Re: [Felvtalk] Otto Please add to the CLS :(

[dlgegg]

Farewell Otto, see you in heaven

 Sherry DeHaan  wrote: 
>  We lost Otto this past Friday. He was a sweet black boy that always made me 
> make out with him before I could give him his medicine...he was a lover thats 
> for sure...he will be missed by many of us volunteers...I love you Otto
> Sherry
> 
> 
> "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
> than our own,
> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
> We still would have it no other way"


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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Tanya's CRF Site

[dlgegg]

Have you thought of trying another brand of kidney diet?  Royal Canine or blue 
buffalo or any othe brad formulated for kidney
 GRAS  wrote: 
>  
> 
> YES, not good at all, especially for CRF patients, however, sometimes they 
> won’t eat anything else, and something is better than nothing.  One of mine 
> will not eat K-D canned food – so I mix it half/half with another food…better 
> that, than losing weight and dying. Natalie
> 
>  
> 
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:10 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
> 
>  
> 
> There are some who believe dry food causes CRF, so you may want to research 
> more on this.   Try the Holisticat.com site and Googling for other folks.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Val Green  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription K/D dry 
> food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the house. He's 
> probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for several years. He's put on 
> some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll be around a few more years. Lots 
> of love from this sweet, black cat!
> 
>  
> 
> Valerie
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, GRAS  wrote:
> 
> Here it is:
> 
> http://www.felinecrf.org/ 
> 
>  
> 
> I am dealing with CRF on a continuous basis, and treatment depends on the 
> levels of creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, etc.
> 
> I use aluminum hydroxide, Pepcid AC, sub=q fluids, special diets, and 
> whatever the vet tells me depending on test results.
> 
> Natalie
> 
>  
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

[dlgegg]

how do I join ths group on google?  tried putting in group 2053 and got no 
results


 GRAS  wrote: 
> You ask me to invite you to join the 2053 Googlegroup…..Once you are a 
> member, you can look through the archives, see success stories where salve 
> was used on people and animals, get all the info on how to get salve and 
> where to order the herbs to make the tonic (or buy small amount from list 
> owner). It really is miraculous – one man’s arm was saved from amputation, a 
> horse’s eye with cancer saved, many bunny and rat owners are members because 
> those poor little critters get cancers….
> 
> You can actually look salve and tonic online, but they are NOT the same and 
> are much more expensive….
> 
> If you would use the salve as soon as possible, so it can still seep in 
> through the incision, it would be ideal.  It will come back if it had 
> tentacles and it was most likely squamous cell….
> 
> I would look for someone who may have a colony of cats that are cared for by 
> someone….the kittens would become tame, though, if given a chance!  
> 
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:28 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey
> 
>  
> 
> 
> I have never heard of this black salve.  Does it really help?  Where can I 
> get more information on it and the group?  I should get the pathology results 
> back in a few days.  I have felt a couple of very small knots on other parts 
> of his body so I am afraid it has spread.  The vet did take out a couple of 
> lymph nodes too.  I just can't get over how big this one was & how I could 
> have missed it until now.  The vet told me that this one will come back and 
> he was afraid it would be pretty soon.  He said there was no reason to try to 
> remove it or any others because they would just come back.  I plan on 
> spoiling him for however long he has left.  When he seems like his quality of 
> life isn't good anymore then I will let him go.  Right now he is eating and 
> playing.  He doesn't act like anything is wrong.  I am so stressed out right 
> now.  I trapped a mom cat and her 2 kittens(although they are about 8 months 
> old) and had them spayed.  I found a home for the mom cat but I still have 
> the kittens which are feral and I can't find a home for them.  They came from 
> my work so I don't know anything else to do but take them back to work and 
> let them
> 
>  live there & me keep feeding them.  Does that sound terrible?  I just can't 
> keep them.  Anybody got any ideas?  I won't take them to the shelter because 
> someone told me they would euthanize them if they are feral.   Now poor 
> Smokey is sick.  Thanks for your prayers and ideas for Smokey.  I will let 
> you know what the pathology report says.
> 
>  
> 
> Cindy 
> --- On Tue, 2/7/12, GRAS  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: GRAS 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 4:42 PM
> 
> Would anyone with a cat or dog that has had cancer removed be interested in a 
> black salve that would get to the rest of the tentacles that the vet may not 
> have been able to remove? It’s not expensive, but you would have to join a 
> group where you would get advice from people who have used it and lots of 
> moral support, too.  It is for people and animals…there’s also an herbal 
> tonic for cancer, you get the herbs, brew up the tonic, etc. REALLY WORKS!  
> In cases after surgery, the salve would be able to reach the interior through 
> the incisions.
> 
> Natalie
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
>  
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Otto Please add to the CLS :(

[Holly Shelton]

Sorry to hear this.



-Original Message-
From: Sherry DeHaan 
To: Felvtalk 
Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 12:23 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Otto  Please add to the CLS :(




 We lost Otto this past Friday. He was a sweet black boy that always made me 
make out with him before I could give him his medicine...he was a lover thats 
for sure...he will be missed by many of us volunteers...I love you Otto
Sherry


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than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way"


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

[dlgegg]

I have to clean them more often because Homey and Casey  think they have to 
"Pat" the water a few times before they drink.  Paws pick up dirt anddeposit it 
in the fountain.  No one ever said life would be easy!


