Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[Peggy Verdonck]

I totally agree, but another side of the story...I got treated VERY bad by
shelter personnel  because I brought in a stray husky I found on the side of
the road! I knew they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because
I would never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like
that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least get off
the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again!
Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog in
danger!

On Aug 5, 2011 4:10 PM, "Lorrie"  wrote:
> This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see
> too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored
> glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and
> uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as
> disposable "things".
>
> Lorrie
>
>> On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
>
>> Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It
>> makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

[Peggy Verdonck]

When my cat Oreo ( a stray we took in without testing...stupid...I know!)
got diagnosed with felv I completely freaked out! She had been living among
our other 7 indoor cats for over a year! Played, groomed and sometimes got
into fights. Even the vet expected that at least 2 or 3 others would test
positive. All 7 cats are negative to this day! Speaking of miracles!

On Aug 12, 2011 10:31 PM, "Gloria B. Lane"  wrote:
> I just do not believe that FELV is that contagious. We know FIV isn't
> that contagious except thru deep bite wounds. I kind of think it's the
> same thing with FELV. I've had the same thing happen - had a kitty
> die, had a necropsy, and she had FELV/FIV. None of the other cats got
> it. I knew she was FIV, but didn't know about the FELV. Lived several
> years with those cats.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
>> dlgegg at windstream.net dlgegg at windstream.net
>> Fri Aug 12 17:04:43 CDT 2011
>> Maybe his immune system had improved since he first got FIV so he
>> was abl to ward off the felv.
>>  Natalie  wrote:
>> > That's one for the booksamazing!
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org
>> > [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> > molveywda at hotmail.com
>> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM
>> > To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
>> >
>> > Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me. He's
>> an older
>> > gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago. In March a two
>> year old cat
>> > of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV. She tested
>> > negative as a kitten. She and my FIV positive kitty lived
>> together sharing
>> > food and water bowls and everything. I think he used to groom her
>> too when
>> > she was a kitten. I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested
>> yesterday. Can
>> > you believe that booger is negative for FeLV? Talk about defying
>> the odds.
>> > Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not
>> contract the
>> > disease. You can't predict anything regarding this disease. I
>> just assumed
>> > he had gotten it from her.
>> >
>> > Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....

[Peggy Verdonck]

LOL :-)

On Aug 26, 2011 9:36 PM, "Beth"  wrote:
> that's an oldie but a goodie.
>
> Lynda Wilson  wrote:
>
>>Natalie, I have not had a laugh like that in a long time!!! Thanks so much
for sharing. You are way too funny girl! I love your sense of humor. Gotta
have it to keep your sanity, right?!
>>
>>Be safe! I hope your place does not sustain too much damage from Irene.
Keep us posted!
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Natalie
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:46 PM
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle
>>
>>
>> A Trip to Costco
>>
>> Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow
for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a
woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant?
So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I
didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I
probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that
I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes
coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms.
>>
>> I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that
it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat
one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so
it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that
practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified,
she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me.
I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit
me.
>>
>> I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was
laughing so hard.
>>
>> Costco won't let me shop there anymore.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

[Peggy Verdonck]

I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to
have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/

On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, "Beth"  wrote:
> Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about
declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt
an already declawed cat.
> I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just
end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education
is the best way to get people away from declawing.
>
>
> Beth
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>
>
>
> 
> From: tamara stickler 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
>
>
> I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT
- I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place
in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the
cat.
>
> I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from
a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip
the cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane -
even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is
allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing
to do that.
>
> Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an apt.
and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!
>
> Tamara
>
> --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:
>
>
>>From: Natalie 
>>Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>A question about which states do NOT allow declawing:
http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm
>>A list of countries where declawing is illegal:
http://www.declawing.com/list.html
>>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
>>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>
>>Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came
with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:
 "Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's
cruelty to animals."
>>
>>Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.
>>
>>And I'd do it again.
>>
>>I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.
>>
>>=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
>>- Original Message -
>>>From:Natalie
>>>To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM
>>>Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>>
>>>I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most
devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken
doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder
how a cat would feel if
>>>he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having
their paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat
that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain
that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and
cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have
a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a
woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug
was being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story
is heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will
scan it and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into
the gory details of declawing.
>>>Natalie
>>>
>>>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
>>>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
>>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>>
>>>Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email
program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
>>>
>>>I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to
death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw
them.  Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.
>>>On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>>>OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going
crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!
>>>There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are
declawed.I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing
everywhere instead of possibly

Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

[Peggy Verdonck]

My Elmo did not have felv but a rare auto immune disease. He had the same
symptoms as yours. Elmo had a very low red blood cell count (his body was
attacking his own) and needed a blood transfusion. This might help your cat
also and isn't very expensive.

On Sep 3, 2011 9:35 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:
> Also, Marcia, can you take him to another vet for a second opinion?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marcia Baronda" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
>
>
>> Hi everyone
>> I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well. I'm really
>> afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him back to the vet
>> yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of over 105. Bonier than what
he
>> was last week. She gave him a long lasting penicillin shot. She did
>> mention that most people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't
cry
>> all the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her the info

>> on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up when I left. I asked
>> just HOW sick is fletch and she said VERY. When I got him home he was
>> extremely off balance and couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day
>> before. His quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is
>> permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions from the
>> experts? (all of you)(-:
>>
>> Thanks so much
>> Marcia
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1  wrote:
>>
>>> Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses per vial?
>>> I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment check but
>>> want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Kat
>>>
>>> On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO  wrote:

 Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through a
distributor
 in
 Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor.




 From: drsiebl...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI


 Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few
 weeks
 of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have
 lived a
 bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer:
 www.tcyte.com -
 if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the
 vet. I
 was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is
 possible
 to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The
 other
 up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous
 injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection.
 The
 IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a
 sub-q
 injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each
 dose -
 something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow
 the
 inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with
 this
 stuff. Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and
 will give you all the info you need.

 -- My iPhone told me to send this message. --

 On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda 
 wrote:





 Hi everyone
 I really need some help.
 fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in
the
 basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i
 cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone

 and
 his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't
 know
 what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like
 the
 base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never
 seen
 such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi
isn't
 working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy
 bit of
 improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him
 to
 the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with
 my
 vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little
 cat is
 wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for
him
 What do I do
 Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK?

 Thanks so much
 Marcia


 On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
 
 wrote:



 Where do you guys get LTCI?
 the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used

 to
 have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where
is
 the
 best place to get LTCI?

 hideyo

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

[Peggy Verdonck]

I'm so sorry! I've been reading your thread. Sad to hear he didn't make :-(
RIP Fletch

On Sep 7, 2011 11:02 PM, "Marcia Baronda"  wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard
time breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we
didn't make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to
suffer like that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year
old. He was loved so very much during his short life.
>
> Thanks for all your help
> Marcia
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Shakespeare ( Shakesy) Please add to the CLS :*(

[Peggy Verdonck]

I'm so sorry! RIP Shakesy...you will be missed :-(

On Sep 10, 2011 11:08 AM, "Sherry DeHaan"  wrote:
> This world lost another wonderful boy yesterday...Shakesy was a former
Sids kid that won me ove with not only his beauty but his purrsonality as
well. This beautiful fluffy black and white boy would sit in front of me and
I would talk to him in a soft voice...Shakesy,Shakesy,Skakesy...he would
slowly tilt his head...then slowly reach out his beautiful paw and touch me
softly...ok tears are flowing now...that was our special bond. He got
adopted by Julie a wonderful cat mom and gave him a chance at a real home.
He will be missed so very much.
> Sherry
>
>
> "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
> than our own,
> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
> We still would have it no other way"
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[Felvtalk] clavamox

[Peggy Verdonck]

Hi,

This is the first email I'm sending out since 1 of my cats got diagnosed
with Felv yesterday.
We have 7 other cats but THANK GOD every single one of them tested negative
(snap/elisa).
We have to have them tested again in 6 months. Do I have to wait that long
or can we have them tested sooner?
We separated Oreo from the rest of the cats and disinfected everything. Oreo
will be lab tested again next week, just to make sure. I heard
false-positives are quit common.
Oreo got put on Clavamox 125 mg to fight the secondary infections. Is the
dosage not to high for a cat? I know that cats normally get 62.5 mg. She
threw up this morning after I gave it to her.
I will call the vet tomorrow and ask the vet about the dosage and if she can
maybe subscribe injections. I hate to have to fight with her every time I
have to give her her meds. Makes me feel so guilty to do this to her. She
has no clue why she has to sit in a seperate room by herself :-(
She also gets pet-tinic and viralys. What else can I do to help her fight of
this infection. She has a cold and a fever.

