Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
Judy, It is great that you are getting some food down him. You can also syringe feed Nutrical (can get from your vet or order online, but vet would be best bet due to delay for shipping), though they usually lap it up themselves if they are not in too bad of shape. About 3cc twice/day will do wonders, and can be used for a total food replacement in totally anorexic cats. The B-complex vitamins in it will also stimulate appetite. 3cc once/day will do if they are eating anything at all (10 lb. cat). Since you are a nurse, you will also easily be able to give him sub/cutanious fluids. It is important that his fluid and electrolytes are sufficient. Lactated Ringers are better than saline, due to the extra electrolytes. About 100cc/day with an 18 g needle will help. May need to put it in 2 injection sites. As a rule of thumb, don't get a bigger bubble of fluids under the skin that a 10 year old child can cup in their hand. Wishing you good luck. Sounds like you are making progress. I just got back in the house, and will be online for a while longer. You can email me at griff...@frognet.net if you have questions. I am rural as well and on dial up. If I receive your email, I can go off-line and give you a call. Karen Griffith - Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:35 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I Hi, Thanks for all your comments, especially about feeding. We had guests over for dinner tonight and I couldn't wait until they left so I could get to my computer..after I began syringe feeding Wilson. Both of us quit after about 20 ccs of cat food, but I then got on the assisted feeding site and was encouraged. Wilson actually was swallowing the syringed food rather gratefully, as long as I didn't push it too fast. My husband helped keep both me and the cat calm! So we are starting on a new thing here. Sympathy to Sharyl on the loss of Houdini...and thanks for the extra emphasis on the feeding that got me into real action. I am used to dealing with people who won't eat, not cats, and had no idea that no food for a short time can be fatal. Judy and Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charlotte is going back to the vet tommorrow
Yes, she is anemic. I'm not sure what her HCT is. She's been on doxy for about a week now. We don't know if it's Hemobart/Mycoplasma since that's an additional test, but I'd rather be safe than sorry since I did lose one to Hemobart last year. --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charlotte is going back to the vet tommorrow To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 10:52 PM Hi Laurie, I'm not familiar with what is going on with Charlotte, is she anemic and if so what is her HCT? If she is anemic has she been on doxocycline for at least 4 weeks? Positive cats commonly get something called hemobartonella, it is acually recently called something else but it is a parasite and very hard to get an accurate test for. It causes anemia and is treated commonly with doxy. Most vets will put a positive kitty on it if they are anemic just to be on the safe side. I know one person who had her cat tested 5 times and come up negative and on the 6th test was positive. Even if she isn't positive the doxy won't hurt her but if she is positive may save her life. My Bailey was on epogen when he was anemic, his HCT was at 20% when we ordered the epogen and down to 18% when we started it. It can take several weeks for it to kick in and the HCT may continue to go down for as many as 3 or 4 weeks, Bailey got as low as 15% before his HCT started going up. In about 6 weeks he as at 40% and on the epogen we maintained his HCT at 33% to 25%. He was on it for 5 months before he passed of undiagnosed pancreatic cancer. We found the cancer upon necropsy. I know many, many CRF kitties who are on epogen and there is an Anemia list that you many want to look into. Many vet will poopoo epogen for a positive cat but when the choice is do nothing and the cat WILL die or try epogen and the cat may live I'll always take the chance, if the cat is going to die anyway there is nothing to loss and everything to gain!!! There are other things and some people thing they are better, aranesp and procrit both help with anemia. Procrit and epogen are basically the same thing, the aranesp is something new and some say it has less of a chance of causing an antibody reaction (antibody reaction means basically that the epogen doesn't work anymore and you are back where you started), it is estimated between 10 and 30% of cats on epogen can develope antibodies in 5 or more months. I personally know of several cats on epogen for much longer with no problems, one cat Jean Luc was on it for 2 years, he would have been dead long before without it. He had lymphoma and CRF. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS
