Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi Just as FYI - what your kitty, Prancer had was mediastinal lymphoma - and it 
is actually one of the most tretable cancers of all - it's common among Felk 
positive kitties - steroid of will almost immediately get rid of fluid in chest 
cavity - and kitties with mediastinal lymphoma has a very good chance of 
recovery with chemo therapy even with Felk kitties - if you join lymphoma 
support group, they can tell you all about sucess stories. There is feline 
omega itnerferon which you can import AbbyVet in England which is probably the 
best choice as alpha (human) interferon, cats will eventually develop antibody 
to the interferon -Have you considered using LTCI? Hideyo
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From: ava...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:55:47 -0400
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Thank you for trying to bring everyone back on topic. I'm very new to this 
forum but would love to hear from anyone who can talk more about interferon.
Maryam
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On Oct 12, 2012, at 13:48, Lisa Conner  wrote:









 
 
Hi All,
 
I think everyone was so hung up with this politcal debate,  no one saw my 2 
questions on Interferon and the length of years a Felv + cat has lived.
 
 Ok-  so,  I joined when my 9 + year old boy, Prancer became very 
sick..literally overnight.  He breathing was extremely labored and I rushed him 
to the Emergency Vet.  They said he was critical
 ,  and didn’t think he was going to make it.  May be best to put him to sleep 
since he was Felv+ and needed oxygen and and his gums were pale.  That night 
they extracted 3 ½ cups of fluid from his lungs.  Thank goodness, because that 
saved his life.  In the
 morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet thought it was his 
heart.  He was right.  The ultrasound showed a huge mass tumor at the base of 
his heart.   The vet wasn’t sure how much time Prancer had, however, he said it 
might be a day or week, 
 depending on how much fluid built up in his lung area.  Within 4 days, the 
fluid was back and I could not have him suffer as I lost my Dad to the the 
suffering of congestive heart failure (with build up of fluid in the lungs). 

 
So, my vet believes that Interferon might have helped Prancer over the years, 
since in all his years in practice,  they have not seen a cat like Prancer, 
great health  for 9 ½ years, but be
 Felv +.  
 
Has anyone in this group used Interferon with their cats and what is the 
typical avg span life for Felv+ cats? 

 
Thanks!



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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I have tried every clumping litter out there,  I think - I used to like World's 
Best - but I started not liking the smell when it gets old - it stinks - also 
two of my kitties developed liver failure and died - during the time I used 
World's best and I got nervous about whether if corn litter caused the disease -
 
I have been using Feline Fresh - but for some reason, the quality went down 
hill and does not clump well - (different from feline Pine) - I have been using 
Blue buffalo - I like it okay - though it gets heavier than corn when clumped, 
wheat, or pine - smells better - I think..
 



Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:04:57 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter



I used to used World's Best . I still think it's great, but I've started using 
the Blue Buffalo brand now & like it even better. If I wait until it's on sale 
it's as much as WB. It is expensive, but I change the litter half as often, so 
it works out in the end.

Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 






From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

-Try World's Best liter, based on corn.  If you scoop daily, it will last a 
long time.  I have 7 liter boxes and only buy 1 bag every other month, maybe 
more in rainy/snowy weather.  Course my guys go out for a couple of hours in 
early am and early afternoon.  We much prefer dry leaves and dirt.


--- Edna Taylor wrote: > > I am glad some can use the pine litter. I couldn't 
stand the smell once it interacts with poop and/or urine - 
PEEEUU. I have a very sensitive nose 
and just can't abide some smells. Hence the scoopable clay litter ;) > > Date: 
Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:17:56 -0400 > > From: felineres...@frontier.com > > To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter > > > 
> This sounds like the best bet for me. I really have to have scoopable > > 
litter. I once found a bag of Feline Pine Scoopable and it worked > > 
wonderfully. The pellets are horrible tho. The problem is we now live > > in a 
very small town (rural area) and I have never seen the Pine Scoopable > > here. 
I'll try on line. > > > > Lorrie > > > > On 10-08, Lynda Wilson wrote: > > > I 
use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the pellets (it's too hard on their feet > > > 
in my opinion). It has improved immensely! It clumps better and leaves > > > 
less on the floor than what it used to. It lasts a long time too. > > > > > > L 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Foster mom devastated at a FELV positive test result

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I wish I could you give you something more definite - but the truth is you just 
don't know - I know of many people whose kittens became negative later on, but 
also know many who remained positive.
I have one felk kitty, Ginger, I have had her since she was 6 months old - now 
she is 8 years old and doing very well - 
 
One suggestion, if you can afford it - I would recommend LTCI on the kittens as 
some of the users of LTCI, their kittens became negative - I can't be sure if 
it's because of it or just a coincidnece - but my Felk kittens did really well 
on LTCI -
 



Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:07:50 -0400
From: jlsphotograp...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster mom devastated at a FELV positive test result

Hi!  I am a foster mom for a high kill shelter in Philly.  I am fostering my 
3rd litter which was my first litter of bottle feeders.  I've spent the past 24 
hours researching like crazy online and trying to talk to others with 
experience but really getting a lot of contradicting information.  

The background:
I pulled this litter from the shelter about 5 weeks ago as borderline bottle 
feeders.  They were dumped on a doorstep in a box and brought to the shelter.  
Apparently there were 2 additional dropped off a day later that they assume was 
from the same litter but they were euthanized due to space/kitten season.  When 
I brought them home they were all around .65lbs.  Two of them were eating wet 
food and 1 refused it.  I ended up having to bottle feed the 1 for 3 weeks 
before being able to wean him completely.  All 3 have been active, healthy and 
playful.  No signs of illness.  Gaining weight steadily..actually faster than 
any of my previous litters. 
Today I dropped them off to be spayed and neutered.  My biggest boy weighed 
2.6lbs, girl 2.2lbs and than my smallest boy who was the bottle feeder the 
longest came in at just about 2lbs.  I got a call this afternoon that the 
Feline Leukemia test came back positive.  They only tested 1 at the time so I 
brought them right to the clinic when I picked them up and they tested a 2nd 
one who also tested positive.  
At this point they have been completely unhelpful in giving me any info or 
reassurance.  The only good thing I got out of them was that they did tell me 
that they have a rescue that specifically pulls FIV/FELV+ cats and if my cats 
didnt "flip" they would be able to place them in the rescue.  That rescue 
claims they have a 90-95% flip rate of FELV/FIV+ kittens they pull under the 
age of 12 weeks...but they are grouping FELV and FIV together and I honestly 
have no idea how many kittens they have pulled to create this statistic for 
themselves (it could be 2 litters or hundreds)...they claim I have a high 
chance of my kittens still flipping negative.

I have/had adopters lined up for all 3 kittens.  I have contacted them all.  
One is going to look for another kitten.  Two have actually requested to 
wait..one is willing to wait "as long as it takes" to see if he will 
flip...even if it takes 6 months.  

For the past week I had given the kittens much more freedom in my house.  I 
know for a fact they drank from my 2 resident cats water dishes.  I also caught 
my 1 resident cat sneak into the kitten room and eating from their dish.  So 
they have been exposed. 

My main questions really are about the possibility of them flipping.  I cant 
seem to get any kind of consistent answer on this.  I have tons of other foster 
parents that keep reassuring me that the chances of them flipping to negative 
and just that they tested positive bc they are too young to have an accurate 
test and than looking online or talking with some others make it sound like the 
chance is higher of a flip if it was FIV not FELV. So what are the chances of 
them flipping?  Am I setting myself (and the potential adopters) up with false 
hope thinkng there could be a reasonable chance of them flipping to negative?  
Do I just keep testing every month for 6 months? 

They did the quick snap test.  Should I continue to do that test or at what 
point should I request or bring to my own vet to have another type of test 
done?  

If they flip to negative- does that really mean they are in the clear and its 
safe for them to be adopted into a home with other cats? 

Someone is suggesting that I take my resident cats in and have them FELV 
vaccinated immediately even though they were already exposed...should I do 
this?  I had called my vet and they told me to bring my cats in 2 months to be 
tested for FELV. 

So much mixed information has been given to me Im just so emotionally drained 
and confused on my next steps.  I've grown to love these kittens very much but 
Im in no position to make them permanent resident cats here for long term. At 
the most I think I could consider hanging onto the boy Henry who has the 
adopter willing to wait for him for the 6 months to see if he flips negative if 
its worth waiting that long.  I jus

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve & FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I personally have known about a dozen people who mix their positves to 
negatives - and negatives are not vaccinated either - and some of the cats have 
lived together, meaning share everything - grooming..etc.. amazingly, none of 
their negatives have become positives - though I have to say, all of they are 
adults cats - I am sure that kittens are more susceptible - and some of them 
are lving together for several years.
 



Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:12:49 -0700
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve & FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats



Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just 
yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats 
don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection 
results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in 
a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every 
day, he could.
If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does 
it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, 
litterboxes, etc.

 I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is 
rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus 
live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze 
right after the + sneezed he could be infected.
I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him 
in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it.
The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the 
basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not 
concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., 
The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit.
I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to 
infection.
All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated.
M
 
http://homelessnomore.webs.com/





From: Jo 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve & FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats

Is mixing like this recommended?  In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl
who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl
who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who
both tested negative and are vaccinated.  I recently lost my beautiful
2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn
as much as possible about it.  The older cats do not really interact with
the younger ones.  I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm
taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done.  Thank you
in advance for all your help.


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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

One of my Felk kittens, Orphie has dry form of FIP and using the experimental 
drug "PI" - we are seeing some success treating dry from of FIP with this drug 
- pls let me know if I can do any to help.
 



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From: molvey...@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 22:34:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

Yeah, got some updates but I'm too tired to explain.  I'll write back in the 
morning.  It does look like it's the dry form of FIP.  Getting an experimental 
drug to try.  Anyway, more later.  Thanks for asking.

Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on AT&T


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From: "Lynda Wilson" 
To: 
Subject: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, May 1, 2012 9:44 pm


Maureen,

How is she today? Any updates?

Best wishes!
Lynda
- Original Message - From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


> My Shadow was not FELv, he had a blood clot on his spine.  I let him out > 
> one morning and when i wnet to check on all of my cats, he could not get > 
> up.  He had been on the deck and the sun got hot, so he had drug himself > 
> into the shade.  When I tried to pick him up, he screamed.  We took him to > 
> Missouri Universtiy Vet hosp about 3 hours away.  They did and MRI and all > 
> kinds of tests.  We finally let him go because he was so old and would not > 
> have been able to make it thru surgery.
>
>  Lorrie  wrote:
>> I've had several FelV positive kittens who have been exactly like
>> this..Less playful than others their age, and finally wobbly
>> in the back legs then complete loss of the use of the back legs.
>>
>> Lorrie
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

We here in Albuquerque, just signed a contract with Best Friends to do very 
agressive TNR project and the city is receiving 1 million dollars from Best 
Friends in an effort.
Any healthy cats (tame or feral) who are trapped and brought over to the 
shelters are going to be spayed/neutered and returned to where they come from - 
the idea is to create NO KILL city.
We are already very agressive about TNR effort working with the city, but this 
will allow us to go to the next step.
 
I personally don't believe in testing cats for Felk/FIV - the idea is 
population control by spay/neuter - we simplay put them back where they come 
from.
Also audlts cats are more resistent in getting transmitted the virus evey by 
sharing food/water bowls - this is a finding  from my personal experience -



Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:40:17 -0500
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR








At least the cat colonies don’t have to freeze in the winter in FL like they do 
elsewhere…
Most TNR groups that I know of in this area don’t tests at all.
 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 1:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR
 
 

-- Forwarded message --
From: Heather 
Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org



Definitely not to argue, but to provide some perspective on high volume TNR and 
the ACA (and Neighborhood Cats) stance on routine testing of TNR ferals...

 

While millions of cats are of course killed in shelters each year nationally, 
the free roaming cat population on the streets may differ vastly 
geographically.  In my city (Tampa), there are hundreds of thousands of feral 
cats.   There are several of us constantly practicing TNR on the "population at 
large" (or colonies where the feeders are not fixing--a huge sore spot with us, 
too), meaning trapping pretty much every week, sometimes more than once a week, 
cats who are not at our own colonies.  Some of my friends trap anywhere from 10 
- 50 cats per week for TNR (and of course kittens and such are rescued as much 
as space/socialization/fosters permit, sick cats treated, etc.)  Routine 
TNR's--not being rescued for adoption or not being addressed/treated for 
illness are not tested.   If we tested every cat, we could only 
spay/neuter/vaccinate a fraction of the cats.  There would be far more 
(exponentially, we all know how cats can reproduce--here it's hot and a mama 
will have 3 litters a year) cats breeding, spreading illness.  There would be 
more negative AND more positive cats, and therefore since unfixed, also more 
positive (and negative) kittens being born on the streets.   In our city, we 
are serving the greater good by fixing as many as possible.   Since we all also 
do a lot of rescue, pulling friendlies/dumped cats, or cats to be treated for 
illness, from colonies, I can say we run into FELV fairly seldomly.  Despite my 
own very high # of colonies, in addition to helping people rescue and fix cats 
all over, I have run into FELV the most of anyone I know and it's really just 
been in two areas, close in proximity, where the feeders are NOT fixing the 
cats.  Disease definititely seems to proliferate where the cats are 
unsterilized, though of course I realize it spreads in other ways besides 
reproducing. 

 

As TNR has steadily increased in our county, the # of cats euthanized at our 
county AS has steadily declined--I can share a graph if anyone is interested, 
the results are absolutely amazing and pretty much in direct proportion in 
terms of euth decrease/TNR increase.   Several years ago 16K-18K cats were 
killed per year at this county shelter; now it is down to around 9K.

 

Even our own local Humane Society--which has the most awesome s/n/TNR clinic, 
but was very firm on testing for years, finally conceded with the 
ACA/Neighborhood Cats stance that, on routine TNR's not showing signs of 
illness, the resources are best spent in sterilizing more cats than on testing. 
 They do sometimes call us while assessing/operating and say they feel a 
particular cat needs to be tested.  They are elated by the decrease in shelter 
euthanasia as well.

 

I have no qualms returning an FIV+ cat to a safe area with a good caretaker, I 
had one FIV+ female who lived to be 14 outside until we brought her in to live 
her last 9 months due to geriatric issues.  Granted, this was on a university 
campus where we often have cats live to be over 10 years old (just a little 
different environment from the true streets such as fast food joints, etc.).

 

I hope me providing this perspective isn't resented--again, it's not intended 
to argue, just some comments to explain why many embrace the ACA perspective on 
not testing routine TNR's

 

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion and best pract

Re: [Felvtalk] Despair

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

 
When my cats are sick, I normally check the followings at first:
 
Color of the gum - pale
Color of the skin - jaundiced?
Body temp  - warm/hot is much better than "cold"
Breathing - labored/fast?
Hydration level - is skin elastic?
 
If all of the above are okay, and the condition is an acute condition as 
opposed to be chronic, it might be something not life threatening...
 



From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:58:47 -0600
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Despair



He may just need fluids!

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On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:03 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO  wrote:







I am not sure how long he has not eating, but I think you and he deserve to 
find out what's going on - it could be something easily treated - 
 


> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> From: botha.marin...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:38:56 +
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Despair
> 
> I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him 
> with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to heaven? 
> I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just lying in 
> the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible disease! 
> Marinda !
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Re: [Felvtalk] Despair

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I am not sure how long he has not eating, but I think you and he deserve to 
find out what's going on - it could be something easily treated - 
 

> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> From: botha.marin...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:38:56 +
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Despair
> 
> I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him 
> with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to heaven? 
> I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just lying in 
> the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible disease! 
> Marinda !
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, Thank you for asking..
 
Originally, there was a total of 11 felk kittens we had - and the kitten I 
mentioned to you who has been on LTCI, her name is Orphie - she was the 
smallest of all - the next smallest kitten, Little Blue unfortunately passed 
away, when she was seven weeks old, and Orphie almost died a couple of times 
also.. as mentiohned, she just never gained weight though she ate pretty well - 
 and all of sudden she stopped eating for a few times - and we made sure to 
keepn an close eye on them and give her subq fluid, everytime that happens and 
every time they have diarreah...
 
And we took seven of the larger kitteis to a sanctuary in Iowa.and I kept 
three smallest kittens - among those three, her brother Raisenette, and Wooley 
passed away due to FIP - I was so devastated.. among 7 kittens who went to 
Iowa, two kittens passed away, which also has been devastating --- now I have 
Orphie who has been on LTCI for about 6 months or so -- my Gigner who is 8 
years old, who also is felk kitty gets LTCI - but not often.. I used to give 
Orphine twice a week - split vials with Wooley and Raisenette as I could not 
afford, and also because they were so small to get a whole vial -- 
 
Now Orphie and Ginger gets a shot every two to three weeks - 
 
Hideyo
 



From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:39:45 -0600
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI



Hideyo,
This is great news for your kitten, you, and other Felv + cats that may have to 
have that someday. Very encouraging! How long will she be on it?

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On Jan 17, 2012, at 5:12 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO  wrote:







Hi, I have been using LTCI on my felk kitten and she has been doing great!
She was 1lb runt who had struggled to put any weights even when she was 3 to 4 
months old - however, since I have been putting her on LTCI - she has become so 
healthy - now she weighs almost 7lb!
 
Anyway, I am looking for someone who may want to split the vials with me - I 
normally purchase 10 vials - but since she is on LTCI for every 2 to 3 weeks 
now. I wanted to split someone to be economical.
10 vials is $440 to 450 wiht tax plus shipping - please contact me if you are 
interested in doing so.
 
thank you.
 
Hideyo
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, I have been using LTCI on my felk kitten and she has been doing great!
She was 1lb runt who had struggled to put any weights even when she was 3 to 4 
months old - however, since I have been putting her on LTCI - she has become so 
healthy - now she weighs almost 7lb!
 
Anyway, I am looking for someone who may want to split the vials with me - I 
normally purchase 10 vials - but since she is on LTCI for every 2 to 3 weeks 
now. I wanted to split someone to be economical.
10 vials is $440 to 450 wiht tax plus shipping - please contact me if you are 
interested in doing so.
 
thank you.
 
Hideyo
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I am in NM - 
Could the volunteer person mentioned in the original list pull her?

 



Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:30:29 -0900
From: khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
CC: caringfriendscatres...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.

There is a list of transporters on this FB page, as I wrote before: 
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=231576100186179

I know almost nothing about transport.

Also need someone to pull her.   She's down in Irvine and I'm up in L.A.   




On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:04 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO  
wrote:



I just saw her email - can we help make the arrangement to transport her to NYC 
somehow?
 




Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:35:18 -0800
From: westnint...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.



ill take her..i'm in new york city 





From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: cdza...@gmail.com 
Cc: Karineh Grigorian ; felineleuke...@yahoogroups.com; 
aa...@aol.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; "kitty4...@juno.com" 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.

Ask Karineh what three sanctuaries offered to take her Felv+ kitty.   One had a 
fee of $200, which seems very doable via Chipin. 
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:16 PM, kitty4...@juno.com  wrote: 

PLEASE CROSSPOST TO YOUR GROUPS.
 
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY 'ROOM AT THE INN' FOR THIS CAT?  PLEASE DIRECTLY CONTACT:  
cdza...@gmail.com.
 
THANX...MarionPlease note: forwarded message attachedFrom: Cyndi 
Zacko To: undisclosed-recipients:;Subject: Fwd: Felv+ 15 
year old will be euthanized Thursday.Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:36:18 -0800Please 
network - I would have her�RETESTED FOR SURE
-- Forwarded message --From: Caring Friends Cat Rescue 
Date: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:34 PMSubject: 
Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.To: "joyce@gmail.com" 
, Cyndi Zacko , faith rajac 
, Lorraine Rudolph  




I recieved this e-mail from one of my volunteers today. One of her students 
found this kitty and her mom took it to the Irvine Shelter. She tested positive 
for felv. They believe she's around 15 years old. If no one steps up to take 
her they are going to euthanized her on Thursday. Does anyone have a safe comfy 
place for this kitty?
Please contact the Irvine shelter if you can help her.
Julie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I just saw her email - can we help make the arrangement to transport her to NYC 
somehow?
 



Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:35:18 -0800
From: westnint...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.



ill take her..i'm in new york city 




From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: cdza...@gmail.com 
Cc: Karineh Grigorian ; felineleuke...@yahoogroups.com; 
aa...@aol.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; "kitty4...@juno.com" 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.

Ask Karineh what three sanctuaries offered to take her Felv+ kitty.   One had a 
fee of $200, which seems very doable via Chipin. 
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:16 PM, kitty4...@juno.com  wrote: 

PLEASE CROSSPOST TO YOUR GROUPS.
 
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY 'ROOM AT THE INN' FOR THIS CAT?  PLEASE DIRECTLY CONTACT:  
cdza...@gmail.com.
 
THANX...MarionPlease note: forwarded message attachedFrom: Cyndi 
Zacko To: undisclosed-recipients:;Subject: Fwd: Felv+ 15 
year old will be euthanized Thursday.Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:36:18 -0800Please 
network - I would have her�RETESTED FOR SURE
-- Forwarded message --From: Caring Friends Cat Rescue 
Date: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:34 PMSubject: 
Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.To: "joyce@gmail.com" 
, Cyndi Zacko , faith rajac 
, Lorraine Rudolph  




I recieved this e-mail from one of my volunteers today. One of her students 
found this kitty and her mom took it to the Irvine Shelter. She tested positive 
for felv. They believe she's around 15 years old. If no one steps up to take 
her they are going to euthanized her on Thursday. Does anyone have a safe comfy 
place for this kitty?
Please contact the Irvine shelter if you can help her.
Julie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Will someone be willing to arrange transportation to out of state if we are to 
take her?
 



From: korruptaki...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:40:48 -0800
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old


Friends of Cats, in Lakeside, has an opening for FeLV, I understand.  They 
charge $500.






Please note: forwarded message attachedFrom: Cyndi Zacko 
To: undisclosed-recipients:;Subject: Fwd: Felv+ 15 year 
old will be euthanized Thursday.Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:36:18 -0800Please 
network - I would have her�RETESTED FOR SURE-- Forwarded 
message --From: Caring Friends Cat Rescue 
Date: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:34 PMSubject: 
Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.To: "joyce@gmail.com" 
, Cyndi Zacko , faith rajac 
, Lorraine Rudolph  
I recieved this e-mail from one of my volunteers today. One of her students 
found this kitty and her mom took it to the Irvine Shelter. She tested positive 
for felv. They believe she's around 15 years old. If no one steps up to take 
her they are going to euthanized her on Thursday. Does anyone have a safe comfy 
place for this kitty?
Please contact the Irvine shelter if you can help her.<

Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks good 
before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC might be 
a little off -
I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of 
triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month 
after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of it 
as she was completely healthy - I was devastated.
 
