subject:"\[FairfieldLife\] Re\: SSRS\: 20 million\?"

On Jun 21, 2006, at 9:13 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! A few hundred thousand people (according to the reports Icould find) is not 2.5 million. SOunds like SSRS has taken a page from MMY's PR manual. Following is a pre-event announcement. 2 lakh = 200,000. This event has drawn international attention and over 2 lakh people are expected to take part in Mahakriya supervised by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. http://www.newindpress.com/2006/artofliving/index.asp The Aol sites reports: Watching the crowds, crossing one million every day for 3 days, (did any come for more than one day?) http://www.silverjubilee.org/index.htm Thanks, beautiful website for the event. Quite incredible. This is what I like to see in a worldwide movement! It sounds like it may have also been the largest mantra initiation in history: "Around 9.45 pm a pin drop silence descended as Sri Sri administered the meditation technique to the assembly." http://www.silverjubilee.org/day1.htm Wow--that is incredible. Just for the record, this was a *huge* spectacle, with lots of entertainment--music, singing, chanting, dancing--and speeches by prominent persons. Something for everybody, a great big party. At one point on the third evening he had the whole crowd doing the breathing techniques. That must have been a sight to behold. There's a picture of it at:http://www.silverjubilee.org/images/new/i1.jpg
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Vaj wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, new.morning wrote:
> >
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> 
>  He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive
> >> meditation
>  session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> A few hundred thousand people (according to the reports Icould 
find)
> >> is not 2.5 million.
> >>> SOunds like SSRS has taken a page from MMY's PR manual.
> >>
> >> Following is a pre-event announcement. 2 lakh = 200,000.
> >>
> >> This event has drawn international attention and over 2 lakh 
people
> >> are expected to take part in Mahakriya supervised by Sri Sri Ravi
> >> Shankar.
> >> http://www.newindpress.com/2006/artofliving/index.asp
> >>
> >>
> >> The Aol sites reports:
> >>
> >> Watching the crowds, crossing one million every day for 3 days,
> >>
> >> (did any come for more than one day?)
> >>
> >> http://www.silverjubilee.org/index.htm
> >
> >
> > Thanks, beautiful website for the event. Quite incredible. This 
is  
> > what I like to see in a worldwide movement!
> 
> 
> It sounds like it may have also been the largest mantra initiation 
in  
> history:
> 
> "Around 9.45 pm a pin drop silence descended as Sri Sri 
administered  
> the meditation technique to the assembly."
> 
> http://www.silverjubilee.org/day1.htm
> 
> Wow--that is incredible.

Just for the record, this was a *huge* spectacle, 
with lots of entertainment--music, singing, chanting,
dancing--and speeches by prominent persons.  Something
for everybody, a great big party.

At one point on the third evening he had the whole
crowd doing the breathing techniques.  That must have
been a sight to behold.




> 
> It seems clear to me after all this that M.'s earlier press  
> conference remarks was most likely referring to SSRS, not  
> independents. He was giving his blessing to SSRS...and boy did the  
> disciple follow through!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

In a message dated 6/21/06 11:05:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "shempmcgurk" ...> wrote:>> --- In 
  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  MDixon6569@ wrote:> >> > > > In a message dated 
  6/20/06 7:09:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > sparaig@ 
  writes:> > > > So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who 
  have pledged to only > teach TM > > under the > > 
  auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher?> > > 
  > Something "off" here.> > > > > > > 
  > > > Maybe not, he doesn't call it Transcendental 
  Meditation.> >> > ...then we are 
  satisfied...Basically what this means is that these "TM-teachers" that 
  Ravi Shankar has enlisted are liers, pretending to represent the Holy 
  Tradition. But what they are doing is feeding their egos and wallets. 
  Not very different from the so-called 
  "independents".>

I can't speak for SSRS but I bet he would consider himself the 
next step in the Holy Tradition. He claims that Maharishi told him to go and 
give this knowledge and gave him his blessings. There came a time when Guru 
Dev's master could do no more for him and sent him on his way. Does that mean 
Guru Dev was not allowed to teach the knowledge he had received from his master? 
Of course not. Once you possess the knowledge, it's your's to keep or 
share.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?



On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Vaj wrote:On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massivemeditationsession last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!A few hundred thousand people (according to the reports Icould find)is not 2.5 million. SOunds like SSRS has taken a page from MMY's PR manual.Following is a pre-event announcement. 2 lakh = 200,000.This event has drawn international attention and over 2 lakh peopleare expected to take part in Mahakriya supervised by Sri Sri RaviShankar. http://www.newindpress.com/2006/artofliving/index.aspThe Aol sites reports:Watching the crowds, crossing one million every day for 3 days, (did any come for more than one day?)http://www.silverjubilee.org/index.htmThanks, beautiful website for the event. Quite incredible. This is what I like to see in a worldwide movement!It sounds like it may have also been the largest mantra initiation in history:"Around 9.45 pm a pin drop silence descended as Sri Sri administered the meditation technique to the assembly."http://www.silverjubilee.org/day1.htmWow--that is incredible.It seems clear to me after all this that M.'s earlier press conference remarks was most likely referring to SSRS, not independents. He was giving his blessing to SSRS...and boy did the disciple follow through!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe he's dealing with people who are content 
> > > with trusting their own experiences, and who
> > > don't need to be shown no steenkin' badges
> > > (in the form of 'science') in order to believe
> > > those experiences.
> > 
> > That might be the case. One thing I have learned over the 
> > years is that my experiences are unreliable. *I* may think 
> > that something is so and it turns out to be otherwise. I may 
> > think that I am right and it turns out to be otherwise. 
> 
> I'm sorry that's been your experience. In general,
> mine has been the opposite. Almost every time I
> trusted my own intuition more than I trusted the
> advice of others, it has turned out to be a good
> decision.
> 
> > Of course, taking chances is the hallmark of a 
> > visionary, but when you're an ADHD/OCD, 
> > being a visionary is often oxymoronic.
> 
> I empathize. But part of me has to wonder which
> came first -- did the ADHD/OCD trigger the distrust
> of your own perceptions, or did the distrust of
> your own perceptions trigger the ADHD/OCD?
>