If she tests positive again next week, we are forced to find a new home for
her. Maybe somebody who has no other cats, or someone who has 1 or more cats
with the same condition. I was wondering if anyone knows of anybody who
might be able to take her. We are willing to help pay for the medications
she might need.
She is such a sweet cat and I'm heart broken about this situations! My cats
are my everything!

Thanks,

Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] clavamox

[Peggy Verdonck]

Hi Lisa and Natalie,

This type of clavomox is actually the 125 mg pill kind. I like the liquid
better, but I really hope to get an injection type of antibiotics next time.
She seemed to keep it down this evening, but she is not doing so good
overall. Still won't eat and hides under the bed. I can tell by looking at
her bowl that she does drink water, so at least that's good.

I still can't believe that all the other cats tested negative!! That was
such a relief.  I hope Oreo's test was a false positive. That would be
another miracle!

I will talk to the vet about switching antibiotics and dosage. I'm al little
worried because she really needs the help to get rid of this infection. I
hope it's not to late.

Lisa, I live in Alabama.

Peggy


2010/11/3 Lisa Ogg 

> Hi Peggy,
>
> We had a feline leukemia outbreak in January and lost a 1 1/2 year old cat,
> 4 kittens (about 6 months old)  and the believed "culprit" is the sweetest
> cat you ever wanted to meet.   She is a carrier and may live a long live and
> shows absolutely no symptoms (tested positive twice).   Anyway, there was
> another 1 year old cat exposed and she tested a light positive (again not
> showing any signs).  She was given a vacinnation at the time and sent home.
> I had her tested again (although we were sure she had it) the end of
> September (as we thought she might be showing some symptoms) and she tested
> negative on both testing ways.   They gave her a booster shot yesterday and
> she is to be tested again the end of December.   They feel that if she
> doesn't show signs then, she should be out of the woods.
>
> Just out of curiousity, what area do you live in?
>
> Lisa in PA
>
> - Original Message - From: "Peggy Verdonck" <
> jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com>
> To: 
>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 7:44 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] clavamox
>
>
>   Hi,
>>
>> This is the first email I'm sending out since 1 of my cats got diagnosed
>> with Felv yesterday.
>> We have 7 other cats but THANK GOD every single one of them tested
>> negative
>> (snap/elisa).
>> We have to have them tested again in 6 months. Do I have to wait that long
>> or can we have them tested sooner?
>> We separated Oreo from the rest of the cats and disinfected everything.
>> Oreo
>> will be lab tested again next week, just to make sure. I heard
>> false-positives are quit common.
>> Oreo got put on Clavamox 125 mg to fight the secondary infections. Is the
>> dosage not to high for a cat? I know that cats normally get 62.5 mg. She
>> threw up this morning after I gave it to her.
>> I will call the vet tomorrow and ask the vet about the dosage and if she
>> can
>> maybe subscribe injections. I hate to have to fight with her every time I
>> have to give her her meds. Makes me feel so guilty to do this to her. She
>> has no clue why she has to sit in a seperate room by herself :-(
>> She also gets pet-tinic and viralys. What else can I do to help her fight
>> of
>> this infection. She has a cold and a fever.
>>
>> If she tests positive again next week, we are forced to find a new home
>> for
>> her. Maybe somebody who has no other cats, or someone who has 1 or more
>> cats
>> with the same condition. I was wondering if anyone knows of anybody who
>> might be able to take her. We are willing to help pay for the medications
>> she might need.
>> She is such a sweet cat and I'm heart broken about this situations! My
>> cats
>> are my everything!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] clavamox

[Peggy Verdonck]

Natalie: Thats true! I had cats spit the liquid all out. If I can get the
pill down in her throat well enough I know she took all of the necessary
dosage.
She threw up once after it, but ever since she keeps it down.

Gary: I can't get her to eat yet, so I can't mix it in her food. That would
be a lot less stress for both of us. I tried everything but she doesn't want
it. Luckely I did see her drink water this morning.
I will call the vet today and question the dosage. It seems a lot to me. But
she is very sick, maybe she needs it

Thanks for all the advice!




2010/11/4 Natalie 

> I always use the liquid because it's easier to administer.  Once in a
> while,
> we get the pills for ferals to be mixed into food -- less taste in a pill
> than a whole eyedropper of pineapple-tasting oral suspension.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:52 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] clavamox
>
> Normal dosage for that would be half that pill twice a day.  If you can get
> her to eat, just crush it in wet food.  You can also crush the pills and
> add
>
> them to a liquid and use a syringe (no needle) or a measured dropper.  Mix
> each pill with one or two ml of liquid (2 ml liquid means one ml twice a
> day, one ml liquid means .5 ml twice a day.  Must keep refrigerated and
> shake very well before each use.  You could use the petinic as the liquid.
>
> Gary
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:20 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] clavamox
>
> > Hi Lisa and Natalie,
> >
> > This type of clavomox is actually the 125 mg pill kind. I like the liquid
> > better, but I really hope to get an injection type of antibiotics next
> > time.
> > She seemed to keep it down this evening, but she is not doing so good
> > overall. Still won't eat and hides under the bed. I can tell by looking
> at
> > her bowl that she does drink water, so at least that's good.
> >
> > I still can't believe that all the other cats tested negative!! That was
> > such a relief.  I hope Oreo's test was a false positive. That would be
> > another miracle!
> >
> > I will talk to the vet about switching antibiotics and dosage. I'm al
> > little
> > worried because she really needs the help to get rid of this infection. I
> > hope it's not to late.
> >
> > Lisa, I live in Alabama.
> >
> > Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :(

[Peggy Verdonck]

I'm sorry to hear about GM. What a cool name he had!

We are fighting for the life of our Oreo right now. Hope we can turn her
back around and give a few more weeks, months, hopefully years.

Peggy

2010/11/6 Natalie 

> I am so sorry about GM - I had  Diesel a few years ago - new owners changed
> it to Tigger.Natalie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 6:50 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :(
>
> Sherry, so saddened to read that GM has crossed the Rainbow Bridge.  What a
> great name.  He sounds like a wonderful fella.
> Thank you for everything you do for these special kitties.
> Sharyl
>
> --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Sherry DeHaan  wrote:
>
> > From: Sherry DeHaan 
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :(
> > To: "Felvtalk" 
> > Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 10:08 PM
> > We lost another sweet Sids kid
> > today.General Motor got his name because of the loud purr he
> > always had for us...we will miss you GM  :(
> > Sherry
> >
> >
> > "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more
> > temporary
> > than our own,
> > Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> > Unable to accept its awful gaps.
> > We still would have it no other way"
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage

[Peggy Verdonck]

Hi Natalie,

Could this tonic work on a cancerous behavior of Felv or just tumors?

Peggy

2010/11/6 Natalie 

> This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders
> brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is
> perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being
> used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for
> people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external
> cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells.
> Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek
> and
> jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because
> the
> adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat
> (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer).
> However, his remaining time was great quality of life!
> Natalie
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle
> Brockman
>  Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
>
>
> Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and
> don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I
> have
> seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not
> saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general.
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400
> > From: at...@optonline.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
> >
> > Stacey and Spanky,
> >
> > Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste
> great,
> > but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help
> with
> > this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it
> hasn't
> > been tried for that yet. Natalie
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle
> Brockman
> > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:28 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
> >
> > One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids
> and
> > instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine
> as
> > long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of
> course
> > not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so
> > before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar.
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?

[Peggy Verdonck]

I'm sorry to hear about your cat! You have done all you can. I'm struggling
with trying to get a cat to eat right now myself. I'm force feeding her with
AD now. A couple of syringes at a time.

The Felv virus can only survive a couple of hours, but there are other
bacterias of secondary infections Felv cats can suffer from that can still
be around in the house and on the things your cat used.
My vet told me to disinfect everything you can wash and wipe down (like
bowls, litter boxes and blankets) with a bleach and water dilutions. All the
things I couldn't wash or wipe down (like the cat tree) I sprayed with
Lysol, several times.
But just to make sure I would wait several weeks before you give it someone
else.

