Re: [Felvtalk] remedy for feline UTI?

[dot winkler]

Hi everyone out there.  It's me again - Dotty.  With another cat problem. 

But first, an update on Tiger.  I want you all to know that because of 
your help and support and advice and financial assistance, Tiger is a success 
story.  He was vetted last year by me and finally given to my sister in law.  
He has overcome his gum issues with the  FIV and wheezing problem finally.  He 
has a wonderful, loving home with my sister in law and niece as an indoor cat.  
He has filled out and is very healthy and happy.  I owe a part of his success 
to you - to the people who were able to contribute to his costly care.  And to 
everyone in this group - a wonderful group full of supportive people and full 
of advice, stories and a wealth of tried and true information.  Thank you all.  
Dotty Winkler  

Back to my cat at home - Shamus - 10 + YO male.  Stray i took in last year to 
save.  Had urinary crystals.  Cured of that with surgical procedure.  However, 
contracted Staph and E coli infec from the catheterization and surgical prc. .  
Hospitalized at vet with IV fluids and sent home with anti b however is having 
a hard time throwing this off.  Are there any homeopathic remedies for this 
that you all could recommend?  What are yourexperiences with this?  Thank you, 
worried about Shamus - Dotty



 From: Bonnie Hogue 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?
 


I just figured our kitties are fine and we’re hunkering down getting ready for 
Fall!
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 12:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?
 
Yahoo. was having some problems a few weeks ago. 
Sometimes nobody, thankfully, is having any problems.
Sometimes no news is good news
 
 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 
 



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Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?
 
I'm here - tho I mainly just lurk these days..

It has been quiet.

Kat (Mew Jersey)
 
 
- Original Message -
>From: Lee Evans
>Sent: 10/07/13 01:25 PM
>To: Felvtalk
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?
> 
>I haven't received any messages from the group in over two weeks! Yahoo was 
>sending back my messages with the information that the address no longer 
>exists. What gives?

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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[dot winkler]

A few people in this group recommended Coptis Purge fire for the stomatitis.  
As well as CoQ10.  



 From: Mary Lou 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 12:44 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] stomatitis
 
If your cat hs stomatitis, there is a yahoo group for discussing that problem.  
The group has long discussed a liquid stomatitis syrup that comes from a group 
in Dallas.  Your vet has to get involved with the project and contact the group 
in Dallas.  I can honestly say that I had very serious doubts about the syrup, 
but it works.  My Abbey is FIV+ and orginally tested Felv+, but negative the 
2nd and 3rd tests.  She had a bad case of stomatitis and is in remission.  I do 
not work for the group, just let people know to check it out with an open mind. 
 I really does work. Mary Lou

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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[dot winkler]

Hi Kathryn:  Can you give me the recipe for homeopathic remedy/diet for feline 
stomatitis.  I had it printed out but in the disuption of the hurricane, I 
misplaced it.  I do remember Oxyfresh in the water.  Do you mean, Oxiwash  that 
we use in our laundry to help whiten it?  How much?  Is it safe?  How often?  
I am giving Tiger CoQ10 as well as Vit C and L-Lysine daily.  Thanks, Dot 
(Freehold, NJ)



 From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
 

Note that one can transition kits to the much healthier wet food (and then 
healthy wet food, as opposed to Friskies, which is great for getting cats to 
eat anything) by adding in a little of the desired stuff at a time while 
subtracting the old stuff.   Cats are instinctually fussy about food for a good 
evolutionary reason.   You can also putting really smelly bonito flakes or tuna 
water on things they may otherwise not eat.   I also use freeze-dried liver or 
salmon or chicken or beef (from save sources, not China), because it smells so 
strong.   The nose is the gateway to a cat's stomach.

Is there a way the vet can detect these possible lesions mentioned by digegg? 


The other Kathryn (call me Kathy).