Hideyo
 

> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500
> From: felineres...@frontier.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
> 
> I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or
> spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery
> just fine regardless of their FelV status.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in
> > October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time
> > and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
> > neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a
> > positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system
> > problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding
> > out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any
> > input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
> > vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed
> > positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she
> > said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was
> > drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Thisi is not reagarding Felk virus per se.  But I wanted to share as it can be 
somewhat relevant.
 
I have at least 6 or 7 kitties who was tested negative on SNAP test on FIV - 
but came back as positve on ELISA at LAB - but whenever this happened, SNAP 
test result ended up being the correct one, and ELISA at LAB was false positive 
- as they all ended up being negative via Western BLot - what I was told by the 
lab expert at Cornell University was that, ELISA test can be too sensitive and 
can cause false positive - I never had reverse results - just as FYI.
 



From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:40:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!





Here's how my vet friend explained things to me which will clarify a little 
about what Beth is saying about the IFA test.

The IFA test looks to see if the virus is in the white blood cells.  It's not a 
bone marrow test however, white blood cells are produced in the bone marrow, so 
if the virus is in the white blood cells then it's because it's replicating in 
the bone marrow.  If it's not replicating in the bone marrow the FeLV virus 
could still be in the bone marrow but dormant.  You wouldn't know that without 
a bone marrow test because it's just sitting there not doing anything and not 
spreading or causing problems.
 
 
So here's what the vet has told me about the all ways of testing:
 
The first screening test is the ELISA test.  The ELISA test can be performed 
two ways.  It can be done using a snap test kit in the vet's office or the 
blood sample can be sent to a lab where they do a "Well test."  The well test 
is also an ELISA test that looks for small fragments of the virus in the 
bloodstream but just done a different way and uses a much larger blood sample.  
The ELISA test that is done with a snap test kit in the vet's office is also 
called a combo test because it looks for FIV also.  Then there is the 3 way 
snap test kit which looks for FIV, FeLV and heartworms.  I think the ELISA test 
that is done in a well by sending the blood to a lab just looks for FeLV, not 
the other two.  I'm not positive though.
 
So, the ELISA test looks to see if there are small fragments of the virus in 
the blood stream.  Part of the virus could be in the bloodstream but not in the 
white blood cells.  It gets into the oral cavities and bloodstream before it 
goes into the bone marrow.  When it gets into the bone marrow it could start 
replicating and then it gets into the white blood cells.  The IFA test looks to 
see if the virus is in the white blood cells.  So from my understanding, the 
virus has to progress from the bloodstream into the bone marrow and replicate 
like Beth is saying to get into the white blood cells.  Usually once it's 
starts replicating in the bone marrow and getting into the white blood cells 
the cat will not be able to fight off the virus.
 
FYI - my vet has also said that the 3 way snap test kits don't seem to be as 
reliable as the combo snap test kit.
 
So that's a very simple and basic way of explaining the different ways of 
testing and what they look at to determine what stage the virus is in as it 
spreads throughout the body.  That's my understanding and I hope it's correct.
 



Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:12:39 -0800
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!



The IFA tests weather the virus is replicating in the bone marrow. You can have 
a positive SNAP & a negative IFA. This does NOT mean the cat is negative. It 
just means the virus is not replicating in the bone marrow. 
Any test can be done wrong & labs can mix up donors with specimins. It happens 
with humans, it can certainly happen in our pets. 

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 





From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

The IFA is not testing the bone marrow, thoughthat would be yet another
test.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

It is possible the SNAP tests were positive & an IFA was negative because
the virus had not progressed to the bone marrow. I also wonder if the SNAP
tests that were positive were done on the new 3way tests. Our shelter
stopped using them because they were not dependable.

Kat Parker  wrote:

>*Very scary.. see below..*
>
>--Original Message--
>From: Ellen Fawl
>To: rescuealliancew...@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Scary FELV test results!
>Sent: Nov 22, 2011 11:16 PM
>
>I need to share this so it can get to the FELV Lists and whomever is 
>following this testing debacle. We took in 5 Persians last week. We had 
>them combo tested with the standard Snap tes

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV fast advancing strain?

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, Marta,
My two cents is that, just because the kitty is tested positive for Felk, you 
may not want to assume that it is the felk virus that is going the symptoms.
As you know, Felk kittens have weakened immue system, so they are very 
susceptive to different type of illness, infections, cancers... etc...
 
Have they run for chemistry panel on him?  Does he have regenerative or non 
regenerative anemia?  any parasites?
 
I have a few felk kitens myself - one of the kittens developed uevitis, and 
another kittehn started having a diffuclty breathing,, I thought uevitis was 
from felk virus, and diffculty breathing was from medistinal lymphma (fluid 
build up in the chest caviity) as it's very common among young felk kittens 
--but in stead, I found out that what they have if FIP - I am very much 
devastated... right now, clinically they are doing well - they are on LTCI, 
alpah interferon right now.. and  I am taking one day at atime..
 
I hope your kitty gets better.
 
Hideyo
 



Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:22:09 -0700
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV fast advancing strain?






I knew this list was someplace but couldn't find it..now I've.
I live in Nebraska and do cat rescue and TNR..the first time I came accross the 
disease was last Fall when a feral that I had relocated to my backyard became 
seriouly ill and tested FeLV+. She was euthanized two weeks later because had 
gone blind and was in terrible pain(uveitis etc)
Then not yet a month ago I brought back a cat that a friend had taken from an 
abusive home a year ago at which time he had a broken leg but otherwise was 
very well..or seemed to.
She couldn't care for her cats anymore so I brought Tiger to my house, he is 
FeLV+ and a shadow of what he was a year ago, looks like he's on the end stage, 
very emaciated, skin issues, difficulty swallowing sometimes, diahrrea, sores 
around eyes.
He is a happy cat though, eats like a horse, wants to play but between his bad 
leg and anemia sometimes he falls down.
There were other FeLV+ cats in the house and some died shortly after the 
original owners took them back.
My question; is there an strain that can kill a cat in a year or so? They were 
all snap tested only, except one that had a PCR and it came back positive, some 
tested negative but looked sick so they'll retest.
I don't want to rush anything for Tiger unless he's in pain and he doesn't seem 
to be, should I PCR him? He has an URI and had coccidia so was medicated for 
it, had fleas but I can't find anymore fleas or flea dirt. I'm not spraying or 
putting topicals on him b/c of his sores and  little scabs all over that 
sometimes bleed.
I'd appreciate any comments..thank-you and happy to be on the list
Marta


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Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a distributor in 
Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor.
 



From: drsiebl...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI


Definitely try to get some LTCI.  We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of 
his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit 
longer.  LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your 
vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet.  I was paying 
roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more 
aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to 
this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous injection - 
immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection.  The IV injection 
will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. 
Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he 
didn't need and quickly wore him out.  Tcyte can also slow the inevitable 
appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer.  Many benefits with this stuff.  Please 
call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and will give you all the 
info you need.

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On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda  wrote:





Hi everyone
I really need some help. 
fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the 
basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i cannot 
find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and his 
hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know what to 
think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the base of his 
ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen such clean ears. 
I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't working, or doees it 
take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of improvement, but now I 
feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the vet. What about this 
LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is it better than 
immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting away here fast 
and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I do
Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK? 
 
Thanks so much
Marcia


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wrote:



Where do you guys get LTCI?
the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to have 
10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the best 
place to get LTCI?
 
hideyo

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Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

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Where do you guys get LTCI?
the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to have 
10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the best 
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Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Sorry - correction - I meant to say - Felk virus SEEMS to be very fragile - 
Sorry!
 



From: hideyo.yamam...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:49:36 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed





I always believe that, things happen for a reason - we may not know why right 
away.. but it does - and I truly believe that something good will come out of 
the situation - 
 
Contrary to some literature, felk virus does not seem to be very fragile in the 
air - as mentioned, my friends mix their kitties - and they have several 
kitties - and none of their negatives has become positve -they groom each 
other, they wrestle each other, they share food/water bowls.. 
 
  h
 

> From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:04:42 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
> 
> Thank you Hideyo! I felt so guilty and a lot of other things, all of you have 
> helped so much. You have given me hope.
> Take care
> Marcia
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:15 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO  wrote:
> 
> > Hi, I did not read the original message - but I just wanted to share.
> > 
> > I have one Felk girl, her name is gigner and she is now 7 years old -and I 
> > also have a couple of friends who have several felk kitties - they are all 
> > over 10 years old and they are all very healthty -
> > 
> > Separately, I also have a couple of friends who mix their felk positive 
> > kitties wiht non negatives for a several years - they share eveyrthing - 
> > but none of their negatives have beome positives - 
> > 
> > Sending good thoughts to all of your babies.
> > 
> > h
> > 
> > > From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:31:39 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
> > > 
> > > Thanks for all the hope that you have given me. Fletch had the ELISA 
> > > test. Today I took Wildfire and Shay over and they tested negative. 
> > > Tomorrow I will take Alvin. ( my grandkids name my cats for me(-:). They 
> > > vacd Shay and Wildfire, so I'm hoping they have a chance. My house is 
> > > completely open so I cannot separate Fletch from the others. 
> > > Exactly how long does the virus last outside of the body, I seem to find 
> > > conflicting opinions on this! I let my vet know that I have all of you 
> > > now...thank all of you so much.
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > > 
> > > On Aug 22, 2011, at 7:31 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi Marcia!
> > > > 
> > > > So sorry to hear of this sad news! But there is hope. Did Fletch have 
> > > > an ELISA and an IFA test? Were they both positive or just the ELISA 
> > > > test?
> > > > 
> > > > If he was positive on just the ELISA test, then there is still a chance 
> > > > for his immune system to clear the virus. You will need to test him 
> > > > again in a month to give him that chance to be able to fight it off. If 
> > > > he is positive on both tests, then you need to start treating him 
> > > > (interferon for starters). I don't have experience with all the 
> > > > treatments but I know many people on this thread can help you.
> > > > 
> > > > I'll be thinking of Fletch and hope he can pull through this. With the 
> > > > right treatment and diet, many FeLV cats can survive for many years.
> > > > 
> > > > Good luck to both of you!
> > > > Lynda
> > > > - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" 
> > > > 
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:04 PM
> > > > Subject: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >> Hi everyone! My one year old sweet litle boy was just diagnosed. I 
> > > >> have a million questions and hope to learn a lot from all of you. This 
> > > >> is every hard to swallow. I have 3 other adult cats in myj house that 
> > > >> have not been vaccinated for felv. I didn't see a reason for it, I 
> > > >> didn't trust the vaccine and I am sorry now. Funny thing is, is that I 
> > > >> tried so hard to keep my cats healthy. I wouldn't even wear my shoes 
> > > >> in the house for fear I would carry something in!
> > &

Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I always believe that, things happen for a reason - we may not know why right 
away.. but it does - and I truly believe that something good will come out of 
the situation - 
 
Contrary to some literature, felk virus does not seem to be very fragile in the 
air - as mentioned, my friends mix their kitties - and they have several 
kitties - and none of their negatives has become positve -they groom each 
other, they wrestle each other, they share food/water bowls.. 
 
  h
 

> From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:04:42 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
> 
> Thank you Hideyo! I felt so guilty and a lot of other things, all of you have 
> helped so much. You have given me hope.
> Take care
> Marcia
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:15 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO  wrote:
> 
> > Hi, I did not read the original message - but I just wanted to share.
> > 
> > I have one Felk girl, her name is gigner and she is now 7 years old -and I 
> > also have a couple of friends who have several felk kitties - they are all 
> > over 10 years old and they are all very healthty -
> > 
> > Separately, I also have a couple of friends who mix their felk positive 
> > kitties wiht non negatives for a several years - they share eveyrthing - 
> > but none of their negatives have beome positives - 
> > 
> > Sending good thoughts to all of your babies.
> > 
> > h
> > 
> > > From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:31:39 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
> > > 
> > > Thanks for all the hope that you have given me. Fletch had the ELISA 
> > > test. Today I took Wildfire and Shay over and they tested negative. 
> > > Tomorrow I will take Alvin. ( my grandkids name my cats for me(-:). They 
> > > vacd Shay and Wildfire, so I'm hoping they have a chance. My house is 
> > > completely open so I cannot separate Fletch from the others. 
> > > Exactly how long does the virus last outside of the body, I seem to find 
> > > conflicting opinions on this! I let my vet know that I have all of you 
> > > now...thank all of you so much.
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > > 
> > > On Aug 22, 2011, at 7:31 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi Marcia!
> > > > 
> > > > So sorry to hear of this sad news! But there is hope. Did Fletch have 
> > > > an ELISA and an IFA test? Were they both positive or just the ELISA 
> > > > test?
> > > > 
> > > > If he was positive on just the ELISA test, then there is still a chance 
> > > > for his immune system to clear the virus. You will need to test him 
> > > > again in a month to give him that chance to be able to fight it off. If 
> > > > he is positive on both tests, then you need to start treating him 
> > > > (interferon for starters). I don't have experience with all the 
> > > > treatments but I know many people on this thread can help you.
> > > > 
> > > > I'll be thinking of Fletch and hope he can pull through this. With the 
> > > > right treatment and diet, many FeLV cats can survive for many years.
> > > > 
> > > > Good luck to both of you!
> > > > Lynda
> > > > - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" 
> > > > 
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:04 PM
> > > > Subject: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >> Hi everyone! My one year old sweet litle boy was just diagnosed. I 
> > > >> have a million questions and hope to learn a lot from all of you. This 
> > > >> is every hard to swallow. I have 3 other adult cats in myj house that 
> > > >> have not been vaccinated for felv. I didn't see a reason for it, I 
> > > >> didn't trust the vaccine and I am sorry now. Funny thing is, is that I 
> > > >> tried so hard to keep my cats healthy. I wouldn't even wear my shoes 
> > > >> in the house for fear I would carry something in!
> > > >> Anyway, my little boy Fletch has a fever, horrible looking coat and I 
> > > >> can feel his hipbones and some of his backbone. He continues to eat 
> > > >> and drink ok. They are on a grain free diet and have a water fountain.
> &

Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, I did not read the original message - but I just wanted to share.
 
I have one Felk girl, her name is gigner and she is now 7 years old -and I also 
have a couple of friends who have several felk kitties - they are all over 10 
years old and they are all very healthty -
 
Separately, I also have a couple of friends who mix their felk positive kitties 
wiht non negatives for a several years  - they share eveyrthing - but none of 
their negatives have beome positives - 
 
Sending good thoughts to all of your babies.
 
h
 

> From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:31:39 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
> 
> Thanks for all the hope that you have given me. Fletch had the ELISA test. 
> Today I took Wildfire and Shay over and they tested negative. Tomorrow I will 
> take Alvin. ( my grandkids name my cats for me(-:). They vacd Shay and 
> Wildfire, so I'm hoping they have a chance. My house is completely open so I 
> cannot separate Fletch from the others. 
> Exactly how long does the virus last outside of the body, I seem to find 
> conflicting opinions on this! I let my vet know that I have all of you 
> now...thank all of you so much.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Aug 22, 2011, at 7:31 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Marcia!
> > 
> > So sorry to hear of this sad news! But there is hope. Did Fletch have an 
> > ELISA and an IFA test? Were they both positive or just the ELISA test?
> > 
> > If he was positive on just the ELISA test, then there is still a chance for 
> > his immune system to clear the virus. You will need to test him again in a 
> > month to give him that chance to be able to fight it off. If he is positive 
> > on both tests, then you need to start treating him (interferon for 
> > starters). I don't have experience with all the treatments but I know many 
> > people on this thread can help you.
> > 
> > I'll be thinking of Fletch and hope he can pull through this. With the 
> > right treatment and diet, many FeLV cats can survive for many years.
> > 
> > Good luck to both of you!
> > Lynda
> > - Original Message - From: "Marcia Baronda" 
> > 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:04 PM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed
> > 
> > 
> >> Hi everyone! My one year old sweet litle boy was just diagnosed. I have a 
> >> million questions and hope to learn a lot from all of you. This is every 
> >> hard to swallow. I have 3 other adult cats in myj house that have not been 
> >> vaccinated for felv. I didn't see a reason for it, I didn't trust the 
> >> vaccine and I am sorry now. Funny thing is, is that I tried so hard to 
> >> keep my cats healthy. I wouldn't even wear my shoes in the house for fear 
> >> I would carry something in!
> >> Anyway, my little boy Fletch has a fever, horrible looking coat and I can 
> >> feel his hipbones and some of his backbone. He continues to eat and drink 
> >> ok. They are on a grain free diet and have a water fountain.
> >> Thanks so much for being here.
> >> 
> >> Marcia
> >> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Absolutely agree!
 
Any vets whose first word when seeing felk positive cat is to KILL should not 
even be a veterinarian - must be an idiot, don't know anything about the virus.
 
Hideyo
 

> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:40:21 -0400
> From: felineres...@frontier.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
> 
> I
> On 06-22, Edna Taylor wrote:
> > 
> > Good for you Katy and I don't trust any vet whose first option is
> > kill the kitten :(
> 
> 
> I agree. Our vet never suggests euthanasia, but does tell me
> the possible outcome with a FelV pos. cat.
> 
> 
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[Felvtalk] LTCI - can it be used for 5 week old kittens?

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, I have used LTCI on several of my adult kitties -
but I wanted to try on some of these 11 felk positive kittens - as a couple of 
them are very small -
Does anyone know if they are safe for 5 to 6 week old kittens?
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

What country are you in?
 
I also rescue, I lost so many cats to dry FIP in the past - how is her eye? - 
is there any uevitis in either of her eye?
Lysine may also help if she has chronic URI.
 
Hideyo
 
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:53:00 +0200
> From: estherjo...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise
> 
> Thank you for your answer. Indeed, FIP is always a posibility, but in this
> case, is not clear and the antibiotic good response seems to confirm it. I
> had dealed with PIF 4 times and know well it. The wet is not worried about
> it. But, in any case, I am not sure about toxoplasma. Protein is altered,
> high gamma but normal albumina in blood work . A/G ratio is 0,4. The anemia
> is caused because the Fel viruses is in the bone marrow. The vet suggest low
> dose omega interferon orally, at long term... Xana also has chronic flu, i
> mean feline herpesvirus.
> 
> Btw i am cat rescue person, Xana was trapped when she was a kitten I was
> lucky to find a fostering home. She is the only cat at home...
> Well, any idea will be very usefull
> And sorry, english is not my language. Thanks again
> El 14/06/2011 21:30, "HIDEYO YAMAMOTO"  escribió:
> >
> > I have used feline omega interferon on many many cats in the past - there
> really is no side effect I have experienced with my cats.
> > it's been said, when used for a long term, it may suppress their bone
> marrow, which may cause anemia - but this never happens when using for a
> short term.
> > What was the lab work look like? Did your vet suspect dry FIP by any
> chance - you will normally see elevated gloublin/decreased albumin - and
> sometimes elevated bilrubin with mild anmeia -
> > The symptoms of dry FIP can be similar to toxoplasimosis -
> >
> > Hideyo
> >
> >> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:52:54 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise
> >>
> >> I thought FeLV stood for Feline Leukemia Virus
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Natalie" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:37 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise
> >>
> >>
> >> > Leukemia or FeLV?
> >> > I had a cat that had leukemia (not FeLV) and she died very quickly - we
> 
> >> > had
> >> > no idea when it started...she began feeling tired, then got a low-grade
> >> > fever
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Esther Jorda
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:28 AM
> >> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise
> >> >
> >> > Xana, my baby is now 2,5 yo. I suspect she developped leukemia,
> although
> >> > the
> >> > vet is not 100% sure.
> >> >
> >> > She is now with antibiotics. She had fever, convulsions, ataxia...
> Blood
> >> > work shows anaemia, hematocrit 25%. white cells were highly increased.
> >> > Toxoplasma vas positive to igg( 1/10), (igm negative, < 1/10).
> >> >
> >> > About Felv the vet suggest to put her under omega interferon orally, at
> 
> >> > low
> >> > dose... dayly for at least 3 months.
> >> >
> >> > I am asking about side effects... can you give us some advise??
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Esther
> >> > = ^..^ =
> >> > adopta a
> >> > Gracia<
> http://globaldefensagats.blogspot.com/search/label/1.3.Adoptar%20en%2
> >> > 0Gracia><
> http://globaldefensagats.blogspot.com/2010/09/adoptar-en-gracia.htm
> >> > l>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I have used feline omega interferon on many many cats in the past - there 
really is no side effect I have experienced with my cats.
it's been said, when used for a long term, it may suppress their bone marrow, 
which may cause anemia - but this never happens when using for a short term.
What was the lab work look like?  Did your vet suspect dry FIP by any chance - 
you will normally see elevated gloublin/decreased albumin - and sometimes 
elevated bilrubin with mild anmeia - 
The symptoms of dry FIP can be similar to toxoplasimosis - 
 
Hideyo
 
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:52:54 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise
> 
> I thought FeLV stood for Feline Leukemia Virus
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Natalie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise
> 
> 
> > Leukemia or FeLV?
> > I had a cat that had leukemia (not FeLV) and she died very quickly - we 
> > had
> > no idea when it started...she began feeling tired, then got a low-grade
> > fever
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Esther Jorda
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:28 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise
> >
> > Xana, my baby is now 2,5 yo. I suspect she developped leukemia, although 
> > the
> > vet is not 100% sure.
> >
> > She is now with antibiotics. She had fever, convulsions, ataxia... Blood
> > work shows anaemia, hematocrit 25%. white cells were highly increased.
> > Toxoplasma vas positive to igg( 1/10), (igm negative, < 1/10).
> >
> > About Felv the vet suggest to put her under omega interferon orally, at 
> > low
> > dose... dayly for at least 3 months.
> >
> > I am asking about side effects... can you give us some advise??
> >
> > -- 
> >
> > Esther
> > = ^..^ =
> > adopta a
> > Gracia > 0Gracia> > l>
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[Felvtalk] Raising money for 11 felk kittens

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Thank you so very much for all who have shoown interests and compassions for 
these adorable Felk kittens - they are all doing well, eating well, and playing 
well.
Currehtly, we have an offer - a sort of barn situation (in/out), while we are 
grateful, but still worried about wild life - as these guys are veyr tame and 
some have light colors - and I would really like them to feel safe and cared 
for whereever they go.
 