2010/11/7 Laura Svoboda 

> Hello,
>
> I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone
> through
> yet so my post was rejected.  I was asking for suggestions on how to get my
> FLV
> cat, Chloe, to eat.  Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday morning.
>  I
> wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started feeling
> droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast.
>  Anyway,
> can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat
> tunnel,
> litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home?  I have read
> that
> the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read that a
> person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home -
> leaving
> me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the virus on
> them
> to get other cats sick.  That is the last thing I'd want.  Does anyone have
> any
> suggestions?
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Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?

[Peggy Verdonck]

That's not true. Cats can contract it even when their immuun system is
strong. They just don't get sick from right away. So healthy cats can also
get it. I would be very carefull with the things your cat used!

2010/11/7 Gloria Lane 

> Im so aorry for your loss.  My vet said the virus lasts only a short while
> outside the body, a minute or so.  Healthy adult cats have good immunity to
> it anyhow.   I have lost several felv cats, and never do any extraordinary
> cleaning or waiting when they pass away.  In my opinion don't worry about
> it.
>
> Gloria
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Laura Svoboda  wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone
> through
> > yet so my post was rejected.  I was asking for suggestions on how to get
> my FLV
> > cat, Chloe, to eat.  Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday morning.
>  I
> > wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started
> feeling
> > droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast.
>  Anyway,
> > can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat
> tunnel,
> > litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home?  I have
> read that
> > the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read that
> a
> > person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home -
> leaving
> > me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the virus
> on them
> > to get other cats sick.  That is the last thing I'd want.  Does anyone
> have any
> > suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?

[Peggy Verdonck]

I am not talking about discarding anything! I was talking about disinfecting
everything properly before using it for other cats! Yes, the virus needs a
host but it does survive outside the body for a couple of hours, not even
mentioning the secondary bacterial, viral and fungal infections a Felv cats
can suffer from!
Why would you not be extra cautious for your other, or somebody elses cats!

2010/11/8 Beth 

> It's true that healthy cats can get it, but since it needs a host to
> survive & does not last outside the body, there is no need to start throwing
> things out. Fears like this are what make people so scared of FeLV cats &
> why vets routinely euthanize them. I would never discard something just
> because an FeLV cat used it.
> Beth
> Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/>
>
> --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Peggy Verdonck  wrote:
>
> From: Peggy Verdonck 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 9:01 AM
>
> That's not true. Cats can contract it even when their immuun system is
> strong. They just don't get sick from right away. So healthy cats can also
> get it. I would be very carefull with the things your cat used!
>
> 2010/11/7 Gloria Lane 
>
> > Im so aorry for your loss.  My vet said the virus lasts only a short
> while
> > outside the body, a minute or so.  Healthy adult cats have good immunity
> to
> > it anyhow.   I have lost several felv cats, and never do any
> extraordinary
> > cleaning or waiting when they pass away.  In my opinion don't worry about
> > it.
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Laura Svoboda  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone
> > through
> > > yet so my post was rejected.  I was asking for suggestions on how to
> get
> > my FLV
> > > cat, Chloe, to eat.  Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday
> morning.
> >  I
> > > wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started
> > feeling
> > > droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast.
> >  Anyway,
> > > can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat
> > tunnel,
> > > litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home?  I have
> > read that
> > > the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read
> that
> > a
> > > person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home -
> > leaving
> > > me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the
> virus
> > on them
> > > to get other cats sick.  That is the last thing I'd want.  Does anyone
> > have any
> > > suggestions?
> > >
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[Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

[Peggy Verdonck]

About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She
went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later.
She was suffering!
We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same
day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with
Oreo for almost a year!
To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while.

The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found
him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take
him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold.
He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest.
My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him
tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into
the group in about 2 weeks.
Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that
there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing!

We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to
be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else.

Thanks for your thoughts!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

[Peggy Verdonck]

For now the kitten is seperated from all the others. Only if kitten is
negative on the test and vaccinated, we will integrate after 2 weeks (if we
decide to keep him).

I clean litter boxes every day and they all have their own food bowl. They
get fed twice a day. I can't leave food out because of some will keep
eating.
Thanks on your input! :-)
2010/12/8 Joslin Potter 

> I would call your vet, but i don't see why it would be a problem, just
> remember
> kittens immune systems are not as strong as your older cats, make sure you
> are
> keeping the water dishes, litter boxes and such clean... congrats on your
> new
> addition!
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
>
> About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She
> went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later.
> She was suffering!
> We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the
> same
> day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with
> Oreo for almost a year!
> To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while.
>
> The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening.
> Found
> him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take
> him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold.
> He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest.
> My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him
> tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into
> the group in about 2 weeks.
> Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that
> there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing!
>
> We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to
> be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!
>
> Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

[Peggy Verdonck]

He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his body
parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that.

What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay?

I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription and I
will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an email,
and waiting on her answer!

Thanks for your input!



2010/12/8 Natalie 

> It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can have
> false results.
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
>
>  About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She
> went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later.
> She was suffering!
> We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the
> same
> day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with
> Oreo for almost a year!
> To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while.
>
> The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening.
> Found
> him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take
> him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold.
> He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest.
> My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him
> tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into
> the group in about 2 weeks.
> Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that
> there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing!
>
> We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to
> be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!
>
> Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

[Peggy Verdonck]

Well, yes we had a felv positive cat, but it was in our current group of
cats, who are all negative so far. They need to be tested again (since our
vet adviced us to do that in a couple of months, to make a 100% sure).


2010/12/8 Gloria B. Lane 

> Since all your other cats are negative, I would not hesitate to start a
> process of integrating into the household. I assume you're asking since you
> once had an FELV positive at one time, but as I understand that virus is
> very fragile and doesn't survive long outside the body.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Peggy Verdonck wrote:
>
>   About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv.
>> She
>> went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week
>> later.
>> She was suffering!
>> We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the
>> same
>> day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with
>> Oreo for almost a year!
>> To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while.
>>
>> The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening.
>> Found
>> him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take
>> him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold.
>> He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest.
>> My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him
>> tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into
>> the group in about 2 weeks.
>> Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance
>> that
>> there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing!
>>
>> We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears
>> to
>> be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts!
>>
>> Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats

[Peggy Verdonck]

Rabies is not necessary on indoor cats, but it's required by law in your
state.

I would get a second opinion on vaccinating your cats on a regular basis,
other then rabies, because even you can bring in a disease that can make
your cat sick. Especially cats who are Felv + need their yearly booster to
prevent them from getting sick. They might not be able to fight a simple
infection, because of their weak immune system.





2010/12/8 Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry 

> Thanks Everyone.  I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended over
> vaccinating.  Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in our
> state,
> we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and prior) as
> they
> are indoor cats only.  It's part of the struggle with figuring out what to
> do.
>
>
> Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't opening as
> much
> as the other one.  So we need to keep a watch on that for her as I've also
> heard
> treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life.
>
> Thanks again.
> Stephanie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats

[Peggy Verdonck]

I agree on the Rabies, but not on the FVRCP. Of course a cat that is sick at
the moment, shouldn't be vaccinated (no vet will do that), but my vet
told me that healthy cats (even Felv+ with no problems at that moment)
should be vaccinated annualy. Rather prevent a infection then a Felv+ cat
that cannot fight the infection.

2010/12/8 Natalie 

> According to my vet, cats with compromised immune systems should NOT be
> vaccinated; he also refuses to vaccinate cats that are sick and/or running
> a
> feverSince the FVRCP should last a lifetime, and rabies cannot be
> brought into the house, I would seriously think about not doing it.
> If a cat doesn't go outside, even if the state requires rabies vaccines,
> you
> don't have to do it (they don't knoow that you have a cat) - unless you
> operate a rescue facility as I do.
>  -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative
> Cats
>
> Rabies is not necessary on indoor cats, but it's required by law in your
> state.
>
> I would get a second opinion on vaccinating your cats on a regular basis,
> other then rabies, because even you can bring in a disease that can make
> your cat sick. Especially cats who are Felv + need their yearly booster to
> prevent them from getting sick. They might not be able to fight a simple
> infection, because of their weak immune system.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2010/12/8 Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry 
>
> > Thanks Everyone.  I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended over
> > vaccinating.  Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in our
> > state,
> > we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and prior)
> as
> > they
> > are indoor cats only.  It's part of the struggle with figuring out what
> to
> > do.
> >
> >
> > Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't opening
> as
> > much
> > as the other one.  So we need to keep a watch on that for her as I've
> also
> > heard
> > treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> > Stephanie
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

[Peggy Verdonck]

My other cats are all negative!