On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Kathryn Green  wrote:

THANK YOU!  I will bring that possibility up w/the vet.  In talking to
>him on the phone he has come up with a few possibilities but I will
>see what he thinks.  I also notice that Oz is VERY leery of brooms.
>Will even stop eating his morning canned food and run for shelter if I
>start sweeping around his litter pan on the far side of the room.  And
>unlike Miss Kitty, Oz LOVES his canned food treat.   I have to wonder
>if he hasn't been clobbered/chased with a broom more than a few times.
>
>Kat
>
>
>dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>
>RE:  Oz and his rear end.  I had a stray that never wanted his rear
>end touched.  He died from urinary tract obstruction.  The vet was
>upset that he could not find anything to cause it so he did an
>autopsy.  He found adhesions all over inside his body, the kind that
>come from being kicked across a room, very hard.  He was a beautiful
>champagne color Persian with the most loving personality.  Maybe Oz
>has some adhesions ?
> Chris  wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal Congestion/REPLY RHINITIS

[dot winkler]

Thanks so much for the tip about the rhinitis.  I guess that's what he has.  
I'll look for the product soon.  Sounds easy enough.  Dotty




 From: Amanda Vollaro 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal Congestion
 

 
My guy who suffers from occasional rhinisitis (he's 
got the Herpes thing) benefits from Saline spray - you can get it in a 
children's dosing bottle "Little Noses", and use it twice a day (morning and 
night). It can be a project just to aim it right with a wiggling cat, but it 
works. Do this in the bathroom so that when they sneeze afterwards you can 
clean 
up well. Usually after the squirt they will sneeze once or twice, clearing all 
of the congestion in an instant! It helps with moisturizing their sinuses and 
gives them relief immediately. 
 
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avoll...@optonline.net
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- Original Message - 
>From: dot  winkler 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 7:09  PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] STORM/REPLY  LORRIE, 11/6
>
>
>Hi Lorrie - I received your check in the mail.  Thank you,  thank you so much 
>and to everyone who helped out.  Tiger was taken to the  vet.  He was given to 
>my sis in law but her ceiling caved in with the  storm and shingles blown off 
>her roof so she gave him back to me temporarily.   He has a cold, (he is fev 
>pos) and is having a hard time throwing it  off.  I have a eucalyptus mister 
>in my room that I run twice a day for  him.  He is on anti b for the 
>stomatitis which his mouth is much, much  better.  he is gaining weight and i 
>give him Lysine 500/day.  So  Tiger is a success story, and I hope his cold 
>clears up soon.  Goldie has  not yet been captured.  He is still not well.  
>Any tips  on the cold?  He is congested, but not in the eyes.  Only in the  
>nose and sinuses.  
>It  was thoughtful again Lorrie to receive your check.  The card was cute.   
>The Farmingdale colony are doing okay and weathered the storm safely.   
>Thanks, Dot
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiger with sinus stuffy nose and sneezing

[dot winkler]

Hi everyone.  Tiger is doing good but he still continues to have a sort of 
stuffy nose.  The vet said sinus thing.  No watery eyes at all.  He does have a 
sneeze too.  Vet said, and all concurred to have the cat sit in the bathroom 
with steam from the shower running.  I have done this but it does not seem to 
do anything.  In fact, he sounds more congested from it! ?  I always thought 
that hot water closes the sinuses, where cool mist opens them so now i am 
running a cool mist.  
The cat is FIV pos, so the vet said it may take a while to clear up.  I am 
wondering about all this.  Has anyone had any experience with it?  I am also 
wondering if the sneeze isn't a parasite thing?  I myself have a cat who had a 
cough/sneeze and it turned out to be parasites and he had a special pasty med 
he had to take for a week.
Hate to spend money at the vet again but any input?  Thanks, Dotty



 From: Kathryn Green 
To: Lee Evans  
Cc: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemic Leukemia Positive Cat - Update on Desi
 

So glad he seems to be doing better.  Settling in and all.  Thank you for 
giving him a place to 'chill'!
Kat
Lee Evans  wrote:
He's doing quite well.  He eats about a can and a half of food plus he is now 
eating his dry food (Iams Hairball Prevention).  He has come out of the closet 
where he felt secure for the first 2 days here and is now sleeping in the cat 
bed I put on a chair pulled up to the window so he could look out at the 
interesting critters and birds. He seems a lot stronger than the night he was 
brought here. His eyes are clear, no gunk in the morning.  I flea combed him 
yesterday and he doesn't have any fleas or flea dirt that I could see.  He's 
getting Nutra Ved twice daily.

 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!