 GRAS  wrote: 
> That's why a fountain is good, too, it has a filter (but the fountain must
> also be cleaned often; filter replaced monthly.  Chlorine not good for them.
> Natalie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:11 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
> 
> One of my vets tells of cats who drink local city water who develop this
> problem.  My guys all drink bottled spring or distilled water because we
> travel and it is easier to do the bottles than to change from one city water
> to another (yes, there is a difference...big time).
> 
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 8:01 PM,   > wrote:
> 
> > Instead of water dishes, try a water fountain.  My Homey has recurring 
> > bouts of sturvite crystals and we can't find any medical reason for 
> > it.  I had 1 water fountain in the kitchen and got
> > another for my bath since everyone comes into my bedroom at night.   
> > We like my memory foam mattress and the electric blanket.  I have 
> > noticed that everyone drinks more water since the fountains.  They are 
> > attracted by the sound and everyone has adifferent part of the water 
> > slide to drink from.  I also added a bit of organic (cloudy) cidar 
> > vinegar.  Someone in the group recommended it for the crystals.  I 
> > also started Homey on cranberry paste.  She does not like it, but I 
> > can put it on my finger an stick it in her mouth.  So far she has not 
> > bitten me but leads a merry chase around the house when she sees me 
> > coming.  Also, so far she has not had anothr bout with the crystals.
> >
> >  Val Green  wrote:
> >> Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription 
> >> K/D dry food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the 
> >> house. He's probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for 
> >> several years. He's put on some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll 
> >> be around a few more years. Lots of love from this sweet, black cat!
> >>
> >> Valerie
> >>
> >> On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, GRAS  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Here it is:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.felinecrf.org/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am dealing with CRF on a continuous basis, and treatment depends 
> >>> on the levels of creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, etc.
> >>>
> >>> I use aluminum hydroxide, Pepcid AC, sub=q fluids, special diets, 
> >>> and whatever the vet tells me depending on test results.
> >>>
> >>> Natalie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >>> ] On Behalf Of Chris Macke
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:50 PM
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Just google Tanya's CRF site and it will come right up
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>>
> >>> From: Val Green
> >>>
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:44 PM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I must have missed it, but can someone give me Tanya's site about 
> >>> CRF? My beloved Manny cat has CRF and I want to do as much as I can 
> >>> for him.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you all,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Valerie
> >>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Holly Shelton  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Tanya's CRF site is awesome. It really helped me turn my renal cat 
> >>> around.  I can't access my list of things to feed when cats refuse 
> >>> to eat right now.  Off the top of my head: a plain McDonald's 
> >>> hamburger patty, all meat baby food, boiled chicken, cheese,
> >>> lunchmeat, smelly fish food.. I am just learning about Felv.   
> >>> My prior experience with cat issues is with diabetes and renal 
> >>> failure.  Sending you good thoughts.  Holl font>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: botha.marinda4 
> >>> To: felvtalk 
> >>> Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 1:30 am
> >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
> >>>
> >>> My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects 
> >>> leukemia is already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to 
> >>> eat his food but tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should 
> >>> I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda 
> >>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> >>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Yes, I used to use it until I realized that all corn not marked ``Organic''
is GMO.


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:59 PM,  wrote:

> My gys have never eaten litter, but I use "Worlds Best" which is  ground
> corn cobs and corn because it is biodegradeable, can be composted in its
> own compost bin anb is  lightweight and has the same texture as clay .  It
> is not as dusty as clay also and the cats love it.
>
>
>  Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote:
> > What kind of litter?
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Beth  wrote:
> >
> > > Eating litter is a classic sign of severe anemia. Most of my FeLV's
> died
> > > from anemia. At this point it's probably too late for interferon. That
> is a
> > > good preventative to boost the immune system, but it takes a while to
> start
> > > working.
> > > I euthanized all mine at the point they started eating litter, but
> that is
> > > a choice that only you can make.
> > > My thought are with you & your baby. I know how hard it is to see them
> > > suffer.
> > > Beth
> > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <
> http://www.furkids.org/>
> > >
> > >
> > >   --
> > > *From:* "botha.marin...@gmail.com" 
> > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:39 AM
> > >
> > > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
> > >
> > > My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects
> leukemia is
> > > already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food
> but
> > > tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I
> > > can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda
> > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 
> > Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!
> >
> > Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
> > implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/
> >
> > Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

[dlgegg]

My gys have never eaten litter, but I use "Worlds Best" which is  ground corn 
cobs and corn because it is biodegradeable, can be composted in its own compost 
bin anb is  lightweight and has the same texture as clay .  It is not as dusty 
as clay also and the cats love it.


 Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote: 
> What kind of litter?
> 
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Beth  wrote:
> 
> > Eating litter is a classic sign of severe anemia. Most of my FeLV's died
> > from anemia. At this point it's probably too late for interferon. That is a
> > good preventative to boost the immune system, but it takes a while to start
> > working.
> > I euthanized all mine at the point they started eating litter, but that is
> > a choice that only you can make.
> > My thought are with you & your baby. I know how hard it is to see them
> > suffer.
> > Beth
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
> >
> >
> >   --
> > *From:* "botha.marin...@gmail.com" 
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:39 AM
> >
> > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
> >
> > My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is
> > already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but
> > tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I
> > can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda
> > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> >
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> 
> 
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> 
> Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!
> 
> Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
> implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/
> 
> Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org


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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Tanya's CRF Site

[GRAS]

I haven’t met a cat yet that doesn’t like Boston Market chicken – I used to 
trap cats with it, too. Mackerel is great too – the kind for people, not for 
cats.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 7:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Tanya's CRF Site

 

Yes, for one of my kits, I spread a thin layer of baby food on top of healthier 
food---just enough to get the smeller going.   You can also crumble kibble on 
top of better food, or use other really smelly bribe foods as toppers, e.g., 
bonito flakes, tuna water, crushed dried tuna, nutritional yeast, etc.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:33 AM, GRAS  wrote:

 

YES, not good at all, especially for CRF patients, however, sometimes they 
won’t eat anything else, and something is better than nothing.  One of mine 
will not eat K-D canned food – so I mix it half/half with another food…better 
that, than losing weight and dying. Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:10 PM


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

 

There are some who believe dry food causes CRF, so you may want to research 
more on this.   Try the Holisticat.com site and Googling for other folks.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Val Green  wrote:

Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription K/D dry 
food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the house. He's 
probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for several years. He's put on 
some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll be around a few more years. Lots of 
love from this sweet, black cat!