But if kittens test is negative now, then he is negative right?  I know
about false positives being common, but not false negatives.

What kind of risks do you mean by using the Felv vaccine?

Thanks for your time!

Peggy

2010/12/8 Natalie 

> You can test at any age, the question is whether the test result will be
> correct, or a false positive...
> If you can keep him isolated in your bathroom (the best isolation ward at
> our house) until he is over 3 months old, test result efficacy improves.
> Are your other cats negative or positive for FIV/FeLV?
> If they are negative, and kitten proves to be negative - don't use FeLV
> vaccine unnecessarily (they, too, pose risks and, as all vaccines, are only
> 80% effective)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:40 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
>
> He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his body
> parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that.
>
> What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay?
>
> I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription and
> I
> will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an
> email,
> and waiting on her answer!
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
>
>
> 2010/12/8 Natalie 
>
> > It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can
> have
> > false results.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
> >
> >  About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv.
> She
> > went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week
> later.
> > She was suffering!
> > We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the
> > same
> > day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with
> > Oreo for almost a year!
> > To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while.
> >
> > The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening.
> > Found
> > him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to
> take
> > him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold.
> > He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest.
> > My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him
> > tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate
> into
> > the group in about 2 weeks.
> > Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance
> that
> > there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing!
> >
> > We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears
> to
> > be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts!
> >
> > Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats

[Peggy Verdonck]

Mmmm, now I'm thinking about it...i went to a different vet a couple of
years ago and my Davos received a 3-year vaccine. I thought he did that
because Davos has a chronic one sided sinus infection. Didn't know they are
availble for all cats. But I guess it depends on what kind/type/brand of
vaccine you use?

2010/12/8 Natalie 

> The new protocol from the Veterinary Association (I have it) came around
> quite a few years ago that it shouldn't be done every year, but every three
> years.  And that's exactly what I mean, vets don't even know that?  It's
> disappointing.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck
>  Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:19 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative
> Cats
>
> I agree on the Rabies, but not on the FVRCP. Of course a cat that is sick
> at
> the moment, shouldn't be vaccinated (no vet will do that), but my vet
> told me that healthy cats (even Felv+ with no problems at that moment)
> should be vaccinated annualy. Rather prevent a infection then a Felv+ cat
> that cannot fight the infection.
>
> 2010/12/8 Natalie 
>
> > According to my vet, cats with compromised immune systems should NOT be
> > vaccinated; he also refuses to vaccinate cats that are sick and/or
> running
> > a
> > feverSince the FVRCP should last a lifetime, and rabies cannot be
> > brought into the house, I would seriously think about not doing it.
> > If a cat doesn't go outside, even if the state requires rabies vaccines,
> > you
> > don't have to do it (they don't knoow that you have a cat) - unless you
> > operate a rescue facility as I do.
> >  -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:04 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative
> > Cats
> >
> > Rabies is not necessary on indoor cats, but it's required by law in your
> > state.
> >
> > I would get a second opinion on vaccinating your cats on a regular basis,
> > other then rabies, because even you can bring in a disease that can make
> > your cat sick. Especially cats who are Felv + need their yearly booster
> to
> > prevent them from getting sick. They might not be able to fight a simple
> > infection, because of their weak immune system.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2010/12/8 Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry 
> >
> > > Thanks Everyone.  I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended
> over
> > > vaccinating.  Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in our
> > > state,
> > > we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and
> prior)
> > as
> > > they
> > > are indoor cats only.  It's part of the struggle with figuring out what
> > to
> > > do.
> > >
> > >
> > > Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't opening
> > as
> > > much
> > > as the other one.  So we need to keep a watch on that for her as I've
> > also
> > > heard
> > > treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life.
> > >
> > > Thanks again.
> > > Stephanie
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

[Peggy Verdonck]

I understand and I'm very aware of that. I guess I just want this kitten to
have a good home but it might not be with us.
I lost 3 cats in this past year (only one to Felv) and I am just so ready
for something positive to happen in this household. A new kitten is such a
joy, but maybe not under these circumstances. It is to soon I'm afraid.
Still waiting to hear back from my vet, and then I will make my final
decision on what to do with this kitten.

My other cats were exposed to my Felv+ cat (we just didn't know, until she
got sick) for almost a year and every single one of them tested negative in
the first test.

2010/12/8 Melinda Kerr 

> My cat tested negative at 6 weeks old. She did not go out until she was 8
> months old. Even then she rarely if ever came in contact with another cat.
> She was only out for very short periods close by the house. She never came
> home showing signs of a fight.
>
> Looking back at her medical history, including a fairly severe virus when
> she came to us, the vet believes she got it from her mother.
>
> So yes, it is possible for a young kitten to test negative. It is also
> possible to test negative shortly after exposure. That is why they recommend
> retesting even for negatives.
>
> Melinda, Fuji, and Voodoo
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Peggy Verdonck 
> wrote:
>
> > My other cats are all negative!
> >
> > But if kittens test is negative now, then he is negative right?  I know
> > about false positives being common, but not false negatives.
> >
> > What kind of risks do you mean by using the Felv vaccine?
> >
> > Thanks for your time!
> >
> > Peggy
> >
> > 2010/12/8 Natalie 
> >
> >> You can test at any age, the question is whether the test result will be
> >> correct, or a false positive...
> >> If you can keep him isolated in your bathroom (the best isolation ward
> at
> >> our house) until he is over 3 months old, test result efficacy improves.
> >> Are your other cats negative or positive for FIV/FeLV?
> >> If they are negative, and kitten proves to be negative - don't use FeLV
> >> vaccine unnecessarily (they, too, pose risks and, as all vaccines, are
> only
> >> 80% effective)
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy
> Verdonck
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:40 PM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
> >>
> >> He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his body
> >> parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that.
> >>
> >> What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay?
> >>
> >> I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription
> and
> >> I
> >> will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an
> >> email,
> >> and waiting on her answer!
> >>
> >> Thanks for your input!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2010/12/8 Natalie 
> >>
> >>> It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can
> >> have
> >>> false results.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy
> Verdonck
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
> >>>
> >>> About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv.
> >> She
> >>> went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week
> >> later.
> >>> She was suffering!
> >>> We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the
> >>> same
> >>> day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living
> with
> >>> Oreo for almost a year!
> >>> To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while.
> >>>
> >>> The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening.
> >>> Found
> >>> him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to
> >> take
> >>> him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold.
> >>> He is now warm and safe in

Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

[Peggy Verdonck]

Yes, and that there is no rule makes it so hard for me. Basicly if you know
that it can go both ways, you can't really add another cat to your household
because every negative can turn positive at one point. This disease is just
very complicated.

We got a good scare over this one cat turning out being + after living with
our other indoor cats for almost a year. All our other cats turned out to be
negative.
We can't keep this poor kitten isolated for a couple of months untill
everybody has been tested twice, that's why I thought to have the kitten
tested and if negative, vaccinate against Felv.
But to be honest to myself, the kitten needs to be tested twice also to make
sure our other cats will be safe and not just him.

2010/12/8 Heather Wienker 

> Hi Peggy,
>
> Here is an example, when I rescued a double positive Mama and her kittens,
> at first (6 weeks old, and pulled from Mom at that point) 2 tested double
> positive, the other two positive for Fiv only. A vet and another rescuer
> told me that with kittens from an felv+ Mom sometimes they will teat
> negative at first but then 'go positive'-which unfortunatelybdid happen in
> this case. The ones that initially tested + for fiv only, did go on to test
> + for felv ( but all cleared the fiv) on multiple tests.  All of her kittens
> succumbed by 6 months to just over a year of age, but 3.5 years later, Mama
> is still going.
>
> There is no "rule" I don't think, this is just an example of how a kitten
> can test negative then turn out to be felv+ after all.  And the opposite can
> happen as well!
>
> Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Melinda Kerr  wrote:
>
> My cat tested negative at 6 weeks old. She did not go out until she was 8
>> months old. Even then she rarely if ever came in contact with another cat.
>> She was only out for very short periods close by the house. She never came
>> home showing signs of a fight.
>>
>> Looking back at her medical history, including a fairly severe virus when
>> she came to us, the vet believes she got it from her mother.
>>
>> So yes, it is possible for a young kitten to test negative. It is also
>> possible to test negative shortly after exposure. That is why they recommend
>> retesting even for negatives.
>>
>> Melinda, Fuji, and Voodoo
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Peggy Verdonck 
>> wrote:
>>
>> My other cats are all negative!
>>>
>>> But if kittens test is negative now, then he is negative right?  I know
>>> about false positives being common, but not false negatives.
>>>
>>> What kind of risks do you mean by using the Felv vaccine?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>
>>> Peggy
>>>
>>> 2010/12/8 Natalie 
>>>
>>> You can test at any age, the question is whether the test result will be
>>>> correct, or a false positive...
>>>> If you can keep him isolated in your bathroom (the best isolation ward
>>>> at
>>>> our house) until he is over 3 months old, test result efficacy improves.
>>>> Are your other cats negative or positive for FIV/FeLV?
>>>> If they are negative, and kitten proves to be negative - don't use FeLV
>>>> vaccine unnecessarily (they, too, pose risks and, as all vaccines, are
>>>> only
>>>> 80% effective)
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy
>>>> Verdonck
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:40 PM
>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
>>>>
>>>> He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his body
>>>> parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay?
>>>>
>>>> I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription
>>>> and
>>>> I
>>>> will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an
>>>> email,
>>>> and waiting on her answer!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your input!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/12/8 Natalie 
>>>>
>>>> It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can
>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>&