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Re: [Felvtalk] STORM/REPLY LORRIE, 11/6

[dot winkler]

Hi Lorrie - I received your check in the mail.  Thank you, thank you so much 
and to everyone who helped out.  Tiger was taken to the vet.  He was given to 
my sis in law but her ceiling caved in with the storm and shingles blown off 
her roof so she gave him back to me temporarily.  He has a cold, (he is fev 
pos) and is having a hard time throwing it off.  I have a eucalyptus mister in 
my room that I run twice a day for him.  He is on anti b for the stomatitis 
which his mouth is much, much better.  he is gaining weight and i give him 
Lysine 500/day.  So Tiger is a success story, and I hope his cold clears up 
soon.  Goldie has not yet been captured.  He is still not well.  
Any tips on the cold?  He is congested, but not in the eyes.  Only in the nose 
and sinuses.  
It was thoughtful again Lorrie to receive your check.  The card was cute.  The 
Farmingdale colony are doing okay and weathered the storm safely.  Thanks, Dot




 From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] STORM
 
Dot,
Sounds like you have a super good husband. Mine is too. He built me
feral shelters for one of my feral colonies, and since we have so many
cats at home he built me heated, thermostatically controlled sleeping
boxes in our garage for the 3 outside cats.  They have a cat flap into
the garage, and they go into one of the three heated boxes thru a cat
flap too.  THey have a large window to look out of and a warm blanket
inside their box as well as the heat.  I use those ceramic reptile
heaters that give out heat but no light. They screw in like a light bulb 
and give out heat but not light. They seem to last forever as I've used
them 8 or 10 years now. They are expensive - about $20. each but are
worth it and they won't break or shatter like a light bulb would, tho
a light bulb can be used if you don't have the ceramic heater.

I think your cats will be okay with what you've prepared for them.
Please let us know how they are when the storm passes.

BTW, I mailed your check Saturday so you should get it early this
week, if mail is delivered.

Lorrie


On 10-28, dot winkler wrote:
>    I am in Freehold, NJ. Inland  So, you are in New York?  Or is that near
>    Long Island?
>     Do you have any outdoor colonies?  My hub over the last year has built
>    small dog house type shelters (he is a carpenter) with tarping on the
>    rooves.  They are surrounded by tee pee pallets piled on each other.
>    Then covered in tarping or plastic stapled on with his staple gun.
>    There are piles of furniture dumped in the area and some of the houses
>    are within those, protected. There are 2 dry feed stations we just
>    filled tonight.   I just still am very worried.  Hoping they will be
>    okay.  What experiences have you had with storms and the cats?


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Re: [Felvtalk] STORM QUESTIONS/ OUTCOME - NOV 5

[dot winkler]

Hi Everyone.  I am happy to say that all the cats in the Farmingdale colony are 
okay from the storm.  We are inland and they are in farmland area so not many 
trees.  Their houses held up, thank goodness.  Thanks for the concern and 
support.  



 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: kat  
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS/reply
 
-I am praying for all the east coast, especially the animals.  They have to 
rely on humans to do for them.  I think that I would gather them all up and 
head for high ground if I knew something like this was coming.  Have to have 
lots of have a haeart traps tho.



--- kat > wrote: > Dot, > > Your husband sounds like a real kitty lover too!! 
The shelters he has put together sound great and I hope the kitties weather the 
storm safely. > > I have been told that there is a high pressure system out in 
the Atlantic (near Iceland?) that is preventing Sandy from going out to sea. So 
I have been sending "dissipate" prayers to that system so that Sandy can change 
direction before making landfall this evening!! I'm located in the northwest 
corner of NJ, so I shouldn't get "hit", but losing power is always a concern. > 
> Your kitties are in my prayers!! > > Kat ("Mew" Jersey) > - Original 
Message - > From: dot winkler > Sent: 10/28/12 09:11 PM > To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS/reply > 
> I am in Freehold, NJ. Inland So, you are in New York? Or is that near Long 
Island? Do you have any outdoor colonies? My hub over the last year has built 
small dog house type shelters (he is a
 carpenter) with tarping on the rooves. They are surrounded by tee pee pallets 
piled on each other. Then covered in tarping or plastic stapled on with his 
staple gun. There are piles of furniture dumped in the area and some of the 
houses are within those, protected. There are 2 dry feed stations we just 
filled tonight. I just still am very worried. Hoping they will be okay. What 
experiences have you had with storms and the cats? 
 From: Christiane Biagi > To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS Am in Westchester (New Rochelle). Where are you? 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot 
winkler Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS I went to the outdoor cat colony and 
dumped large amounts of dry food in the 2 protected stations. I am very worried 
about
 the cats with the hurricane. We constructed small dog-house like houses for 
them with tee pees around them from wood pallets and some plastic. What's the 
general consensu? How have any of your outdoor cat colonies done in the 
hurricane situations? In Hurricane Irene, the group did okay but this one they 
are saying is worse. Do any of you live around this area of the hurricane 
approaching?  
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Re: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS/reply