Sharyl, I am so sorry for your lossHoudini was blessed to have had you for her short stay in this world. Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:51:51 -0700 From: cline...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS My dear sweet little girl Houdini died today. She was just 10 months old. Test positive twice but never had any symptoms. For the last couple of days she meowed when I picked her up. This little girl loved to be held and petted. Since I have 8 house cats, I thought perhaps a bite or sprain but could find any evidence of an injury. Yesterday she started breathing kind of heavy so today we headed to the vet, a 45 minute drive. She stopped meowing a couple of miles away from the vet's office. I thought she had finally gotten used to the ride. Didn't know she was dead until I got into the vets office. I'm still in shock. Bright Eyes had failed over several weeks. I just didn't think I wouldn't be coming home with her. She loved to sit on the desk beside the computer while I was on line. When I sat down on the sofa she immediately got in my lap. She just loved to be loved. I will sorely miss her. I am just grateful I was able to have her love for as long as I did. I rescued her and her litter mates from a dumpster site when she was 4 weeks old. She earned her name because she was the only one of the 4 that could escape from the crate I had them in. Please add her to the next CLS. Sharyl Sissy Rocket CJ Mattie and all my Angels ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] why are my messages being held?
I just sent a post asking for 'life saving' information from the list. There was another post that was held by the moderator yesterday that again, had to do with the treatment and well being of a FELV cat. Please tell me what is going on. Jane Lyons ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fwd: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval
Begin forwarded message: From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: April 24, 2009 8:32:29 AM EDT To: j.ly...@mindspring.com Subject: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'Felvtalk' with the subject YIKES Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message may contain administrivia Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/confirm/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/38f98505e89ba33c0dd00029cc53c674bf60b3a9 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...
How were his liver values? He isn't yellow at all (whites of eyes, insides of ears)? Just worry about hepatic lipidosis, the couple of run ins we've had with it were very, very sick cats but a friend just had a rescue who looked so good (also eating pretty well) they had no idea she was jaundiced though there was yellow they were missing. If so she should be on a SAME med like denosyl or denamarin and likely some other supplements as well, with force feeding or a feeding tube. I'm not an expert but wanted to mention--keep up posted! On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com wrote: This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
Judy, I don't want to get into a food fight with Karen but Nutri-Cal should not be used as a replacement for food. Here are the ingredients from Doctors Foster and Smith web site. Regular Nutri-Cal Ingredients: Corn Syrup, Soybean Oil, Malt Syrup, Cod Liver Oil, Cane Molasses, Methylcellulose, Water, Gelatin By-products, dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Manganese Sulfate, Iron Peptonate, Thiamine HCl, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate (Source of Calcium and Pantothenic Acid), Magnesium Sulfate, Pyridoxine HCl, Vitamin A Palmitate D3 supplement, Potassium Iodide (Source of Iodine and Potassium), Riboflavin5, Phosphate Sodium (Source of Vitamin B2 and Phosphorus), Folic Acid and Cyancobalamin (Vitamin B12). As you can see the primary ingredient is corn oil. A much better choice for short term assistance is meat baby food. A jar of Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy has 100 calories. Try to work up to 200 calories per day with Wilson. The only way to know for sure if he is getting enough calories is to weigh him regularly on a good digital postal or baby scale. Most pate style canned foods can be blended with a little liquid and are easily syringed. My Pequita, CRF, prefers her food offered on a baby spoon. She wont eat off her plate but I am able to maintain her body wt. by offering her food several times per day on her baby spoon. Each kitty is unique. You just need to find the feeding method that works best for Wilson. May kitties will start eating on their own again once they feel better. Sharyl --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net wrote: From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:58 AM Judy, It is great that you are getting some food down him. You can also syringe feed Nutrical (can get from your vet or order online, but vet would be best bet due to delay for shipping), though they usually lap it up themselves if they are not in too bad of shape. About 3cc twice/day will do wonders, and can be used for a total food replacement in totally anorexic cats. The B-complex vitamins in it will also stimulate appetite. 