Re: [Felvtalk] Insight Please

[Peggy Verdonck]

I don't think that's possible. The kittens can get it through the placenta
and milk of their mom, not the sperm of their father. Unles they had close
contact with their father but that's not very likely with stray kittens.
Males often don't want anything to do with their off spring.

I have read A LOT about Felv on the internet lately. It's possible that the
kittens who are negative have the virus, but it is hiding and not
detectable. Some will always stay negative, some will turn positive at some
point. Some will eliminate the virus completely and will never get sick.
This disease is very complicated with more then 1 out come!

2010/12/11 Sharyl 

> Kittens can have have different fathers but the same mother.  Perhaps the
> father was positive.
> Sharyl
>
> --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Marnie  wrote:
>
> > From: Marnie 
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Insight Please
> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 12:52 AM
>  > My shelter just took in a litter of 5
> > kittens. They are about 8 weeks old. The 3 females tested
> > possible for feline leukemia with the Idexx snap test and
> > the 2 males were negative. We retested from another batch of
> > tests and the same thing. How is this possible if they are
> > all from the same mother? Can anyone shed some light on this
> > please?
> > Marnie
> >
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[Felvtalk] Neutering males

[Peggy Verdonck]

Hi,

Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at
a gas station).
We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.

Thanks for any replies,

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

[Peggy Verdonck]

I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will also
call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young kitten
like that vaccinated against Felv?

2010/12/27 

>  Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight
> of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds.
> They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under.
> All are tested for the viral diseases.
>
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> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
>
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>
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> From: 
> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
>
> I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or
> not.
> Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.
> In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be
> done!
> So this would be a good time to do it.
>
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> Terrie Mohr-Forker
> http://tazzys.org/
> Non-Profit national rescue
> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
>
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>
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> From: Peggy Verdonck 
> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> Hi,
>
> Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at
> a gas station).
> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
> neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.
>
> Thanks for any replies,
>
> Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

[Peggy Verdonck]

I guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!!

2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck 

> I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will also
> call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young kitten
> like that vaccinated against Felv?
>
> 2010/12/27 
>
>  Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight
>> of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds.
>> They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under.
>> All are tested for the viral diseases.
>>
>> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
>> Sultan, WA. 98294
>> Terrie Mohr-Forker
>> http://tazzys.org/
>> Non-Profit national rescue
>> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
>>
>> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
>> From: 
>> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>
>>
>> I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or
>> not.
>> Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.
>> In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be
>> done!
>> So this would be a good time to do it.
>>
>> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
>> Sultan, WA. 98294
>> Terrie Mohr-Forker
>> http://tazzys.org/
>> Non-Profit national rescue
>> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
>>
>> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Original Message 
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
>> From: Peggy Verdonck 
>> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
>> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him
>> at
>> a gas station).
>> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
>> neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
>> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.
>>
>> Thanks for any replies,
>>
>> Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

[Peggy Verdonck]

Yes, he is a big boy! We found him at a gas station about 3 weeks ago. He
was a little skinny but not bad. The people from the gas station put food
out for him.
We had to trap him because he was completely wild and feral. And
now...the sweetest kittens you can imagine!!
He is still separated from the other cats because I don't want to take the
risk. We had a good scare earlier this year. Our other cats still have to go
for their second round of testing.
Fingers crossed!

2010/12/27 

>  LOL...guess he is good to go for his neutering!
> Big boy!
>
> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> Sultan, WA. 98294
> Terrie Mohr-Forker
> http://tazzys.org/
> Non-Profit national rescue
> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
>
> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
>
>
>
>   Original Message ----
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> From: Peggy Verdonck 
> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:57 am
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> I guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!!
>
>  2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck 
>
> > I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will
> also
> > call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young
> kitten
> > like that vaccinated against Felv?
> >
> > 2010/12/27 
> >
> > Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight
> >> of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds.
> >> They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under.
> >> All are tested for the viral diseases.
> >>
> >> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> >> Sultan, WA. 98294
> >> Terrie Mohr-Forker
> >> http://tazzys.org/
> >> Non-Profit national rescue
> >> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
> >>
> >> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  Original Message 
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> >> From: 
> >> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>
> >>
> >> I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or
> >> not.
> >> Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.
> >> In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be
> >> done!
> >> So this would be a good time to do it.
> >>
> >> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> >> Sultan, WA. 98294
> >> Terrie Mohr-Forker
> >> http://tazzys.org/
> >> Non-Profit national rescue
> >> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
> >>
> >> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  Original Message 
> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> >> From: Peggy Verdonck 
> >> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
> >> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him
> >> at
> >> a gas station).
> >> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
> >> neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
> >> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing
> already.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any replies,
> >>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

[Peggy Verdonck]

Thank you! :-)

2010/12/27 

>  All fingers and paws crossed here for the boy!
> Good luck!
>
> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
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> Terrie Mohr-Forker
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> Non-Profit national rescue
> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
>
> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
>
>
>
>   Original Message ----
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> From: Peggy Verdonck 
>  Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 9:22 am
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> Yes, he is a big boy! We found him at a gas station about 3 weeks ago. He
> was a little skinny but not bad. The people from the gas station put food
> out for him.
> We had to trap him because he was completely wild and feral. And
> now...the sweetest kittens you can imagine!!
> He is still separated from the other cats because I don't want to take the
> risk. We had a good scare earlier this year. Our other cats still have to
> go
> for their second round of testing.
> Fingers crossed!
>
> 2010/12/27 
>
> > LOL...guess he is good to go for his neutering!
> > Big boy!
> >
> > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> > Sultan, WA. 98294
> > Terrie Mohr-Forker
> > http://tazzys.org/
> > Non-Profit national rescue
> > Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
> >
> > Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
> >
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> > From: Peggy Verdonck 
> > Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:57 am
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >
> > I guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!!
> >
> > 2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck 
> >
> > > I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will
> > also
> > > call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young
> > kitten
> > > like that vaccinated against Felv?
> > >
> > > 2010/12/27 
> > >
> > > Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest
> weight
> > >> of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds.
> > >> They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under.
> > >> All are tested for the viral diseases.
> > >>
> > >> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> > >> Sultan, WA. 98294
> > >> Terrie Mohr-Forker
> > >> http://tazzys.org/
> > >> Non-Profit national rescue
> > >> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
> > >>
> > >> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Original Message 
> > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> > >> From: 
> > >> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am
> > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral
> or
> > >> not.
> > >> Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.
> > >> In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be
> > >> done!
> > >> So this would be a good time to do it.
> > >>
> > >> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> > >> Sultan, WA. 98294
> > >> Terrie Mohr-Forker
> > >> http://tazzys.org/
> > >> Non-Profit national rescue
> > >> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
> > >>
> > >> Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Original Message 
> > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> > >> From: Peggy Verdonck 
> > >> Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am
> > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
> > >> neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found
> him
> > >> at
> > >> a gas station).
> > >> We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
> > >> neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
> > >> He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing
> > already.
> > >

Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

[Peggy Verdonck]

Wow, I went outside for a little bit to ride one of our horses.bunches
of new replies :-)

All our other cats were around 9 months old when spayed or neutered. I'm
from the Netherlands and there are not many vets that will do it earlier
then that. I've been reading and listening to the pros and cons to
early/late neutering and spaying, but there are just as many pros as cons in
either of them. I even lean towards early, because a kitten bounces back a
lot quicker then an older cat.
I've personally made up my mind that it is better to neuter young, but not
at like 3 weeks old or so. I don't think much can go wrong with a male. If a
vet messes that up, he needs to go back to school. With females I would wait
till older. It is a lot harder on them because they actually get opened up
and have all their female organs removed..
With my first question I was just wondering at what age most people have
their male kittens neutered. Didn't even think about the weight of the
kitten...makes a lot more sense!