Heh. I used to go through a box of pencils a week when I was a kid. Often, had 
to take 5 
or 6 to school with me every day because I'd lose one per class period. I was 
bright 
enough that the teachers never notice3d my problems. Since I already knew most 
of what 
was being taught, the fact that I couldn't pay attention didn't register.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! A few hundred thousand people (according to the reports Icould find) is not 2.5 million. SOunds like SSRS has taken a page from MMY's PR manual. Following is a pre-event announcement. 2 lakh = 200,000. This event has drawn international attention and over 2 lakh people are expected to take part in Mahakriya supervised by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. http://www.newindpress.com/2006/artofliving/index.asp The Aol sites reports: Watching the crowds, crossing one million every day for 3 days, (did any come for more than one day?) http://www.silverjubilee.org/index.htm Thanks, beautiful website for the event. Quite incredible. This is what I like to see in a worldwide movement!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread new . morning

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> >  He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive
meditation
> >  session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> > 

> A few hundred thousand people (according to the reports Icould find)
is not 2.5 million. 
> SOunds like SSRS has taken a page from MMY's PR manual.

Following is a pre-event announcement. 2 lakh = 200,000.

This event has drawn international attention and over 2 lakh people
are expected to take part in Mahakriya supervised by Sri Sri Ravi
Shankar. 
http://www.newindpress.com/2006/artofliving/index.asp

The Aol sites reports:

Watching the crowds, crossing one million every day for 3 days, 

(did any come for more than one day?)

http://www.silverjubilee.org/index.htm

Indeed from pics at the above site, it looked like an impressive
event. But I too can't find much on it in the Indain press. It makes
me think the reports of the numbers were a bit fanciful. Though, their
other reporting is solid, hard-hitting, down-to-earth:

"Words cannot do justice to what HE [SSRS] is and His contribution to
the world. One thing that really touches the heart is the depth and
reach of Gurudev's work in rural India. As each moment and each day
passes, Gurudev's volunteer's and teachers are transforming the lives
of millions of people living in the villages and they are ready for
action whether it is Tsunami, Mumbai floods or earthquake in Kashmir.

Truly Gurudev has accomplished the ancient goal of one world family,
Vasudaiva Kutumbakam. To sum up Gurudev's work is just not possible,
for the work, like the Master, is beyond definition. He has inspired
millions across the globe, and it is His presence more than anything
that inspires and elevates and awakens love in everyone. We consider
ourselves blessed to be here with Him, to be a part of this grand
celebration of human values."

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

On Jun 21, 2006, at 12:01 PM, nablus108 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO... And whose teacher and organization refuse to allow them to teach, unless they spend several thousand dollars to be "recertified" at something they are already proficient in, give up their jobs, and agree to work full-time for a salary that never arrives in the mail. All of this so that they can *not* teach, because the technique is priced so high that no one sane would ever pay that much to learn it. Well, duh. If your calling is to teach meditation and the org you first signed up with actively prevents you from teaching meditation, you go where someone *will* allow you to teach. You folks who never taught meditation are sometimes awfully quick to demonize those who did, and want nothing more than to continue doing so... Dear friend, What Maharishi has done resently is a test. Just keep that desire to teach lively within you and it will be fulfilled. Jai Guru Dev PS: Don't hold your breath...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 6/21/06 12:16:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> One of Ammaâs senior swamis told me that SSRS made a  big show 
of doing a lot 
> of tsunami disaster relief in Sri Lanka, but when  Ammaâs crew 
got there to 
> do some actual work, officials complained to them  that the SSRS 
group had 
> apparently just been seeking publicity, and hadnât  actually 
done anything.  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Uh Oh! Guru wars!
>

Uh oh!

Guru pissing contests!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 20, 2006, at 9:18 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>>
> 
>  The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS  
>  which
>  says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> 
>  Is that more than TM?
> 
>  He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation
>  session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> 
>  Way to go Ravi!
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5
> >>> million person
> >>> meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of
> >>> people. And, unless most of
> >>> them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local
> >>> infrastructure. How many broken
> >>> sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open
> >>> sewers, etc? Where did the
> >>> water come from? The food? The parking? The housing?
> >>>
> >>
> >> The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--like
> >> him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the  
> > independent articles?
> 
> India newspapers. The aerial shots were interesting--they had these  
> huge video screens so the proceeds could be seen by more people. The  
> stage itself was 3.5 acres!
> 
> 6000 / 250 =  .24 %
>

A few hundred thousand people (according to the reports Icould find) is not 2.5 
million. 
SOunds like SSRS has taken a page from MMY's PR manual.






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In a message dated 6/21/06 12:16:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  One of Amma’s senior swamis told me that SSRS made a 
  big show of doing a lot of tsunami disaster relief in Sri Lanka, but when 
  Amma’s crew got there to do some actual work, officials complained to them 
  that the SSRS group had apparently just been seeking publicity, and hadn’t 
  actually done anything. 
   

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely 
> > > different perspective on SSRS.
> > 
> > One of the comments on this sounds just like the people 
> > complaining about MMY and the TMO:
> > 
> > ontheotherhand said...
> > How funny that one of angriest people I've ever met (SSRS) 
> > would preach to these people on anger and irritation affecting 
> > their actions. 
> 
> Who better?
> 
> Are you more comfortable with teachers who talk about
> things that they have no experience with? Celibate
> priests lecturing householders about sex?

Bogus analogy.

Generally speaking, when somebody claims to be able
to teach people how to overcome something negative,
it's assumed the person has had some success in
overcoming it him/herself.

Celibate priests don't tend to lecture householders
(married ones, at least) how to refrain from sex
entirely (and if they did, they'd be well qualified,
assuming they were able to maintain celibacy 
themselves).

> It seems to me that someone who has had some exper-
> ience with anger and its debilitating effects would
> be the perfect person to talk about it.

But Sri Sri talks about how *not* to be angry, you
see.  If he is still an obviously angry person himself,
there's reason to be skeptical that he would be the
perfect person to teach others how not to be angry.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Maybe he's dealing with people who are content 
> > with trusting their own experiences, and who
> > don't need to be shown no steenkin' badges
> > (in the form of 'science') in order to believe
> > those experiences.
> 
> That might be the case. One thing I have learned over the 
> years is that my experiences are unreliable. *I* may think 
> that something is so and it turns out to be otherwise. I may 
> think that I am right and it turns out to be otherwise. 