3cc once/day will do if they are eating anything at all (10 lb. cat). Since you are a nurse, you will also easily be able to give him sub/cutanious fluids. It is important that his fluid and electrolytes are sufficient. Lactated Ringers are better than saline, due to the extra electrolytes. About 100cc/day with an 18 g needle will help. May need to put it in 2 injection sites. As a rule of thumb, don't get a bigger bubble of fluids under the skin that a 10 year old child can cup in their hand. Wishing you good luck. Sounds like you are making progress. I just got back in the house, and will be online for a while longer. You can email me at griff...@frognet.net if you have questions. I am rural as well and on dial up. If I receive your email, I can go off-line and give you a call. Karen Griffith - Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:35 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I Hi, Thanks for all your comments, especially about feeding. We had guests over for dinner tonight and I couldn't wait until they left so I could get to my computer..after I began syringe feeding Wilson. Both of us quit after about 20 ccs of cat food, but I then got on the assisted feeding site and was encouraged. Wilson actually was swallowing the syringed food rather gratefully, as long as I didn't push it too fast. My husband helped keep both me and the cat calm! So we are starting on a new thing here. Sympathy to Sharyl on the loss of Houdini...and thanks for the extra emphasis on the feeding that got me into real action. I am used to dealing with people who won't eat, not cats, and had no idea that no food for a short time can be fatal. Judy and Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
This was definitely the case with my Luc, who stopped eating and we didn't notice right away (4 other cats free-feeding from same bowls). Still don't know if it was some sort of pancreatitis or what. Finally noticed he wasn't himself, took to high-class emergency vet 20 miles away for tests -- hepatic lipidosis. We had an esophageal tube inserted and fed him A/D from the vet's office watered down and blendered, which we alternately syringed and spooned down the tube using a small funnel (it was really easy for one slightly larger bit of food to block the syringe). This went on for a few days and then he started licking A/D off a spoon. We still tube-fed him for another couple days but his appetite picked right up. From another list I'm on, I understand that for newborns at least, corn syrup (most often rubbed on their gums) is a zero-energy-expending way for them to get some nourishment. I wonder if that is the rationale behind the Nutrical formula? Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I Judy, I don't want to get into a food fight with Karen but Nutri-Cal should not be used as a replacement for food. Here are the ingredients from Doctors Foster and Smith web site. Regular Nutri-Cal Ingredients: Corn Syrup, Soybean Oil, Malt Syrup, Cod Liver Oil, Cane Molasses, Methylcellulose, Water, Gelatin By-products, dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Manganese Sulfate, Iron Peptonate, Thiamine HCl, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate (Source of Calcium and Pantothenic Acid), Magnesium Sulfate, Pyridoxine HCl, Vitamin A Palmitate D3 supplement, Potassium Iodide (Source of Iodine and Potassium), Riboflavin5, Phosphate Sodium (Source of Vitamin B2 and Phosphorus), Folic Acid and Cyancobalamin (Vitamin B12). As you can see the primary ingredient is corn oil. A much better choice for short term assistance is meat baby food. A jar of Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy has 100 calories. Try to work up to 200 calories per day with Wilson. The only way to know for sure if he is getting enough calories is to weigh him regularly on a good digital postal or baby scale. Most pate style canned foods can be blended with a little liquid and are easily syringed. My Pequita, CRF, prefers her food offered on a baby spoon. She wont eat off her plate but I am able to maintain her body wt. by offering her food several times per day on her baby spoon. Each kitty is unique. You just need to find the feeding method that works best for Wilson. May kitties will start eating on their own again once they feel better. Sharyl --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net wrote: From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:58 AM Judy, It is great that you are getting some food down him. You can also syringe feed Nutrical (can get from your vet or order online, but vet would be best bet due to delay for shipping), though they usually lap it up themselves if they are not in too bad of shape. About 3cc twice/day will do wonders, and can be used for a total food replacement in totally anorexic cats. The B-complex vitamins in it will also stimulate appetite. 