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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re:
My rationale in telling adopters is: Cats that are kept indoors cost cat
owners a lot less money spent at the vet than those that go outdoors - it
has actually been proven. Cats that go out are in danger of contracting
diseases from other cats, getting injuries from fights with other cats
(absces
It is true... Loss of habitat is number one.
Thanks for bringing it up.
Sally
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM, SomeWhere Sam wrote:
> Sorry but that information is outdated or biased.
>
> The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or
> construction for
> same.
>
> Humans: The
LOL Humans are a non-native, introduced and subsidized predators.
This is like expecting pet owners to spay or neuter their pets, interesting
idea, one which I would love to see, but seeing and knowing human nature is not
going to happen in my lifetime.
SomeWhere Sam
That doesn't mean it was wrongjust that there are other things to
consider. My personal cats are house cats. There are ferals and
"those who are passing by" that I care abouta lot. These guys
have a different life style...not right or wrong but different. I
wish all cats could
Yes, humans have negatively impacted the planet in a number of ways, to be
sure.
And in retrospect, I think my post was inappropriate. My points were only
(1) to further encourage folks to keep their cats indoors for (as you point
out) "their well-being"; and (2) highlight the incredible number
My Bubba was about 5 when he died. He didn't have any problems until the last
year of his life. Then we battled periodic high fevers & stomatitis.
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From: Natalie
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Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011
All too true. In Milwaukee, once, I saw a terrified wolf on the downtown
expressway being chased down by law enforcement (I think that ended badly
for the wolf :-() And all along my former bus route between Milwaukee and
Racine you can see deer and wolves in the fields-that-used-to-be-woods that
ha
My crazy Fuji just wants to make friends with them. She brought us a bird that
fell out of a nest once. She brought another one, and then let it go (alive)
when it was time to come in. I have caught her a few times with the hamster,
but she has never hurt her. I suppose she just doesn't reali
Mine too. Those who aren't smart enough probably need to be removed
from the genetic pool just as mice who come into a a home occupied by
cats for 25+ years. I don't like it but do consider it fact.
On Mar 22, 2011, at 7:16 PM, create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
I have ferals & the birds seem
I have ferals & the birds seem smart enough to stay out of my yard.
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From: LauraM
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Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:56:46
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep
Yes, the number one cause of bird extinction is habitat loss, but cats are #2.
There's a well-known study that was conducted on a couple of adjacent beaches
in California, one with a feral cat population and one without. The beach that
is home to feral cats has no birds - remember that most shore
I've tried using those statistics on people who refuse to contain their cats,
thinking they MIGHT care about wildlife even though they clearly aren't
concerned with their cats' own safety. Hasn't worked. There are also people out
there who want irresponsible owners of bird-killing cats to be hel
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Well here locally about 5 years ago 50 acres filled with nesting egrets was
bull
dozed by a construction company, egrets were lost in huge numbers, more than
any
that hit windows. Construction company got a slap on the wrist.
Again my statement about the #1 Bird Killers are humans stands. Comp
I was thinking the same thing
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:36:23 -0700
> From: sin...@sbcglobal.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
>
> Sorry but that information is outdated or biased.
>
> The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat lo
I see there are a lot of people that take care of ferals and get tired of
hearing all the reasons they should be killed, not TNR'd. My answer is always
"Even if they do kill a lot of birds, TNR is the way to reduce the population
so TNR is the best way to save the birds."
I didn't know that
I've had FIV cats live to ripe old agesbut this is my first time with
adult FeLV cats.
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.
I have a friend that has had FeLV + cats for years. I remember her saying that
some lived until their early teens and some died at 9 or 10. Either way, it's
a long time. I'll check with her about it but I think she said some died from
diseases that typically don't relate to FeLV like renal f
Actually, the leading killers are glass windows...particularly taller
structures &.car winfshields. But cats are the only bird predators in urban
aareas, so they of course would be the largest killer of birds. There are other
natural predators in rural areas...including other birds like owls, ha
Agreed, 100%...
But keeping cats indoors will have the double benefit of saving the cat from
disaster and reducing bird kills.
~B.
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From: "TANYA NOE"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
I was just going to say tha
And I also wonder about adult cats that are FeLV+, and perfectly healthy.
I've never had adults with no symptoms, only a kitten that died years ago.
Eliot Spitty is about 5 yrs old, and Mr. Tux about 6 yrs old. I wonder how
that will work out in the coming years - they get supplements, good food,
Plus indiscriminate use of poisons in the landscapeeverything has
to be sooo vvverrryyy neat.
On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:47 PM, TANYA NOE wrote:
I was just going to say that Sam!
--- On Tue, 3/22/11, SomeWhere Sam wrote:
From: SomeWhere Sam
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
To: fel
Thanks Sam!! You rock!
Debbie
~ When the world says, "Give up," hope whispers, "Try it one more time" ~
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:36:23 -0700
> From: sin...@sbcglobal.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
>
> Sorry but that information is outd
Me three...
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM, TANYA NOE wrote:
> I was just going to say that Sam!
>
> --- On Tue, 3/22/11, SomeWhere Sam wrote:
>
> > From: SomeWhere Sam
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 4:36 PM
I was just going to say that Sam!
--- On Tue, 3/22/11, SomeWhere Sam wrote:
> From: SomeWhere Sam
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 4:36 PM
> Sorry but that information is
> outdated or biased.
>
> The number one ki
Sorry but that information is outdated or biased.
The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or construction
for
same.
Humans: The Number One Threat to Birds
http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=325
SomeWhere Sam
From: Bonn
Alice,
I am so sorry to hear Rosie's mass has returned. Could this be to the decrease
in pred? If so, could an increase help things out again? I am so sorry to
hear that this is happening.
Little Rosie, and Pirate Miso and Sachi are in my thoughts and prayers (and you
too, of course!)
One thought process that I've run into is that a healthy adult cat
(FELV negative) has a hearty enough immune system to successfully deal
with the FELV virus without acquiring it.
I can't see that vaccinating them at this point would be of value.
Just my 2c
Gloria
From: Maureen Olvey
D
Amen to that!
Whenever the cat that we brought back from England got out by accident (not
by us), she'd be back in five minutes flat with a bird in her mouth!
In addition, about 50% of migrating birds from South America also die by the
time they get here
I love the idea of wind power, but the d
In the newspaper today:
House cats are the #1 predator of wild birds. The American Bird Conservancy
estimates up to 500 million birds per year are killed by cats. About 400,000
are killed yearly by wind turbines (less than 20% of the number killed by
cats). So now we have another reason to k
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Very well said, Bonnie.
Alice, I am so sorry to hear this about Rosie, but you are doing all you can
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T
I feel your pain, Alice. Know Rosie loves you & you have given her a good life.
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--- On Tue, 3/22/11, Alice Flowers wrote:
From: Alice Flowers
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rosie's mass has returned
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"
Date: Tuesday,
Alice, I am so sorry to read this. You have done everything possible to help
Rosie beat this. You have given Rosie and the others so much love. So many
kitties are this fortunate.
You all are in our thoughts and prayers
Sharyl
--- On Tue, 3/22/11, Alice Flowers wrote:
From: Alice Flowers
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