Thanks for the all the replies!

2010/12/27 Susan Hoffman 

> Unfortunately that has been the experience of too many people.  Even with a
> contract and a spay/neuter deposit it does not happen.  Or it doesn't happen
> until after that little surprise litter from a 7 month old cat.  Early age
> spay/neuter goes a long way towards reducing pet overpopulation.  The areas
> that do very young spay/neuter amd have active feral cat programs have fewer
> kittens in shelters and higher adult cat adoptions.  So if you're going to
> adopt them out, fix them first.
>
> --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie  wrote:
>
> > From: Natalie 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:14 PM
>  > I am a rescue group - but we don't
> > have any laws in CT to alter them before
> > adoptions.  Probably a great idea! I keep in personal
> > contact with adopters
> > and make absolutely sure that they spay/neuter at the
> > appropriate times.
> > But they found that even though people pay for the
> > spay/neuter at the time
> > of adoption, a huge percentage never come back to do
> > it...Whether they do it
> > on their own or not, isn't known.  More likely, they
> > don't, and that's why
> > such a problem continues.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
> > On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:45 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> >
> > It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for
> > adoption.  In
> > California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to
> > adopt out an
> > unaltered animal.  Also, we have so many vets in
> > Northern California who are
> > very experienced at early age spay/neuter.  It's the
> > standard here and the
> > kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their
> > surgery.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Natalie 
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM
> > > I personally do NOT neuter/spay until
> > > much later and have never had a
> > > sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early,
> > and
> > > believes that
> > > neutering males so early has some possible future
> > risks
> > > that are not yet
> > > known.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
> > > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
> > >
> > > We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them
> > before
> > > that, and from what
> > > I've read about the bad possible side effects of early
> > s/n
> > > in dogs I can't
> > > blame him.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds
> > before
> > > surgery (usually 16
> > > > weeks)
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
> > > > > From: athenapities...@gmail.com
> > 

Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...

[Peggy Verdonck]

Sometimes it's not fair to state that Natalie. There are people who really
love their Felv+ cat(s)
and just want the best for them AND for their other Felv negative cats.
Not everybody has the space to keep healthy and 'sick' cats separate and try
to find
different solutions so everybody will be happy in the end. Unfortunately
that's often
hard to find. It is also not fair to stick the Felv+ cat in a separate room
or a cage for the rest of their lives!
When I found out Oreo had Felv and still had hope for her, I tried to find
somebody who already had
a Felv + kitty. That would have been the best for everybody. Unfortunately
the disease turned for the
worse in no time and it turned out I didn't have to make a decision. It was
already made for me :-(
I still have to test all 6 (+ found kitten who is in bathroom isolation)
cats tested for their second
round, after losing Oreo. I have night mares about one or more being + this
time (after being neg the
first go around).
My cats (and my horses and dogs) are my everything!

2011/1/8 Natalie 

> You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is
> FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them!  My vet, is the last
> one to ask - he will NEVER do it.  But there are many vets who actually
> suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of
> their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet.  I get
> calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is,
> why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much?  I happen to have
> two,
> because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept
> them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone
> will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent
> place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT
> -
> not in this area.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
>
> Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a
> pal
> for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues,
> shelters, and fosters.  I have encountered many times kitties who have
> never
> had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA.  Obviously, this doesn't sit quite
> right with me, and I need an IFA.  Of course, it's an expensive test and
> totally understandable why it's not done as much.  I have offered to pay
> for
> one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get
> all of those in question this luxury.  It's a dilema I didn't anticipate.
> I
> have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well.
>
> I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these
> special kitties.  You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the
> phone when I ask "Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption?"
> I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry.  It's
> also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to.  My
> favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going
> to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these
> sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms.
>
> I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it
> may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see
> how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change.  It may
> be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one
> of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful
> action.  The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you
> see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who?
>
> Shannon and Whimsy
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative

[Peggy Verdonck]

That is really great!! She is so lucky to have found you!!!

2011/1/18 Heather Wienker 

> Breaks my heart thinking of how many cats lives are ruined, or lost, based
> on a single test that might not even be correct.
>
> Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=
>
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Emeraldkittee 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks, everyone :)  there's lots of educating to do!
>>
>> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Laurieskatz  wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Laurieskatz 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 9:01 PM
>>
>>
>> :-) you are an angel in this kitty's life!!!
>>
>> "Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
>> untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
>> them
>> of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
>> yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
>> your
>> greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
>> of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
>> us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane
>> Rosenfeldt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:54 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative
>>
>> Excellent! Bravo for this sweet kitty!
>>
>> Diane R.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:52 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative
>>
>> I mentioned that one of the kitties we were going to look at for adoption
>> never had an IFA test.  She’s been in a cage for a year at a shelter.  I
>> had
>> them do an IFA and she’s negative!  She’s a healthy, roly-poly adult,
>> sweetie pie.  They actually thanked me for educating them and said they
>> will
>> follow a different testing protocol going forward.  I’m happy for this
>> kitty.
>>
>> shannon
>>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?

[Peggy Verdonck]

C, she wasn't talking about Leukemia and Aids, and they actually can catch
certain types of flu and colds from us!

2011/1/19 CATHERINE DIDONNA 

> sorry, we don't catch from each other.Their Lukemia and Aides is diff from
> ours.C
>
> --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Susan Hoffman  wrote:
>
>
> From: Susan Hoffman 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:52 PM
>
>
> Not true.  There are a lot of illnesses that can be transmitted between
> animals and humans, incluiding a lot of different types of colds.  Here's a
> nice long list to scare yourself with:
> http://svmweb.vetmed.wisc.edu/pbs/zoonoses/  If the animals and the people
> are basically healthy it's not much of an issue.  But with cats with
> compromised immune systems, whether they are kittens or elderly or FIV+ or
> FeLV+ or dealing with cancer, then they are more susceptible to all sorts of
> things.
>
> --- On Wed, 1/19/11, CATHERINE DIDONNA  wrote:
>
> > From: CATHERINE DIDONNA 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 11:32 AM
> > no,we can't make them sick
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry 
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:24 PM
> >
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone knows if humans who are sick with
> > a cold, the flu, etc
> > can make a FELV+ cat sick.  Magic is currently still
> > asymptomatic (other than
> > her diagnosis).  I'm just wondering when we are sick if
> > they are more
> > susceptible with their weakened immune system.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Stephanie
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Oatmeal Creme Pie Please Add to the CLS :(

[Peggy Verdonck]

So sorry to hear about your sweet Oatmeal Creme Pie! Rest in peace OCP!

We have 4 Snowshoes :-)

Peggy

2011/2/4 Sharyl 

> Rest in peace Oatmeal Creme Pie.  Sometimes there isn't anything we can do
> to help these sweet babies.
> Sharyl
>
> --- On Thu, 2/3/11, Sherry DeHaan  wrote:
>
>
> From: Sherry DeHaan 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Oatmeal Creme Pie Please Add to the CLS :(
> To: "Felvtalk" 
> Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 11:02 PM
>
>
> OCP was a sweet snowshoe siamese boy.He had it rough since the day he first
> came to us,which was not too long ago.The disease was just too much for his
> little body to take. He was a very laid bad loving baby.
> Sherry
>
>
> "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
> than our own,
> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
> We still would have it no other way"
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.

[Peggy Verdonck]

Over the rainbow bridge he went, to a place where pain and fear don't
exist. RIP Tweezer!

He won't be in you arms anymore, but forever in your heart!