I'm sorry that's been your experience. In general,
mine has been the opposite. Almost every time I
trusted my own intuition more than I trusted the
advice of others, it has turned out to be a good
decision.

> Of course, taking chances is the hallmark of a 
> visionary, but when you're an ADHD/OCD, 
> being a visionary is often oxymoronic.

I empathize. But part of me has to wonder which
came first -- did the ADHD/OCD trigger the distrust
of your own perceptions, or did the distrust of
your own perceptions trigger the ADHD/OCD?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 6/21/06 12:45 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> > I think selfless, simple, non-PR-focussed, group service projects 
> > by any spriritually oriented group, are a great way to create
> > word-or-mouth and good buzz about a particular program.
> > 
> They can also be very good for the participants¹ evolution. 
> Ego-attenuating; heart-developing.

Indeed. That may be the thing that the former TM
teachers who teach through that organization are
seeking -- the chance to put some energy back 
into a system that has given them so much.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 6/21/06 12:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > Didn't MMY once say when talking about building SV communities 
that they
> > couldn't all be mansions, that even the poor people have to have a 
place to
> > live? Well since MMY wants only to teach TM to the rich, I guess 
somebody has
> > to be able to teach it to the poor thus we have the AOL 
organization.
>  
> MMY once referred to SV as ³entertainment for the wealthy.²
>

...and now it's the solution of all of life's problems if recent MMY 
pronouncements are to be believed...

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?







In a message dated 6/21/06 1:48:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  on 
  6/21/06 12:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  
  Didn't MMY once say when talking 
about building SV communities that they couldn't all be mansions, that even 
the poor people have to have a place to live? Well since MMY wants only to 
teach TM to the rich, I guess somebody has to be able to teach it to the 
poor thus we have the AOL 
  organization.MMY once 
  referred to SV as “entertainment for the wealthy.” 
  

Obviously MMY wants to focus his attention only on the wealthy 
in his last remaining years perhaps polishing up a few disciples to carry on for 
him. It almost seems to me as if he has directly or indirectly handed off the 
torch of meditation for the masses to somebody with the youth, energy and 
ability to  willing to do so.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

It was not in the article, it was what MDixon said Trigunaji commented on, that people who practiced the Sudarshan Kriya had lots of prana:"A TM teacher friend that knew several people that also did Sudarshana Kriya, said that Triguna used to remark how the people that did that kriya had such an abundance of prana. Supposedly it also made TM and Sidhi practice much more powerful, more energy."On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:46 AM, wayback71 wrote: Vaj - what did Triguna say in the article about SSRS? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. snip In terms of technical and practical reasons, SSRS's sadhanas are a step up from TM--perhaps we should look at it as an evolving lineage coming from SBS and M. and the old technique (of TM) improving (interestingly through the yogic cognition of SSRS, who cognized the Sudarshan kriya). It's certainly clear (comparing the two) which one nature's supporting and which one is fadin' away... Interesting comments by Trigunaji too, love it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 6/21/06 2:21 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > , Bhairitu  wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> > >
> >> > And do they teach a more about Indian philosophy and traditions than TM
> >> > ever did?  I know quite a few people that walked away from TM because
> >> > they wanted to know more of this and there wasn't that much outside of
> >> > the Gita commentary.
> >> >
> > 
> > What, a PhD in Vedic Science isn't enough?
> > 
> You know how you get those? You read all the Vedic literature in Sanskrit,
> even though you don¹t know what you¹re reading (because you don¹t speak
> Sanskrit).
>

That's one of 4 branches of the program, it turns out. It's an interesting 
concept.

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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

on 6/21/06 2:21 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> >
> And do they teach a more about Indian philosophy and traditions than TM 
> ever did?  I know quite a few people that walked away from TM because 
> they wanted to know more of this and there wasn't that much outside of 
> the Gita commentary.
>

What, a PhD in Vedic Science isn't enough?

You know how you get those? You read all the Vedic literature in Sanskrit, even though you don’t know what you’re reading (because you don’t speak Sanskrit).

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> >
> And do they teach a more about Indian philosophy and traditions than TM 
> ever did?  I know quite a few people that walked away from TM because 
> they wanted to know more of this and there wasn't that much outside of 
> the Gita commentary.
>

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In a message dated 6/21/06 1:26:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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He may 
  not have the credentials to be *saint* but he has the credentials to be a 
  guru. Westerners have perverted the meaning of "guru" which means someone 
  who has mastered something and teaches it. If you mastered a certain style 
  of playing guitar and people wanted to learn from you then you are a 
  genuine "guru" of that method. Westerners don't want gurus but "pop 
  saints."

From my personal experience, I would put him in the category 
of Saint. I have been to see him speak twice and found him absolutely 
glowing.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS 
> which
> > > >> says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> > > >>
> > > >> Is that more than TM?
> > > >>
> > > >> He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive 
> meditation
> > > >> session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> > > >>
> > > >> Way to go Ravi!
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 
> 2.5  
> > > > million person
> > > > meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering 
> of  
> > > > people. And, unless most of
> > > > them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local  
> > > > infrastructure. How many broken
> > > > sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open  
> > > > sewers, etc? Where did the
> > > > water come from? The food? The parking? The housing?
> > > 
> > > The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--
> like  
> > > him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc.
> > >
> > 
> > The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the 
> independent articles?
> >
> This Ravi Shankar thing is mainly moodmaking; look into each others 
> eyes and tell them you love them, hold each others hands and form a 
> circle, blabla etcetc. The technique is far from what has been 
> described as TM+advanced technique; it's just a simple pranayama, and 
> Ravi is just a simple, but probably nice fellow that needs to do some 
> serious sadhana.
>  
> In a talkshow I watched in India he was asked how it felt to be a 
> guru. He blushed intensely, denying he was a guru, the whole thing 
> got very comical. The fellow abviously wants to be a guru, but does 
> not have the credidentials.
>

Sounds like he's very popular though, which means he gives people something 
they want.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread wayback71