Second Chance Meow offered to take all of 11 kittens and care, and provide any 
necessarly medical care for them, which we are grateful.
But it requires about $3500 as surrender fee -- unfortunately we don't have 
that type of funding right now, so I am personally trying to raise the money.
 
Any donations will be so appreciated.  They sound like very caring and 
wonderful people and I really would like to make this happen.
Any one who will be abel to donate any amount of money, please contact me 
personally.
 
Thank you so very much,
 
 
Hideyo and all the kittens :) 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Despartely seeking for help/advise - Felk Kittens - OT

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

We are un Albuquerque, NM - but we will bring the kittens anywhere.
 
thank you.
 
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:23:58 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Despartely seeking for help/advise - Felk Kittens 
> - OT
> 
> In what state/town is needing this help?
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "HIDEYO YAMAMOTO" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 2:46 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Despartely seeking for help/advise - Felk Kittens - 
> OT
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello everone, It's been a long time to come back here - I need your help.
> >
> > I am trying to reach out to as many as people possible hoping that, there 
> > will be a good solution to this situation.
> > One of the local rescue group have eleven 5 week old kittens (their moms 
> > were put back as TNR) - the kittens are all healthy.
> > The rescue group was going to euthanize all the kittens yesterday as they 
> > felt that, they would not be able to adopt them out.
> > but a feral cat/TNR group in town offered to take these kittens temporary 
> > in an effort to try to find a home for each one of them - I know it sound 
> > like a mission impossilbe - I strongly believe that, if we try hard 
> > enough, we can find a good home for everyone.
> >
> > But I am hoping that someone in the groups may have some ideas or may be 
> > able to adopt/forester one or some of these kittens -
> > We just don't want them to get killed as they are so very healthy.
> >
> > Please contact me personally if you have any idea/offers/suggestions at 
> > all - any idea is very much appreciated.
> > And please do feel free to forward this message to anyone.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Sincerey,
> >
> > Hideyo
> >
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[Felvtalk] FW: Despartely seeking for help/advise - Felk Kittens - OT

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

 


Hello everone, It's been a long time to come back here - I need your help.
 
I am trying to reach out to as many as people possible hoping that, there will 
be a good solution to this situation.
One of the local rescue group have eleven 5 week old kittens (their moms were 
put back as TNR) - the kittens are all healthy.
The rescue group was going to euthanize all the kittens yesterday as they felt 
that, they would not be able to adopt them out.
but a feral cat/TNR group in town offered to take these kittens temporary in an 
effort to try to find a home for each one of them - I know it sound like a  
mission impossilbe - I strongly believe that, if we try hard enough, we can 
find a good home for everyone.
 
But I am hoping that someone in the groups may have some ideas or may be able 
to adopt/forester one or some of these kittens -
We just don't want them to get killed as they are so very healthy.
 
Please contact me personally if you have any idea/offers/suggestions at all - 
any idea is very much appreciated.
And please do feel free to forward this message to anyone.
 
Thank you.
 
Sincerey,
 
Hideyo
 
  
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Re: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...I am unsubscribing the list

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

This is just horrible! I am sorry but I just don't understand why you even took 
him to the pound anyway. That's the studiest thing I ever heard!! (I am sorry - 
but I am just too upset about this situation) -- 
Sometimes people may have a good intention, but just not good enough - a 
precious litel life is taken away from our ignorance -
This just did it for me - I am going to unsubscribe the list - I cannot keep 
reading these posts. I wish I were stronger.  I wanted to help people who need 
a help and wanted to share my experience.   I can't stop crying to find out 
what happened to marmalade -- I hope whoever was involved in the lose of 
marmalade will learn a precious lesson and not to let her death in vain -

But don't ever ever take feral to the pound -- I am so angry!! What were you 
thinking!!!?
If you don't know what you are doing,, please know, sometimes, things are 
better untouched -- especially with feral kitties.

I wish you all good luck, thank you those who suppored me when I needed it.

Dear mamalade,
Please forgive our ignorance and what we did to you - may your soul rest peace 
now, may your soul come back to have a longer and happier life - I am so very 
sorry,, I wish I could have done something to take you away before they did 
anything to you..
The meantime, to honor your soul, I am going to name my little feral orange 
kitty whom I rescued a week ago, and who is now living with me, after you, 
Marmalade.

my deepest love and hugs to you, precious little sould, marmalade..


Hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: glenda Goodman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:01 AM
  Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...



  --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
  > From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
  > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  > 
  > HELLO EVERYONE, 
  > THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
  > THE
  > WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
  > NOW. 
  > I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
  > HAPPENED:  
  > WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE. HIS
  > PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT DOWN
  > THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
  > KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
  > SECTION...I
  > GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
  > 
  > EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
  > UPSET
  > WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
  > AFRAID
  > TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB IT
  > IN
  > A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
  > NIGHT
  > MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED. 
  > 
  > THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO LOVE
  > AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
  > RELATIONSHIP,
  > TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE TOOK
  > MARMALADE'S LITTLE BODY TO THE CLINIC DOWN THE
  > STREET,
  > TO THE VET. HE WAS TESTED BY A GAL NAMED DARCY AT
  > MIDTOWN ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN GERING, NEBRASKA. THE
  > TEST
  > WAS NEGATIVE FOR FeLV AND FIV. THEY ESTIMATED THE
  > CAT
  > TO BE ABOUT 2-YEARS OLD. I WAS TOLD THEY FIRST
  > NOTICED
  > A LOT OF BATTLE SCARS ON HIM ,SO THEY THOUGHT HE
  > MIGHT
  > TEST POSITIVE...WELL, HE DIDNOT  TEST  
  > POSITIVE! 
  > 
  > I TOLD DEB S. , THE DIRECTOR, ON THE PHONE I WOULD
  > HAVE FOUGHT HER TOOTH AND NAIL TO SAVE THIS CAT IF
  > HE
  > WERE ALIVE AND TESTED OUT LIKE HE DID AND BEING
  > YOUNG
  > LIKE HE WAS...SHE COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS WHERE I"M
  > COMING FROM AND I DO BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE COME TO A
  > SOLUTION SOMEHOW. SHE IS A VERY GOOD PERSON AND LIKE
  > THE REST OF US ,BUT WITH A VERY HARD JOB...THE GAL,
  > A
  > WORKER AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY TOLD ME EVERYONE FELT
  > SICK YESTERDAY AFTER THIS HAPPENED. 
  > 
  > WE ALL HAVE SUCH A LONG WAY TO GO TO MASTER THE
  > PERFECT WAYS TO PROTECT OUR ANIMALS. IT REALLY IS
  > JUST
  > SUCH A HARD WORLD...I THINK EVERYONE OF US COULD
  > JUST
  > CRY OUR EYES OUT ALL DAY LONG FOR ALL THE SADNESS IN
  > THE WORLD. I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SO MUCH! 
  > 
  > I WILL BE TALKING WITH A COUPLE OF THESE FERAL CAT
  > ORGANIZATIONS TO SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET SOMETHING
  > STARTED HERE. 
  > THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS TALKING TO DEB, OUR HS
  > DIRECTOR HERE, SHE TOLD ME SHE DID NOT LIKE THE TNR
  > PROGRAMS THAT MUCH. I PERSONALLY, COULD ONLY AGREE
  > WITH SUCH PROGRAMS IF ALL THE CATS WERE DISEASE FREE
  > AND VERY WELL CARED FOR...THAT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE
  > WILLING TO BE VERY INVOLVED. 
  > I WILL TELL YOU, I LIVED IN MAUI, HAWAII FOR CLOSE
  > TO
  > FIVE YEARS , 2001-2005.  I WAS ON THE BOARD OF THEIR
  > HUMANE SOCIETY FOR ROUGHLY A YEAR + AND I BECAME
  > AWARE
  > OF THE FERAL CAT SITUATION THERE, WHICH IS MASSIVE.
  > I
  > HAD FRIENDS INVOLVED 

Re: Exactly what are my rights here?

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

It's devastating -- I was in a similar situation, but I was able to get the cat 
out - who to say whether a cat was feral or not - I don't agree with any of the 
things that has been posted.  You should be able to get the kitty out!!!

You can get the cat out - for a different way.
You can simply claim that that was your cat - which I did twice  - though they 
were not mine - the fact that they were acting wild or trapped in a trapp has 
nothing to do with the fact that a cat is feral or not-how could they prove 
that they are not your cat?  They can't.
What kind of city is this?  we give ALL the animals at least 7 days for an 
adoption -
I don't understand this - why did the cop take you your personal trap?  It is 
your personal pocesssion - I don't believe they had a right to take him -- it's 
so frustrating,, I will be s upset if they had put him down 
- this is not right.

Please let us know what you find out asap -- 

so devastated

Hideyo

  - Original Message - 
  From: Melissa Lind 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:30 AM
  Subject: RE: Exactly what are my rights here?


  Hi Glenda,

  I didn't read this until this morning at work. What horrible people for not
  letting you back to see Marmalade. I've got my fingers crossed for him. It's
  so sad how many people don't care about our fellow creatures. Let us know
  right away about Marmalade. He sounds like a great cat who deserves a chance
  (don't they all?!).

  Melissa

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman
  Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:18 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

  Hello everyone,
  Several of you here know my story about trapping an
  orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat
  was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal
  trap. The cat was then transported to our local
  shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over,
  he became the property of the county shelter...He was
  trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to
  call the officer...
  The shelter decided Monday morning he was a
  wild"feral" cat and told me he was put in with the
  wild kitties and would have to be put down. They did
  say they would wait 3-days to see if anyone came
  forward to claim him. I went in Monday morning to see
  the kitty and get my trap back...I was told I could
  not see him. I asked if I could take him to be
  tested.After some discussion, I was told I could. I
  made the appt. for that Monday. I was then told I
  could not test him until Thursday, after the 3-day
  waiting period. I went to the shelter yesterday
  morning to visit the kitty. I just wanted to see him ,
  see if he might talk back to me, show some sign of
  wanting me to work with him. I was told by a worker
  ,because he was in the wild kitty section, I  was not
  allowed to see him...I was told the reason being they
  were worried about liability...I tried to understand
  their point and did not want to be too much of a thorn
  in their behind, because at least they had given me
  permission to have the cat tested on Thursday morning.
  I had an appt. for 9:15 am. The shelter opens at
  9:00am. I was using the same vet they use...
  Last night I was heading down to the shelter after
  work and had decided to bring up some points about if
  this kitty tested negative for the FeLV and FIV and I
  decided to neuter this cat...after all I already had
  an investment in the cat and if the cat were
  young...looked under three years old...was there maybe
  someone who might enjoy the challenge of working with
  a feral...if indeed this cat was a feral...Things like
  that...I called my friend on the way home and decided
  one more day would not hurt that much and at least
  after the test I'd have one important plus to work
  with if the cat tested clean...Us cat people do tend
  to rattle people enough as it is...
  Well, I got home tonight and there was a message on my
  phone from the director of our shelter...It was: Hi
  Glenda, I have some good and bad news for you.  If you
  get this before 7:00pm give me a call @Otherwise
  call me in the morning...I got the message after 
  9:00pm.
  Well guys, nothing like suspense...I hate to jump to
  conclusions , but I bet they put the cat down...and
  they will tell me he tested neg. 
  I will be on the computer to tell everyone the rest of
  the story in the morning...
  The fact the beginning of the story is a story in
  itself, should hold everyone until morning...I
  seriously wonder what the wild cat area is like??? I'd
  like to know what they do with ferals after they are
  caught here...? I am going to be talking to feral cat
  people in other neighboring areas to see wh

to susan or Kelly: cross posting

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, can either of you or someone post the email explaining the situation of 
Susan's fire and with all the right contact information so that I can cross 
post the information.  I started writing, but was not sure if I had all the 
contact information as some of the old emails got deleted.  thank you.

Hideyo

Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Well, it depnds on your kitty's weight - let's say your kitty weight about as 
you use 1mu/kg -so, let's say, if your kitty weights 9lb, its about 4 kg - so 
you will give him 4 MU - which is 0.4ml in the mixed vial - so it will give you 
about 2.5 times dosages - but at the same time, I noticed that it works even if 
not exacty -- so to be economical -- I may give 0.3 ml for each dosage so that 
I can get 3 times dosages out of one vial.  Does it make sense?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:48 AM
  Subject: Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q


  I don't know, but Hideyo will.

  On 8/7/07, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
  > Thank-you. Any idea how many doses in a tube?
  > Thanks!
  > Laurie
  > - Original Message -
  > From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
  > To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:23 AM
  > Subject: Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q
  >
  >
  > > The feline version is orderable from other countries.  It is $1000 for
  > > 10 tubes I believe.
  > >
  > > On 8/7/07, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote:
  > >>
  > >> Thanks Hideyo! Our vet confirmed what you said about developing immunity
  > >> to
  > >> interferon. THANK-YOU for this information. She also said the feline
  > >> version
  > >> is hard to get and very expensive. Can you provide any insight?
  > >> Thanks
  > >> Laurie
  > >> - Original Message -
  > >> From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
  > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ;
  > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ;
  > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ;
  > >> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> ; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:07 AM
  > >> Subject: Power of interferon: OT
  > >>
  > >> Hi, I just want to let everyone know how impressd I am with how effective
  > >> interferon works for URIs that is caused by virurs.
  > >> I have been using feline interferon for many things (felk, FIP, FIV
  > >> treatment) for the past year or two. Additionally, whenever my kitties
  > >> have
  > >> severe or mild URIs, I started using feline interferon right away mainly
  > >> because I don't want it to develop something more serious like FIP as I
  > >> noticed that many times, URIs are one of the very first signs I saw in my
  > >> FIP cases.
  > >>
  > >> Anyway, my 5 year old Frankie had developed chronic URIs ever since he
  > >> received 3 combo vaccinations when he was about 6 months old.  anyway,
  > >> since
  > >> yesterday, he had developed very severe URIs - green and thick discharge
  > >> from his nose which would not stop running.  He did not act ill
  > >> fortunately.. but looking at it, I got very scared that reminded me how
  > >> my
  > >> Simba who had passed away from FIP a couple of months ago started his
  > >> symptoms.  but anyway, I gave him two shots of interferon yesterday and
  > >> today, and by tonight,, his nose seems to be s clear, which is
  > >> amazing.
  > >> I just wanted to let everyone know in case you may have a simiar
  > >> situation
  > >> in the future.
  > >>
  > >> good nite,
  > >>
  > >> Hideyo
  > >
  > >
  > > --
  > > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
  > >
  > > http://www.rescuties.org<http://www.rescuties.org/>
  > >
  > > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
  > >
  > > 
http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20<http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20>
  > >
  > > Please help Caroline!
  > >
  > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline<http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline>
  > >
  > > I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
  > >
  > > Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
  > > Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com<http://www.goodsearch.com/> 
- powered by Yahoo!
  > >
  >
  >
  >


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Re: FIRE!!!!!

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Susan, I am sorry that some of your kitties are still missing - I wish I were 
close so that I could help them being reunited with you.  It must be such a 
traumatizing experience for them.  but I am sure that all will be found and be 
reuinted with you soon.  When maddie (feral kitty) went on missing at a her new 
adopted house, I thought I would never found her, but after 5 weeks, search 
after search, I was finally able to trap her in a drop trap -- I was glad that 
I never gave up a hope.

I will be praying that all of them will be safely back in your care very very 
soon.

Hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Hoffman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:57 AM
  Subject: Re: FIRE!


  Two of the missing cats -- Buddy and Lil Mister -- are my personal cats, two 
former feral brothers.  (I have their sister YoYo with me right now.)  Buddy 
has been seen inside since the fire but he is really freaked, reverted to 
feral.  Lil Mister has not.

  Sugar is in the house, also a former feral, and she's pretty smug about not 
going into those traps we've set.

  Gustine (also known as Yard Fodder) is a VERY feral lynxpoint siamese girl, a 
foster, and she has been seen after the fire inside the house.

  Tuffy is a sweet fearful former feral foster girl, a little tabby.  Have not 
seen her.

  Widget is a very shy all black kitten, maybe 4 months old.  Have not seen 
her.  (She's the only one of the kittens still missing.)

  There are still 3 outside feral cats, all of whom have been seen.

  We have traps set inside and out.  Going back with a drop trap in a few days 
to get the outside cats.  Planning on camping out there overnight soon to try 
to get the remaining inside cats.  The general consensus is that they are 
hiding inside the house and, after trapping Rooster overnight and Tanner 
yesterday, and finding Ember hiding in the burned out basement, I suspect they 
are all still inside.  If I keep going back and keep baiting those traps, 
eventually I should be able to get them all.  No one has been found dead so I 
have to assume they are alive and in there somewhere.

  wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Susan,

I have crossposted to the hyperT group.  I can also send to my cousin in 
L.A. who knows people, but she's out of town until the middle of this month.  I 
am so, so sorry this has happened to you, but so, so happy that none of your 
kitties were killed in the fire.  I have a dumb question: are the five lost 
cats just lost/hiding in the house in the rubble or are they outside somewhere? 
 Also, are all your personal cats accounted for or are some of them part of the 
missing five?

Sending good vibes your way to find those lost kitties and that you find a 
place soon to rent until you're able to get settled again.
:)
Wendy
 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~



- Original Message 
From: Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 11:03:14 AM
Subject: Re: FIRE!


Just set up a photobucket account with photos of (a) fire damage, (b) 
missing cats and (c) adoptables in foster care.  PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY.  The 
link is 
http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/
  I will gather more photos as I can but I want to start circulating what I 
have.  

Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care.
Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are still missing.



Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as 
  yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with 
  adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between 
  Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,,
  If you can't reach her you can contact me also
  p.m. and I will reach her,
  thanks
  Kelly
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]










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Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Acutally we can get from US - I live in NM - I have gotten over probably 20 
shipments in the past with no poblem.  if you need a detail, write to me off 
list - It does cost a little over $1000, but if anyone is interested in, I can 
order your portion when I order mine as I order regularly.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Hideyo ~ interferon Q


  The feline version is orderable from other countries.  It is $1000 for
  10 tubes I believe.

  On 8/7/07, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
  >
  > Thanks Hideyo! Our vet confirmed what you said about developing immunity to
  > interferon. THANK-YOU for this information. She also said the feline version
  > is hard to get and very expensive. Can you provide any insight?
  > Thanks
  > Laurie
  > - Original Message -
  > From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
  > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ;
  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ;
  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ;
  > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> ; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:07 AM
  > Subject: Power of interferon: OT
  >
  > Hi, I just want to let everyone know how impressd I am with how effective
  > interferon works for URIs that is caused by virurs.
  > I have been using feline interferon for many things (felk, FIP, FIV
  > treatment) for the past year or two. Additionally, whenever my kitties have
  > severe or mild URIs, I started using feline interferon right away mainly
  > because I don't want it to develop something more serious like FIP as I
  > noticed that many times, URIs are one of the very first signs I saw in my
  > FIP cases.
  >
  > Anyway, my 5 year old Frankie had developed chronic URIs ever since he
  > received 3 combo vaccinations when he was about 6 months old.  anyway, since
  > yesterday, he had developed very severe URIs - green and thick discharge
  > from his nose which would not stop running.  He did not act ill
  > fortunately.. but looking at it, I got very scared that reminded me how my
  > Simba who had passed away from FIP a couple of months ago started his
  > symptoms.  but anyway, I gave him two shots of interferon yesterday and
  > today, and by tonight,, his nose seems to be s clear, which is amazing.
  > I just wanted to let everyone know in case you may have a simiar situation
  > in the future.
  >
  > good nite,
  >
  > Hideyo


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  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20<http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20>

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Re: NEW vaccination protocols announced today

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

A good information, Jane, I will cross post it.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane Lyons 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:56 PM
  Subject: NEW vaccination protocols announced today



  >
  This information was released today. Because yearly vaccinations are  
  the primary source of income for many
  veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical companies have  
  lobbied against this protocol, this has
  been a long time coming. This version is a compromise, but  
  nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and
  of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged.
  There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do not vaccinate for  
  Feline Leukemia because of ineffective
  results and sometimes lethal consequences.
  Jane








  > Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being  adopted by ALL 27 North
  > American veterinary schools.  I highly  recommend that you read
  > this.  Copy and save it to your  files.  Print it and pass it out at
  > dog fairs, cat shows, kennel  club meetings, dog parks, give a copy
  > to your veterinarian and  groomer, etc.
  >
  > Get the word out. 
  >
  > VACCINATION NEWS  FLASH
  >
  > I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary  schools in
  > North America are in the process of changing their  protocols for
  > vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will  present an
  > ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there will be  skeptics.
  >
  > Some organizations have come up with a political  compromise
  > suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who  fear loss
  > of income vs. those concerned about potential side
  > effects.  Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being
  > should not  be a factor in medical decision.
  >
  > NEW PRINCIPLES OF  IMMUNOLOGY
  > "Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6  months.  If a
  > modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months  of age, it
  > produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet  (ie:
  > canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper).  If another MLV  vaccine
  > is given a year later, the antibodies from the first
  > vaccine  neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine, and there is
  > little or  no effect. The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory
  > cells  induced." Not only are annual boosters for parvo and
  > distemper  unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of
  > allergic  reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia.  "There is
  > no  scientific documentation to back up label claims for
  > annual  administration of MLV vaccines."  Puppies receive
  > antibodies  through their mothers milk.  This natural protection can
  > last  8-14 weeks.
  >
  > Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at  LESS than 8
  > weeks.  Maternal immunity will neutralize the  vaccine, and little
  > protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination  at 6 weeks will,
  > however, delay the timing of the first highly  effective
  > vaccine.  Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress  rather than
  > stimulate the immune system.  A series of  vaccinations is given
  > starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up  to 16 weeks of
  > age.  Another vaccination given sometime after 6  months of age
  > (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide Lifetime  immunity.
  >
  >
  >   CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR  DOGS
  > Distemper & Parvo
  > "According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA,  8-15-95, when a vaccinations series
  > given at 2, 3 & 4 months and  again at 1 year with a MLV, puppies and
  > kitten program memory cells  that survive for life, providing
  > lifelong immunity." Dr. Carmichael at  Cornell and Dr. Schultz have
  > studies showing immunity against  challenge at 2-10 years for canine
  > distemper & 4 years for  parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are
  > pending.  "There are  no new strains of parvovirus as one mfg. would
  > like to suggest.   Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for
  > all types."   Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be
  > a cause of  kennel cough.  Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as
  > CAV-1  vaccines carry the risk of "hepatitis blue-eye" reactions &
  > kidney  damage.
  >
  > Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called "Kennel  cough" Recommended
  > only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog  shows, or for any
  > reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The  intranasal vaccine
  > provides more complete and more rapid onset of  immunity with less
  > chance of reaction.  Immunity requires 72  hours, and does not
  > protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity  is of short
  > duration (4 to 6 months).
  >
  >   RABIES
  > There  have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in
  > Harris,  Montogomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas], there have been
  > rabid skunks  and bats so the potential exists. It is a killed
  > vaccine and

Fw: Power of interferon: OT

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

- Original Message - 
From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: Power of interferon: OT


sorry, my Frankie pushed send button of my computer before I was ready to send 
Anyway, my cous cous who is 10 months old has had chrnoic URIs as well (she has 
high gloublin due to corona virus)- and I have given her two shots of feine 
interferon, and her URIs went out right away.