[dot winkler]

I am in Freehold, NJ. Inland  So, you are in New York?  Or is that near Long 
Island? 
 Do you have any outdoor colonies?  My hub over the last year has built small 
dog house type shelters (he is a carpenter) with tarping on the rooves.  They 
are surrounded by tee pee pallets piled on each other.  Then covered in tarping 
or plastic stapled on with his staple gun.  There are piles of furniture dumped 
in the area and some of the houses are within those, protected. There are 2 dry 
feed stations we just filled tonight.   I just still am very worried.  Hoping 
they will be okay.  What experiences have you had with storms and the cats?



 From: Christiane Biagi 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS
 

Am in Westchester (New Rochelle).  Where are you?
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot 
winkler
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS
 
I went to the outdoor cat colony and dumped large amounts of dry food in the 2 
protected stations.  I am very worried about the cats with the hurricane.  We 
constructed small dog-house like houses for them with tee pees around them from 
wood pallets and some plastic.  
What's the general consensu?  How have any of your outdoor cat colonies done in 
the hurricane situations?  In Hurricane Irene, the group did okay but this one 
they are saying is worse.  Do any of you live around this area of the hurricane 
approaching?  
 



 
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[Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS

[dot winkler]

I went to the outdoor cat colony and dumped large amounts of dry food in the 2 
protected stations.  I am very worried about the cats with the hurricane.  We 
constructed small dog-house like houses for them with tee pees around them from 
wood pallets and some plastic.  
What's the general consensu?  How have any of your outdoor cat colonies done in 
the hurricane situations?  In Hurricane Irene, the group did okay but this one 
they are saying is worse.  Do any of you live around this area of the hurricane 
approaching?  


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Re: [Felvtalk] GOOGLE CHROME BROWSER/REPLY/ YES!

[dot winkler]

Hi,Yes, I would love to know that holistic approach.  
The first vet there when I brought Tiger in, said he had "stomatitis", 
chronic condition.  When I called vet yesterday, other vet said "AIDS pos" and 
that they pulled a lot of teeth and are giving anti b.  When I asked 
specifically if he has the stomatitis to her, she said that he is fine now so 
we have to wait and see if it recurs.  
Please send me that recipe for it.  I will give it to my sis in law who will be 
 taking the cat now.  Thanks so much.  



 From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] GOOGLE CHROME BROWSER/REPLY
 

It was Lorrie that couldn't get in.   I've seen it work in Firefox and Safari.  
 

Does Tiger still have stomatitis?    My vet and I worked out a holistic 
protocol that cured both my kitties that had stomatitis.   One had it so bad, 
he spurted blood every time he opened his mouth.   I can send it to you if you 
like.



On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 5:00 AM, dot winkler  wrote:


>
>Hi Kathryn:  Sorry you couldnt get in.  I use Google Chrome browser. My son 
>said it shouldn't matter what browser you use.  (I'm sorry - I don't know a 
>lot of technical stuff about computers.  LOL. ) 
>My home address is, also, in case you want to send by mail:  
>Mrs. Dotty Winkler
>37 Harrison Dr
>Freehold, NJ   07728
>Thank you for your kindness and care in this matter.  Tiger is vetted and on 
>his way to getting to a new home - my sis in law and neice.  He had an 
>extensive workup at the vet and has FIV pos (had stomatitis).  We hope for the 
>best for him with my sis in law.  She'll give him lots of TLC and with good 
>food and shelter, he will thrive.  I have a lot to do with all the others at 
>the colony.  Goldie still remains an issue.  Thanks, Dot
>
>
>
>
> From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:02 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS/THUR NGHT REPLY
> 
>
>The operating system shouldn't matter.   It's the browser.   What one are you 
>using?   It works in Firefox (on a Mac, which is essentially *nix).
>
>
>http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery
>
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
>
>Dot,
>>The problem was I couldn't get into the chipin site to begin with. We
>>don't use microsoft windows.  We use a "techy" operating system called
>>LINUX/UNIX.  I'll see if my husband can figure out how to get in to
>>this. It'll be later today. Now I have to go to my shelter/sanctuary
>>in town.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 10-25, dot winkler wrote:
>>>    Hi - i read your e-mail Lorrie about trying to get into the Chipin acct
>>>    and you are having trouble.  My son fixed the pictures which were too
>>>    big initially but now you can see the box as soon as you get into the
>>>    site - the chipin box, I mean.  Simply click on that link;
>>>    http://farmingdalcats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recvery and then you
>>>    can access the box.  Thank you so much.  Let me know if you still have
>>>    a problem.  Dot
>>
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>
>
>If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their 
>life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
>
>
>If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
>free up cage space.
>
>
>Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
>implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/
>
>Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
>http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)
>
>Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
>
>More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
>
>More fun watching: 
>http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Local feral cat crisis?   See Alley Cat Allies' for how to 
>respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537
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[dot winkler]

Hi Kathryn:  Sorry you couldnt get in.  I use Google Chrome browser. My son 
said it shouldn't matter what browser you use.  (I'm sorry - I don't know a lot 
of technical stuff about computers.  LOL. ) 
My home address is, also, in case you want to send by mail:  
Mrs. Dotty Winkler
37 Harrison Dr
Freehold, NJ   07728
Thank you for your kindness and care in this matter.  Tiger is vetted and on 
his way to getting to a new home - my sis in law and neice.  He had an 
extensive workup at the vet and has FIV pos (had stomatitis).  We hope for the 
best for him with my sis in law.  She'll give him lots of TLC and with good 
food and shelter, he will thrive.  I have a lot to do with all the others at 
the colony.  Goldie still remains an issue.  Thanks, Dot



 From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS/THUR NGHT REPLY
 

The operating system shouldn't matter.   It's the browser.   What one are you 
using?   It works in Firefox (on a Mac, which is essentially *nix).

http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery




On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Lorrie  wrote:

Dot,
>The problem was I couldn't get into the chipin site to begin with. We
>don't use microsoft windows.  We use a "techy" operating system called
>LINUX/UNIX.  I'll see if my husband can figure out how to get in to
>this. It'll be later today. Now I have to go to my shelter/sanctuary
>in town.
>
>
>
>
>On 10-25, dot winkler wrote:
>>    Hi - i read your e-mail Lorrie about trying to get into the Chipin acct
>>    and you are having trouble.  My son fixed the pictures which were too
>>    big initially but now you can see the box as soon as you get into the
>>    site - the chipin box, I mean.  Simply click on that link;
>>    http://farmingdalcats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recvery and then you
>>    can access the box.  Thank you so much.  Let me know if you still have
>>    a problem.  Dot
>
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If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: 
http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902




Local feral cat crisis?   See Alley Cat Allies' for how to 
respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537

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Re: [Felvtalk] http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery

[dot winkler]

http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery.  



 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 
http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery
 

ATTACHED IS THE CHIP IN LINK - SORRY FOR ALL THE CONFUSION ABOUT IT.  
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR KIND DONATIONS.  ESP I KNOW YOU ALL CARE FOR MULTIPLE 
CATS AS WELL.  I would like to help you all out in the future as well if you 
ever need a donation - i'm at venus7ora...@yahoo.com.  
PLEASE CONTINUE ASKING OTHERS FOR SUPPORT AND DONATIONS WITH THE FARMINGDALE 
CATS- I NEED TO HELP GOLDIE AND A FEW OF THE OTHER CATS IN THE GROUP TO GET OUT 
OF THE WEATHER AND ELEMENTS AND INTO HOMES.  THANKS.  dotty     TIGER IS NOW 
VETTED AND ON THE ROAD TO A NICE HOME.  THE VET SAID HE WAS SO SWEET!  I knew 
he had hope!  