Vaj - what did Triguna say in the article about SSRS?
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >> The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which
> >> says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> >>

snip 
> In terms of technical and practical reasons, SSRS's sadhanas are a  
> step up from TM--perhaps we should look at it as an evolving lineage  
> coming from SBS and M. and the old technique (of TM) improving  
> (interestingly through the yogic cognition of SSRS, who cognized the  
> Sudarshan kriya).
> 
> It's certainly clear (comparing the two) which one nature's  
> supporting and which one is fadin' away...
> 
> Interesting comments by Trigunaji too, love it.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to 
> > only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO...
> 
> And whose teacher and organization refuse to allow 
> them to teach, unless they spend several thousand
> dollars to be "recertified" at something they are
> already proficient in, give up their jobs, and 
> agree to work full-time for a salary that never
> arrives in the mail. All of this so that they 
> can *not* teach, because the technique is priced
> so high that no one sane would ever pay that much
> to learn it.
> 
> Well, duh. If your calling is to teach meditation
> and the org you first signed up with actively 
> prevents you from teaching meditation, you go
> where someone *will* allow you to teach.
> 
> You folks who never taught meditation are sometimes
> awfully quick to demonize those who did, and want 
> nothing more than to continue doing so...
>

You people who aren't part of an organization and haven't been for many years 
are quite 
quick to demonize said organization...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread Sal Sunshine

How entertaining can it be sitting in a home that has all the warmth of Fort Knox?

Sal


On Jun 21, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

 MMY once referred to SV as “entertainment for the wealthy.”  __._,_.___

[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS 
> > > which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> > > 
> > > Is that more than TM?
> > 
> > Waay more.
> > 
> > > He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation  
> > > session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> > 
> > So where's the research on his meditation technique?
> 
> Maybe he's dealing with people who are content 
> with trusting their own experiences, and who
> don't need to be shown no steenkin' badges
> (in the form of 'science') in order to believe
> those experiences.
>

That might be the case. One thing I have learned over the years is that my 
experiences are 
unreliable. *I* may think that something is so and it turns out to be 
otherwise. I my think 
that I am right and it turns out to be otherwise. 

Of course, taking chances is the hallmark of a visionary, but when you're an 
ADHD/OCD, 
being a visionary is often oxymoronic.

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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

on 6/21/06 12:45 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 6/21/06 7:03 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>  
> >> 
> >> The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the
independent
> >> articles?
> >>  
> One of Amma’s senior swamis told me that SSRS made a big show of
doing a lot
> of tsunami disaster relief in Sri Lanka, but when Amma’s crew got
there to
> do some actual work, officials complained to them that the SSRS
group had
> apparently just been seeking publicity, and hadn’t actually done
anything.
>

I think selfless, simple, non-PR-focussed, group service projects by
any spriritually oriented group, are a great way to create
word-or-mouth and good buzz about a particular program. 

They can also be very good for the participants’ evolution. Ego-attenuating; heart-developing.

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on 6/21/06 12:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Didn't MMY once say when talking about building SV communities that they couldn't all be mansions, that even the poor people have to have a place to live? Well since MMY wants only to teach TM to the rich, I guess somebody has to be able to teach it to the poor thus we have the AOL organization.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread jyouells2000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Didn't MMY once say when talking about building SV communities  that
they 
> couldn't all be mansions, that even the poor people have to have a 
place to 
> live? Well since MMY wants only to teach TM to the rich, I guess 
somebody has to 
> be able to teach it to the poor thus we have the AOL  organization.
>

+5 funny

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On Jun 21, 2006, at 12:48 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS  which   says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.  Is that more than TM?  He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation   session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!  Way to go Ravi!   Did you know that Norah Jones is his illegitimate daughter? Way to go Ravi!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread Bhairitu

nablus108 wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:


>The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS 
>  
>
>which
>  
>
>says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
>
>Is that more than TM?
>
>He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive 
>  
>
>meditation
>  
>
>session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
>
>Way to go Ravi!
>
>  
>
BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 


>2.5  
>  
>
million person
meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering 


>of  
>  
>
people. And, unless most of
them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local  
infrastructure. How many broken
sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open  
sewers, etc? Where did the
water come from? The food? The parking? The housing?


>>>The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--
>>>  
>>>
>like  
>  
>
>>>him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the 
>>
>>
>independent articles?
>  
>
>This Ravi Shankar thing is mainly moodmaking; look into each others 
>eyes and tell them you love them, hold each others hands and form a 
>circle, blabla etcetc. The technique is far from what has been 
>described as TM+advanced technique; it's just a simple pranayama, and 
>Ravi is just a simple, but probably nice fellow that needs to do some 
>serious sadhana.
> 
>In a talkshow I watched in India he was asked how it felt to be a 
>guru. He blushed intensely, denying he was a guru, the whole thing 
>got very comical. The fellow abviously wants to be a guru, but does 
>not have the credidentials.
>  
>
He may not have the credentials to be *saint* but he has the credentials 
to be a guru.  Westerners have perverted the meaning of "guru" which 
means someone who has mastered something and teaches it.  If you 
mastered a certain style of playing guitar and people wanted to learn 
from you then you are a genuine "guru" of that method.  Westerners don't 
want gurus but "pop saints."




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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread new_morning_blank_slate

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > > In a message dated 6/20/06 7:09:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > > sparaig@ writes:
> > > 
> > > So SSRS  only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only 
> > teach TM 
> > > under the  
> > > auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher?
> > > 
> > > Something  "off" here.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Maybe not, he doesn't call it Transcendental  Meditation.
> > >
> > 
> > ...then we are satisfied...
> 
> Basically what this means is that these "TM-teachers" that Ravi 
> Shankar has enlisted are liers, pretending to represent the Holy 
> Tradition. But what they are doing is feeding their egos and wallets. 
> Not very different from the so-called "independents".
> >

There appers to be a core of anger in your posts -- perhaps not --
appearances can b e deceiving. 

Regardless, AFAIK, all $250 of the AoL fee goes to the organization.
The teachers all teach for free. Out of the joy of teaching. And
passing on something good to others.