 

Valerie



On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, GRAS  wrote:

Here it is:

http://www.felinecrf.org/ 

 

I am dealing with CRF on a continuous basis, and treatment depends on the 
levels of creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, etc.

I use aluminum hydroxide, Pepcid AC, sub=q fluids, special diets, and whatever 
the vet tells me depending on test results.

Natalie

 


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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Tanya's CRF Site

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Yes, for one of my kits, I spread a thin layer of baby food on top of
healthier food---just enough to get the smeller going.   You can also
crumble kibble on top of better food, or use other really smelly bribe
foods as toppers, e.g., bonito flakes, tuna water, crushed dried tuna,
nutritional yeast, etc.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:33 AM, GRAS  wrote:

> ** **
>
> YES, not good at all, especially for CRF patients, however, sometimes they
> won’t eat anything else, and something is better than nothing.  One of mine
> will not eat K-D canned food – so I mix it half/half with another
> food…better that, than losing weight and dying. Natalie
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:10 PM
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
>
> ** **
>
> There are some who believe dry food causes CRF, so you may want to
> research more on this.   Try the Holisticat.com site and Googling for other
> folks.
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Val Green  wrote:***
> *
>
> Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription K/D
> dry food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the house. He's
> probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for several years. He's put
> on some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll be around a few more years.
> Lots of love from this sweet, black cat!
>
> ** **
>
> Valerie
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, GRAS  wrote:
>
> Here it is:
>
> http://www.felinecrf.org/ 
>
>  
>
> I am dealing with CRF on a continuous basis, and treatment depends on the
> levels of creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, etc.
>
> I use aluminum hydroxide, Pepcid AC, sub=q fluids, special diets, and
> whatever the vet tells me depending on test results.
>
> Natalie
>
> ** **
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

[Maureen Olvey]

Oops - my first e-mail got returned too so here it is again.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Smokey
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:34:08 -0500





I do a lot of TNR on feral cats.  I would return the 8 month old kittens to 
your workplace.  It's not terrible and that's what is recommended for most 
feral cats.  They will do better returning to their home rather than trying to 
move them.  Most feral cats that are relocated will run away to try to find 
their way back home.  That can be even worse than where they live.  Sometimes 
for various reasons there is no choice but to relocate but it's usually the 
very last option for me.  It is very hard to find homes for older feral kittens 
and cats.  Taming is possible but it would probably take a long long time, like 
a year or more, and from my experience even then they will always be a little 
skittish around everyone but the person who tamed them.  I've had some older 
kittens that tamed within a few months but most of my older feral kittens have 
never totally tamed.  It mostly depends on their personality.  I've even got 
one living with me right now that is about 10 years old.  I've been feeding him 
since he was a kitten.  Last year he almost died so I brought him home to heal 
and then I didn't want to put him back out so he stayed here.  While he was 
sick and confined I was able to pet him but as soon as I gave him freedom of 
the house he went back to being feral and I still can't pet the little turd.  
After 10 years of me feeding him and living with me for over a year he won't 
get within a few feet of me.  I just laugh about it.  Like I said, their 
personality has a lot to do with it, but in general taming an older feral 
kitten will be difficult to say the least.
 
Yes, the shelter will euthanize.  They cannot adopt them out since most people 
come to get a cat they can pet so they have no choice but to euthanize.  
 
Don't feel bad about having to return them to their home.  It's sad but 
sometimes there's no other choice.  You have to be prepared because it's 
dangerous for them to live outside like that and some don't live long lives but 
lots of times there's nothing else than can be done for them but to take good 
care of them for their short lives.  However, I do have some feral cats that 
I've been feeding for about 11 years.  Getting them fixed will greatly extend 
their life span.  They won't fight and get infections which will kill them and 
they won't roam for miles looking for a mate.  You did a great service for them 
by trapping them and fixing them so you should commend yourself.  I do.  
Anybody that can and will do that for a feral is a good person in my book.
 
If it seems the cancer has definitely spread for Smokey you should give the 
salve and tonic a try.  It's really cheap compared to most natural cancer 
curing stuff that doesn't even work and worth a shot.  If nothing else it could 
make him feel better and extend his life some extra months.
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 




Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 05:27:34 -0800
From: reasoner37...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey






I have never heard of this black salve.  Does it really help?  Where can I get 
more information on it and the group?  I should get the pathology results back 
in a few days.  I have felt a couple of very small knots on other parts of his 
body so I am afraid it has spread.  The vet did take out a couple of lymph 
nodes too.  I just can't get over how big this one was & how I could have 
missed it until now.  The vet told me that this one will come back and he was 
afraid it would be pretty soon.  He said there was no reason to try to remove 
it or any others because they would just come back.  I plan on spoiling him for 
however long he has left.  When he seems like his quality of life isn't good 
anymore then I will let him go.  Right now he is eating and playing.  He 
doesn't act like anything is wrong.  I am so stressed out right now.  I trapped 
a mom cat and her 2 kittens(although they are about 8 months old) and had them 
spayed.  I found a home for the mom cat but I still have the kittens which are 
feral and I can't find a home for them.  They came from my work so I don't know 
anything else to do but take them back to work and let them
 live there & me keep feeding them.  Does that so

[Felvtalk] PICA - cats eating non-food

[GRAS]

Here’s a list of articles on cats ingesting non-food items, it’s called PICA. 

http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=Pica+in+cats 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

 

Eating what kind of litter indicates anemia, per Beth?

BTW, I use Yesterday's News.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:51 AM, GRAS  wrote:

Eating clumping litter that contains sodium bentonite can be lethal because it 
can solidify in the intestines, if inhaled, can cause lungs to fill, can also 
block urethras. If the instructions on litter say “do not flush down the 
toilet” because it will cause blockage, it contains sodium bentonite, and will 
do the same to a cat.  They are not required to say so on the package, why?  I 
don’t know.