My sister who lives in japan whose young kittens couldn't get rid of their URIs 
and got two shots and URIs went away very quickly as well.


----- Original Message - 
  From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; HIDEYO YAMAMOTO<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:12 AM
  Subject: Re: Power of interferon: OT



- Original Message - 
From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> ; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:07 AM
Subject: Power of interferon: OT


Hi, I just want to let everyone know how impressd I am with how effective 
interferon works for URIs that is caused by virurs.
I have been using feline interferon for many things (felk, FIP, FIV 
treatment) for the past year or two. Additionally, whenever my kitties have 
severe or mild URIs, I started using feline interferon right away mainly 
because I don't want it to develop something more serious like FIP as I noticed 
that many times, URIs are one of the very first signs I saw in my FIP cases.

Anyway, my 5 year old Frankie had developed chronic URIs ever since he 
received 3 combo vaccinations when he was about 6 months old.  anyway, since 
yesterday, he had developed very severe URIs - green and thick discharge from 
his nose which would not stop running.  He did not act ill fortunately.. but 
looking at it, I got very scared that reminded me how my Simba who had passed 
away from FIP a couple of months ago started his symptoms.  but anyway, I gave 
him two shots of interferon yesterday and today, and by tonight,, his nose 
seems to be s clear, which is amazing.  I just wanted to let everyone know 
in case you may have a simiar situation in the future.

good nite,

Hideyo<>

Power of interferon: OT

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, I just want to let everyone know how impressd I am with how effective 
interferon works for URIs that is caused by virurs.
I have been using feline interferon for many things (felk, FIP, FIV treatment) 
for the past year or two. Additionally, whenever my kitties have severe or mild 
URIs, I started using feline interferon right away mainly because I don't want 
it to develop something more serious like FIP as I noticed that many times, 
URIs are one of the very first signs I saw in my FIP cases.

Anyway, my 5 year old Frankie had developed chronic URIs ever since he received 
3 combo vaccinations when he was about 6 months old.  anyway, since yesterday, 
he had developed very severe URIs - green and thick discharge from his nose 
which would not stop running.  He did not act ill fortunately.. but looking at 
it, I got very scared that reminded me how my Simba who had passed away from 
FIP a couple of months ago started his symptoms.  but anyway, I gave him two 
shots of interferon yesterday and today, and by tonight,, his nose seems to be 
s clear, which is amazing.  I just wanted to let everyone know in case you 
may have a simiar situation in the future.

good nite,

Hideyo

Re: Sammy's fever is 106!

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

My thought and prayers are with Sammy.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:14 AM
  Subject: Sammy's fever is 106!


  Well, Sammy went back to the Nice Ladies at Animal 911 because when I took 
his temperature this evening it was 106.  He had been hiding yesterday morning 
and then staying in my mom's room and not following me and/or his brothers 
around all day.  So he's staying the night and I'll pick him up for another 
blood transfusion at Animal Emergency in 5-1/2 hours.  I just got home from 
Animal 911.  Little one needs prayers.   


  Nitie Nite,


  Tee




  "Consciousness is Causal 
   and Physicality is its
   Manifestation."

Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Good luck -- please keep me posted -- I will be praying for these babies - I 
just have a feeling though they are false positive..
  - Original Message - 
  From: glenda Goodman<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:25 PM
  Subject: Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...


  HIDEYO, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. I'M FORWARDING EMAILS
  TO THESE LADIES. I WILL CALL THEM IN A COUPLE DAYS TO
  CHECK ON HOW THEY ARE DECIDING TO APPROACH THEIR
  ISSUES...THANKS, GLENDA
  --- HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

  > I already mentioned in my last email-join FIVcats2
  > yahoo group - Susan Hoffman is the moderator, I
  > believe -it's a very active group.
  >   - Original Message - 
  >   From: wendy<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
  >   To:
  >
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
  > 
  >   Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:57 PM
  >   Subject: Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice
  > here...
  > 
  > 
  >   Hi Glenda,
  > 
  >   I would point those ladies in the direction of an
  > online FIV group.  I don't know of one specifically,
  > but I know there are several out there.  Yahoo
  > probably has one.  You can search for them on the
  > Internet.  
  > 
  >   I don't know what to tell you about your situation
  > with Marmalade.  It's such a shame that this
  > gorgeous cat has to be put down.  Such a shame.  Is
  > there not a feral group anywhere in Nebraska you can
  > contact?  What about Alley Cat Allies
  >
  
(http://www.alleycat.org/<http://www.alleycat.org/<http://www.alleycat.org/%3Chttp://www.alleycat.org/>>)?
  >  Can you see if there is someone who is already
  > feeding a feral colony somewhere close to you (ACA
  > might know of someone) who might take him in
  > especially if he's negative for everything?  Here's
  > a link to Feral Friends Network, through ACA:
  >
  
http://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html<http://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html<http://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html%3Chttp://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html>>
  >  Here's the link to Feline Friendz in Omaha:
  >
  
http://www.felinefriendz.org/<http://www.felinefriendz.org/<http://www.felinefriendz.org/%3Chttp://www.felinefriendz.org/>>
  >  Do you think you can have this cat spayed/neutered
  > while he's at the vets, maybe at a discounted rate? 
  > You might as well.  I would not have him put down
  > though.  That just doesn't seem right.  After all,
  > you said you thought he was looking for love and
  > food.  It would be horrible if he found pts instead.
  >  I think most kitties hiss while
  >in traps b/c they are scared.  My Ensie, the one
  > I brought home from NC, is doing great.  She jumps
  > in my lap and purrs now.  It's so strange, when only
  > less than a month ago she was freaking out in the
  > cage she was trapped in.
  > 
  >   I would not worry too much about Feeto's bite,
  > especially since he's on antibiotics AND the wound
  > has already drained.  Keep an eye on the wound and
  > make sure it heals up all right.  Good luck Glenda.
  > 
  >   :)
  >   Wendy
  >
  >   "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
  > committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
  > is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
  > ~~~
  > 
  > 
  >   - Original Message 
  >   From: glenda Goodman
  >
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>>>
  >   To:
  >
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
  >   Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 7:18:37 PM
  >   Subject: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice
  > here...
  > 
  > 
  >   --- glenda Goodman
  >
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>>>
  > wrote:
  > 
  >   > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
  >   > From: glenda Goodman
  >
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>>>
  >   > Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
  >   > To:
  >
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
  >   > 
  >   > Hi Everyone,
  >   > Well there are two subjects here I want t

Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I already mentioned in my last email-join FIVcats2 yahoo group - Susan Hoffman 
is the moderator, I believe -it's a very active group.
  - Original Message - 
  From: wendy 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:57 PM
  Subject: Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...


  Hi Glenda,

  I would point those ladies in the direction of an online FIV group.  I don't 
know of one specifically, but I know there are several out there.  Yahoo 
probably has one.  You can search for them on the Internet.  

  I don't know what to tell you about your situation with Marmalade.  It's such 
a shame that this gorgeous cat has to be put down.  Such a shame.  Is there not 
a feral group anywhere in Nebraska you can contact?  What about Alley Cat 
Allies (http://www.alleycat.org/)?  Can you see if 
there is someone who is already feeding a feral colony somewhere close to you 
(ACA might know of someone) who might take him in especially if he's negative 
for everything?  Here's a link to Feral Friends Network, through ACA: 
http://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html
  Here's the link to Feline Friendz in Omaha: 
http://www.felinefriendz.org/  Do you think you 
can have this cat spayed/neutered while he's at the vets, maybe at a discounted 
rate?  You might as well.  I would not have him put down though.  That just 
doesn't seem right.  After all, you said you thought he was looking for love 
and food.  It would be horrible if he found pts instead.  I think most kitties 
hiss while
   in traps b/c they are scared.  My Ensie, the one I brought home from NC, is 
doing great.  She jumps in my lap and purrs now.  It's so strange, when only 
less than a month ago she was freaking out in the cage she was trapped in.

  I would not worry too much about Feeto's bite, especially since he's on 
antibiotics AND the wound has already drained.  Keep an eye on the wound and 
make sure it heals up all right.  Good luck Glenda.

  :)
  Wendy
   
  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


  - Original Message 
  From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 7:18:37 PM
  Subject: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...


  --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
  > From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
  > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  > 
  > Hi Everyone,
  > Well there are two subjects here I want to get
  > advice
  > and support on. 
  > Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
  > knew
  > of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
  > seems
  > a couple of her clients came in today and received
  > the
  > bad news that their two kittens had tested positive
  > for FIV. She told me, the people who had the kittens
  > were sisters and both very bright, educated
  > gals...one
  > being an attorney, even...so, obviously having good
  > minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group here
  > a
  > visit and be interested in learning, from this very
  > progressive site...I will be talking to them later
  > today and try to convince them not to panic and not
  > opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know of
  > any rescue groups that would take these
  > kittens...This
  > is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet, here,
  > in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
  > organization they could turn these kittens over to. 
  > 
  >  They do have other cats that share the household.
  > The
  > kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys
  > flood me with some helpful information for these
  > gals,
  > so we can give them some hope for their kittens and
  > make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
  > they
  > might be willing to sign on to this list,but if not
  > I
  > will at least forward them some good information
  > from
  > you guys...
  > These two ladies are in their late twenties or early
  > thirties...I asked my vet how old they were...We are
  > here in farm country where 90% of the vets still
  > believe, with all their heart, the only real option,
  > is putting positive cats down...
  > Now, for my second little problem I'm dealing with
  > today: My pride and joy, kitty, Feeto, was at the
  > base
  > of my step, outside my door about 6-days ago. My son
  > had let him outside...It was evening...I do know
  > better than to let my kitties outside at night...but
  > with my positive kitty and having to be on crazy
  > schedules...a

Re: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, There is a good possibiity that these kittens tested false positive for FIV 
- you need to ask them to do western blot test to be really sure that they are 
indeed FIV positive -

I wish I could tell them in person what a not big deal at all to have FIV 
positive kitties -- many many many kitties will do live a normal life span - 
you wont even know that they are FIV positive -- the name scares people more 
than anything else -- 45% of kitties who tested false positive at my house -- 
so I do have to ask that they confirm it first with western blot - I have 8 IV 
positive kitties at my household and they are all so healthy ...five of them 
are close to 10 years old, and they never have gotten sick or anything - and 
they are healthier than some of my non fiv positive kitties - please let me 
know if I can help in anyway;;

Also I suggest that you or they join FIVcats2 yahoo group -- lots of people 
there do mix their positives and negatives at their house, and never heard that 
their negatives became positives by living together - they share everyrthing, 
and they groom each other and they do love bites.. 

nina on the list also mix his FIV boy, Star mix with her negative kitties.

Hugs,

Hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: glenda Goodman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:18 PM
  Subject: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...



  --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
  > From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
  > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  > 
  > Hi Everyone,
  > Well there are two subjects here I want to get
  > advice
  > and support on. 
  > Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
  > knew
  > of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
  > seems
  > a couple of her clients came in today and received
  > the
  > bad news that their two kittens had tested positive
  > for FIV. She told me, the people who had the kittens
  > were sisters and both very bright, educated
  > gals...one
  > being an attorney, even...so, obviously having good
  > minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group here
  > a
  > visit and be interested in learning, from this very
  > progressive site...I will be talking to them later
  > today and try to convince them not to panic and not
  > opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know of
  > any rescue groups that would take these
  > kittens...This
  > is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet, here,
  > in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
  > organization they could turn these kittens over to. 
  > 
  >  They do have other cats that share the household.
  > The
  > kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys
  > flood me with some helpful information for these
  > gals,
  > so we can give them some hope for their kittens and
  > make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
  > they
  > might be willing to sign on to this list,but if not
  > I
  > will at least forward them some good information
  > from
  > you guys...
  > These two ladies are in their late twenties or early
  > thirties...I asked my vet how old they were...We are
  > here in farm country where 90% of the vets still
  > believe, with all their heart, the only real option,
  > is putting positive cats down...
  > Now, for my second little problem I'm dealing with
  > today: My pride and joy, kitty, Feeto, was at the
  > base
  > of my step, outside my door about 6-days ago. My son
  > had let him outside...It was evening...I do know
  > better than to let my kitties outside at night...but
  > with my positive kitty and having to be on crazy
  > schedules...and keeping everyone seperated, Feeto
  > had
  > been locked up all day. OK, well the worst
  > happened...almost the worst...THERE WAS A STRANGE
  > KITTY OUTSIDE IN OUR YARD. HE WAS VERY INTENT ON
  > FINDING A GOOD HOME WHERE HE MIGHT BE LOVED AND FED.
  > 
  > FEETO IS MY LITTLE HERO. HE TAKES CARE OF OUR YARD
  > AND
  > HIS KITTY FAMILY. FEETO CHASED THAT STRANGE KITTY
  > AWAY. HOWEVER , BEFORE IT WAS OVER, THERE WAS A
  > BATTLE. THE BATTLE GROUND WAS COVERED IN WHITE AND
  > ORANGE FUR THE NEXT DAY. FEETO IS A BROWN TABBY WITH
  > 24 VERY SHARP CLAWS. IT WAS OVER ALMOST BEFORE IT
  > BEGAN, BUT I WAS SICK KNOWING THERE WAS NO WAY MY
  > FEETO DID NOT SUFFER A BITE SOMEWHERE ON HIS BODY. A
  > FEW DAYS LATER, I FOUND IT, THE BITE. FEETO'S CHEEK
  > WAS ALL PUFFED UP. IT DRAINED THAT NIGHT AND THE
  > NEXT
  > DAY HE WAS ON ANTIBIOTICS...JUST TO BE SURE. A WEEK
  > EARLIER I HAD BOUGHT A CAT TRAP AND HAD BEEN TRYING
  > TO
  > TRAP THE STRANGE CAT...NO LUCK UNTIL LAST NIGHT.
  > WELL,
  > TODAY, THE STRANGE CAT IS AT OUR LOCAL SHELTER. HE
  > IS
  > A PRETTY CAT , BUT THEY SAID HE IS IN 

Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?)

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Kelly - I am wodnering if she can get an access to a drop trap - it will be so 
much easier to trap possibly all of the cats altogether very quickly with it - 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelly L 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:56 AM
  Subject: RE: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?)


  At 07:04 AM 8/6/2007, you wrote:


  I will speak for her and tell her thank so much..this morning early 
  she was headed to check the traps for the remaining cats. I will keep 
  all posted,
  Thanks again for helping..
  Kelly


  >Hi Kelly, just sent a $50 donation--wish it cd be more--to Susan via
  >Paypal. It's wonderful to hear she's in good spirits. I missed all the
  >email over the weekend but understood some of Susan's cats were missing.
  > >From your email below it seems not? Would be wonderful if they are
  >indeed all safe--can you let me know when you have a moment. Thanks,
  >Kerry M.
  >
  >-Original Message-
  >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L
  >Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:03 PM
  >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  >Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?)
  >
  >At 11:51 AM 8/5/2007, you wrote:
  >
  >
  >thank you Nina
  >Her pay pal account is her email of
  >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >I spoke with her this morning.. she is in surprisingly good spirits
  >as like us her biggest condern was her cats and she had no
  >lossesbelongings can all be replaces
  >Thanks so much
  >   You are missed here Nina
  >Kelly
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > >Kelly,
  > >I'm getting you guys on digest now and am having a hard time finding
  > >where you posted the paypal account to send donations for Susan and
  > >her kids to.  Could you please repost it, with a link if
  > >possible?  I've called a rescue-friend that lives in the Bay area
  > >and she said she will start networking to see what can be done to
  > >help.  I just can't believe it, this truly is our worst nightmare
  > >come true for Susan and her charges.  I'm sending prayers and
  > >soothing energy to help Susan and her cats rally and get through
  > >this.  Susan is always so willing to pitch in and help those in
  > >need, I just know that she will be paid back 100 fold for all her
  > >kind deeds.  Thank you for keeping us informed and please let Susan
  > >know we care.
  > >Nina
  > >
  > >
  > >
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Re: A Very Special Cat video

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Oh my gosh -- that's just so sweet -- I started crying as I watch it -- that's 
very special.. thank you for sending it to me, I would share with others as 
well.
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 9:31 AM
  Subject: OT: A Very Special Cat video


  This is heartwarming as this was sent to me from another group. 
  If you have dial-up it is worth the wait to watch.

  
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=dJQG6V1MOVY

  Terrie Mohr-Forker

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  SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
  Donations accepted at:
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http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

  
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue

  
http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html

  http://www.felineleukemia.org/

  
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Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Also, I know you mentioned it was electrical - but do you know exactly how it 
happened?  Was it from a dryer or something?
How many cats does shw have in her apartment for adoption?
  - Original Message - 
  From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:00 PM
  Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!


  This is awful -- I did not understand the part you said only 7 or so 
accounted for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of the house and they are missing?
- Original Message - 
From: Kelly L<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!


We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful 
helper to ALL OF US 

This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats 
there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten 
adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so 
accounted for,,she is looking for them

Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd 
as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this 
seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please 
contact he
The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are

415  238-8057 and 415  830-0026

Her email is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on 
her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too 
many firghtened cats
The fire was electrical,,
Please cross post
you can also contact me
Kelly  at 559   645-5050 or 559 978-1184

thanks 

Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

This is awful -- I did not understand the part you said only 7 or so accounted 
for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of the house and they are missing?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelly L 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM
  Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!


  We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful 
  helper to ALL OF US 

  This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats 
  there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten 
  adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so 
  accounted for,,she is looking for them

  Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd 
  as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this 
  seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please 
  contact he
  The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are

  415  238-8057 and 415  830-0026

  Her email is
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on 
  her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too 
  many firghtened cats
  The fire was electrical,,
  Please cross post
  you can also contact me
  Kelly  at 559   645-5050 or 559 978-1184

  thanks 

Re: interferon ~ does anyone use daily vs 7 days on/off???

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Is this for human alpha that you give orally or felin omega interferon -

the main reason you give human alpah on and off, is because a cat will 
eventually build immunity to human alpha if you give continuously - but it does 
not happen for a few months - so eventually, I would suggest that you want to 
switch to feline omega interferon (you can dilute it and give it to her orally 
like you do for alpha -- but she will not build immunity to it like she may for 
human alpah..) - but it's safe to give her continuously otherwise..

Hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 7:58 PM
  Subject: interferon ~ does anyone use daily vs 7 days on/off???


  Isabella finished her current 7 days ON interferon on Wednesday. She has been 
meowing a bit more yesterday and today and has seemed a bit uncomfortable 
again. Our vet was going to research and advise whether we can use interferon 
continuously. We have not heard and it's the weekend. We did restart her on our 
own today. Any thoughts, please? Thanks!
  Laurie

Re: Hi everyone. New here. Need help with my kitty please.

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, I just want to clarify that what he has is Felk (feline leukemia) and not 
FIV before I say anything - 
First of all, please be careful what you give to felk kitties - their immune 
system is already compromised, so whenever you give a  hard medications, you 
want to make sure that that is really what you are dealing with rather than 
just "trial' and "error" - as medication can make the situation much worse.

First of all, has he lost any weight?  Does he eat?  does he play?  have you 
doen stool sample test?  Have you ran any blood work on him?  skin problems are 
usually hard to identify the cause of -- any unfortunately, usually traditional 
vets will try to use steroid to suppress the symptoms than treating to treat 
the underlying cause.  

If he has not lost weight, and eating well - try not to be too concerned -- as 
I worry that all the medications you are giving him can cause suppression of 
his immune system and can actiavate the felk virus.

Try some omega oil, flex seed oil.. etc which usually good for skin problems.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Beckie McRae 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:22 AM
  Subject: Hi everyone. New here. Need help with my kitty please.


  Hi everyone.
  My name is Beckie. I'm 25 and live in Iowa with my boyfriend and 3 cats (2 of 
whom are FLV positive). I'm hoping you guys can help me.

  I have a cat named Moe and he's about 3 and has FLV. About 3 weeks ago, I 
noticed some bumps around his neck and on his back, and he started to lose his 
hair. I took him to the vet, and she said it was an environmental allergy, gave 
him some meds and sent us home. Well the meds just made him worse, so the next 
week I took him back, and this time he had a severe infection in his eye and 
tapeworms. This time, different meds, and ointment for his eye. STILL not 
better. 
  This time I took him in to the vet and told them I wasn't leaving until he 
was better. That was Wed. They gave him a shot for the tapeworms, Frontline for 
some fleas, his eye was better so more ointment, and Sat. he seemed fine. Now 
today when we woke up he had gone to the bathroom in the kitchen (which he did 
when he was originally really sick), and as soon as he sees either one of us, 
he runs and hides. He also has FLV. I'm worried sick, and don't know what to 
do. Anyone else here ever deal with something like this? 

  Also, what's the best way to clean up the mess in the kitchen? I want to 
eliminate the odor so he won't go in there again!

  Thanks so much!
  Beckie

Re: Vaccinating kittens of unknown status against FeLV?

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Oh my gosh they are so adorable and so tiny! Yes, you made a wise choice, I 
would be so concerned to give felk vaccines to such small bodies -- don't be 
too concerned giving a regular shot for calici virus (again ask for killed 
vaccine) but do not give rabies at this time either.. just one thing at a 
time.. just to be safe --
  e - 
  From: C & J 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:30 PM
  Subject: Re: Vaccinating kittens of unknown status against FeLV?


  Thank you all for your thoughts.

  I think I will tell the vet to wait on the FeLV vaccine, since its not 
necessary for them to have it right away.  My two older cats have been 
retested, and still are showing negative on FeLV.  