So its not  feeding their wallets. Why you also feel it is feeding
thier egos is also a mystery.  My impression of meeting a lot  of AoL
teachers is that its not an ego thing at all. There is not the sharp
TMO class hierarchy status thing (particularly prevalent prior to
citizen sidhas) of being a "teacher". They simply like teaching a
program that helps people. Who doesn't? 

Are you basing your "ego" comments on your having met and worked with
20-50 + AoL teachers? Have you met any? If not, then it would appear
that your comments are not based on observed reality, but something in
your head. Perhaps good to figure out what that is. 

Or, if it leads to greater happiness to continue to have that rattling
around inside, go for it.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread new_morning_blank_slate

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 6/21/06 7:03 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>  
> >> 
> >> The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the
independent
> >> articles?
> >>  
> One of Amma¹s senior swamis told me that SSRS made a big show of
doing a lot
> of tsunami disaster relief in Sri Lanka, but when Amma¹s crew got
there to
> do some actual work, officials complained to them that the SSRS
group had
> apparently just been seeking publicity, and hadn¹t actually done
anything.
>

I think selfless, simple, non-PR-focussed, group service projects by
any spriritually oriented group, are a great way to create
word-or-mouth and good buzz about a particular program. 

Ironically, when I was more directly involved with AoL in the mid
90's, I used to recommend that -- instead of more direct promotion
that SSRS was suggesting at that paticualar time (paraphrasing "the
program is the highest need of the world today, thus promoting it is
the highest seva. Better to promote AoL as seva than other things").
That sounded SO familiar and was part of my distncing process from AoL
(Though I still think highly of SSRS as a teacher, mentor, friend and
presence.) I was quite tired of the TM proselytizing ethos in the TMO,
and particularly as a TM teacher. 

And this mid-90's directive does not seem to be universal in AoL.
Since then, I have seen some community public AoL projects. And I know
of some who do a lot of good NGO work in thrid world countries under
auspiciouses of AoL -- but focus on the seva. And they have (had ..
not sure of current status) prison program, childrens programs in
India, etc. 

So for AoL its a mixed bag. On a spectrum, perhaps the TMO is on one
end, Amma's group on the other, and AoL somewhere in the middle as far
as selfless community group projects. Though I would guess even Amma's
group is not perfect in this regard -- I have heard some PR-focus and
oddities there too. 

So your comments about AoL's recent PR focuss don't surprise me.
Particularly given the trend I have viewed, from afar, in the past 10
years, that AoL has more and more "bliss-ninnies" aka mood-maker types
-- who are REALLY devoted to "this highest teaching" and "Best 
Master", etc. Its about "the Big Thing I am involved in" and less the
practice and seva. In such an environment, the ends begin to justify
the means. PR trumps substance in seva projects. Its too bad. 

The phenomenon occurs in mainstream religions. The catholic church,
and evangelicals, have done a lot of great seva type things. But often
with strong strings attached. It appears that PR/conversion-focussed
seva is a downer and often backfires -- regardless of the organization.

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Didn't MMY once say when talking about building SV communities 
that they couldn't all be mansions, that even the poor people have to have a 
place to live? Well since MMY wants only to teach TM to the rich, I guess 
somebody has to be able to teach it to the poor thus we have the AOL 
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The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent articles?
 
One of Amma’s senior swamis told me that SSRS made a big show of doing a lot of tsunami disaster relief in Sri Lanka, but when Amma’s crew got there to do some actual work, officials complained to them that the SSRS group had apparently just been seeking publicity, and hadn’t actually done anything.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to 
> > > only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO...
> > 
> > And whose teacher and organization refuse to allow 
> > them to teach, unless they spend several thousand
> > dollars to be "recertified" at something they are
> > already proficient in, give up their jobs, and 
> > agree to work full-time for a salary that never
> > arrives in the mail. All of this so that they 
> > can *not* teach, because the technique is priced
> > so high that no one sane would ever pay that much
> > to learn it.
> > 
> > Well, duh. If your calling is to teach meditation
> > and the org you first signed up with actively 
> > prevents you from teaching meditation, you go
> > where someone *will* allow you to teach.
> > 
> > You folks who never taught meditation are sometimes
> > awfully quick to demonize those who did, and want 
> > nothing more than to continue doing so...
>
> Dear friend,
> What Maharishi has done resently is a test. Just keep that  
> desire to teach lively within you and it will be fulfilled.
> Jai Guru Dev

You actually sound sincere (as opposed to your
normal condescension), so I will reply enough
to let you know that I personally have no 
desire to ever teach TM again. But I know that
there are many who do, and are prevented from
doing so by Maharishi.

If he really devised his current strategy as a
'test,' fuck him. His neurotic need to know
who is loyal to him is not more important than
the world's need for meditation.

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In a message dated 6/21/06 10:35:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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The 
  technique is far from what has been described as TM+advanced technique; 
  it's just a simple pranayama, and Ravi is just a simple, but probably nice 
  fellow that needs to do some serious sadhana.

Wrong. The Sudarshana Kriya technique is the series of 
breathing techniques. But he also teaches what he calls Sahaja Samadhi 
meditation, which is the TM technique as it is taught in India, which combines 
what we learn in the west  as TM plus one of the advanced techniques, so 
I'm told.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread nablus108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to 
> > only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO...
> 
> And whose teacher and organization refuse to allow 
> them to teach, unless they spend several thousand
> dollars to be "recertified" at something they are
> already proficient in, give up their jobs, and 
> agree to work full-time for a salary that never
> arrives in the mail. All of this so that they 
> can *not* teach, because the technique is priced
> so high that no one sane would ever pay that much
> to learn it.
> 
> Well, duh. If your calling is to teach meditation
> and the org you first signed up with actively 
> prevents you from teaching meditation, you go
> where someone *will* allow you to teach.
> 
> You folks who never taught meditation are sometimes
> awfully quick to demonize those who did, and want 
> nothing more than to continue doing so...
>
Dear friend,
What Maharishi has done resently is a test. Just keep that desire to 
teach lively within you and it will be fulfilled.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

On Jun 20, 2006, at 9:18 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi!BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--like him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc. The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent articles? India newspapers. The aerial shots were interesting--they had these huge video screens so the proceeds could be seen by more people. The stage itself was 3.5 acres!6000 / 250 = .24 %
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread nablus108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> > In a message dated 6/20/06 7:09:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > sparaig@ writes:
> > 
> > So SSRS  only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only 
> teach TM 
> > under the  
> > auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher?
> > 
> > Something  "off" here.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Maybe not, he doesn't call it Transcendental  Meditation.
> >
> 
> ...then we are satisfied...