Was that your question?

Natalie

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

What kind of litter?

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Beth  wrote:

Eating litter is a classic sign of severe anemia. Most of my FeLV's died from 
anemia. At this point it's probably too late for interferon. That is a good 
preventative to boost the immune system, but it takes a while to start working. 

I euthanized all mine at the point they started eating litter, but that is a 
choice that only you can make.

My thought are with you & your baby. I know how hard it is to see them suffer.

Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Eating what kind of litter indicates anemia, per Beth?

BTW, I use Yesterday's News.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:51 AM, GRAS  wrote:

> Eating clumping litter that contains sodium bentonite can be lethal
> because it can solidify in the intestines, if inhaled, can cause lungs to
> fill, can also block urethras. If the instructions on litter say “do not
> flush down the toilet” because it will cause blockage, it contains sodium
> bentonite, and will do the same to a cat.  They are not required to say so
> on the package, why?  I don’t know.
>
> Was that your question?
>
> Natalie
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:50 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
>
> ** **
>
> What kind of litter?
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Beth  wrote:
>
> Eating litter is a classic sign of severe anemia. Most of my FeLV's died
> from anemia. At this point it's probably too late for interferon. That is a
> good preventative to boost the immune system, but it takes a while to start
> working. 
>
> I euthanized all mine at the point they started eating litter, but that is
> a choice that only you can make.
>
> My thought are with you & your baby. I know how hard it is to see them
> suffer.
>
> Beth
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org *
> ***
>
>  
>
> ** **
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>
> *From:* "botha.marin...@gmail.com" 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:39 AM
>
>
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
>
>
> My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is
> already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but
> tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I
> can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda
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[Sherry DeHaan]

 We lost Otto this past Friday. He was a sweet black boy that always made me 
make out with him before I could give him his medicine...he was a lover thats 
for sure...he will be missed by many of us volunteers...I love you Otto
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Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

[KG BarnCats]

Hi, can you tell me more about the salve and tonic.  My FELV- cat Venture
just had his foreleg amputated yesterday due to a fast growing tumor
(biopsy pending).  He has  stage 2 CRF.  Thanks.


Laurie

On Tuesday, February 7, 2012, Maureen Olvey  wrote:
> I'll let Natalie talk to you about this since she has the most
experience.  It's not something you can get off the shelf in a store.
>
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts
upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to
me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
Twain
>
>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:01:30 -0600
>> From: dlg...@windstream.net
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey
>> CC: molvey...@hotmail.com
>>
>> What is the name of the salve and tonic? Would like to have some on hand
just in case.
>>
>>  Maureen Olvey  wrote:
>> >
>> > From my limited amount of experience with this black salve and tonic,
I would recommend it. I wouldn't hesitate to try it again on any of my
animals that had cancer.
>> >
>> > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts
upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to
me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
Twain
>> >
>> > Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:42:29 -0500
>> > From: g...@optonline.net
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Would anyone with a cat or dog that has had cancer removed be
interested in a black salve that would get to the rest of the tentacles
that the vet may not have been able to remove? It’s not expensive, but you
would have to join a group where you would get advice from people who have
used it and lots of moral support, too. It is for people and
animals…there’s also an herbal tonic for cancer, you get the herbs, brew up
the tonic, etc. REALLY WORKS! In cases after surgery, the salve would be
able to reach the interior through the incisions.Natalie From:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:50 PM
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey Cindy - So sorry to hear about Smokey.
I have a friend who had this with her dog. She had the 1st tumor removed,
but it kept spreading. She just kept him going as long as he was still
happy & not suffering.Give him lots of love. He has done remarkable living
this long with this awful virus. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!
www.Furkids.org From: cindy reasoner 
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:11 PM
>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Smokey
>> > It has been a very long time since I have posted anything. I first
found this site when my Smokey tested positive for feline leukemia. He had
a hard time at the beginning with fevers but we finally got that under
control. He has gone over 6 years with no problems or sickness. The other
day I felt a very large knot on his left front leg. I took him to the vet
to get it checked out. He thought it was probably cancer. He removed it
today but he couldn't get all of it. He described it as having tenticles
going in all different directions. He is sending it off to be sure it is
cancer and what type. I have never dealt with this before and Smokey's
outlook seems pretty grave. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Cindy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

[Val Green]

Natalie,
Manny loves to drink out of the faucet! Please let me know where you found your 
fountain.  I'll check with my vet about sub-q fluids. 

On Feb 8, 2012, at 6:26 AM, GRAS  wrote:

> Apple cider vinegar, unpasteurized...and Vitamin C, too.  The water fountain
> should be stainless steel, not plastic. I just ordered another one, on sale.
> I'll find the site, and pass it on later. Does Manny like to drink from a
> faucet at all?  Sub-q fluids can add years to their liveseasy to do.
> Natalie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:01 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
> 
> Instead of water dishes, try a water fountain.  My Homey has recurring bouts
> of sturvite crystals and we can't find any medical reason for it.  I had 1
> water fountain in the kitchen and got another for my bath since everyone
> comes into my bedroom at night.  We like my memory foam mattress and the
> electric blanket.  I have noticed that everyone drinks more water since the
> fountains.  They are attracted by the sound and everyone has adifferent part
> of the water slide to drink from.  I also added a bit of organic (cloudy)
> cidar vinegar.  Someone in the group recommended it for the crystals.  I
> also started Homey on cranberry paste.  She does not like it, but I can put
> it on my finger an stick it in her mouth.  So far she has not bitten me but
> leads a merry chase around the house when she sees me coming.  Also, so far
> she has not had anothr bout with the crystals.
> 
>  Val Green  wrote: 
>> Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription K/D
> dry food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the house. He's
> probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for several years. He's put
> on some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll be around a few more years.
> Lots of love from this sweet, black cat!
>> 
>> Valerie
>> 
>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, GRAS  wrote:
>> 
>>> Here it is:
>>> 
>>> http://www.felinecrf.org/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am dealing with CRF on a continuous basis, and treatment depends on
> the levels of creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, etc.
>>> 
>>> I use aluminum hydroxide, Pepcid AC, sub=q fluids, special diets, and
> whatever the vet tells me depending on test results.
>>> 
>>> Natalie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
>>> Macke
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:50 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just google Tanya's CRF site and it will come right up
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> 
>>> From: Val Green
>>> 
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:44 PM
>>> 
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I must have missed it, but can someone give me Tanya's site about CRF?
> My beloved Manny cat has CRF and I want to do as much as I can for him. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Valerie
>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Holly Shelton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tanya's CRF site is awesome. It really helped me turn my renal cat 
>>> around.  I can't access my list of things to feed when cats refuse 
>>> to eat right now.  Off the top of my head: a plain McDonald's 
>>> hamburger patty, all meat baby food, boiled chicken, cheese, 
>>> lunchmeat, smelly fish food.. I am just learning about Felv.  My 
>>> prior experience with cat issues is with diabetes and renal failure.  
>>> Sending you good thoughts.  Holl font>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: botha.marinda4 
>>> To: felvtalk 
>>> Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 1:30 am
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
>>> 
>>> My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects 
>>> leukemia is already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to 
>>> eat his food but tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should 
>>> I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda 
>>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] 8 FELV kitties in NYC

[GRAS]

Tanya,
I could post it on the animalalert-sos-res...@yahoogroups.com, to which I
belong.  But I need to have some info on whom to contact and where.  If
you'd like me to do it, let me know!  Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of TANYA NOE
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] 8 FELV kitties in NYC

A rescue friend in Queens NYC had a house fire recently putting her and a
huge amount of rescue cats out of her home. She has found an apartment to
stay in while the ins. has her home fixed but that will take months. She
currently has 8 felv cats that are staying in the attic of a neighbor. The
neighbor wants them out. She needs a place for them to go until her home is
fixed. She would be able to provide some funds for caring for them (feeding,
litter, etc.) 

Is there anyone on here that would be able to help out? I can get you more
information if you message me back. I can set it up for you to meet her and
the kitties. She really needs help.

Thank you,
Tanya

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Tanya's CRF Site

[GRAS]

Hi, Holly, 

Yes, I would definitely love your input on CRF….I have discovered much in the 
past 19 yrs on dealing  with CRF, and should probably make notes, too. Please 
send to Natalie:   at...@optonline.net or  
 g...@optonline.net 

No rush!

Thank you,

Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Holly Shelton
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Tanya's CRF Site

 

Oh and Spader was on aluminum hydroxide as a phos binder.  It really helped.  I 
have a word doc with all sorts of CRF links that I can email anyone who wants 
it.  I put it together to help people. Also as an aside, I train people on 
giving fluids and the tips to give a cat a longer life.  I also talk to local 
vets about what I did to change Spader's CRF and FD turned around.  I am 
working 14 hour days and I may not be checking tis email more than a couple of 
times a day. Holly



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[Felvtalk] 8 FELV kitties in NYC

[TANYA NOE]

A rescue friend in Queens NYC had a house fire recently putting her and a huge 
amount of rescue cats out of her home. She has found an apartment to stay in 
while the ins. has her home fixed but that will take months. She currently has 
8 felv cats that are staying in the attic of a neighbor. The neighbor wants 
them out. She needs a place for them to go until her home is fixed. She would 
be able to provide some funds for caring for them (feeding, litter, etc.) 

Is there anyone on here that would be able to help out? I can get you more 
information if you message me back. I can set it up for you to meet her and the 
kitties. She really needs help.

Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Tanya's CRF Site

[Holly Shelton]

Oh and Spader was on aluminum hydroxide as a phos binder.  It really helped.  I 
have a word doc with all sorts of CRF links that I can email anyone who wants 
it.  I put it together to help people. Also as an aside, I train people on 
giving fluids and the tips to give a cat a longer life.  I also talk to local 
vets about what I did to change Spader's CRF and FD turned around.  I am 
working 14 hour days and I may not be checking tis email more than a couple of 
times a day. Holly



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From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 8:12 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  FW:  Tanya's CRF Site



This was 23 KB, am erasing bottom and resending.  This is very annoying – why 
do they have a such a tiny limit in this group?
 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of GRAS



 
 
YES, not good at all, especially for CRF patients, however, sometimes they 
won’t eat anything else, and something is better than nothing.  One of mine 
will not eat K-D canned food – so I mix it half/half with another food…better 
that, than losing weight and dying. Natalie
 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves



 
There are some who believe dry food causes CRF, so you may want to research 
more on this.   Try the Holisticat.com site and Googling for other folks.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Val Green  wrote:

Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription K/D dry 
food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the house. He's 
probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for several years. He's put on 
some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll be around a few more years. Lots of 
love from this sweet, black cat!

 

Valerie









 





 
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[Felvtalk] FW: FW: Tanya's CRF Site

[GRAS]

This was 23 KB, am erasing bottom and resending.  This is very annoying – why 
do they have a such a tiny limit in this group?

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of GRAS



 

 

YES, not good at all, especially for CRF patients, however, sometimes they 
won’t eat anything else, and something is better than nothing.  One of mine 
will not eat K-D canned food – so I mix it half/half with another food…better 
that, than losing weight and dying. Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves



 

There are some who believe dry food causes CRF, so you may want to research 
more on this.   Try the Holisticat.com site and Googling for other folks.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Val Green  wrote:

Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription K/D dry 
food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the house. He's 
probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for several years. He's put on 
some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll be around a few more years. Lots of 
love from this sweet, black cat!