3cc once/day will do if they are eating anything at all (10 lb. cat). Since you are a nurse, you will also easily be able to give him sub/cutanious fluids. It is important that his fluid and electrolytes are sufficient. Lactated Ringers are better than saline, due to the extra electrolytes. About 100cc/day with an 18 g needle will help. May need to put it in 2 injection sites. As a rule of thumb, don't get a bigger bubble of fluids under the skin that a 10 year old child can cup in their hand. Wishing you good luck. Sounds like you are making progress. I just got back in the house, and will be online for a while longer. You can email me at griff...@frognet.net if you have questions. I am rural as well and on dial up. If I receive your email, I can go off-line and give you a call. Karen Griffith - Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:35 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I Hi, Thanks for all your comments, especially about feeding. We had guests over for dinner tonight and I couldn't wait until they left so I could get to my computer..after I began syringe feeding Wilson. Both of us quit after about 20 ccs of cat food, but I then got on the assisted feeding site and was encouraged. Wilson actually was swallowing the syringed food rather gratefully, as long as I didn't push it too fast. My husband helped keep both me and the cat calm!
Re: [Felvtalk] Houdini
Sharyl, my heart goes out to you to lose your little girl so suddenly. It's hard enough when they've been sick and you know the end is near. Warm thoughts headed your way. -Emily Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
I have to say that Nutrical was invaluable to us in saving Autumn's life. She couldn't keep anything down and everytime she had diarrhea, she also vomited. Nutrical and Pedialyte kept her hydrated and nourished. I am sure that without it we would have lost her. Of course, we got her back on her Evo and prescription soft food as soon as she could keep it down. My mother also used Nutrical as a suplement for a 20 year old cat. She lived to be 24! Not all cats like it though. ~Susan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: This was definitely the case with my Luc, who stopped eating and we didn't notice right away (4 other cats free-feeding from same bowls). Still don't know if it was some sort of pancreatitis or what. Finally noticed he wasn't himself, took to high-class emergency vet 20 miles away for tests -- hepatic lipidosis. We had an esophageal tube inserted and fed him A/D from the vet's office watered down and blendered, which we alternately syringed and spooned down the tube using a small funnel (it was really easy for one slightly larger bit of food to block the syringe). This went on for a few days and then he started licking A/D off a spoon. We still tube-fed him for another couple days but his appetite picked right up. From another list I'm on, I understand that for newborns at least, corn syrup (most often rubbed on their gums) is a zero-energy-expending way for them to get some nourishment. I wonder if that is the rationale behind the Nutrical formula? Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I Judy, I don't want to get into a food fight with Karen but Nutri-Cal should not be used as a replacement for food. Here are the ingredients from Doctors Foster and Smith web site. Regular Nutri-Cal Ingredients: Corn Syrup, Soybean Oil, Malt Syrup, Cod Liver Oil, Cane Molasses, Methylcellulose, Water, Gelatin By-products, dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Manganese Sulfate, Iron Peptonate, Thiamine HCl, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate (Source of Calcium and Pantothenic Acid), Magnesium Sulfate, Pyridoxine HCl, Vitamin A Palmitate D3 supplement, Potassium Iodide (Source of Iodine and Potassium), Riboflavin5, Phosphate Sodium (Source of Vitamin B2 and Phosphorus), Folic Acid and Cyancobalamin (Vitamin B12). As you can see the primary ingredient is corn oil. A much better choice for short term assistance is meat baby food. A jar of Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy has 100 calories. Try to work up to 200 calories per day with Wilson. The only way to know for sure if he is getting enough calories is to weigh him regularly on a good digital postal or baby scale. Most pate style canned foods can be blended with a little liquid and are easily syringed. My Pequita, CRF, prefers her food offered on a baby spoon. She wont eat off her plate but I am able to maintain her body wt. by offering her food several times per day on her baby spoon. Each kitty is unique. You just need to find the feeding method that works best for Wilson. May kitties will start eating on their own again once they feel better. Sharyl --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net wrote: From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:58 AM Judy, It is great that you are getting some food down him. You can also syringe feed Nutrical (can get from your vet or order online, but vet would be best bet due to delay for shipping), though they usually lap it up themselves if they are not in too bad of shape. About 3cc twice/day will do wonders, and can be used for a total food replacement in totally anorexic cats. The B-complex vitamins in it will also stimulate appetite. 