  I'm still unsure on the whole overvaccination issue, but i'm not yet 
comfortable with not giving any vaccinations at all.  There are so many 
differing opinions on whether to give vaccinations.  I'm thinking I will give 
them their first sets of shots, and that will be the end of the shots.

  The enclosure that we built is 6 feet high, but still needs to be reinforced 
before I let the kittens go in unsupervised.  We will be putting a wire 
upsidedown U shape at the top, so that they will be unable to climb out.  Since 
we fenced in a wild forrested area off our backyard, we also have to deal with 
some trees that are close to the fence...either cut them down or put plastic on 
their trunks to make them unclimable.

  Oh, and these are my kittens if anyone wishes to see them :)  
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/?action=view¤t=SamiTiko2.jpg
 , Tiko is on the left and Sami is on the right.

  Cassandra
- Original Message - 
From: wendy 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Vaccinating kittens of unknown status against FeLV?


Hi Cassandra,

Congratulations on your two new additions to your family!  They are so 
lucky to have you!  As far as vaccines go, what are your reasons for 
vaccinating the kittens?  Even if they do go outside, I don't know that much 
contact can be had through a chain link fence, although I could be very wrong.  
How tall is this fence?  Is it possible they could jump it or outside cats 
could?  Do you have that enclosure thing that goes around the top that keeps 
them from jumping the fence or climbing over?  I would wait until they are 
older to do vaccinations, when you can test them for FeLV.  I am of the mind 
that if they are indoors only, I don't vaccinate at all.  

I would really like to see research done on this issue.  Some people have 
cats who were vaccinated but positive and often they live for several years 
versus those that die in the their kittenhood who were not vaccinated.  It's 
just a hypothesis right now, but what if the vaccine actually does help?  When 
I have time, I'm going to write the professor at A&M and ask him about this and 
also about what percentage of anemia cases are attributable to hemobartonella.

In the meantime, I would stick with not vaccinating a positive (or unknown 
positive) until we know better.
:)
Wendy
 
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Re: test results your interpretation/your advice

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

it's hard to know for sure what really happened as we cannot re-test the blood 
from a year ago obviously.. but I would not be surprised at al he was exposed 
to the virus a year ago, and threw the virus off - again, it's not that 
uncommon for an older kitty -- either way, it's a great news!! congratulations!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: wendy 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:57 PM
  Subject: Re: test results your interpretation/your advice


  Susan,

  Thank you for your sweet words.  I feel strongly about this group too.

  I don't think I can answer your question very well, other than that those 
tests can be wrong.  Either he was positive, and threw the virus.  Or he wasn't 
positive at all and the first test was wrong.  Or he is positive and the second 
test was wrong.  No matter what, I feel as you do.  It doesn't matter; you'll 
love him just the same.  The only thing you have to keep in mind is if he IS 
positive, you might want to supplement him with immune boosters.  I think 
there's a good chance he's not though.

  So happy things are going well for your brood!
  God bless,
  :)
  Wendy
   
  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~



  - Original Message 
  From: Susan Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:36:59 PM
  Subject: test results your interpretation/your advice


  My baby boy, Gunnar, will celebrate his first anniversary with his two 
sisters, Kelly (17) and Meagan (8) and his "better than a Dad" Ricky on August 
2.

  Can you help me interpret his initial test results from one year ago - we 
have decided that through our faith and prayers that he has thrown the virus 
(or never had it) and will NOT retest him (it doesn't matter, we love him).

  But...his initial test results were:

  Test  FeLV Elisa
  Results Positive
  Reference Range Negative 
  Units Antigen

  Test FIV Elisa
  Results Negative
  Reference Range Negative
  Units Elisa


  Can someone, in plain English, explain these FELV results, please.  Your 
assistance in this is much appreciated.  

  For the year that I have been a part of this list and reading your advice and 
stories, I TRUST YOU MORE THAN ANY VET THAT I COULD SPEAK WITH.  You are brave 
people who sometimes take the worse and make it better, who through the worse 
adversity stand tall and proud and roll with the punches, who adopt kits who 
wouldn't normally be saved or given a home - I SAY MY PRAYERS AND GIVE MY 
THANKS TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.  In my hours of need, each of you and your 
words were there for me, and my family, giving us faith, giving us strength and 
giving us the best advice on Earth.  I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU 
(especially Catatonya) FOR YOUR HOPE AND GUIDANCE.  MAY GOD BLESS EACH AND 
EVERY ONE OF YOU.

  As for me and family family of Ricky, me ("Sissy"), Kelly (17), Meagan (8) 
and Gunnar (2), thank you all from the bottom of each of our hearts.  When it 
was needed, you truly saved the day.  Gunnar is now part of the family because 
we were given the hope that he could safely live with two negative Sisters.  I 
don't know what we would do without him - I also thank God that He made it 
impossible to adopt Gunnar out - I now get to "keep" him for myself.   

  Thanks for your help.  Thank you for EVERYTHING.  You guys are God's gift!  
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Re: Vaccinating kittens of unknown status against FeLV?

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Felv vaccination is NOT standard - my vet never recommend to kitties who are 
low risk as Felk vaccines will have a potential side effects -- and do not give 
all the vaccines simultaneoulsy, it's too much for a kitten, and always use 
killed vaccines and not modifies version.  It's standard -- it's easy money 
generating thing for a vet clinic - 

If a kitty goes outside, felk vaccine is considerend, but I hope you will wait 
a little longer - to give it to them.. also, need to give it separately from 
the time you give other vaccines -- 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Vaccinating kittens of unknown status against FeLV?


  I would always test prior to vaccinating.

  But that is just me.


  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: C & J 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: Vaccinating kittens of unknown status against FeLV?


I adopted two kittens from a farm who are 8 weeks old right now.  They are 
scheduled to go in for their vaccinations at 10 weeks, and the clinic mentioned 
that the FeLV vaccination is standard now.  I asked if they should be tested 
first to make sure they don't have FeLV, and they said it didn't matter.

I am wondering what your opinions are on this.  I don't know if these 
kittens have ever been exposed, but I do know that 10 weeks is too soon to 
reliably test for the virus.  Is it safe to go ahead and vaccinate, not knowing 
if they are infected or not?

I'm not even positive I want that vaccine, but it may be a good idea.  The 
kittens will eventually be able to go outside in chain-link enclosure that 
we've built, so it is unlikely they will have contact with other cats, but its 
always possible some contact could occur through the fence.  We live outside of 
the city now, but there are a few cats belonging to neighbours that wander 
through from time to time (they mostly stay out of the yard due to our dog).

Cassandra

Re: OT: Amazing Cat Story

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

me either.
  - Original Message - 
  From: wendy 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:20 PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Amazing Cat Story


  I can't get this link to work; does yours?

  Thanks,
  Wendy
   
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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
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  - Original Message 
  From: Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Sue Vinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Harvey 
Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:21:15 PM
  Subject: OT: Amazing Cat Story


  http://www.breitbar t.com/article. php?id=D8QJRTNG1&show_article= 
1&image=large

  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent








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Re: 'the jacket'

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I would love to see the photos -- please email it to me if you could.  thanks.

Hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane Lyons 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:47 PM
  Subject: 'the jacket'


  Several weeks ago, after I got the Felv diagnosis, I had to stop 
  letting MeMe
  go out. She was miserable and I was sure that the stress of screaming 
  at the
  door handle was going to do the both of us in.

  I asked the list for help with enclosures and got a lot of great 
  suggestions and
  photographs. Nina sent me a link for "cat jackets" and I thought that 
  while I figured
  out what type of enclosure would be best, I'd try the jacket. Bingo 
   It has been
  just fabulous. Now, rather than scream at the door handle, she screams 
  at the jacket
  which is hanging on a hook next to dog leashes.

  Long story short, I put the jacket on and attach a retractable dog 
  leash with a
  10' line and large plastic handle. I lock the line open and put the 
  handle in the middle of the yard.
  The yard is partially enclosed with a stockade fence which she had been 
  able to crawl under or
  climb over.  Now she has realized that crawling under or climbing over 
  is a drag with the handle
  getting caught. She has tried many escape routes, but she has finally 
  realized that it is impossible
  and that being confined to the yard is still better than being indoors 
  all day. She now spends hours
  sitting near the bird feeder, or under a shrub. She comes to the back 
  door to come inside to use the
  litter box, and then goes back out.

  If anyone is interested in it I have photos that I'd be happy to send. 
  I had misplaced the link, but Googled
  "cat jackets" and there is only one company that makes them. My only 
  complaint is the color choices.
  I ordered red and MeMe is humiliated by it and is sure the birds are 
  laughing at her.
  As everyone knows, Nina is brilliant!

  Jane

Re: Comforting Emails

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Dear Caroline,
I am so glad that you found comforts being in the group.  I know that I was not 
the only one who cried reading your email regarding Monkee's passing -- we felt 
your pain as it felt we lost our own. You are never alone, because we all have 
been there, and it's so easy to understand what you go through -- the pain of 
losing our precious little soul may never go away, but every day, we become a 
tiny bit stronger to live with the pain.. and embrace the love we have for them 
more and more for the rest of our lives..
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:50 PM
  Subject: OT: Comforting Emails 


  The emails I have received in the wake of Monkee's passing have really 
comforted me and I wanted you all to know that.  I have forwarded them to my 
mother and she said they are "treasures" that need to be printed and kept 
forever.  I plan to make a big photo collage of Monkee pictures to frame- he 
really was the most beautifully marked cat I'd ever seen and I never want to 
forget that and I always want to have that around for people to be able to 
marvel at him- even if they never knew him.  The emails from this group will 
also be something I take with me and hold onto forever.  I was afraid at first 
that your emails would be too hard to read-- that I wouldn't be able to get 
through them.  But it wasn't like that at all.  In fact it was the opposite-- 
that I can't imagine not having had these comforting words sent to me.  
Yesterday, I felt like all I needed was a hug, just lots of hugs.  And the only 
person around to do that for me was my mom.  But in a way, I felt like I got 
hugs through your words and I wanted to thank you all for that.  God bless the 
internet...and I really mean that!

  My family and friends- other than my mother of course- have been 
stand-offish- they are afraid I don't want to talk or that if do talk, I will 
cry and maybe I don't want to cry at that time,...so that means that none of 
them have called to talk.  And honestly, that pretty much sucked.  But having 
this group has more than made up for that and I really appreciate all you did 
for me and Monkee, and all you will continue to do for me and other people in 
the future.  You people are truly blessed with a special gift.   
  -Caroline



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OT: A poem to those who lost your precious soul

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Lend Me A Kitten

I will lend to you for a while a kitten, God said.
For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead. 
Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three.
But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me? 

He'll bring his charms to gladden you and should his stay be brief,
you'll always have his memories as solace for your grief. 

I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return.
But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn. 

I've looked the whole world over in search of teachers true, 
And from the folk that crowds life's land I have chosen you. 

Now will you give him all your love, nor think the labor vain?
Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again? 

And my heart replied, "My Lord, Thy Will Be Done."
For all the joys this kitten brings, the risk of grief I'll run. 

We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may.
And for the happiness that we've known, forever grateful stay. 

But should you call him back much sooner than we planned,
We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand. 

If by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve,
in memory of his sweet sweet love, please help us while we grieve. 

When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife,
Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life. 

Adapted from the poem "To All Parents", 
by Edgar A. Guest [1881-1959] 

http://www.flippysc atpage.com/ lendmeakitten. 
html

Re: I need information please (catatonya)

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I personally have not --but my vets had told me that it happened to her clients 
often -
Is there any chance that the vaccine caused it to be positive and he is really 
not positive - I know that FIV vaccines does it to cats, and I have not heard 
that it happens with Felk vaccines -- but how could one be so sure -

Have you done IFA testing for Felk virus to see if he was tested positivce on 
bone marrow level?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Malone 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:48 AM
  Subject: Re: I need information please (catatonya)


  Thank you for the advice. I know he got it from the kitten. He had two tests 
both negative when he came in the home. He was tested when I picked him up from 
the humane society and then he was retested when Teaser was retested. They both 
had two tests before 1 year of age and that was when I vaccinated them for the 
first time. Basil had 2 other boosters. Teaser is a year older and she had been 
vaccinated 3 times. When my baby boy died both Basil and Teaser were retested. 
She is still negative but Basil was positive. My vet then said there was no 
reason to wait he would be like the kitten in a matter of weeks. He also felt 
if I kept him I would infect Teaser. I don't think he is a bad vet, but hasn't 
really dealt with felv much. He is really a vet for most of the ranches in the 
area. I have an opportunity to share what I learn here with him. That is a 
blessing. But now I have to wonder if he shouldn't be retested, something my 
vet said would only cause me more heartache. If I take him to another vet and 
get a different result that would prove that this virus could be fought off. I 
just didn't want to get my hopes up too high. That is why I was wondering if 
anyone here had a cat that was positive end up negative. 

   

  Thank you to you, Hideyo, and Susan for the advice and assistance.

Re: I need information please

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I am so relieved to hear that you did not kill your boy, Basil -- I used the 
word "kill" - because if he was put him down, it's so far away from "being 
euthanized" -- there is no reason for him to be killed - and he is lucky to 
have you, and have your wisdom on his side as apparently your vet is not as 
wise as you are.. (I think you should be looking another vet as soon as you get 
a chance) -

The myth of whether a kitty can throw off the virus once infected/exposed seems 
to be still myth - but apparently, statistically, 2/3 of kitties who were 
exposed to the virus (not infected) throw off the virus.

It seems that later s/he is infected at their age, better the chance they have 
to throw the virus off.  The fact that hs is alrady 4 years old is a very good 
sign already as again statistically, 80% of felk kitties die within three years 
of their age.

Also, I am so glad that you are wise and care enough not to separate the boy 
kitty from girl kitty -- no matter what, sometimes, we have to balance their 
quality of their lives - and I really feel that they are lucky to have you as 
someone who care for them.

I have three year old girl, Ginger who is also felk positive and she has been 
healthy and I feel very fortunate about it.

I try not to let test result control their or my life -Whether he throw off the 
virus off or not, the most important thing is to provide stress free 
environment for him so that he can maintain the health that he has -- I use FOI 
(feline interferon -anti vira agent) and other people on the list use different 
things..

Any vitamin supplement or immune boosters are good for them ---

Hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: Malone 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:22 PM
  Subject: I need information please


  I read all the posts, so I can learn how to deal with this virus. I lost my 
kitten at 9 months, and apparently even though he was vaccinated my 4 year old 
has tested positive for felv. He was diagnosed 4 months ago and shows no sign 
of illness. My vet had recommended putting him down. I just couldn't lose both 
my boys in one day. I am so thankful I didn't because Basil is fine. My 
question is about the ability to fight off the virus-does this really happen? 
Has anyone on this list actually had a felv+ cat that kicked the virus? What 
should I expect and what should I be doing to help keep him healthy? I tried to 
separate my felv+ boy and felv- girl, but they howled and cried something 
fierce. They have been together since they were kittens. I let them mix, and 
she is still negative. I read the information about blood tests, and I get 
confused. Basil's blood work seems normal, other than the fact that he tested 
positive. Thank you.

Re: Monkee is gone

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Caroline, I am so deeply sorry about Monkee's crossing.  We all can emphasize 
your pain.  You are very luck to have met Monkee and Monkee is so lucky to have 
met you -- nothing can take away the bond between you and Monkee--it will live 
forever.

Hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:47 AM
  Subject: Monkee is gone


  My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms while I held him with my 
Mom standing next to my side.  At about 2:30 a.m.  

  We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for euthanasia this morning at 8:00 
a.m.  I thought he could make it until then and that he wouldn't want to go to 
a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never been to before for his passing.  I 
didn't know he was that bad.  I feel so bad.  It was so horrible.  He was 
having some trouble breathing, but I was usually able to calm him down by 
holding him and giving him flower essences.  He had begun to have trouble 
walking and he would cry at me really loudly when he wasn't able to do 
something he wanted to do because his brain was not getting enough oxygen (like 
walk around).  I didn't want him to be in pain or suffer and I feel like I 
failed him.  

  He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it was happening.  We were on 
my bed and I was holding him.  He took a last gasp of air and then he stopped.  
When his body when limp, I felt like I might die too.  I think the only thing 
that helped me and my mom was that she has "rescue remedy" with her and we both 
took it right away.  It sounds odd to say that, but immediately after it 
happened, I felt a sense of peace-- for him.  I think the rescue remedy helped 
my breathing at that time.  I just held him afterwards and talked to him  and 
pet him and kissed him for about two hours.  I told him how wonderful he was 
and that I would never be the same without him.  I walked around the house, sat 
with him on the porch he loved so much and took him outside for his last time 
to hold him while sitting on the front steps.  

  I have never had an animal die in my arms like that and to have it be my best 
friend-- the best companion I've ever had...my heart just feels like it's 
wrenching in half.  I feel guilty and traumatized.  I am having a hard time 
erasing the memories of his passing.  When I close my eyes, I see his face as 
he took his last breath.  I don't how to recover from that.
  I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now that he's gone, that 
loneliness is crashing in.  

  I hope all of you are able to continue to care for your cats and give them 
the peace and love that they so desperately need.  I admire those of you who 
take care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the past and continue to 
keep doing the work that you do.  My thoughts and my prayers are now with all 
of you and your babies.  I felt like I didn't have the mental energy to devote 
many of my prayers in the past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I 
will be praying for you now.

  I also wanted to remind everyone that you never really know the power of what 
love can do for a cat like Monkee, until you experience it.  When I found him, 
he was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating doves, baby rabbits, and 
whatever else he could catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment 
complex in Northern Ky 4 years ago.  And four years and 1 month ago, I couldn't 
take his living it up in "the killing fields"- as I called it- anymore.  It 
took so long to get him to be a somewhat normal cat.  Something bad must have 
happened to him because he was already neutered when I found him, so he had to 
have belong to someone.  He was deathly afraid of men and it took until 
probably about this past year for that fear to almost subside.  I don't think 
anyone else in my life (other than myself) believed that he'd ever be trusting, 
cuddling, sweet, lfunny, love-bug that he was with me.  The first time I turned 
on my radio and my tv after I had brought him into my life, he freaked out and 
hid under the bed for hours.  After lots of love and being spoiled rotten, and 
having four years to experience as many things as possible, he had truly become 
my best friend.  He would comfort me when something went horribly wrong in my 
life and the past 4 years have been pretty turbulent for me so he had a lot of 
comforting to do.  He was what always cheered me up when I was at my lowest low 
and he was what kept going.  He slept on my bed with me every night and even 
when I was just away for one night, I would miss him and miss having him there 
in the morning to wake up with.  I am going to miss him so much. 

  I also wanted to say "Thank You" for being such an instant support group for 
Monkee and I.  We really needed help these past few weeks and you all really 
came through for us.  

  Thank you,
  Caroline 

  

Re: FELV kittens

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Statistically  - about 2/3 of kitties who are exponsed to the virus end up 
throw off the virus - and, I believe that chances are better if a kitty is 
older when they are actually exposed to the virus.

There is no way for us to know how reliable this statisic informaiton is -- but 
we know that it does happen..

Though your kitty may not throw off the virus, it does not mean the immediate 
death sentense... There are many people on the list whose felk kitties live for 
a long time healthfully -- so , please don't be in despair.. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: glenda Goodman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:41 PM
  Subject: Re: FELV kittens


  Heather, I read your email...never tried to answer an
  email on this site, so hope it works...Anyway, I feel
  very sorry for you and the kitties. I am new to this
  site too. After I found out I had a FeLV+ kitten about
  a month ago, I discovered this site and have been
  reading everything possible trying to understand these
  diseases and find hope for the kitten I have.I have a
  little girl, Bengal mix, polydactyl...so intelligent,
  so beautiful and so healthy, but FeLV+...
   My vet told me there is a chance when the FeLV comes
  through the queen there is a chance the kittens could
  beat the disease with good diet and environments, no
  stress and could someday test negative. If there is
  anyone out there that can give people in our situation
  some hope our kittens can beat this disease please
  share what you know that we do not...Thank you.
  Meanwhile Heather, good-luck to you with finding
  someone wonderful enough to help you with those
  kitties...Glenda Larsen in Nebraska
  --- Heather Wienker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > Hello-
  > 
  > I am new to this group, having  trapped an injured
  > Mom kitty at my new job,
  > who turned out to be FELV & FIV positive and a
  > nursing Mom.  This was in
  > April, I had 3 injured cats in my first two weeks of
  > changing jobs, I work
  > with ferals and it's been one of those years...it's
  > especially sad as I'm
  > told someone trapped this Mom last year, she was not
  > injured at the time,
  > they got a kitten from her that was negative (so she
  > may have been as well),
  > and she went back out unspayed even though they
  > (incorrectly) thought she
  > was declawed.   This whole thing could have been
  > avoided, and Mom is a very
  > sad kitty who has obviously been hurt by this world.
  >  She has an eye and ear
  > injury and is very meek and depressed.
  > 
  > Of her kittens, two initiallly tested + for both
  > FELV & FIV, two only + for
  > FIVsadly, they have now retested + for leukemia.
  >  Three cleared the FIV,
  > the fourth may have as well but the person who has
  > him has not retested yet
  > (I have no control over this unless I take the
  > kitten from her permanently
  > and have not been able to find a foster, I have no
  > room whatsoever myself,
  > it's been a somewhat unfriendly situation of impasse
  > in dealing with the
  > ladies at work as they've wanted me to place them
  > asap and me only having a
  > sanctuary option available a little further down the
  > road).  The kittens are
  > approx. 4 months old and very social.
  > 
  > We haven't been able to find homes or foster homes
  > and the ladies who
  > currently have them had given me until June 30 to
  > find homes or fosters or
  > they would have them euthanized.  They haven't done
  > so yet but one is taking
  > hers to a different (very large, over 700 cats)
  > sanctuary this Sunday, which
  > I am troubled by as this kitten is extremely social
  > and has lived indoors
  > since 5 weeks of age, though of course I appreciate
  > the help of a reputable
  > sanctuary.
  > 
  > I don't have much time on the one kitten, but will
  > continue to search for
  > homes for the other 3; two of them have been
  > together all this time and are
  > very bonded, those are the two who initially were
  > only FIV+ but retested
  > positive for leukemia.  I know this is confusing,
  > but basically, 4 FELV+
  > kittens need homes, two need a home together.   All
  > have been tested twice
  > but the 4th whom I do not have in my
  > posession...it's been a difficult
  > situation without going into it further on dynamics.
  >   I am heavily involved
  > with multiple colonies and have exhausted all of my
  > rescue
  > friends/resources as far as fosters or homes go for
  > the many kitties I am
  > trying to help, including these guys who are
  > difficult to place as FELV+.
  > 
  > If anyone knows persons who might be interested in
  > adopting one or two FELV+
  > kittens from Tampa, Florida, please pass this along.
  > 
  > Thank you all for loving FELV+ Kitties!
  > -- 
  > Heather
  > 



 
  
___

Re: Need help ASAP with a kitty

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

It makes my day to know that there is someone like you out there taking care of 
feral -- I admire your effort and good luck bringing in the rest of the feral 
babies -- are you trapping them in a regular trap?  If so, I highly recommend 
you consider using a drop trap -- Nina suggested that I use to re-trap Maddie 
who escapted out of her new adopted house two days later after she arrived (she 
was semi-feral cat) -- she was missing for 5 weeks until I finally re-trapped 
her with a drop trap -- after many many walks with putting out the flyers in 
all over the area -- the persistence had finally paid off -- I can't express 
how overwhelmingly happy we were to see maddie again..Maddie was sooo happy to 
be back home where she originally came from, and where all her brothers and 
friends are -- 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:04 PM
  Subject: Re: Need help ASAP with a kitty


  You are a very good purrson.