Basically what this means is that these "TM-teachers" that Ravi 
Shankar has enlisted are liers, pretending to represent the Holy 
Tradition. But what they are doing is feeding their egos and wallets. 
Not very different from the so-called "independents".
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-21 Thread nablus108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS 
which
> > >> says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> > >>
> > >> Is that more than TM?
> > >>
> > >> He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive 
meditation
> > >> session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> > >>
> > >> Way to go Ravi!
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 
2.5  
> > > million person
> > > meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering 
of  
> > > people. And, unless most of
> > > them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local  
> > > infrastructure. How many broken
> > > sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open  
> > > sewers, etc? Where did the
> > > water come from? The food? The parking? The housing?
> > 
> > The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--
like  
> > him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc.
> >
> 
> The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the 
independent articles?
>
This Ravi Shankar thing is mainly moodmaking; look into each others 
eyes and tell them you love them, hold each others hands and form a 
circle, blabla etcetc. The technique is far from what has been 
described as TM+advanced technique; it's just a simple pranayama, and 
Ravi is just a simple, but probably nice fellow that needs to do some 
serious sadhana.
 
In a talkshow I watched in India he was asked how it felt to be a 
guru. He blushed intensely, denying he was a guru, the whole thing 
got very comical. The fellow abviously wants to be a guru, but does 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS 
> > which  
> > says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> > 
> > Is that more than TM?
> > 
> > He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation  
> > session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> > 
> > Way to go Ravi!
> 
> Did you know that Norah Jones is his illegitimate daughter?

I'm hoping you meant that as a joke. :-)

She is the daughter of the other Ravi
Shankar, the musician.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to 
> only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO...

And whose teacher and organization refuse to allow 
them to teach, unless they spend several thousand
dollars to be "recertified" at something they are
already proficient in, give up their jobs, and 
agree to work full-time for a salary that never
arrives in the mail. All of this so that they 
can *not* teach, because the technique is priced
so high that no one sane would ever pay that much
to learn it.

Well, duh. If your calling is to teach meditation
and the org you first signed up with actively 
prevents you from teaching meditation, you go
where someone *will* allow you to teach.

You folks who never taught meditation are sometimes
awfully quick to demonize those who did, and want 
nothing more than to continue doing so...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
 wrote:
> >
> > Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely 
> > different perspective on SSRS.
> 
> One of the comments on this sounds just like the people 
> complaining about MMY and the TMO:
> 
> ontheotherhand said...
> How funny that one of angriest people I've ever met (SSRS) 
> would preach to these people on anger and irritation affecting 
> their actions. 

Who better?

Are you more comfortable with teachers who talk about
things that they have no experience with? Celibate
priests lecturing householders about sex? 

It seems to me that someone who has had some exper-
ience with anger and its debilitating effects would
be the perfect person to talk about it.

As much as I appreciate the humor at Jody's site,
I don't think he (?) sees the world through colorless
glasses. All of his (?) rants seem pretty much the
same, no matter who he is talking about. In other
words, he's ranting about the things he's not comfort-
able with in himself, as projected onto others. Me,
I'd be happier with someone who realizes that he's
just as human as anyone else, and can talk about what
he's learned from doing things the stupid way.

Chogyam Trungpa used to speak of his teachings as
"The path of fucking up." Meaning that he felt that
he and his students tended to learn much more from
their 'mistakes' in life than they learned from their
'successes.' 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS 
> > which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> > 
> > Is that more than TM?
> 
> Waay more.
> 
> > He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation  
> > session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> 
> So where's the research on his meditation technique?

Maybe he's dealing with people who are content 
with trusting their own experiences, and who
don't need to be shown no steenkin' badges
(in the form of 'science') in order to believe
those experiences.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS 
> > which  
> > > says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> > > 
> > > Is that more than TM?
> > > 
> > > He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive 
meditation  
> > > session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> > > 
> > > Way to go Ravi!
> > >
> > 
> > Did you know that Norah Jones is his illegitimate daughter?
> >
> No, she's the sitarist's daughter.
>

Oh.

Never mind.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-20 Thread Rick Archer

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS 
> which  
> > says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> > 
> > Is that more than TM?
> > 
> > He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation  
> > session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> > 
> > Way to go Ravi!
> >
> 
> Did you know that Norah Jones is his illegitimate daughter?
>
No, she's the sitarist's daughter.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> > In a message dated 6/20/06 6:08:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > sparaig@ writes:
> > 
> >  
> > He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them 
do a puja  to 
> > MMY?
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Very much so. He has the initiators do the same Puja they were  
trained to 
> > do.
> >
> 
> Sometimes I think I've wandered into a new TV show: The TM Zone...
>

No, you've pretty much been there the past 3 years...

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 6/20/06 7:09:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> So SSRS  only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only 
teach TM 
> under the  
> auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher?
> 
> Something  "off" here.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe not, he doesn't call it Transcendental  Meditation.
>

...then we are satisfied...

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 6/20/06 6:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
> He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation 
> >  session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> > 
> > Way to  go Ravi!
> >
> 
> BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper  coverageof this 
2.5 million 
> person 
> meditation. Even by Hindu standards,  that's a HUGE gathering of 
people. And, 
> unless most of 
> them are from  Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local 
infrastructure. 
> How many broken  
> sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open 
sewers, etc?  
> Where did the 
> water come from? The food? The parking? The  housing?
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Some AOL people from Houston told me that people went  there from 
all over 
> the world and they had been aware of planning for months.  But I 
would imagine 
> the overwhelming majority were Indian and living close to  
Bangalore. It would 
> be interesting to know how everybody was  accomadated.
>

Nobody from Compuserve or Netzero?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 6/20/06 5:21:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> It  wasn't enough that 
> they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you  turned on the 
heat 
> (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette  smoke to 
choke 
> an elephant--they then pulled Trick 
> 
> 
> I had this exact same problem on my Sidhi Flying course.  Smoker 
room in DC 
> and got bronchitis and was generally miserable and coughing  the 
whole time. 
> Coughing so much I couldn't settle in Meditation. I left DC with  
a fever.
>

Yeah, but at least you left with that satisfying taste that only a 
Winston can provide.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS 
which  
> > says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> > 
> > Is that more than TM?
> > 
> > He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive 
meditation  
> > session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> > 
> > Way to go Ravi!
> >
> 
> 
> BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 
million person 
> meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of 
people.