3cc once/day will do if they are eating anything at all (10 lb. cat). Since you are a nurse, you will also easily be able to give him sub/cutanious fluids. It is important that his fluid and electrolytes are sufficient. Lactated Ringers are better than saline, due to the extra electrolytes. About 100cc/day with an 18 g needle will help. May need to put it in 2 injection sites. As a rule of thumb, don't get a bigger bubble of fluids under the skin that a 10 year old child can cup in their hand. Wishing you good luck. Sounds like you are making progress. I just got back in the house, and will be online for a while longer. You can email me at griff...@frognet.net if you have questions. I am rural as well and on dial up. If I receive your email, I can go off-line and give you a call. Karen Griffith - Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com To:
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval
Jane, Please write directly to Jim the list owner and ask him what the problem is: Jim's email: phaed...@charter.net -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
I have to agree about the Nutrical, it is OK to use in an emergency once or twice but not on a regular basis, Fred is and has been eating baby food for months with supplements added of course and he has gained quite a bit of weight, about a pound, which for a CRF cat is pretty darn good!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] YIKES
I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES
Is the alpha the expensive interferon or is it the human one that some of us use? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES
it is the human one that some of us use and I am hoping that someone has a resource other than Franck's . Thanks Laurie Jane On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Is the alpha the expensive interferon or is it the human one that some of us use? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES
I called the hospital pharmacy who sells it to my vet and she said they purchase it from a wholesaler. She either would not or did not provide the name. It took me about 5 people to get to someone who would answer my question. I will forward to another friend who gets it from another vet and ask her source. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES it is the human one that some of us use and I am hoping that someone has a resource other than Franck's . Thanks Laurie Jane On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Is the alpha the expensive interferon or is it the human one that some of us use? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] JENNY~ please email me?
Jenny, my emails to you are coming back. Can you please email me at: lauriesk...@mchsi.com? Thanks! Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES
You could always formulate it yourself or get a vet tech to help you. It is a pain to do it, but one vial of full strength interferon will make more of the stuff for cats than you could use in a lifetime. Throw away the excess or share with someone. You have to freeze it after you cut it the first time. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES
thanks so much Laurie On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: I called the hospital pharmacy who sells it to my vet and she said they purchase it from a wholesaler. She either would not or did not provide the name. It took me about 5 people to get to someone who would answer my question. I will forward to another friend who gets it from another vet and ask her source. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES it is the human one that some of us use and I am hoping that someone has a resource other than Franck's . Thanks Laurie Jane On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Is the alpha the expensive interferon or is it the human one that some of us use? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