________
 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS/THUR NGHT REPLY/ERRROR - P.S.
 



SORRY - THE LINK IS:  (MIS-SPELLED ON PRIOR MAIL):
http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery

____________
 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS/THUR NGHT REPLY
 

Hi - i read your e-mail Lorrie about trying to get into the Chipin acct and you 
are having trouble.  My son fixed the pictures which were too big initially but 
now you can see the box as soon as you get into the site - the chipin box, I 
mean.  Simply click on that link;  
http://farmingdalcats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recvery and then you can access 
the box.  Thank you so much.  Let me know if you still have a problem.  Dot



 From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS
 
Dot, I have tried 5 times to get into the chipin address and cannot.

I have no idea why.  How about paypal?  That works for me.  I cannot
send you a lot, as I have 24 cats of my own plus a feral colony but 
I want to send something.

Lorrie


>    http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery.
>    Any generous donations will go toward the vetting cost of Tiger
>    (outdoor cat at Farmingdale) and Goldie (same).  They are in need of
>    vetting.  I am taking care of the colony of 7 the past 2 years and
>    socializing them, feeding and driving out to the site (not near my
>    home).  Two or three have a shot for adoption (I have my own 4 indoor
>    cats at home as well).  Please help in any way you can if possible and
>    I do appreciate the smallest
 of donations as times are tough.  Thanks

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Re: [Felvtalk] http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery

[dot winkler]

ATTACHED IS THE CHIP IN LINK - SORRY FOR ALL THE CONFUSION ABOUT IT.  
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR KIND DONATIONS.  ESP I KNOW YOU ALL CARE FOR MULTIPLE 
CATS AS WELL.  I would like to help you all out in the future as well if you 
ever need a donation - i'm at venus7ora...@yahoo.com.  
PLEASE CONTINUE ASKING OTHERS FOR SUPPORT AND DONATIONS WITH THE FARMINGDALE 
CATS- I NEED TO HELP GOLDIE AND A FEW OF THE OTHER CATS IN THE GROUP TO GET OUT 
OF THE WEATHER AND ELEMENTS AND INTO HOMES.  THANKS.  dotty     TIGER IS NOW 
VETTED AND ON THE ROAD TO A NICE HOME.  THE VET SAID HE WAS SO SWEET!  I knew 
he had hope!  



 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS/THUR NGHT REPLY/ERRROR - P.S.
 



SORRY - THE LINK IS:  (MIS-SPELLED ON PRIOR MAIL):
http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery

________
 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS/THUR NGHT REPLY
 

Hi - i read your e-mail Lorrie about trying to get into the Chipin acct and you 
are having trouble.  My son fixed the pictures which were too big initially but 
now you can see the box as soon as you get into the site - the chipin box, I 
mean.  Simply click on that link;  
http://farmingdalcats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recvery and then you can access 
the box.  Thank you so much.  Let me know if you still have a problem.  Dot



 From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS
 
Dot, I have tried 5 times to get into the chipin address and cannot.

I have no idea why.  How about paypal?  That works for me.  I cannot
send you a lot, as I have 24 cats of my own plus a feral colony but 
I want to send something.

Lorrie


>    http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery.
>    Any generous donations will go toward the vetting cost of Tiger
>    (outdoor cat at Farmingdale) and Goldie (same).  They are in need of
>    vetting.  I am taking care of the colony of 7 the past 2 years and
>    socializing them, feeding and driving out to the site (not near my
>    home).  Two or three have a shot for adoption (I have my own 4 indoor
>    cats at home as well).  Please help in any way you can if possible and
>    I do appreciate the smallest
 of donations as times are tough.  Thanks

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[dot winkler]

SORRY - THE LINK IS:  (MIS-SPELLED ON PRIOR MAIL):
http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery


 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS/THUR NGHT REPLY
 

Hi - i read your e-mail Lorrie about trying to get into the Chipin acct and you 
are having trouble.  My son fixed the pictures which were too big initially but 
now you can see the box as soon as you get into the site - the chipin box, I 
mean.  Simply click on that link;  
http://farmingdalcats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recvery and then you can access 
the box.  Thank you so much.  Let me know if you still have a problem.  Dot



 From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS
 
Dot, I have tried 5 times to get into the chipin address and cannot.

I have no idea why.  How about paypal?  That works for me.  I cannot
send you a lot, as I have 24 cats of my own plus a feral colony but 
I want to send something.