No it's not.  That many fetuses are aborted in India on a long 
weekend.




> And, unless most of 
> them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local 
infrastructure. How many broken 
> sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open 
sewers, etc? Where did the 
> water come from? The food? The parking? The housing?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely 
different
> > > perspective on SSRS.
> > 
> > Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all
> > the mistakes taken out?
> >
> 
> He's his own man with his own mistakes, obviously.
> 
> People seem to forget that its EASY being a saint when you live in 
a cave.
>

My mother always said I was a saint and I never lived in a cave.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS 
which  
> says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> 
> Is that more than TM?
> 
> He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation  
> session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> 
> Way to go Ravi!
>

Did you know that Norah Jones is his illegitimate daughter?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> While I have no real qualms with SSRS himself, his organization, 
at 
> least when I was involved (which was only for a little over a year 
in 
> the 90s), almost made the TMO look good--and that ain't easy.  On 
the 
> first course I took, without telling us before hand, they made the 
> announcement at the first meeting that we would all be on a fruit 
diet, 
> for the entire course--6 days.  Not only was that a dirty trick 
(IMO of 
> course--perhaps others liked it) but couldn't that possibly affect 
> someone's health, if they were diabetic, or had digestive 
problems?  To 
> make matters worse, I and a number of others were housed in the 
> building adjacent to his...with the lovely smell of delicious 
Indian 
> food wafting over 3 times daily.  Try fasting with **that** 
happening.  
> Anyway, of course we cheated--why not, he was--and went into town 
where 
> I and a few others had at least a couple of decent meals.  But we 
sure 
> didn't appreciate having to shell out yet more $$ after having 
paid for 
> room and board for the course...the worst part being, IMO, that 
nobody 
> had bothered to tell us beforehand--a deliberate omission, because 
they 
> were afraid nobody would come otherwise? Who knows.  Then there 
were 
> the meetings themselves, at which any number of people would be 
> fighting with each other--literally--to sit as close to the front 
as 
> possible.
> 
> The second course, the one in Pittsburgh, was another 
classic "Oops, 
> they did it again..." scenario.  This one was so bad it would make 
a 
> great plot for a movie where nothing goes right.  It wasn't enough 
that 
> they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the 
heat 
> (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to 
choke 
> an elephant--they then pulled Trick #2.  Into tiny rooms in which 
we 
> barely had enough space to walk, those of us on the long part of 
the 
> course (6 days) then had to share whatever microscopic amount of 
free 
> space was left with the 2-day course participants--I doubt they 
knew 
> that was going to happen, and I know we didn't.  Add to that that 
there 
> were a couple of TM vagrants who hadn't registered and were 
staying at 
> the hotel illegally, seriously ticking off the management, and you 
have 
> the makings for, possibly, the Worst Course Ever.
> 
> I have no idea how much of all of this SSRS knew about, but it was 
his 
> organization and he does bear some of the responsibility.  On a 
> personal level, I felt he was much warmer and more approachable 
than 
> MMY.  But after those two disasters, I pretty much gave up on all 
of 
> them.
> 
> Sal




Perhaps you should try Jesus...or masturbation.



> 
> 
> On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:26 PM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely 
different
> >> perspective on SSRS.
> >
> > Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all
> > the mistakes taken out?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-20 Thread jyouells2000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> > In a message dated 6/20/06 6:08:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > sparaig@ writes:
> > 
> >  
> > He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do
a puja  to 
> > MMY?
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Very much so. He has the initiators do the same Puja they were 
trained to 
> > do.
> >
> 
> Sometimes I think I've wandered into a new TV show: The TM Zone...
>

Just make sure it faces the right way ... :)

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-20 Thread Vaj

On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:05 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? Waay more.Yep, thought so--must be increasing charm... He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! So where's the research on his meditation technique?Use to be on the AoL site, but there is not as much an emphasis on scientific PR that I see in his movement.In terms of technical and practical reasons, SSRS's sadhanas are a step up from TM--perhaps we should look at it as an evolving lineage coming from SBS and M. and the old technique (of TM) improving (interestingly through the yogic cognition of SSRS, who cognized the Sudarshan kriya). It's certainly clear (comparing the two) which one nature's supporting and which one is fadin' away...Interesting comments by Trigunaji too, love it. Way to go Ravi!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >> The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which
> >> says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> >>
> >> Is that more than TM?
> >>
> >> He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation
> >> session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> >>
> >> Way to go Ravi!
> >>
> >
> >
> > BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5  
> > million person
> > meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of  
> > people. And, unless most of
> > them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local  
> > infrastructure. How many broken
> > sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open  
> > sewers, etc? Where did the
> > water come from? The food? The parking? The housing?
> 
> The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--like  
> him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc.
>

The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent 
articles?









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-20 Thread Vaj

On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi!BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--like him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-20 Thread Sal Sunshine

It seemed especially ironic that this occurred during a course that emphasized a breathing technique.

Sal

On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 6/20/06 5:21:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It wasn't enough that 
they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat 
(it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke 
an elephant--they then pulled Trick
I had this exact same problem on my Sidhi Flying course. Smoker room in DC and got bronchitis and was generally miserable and coughing the whole time. Coughing so much I couldn't settle in Meditation. I left DC with a fever.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 6/20/06 6:08:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
> He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja  to 
> MMY?
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Very much so. He has the initiators do the same Puja they were  trained to 
> do.
>

Sometimes I think I've wandered into a new TV show: The TM Zone...

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So SSRS 
  only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the 
  auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher?Something 
  "off" here.

Maybe not, he doesn't call it Transcendental 
Meditation.
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  He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja 
  to MMY? 