  I just took on 2 new clients that have "house ferals". :)

  It just warms my coal black heart to see what hoops they will jump through 
for those cats...

  I am in the process of relocating one of my feral colonies to my backyard, 
which is HUGE.

  There is a cottage in the the back, w/ 2 other buildings also.

  This colony is small, only 12 cats, they are losing their home due to 
"progress", of course.

  They have lived on the same greenbelt in Austin for years, and it was sold 
last year to built "single family dwellings"..  Gag

  The poor deer are being displaced too.

  Anyway, I have moved 5 to my yard, and one was tame and came to live inside.

  "Thomacina" is a huge orange tabby that was not feral, he was dumped @ the 
colony as a kitten and remained friendly.

  I noticed that his ear was draining constantly, & full of pus, so I took him 
to my vet who said he had 3 types of very nasty bacterial infections going on, 
plus a growth that needed to be removed.

  After we got the infections cleared up, Dr. Samon stepped in and removed his 
growth, ear canal and stitched him up.

  So far so good, it was cancerous.

  I put him in a foster home for 2 weeks so he could recoup and finish his 
meds, and then introduced him to my motley crew of rascals & hooligans in fur.

  I have never introduced a kitty that old to my gang (he's maybe 3 yrs?) so I 
wasn't sure what would happen.

  he fit right in, and now sleeps on my bed every night.

  It's funny when you take a kitty outta a bad situation where they are living 
on hand outs and move them inside,  you can really see appreciation in their 
eyes everyday.

  He just LOVES sleeping in a soft bed..


  I still have 6 more cats to move over to my home, I got sidetracked w/ the 
houston 14 from the rescuer / collector situation (felv+ exposure cats)

  But for now, I have trained the colony to eat in a good Sam's yard on a 
deadend street.

  Nice people, young hippies that have "rock art" all over their yard.

  So, kitties are somewhat outta harm's way for now.

  The main thing to remember is that you need to crate them for no less than 2 
weeks in their new environment.

  That way they can see, smell, hear the comings & goings in their new home.

  They HAVE to get familiar or they could try and find their old home.

  Very important.

  I put my 5 in a big "walk in" type pen that was inside my out building, for 6 
weeks.

  One day I just left the door opened so they could be free in my yard.

  I didn't see then for 2 weeks, I was so upset.

  They just reappeared one day, probably had been hiding the whole time.

  Now they are fed @ 6am after I tend to the house cats.

  Spoiled, spoiled, little brats...



  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com<http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/>
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org<http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/>
  www.shadowcats.net<http://www.shadowcats.net/>
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Need help ASAP with a kitty


Oh.. thank you!  I am a little   crazy that way -- I just don't know when 
to give up sometimes -- I would have staked out in the car all day long until 
she showed up every day

Re: Need help ASAP with a kitty

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Oh.. thank you!  I am a little   crazy that way -- I just don't know when to 
give up sometimes -- I would have staked out in the car all day long until she 
showed up every day --- since I did not want anyone else to be trapped and 
observed by her, I would hide in my car and had a string attached to the flap 
door of the trap so I can manually release when she goes into the trap - I was 
so happy to have her back - she is one of the very feral one and I cannot still 
pet her-- but she is a good girl!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:53 PM
  Subject: Re: Need help ASAP with a kitty


  Wow, Hideyo!

  That's an impressive story.

  You sound like you earn your "wings" everyday..  :)

  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com<http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/>
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org<http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/>
  www.shadowcats.net<http://www.shadowcats.net/>
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Need help ASAP with a kitty


It's just so awful -- people think that they can just dump these precious 
living creatures anywhere they want and they are going to be just fine -- I am 
so devastated to hear this story.. please please find out where your uncle took 
them and maybe you can perhaps retrap them.. I have done that.. my stupid 
neighbour adopted this feral kitty and she kept peeing in the house so, she 
dumped her some place far away from her house - so I found out where she took 
her and I staked out for a week and finally re-trapped her back and now she is 
with me -- I will be praying for those precious lives that they are going to be 
okay!..
<>

Re: Need help ASAP with a kitty

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

It's just so awful -- people think that they can just dump these precious 
living creatures anywhere they want and they are going to be just fine -- I am 
so devastated to hear this story.. please please find out where your uncle took 
them and maybe you can perhaps retrap them.. I have done that.. my stupid 
neighbour adopted this feral kitty and she kept peeing in the house so, she 
dumped her some place far away from her house - so I found out where she took 
her and I staked out for a week and finally re-trapped her back and now she is 
with me -- I will be praying for those precious lives that they are going to be 
okay!..
  - Original Message - 
  From: wendy 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; 
HyperT 
  Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:39 AM
  Subject: OT: Need help ASAP with a kitty


  Hi guys,

  The past week has been a pretty rough one.  My grandma
  in NC went into the hospital last Sunday and passed
  away on Wednesday.  We were very close, and I am upset
  that I did not get to tell her goodbye.  I was
  actually set to leave to see her this past Saturday,
  but I guess life doesn't go as planned, does it? 

  Anyway, my grandma had 3 feral cats that have been fed
  by her caregiver for the past two years because she
  has not been able to get out of bed with the
  Parkinson's.  Before I got to NC from Texas, my uncle
  trapped two and let them out at some remote farm, God
  knows where.  The last kitty left has been my favorite
  since she was born.  She was one of the ones the Best
  Friends came out and did a TNR on (there were several)
  a few years ago.  She is feral so has never let me pet
  her, although I have played with her with string and
  talked to her everytime I've visited my grandma.  When
  I went out to see which kitty was left yesterday, she
  let me know she was not happy and wanted to know where
  the rest of her family was.  It is heartbreaking to me
  to see her and know what happened with the other two. 
  I hope they are ok, and might possibly look into
  getting help for them in the next few days if my Uncle
  will tell me where he dropped them off.  

  I am on my way to go try to trap her this afternoon
  with a can of tuna fish, a medium sized kitty carrier,
  and some string for the door.  Wish me luck.  Animal
  Control has a waiting list for traps, and I'm leaving
  tomorrow morning, so I have no access to one unless I
  buy one.  

  I am just able to get online b/c my aunt and uncle
  have no Internet (I can't imagine!) and I had to wait
  to visit the library until now because of the funeral,
  etc.  I will check for any replies on my way back from
  my grandma's place today.

  The help I need from you guys is this: Do any of you
  know of any rescue shelters that will take ferals (I
  would prefer a feral specific rescue, if possible)?  I
  need one in the Greensboro, Winston-Salem, or
  Raleigh/Durham area of North Carolina.  I want her to
  have a good home.  I do not want to take her back to
  Texas if I can avoid it at all.  My husband will be
  mad at me if I do, and I'm traveling with my great
  aunt who's in her 80's and talks non-stop, so I think
  traveling with the two of them might be a disaster
  depending on how things go.  Any ideas would be
  greatly appreciated.  FYI: We will be traveling on 40
  through Tennessee tomorrow, so that is also an option
  for transport for us.  I am also going to look online
  to see what might be out there for help for her.

  Please let me know if you have any ideas. 

  Thanks guys,
  Wendy

  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~



 
  

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Re: very quiet

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

It does seem very quiet - not only from this list, but also from a couple of 
other lists that I belong to -- I barely saw any postings this afternoon -- 

I am glad that Junior has gain weight (gaining weight always makes me feel 
better when coming to a kitty's weight ) and his coat looks nice and smells 
good -- I always like that as well..
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:17 PM
  Subject: very quiet


  Hi

  It seems like things are either quiet or I am not getting posts. Nothing 
since yestaerday. Maybe folks are away on vacation.

  I had to get more Metacam for Junior. the vet does not want to remove the eye 
causing his pain. I tried to see if I could geet him off it but you can tell he 
is not the same. For Junior it is quality of life. Otherwise he is doing well 
he weighs about 12.6 lbs which is upo from his low weight of about 10.5 lbs. He 
coat is nice and he smells nice. Is that weird? 

  Hope everyone's babies are well. Quiet can be a good thing.



  -- 
  Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little 
Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post your 
as well.

  
http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
 <>

to Kelly L

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, Kelly, could you forward me the study done by italian group on Alferon 
again?  Someone needs it and I don't have a copy as I changed my email 
address.. thank you!

Re: multiple transfusion and steroid

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

  - Original Message - 
  From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:55 PM
  Subject: Fw: multiple transfusion and steroid 






  Hi, when giving multiple transfusions to a cat, is it common to give steroid 
( Injection of dex) and benedryl (sp) prior to transfusion to minize any 
reaction?

Fw: multiple transfusion and steroid

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, when giving multiple transfusions to a cat, is it common to give steroid ( 
Injection of dex) and benedryl (sp) prior to transfusion to minize any reaction?

Re: Anemia Issues

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I understand -- I think it's sort of "control" issue -- sometimes, they 
retratin the cat in certain way that their clients are not comfortable with 
--or they don't want you to freak out by doing certain exams -- I think they 
think they can control the cat better if the owner is not there..

Here's the link to the blood bank - your vet still might have to call in -- but 
what I did, I just let my vet know that it's coming and I pretented like I am 
one of the stuff and placed an order - make sure to let them know it's 
"priority" order as regular/standard order, you will have to wait for a couple 
of weeks -- with priority, which costs a bit more, but you will get it in 
during the next couple of days.

http://www.animalbloodbank.com/695419.html<http://www.animalbloodbank.com/695419.html>
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 10:28 AM
  Subject: Re: Anemia Issues



  That would be very helpful because if Monkee needs another transfusion, I 
can't afford to get it at Dr. Daley's again.  It did cost about $500 and I 
could only pay for half of it- which they were NOT happy about "allowing" me to 
do.  But if we do another one, it will not be there.   

  And at that place, there is no "being with" the cat.  Everything they do with 
is away in the back rooms (chemo, drawing blood, the transfusion, everything).  
Which I hate because I worked in my dad's vet clinic from the time I could walk 
and I have held off veins in cats/dogs for blood drawing, prepared slides, 
developed x-ray film, helped cleaned teeth (my dad totally should not have let 
us do that, but he did!), and assisted in whatever surgery I wanted to assist 
in etc.  So it seems pretty stupid to me when they take my cat from me to work 
on him when he would much rather have me there with him and I can practically 
do anything any of the techs could do anyway.  I kind of let this go though 
because I just wanted him to get good care and so I tried not to sweat the 
small stuff.

  -Caroline



----
From: "HIDEYO YAMAMOTO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: 
Subject: Re: Anemia Issues
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:00:49 -0600


Any vet can do transfusion if they are willing to do -- that's all it takes 
"willingness" to accommodate -- I have gotten transfusions for a several times 
for three different kitties of mine... the only place that I knew in my city 
that did transfusion was emergency clinic and charged for about $500 each time 
- and I so hated to go there -- the people are usually rude and arrogant and 
usually have to wait for a few hours to be seen -- and they won't let me be 
with my cat -- so I called the feline blood bank to inquire and they told me 
that it is a very simple procedure -- if a vet is equipped to give IV, they can 
give transfusions no problem.. the instruction comes with the blood -- so my 
vet offered to start offering transfusion service after I talkd to her -- it's 
great -- she let me stay wity my cat the whole time and don't have to wait 
around or anything...so if your regular vet does not currently offer to give 
transfusions -- something to think about -- I can give you the phone number of 
the blood bank I use to get blood regularly..  I pay for blood with my own 
credit card and it cost about $200, but the vet only charges $40 to give a 
transfusion.. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:45 AM
  Subject: Re: Anemia Issues 


  OK:  Here is more information to take or leave as you chose.

  Dr. Daley is a very good vet and so are the people who work there.  That 
being said, they are specialists and have trouble seeing beyond the science 
into the whole.  The Royal Princess Kitty Katt had cancer that spread pretty 
rapidly.  One of the doctors who works there saw her several times (she hated 
the place too and he would not let me be with her when they drew blood etc) and 
wanted to put her on chemo.  He gave her a couple of months at the outside if 
she didn't get it.  I went to my vets at MAC and we had a long conversation.  
Kitty did not get chemo and she had 14 months of very high quality life until 
she left this world on her own.  She, too, hated car rides (especially after a 
school bus driver plowed into her side of the Jeep) and vets.  Dr. Kohler and I 
spent a long time talking about the ups, downs, rights, wrongs etc and, as I 
said before, decided against chemo and to let Kitty leave this world on 

Re: Anemia Issues

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Any vet can do transfusion if they are willing to do -- that's all it takes 
"willingness" to accommodate -- I have gotten transfusions for a several times 
for three different kitties of mine... the only place that I knew in my city 
that did transfusion was emergency clinic and charged for about $500 each time 
- and I so hated to go there -- the people are usually rude and arrogant and 
usually have to wait for a few hours to be seen -- and they won't let me be 
with my cat -- so I called the feline blood bank to inquire and they told me 
that it is a very simple procedure -- if a vet is equipped to give IV, they can 
give transfusions no problem.. the instruction comes with the blood -- so my 
vet offered to start offering transfusion service after I talkd to her -- it's 
great -- she let me stay wity my cat the whole time and don't have to wait 
around or anything...so if your regular vet does not currently offer to give 
transfusions -- something to think about -- I can give you the phone number of 
the blood bank I use to get blood regularly..  I pay for blood with my own 
credit card and it cost about $200, but the vet only charges $40 to give a 
transfusion.. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:45 AM
  Subject: Re: Anemia Issues 


  OK:  Here is more information to take or leave as you chose.

  Dr. Daley is a very good vet and so are the people who work there.  That 
being said, they are specialists and have trouble seeing beyond the science 
into the whole.  The Royal Princess Kitty Katt had cancer that spread pretty 
rapidly.  One of the doctors who works there saw her several times (she hated 
the place too and he would not let me be with her when they drew blood etc) and 
wanted to put her on chemo.  He gave her a couple of months at the outside if 
she didn't get it.  I went to my vets at MAC and we had a long conversation.  
Kitty did not get chemo and she had 14 months of very high quality life until 
she left this world on her own.  She, too, hated car rides (especially after a 
school bus driver plowed into her side of the Jeep) and vets.  Dr. Kohler and I 
spent a long time talking about the ups, downs, rights, wrongs etc and, as I 
said before, decided against chemo and to let Kitty leave this world on her own 
if she wanted to.  I have never regretted either decision. 

  Watch that carrier trick.  He could try that in a parking lot and you would 
have big trouble.  There are other places to get blood transfusions if you 
don't feel comfortable at Dr. Daley's.  They are very good at what they do and 
I would certainly go back there for treatment if the situation called for it 
but, like all of us, they have their focuses.  




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- Original Message - 
From: catatonya 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: Anemia Issues 


Hi Caroline,

It sounds like you're doing everything you can.  I'm sure by now someone 
has mentioned taking doxy in case it's hemobartonella.  If it's not hemobart 
the anemia is hard to beat, but there are people on the list who have bought 
'good' time for their cats with various methods.  13 pounds is a good weight, 
and his behavior sounds good too.  I hope the best for Monkee.
tonya

Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hi everyone.  I wanted to provide an update on my FeLV pos. and 
lymphosarcoma cat Monkee.  He saw his Vet yesterday to determine whether the 
Epogen had helped his anemia.  The news was very bad.  Apparently last week, 
when the anemia started, his Red Blood cell count was 13%.  After a week (& 3 
doses of the Epogen), his RBC count was actually worse, 10%.  However, Monkee's 
White Blood Cell count is normal (it was down last week) and his lymphocyte 
count is normal.  Dr. Daley also found a lymph node in his groin that is 
enlarged (but it can't be felt from the outside- it runs along the artery in 
the leg).  His Vet said she thinks the FeLV is causing the problem, or it could 
be the lymphosarcoma, but when pressed, she said that she honestly doubted it 
was the cancer.  She presented 3 options: (1) a bone marrow aspirate/biopsy to 
determine what is going on at the cellular level; however, it is invasive and 
Monkee would need sedation- which he couldn't get anyway while so anemic (so 
he'd need a blood transfusion 1st, just to be able to do the bio

Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I prefer to use predisolone over prednisone - it works as well, but predisolone 
is easier on their liver, I think.
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:03 AM
  Subject: Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella


  The prednisone will do a lot to help her feel better.


  On 7/2/07, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Hi. I have not seen much discussion about prednisone. This and doxy are 
what my vet is recommending. He is willing to also try IR. Isa has been more 
lethargic the past few days. Am taking her tomorrow for weight and temp check. 
She is still eating ~more like grazing. Any thoughts on the pred? Doxy? Her 
anemia is non-regenerative. 
Thanks
Laurie

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Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

How much does he weigh?  And what is the strength of epogen did your vet use?  
I am emailing you the link regarding information on epogen in case you find it 
helpful.

http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#treatments
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gina WN 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:44 AM
  Subject: Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues


  Great idea about the binder!

  Gina

  Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Monkee's HCT was 13% two weeks ago (when we first went to the Vet because I 
knew something was wrong).  That was on a Tuesday.  They gave him .3 of Epogen 
and sent me home with a tiny bottle to give him sub-cu injections of Epogen 
that Thurs, and Sat.  They increased his predisone (which was 5 mg- I think?  
the little, small pills), every other day, to one every day; his Vet also added 
the appetite stimulant, 1/2 a pill twice a day.  We did the week of Epogen, 
went back this Tues. and that is when his HCT count was 10% and his Vet told us 
the options (marrow biopsy, transfusion, etc).  We did the blood transfusion on 
Wed. and they said after it, his count was up to 15%.  The instructions were to 
just continue the pred and the appetite stim.  Nothing was said about the 
Interferon or Epogen and I was too out of it to ask because I was so shocked by 
the bill from the transfusion (and all I could think was that we can't afford 
another one).
He was, what I call "Super Monkee" (it speaks for itself) on Wed., after 
the transfusion.  But since then, he's gone down a little bit (not with eating 
though); but he's defintely less Super Monkee, and he's less bright-eyed.  But 
he is still sleeping better- actual sound sleeping, as opposed to the just 
laying there and staring into space "sleeping."   
I have printed your emails and I filed them in "Monkee's Care Binder"- that 
I have organized with ALL his information and it has dividers and everything.  
I am going to ask questions from the emails when a Vet ever calls me back!  But 
I decided I need to bring some MAJOR organization to caring for Monkee if I 
want to do this right, hence the binder!  I highly suggest this to anyone who 
isn't already doing something similar.  I take The Monkee Binder with me 
everywhere.  
-Caroline 



--

  From:  Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject:  Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues
  Date:  Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:22:31 -0700
  >PS.  If it were me I would either find a vet who knows how to work 
  >with epogen or ask your vet to research it, or take research you've 
  >done to him and ask him to work with you.  Along with the epogen a 
  >cat should be getting blood builders, nutrived is a good source for 
  >this.  It has the iron, vitamin b needed to build blood.  Fred's HCT 
  >got as low as 24% and the nutrived got him back up to 30%.  Nutrived 
  >wouldn't be enough for a cat with an HCT of 18% or less.  I can't 
  >remember what is Monkee's HCT?
  >
  >PS.  Bailey had the bone marrow aspirate and that is why we very 
  >strongly suspected cancer somewhere.  He had Myloid Dysplastic 
  >(basically there were pre-cancerous cells there).  We did every test 
  >we could think of and couldn't find the cancer, even after we got 
  >his HCT to normal, he had no energy and wouldn't eat.   He succumbed 
  >to pancreatic cancer which we found after he passed with a necropsy. 
  >  I suspected his pancreas was involved because he always was 
  >uncomfortable when I fed him through his feeding tube.  He was on 
  >high doses of prednisolone and was getting doxy just incase his 
  >hemobartonella test was a false negative.  The pred and the epo are 
  >what got his HCT back to normal and stopped the bone marrow 
  >surpression by the virus.
  >
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  >
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Re: To Laurie re hemobart

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

How about PCR test?  Do you think false nagative is still common with Hemob PCR 
Test?
  - Original Message - 
  From: wendy 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:14 AM
  Subject: To Laurie re hemobart


  Hey Laurie,

  The reason vets like to treat for hemobart without the
  test is that the hemobart tends to hide itself on the
  slides.  It's very hard to diagnose.  I think it's
  possible that my cat Cricket died of hemobart b/c I
  knew nothing about it and none of the three vets that
  saw him suggested doxy or hemobart.  He died from
  anemia.  

  Hemobart can be seen on a slide, but it's hit or miss.
   The blood must be fresh when tested so they can see
  the organisms attached to the blood cells.  Even then,
  one minute they might show up, the next, they aren't
  there.  So there's a real danger in thinking she
  doesn't have it after testing negative, when she does.
   Good luck Laurie.  I hope you guys are able to turn
  her around.