 

Valerie





 

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[Felvtalk] FW: Smokey

[GRAS]

Something’s wrong, this message was in no way 30 KB….(20 is the limit)

I am resending without the bottom portion.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of GRAS
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

 

You ask me to invite you to join the 2053 Googlegroup…..Once you are a member, 
you can look through the archives, see success stories where salve was used on 
people and animals, get all the info on how to get salve and where to order the 
herbs to make the tonic (or buy small amount from list owner). It really is 
miraculous – one man’s arm was saved from amputation, a horse’s eye with cancer 
saved, many bunny and rat owners are members because those poor little critters 
get cancers….

You can actually look salve and tonic online, but they are NOT the same and are 
much more expensive….

If you would use the salve as soon as possible, so it can still seep in through 
the incision, it would be ideal.  It will come back if it had tentacles and it 
was most likely squamous cell….

I would look for someone who may have a colony of cats that are cared for by 
someone….the kittens would become tame, though, if given a chance!  

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[Felvtalk] FW: Smokey

[GRAS]

I cannot believe that almost all of my e-mails are bouncing back because 
they’re too big, and I have no way of knowing which ones they are because they 
don’t tell you – so I am resending, making sure that all previous mail was 
erased.

 

From: GRAS [mailto:g...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:41 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Smokey

 

You ask me to invite you to join the 2053 Googlegroup…..Once you are a member, 
you can look through the archives, see success stories where salve was used on 
people and animals, get all the info on how to get salve and where to order the 
herbs to make the tonic (or buy small amount from list owner). It really is 
miraculous – one man’s arm was saved from amputation, a horse’s eye with cancer 
saved, many bunny and rat owners are members because those poor little critters 
get cancers….

You can actually look salve and tonic online, but they are NOT the same and are 
much more expensive….

If you would use the salve as soon as possible, so it can still seep in through 
the incision, it would be ideal.  It will come back if it had tentacles and it 
was most likely squamous cell….

I would look for someone who may have a colony of cats that are cared for by 
someone….the kittens would become tame, though, if given a chance!  

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

 


I have never heard of this black salve.  Does it really help?  Where can I get 
more information on it and the group?  I should get the pathology results back 
in a few days.  





 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

[GRAS]

You ask me to invite you to join the 2053 Googlegroup…..Once you are a member, 
you can look through the archives, see success stories where salve was used on 
people and animals, get all the info on how to get salve and where to order the 
herbs to make the tonic (or buy small amount from list owner). It really is 
miraculous – one man’s arm was saved from amputation, a horse’s eye with cancer 
saved, many bunny and rat owners are members because those poor little critters 
get cancers….

You can actually look salve and tonic online, but they are NOT the same and are 
much more expensive….

If you would use the salve as soon as possible, so it can still seep in through 
the incision, it would be ideal.  It will come back if it had tentacles and it 
was most likely squamous cell….

I would look for someone who may have a colony of cats that are cared for by 
someone….the kittens would become tame, though, if given a chance!  

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

 


I have never heard of this black salve.  Does it really help?  Where can I get 
more information on it and the group?  I should get the pathology results back 
in a few days.  I have felt a couple of very small knots on other parts of his 
body so I am afraid it has spread.  The vet did take out a couple of lymph 
nodes too.  I just can't get over how big this one was & how I could have 
missed it until now.  The vet told me that this one will come back and he was 
afraid it would be pretty soon.  He said there was no reason to try to remove 
it or any others because they would just come back.  I plan on spoiling him for 
however long he has left.  When he seems like his quality of life isn't good 
anymore then I will let him go.  Right now he is eating and playing.  He 
doesn't act like anything is wrong.  I am so stressed out right now.  I trapped 
a mom cat and her 2 kittens(although they are about 8 months old) and had them 
spayed.  I found a home for the mom cat but I still have the kittens which are 
feral and I can't find a home for them.  They came from my work so I don't know 
anything else to do but take them back to work and let them

 live there & me keep feeding them.  Does that sound terrible?  I just can't 
keep them.  Anybody got any ideas?  I won't take them to the shelter because 
someone told me they would euthanize them if they are feral.   Now poor Smokey 
is sick.  Thanks for your prayers and ideas for Smokey.  I will let you know 
what the pathology report says.

 

Cindy 
--- On Tue, 2/7/12, GRAS  wrote:


From: GRAS 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 4:42 PM

Would anyone with a cat or dog that has had cancer removed be interested in a 
black salve that would get to the rest of the tentacles that the vet may not 
have been able to remove? It’s not expensive, but you would have to join a 
group where you would get advice from people who have used it and lots of moral 
support, too.  It is for people and animals…there’s also an herbal tonic for 
cancer, you get the herbs, brew up the tonic, etc. REALLY WORKS!  In cases 
after surgery, the salve would be able to reach the interior through the 
incisions.

Natalie

 

 

 

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[Felvtalk] FW: Tanya's CRF Site

[GRAS]

 

YES, not good at all, especially for CRF patients, however, sometimes they 
won’t eat anything else, and something is better than nothing.  One of mine 
will not eat K-D canned food – so I mix it half/half with another food…better 
that, than losing weight and dying. Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

 

There are some who believe dry food causes CRF, so you may want to research 
more on this.   Try the Holisticat.com site and Googling for other folks.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Val Green  wrote:

Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription K/D dry 
food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the house. He's 
probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for several years. He's put on 
some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll be around a few more years. Lots of 
love from this sweet, black cat!

 

Valerie



On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, GRAS  wrote:

Here it is:

http://www.felinecrf.org/ 

 

I am dealing with CRF on a continuous basis, and treatment depends on the 
levels of creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, etc.

I use aluminum hydroxide, Pepcid AC, sub=q fluids, special diets, and whatever 
the vet tells me depending on test results.