Very much so. He has the initiators do the same Puja they were 
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In a message dated 6/20/06 6:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation > 
  session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!> > Way to 
  go Ravi!>BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper 
  coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, 
  that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from 
  Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken 
  sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? 
  Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The 
  housing? 

Some AOL people from Houston told me that people went 
there from all over the world and they had been aware of planning for months. 
But I would imagine the overwhelming majority were Indian and living close to 
Bangalore. It would be interesting to know how everybody was 
accomadated.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 6/20/06 4:00:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> Vaj wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   wrote:
> >
> >> And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his  techniques and will 
> >> accept what you can afford if you have a  problem with the course 
> >> fee. He has no shortage of people  learning either. He has TM 
> >> teachers teach his meditation which I  understand is TM+ an advanced 
> >>  technique.
> >
> >
> >
> > That's my understanding as  well.
> 
> What is TM+ and do people feel they get good results from  it?
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I've spoken to only a few people associated with SSRS and they  seem to be 
> very happy with the knowledge they get. I have heard, and I can't  vouch for 
> this that SSRS uses TM teachers who do Puja to Guru Dev and teach TM  as it 
> is 
> taught in India which includes one advanced technique. But this is  taught 
> only 
> after one has learned the Sudarshana  Kriya.
>

So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under 
the 
auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher?

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It 
  wasn't enough that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you 
  turned on the heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette 
  smoke to choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick 


I had this exact same problem on my Sidhi Flying course. 
Smoker room in DC and got bronchitis and was generally miserable and coughing 
the whole time. Coughing so much I couldn't settle in Meditation. I left DC with 
a fever.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which  
> says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation.
> 
> Is that more than TM?
> 
> He's also had  2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation  
> session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!
> 
> Way to go Ravi!
>

BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million 
person 
meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, 
unless most of 
them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How 
many broken 
sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? 
Where did the 
water come from? The food? The parking? The housing?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different
> > perspective on SSRS.
> 
> Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all
> the mistakes taken out?
>

He's his own man with his own mistakes, obviously.

People seem to forget that its EASY being a saint when you live in a cave.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

2006-06-20 Thread Bhairitu

Funky!

Sal Sunshine wrote:

> While I have no real qualms with SSRS himself, his organization, at 
> least when I was involved (which was only for a little over a year in 
> the 90s), almost made the TMO look good--and that ain't easy.  On the 
> first course I took, without telling us before hand, they made the 
> announcement at the first meeting that we would all be on a fruit 
> diet, for the entire course--6 days.  Not only was that a dirty trick 
> (IMO of course--perhaps others liked it) but couldn't that possibly 
> affect someone's health, if they were diabetic, or had digestive 
> problems?  To make matters worse, I and a number of others were housed 
> in the building adjacent to his...with the lovely smell of delicious 
> Indian food wafting over 3 times daily.  Try fasting with **that** 
> happening.  Anyway, of course we cheated--why not, he was--and went 
> into town where I and a few others had at least a couple of decent 
> meals.  But we sure didn't appreciate having to shell out yet more $$ 
> after having paid for room and board for the course...the worst part 
> being, IMO, that nobody had bothered to tell us beforehand--a 
> deliberate omission, because they were afraid nobody would come 
> otherwise? Who knows.  Then there were the meetings themselves, at 
> which any number of people would be fighting with each 
> other--literally--to sit as close to the front as possible.
>
> The second course, the one in Pittsburgh, was another classic "Oops, 
> they did it again..." scenario.  This one was so bad it would make a 
> great plot for a movie where nothing goes right.  It wasn't enough 
> that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the 
> heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to 
> choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick #2.  Into tiny rooms in 
> which we barely had enough space to walk, those of us on the long part 
> of the course (6 days) then had to share whatever microscopic amount 
> of free space was left with the 2-day course participants--I doubt 
> they knew that was going to happen, and I know we didn't.  Add to that 
> that there were a couple of TM vagrants who hadn't registered and were 
> staying at the hotel illegally, seriously ticking off the management, 
> and you have the makings for, possibly, the Worst Course Ever.
>
> I have no idea how much of all of this SSRS knew about, but it was his 
> organization and he does bear some of the responsibility.  On a 
> personal level, I felt he was much warmer and more approachable than 
> MMY.  But after those two disasters, I pretty much gave up on all of 
> them.
>
> Sal
>
>
> On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:26 PM, authfriend wrote:
>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different
>>> perspective on SSRS.
>>
>>
>> Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all
>> the mistakes taken out?
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different
> perspective on SSRS.

One of the comments on this sounds just like the people complaining about MMY 
and the 
TMO:

ontheotherhand said...
How funny that one of angriest people I've ever met (SSRS) would preach to 
these people 
on anger and irritation affecting their actions. I can't even enumerate the 
numbers of times 
I've seen his anger/irritation cause is actions to be irrational at best, and 
harmful to others 
at worst. He is such a hypocrite, it boggles the mind to think that others are 
not seeing 
through him. Those who are close enough are finished off in that their lives 
are over in the 
world -- he took it all away -- career, money, name, etc., so they can't really 
argue with 
him anymore or contradict him. I mean, what does a former district attorney 
from LA who 
gave up her career for him do after following him around for 15 years, having 
thrown away 
her education and career for him? She has to simply agree, and go around and 
teach his BS 
"happily" I suppose. And a former Prince of Kerala? (I'm not kidding.) So he 
got a title of 
"Rishi" or "Swami" from SSRS. That's the least he could do for the poor guy who 
was 
brainwashed into leaving his life for this mission. 

Peace prize? We don't think the rest of the world will be fooled by him. 
Intellectuals giving 
out this prize frown on people like SSRS who routinely post lies about his 
past, creating 
fantastic stories about his "earning an advanced degree in Physics", etc. (see 
Wikipedia), 
when the man never even completed one year of college. 

I'm tired of this guy. I hope he goes away soon. Maybe he could go to the 
mountains and 
do some sadana and get enlightened. That would be nice for the world. That 
would create 
much more peace than the group of bickering mental cases running around him.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will  
> > accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course  
> > fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM  
> > teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced  
> > technique.
> 
> 
> That's my understanding as well.
>

He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja to 
MMY?

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