Peggy




2011/2/4 2nd Hotmail 

> My heart aches for you!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 4, 2011, at 5:05 PM, "Frank & Sue Koren" 
> wrote:
>
> > Tweezer lost his battle with this horrible disease this afternoon.  He
> had
> > an aggressive lymphoma so there was no hope that he would get better or
> that
> > he could even be made more comfortable.  He crashed at the beginning of
> this
> > week and was having spasms that were making it very difficult for him to
> > eat, drink or even to stand.  He has been very unhappy and scared all
> week
> > long.
> >
> > When I took Tweezer in he was extremely malnourished and had worms, ear
> > mites, goopy eyes and an upper respiratory infection.  As his health
> > improved he became such a happy cat!  He was so happy to be alive, he
> always
> > wanted to play and be loved.  This is a you-tube link to a video I took
> of
> > him a few months ago.  He would come to me and ask me to come and play
> with
> > him and then lead me to the toys.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/katlover13100#p/a/u/2/xXvteShI_Ig
> >
> >
> >
> > Rest in peace my darling Tweezer.  My heart is breaking but at least
> there
> > is no feline leukemia where you are now.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........

[Peggy Verdonck]

I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me!
Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no
doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to
me and my husband.

2011/2/26 dana giordano 

> I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing
> (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats
> for
> long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe
> that's all it's intended for.
>
> Natalie that is a fantastic idea!
>
> I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there?  Love
> that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P)
>
> Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3
> so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi
> refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can
> choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the
> money
> I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if
> you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds.
>
> And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did
> anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there
> too,
> although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats.  I'm
> sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's
> just a good idea to have that number for a goal.
>
> Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find some
> that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to
> transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that contact
> info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will
> get done.  Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals.
> I'm sure they deal with it all the time.
>
> It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young
> and
> I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a
> lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to
> deal
> with this myself.  If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going to
> foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no
> money to even put away what you guys have! :)
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
>
> > Hi Kat,  This is exactly what I have done so far.  In my will I have
> > left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats.  It is the best I can think of to
> > assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of knowing some
> > unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the cat!!  It's the
> > big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I be certain they
> > will be taken care of. We have no local no-kill shelter, and the
> > humane society in our small town is worthless. They are mainly
> > concerned with dogs.
> >
> > My grown kids all adore cats, but they have a bunch of their own, so
> > I know they couldn't take all 14 of mome.  It is such a big problem,
> > but I must get it resolved as time is running out.  I have enough
> > money from a small inheritance to insure the care and safety of my
> > cats, but overseeing this is the huge problem.
> >
> > Lorrie in WV
> >
> > On 02-25, katskat1 wrote:
> > > I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having
> > > several cats and dogs of my own.  In my 60's, live along female.  I
> > > finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing
> > > that makes me feel best.
> > >
> > > I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I
> > > couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in
> > > my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death.  This
> > > money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used
> > > specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to
> > > live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted
> > > or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets
> > > concur it is a medical neccessity.
> > >
> > > Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose.
> > >
> > > Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight?  I don't
> > > know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but
> > > I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if
> > > necessary and she has agreed.
> > >
> > > Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't
> > > visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced
> > > if possible.
> > >
> > > kat
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Re: [Felvtalk] Information - Declawing - Please read

[Peggy Verdonck]

Where I come from (the Netherlands) declawing is illegal, and that's what it
should be here...illegal!!

Peggy

2011/3/24 Natalie 

> It is true about the change in the way they walk - one can tell when a cat
> is declawed.
> My sister-in-law declawed her first cat (actually inherited her from her
> son) - they are obsessed with their homesWhen my mother-in-law was
> visiting here, she told me that the second cat she got was in a cage at the
> vet for so long, the poor thing forgot how to walk, hunched over, etc.
>  That
> poor kitten was declawed - cages aren't so low that a cat can't stand up!
> He had to learn how to walk again!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn
> Gonzales
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:54 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Information - Declawing - Please read
>
> Please click on the link below to read more about declawing, see an actual
> video of what declawing did to a lion and print materials out for potential
> adopters.
>
> http://www.pawproject.org/
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Peggy Verdonck]

So sad! Poor Lola! :-(

2011/3/29 Sherry DeHaan 

> So freakin sad...Thank you for caring for her  :(
> Sherry
>
>
> "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
> than our own,
> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
> We still would have it no other way"
>
> --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Beth  wrote:
>
>
> From: Beth 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
> To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:06 PM
>
>
> Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive
> thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first. She
> was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see
> her. She blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely make a
> sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other volunteers
> who took her to the emergency vet.
> She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had
> severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old
> though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to
> raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her
> heart was barely pumping.
> I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow
> Bridge.
> It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people
> saw her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even
> sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way.
> At least she had a name :(
>
> Beth
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] New Member

[Peggy Verdonck]

Lol, 'cats must look for house'. You are their Dr. House, or at least, you
take them to him ;-)

Good luck with all the Hello Kitties! You are doing a wonderful thing!

Peggy

2011/4/6 katskat1 

> You go Charles!  Sounds like you jumped in with both feet.
> This is a great place to get advice and just pass along information.
> FeLV + kitties can live good lives, some short, some long, some of
> them with few, if any symptoms. kind of like Typhoid Mary.  I have
> one FeLV + that is about 12 - 13 years old.  Don't know if she was
> always pos but has been for at least 5 years now and mixes
> inside/outside with all 8 other kitties and no problems.  I vaccinate
> the negatives and deal with the positive as necessary - so far little
> needed thank goodness.
> Bless you and all who understand that humans are the reason there are
> so many kitties and dogs who need and deserve our help - and
> understanding that try to help.
>
> kat
>
>
> On 4/3/11, Bonnie Hogue  wrote:
> > Charles
> > Ya-hoo!  You have your hands full!  Plenty of folks on here have great
> > experience and can help guide you.
> > I'm just good for moral support.
> > Thanks for taking care of these little tigers...a job rewarded by their
> > health and happiness.
> > Carry on!
> > ~Bonnie
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Charles J Driscoll" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:14 AM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] New Member
> >
> >
> >>I am not sure how this board works, but this is my story. Can I answer on
> >>the board or do I have to send a e-mail each time.
> >>
> >> Over last summer, there was an abandoned foreclosure house next door to
> >> me. Well, in the hole of the fence, these 2 little faces kept popping
> >> their heads threw the hole. Turns out they were kittens born in March
> 2010
> >>
> >> from a feral mother cat. I feed them over the summer and finally made
> >> friends with the kittens. I bought a small dog house they could eat
> >> without getting soaked in the rain, snow etc. I finally TRN them in
> Sept.
> >> One is a healthy Gray Tiger one which I call "Hello". The other is a
> small
> >>
> >> black and white which I call "Hello Kitty". they were both males. The
> >> black and white seemed to eat alot less, very skiddish, not as friendly.
> >> The tiger one is a big mouth meow, meow, hey here I am. They are so
> >> bonded, so close. The tiger one seems to mother the Hello Kitty on all
> >> terms, watching out for him, washing him.
> >>
> >> Well, over this bad snow, cold winter the black and white came down
> sick,
> >> I grabbed him FAST and set up a cage in the house. Took him to the vet,
> he
> >>
> >> was on antibodics. Turns out he is Positive with FeLV. Since I never
> took
> >> care of ferals in my life, this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming.
> >> So we now have the black and white kitten (11 months old now) in the
> house
> >>
> >> since Feb 14th and on:
> >>
> >> Prednisolone (1 pill a day)
> >> Chinese Herbs Immune enhancer (2 caps a day)
> >> EFA vitamin and mineral supplement (1/4 teaspoon mixed with food)
> >> Fellovite II (1/4 teaspoon or lick right from finger, which he does)
> >>
> >> I also have the tiger one in the house and he was vaccinated from the
> >> FeLV. so hopefully it  works, cause I can not separate them at  all.
> >>
> >> I am also feeding other ferals outside. (The cats must look for
> >> houseLOL)
> >>
> >> Steroid: Big male black and white, he looks like his ear is tipped
> >> Bobcat: pure black one shows up in the dark, in and out. Has a bunny
> >> rabbit tail
> >> V: gray male tiger, who's been missing since Long Island snow storm this
> >> Feb
> >> Red: Male just showed up the past 2 weeks, Friendly, but not neurterd
> >>
> >> The Mama CAT: caught her in Oct and TNR. She is doing well, and healthy
> >> and lives and eats by a women down the block.
> >>
> >> Any suggestion would be so helpful!!
> >> thank you
> >> reneeny
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Re: [Felvtalk] VooDoo's Home

[Peggy Verdonck]

I have been following this thread from the beginning!
So glad Vooodoo is home and safe! :-)

