benefit overall living.
 
 I don't know of any research on angels per se, but IME these are  
 largely considered nyams or meditational experiences, but there 
are  
 exceptions of course.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[Vaj]

On Dec 30, 2007, at 2:29 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:


Vaj wrote:



 Since subtlety of meditation and the length or depth of meditation
are
 measurable, presumably we can have some physical measurement.

Yes, and on that basis we do come back to:

The future for the 21st century is research published in respected
peer-reviewed scientific journals. Period.
Get used to it.
-OffWorld

And:

Jon Hagelin in the FF Ledger:
Extensive published research shows that coherence and positivity is
created in collective consciousness when a small number of people
practice the Transcendental Meditation and more advanced Yogic
Flying techniques together in a group-

The Invincible America Assembly is raising the quality of
collective
consciousness and behavior throughout society to be more
harmonious,
more life supporting. And Nature is responding more positively.

End of story



Fine and dandy if you actually accept what they're presenting. Most  
scientists are unimpressed.


After all, most of it is not science at all!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 What I am going to tell you about is what we teach our physics 
 students in the third or fourth year of graduate school... It is my 
 task to convince you not to turn away because you don't understand it. 
 You see my physics students don't understand it. ... That is because I 
 don't understand it. Nobody does.
 
 (Feynman, Richard P. Nobel Lecture, 1966, 1918-1988, QED, The Strange 
 Theory of Light and Matter)


It is one thing not to understand it, as in not being able to count on
your fingers to visualize that five plus five equals ten.  It is
another thing when people propose theories that do not make scientific
sense.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[Vaj]

On Dec 30, 2007, at 1:24 PM, mrfishey2001 wrote:


The new contemplative science will function no differently the old;
both are formal representations – references, they point to
something else. The difference is between having pain and hearing
about pain. One is certain, the other arguable - the new paradigm
only guarantees your further addiction to new evidence.



Naw. If you're following a tradition of continuous success in deep  
meditation (for example), the only evidence that has any meaning is  
whether or not you succeed at your particular practice! Most yogis  
could give two hoots about what their EEG says. (Unless of course it's  
an unscrupulous yogi and they're using it to bolster sales and  
marketing efforts...)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[Angela Mailander]

What did angels look like? 
Different every time.  The first
time I saw the phenomenon I can’t but call “angel,” I was fifteen years
old.  I’d rigged a large coffee can and a
Bunsen burner in the garage to make a small kiln and was enameling on
copper.  I like translucent enamels best,
but if you want to do cool blues and greens, you can’t really get that effect
on copper even if you put down a layer of flux first.  So I remembered that my 
mom (who was at work
killing dogs), had some small, sixteenth century silver plates—perfect for cool
blues and greens.   


 


The trouble was that sixteenth century silver is so pure
that it melted in my kiln.  Just before
it flowed into the bottom of the coffee can, it was incandescent liquid, yet
still held its form.  In that moment, it
came alive and indistinct from me, and while I still saw it as an “external”
object, its center and mine were one, and from that center exploded a sound like
a thousand silver bells.  That sound
expanded from my center, which was the silver, like ring-shaped waves in water 
(which was I)
spread out to infinity, repeating again and again.  The pleasure of those 
expanding “sound-rings”
was intense, all-consuming beyond imagining, and filled all my senses.


 


With the experience came knowledge, not separate in words,
but part and parcel of the experience itself, though to communicate it, I have
to translate into words.  I knew I saw
the angel that makes silver.  It is not
the case that the angel is one thing and silver is another.  The angel showed 
me how he creates himself as
silver.  I knew the process to be sacred
and saw that silver is not just silver but intelligence making itself into 
form.  I saw it emerge from a sacred ground of
nothing which was nothing, yet intelligent. 
I was an atheist at the time, so this was not something I was inclined
to add to the experience; the knowledge, as I said, was part of the experience.


 


Since then, I have had that kind of experience often, but it
is different each time in that the angel of silver has appeared only once.  But 
I have seen the angel of winter
wheat and the angel of purple cabbages, just for example--the world looks as if 
made of translucent light in such moments. 



 


I can see how, given experiences like that, we might be
tempted to say that “creation” or the “universe” or “multiverse” or whatever
you want to call it emerges from a field of pure consciousness, but I stand with
Curtis: Such experience is not evidence that the absolute vacuum state of the
quantum field is identical with pure consciousness, though it might be evidence
that the human mind is more mysterious than psychologists have fathomed.