Natalie

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

[GRAS]

Eating clumping litter that contains sodium bentonite can be lethal because it 
can solidify in the intestines, if inhaled, can cause lungs to fill, can also 
block urethras. If the instructions on litter say “do not flush down the 
toilet” because it will cause blockage, it contains sodium bentonite, and will 
do the same to a cat.  They are not required to say so on the package, why?  I 
don’t know.

Was that your question?

Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

 

What kind of litter?

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Beth  wrote:

Eating litter is a classic sign of severe anemia. Most of my FeLV's died from 
anemia. At this point it's probably too late for interferon. That is a good 
preventative to boost the immune system, but it takes a while to start working. 

I euthanized all mine at the point they started eating litter, but that is a 
choice that only you can make.

My thought are with you & your baby. I know how hard it is to see them suffer.

Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org  

 

 

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From: "botha.marin...@gmail.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:39 AM


Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger


My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is 
already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but tried 
to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my 
darling suffer like this! Marinda 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

[cindy reasoner]

I have never heard of this black salve.  Does it really help?  Where can I get more information on it and the group?  I should get the pathology results back in a few days.  I have felt a couple of very small knots on other parts of his body so I am afraid it has spread.  The vet did take out a couple of lymph nodes too.  I just can't get over how big this one was & how I could have missed it until now.  The vet told me that this one will come back and he was afraid it would be pretty soon.  He said there was no reason to try to remove it or any others because they would just come back.  I plan on spoiling him for however long he has left.  When he seems like his quality of life isn't good anymore then I will let him go.  Right now he is eating and playing.  He doesn't act like anything
 is wrong.  I am so stressed out right now.  I trapped a mom cat and her 2 kittens(although they are about 8 months old) and had them spayed.  I found a home for the mom cat but I still have the kittens which are feral and I can't find a home for them.  They came from my work so I don't know anything else to do but take them back to work and let them
 live there & me keep feeding them.  Does that sound terrible?  I just can't keep them.  Anybody got any ideas?  I won't take them to the shelter because someone told me they would euthanize them if they are feral.   Now poor Smokey is sick.  Thanks for your prayers and ideas for Smokey.  I will let you know what the pathology report says.
 
Cindy --- On Tue, 2/7/12, GRAS  wrote:
From: GRAS Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SmokeyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgDate: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 4:42 PM





Would anyone with a cat or dog that has had cancer removed be interested in a black salve that would get to the rest of the tentacles that the vet may not have been able to remove? It’s not expensive, but you would have to join a group where you would get advice from people who have used it and lots of moral support, too.  It is for people and animals…there’s also an herbal tonic for cancer, you get the herbs, brew up the tonic, etc. REALLY WORKS!  In cases after surgery, the salve would be able to reach the interior through the incisions.
Natalie
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of BethSent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:50 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey
 


Cindy -

 

So sorry to hear about Smokey.  I have a friend who had this with her dog. She had the 1st tumor removed, but it kept spreading. She just kept him going as long as he was still happy & not suffering.

Give him lots of love. He has done remarkable living this long with this awful virus.

 

Beth

 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 

 






From: cindy reasoner To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:11 PMSubject: [Felvtalk] Smokey
It has been a very long time since I have posted anything.  I first found this site when my Smokey tested positive for feline leukemia.  He had a hard time at the beginning with fevers but we finally got that under control.  He has gone over 6 years with no problems or sickness.  The other day I felt a very large knot on his left front leg.  I took him to the vet to get it checked out.  He thought it was probably cancer.  He removed it today but he couldn't get all of it.  He described it as having tenticles going in all different directions.  He is sending it off to be sure it is cancer and what type.  I have never dealt with this before and Smokey's outlook seems pretty grave.  Any opinions would be greatly
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

[GRAS]

That's why a fountain is good, too, it has a filter (but the fountain must
also be cleaned often; filter replaced monthly.  Chlorine not good for them.
Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

One of my vets tells of cats who drink local city water who develop this
problem.  My guys all drink bottled spring or distilled water because we
travel and it is easier to do the bottles than to change from one city water
to another (yes, there is a difference...big time).

On Feb 7, 2012, at 8:01 PM,   wrote:

> Instead of water dishes, try a water fountain.  My Homey has recurring 
> bouts of sturvite crystals and we can't find any medical reason for 
> it.  I had 1 water fountain in the kitchen and got
> another for my bath since everyone comes into my bedroom at night.   
> We like my memory foam mattress and the electric blanket.  I have 
> noticed that everyone drinks more water since the fountains.  They are 
> attracted by the sound and everyone has adifferent part of the water 
> slide to drink from.  I also added a bit of organic (cloudy) cidar 
> vinegar.  Someone in the group recommended it for the crystals.  I 
> also started Homey on cranberry paste.  She does not like it, but I 
> can put it on my finger an stick it in her mouth.  So far she has not 
> bitten me but leads a merry chase around the house when she sees me 
> coming.  Also, so far she has not had anothr bout with the crystals.
>
>  Val Green  wrote:
>> Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription 
>> K/D dry food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the 
>> house. He's probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for 
>> several years. He's put on some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll 
>> be around a few more years. Lots of love from this sweet, black cat!
>>
>> Valerie
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, GRAS  wrote:
>>
>>> Here it is:
>>>
>>> http://www.felinecrf.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am dealing with CRF on a continuous basis, and treatment depends 
>>> on the levels of creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, etc.
>>>
>>> I use aluminum hydroxide, Pepcid AC, sub=q fluids, special diets, 
>>> and whatever the vet tells me depending on test results.
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>> ] On Behalf Of Chris Macke
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:50 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just google Tanya's CRF site and it will come right up
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>> From: Val Green
>>>
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:44 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I must have missed it, but can someone give me Tanya's site about 
>>> CRF? My beloved Manny cat has CRF and I want to do as much as I can 
>>> for him.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Valerie
>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Holly Shelton  wrote:
>>>
>>> Tanya's CRF site is awesome. It really helped me turn my renal cat 
>>> around.  I can't access my list of things to feed when cats refuse 
>>> to eat right now.  Off the top of my head: a plain McDonald's 
>>> hamburger patty, all meat baby food, boiled chicken, cheese,
>>> lunchmeat, smelly fish food.. I am just learning about Felv.   
>>> My prior experience with cat issues is with diabetes and renal 
>>> failure.  Sending you good thoughts.  Holl font>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: botha.marinda4 
>>> To: felvtalk 
>>> Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 1:30 am
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
>>>
>>> My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects 
>>> leukemia is already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to 
>>> eat his food but tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should 
>>> I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda 
>>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