On Jun 25, 2011 7:58 AM,  wrote:
> AWESOME news !!! :)
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Melinda Kerr 
> Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:52:40
> To: 
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] VooDoo's Home
>
> OK, so who says miracles and divine intervention do not exist? After a
couple of hours in the very hot sun, I found evidence that maybe VooDoo was
alive and close by. Then, I discovered that the police now have a NO
trapping policy. I went to my Japanese vet to see if he could find a trap.
He was going to call the city on Monday. So, back to being a little
stressed, feeling as though my best hope was gone.
>
> A couple of hours later, a very short, but really hard rain came and I was
once again concerned because I thought he was hiding in a drain pipe. As
soon as the rain ended, I went to the back door and called out asking him to
come home. What do you know, he answered me with his crazy, whiny cry. After
a few minutes of trying to coax him into the house, I decided that he was
either trapped or hurt. I called to him and he continued to call back. Once
I located him hiding under a tree, I belly crawled on the wet ground to
where he was. I reached under, in the dark, expecting the worst. However, he
let me grab him and pull him out.
>
> So, 48 hours after going missing, my baby is home safe and sound. We will
be watching closely for sniffles and signs of fever!
>
> Thank you all for your advice and positive vibes. I truly believe that
they worked.
>
> Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire

[Peggy Verdonck-Riley]

My biggest fear with 9 cats! Luckely we have an enclosed cat playground
outside. We can just push them out the cat door in the window and lock it
behind them.
I just hope something like that never happens when we aren't home!

On Dec 2, 2011 4:34 PM, "Lorrie"  wrote:

> What a terrible story!
>
> This is a lesson I learned from a friend of mine.  Her house was on
> fire and she grabbed her cat and took him outside but he ran back
> inside and died in the fire.  God forbid any of you ever have to
> rescue your cats from a burning house, but cats will always run back
> inside because this is the place they feel safe.  Always put your
> cats in carriers or in your car outside your home.  With 13 cats this
> would have been terribly difficult for your parents, but if there are
> only one or two cats this can be done.
>
> Lorrie
>
> On 12-02, GRAS wrote:
> > In 1964, my parents' house in Chicago had a fire on a night of a huge
> > snowstorm, 3'!  The fire department had a hard time getting there because
> > side street were not plowed, especially not at 3 AM. They had 13 cats,
> and I
> > had "just" moved back with my two cats because I couldn't afford my
> > apartment closer to school. All the cats died in the fire, although my
> > father was running around, grabbing them and putting them on an enclosed
> > porch, they all ran back as he opened the door.When the house was
> > rebuilt, a cat was found in the basement ceiling/rafters, completely soft
> > and pliable (not stiff!) - poor cats most probably died from smoke
> > inhalation because they have such tiny lungs.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire

[Peggy Verdonck-Riley]

My husband parents, and his grand parents house burned down to the ground.
And because of that I'm terrified it will happen to us too. I keep saying
it runs in the family! But I should think the way you think, what is the
chance of another one! Thank you :-)

2011/12/3 GRAS 

> Anytime I'm out, and am driving home and hear a fire engine going up our
> road, I have this horrible thought that it's our house...but, since both my
> husband's family and my family had a house fore, what are the chances for
> another one?
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:54 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire
>
>  I had not thought about what if I were not home.  That is enough to make
> me
> never leave home again!
>
>  Peggy Verdonck-Riley  wrote:
> > My biggest fear with 9 cats! Luckely we have an enclosed cat
> > playground outside. We can just push them out the cat door in the
> > window and lock it behind them.
> > I just hope something like that never happens when we aren't home!
> >
> > On Dec 2, 2011 4:34 PM, "Lorrie"  wrote:
> >
> > > What a terrible story!
> > >
> > > This is a lesson I learned from a friend of mine.  Her house was on
> > > fire and she grabbed her cat and took him outside but he ran back
> > > inside and died in the fire.  God forbid any of you ever have to
> > > rescue your cats from a burning house, but cats will always run back
> > > inside because this is the place they feel safe.  Always put your
> > > cats in carriers or in your car outside your home.  With 13 cats
> > > this would have been terribly difficult for your parents, but if
> > > there are only one or two cats this can be done.
> > >
> > > Lorrie
> > >
> > > On 12-02, GRAS wrote:
> > > > In 1964, my parents' house in Chicago had a fire on a night of a
> > > > huge snowstorm, 3'!  The fire department had a hard time getting
> > > > there because side street were not plowed, especially not at 3 AM.
> > > > They had 13 cats,
> > > and I
> > > > had "just" moved back with my two cats because I couldn't afford
> > > > my apartment closer to school. All the cats died in the fire,
> > > > although my father was running around, grabbing them and putting
> > > > them on an enclosed porch, they all ran back as he opened the
> > > > door.When the house was rebuilt, a cat was found in the
> > > > basement ceiling/rafters, completely soft and pliable (not stiff!)
> > > > - poor cats most probably died from smoke inhalation because they
> have
> such tiny lungs.
> > > >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire

[Peggy Verdonck-Riley]

Pillow cases, that's great advise if you can't get to the carriers fast
enough! Never thought of that. Will work for our ferret too!
*runs to the store to get 10 new pillow cases, just in case* ;-)

2011/12/2 GRAS 

> My father even burned his corneas trying to save the cats (was OK in the
> long run). And as it turned out later, he was actually running on a
> wall-to-wall carpet with no floor under it anymoreBut he still kept
> trying.  Another great idea is to use  pillowcases in any emergency -
> that's
> always around!
> BTW - horses do the same when a barn is on fire; they run back.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:40 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire
>
> What a terrible story!
>
> This is a lesson I learned from a friend of mine.  Her house was on fire
> and
> she grabbed her cat and took him outside but he ran back inside and died in
> the fire.  God forbid any of you ever have to rescue your cats from a
> burning house, but cats will always run back inside because this is the
> place they feel safe.  Always put your cats in carriers or in your car
> outside your home.  With 13 cats this would have been terribly difficult
> for
> your parents, but if there are only one or two cats this can be done.
>
> Lorrie
>
> On 12-02, GRAS wrote:
> > In 1964, my parents' house in Chicago had a fire on a night of a huge
> > snowstorm, 3'!  The fire department had a hard time getting there
> > because side street were not plowed, especially not at 3 AM. They had
> > 13 cats, and I had "just" moved back with my two cats because I
> > couldn't afford my apartment closer to school. All the cats died in
> > the fire, although my father was running around, grabbing them and
> > putting them on an enclosed porch, they all ran back as he opened the
> > door.When the house was rebuilt, a cat was found in the basement
> > ceiling/rafters, completely soft and pliable (not stiff!) - poor cats
> > most probably died from smoke inhalation because they have such tiny
> lungs.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors

[Peggy Verdonck-Riley]

I use the enzyme spray from Wal Mart. It is cheap but it works great! Takes
odor out within a few hours. When I have to wash something I use a little
bit of carpet shampoo. The pet formula. Works great!

2011/12/17 GRAS 

>  Ooops, I just responded very much the same….I start with first mail
> first…..
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Susan Hoffman
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:56 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
>
>  ** **
>
> We've actually done half vinegar and half water and yes it can be used on
> anything.
>
> We've actually incorporated the  vinegar and water into our weekly
> cleaning sessions.  We fill spray bottles with vinegar and water and spray
> corners of the rooms and cat trees and everything (hot spots, where cats do
> bad things) and just spritz it all down and let it sit for 20 minutes or so
> before going through the normal cleaning routine.
>
> After the vinegar and water soak we vaccuum and mop with Dr. Broners
> peppermit liquid soap, and wipe down surfaces and all.  But the vinegar and
> water really deals with odors well.
>
> I have not used it in the washing machine yet but I think I'll be trying
> that very soon.
>
> For the record I have never liked the smell of vinegar.  But the vinegar
> smell dissipates and it really does nutralize odors
>
> --- On *Fri, 12/16/11, ter...@tazzys.org * wrote:
>
>
> From: ter...@tazzys.org 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 9:37 PM
>
> When you use vinegar and water what is the measurements?
> Can it be used on carpets?
>
> Thanks!
>
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>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
> From: GRAS http://mc/compose?to=g...@optonline.net>>
> Date: Fri, December 16, 2011 7:31 pm
> To: 
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> White vinegar and water mixture is great to get cat pee smell out...where's
> the urine on? carpet, furniture, or just bedding? I also swear by X-O,
> it's available as an odor neutralizer and also cleaner/odor neutralizer. It
> smells great, comes in concentrated form, and you can dilute however you
> wish; can also be used as air freshener.
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