Ditto for Nutrical. When a cat won't eat anything, if you can get some Nutrical in them, it at least gives them some basic nutrients and sometimes helps jump start their appetite Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Ang Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I I have to say that Nutrical was invaluable to us in saving Autumn's life. She couldn't keep anything down and everytime she had diarrhea, she also vomited. Nutrical and Pedialyte kept her hydrated and nourished. I am sure that without it we would have lost her. Of course, we got her back on her Evo and prescription soft food as soon as she could keep it down. My mother also used Nutrical as a suplement for a 20 year old cat. She lived to be 24! Not all cats like it though. ~Susan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: This was definitely the case with my Luc, who stopped eating and we didn't notice right away (4 other cats free-feeding from same bowls). Still don't know if it was some sort of pancreatitis or what. Finally noticed he wasn't himself, took to high-class emergency vet 20 miles away for tests -- hepatic lipidosis. We had an esophageal tube inserted and fed him A/D from the vet's office watered down and blendered, which we alternately syringed and spooned down the tube using a small funnel (it was really easy for one slightly larger bit of food to block the syringe). This went on for a few days and then he started licking A/D off a spoon. We still tube-fed him for another couple days but his appetite picked right up. From another list I'm on, I understand that for newborns at least, corn syrup (most often rubbed on their gums) is a zero-energy-expending way for them to get some nourishment. I wonder if that is the rationale behind the Nutrical formula? Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I Judy, I don't want to get into a food fight with Karen but Nutri-Cal should not be used as a replacement for food. Here are the ingredients from Doctors Foster and Smith web site. Regular Nutri-Cal Ingredients: Corn Syrup, Soybean Oil, Malt Syrup, Cod Liver Oil, Cane Molasses, Methylcellulose, Water, Gelatin By-products, dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Manganese Sulfate, Iron Peptonate, Thiamine HCl, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate (Source of Calcium and Pantothenic Acid), Magnesium Sulfate, Pyridoxine HCl, Vitamin A Palmitate D3 supplement, Potassium Iodide (Source of Iodine and Potassium), Riboflavin5, Phosphate Sodium (Source of Vitamin B2 and Phosphorus), Folic Acid and Cyancobalamin (Vitamin B12). As you can see the primary ingredient is corn oil. A much better choice for short term assistance is meat baby food. A jar of Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy has 100 calories. Try to work up to 200 calories per day with Wilson. The only way to know for sure if he is getting enough calories is to weigh him regularly on a good digital postal or baby scale. Most pate style canned foods can be blended with a little liquid and are easily syringed. My Pequita, CRF, prefers her food offered on a baby spoon. She wont eat off her plate but I am able to maintain her body wt. by offering her food several times per day on her baby spoon. Each kitty is unique. You just need to find the feeding method that works best for Wilson. May kitties will start eating on their own again once they feel better. Sharyl --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net wrote: From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:58 AM Judy, It is great that you are getting some food down him. You can also syringe feed Nutrical (can get from your vet or order online, but vet would be best bet due to delay for shipping), though they usually lap it up themselves if they are not in too bad of shape. About 3cc twice/day will do wonders, and can be used for a total food replacement in totally anorexic cats. The B-complex vitamins in it will also stimulate appetite. 3cc once/day will do if they are eating anything at all (10 lb. cat). Since you are a nurse, you will also easily be able to give him sub/cutanious fluids. It is important that his fluid and electrolytes are sufficient.
Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES
I too am new to this disease and discussion site, but unfortunately am having to take a crash course for multiple cats that I rescued from a dire situation last summer. I thought I would send this website along. I don't know what they might have to offer, but they do have a compounding section and say they can compound discontinued and unavailable drugs. http://centerpetpharmacy.com/ They responded very quickly to me the one time that I contacted them. Amy --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote: From: Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 4:41 PM thanks so much Laurie On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: I called the hospital pharmacy who sells it to my vet and she said they purchase it from a wholesaler. She either would not or did not provide the name. It took me about 5 people to get to someone who would answer my question. I will forward to another friend who gets it from another vet and ask her source. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES it is the human one that some of us use and I am hoping that someone has a resource other than Franck's . Thanks Laurie Jane On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Is the alpha the expensive interferon or is it the human one that some of us use? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] thanks, all of you!