  :)
  Wendy

  --- laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > Hello Sally, did the Baytril improve the anemia? I
  > am trying to figure it out...does this mean there
  > was an infection that the baytril effectively
  > treated and the infection caused the anemia? Were
  > there other symptoms?
  > 
  > Did IR take care of the fevers?
  > 
  > We are dealing with fever, anemia and low white
  > blood count...my vet and I are going to talk
  > tomorrow about what to do to treat the anemia. 
  > I was thinking of having Isabella tested for
  > hemobart rather than just treating for it. He wanted
  > to just treat with doxy but we used this for a
  > kitten earlier this spring and I'd rather not use it
  > unless we know she has hemobart. My vet is not
  > supportive of using IR. His research shows nothing
  > works for feline leukemiabut I believe he will
  > support what we want to do (just doesn't want false
  > hopes on my part ~ we've been through several
  > mystery illnesses together).
  > 
  > Thanks for any info,
  > Laurie
  > 
  >  
  > - Original Message - 
  >   From: Susan Dubose 
  >   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  >   Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:00 PM
  >   Subject: Re: Pictures and a question
  > 
  > 
  >   Good for you, Sally, for following your instincts
  > when it comes to your baby's care
  > 
  >   Lucky boy he is
  > 
  > 
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  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: Sally Davis 
  > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:06 PM
  > Subject: Re: Pictures and a question
  > 
  > 
  > Junior initially was treated for hemobartella as
  > a precaution with Baytril. The anemia did improve,
  > but then came the fevers the eye infection etcit
  > was a rough go and without this group, I am not sure
  > how long I would have put him through it. I was and
  > to certain extent am clueless. 
  > 
  > My vet at that time was saying the with the
  > fevers most likely being from the FELV it might be
  > time to pts. I took my puttycat home and got him
  > back to the old vet and told him I wanted to do the
  > IR. He, Dr Larrick is a good natured fellow who
  > thank goodness had just hired a new(young vet). She
  > has been very caring and did the IR protocol and we
  > treated what came along. Junior is still with me 10
  > months later. Thanks to the support and knowlegde of
  > this group.  
  > 
  > sally
  > 
  >  
  > On 7/1/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > wrote: 
  >   Not necessarily on topicMai Mai had
  > AIHA and it improved with the addition of liver
  > (yuck) to her food + alternative vet treatments.  I
  > have to wonder if anemic cats would benefit from
  > liver pops 
  > 
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Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, Belinda, I posted it on anemia list, I think - but here's the extract
from marvistavet site -- 

> In one study 2 out of 3 dogs treated for more than 90 days with human 
> erythropoietin
> and 5 out of 7 cats treated for more than 180 days with human 
> erythropoietin
> developed refractory anemia due to anti-erythropoietin antibodies.
> A more commonly reported statistic is a 30% incidence in development of 
> refractory anemia.
>
> After discontinuing erythropoietin, antibodies wane over 2-12 months and 
> the red cell count returns to its pre-treatment level. Blood transfusions 
> may be needed to keep the patient alive during this time.

here's the link
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/erythropoietin.html

And Dr. kathy who participated in this study 1998 quoted as follows;

"Having worked on the Amgen-sponsored clinical trial of Epogen in cats I can 
clearly say that no, not all cats get antibodies to human-recombinant 
erythropoietin. Based on the clinical trial, the % varied a little between 
Ohio State, UC-Davis, and U of MN patients, but it is about 1/3. Because the 
antibodies, if they form, are cross-reactive to the cat's own endogenous 
erythropoietin, they are very serious and the anemia that result will be 
severe (generally requiring multiple transfusions) until the antibodies wear 
off. We've had cats on Epogen for over 2 years without antibodies, so I 
think the majorty of cats' immune systems never recognize it as foreign."

So, 30% came from 1/3, I believe.  I had started on epogen on Ayumi thinking 
that 5 to 10% stas which is not that bad.. but if I had known that the stats 
could be as high as 30% - I would have thought more about using epogen, but 
instead I would have used  aranesp instead.


__._,_.___ 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Belinda 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 12:44 PM
  Subject: Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues


  > again 30% to 50% of cats will develop antibody,


  I believe this is a very high estimate, where did you get this number 
  Hideyo??

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Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Yes, please please see another vet -- how insulting-- Ayumi is very much the 
same -- she jumps and eat and she is not clinically ill!! I have heard kitties 
who were anemic and clinically ill - and I thought anemia killed them -- but 
now looking at Ayumi, there must be something else besides anemia that killed 
my babies because PCV 8, and Ayumi does not look ill ---

I am so glad that you are not letting this stupid vet convince you about what 
he is saying --- don't give up, Caroline.. let's fight together for both Monkee 
and Ayumi.. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:51 AM
  Subject: Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues


  I am going to talk to Monkee's regular vet (Dr. Jones) about this because I 
am worried.  And I don't like how I was pretty much told to give up on a cat 
that doesn't look clinically sick!  What dying cat eats a human-sized portion 
of raw hamburger meat and chicken livers (with gusto!)?!  And has enough energy 
to rip the chicken livers to shreds!  Come on!  

  Thanks for your insight- both of you.  I didn't know there was a feline 
anemia list serve.  I will try that too...

  -Caroline 





From: Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:20:45 -0700

        Epogen should be given 3 times a week to start one dose will 
do nothing, It sounds like your vet isn't familiar with how to use epogen.  It 
should be given 3 times a week and ONLY once the cat is in the normal range 
should that number be lowered.  Bailey got it 3 times a week for about 8 
weeks, then it went to twice a week for a few weeks and then we went to once a 
week.  He was still getting it once a week when he passed from cancer.  He 
had been getting it for about 5 months and his HCT was still normal at 33% when 
the cancer took him.

Like I said almost ALL cats will have a drop in their HCT when they start 
epogen for the first 2 to 5 weeks, it can take 2 to 5 weeks to work, average is 
2 or 3 weeks for it to kick in and in that time the HCT almost always drops, 
many vets will stop the epogen at that point thinking it's an antiboby 
reaction.  But I do know of a cat that took over 5 weeks and the standard 
starting dose wasn't enough for this cat, luckily her vet figured it out and 
upped the dose, the cat reversed it's anemia.

Another cat I know on the feline lymphoma list who had CRF related anemia 
problems along with his cancer lived 2 years on epogen before the cancer came 
out of remission for a 3rd time and took him.

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Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

If I am not wrong, every brand should have modified or killed version -- but am 
not 100% sure.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:44 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge


  I am not sure if it is killed or not, Hideyo.  I'm trying to find out, but 
haven't found anything so far.  I know my vet prefers them to Ft Dodge

  Most rescuers use Ft Dodge, they are cheaper...

   
  On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote: 
Meiral is supposed to be good - do they use killed vaccine?  I here that we 
should always use Killed version especially for Felk to be safe.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:27 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  If it is that new he is not using it.  He uses Meiral.  Also the free 
spay/neuter clinic, where I get my rescue kitties inoculated, uses Meiral.

  I used to use Dr Samon for injections for all the kittes..but then he 
doubled his prices...ouch ouch.

   
  On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO < [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote: 
Sure -- I don't know if it's commercially available right now,, as the 
pharmaceutical company came over to my vet office to do some test/sample on 
clinic kitties.. I will get the names for you, though.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  Can you get it for me just in case my vet does not knowhe keeps 
up on things..occasionally I can surprise him, like when I found the 
flourescine dye protocol for telling which kitty is peeing outside the 
box...but when I asked him about interferon for Suzie he said he already had 
her on the human..(I know the feline is better but he had her on the human 
without even being asked). 


  On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO < [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote: 
by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, 
much safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not 
already aware of this.
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. 
winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's 
what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org <>

  HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, 
and it annoys me that i can't find it now.

  re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can 
tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated 
TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned 
positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where 
supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those 
cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, 
mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out 
later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. 

  also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV 
vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think 
about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to 
our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers 
has questioned the "85% efficacy rate" of the vaccine for a long time, in light 
of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the 
fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. 

  i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, 
frail elders, and other compromised populations

  thanks for the links, hideyo!


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Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

yikes... Dr. Daley may not be familiar with how epogen works, Caroline-- how 
long ago did Monkee get an epogen?  It usually takes two to three weeks for 
epogen to show any effect --the meantime, his PCV will continue to go down.. 
but you don't know yet if he was only give a week ago,

 again, since he is not sure whether epogen works or not, I would so very much 
recommend that you switch to aranesp from epogen.. again 30% to 50% of cats 
will develop antibody, once it does, epogen will destroy human erytheipoten 
(produced by epogen) as well as natural erytheiopoeitn that Monkee produces on 
his own, and his anemia will become more severe, and it will take two months to 
a year before antibody reactions goes away from his body --the meantime, you 
have to give him multiple transfusion to tie his life.. I am advising this to 
you, that's exactly what happened to ayumi and I regeret that I did not use 
aranesep -- aranesp works a similar way to epogen, but much less possibility of 
him getting antibody reactions - lots of vet schools now uses aranesp over 
epogen due to the risk mentioned earilier.  This antibody reaction can be fatal.

Epogen needs to be injected in cats three times a week initially and you need 
to monitor his PCV weekly and also his BP, epogen will cause high BP in cats 
(hypertension) and will cause a cat to be blind.. my hannibal became blind 
after one week therapy of epogen due to high BP -- make sure you check his BP 
now and regularly during epogen therapy, anything over 150 to 160 is high, and 
he needs to be on norvasc to control hypertension.  and pay attention to his 
pupils to make sure that it does not look dilated.. if it does, you need to 
take him to emergency to get norvasc, as there is a chance to reversre blindess 
if you catch it with in 24 to 48 hours or so.  thank you.

Hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:32 AM
  Subject: Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues


  Monkee only had one week's treatment of Epogen.  Dr. Daley didn't say 
anything about continuing Epogen or trying a second dose.  When I asked on 
Tues. if the Epogen helped him at all, she said no, because his red blood cell 
count was actually lower.  So, I don't know if we should try it again (meaning, 
if I should ASK for Monkee to be able to try it again)?  I was also not 
instructed as to whether or not we should re-start his 7-days-on of Interferon, 
which would start today?  I put a call into Dr. Daley yesterday about that and 
haven't heard back yet.  




--------
From: "HIDEYO YAMAMOTO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: 
Subject: Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:03:12 -0600


I know that it's not very common - but I did hear from two other people 
from anemia list who responded to epogen who had non-regenerative anemia but 
who was not a CRF kitty -- I have my kitty, ayumi who has non regenerative 
anemia with unknown cause is also suffering from anemia -- she was coping with 
anemial pretty well, until I started using epogen (though it seems to have 
worked for a tiny bit --), then she might have developed antibody reaction as 
her anemia got worse than before she started treatment -- so I stopped epogen 
therapy completely and she got her first transfusion -- my hope is that, after 
several weeks, antibody reaction will go away and her PCV will go back to where 
it was before the therapy...

I do however, recommend due to antibody reaction possibility (up to 30% to 
50% of cats in some study), using aranesp over epogen... and sometimes, it 
works among kitties who developed antiboy to epogen, and antibody reaction % is 
much less than epogen.. if I had researched a bit more regarding the real % of 
epogen, I would probably have used aranesp over epogen in a heartbeat.. as I 
feel that she never really got benefit of epogen, but it may have harmed her 
more -- aranesp is a bit more expensive.. but I am considering using it for 
ayumi soon.
  - Original Message - 
  From: wendy<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:46 AM
  Subject: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues


  Hi Belinda,

  In response to your post below, I felt the need to
  clarify for Caroline's sake.  Bailey's situation
  should be considered a miracle in my book.  As we have
  seen too many times here, most cats do not respond as
  Bailey did with that type of anemia; it claims the
  lives of many.  While I do not wish to play a part in
  taking away Caroline's hope, I also want to be
  co

Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Meiral is supposed to be good - do they use killed vaccine?  I here that we 
should always use Killed version especially for Felk to be safe.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:27 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge


  If it is that new he is not using it.  He uses Meiral.  Also the free 
spay/neuter clinic, where I get my rescue kitties inoculated, uses Meiral.

  I used to use Dr Samon for injections for all the kittes..but then he doubled 
his prices...ouch ouch.

   
  On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote: 
Sure -- I don't know if it's commercially available right now,, as the 
pharmaceutical company came over to my vet office to do some test/sample on 
clinic kitties.. I will get the names for you, though.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  Can you get it for me just in case my vet does not knowhe keeps up on 
things..occasionally I can surprise him, like when I found the flourescine dye 
protocol for telling which kitty is peeing outside the box...but when I asked 
him about interferon for Suzie he said he already had her on the human..(I know 
the feline is better but he had her on the human without even being asked). 


  On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO < [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote: 
by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much 
safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already 
aware of this.
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn 
feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what 
on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org <>

  HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and 
it annoys me that i can't find it now.

  re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can 
tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated 
TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned 
positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where 
supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those 
cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, 
mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out 
later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. 

  also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines 
are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where 
they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to 
do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has 
questioned the "85% efficacy rate" of the vaccine for a long time, in light of 
the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact 
that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. 

  i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail 
elders, and other compromised populations

  thanks for the links, hideyo!


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  Maybe That'll Make The Difference

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  MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  ICQ: 289856892 



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Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

To make it simpler - you just have to eliminate the percentagae of this 
category from 100% 

30% of adult cats will become persistently infected; these cats will not 
develop an adequate immune response and will remain permanently infected with 
FeLV. These are the cats who will become ill and die of FeLV-related diseases, 
usually within 2-3 years of infection. These cats will shed large amounts of 
virus in their saliva.

  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge


  yeah, but all of those are not clear, "exposure, infection, clearing the 
virus..."

  but they could be the ones that were initially referenced


  On 6/29/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
I counted up the percentages in Hideyo's list and they added up to 70%.

K

 
On 6/29/07, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
wrote: 
  right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn 
feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what 
on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org 

  HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it 
annoys me that i can't find it now. 

  re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, 
there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE 
NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned 
positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where 
supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those 
cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, 
mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out 
later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. 

  also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are 
about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where 
they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to 
do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has 
questioned the "85% efficacy rate" of the vaccine for a long time, in light of 
the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact 
that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. 

  i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail 
elders, and other compromised populations

  thanks for the links, hideyo! 



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  MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ICQ: 289856892 




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Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

No, I think it's a regular injection type.
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge


  the intranasal one, hideyo?


  On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote: 
by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much 
safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already 
aware of this.
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge


  right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn 
feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what 
on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org <>

  HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it 
annoys me that i can't find it now.

  re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, 
there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE 
NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned 
positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where 
supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those 
cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, 
mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out 
later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. 

  also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are 
about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where 
they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to 
do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has 
questioned the "85% efficacy rate" of the vaccine for a long time, in light of 
the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact 
that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. 

  i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail 
elders, and other compromised populations

  thanks for the links, hideyo!


  -- 

  Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
  Maybe That'll Make The Difference

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  AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
  MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  ICQ: 289856892 



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  MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  ICQ: 289856892 

Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Sure -- I don't know if it's commercially available right now,, as the 
pharmaceutical company came over to my vet office to do some test/sample on 
clinic kitties.. I will get the names for you, though.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge


  Can you get it for me just in case my vet does not knowhe keeps up on 
things..occasionally I can surprise him, like when I found the flourescine dye 
protocol for telling which kitty is peeing outside the box...but when I asked 
him about interferon for Suzie he said he already had her on the human..(I know 
the feline is better but he had her on the human without even being asked). 


  On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote: 
by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much 
safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already 
aware of this.
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn 
feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what 
on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org <>

  HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it 
annoys me that i can't find it now.

  re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, 
there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE 
NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned 
positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where 
supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those 
cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, 
mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out 
later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. 

  also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are 
about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where 
they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to 
do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has 
questioned the "85% efficacy rate" of the vaccine for a long time, in light of 
the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact 
that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. 

  i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail 
elders, and other compromised populations

  thanks for the links, hideyo!


  -- 

  Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
  Maybe That'll Make The Difference

  MaryChristine

  AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
  MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  ICQ: 289856892 



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  http://www.rescuties.org<http://www.rescuties.org/>

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20<http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20>

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Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

yep, exactly!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:11 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge


  I counted up the percentages in Hideyo's list and they added up to 70%.

  K

   
  On 6/29/07, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn 
feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what 
on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org 

HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it 
annoys me that i can't find it now. 

re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, 
there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE 
NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned 
positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where 
supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those 
cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, 
mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out 
later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. 

also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are 
about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where 
they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to 
do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has 
questioned the "85% efficacy rate" of the vaccine for a long time, in light of 
the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact 
that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. 

i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail 
elders, and other compromised populations

thanks for the links, hideyo! 



-- 

Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892 



  -- 
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

  http://www.rescuties.org 

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

  Please help Caroline!

  http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

  I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

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Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - 
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Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much safer 
than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already aware 
of this.
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge


  right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline 
foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on 
theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org 

  HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it 
annoys me that i can't find it now.

  re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there 
are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE 
(ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from 
living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly 
negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the 
negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the 
sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that 
SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. 

  also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 
95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are 
coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) 
however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 
"85% efficacy rate" of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high 
percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that 
vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. 

  i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, 
and other compromised populations

  thanks for the links, hideyo!


  -- 

  Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
  Maybe That'll Make The Difference

  MaryChristine

  AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
  MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ICQ: 289856892 

Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I am in a very similar boat, Caroline - please stay positive - my first every 
rescued kitty, ayumi whom I brought from Japan, is fighting against anemial.. 
like Monkee -- she is not clinically ill, but her PCV went down to 8 last week 
and she had her first tansfusion -- unless there is a huge treatment 
difference, please don't put him go through bone marrow biopsy -- that's very 
stressful for him.

I suggested in my previuos email.. but please consdier aranesp for anemia 
teatment.  and you might be already, but if you are not, please join feline 
anemia list as there are lots of people with experience there as well.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:17 AM
  Subject: RE: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues


  I talked to Dr. Susan Maier (holistic) yesterday.  I was having a lot of 
trouble myself remaining positive and I was doing a lot of crying this week 
about Monkee's anemia situation.  She said that Monkee's has a really strong 
life-force and he looks really good and I need to stay positive because the 
blood transfusion will buy more time for her remedies to work.  I asked about 
reversal of the anemia and asked her to look at the records of the blood 
results from his CBC on Tuesday at Dr. Daley's.  I asked if she could tell if 
he had regenerative or nonregenerative anemia based on those.  She said his 
regenerative values were all within the normal limits, but that no, she 
couldn't tell from the blood results.  However, she told me if the anemia is 
brought on by the chemo, it's usually regenerative (and can thus be reversed); 
if the anemia is brought on by his actual Feline Leukemia, it's usually 
nonregenerative (and usually irreversible).  I said, I guess that is why Dr. 
Daley talked about doing the bone marrow biopsy, because that would be the only 
way to really examine the marrow and be able to tell what is going on with the 
RBC, right?  Dr. Maier said yes.  I said, of course, we aren't doing a bone 
marrow biopsy, but now I FINALLY have a better understanding of what is going 
on.  I know Dr. Daley is a good Vet, she's just so clinical, and 
soo cerebral that I don't think she explains things the way I need 
things explained to me.  And it's not that I am dumb, it's just that this is my 
first FelV+ cat- and unlike her, I haven't been through this (sadly) a million 
times with other FelV+ cats.  Also, when I am sitting there crying my eyes out 
at what she is saying to me, I really need her to slow down and talk to me like 
I am a dumb baby!  So, I am kind of having an issue with that right now.  Dr. 
Maier said that I can call her anytime to "bounce ideas off" of her or ask for 
clarification about something so I thought that was very refreshing.  

  I have also put a call into Monkee's original Vet, Dr. Jones at the Cat 
Clinic of Louisville- for him to call me to discuss us returning to him for 
primary care since Monkee's main problem now is anemia and not cancer.  I 
haven't heard from him yet.  But his office is only 5 minutes away, so the 
stress on Monkee is decreased.  Plus, he only treats cats and so the stress of 
the sound of dogs barking is also eliminated for Monkee.  Dr. Jones just has a 
really good bedside manner that I think Monkee and I both really need right 
now.  

  Dr. Maier suggested that I feed Monkee raw, lean hamburger meat and chicken 
livers to help his anemia.  I was shocked because I am a vegetarian so I NEVER 
buy meat, much less handle it, but I had to suppress my disgust and do it for 
Monkee.  Our first foray into this realm was traumatic- for me.  The chicken 
livers really freaked me out.  When I was cutting them up the first time, my 
legs got weak and my knees felt like they might buckle, but Monkee was sitting 
on the floor looking up at me licking his chops, so I had to pull through, so 
as not to faint and fall on top of him  Needless to say, he 
LOVES it!  I think I gave him too much last 
night- probably because I was losing my mind while cutting everything up- and I 
was worried that I overdid it and he couldn't eat it all, but he cleared his 
plate!  The same this morning.  It's hilarious to watch him eat the livers 
because, even though I have been coating the place with paper towels, he will 
pick up a piece and shake his head around to help break it up (like a dog) and 
he so he gets blood and liver "juice" (yuck) everywhere!  I swear he's doing it 
just to freak me out!  But he is so happy getting raw food, I think that, in 
and of itself, is going to increase his "life force" ten-fold!

  






From:  wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:  To Belinda: Re: Anemia Is

Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I know that it's not very common - but I did hear from two other people from 
anemia list who responded to epogen who had non-regenerative anemia but who was 
not a CRF kitty -- I have my kitty, ayumi who has non regenerative anemia with 
unknown cause is also suffering from anemia -- she was coping with anemial 
pretty well, until I started using epogen (though it seems to have worked for a 
tiny bit --), then she might have developed antibody reaction as her anemia got 
worse than before she started treatment -- so I stopped epogen therapy 
completely and she got her first transfusion -- my hope is that, after several 
weeks, antibody reaction will go away and her PCV will go back to where it was 
before the therapy...

I do however, recommend due to antibody reaction possibility (up to 30% to 50% 
of cats in some study), using aranesp over epogen... and sometimes, it works 
among kitties who developed antiboy to epogen, and antibody reaction % is much 
less than epogen.. if I had researched a bit more regarding the real % of 
epogen, I would probably have used aranesp over epogen in a heartbeat.. as I 
feel that she never really got benefit of epogen, but it may have harmed her 
more -- aranesp is a bit more expensive.. but I am considering using it for 
ayumi soon.
  - Original Message - 
  From: wendy 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:46 AM
  Subject: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues


  Hi Belinda,

  In response to your post below, I felt the need to
  clarify for Caroline's sake.  Bailey's situation
  should be considered a miracle in my book.  As we have
  seen too many times here, most cats do not respond as
  Bailey did with that type of anemia; it claims the
  lives of many.  While I do not wish to play a part in
  taking away Caroline's hope, I also want to be
  completely upfront about non-regenerative anemia.  It
  can be reversed, but not usually.  I should have made
  this statement earlier.  So That being said, it may be
  wise to keep her kitty on Epogen considering Bailey's
  case, as we never know when a situation might be
  reversed.