- Original Message 
From: wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:12:21 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander 
mailander111@ ... wrote:



 Personal experience however subtle does not by itself count as evidence.  It 
 might 

satisfy you to see what you see.  I have seen what I can only call angels, but 
does that 

mean angels exist?  While the experience is groovy to the max, I wouldn't call 
it evidence.  

Some folks might be tempted to call it evidence that I'm nuts.  And, no, they 
didn't look 

like people and they didn't have wings.



What did they look like?

 

 - Original Message 

 From: Vaj vajranatha@ ...

 To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com

 Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:43:35 AM

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 On Dec 29, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:

 

 omments interleaved below.

 

  --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Vaj vajranatha@ ... wrote:

 

  

  On Dec 28, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:

  

   I'm curious - how many people here believe

   consciousness is the fundamental substrate

   of creation? If you do, what evidence do you

   put forth to back up your belief?

  

  While I would agree that consciousness, the alaya-vijnana, is the 

  basic substrate-conscious ness, my answer changes when you add of 

  creation. By of creation I take that to mean the physical universe. 

  Once we include the universe as a physical object and seek to identify 

  or intuit a unifying substrate that transcends AND includes 

  materiality it becomes a different answer. 

 

 I'm asking for viewpoints on Maharishi's teaching 

 that physical creation arises out of undifferentiated 

 consciousness. So yes, I'm wondering about a 

 substrate that transcends and includes materiality.

 

 Well then that would be like the consciousness only school where 
 consciousness is the 

creator.

 

  From any whole that 

  includes materiality I'd be forced to say prana is the unifying field 

  interconnecting all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[Vaj]

On Dec 30, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:

I can see how, given experiences like that, we might be tempted to  
say that “creation” or the “universe” or “multiverse” or whatever  
you want to call it emerges from a field of pure consciousness, but  
I stand with Curtis: Such experience is not evidence that the  
absolute vacuum state of the quantum field is identical with pure  
consciousness, though it might be evidence that the human mind is  
more mysterious than psychologists have fathomed.



If you've not read Itzhak Bentov, I think you'd love his writings, as  
they seem very in sync with what you're describing. His first work is  
Stalking the Wild Pendulum: On the Mechanics of Consciousness and A  
Brief Tour of Higher Consciousness: A Cosmic Book on the Mechanics of  
Creation. The best the TMO has had IMO!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I can see how, given experiences like that, we might be
 tempted to say that “creation” or the “universe” or
“multiverse” or whatever
 you want to call it emerges from a field of pure consciousness, but
I stand with
 Curtis: Such experience is not evidence that the absolute vacuum
state of the
 quantum field is identical with pure consciousness, though it might
be evidence
 that the human mind is more mysterious than psychologists have fathomed.
 
 
Psychologists have figured out a lot about behavior and have developed
substantiated theories as to why we do what we do.  But, most
psychologists will acknowledge we don't know much about the mind.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay

[Angela Mailander]

I knew Bentov.  His sister-in-law was a close friend, and she told me how he 
had told her sister, his wife, that a plane he was scheduled to take to a 
conference would crash and that everyone on board would be killed.  His wife 
said, Have you thought of driving to that conference? He said, No, it is my 
duty to be there on that plane.  I've read Stalking the Wild Pendulum, but not 
the others you mention.  i shall look for them.  

- Original Message 
From: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:05:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect Quantum-Failure Essay









  





On Dec 30, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:

I can see how, given experiences like that, we might be tempted to say that 
“creation” or the “universe” or “multiverse” or whatever you want to call it 
emerges from a field of pure consciousness, but I stand with Curtis: Such 
experience is not evidence that the absolute vacuum state of the quantum field 
is identical with pure consciousness, though it might be evidence that the 
human mind is more mysterious than psychologists have fathomed.



If you've not read Itzhak Bentov, I think you'd love his writings, as they seem 
very in sync with what you're describing. His first work is Stalking the Wild 
Pendulum: On the Mechanics of Consciousness and A Brief Tour of Higher 
Consciousness: A Cosmic Book on the Mechanics of Creation. The best the TMO 
has had IMO!


  







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