My husband and I have been feeding Wilson with a syringe since last night. All three of us are learning, and I am grateful for the reviews of the supplements. I did order some Nutrical and some Clinicare on line. Until we get the shipment, we will continue with smushed pate style cat food. I think I will maybe get some meat baby food, too. I think they may have it at our little store, and we will make sure there are no onions added. We live 50 miles from a town, and the vets. I will not be giving the Nutrical alone, just as a good supplement. I may alternate the Clinicare with the diluted cat food. I have been adding warm water to the cat food for hydration, too, and the vet gave me some FortiFlora which I am giving him. She started him on doxycycline, which I didn't start giving him until yesterday. I am not sure if it's prophylactic against infection or what...his white count was good. I trust her, though. Wilson is not jaundiced, and really looks good, aside from having no energy and breathing way too fast. I am calming down, and actually Wilson is a pretty good patient. I have found in the past that animals really bond with me after I have had to give them meds--or feedings, in this case--even if the experience hasn't always been positive on either end! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] JANET interferon
Janet, Jenni is the vet who normally gets interferon for my friend... Jenni can't get it right now either. It's hard to get the one that is the best kind to use. at this moment I can't remember which is which. On 4/24/09, Laurieskatz wrote Do you have a way to find out an alternate source for interferon? Does Jenni still supply yours? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:01 PM To: felvt...@felineleukemia.o rg Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES it is the human one that some of us use and I am hoping that someone has a resource other than Franck's . Thanks Laurie Jane On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Is the alpha the expensive interferon or is it the human one that some of us use? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Cautiously optimistic about Charlotte, plus a little venting
Charlotte returned to the vet today as scheduled. Her PCV is up to 19% versus 9% a week ago. The CBC should be back tomorrow. Both the vet and the vet tech noticed how much better she looks. She'll be back for a recheck in a couple of weeks. And if I may vent a little: we adopted out 2 cats at the shelter to one person. The adopter called today and said that she had both cats euthanized because one was FeLV+ and one was FIV+. I am really ticked off. We've had good luck getting these cats out to rescues - we've never euthanized one who tested positive for either disease - and instead of calling us beforehand she just had them put down. We would have taken the cats back and found places for them to go. It's very upsetting, especially after going through all this with Charlotte, and knowing how much effort, time and money the people on this list spend on their positive cats. What a cop-out. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cautiously optimistic about Charlotte, plus a little venting
Suggestion for the future: Contact the adopter's vet before the cat is released re not killing an innocent cat and see if the vet will agree to contact you if there is a problem (then hope they do). Additionally have the adopter sign a mini contract. Sometimes that alone makes them think twice. On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Laura Mostello wrote: Charlotte returned to the vet today as scheduled. Her PCV is up to 19% versus 9% a week ago. The CBC should be back tomorrow. Both the vet and the vet tech noticed how much better she looks. She'll be back for a recheck in a couple of weeks. And if I may vent a little: we adopted out 2 cats at the shelter to one person. The adopter called today and said that she had both cats euthanized because one was FeLV+ and one was FIV+. I am really ticked off. We've had good luck getting these cats out to rescues - we've never euthanized one who tested positive for either disease - and instead of calling us beforehand she just had them put down. We would have taken the cats back and found places for them to go. It's very upsetting, especially after going through all this with Charlotte, and knowing how much effort, time and money the people on this list spend on their positive cats. What a cop-out. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS
Sharyl, I am so sorry to hear about your little Houdini. She sounds like a very sweet cat. It is always so hard to lose our little cats, especially when they are so young. It has been five months since I lost my sweet Buzz and I still miss him so much. Hugs to you and gentle bridge vibes to Houdini. Sue - Original Message - From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:51 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS My dear sweet little girl Houdini died today. She was just 10 months old. Test positive twice but never had any symptoms. For the last couple of days she meowed when I picked her up. This little girl loved to be held and petted. Since I have 8 house cats, I thought perhaps a bite or sprain but could find any evidence of an injury. Yesterday she started breathing kind of heavy so today we headed to the vet, a 45 minute drive. She stopped meowing a couple of miles away from the vet's office. I thought she had finally gotten used to the ride. Didn't know she was dead until I got into the vets office. I'm still in shock. Bright Eyes had failed over several weeks. I just didn't think I wouldn't be coming home with her. She loved to sit on the desk beside the computer while I was on line. When I sat down on the sofa she immediately got in my lap. She just loved to be loved. I will sorely miss her. I am just grateful I was able to have her love for as long as I did. I rescued her and her litter mates from a dumpster site when she was 4 weeks old. She earned her name because she was the only one of the 4 that could escape from the crate I had them in. Please add her to the next CLS. Sharyl Sissy Rocket CJ Mattie and all my Angels ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pluto Please add to CLS :(