  Respectfully,
  Wendy

  --- Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > Everytime I hear this I post this, Bailey's anemia
  > was non regenerative 
  > and we DID reverse it.
  > 
  > > and it is not a good anemia to have.  It means the
  > leukemia is probably active in the bone marrow,
  > which is, as far as I know, irreversable.
  > 
  > -- 
  > 
  > Belinda
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Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I read in multiple literature that 2/3 of cats who were expsed to the virus 
will thrwo off the Felk virus as well.  One I saw is in the peteducation web 
page in felk section about it does not tell where the back up study came from.. 
Also, one of the medical book I have for cats also say the same thing -- 

Here's what I copied from the website..from the peteducation.com

What happens to a cat after being exposed to FeLV?

If the cat becomes infected from the exposure, 2-4 weeks later, in the 
acute stage of infection, large numbers of the virus can be found in the 
bloodstream (viremia). Cats in the acute phase usually do not show signs of 
disease. If they do, the signs are usually mild fever, slight lethargy, and 
swollen lymph 
nodes 
(lymphadenopathy). When an adult cat is exposed to FeLV, four things can happen:

  1.. Approximately 30% of adult cats will not be infected due to inadequate 
exposure.

  2.. 30-35% of adult cats have a transient infection; over the course of 6 
months or so, the cats will eventually kill all of the virus.

  3.. 5-10% of adult cats will develop 
latent infections; these cats will not be able to kill all the virus, but 
will be able to hold it in check. This is called a latent infection. These cats 
usually show no signs of infection and usually do not shed virus in their 
saliva or other body secretions. 
Queens, however, may still pass the virus in utero or through the milk.

  4.. 30% of adult cats will become persistently infected; these cats will not 
develop an adequate immune response and will remain permanently infected with 
FeLV. These are the cats who will become ill and die of FeLV-related diseases, 
usually within 2-3 years of infection. These cats will shed large amounts of 
virus in their saliva.

Age is a very important factor in determining what will happen after a cat is 
exposed to FeLV. Almost all FeLV-exposed kittens less than 8 weeks of age will 
have persistent viremia and show signs of disease during the acute phase. As 
kittens get older, there is the probability of becoming persistently infected 
after exposure lessens, until it reaches approximately 30% in adulthood.

The prevalence of FeLV infection is highest in cats between 1 and 6 years of 
age, with a mean age of 3 years. Males are 1-½ times more likely to be infected 
than females. This may be due to the frequency in which intact males roam and 
fight.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:14 AM
  Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge


  Hey MC,

  I, too, need to track down that 70% figure.  And my understanding is that 
that is 70% of healthy, *unvaccinated* cats can throw off the virus.  So with 
vaccinated cats it would be even better.
  Is that your understanding as well?


  Alley Cat Allies has some good documentation on how spaying and neutering 
more animals is a better answer to stopping the spread of FELV than is testing. 
 They recommend *not* testing healthy, asymptomatic cats.   
http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/test.pdf

  Whenever our feral cat program gets started, that's the way we will operate.  
If only there were 48 hours in the day:)

  Kelley


   
  On 6/28/07, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
the most important info, i believe, in the last few years, is the research 
showing a genetic predisposition for the mutation from the usually benign 
corona virus to the horrible FIP. when i was still involved with VIN (the 
parent of www.veterinarypartner.com that 
belinda references), this relationship was just starting to come out, through 
the Feline Genome Project results from UC Davis and other participants. the 
winn feline foundation (whose link i don't happen to have right at hand but a 
search will pull it up, has current position papers on FIV, FeLV and FIP. 
personally, i disagree with their overly pessimistic stats on both FIV and 
FeLV, but that's me.) 

as belinda says, the information is out there and we have a responsibility 
to make sure that what we don't add to the confusion by repeating stuff that is 
NOT accurate.

(and yes, i STILL haven't found where, exactly, the oft-quoted figure that 
" 70% of healthy adult cats can throw off the FeLV virus." but i'm still 
looking.) 





On 6/28/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 

Here are some sites with info about FIP.  Just because the same 
misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true.  To many 
cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed about.  To say a 
cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the 
proper verification procedures being fol

Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Indeed - I know it's hard -- but we need to do our best to give all the love 
and joy we can give as they certainly deserve it-- when I was losing eight 
kitties one after the other.. I was overwhelmed with the depression --and 
eventually, I learned to live in the moment.. I loved all of them like there is 
no tomorrow -- hold them and tel them how beautiful they are.. the pain we are 
going through is only temprary and we will always be together no matter what -- 
there is nothing that can separate us --

There was a quote I saw some place goes something like.
Stop telling God how big strom is, but start telling storm, how big god is.. 
something like that..
I just try not to think of how big the pain and sorrow is.. but strated to 
think how big and powerful our love and bond with each other is..  much love,

Hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:40 AM
  Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues


  Wise words, Marylyn...

  Wise words...


  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
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 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues


Please do not grieve too much before it is timeit will take the joy 
of having Sammy and the others with you now away.  It is so very difficult but 
try.  Live each moment with the wonderful little ones.  That is how they do it. 
 One moment at a time.  When it is time to grieve go ahead and loose it .  
There is no shame in tears.  If we live every minute dreading the death of a 
loved one we have no time for joy.  And we are all dying.  Everyone of us 
started dying the minute we took our first breathe.

Bless you and Sammy and his brothers.bless all the little ones 
and their best friends.





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
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Francis

   



   

Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Something else must be going on to cause her coma -- I just don't have any 
kitties who become coma and had FIP -Susan, are you aware of any relationship 
between FIP of symptoms of FIP causing coma in a FIP kitty?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:19 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  Well, she was treated with antibiotics (and interferon) but when he came in 
this morning and she was in a coma, he euthanized her.  I don't know anything 
about cats and comas and how likely they are to recover.  But if he felt she 
had a chance for recovery he would not have euthanized her. 

  Caroline appears to have recovered (knock on wood) and we STILL don't know 
what was/is wrong with her.  Of course if it is brain cancer she won't recover. 
 But for now she is doing ok.

   
  On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote: 
I'll be glad to look at it.  But even if the bloodwork looks like FIP -- I 
have a friend who had a rescue with bloodwork that screamed FIP yet the cat was 
treated with anitbiotics for infection and recovered fully.  FIP is so 
difficult to diagnose and sufficiently rare that you really have to assume it's 
something else and keep looking.  If you (or the vet) are too quick to  call it 
FIP and stop there, then you are likely to miss the real cause(s). 


Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: 
  I have not seen it yet, I can get them to fax it.  

  He was in surgery when I called.

  I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it.  

   
  On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote: 
What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie?  I would 
also ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if 
Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual 
FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me.. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Hoffman<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their 
lives).  There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is 
to do a necropsy.

  Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: 
She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like 
other cats much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this 
morning.  I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. 

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie?  I would also ask 
maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if Susan does 
not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual FIP kitties 
as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me.. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Hoffman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives).  
There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a 
necropsy.

  Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats 
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish 
I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing to say-- 
but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or something to Suzie 
by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie staying over night?  I 
am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in coma though, right?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I will 
ask.  I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and purring 
yesterday...


  On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote: 
I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's 
very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her 
blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but 
all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such 
a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values 
will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that 
with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by 
any chance? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  Belinda,

  I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest.  I still owe $200 on 
Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and 
quite frankly do not want to know.

  I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick 
and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the 
sick one.

  She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out.  I 
think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result.

  (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than 
generous...I am just venting..)

   
  On 6/28/07, Belinda < [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: 
 Kelley.
   I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had
longer with you.  Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP 
diagnosis?   I personally would to be sure that's what it was and
especially for peace of mind.  Maybe the vet would do it free of charge
or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he 
would be curious.

No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or
accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%.

--

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's very 
unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her blood 
work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but all her 
organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such a 
serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values will 
be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that with 
suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by any 
chance?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  Belinda,

  I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest.  I still owe $200 on 
Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and 
quite frankly do not want to know.

  I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and I 
have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the sick 
one.

  She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out.  I 
think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result.

  (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than generous...I 
am just venting..)

   
  On 6/28/07, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
 Kelley.
   I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had
longer with you.  Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP 
diagnosis?   I personally would to be sure that's what it was and
especially for peace of mind.  Maybe the vet would do it free of charge
or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he 
would be curious.

No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or
accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%.

--

Belinda
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I understand - I agree with you - it seems very very unusal - after you 
mentioned her age, I was skeptical of the idea that she had FIP -are you 
thinking of doing any further findings to see what caused her illness?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:44 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge


  I just really didn't think she had FIP...she was just 5...


  On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote: 
Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I wish you could have been 
there with her, too.  Please know that she is no longer in pain and free from 
the body which did not allow her to do all the things she wanted to do -- now 
she is free - nothing is going to prevent her from being happy and healthy 
again. 

Much love to you and Angel Suzie.

hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM
  Subject: Suzie crossed the bridge

   
  She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats 
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish 
I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. 

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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I wish you could have been there 
with her, too.  Please know that she is no longer in pain and free from the 
body which did not allow her to do all the things she wanted to do -- now she 
is free - nothing is going to prevent her from being happy and healthy again.

Much love to you and Angel Suzie.

hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk 
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM
  Subject: Suzie crossed the bridge


  She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats 
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish 
I had been there, but they said she was comatose..

  -- 
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

  http://www.rescuties.org

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

  Please help Caroline!

  http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

How about the food?  What do the eat? Was any of their food related to recall 
food?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:54 PM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the 
sheltr.  I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia.  I use 
bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets. 

  I try to use simple green when I think it will work.  

  The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5  year 
old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*.  3 of them were 
owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very friendly.  
A great staff favaprote at T:AC 

  I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system.

   
  On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
No decks or fences?  Here they tried to use treated wood (the new version) 
in the walls where it touched the concrete.  

Any insecticides?  Termite/roach/ants stuff?  Any cleaning solutions?  
Bleaches?  

I'm not picking at you.  Please don't think that.  I know of other cases 
where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many times 
we never find out what.  Consider that there appears to be an increase in 
cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now in our 
food, water, homes.   

If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her.  The ones I 
know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to 
science and the scientific method, just can't.  Mine have convinced me that 
even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats.  They have 
the ability to see as a cat.  It is much like baby-proofing a house.  You get 6 
inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc.   

You mentioned carpet.  Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is 
outgassing.  I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a 
scratching post (very good carpet remnant).  It has been on the porch rail for 
3 months outgassing.  Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it will never 
make it into the house again.  I am just trying to see how long it takes the 
odor to go away.   Again, I am not picking at you.  This awful set of events 
may be something entirely within the cars.  I had 2 unrelated female cats 
several months apart die.  I trapped them and had them spayed at different 
local vets.  One had every test done before she was spayed.  The other had just 
the basics done.  Both appeared extremely healthy.  Both were fine the night 
before they died but both died the third day.  I was so totally broken up that 
I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was going on.  Without an autopsy 
(animal version) no one could be sure but he couldn't come up with anything.  
One could easily have had undetected heart problems but both of them??? 
 All of this is to say that sometimes things just happen no matter how careful 
we are and, again, please don't think I am picking at youjust 
throwing out ideas/feelings in the hope that something might ring true with 
you.  You have been thru so much.  Maybe an angel will sit on your shoulder and 
whisper an answer.  That is my prayer for you. 





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

   
  I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, 
vinyl tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.  Where 
the ac flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... 


  On 6/27/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
They did until a couple of years ago and it is still available for some 
uses.  Two/three years ago, after it had been banned for use in houses, a 
dealer for BK Cypress Log Homes quoted me a package that contained arsenic 
treated lumber and, when I questioned him, sent me an awful email regarding the 
safety of this wood and how no person would eat it.  Tennessee Log Homes had a 
dealer who was very unhappy when I rejected some of his arguments re arsenic 
tre

Re: Suzie update

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

That's so frustrating, isn't it?  There really is no side effects from FOI - 
every day you wait is less chance that you have to save her lives -Kelley, let 
me know if you want me to ship mine - I know they are not cheap, but I want 
Suzi to have the opportunity to use it - you can bring her home soon as she has 
been on IV for a couple of days now and you can give her subq fluid to maintain 
hydration and you can give her FOI yourself at home - you don't need your vet 
to do so --- I have been giving FOI to over three dozens of my cats in the 
past.. no side effects other than sometimes, it will raise their temprature for 
a few hours, but it goes away... When you try, the corona titer goes down 
significantly very quicly with FOI -my simba's titer was 1:128,00 and in one 
week, it went down to 1:1200, but it was too late then, his liver and total 
bilrubin values were way too high to reverse it.  I also know of a woman who 
lost about 5 ot 6 kitties to FIP recenly, she also has been giving FOI to the 
remaining of her kitties with higher titer -- in 6 months all of them (about 6 
of them) are tested negative for corona titer and someone had very high titers 
-- please let me know if you want me to ship some to you..
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: Suzie update


  I am trying to talk him into the FOI..he is going to check out the study
  I can only find the abstract online..they want 30 dollars to read the
  whole thing..
  His comment was that since the FIP cats lived, and diagnosis of FIP
  can only be conclusively determined through necropsy, we can't be sure
  they had FIP.


  On 6/27/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote:
  >
  > I am glad that her temprature is up to normal as it's more scary to have
  > lower temprature than high temp - anemic kitties have tendency to be cold -
  > I would recommend that your vet put a low temp heating pad on her -- also
  > warm up a fluid that they are giving her as IV if they haven't already..
  >
  > - Original Message -
  > From: Kelley Saveika
  > To: felvtalk
  > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:00 AM
  > Subject: Suzie update
  >
  > Her fever is up to normal (she was cold yesterday) and she's a bit
  > more alert, but still very ill.
  >
  > He has her on a broadspectrum antibiotic and interferon (human, not feline).
  >
  > Anyone who wants to see her lab results let me know...I will email
  > them privately.
  >
  > --
  > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
  >
  > http://www.rescuties.org<http://www.rescuties.org/>
  >
  > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
  >
  > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20<http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20>
  >
  > Please help Caroline!
  >
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  >
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  >
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  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20<http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20>

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Re: Suzie update

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I am glad that her temprature is up to normal as it's more scary to have lower 
temprature than high temp - anemic kitties have tendency to be cold - I would 
recommend that your vet put a low temp heating pad on her -- also warm up a 
fluid that they are giving her as IV if they haven't already..
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:00 AM
  Subject: Suzie update


  Her fever is up to normal (she was cold yesterday) and she's a bit
  more alert, but still very ill.

  He has her on a broadspectrum antibiotic and interferon (human, not feline).

  Anyone who wants to see her lab results let me know...I will email
  them privately.

  -- 
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

  http://www.rescuties.org

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

  Please help Caroline!

  http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

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Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Also, there are lots and lots of other (treatable) illness which mimic many 
symptoms of FIP - swallone belly, weight loss, difficulty breathing alone are 
NOT enough to even assume that its' FIP - For example, if you have a kitty with 
liver disease, symptoms you will see is a very similar as you mentioned, my 
baby Garfunkle wh passed away a year and half ago, had lost lots of weight 
during the short period of time, and backbone sticking out, and his belly was 
swalloen with fluid, he lost appetie and difficult time breathing -- but it was 
not FIP, but liver disease.

  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 5:19 PM
  Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda


  no, ALL cats do NOT carry the corona virus. please get your facts straight 
before posting things. 


  On 6/25/07, Susan Dubose < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
Yes, it certainly sounds like wet FIP.

All cats carry the corona virus, which can morph into FIP.

It really just depends on genetics, age, (very young & older cats) and on 
extenuating circumstance like being felv+. (immune compromised)

There are 2 forms of FIP, the wet & the dry.

My first felv+ kitty, "Serenity", passed away from wet FIP.

Their belly begins to swell, to the point where it presses against their 
lungs and makes it hard for them to breath.

Their belly actually accumulates fluid, and the vet can withdraw some for 
testing.

Their backbone will become more prominent, also.

Eventually w/ their swollen belly, breathing becomes labored and they will 
begin to pant towards the end.

Also, you can watch their nostrils for a tiny "flare', another way to tell 
they cannot breath.

it is @ this time that you say good bye..  :(...

I had to take Serenity to the emergency room to be PTS on a Sat. night on 
Thanksgiving weekend.

Oh, it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do.

But you must remember, a compassionate & dignfied death is one of the best 
gifts you can give these cats.

There is no real test for FIP, w/ the exception of withdrawing the fluid 
fromt he belly for testing.

And w/ dry FIP you cannot even do this.

You can, however, have a necropacy (?) performed afterwards, however, if 
the cat is felv+, there is no point.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: C & J 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:53 PM 
  Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda


  Tomi may have had wet FIP at the end, I don't know, but he was very 
anemic as well.  For the last week, his belly was swollen, and he was eating 
and drinking alot, but still getting thinner.  Does that sound like FIP?  I 
don't know where he would get that from.  Not that it matters I suppose, 
because he just couldn't deal with the anemia by itself, nevermind FIP thrown 
in.

  Cassandra
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda


Hi Cassandra,

I am sorry to hear about your recent loses, losing 3 cats so close 
together must have been very hard on you.

Question, was Tomi's labored breathing & panting due to his felv+ 
morphing into wet FIP?

Susan
  - Original Message - 
  From: C & J 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM
  Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda


  I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband.  Tomi and I 
have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home.  My husband was 
out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day.  
There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't 
just leave him there.  I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 
cats, but Tomi quickly won me over.  I've had a very close bond with him ever 
since.

  He was very timid at first, hiding whenever 

Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I am so sorry about Tomi.  It's very difficult to know now if he had FIP or not 
- there are lots of other causes for swollen belly than FIP - if you had done 
some lab work, I can probably take a look at and see if it was possibily FIP or 
not as I lost 8 kitties to FIP, I am somewhat familiar with diagnosis from the 
lab work.  My guess is, if he was eating a lot towards his final days, it makes 
me doubt that it was FIP -- lots of FIP kitties become anaroxic and won't be 
able to eat.. but also there is an individual difference - so it's hard to 
tell.. this sounds terrible, but I did not notice that my Peter was even sick 
until three days before he passed away... and it was the same way for Olive and 
Simba-- it progressed that fast.. while others, we have the chance to fight 
together for a couple of months.  And 6 out of 8 kitties I lost to FIP did 
suffer moderate anemia which had become more severe as the disease progressed 
to liver or kidney or neurologically.

Hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: C & J 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 1:53 PM
  Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda


  Tomi may have had wet FIP at the end, I don't know, but he was very anemic as 
well.  For the last week, his belly was swollen, and he was eating and drinking 
alot, but still getting thinner.  Does that sound like FIP?  I don't know where 
he would get that from.  Not that it matters I suppose, because he just 
couldn't deal with the anemia by itself, nevermind FIP thrown in.

  Cassandra
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda


Hi Cassandra,

I am sorry to hear about your recent loses, losing 3 cats so close together 
must have been very hard on you.

Question, was Tomi's labored breathing & panting due to his felv+ morphing 
into wet FIP?

Susan
  - Original Message - 
  From: C & J 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM
  Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda


  I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband.  Tomi and I have 
had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home.  My husband was out 
walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day.  
There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't 
just leave him there.  I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 
cats, but Tomi quickly won me over.  I've had a very close bond with him ever 
since.

  He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or 
person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him 
home.  His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked 
like a question mark when it was straight up.  Tomi quickly came around though 
and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house.

  Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence 
when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes.  He 
never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and 
never got angry.

  3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was 
devastated.  I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed 
and I was sure he would die.  Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another 
good 8 weeks with him.  Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa 
(Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time 
with my Tomi as I would have liked.

  Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and 
crashed again with the anemia.  He was having a hard time breathing, and again 
he bounced back.  Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave 
him, and drank lots of water.  Yesterday, he started to crash again.

  Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, 
but his breathing was becoming more labored.  Then around noon, he began 
panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever.  He was so 
scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath.  This is absolutely the 
worse thing i've ever experienced.  

  A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone.  I guess i'll just 
wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn 
to numbness.

  Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this.  It 
looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over.

  Cassandra





No virus

Re: Question re treatment differences ?????

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

No they are all different -- you might want to read the felk group website as 
it explains different treatment there.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sheila Coyle 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:28 PM
  Subject: Question re treatment differences ?


  

  Is "immuno-reglan" or "interferon" and "rolferon" all the same thing

  ???

  Thank you.
  Sheila
  Nebraska
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Questions about FeLV treatments

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I do remember, Michlle Lerner who used to be on the list is a big supporter of 
immunoregulin - she has used for her felk kitties and she has seen it work as 
well.
  - Original Message - 
  From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:23 PM
  Subject: Re: Questions about FeLV treatments


   
  I have not used immunoregulin personally, I am a supporter of FOI -- I think 
the trick to use FOI is to use it BEFORE the kitty gets really sick.  I have 
been using for Felk, FIV and FIP kitties - I have seen good evidance of 
reducing activity of virus as it acts as anti vial agents.  it never hurts to 
try.. yes it's expensive.. but again, I have seen it works personally, so, I 
use it no matter who says what..
- Original Message - 
From: Belinda<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Questions about FeLV treatments


 Jane,
   Paolo has some experience with this as does Hideyo I think.  Paolo 
only checks in every once in a while so she may not see your message, 
Hideyo are you out there?

-- 

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com<http://bemikitties.com/>

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Re: Questions about FeLV treatments

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I have not used immunoregulin personally, I am a supporter of FOI -- I think 
the trick to use FOI is to use it BEFORE the kitty gets really sick.  I have 
been using for Felk, FIV and FIP kitties - I have seen good evidance of 
reducing activity of virus as it acts as anti vial agents.  it never hurts to 
try.. yes it's expensive.. but again, I have seen it works personally, so, I 
use it no matter who says what..
  - Original Message - 
  From: Belinda 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:06 PM
  Subject: Re: Questions about FeLV treatments


   Jane,
 Paolo has some experience with this as does Hideyo I think.  Paolo 
  only checks in every once in a while so she may not see your message, 
  Hideyo are you out there?

  -- 

  Belinda
  happiness is being owned by cats ...

  Be-Mi-Kitties
  http://bemikitties.com

  Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
  http://adopt.bemikitties.com

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Please help - miscarriage

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, one of my rescued kitties just have had miscarriage -- the vet told me to 
take her to the emergency if she has fever ---she has 104 fever, but she seems 
alert.. and I don't want to stress her by taking her to the emergency as I 
don't know what they can do for her anyway... if you have any experience, 
please let me know -- she is not bleeding anymore or does not have odor.. it's 
hot and breathing a bit fast.. 

Hideyo