[GRAS]

Apple cider vinegar, unpasteurized...and Vitamin C, too.  The water fountain
should be stainless steel, not plastic. I just ordered another one, on sale.
I'll find the site, and pass it on later. Does Manny like to drink from a
faucet at all?  Sub-q fluids can add years to their liveseasy to do.
Natalie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

Instead of water dishes, try a water fountain.  My Homey has recurring bouts
of sturvite crystals and we can't find any medical reason for it.  I had 1
water fountain in the kitchen and got another for my bath since everyone
comes into my bedroom at night.  We like my memory foam mattress and the
electric blanket.  I have noticed that everyone drinks more water since the
fountains.  They are attracted by the sound and everyone has adifferent part
of the water slide to drink from.  I also added a bit of organic (cloudy)
cidar vinegar.  Someone in the group recommended it for the crystals.  I
also started Homey on cranberry paste.  She does not like it, but I can put
it on my finger an stick it in her mouth.  So far she has not bitten me but
leads a merry chase around the house when she sees me coming.  Also, so far
she has not had anothr bout with the crystals.

 Val Green  wrote: 
> Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription K/D
dry food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the house. He's
probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for several years. He's put
on some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll be around a few more years.
Lots of love from this sweet, black cat!
> 
> Valerie
> 
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, GRAS  wrote:
> 
> > Here it is:
> > 
> > http://www.felinecrf.org/
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I am dealing with CRF on a continuous basis, and treatment depends on
the levels of creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, etc.
> > 
> > I use aluminum hydroxide, Pepcid AC, sub=q fluids, special diets, and
whatever the vet tells me depending on test results.
> > 
> > Natalie
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
> > Macke
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:50 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Just google Tanya's CRF site and it will come right up
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > 
> > From: Val Green
> > 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:44 PM
> > 
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I must have missed it, but can someone give me Tanya's site about CRF?
My beloved Manny cat has CRF and I want to do as much as I can for him. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thank you all,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Valerie
> > On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Holly Shelton  wrote:
> > 
> > Tanya's CRF site is awesome. It really helped me turn my renal cat 
> > around.  I can't access my list of things to feed when cats refuse 
> > to eat right now.  Off the top of my head: a plain McDonald's 
> > hamburger patty, all meat baby food, boiled chicken, cheese, 
> > lunchmeat, smelly fish food.. I am just learning about Felv.  My 
> > prior experience with cat issues is with diabetes and renal failure.  
> > Sending you good thoughts.  Holl font>
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: botha.marinda4 
> > To: felvtalk 
> > Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 1:30 am
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
> > 
> > My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects 
> > leukemia is already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to 
> > eat his food but tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should 
> > I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda 
> > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> >  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

The Holisticat.com folks suggest eggshell powder as a Phos binder.


On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Holly Shelton  wrote:

> Dry food isn't great for a renal cat. KD isn't the best either.  I fed my
> Spader wet food with lower phosphorus levels.  All of the Friskies Special
> Diet foods and even the Fancy Feast Chicken and Tuna.
> I stayed around 230-240 in the phos level on these great charts:
> http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html
>
>  Holly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
> To: felvtalk 
> Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 6:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
>
>  There are some who believe dry food causes CRF, so you may want to
> research more on this.   Try the Holisticat.com site and Googling for other
> folks.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Val Green  wrote:
>
>>  Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription
>> K/D dry food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the house.
>> He's probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for several years. He's
>> put on some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll be around a few more
>> years. Lots of love from this sweet, black cat!
>>
>>  Valerie
>>
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, GRAS  wrote:
>>
>>  Here it is:
>>  http://www.felinecrf.org/ 
>> ** **
>> I am dealing with CRF on a continuous basis, and treatment depends on the
>> levels of creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, etc.
>> I use aluminum hydroxide, Pepcid AC, sub=q fluids, special diets, and
>> whatever the vet tells me depending on test results.
>> Natalie
>> ** **
>>  *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
>> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris Macke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:50 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
>>  ** **
>>  Just google Tanya's CRF site and it will come right up
>>
>>  - Original Message - 
>>  *From:* Val Green  
>>  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>  *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:44 PM
>>  *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
>>  ** **
>>  I must have missed it, but can someone give me Tanya's site about CRF?
>> My beloved Manny cat has CRF and I want to do as much as I can for him. *
>> ***
>>  ** **
>>  Thank you all,
>>  ** **
>>   Valerie
>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Holly Shelton < 
>> hsshel...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Tanya's CRF site is awesome. It really helped me turn my renal cat
>> around.  I can't access my list of things to feed when cats refuse to eat
>> right now.  Off the top of my head: a plain McDonald's hamburger patty, all
>> meat baby food, boiled chicken, cheese, lunchmeat, smelly fish food.. I
>> am just learning about Felv.  My prior experience with cat issues is with
>> diabetes and renal failure.  Sending you good thoughts.  Holl font>
>>
>> 
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: botha.marinda4 < botha.marin...@gmail.com
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>> To: felvtalk < felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 1:30 am
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
>>
>> My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is 
>> 
>>
>> already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but 
>> tried 
>>
>> to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't see 
>> my 
>>
>> darling suffer like this! Marinda 
>>
>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
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