I'm sorry Sherry. tonya --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pluto Please add to CLS :( To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 8:47 PM I know I have asked for prayers for this wonderful soul lately.Well today he lost his battle to this aweful disease.Pooty Poots was one of my special boyfriends.I know I have many and will have many more,but sometimes certain ones steal an extra space in your heart.This was one of them.Pluto was a shy handsome tiger boy.I won him over with Temptations treats and love.And he won me over with the trust he had in me.Rest in peace baby boy,you are now with your mom Juno and brother Jupiter. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cautiously optimistic about Charlotte, plus a little venting
That's really frustrating and so very sad, Laura. Gentle Bridge vibes to these two innocents. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laura Mostello Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Cautiously optimistic about Charlotte,plus a little venting Charlotte returned to the vet today as scheduled. Her PCV is up to 19% versus 9% a week ago. The CBC should be back tomorrow. Both the vet and the vet tech noticed how much better she looks. She'll be back for a recheck in a couple of weeks. And if I may vent a little: we adopted out 2 cats at the shelter to one person. The adopter called today and said that she had both cats euthanized because one was FeLV+ and one was FIV+. I am really ticked off. We've had good luck getting these cats out to rescues - we've never euthanized one who tested positive for either disease - and instead of calling us beforehand she just had them put down. We would have taken the cats back and found places for them to go. It's very upsetting, especially after going through all this with Charlotte, and knowing how much effort, time and money the people on this list spend on their positive cats. What a cop-out. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS
Thanks everyone for your good thoughts. They help. It was just so unexpected. Most of my cats have special needs so I know I probably won't have the pleasure of their company for years and years. Treasure each day with your beloved furry companions. Sharyl --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Frank and Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: From: Frank and Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 7:35 PM Sharyl, I am so sorry to hear about your little Houdini. She sounds like a very sweet cat. It is always so hard to lose our little cats, especially when they are so young. It has been five months since I lost my sweet Buzz and I still miss him so much. Hugs to you and gentle bridge vibes to Houdini. Sue - Original Message - From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:51 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS My dear sweet little girl Houdini died today. She was just 10 months old. Test positive twice but never had any symptoms. For the last couple of days she meowed when I picked her up. This little girl loved to be held and petted. Since I have 8 house cats, I thought perhaps a bite or sprain but could find any evidence of an injury. Yesterday she started breathing kind of heavy so today we headed to the vet, a 45 minute drive. She stopped meowing a couple of miles away from the vet's office. I thought she had finally gotten used to the ride. Didn't know she was dead until I got into the vets office. I'm still in shock. Bright Eyes had failed over several weeks. I just didn't think I wouldn't be coming home with her. She loved to sit on the desk beside the computer while I was on line. When I sat down on the sofa she immediately got in my lap. She just loved to be loved. I will sorely miss her. I am just grateful I was able to have her love for as long as I did. I rescued her and her litter mates from a dumpster site when she was 4 weeks old. She earned her name because she was the only one of the 4 that could escape from the crate I had them in. Please add her to the next CLS. Sharyl Sissy Rocket CJ Mattie and all my Angels ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cautiously optimistic about Charlotte, plus a little venting
I work at a county shelter. We really can't do any true screening, nor can we ask the hard questions. The adoption application needs to be revised big time. I can't tell you how many times someone's walked out with a cat or dog and we look at each other and say, That animal's coming right back. But this is worse. And the adopter in this situation volunteers for a major rescue. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