Lorrie


>    http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery.
>    Any generous donations will go toward the vetting cost of Tiger
>    (outdoor cat at Farmingdale) and Goldie (same).  They are in need of
>    vetting.  I am taking care of the colony of 7 the past 2 years and
>    socializing them, feeding and driving out to the site (not near my
>    home).  Two or three have a shot for adoption (I have my own 4 indoor
>    cats at home as well).  Please help in any way you can if possible and
>    I do appreciate the smallest
 of donations as times are tough.  Thanks

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[dot winkler]

Hi - i read your e-mail Lorrie about trying to get into the Chipin acct and you 
are having trouble.  My son fixed the pictures which were too big initially but 
now you can see the box as soon as you get into the site - the chipin box, I 
mean.  Simply click on that link;  
http://farmingdalcats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recvery and then you can access 
the box.  Thank you so much.  Let me know if you still have a problem.  Dot




 From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CHIPIN ADDRESS
 
Dot, I have tried 5 times to get into the chipin address and cannot.

I have no idea why.  How about paypal?  That works for me.  I cannot
send you a lot, as I have 24 cats of my own plus a feral colony but 
I want to send something.

Lorrie


>    http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery.
>    Any generous donations will go toward the vetting cost of Tiger
>    (outdoor cat at Farmingdale) and Goldie (same).  They are in need of
>    vetting.  I am taking care of the colony of 7 the past 2 years and
>    socializing them, feeding and driving out to the site (not near my
>    home).  Two or three have a shot for adoption (I have my own 4 indoor
>    cats at home as well).  Please help in any way you can if possible and
>    I do appreciate the smallest of donations as times are tough.  Thanks

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Re: [Felvtalk] Thanks Lee

[dot winkler]

Lee - Thank you for your kind donation.  It is plenty.  Wow.  How many cats do 
you have?  That is a lot for you also. If in any way in the future I can help 
you out, please send me an e-mail @ venus7ora...@yahoo.com.  I am still 
collecting and will put out my own money obviously as well, but every bit will 
help.  My sister comes tomorrow so we can capture tiger and get him to the vet 
and his foster home temporarily.  That person may keep him as well if they like 
him which i'm sure they will.  Dot




 From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help for Goldie and Tiger
 

Dot, where is your Chipin page located?  I haven't been paying attention lately.

 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!




________
 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help for Goldie and Tiger
 

Hi.  I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to raise money to help some 
of the cats in the Farmingdale colony that I have been taking care of for the 
past 2 years.  Two of them are in need of medical attention.  Goldie and Tiger. 
 Tiger has gotten much more affectionate and friendly with me the last 2 
months.  He lets me pick him up.  My goal is to adopt some of them out (some of 
the friendlier ones like him). I have been working on this goal for some time 
now.   But he has started to sneeze the last 2 months and I almost got him in 
the cage last week and this week I will surely catch him with the help of my 
sister.  I have gone through so much money this summer, I'm sure you all know 
the story, as I took in a stray from our neighborhood (now have 4 indoor cats). 
 Financially, I need some assistance with Tiger and Goldie.  I don't want to 
let them go the winter - Gldie obviously has something stuck in his mouth and 
probably needs anti b
 as well as a full workup.  I am hopeful that I can catch him also with a 
little persistance. Tiger shows much hope if vetted.  My sister-in-law has 
offered to  recover him.
 I have started a "CHIPIN" account.  I'm sure you all have seen it.  If anyone 
would like to donate and help out, it would be so much appreciated.  Tiger and 
Goldie would be relieved of their agony and it is heartbreaking to see them 
suffer with winter coming on.  I can't stand to watch it.  I want so much for 
the outcome of these cats to be a good one.  That is my goal.  If you find it 
in the goodness of your hearts to chip in even $1.00, it would be so wonderful 
as dollars add up.  Or if you have any other ideas of raising money.  I am in 
for surgery Nov 26th so time is of the essence as I have many dr appts and work 
is time-consuming.  Thanks to you all.  Dotty W.  Freehold, NJ





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Re: [Felvtalk] [Felvtalk) CHIPIN ADDRESS FOR GOLDIE AND TIGER please help

[dot winkler]

Hi - I am sending the "Chipin" address again in case it was not seen prior.  It 
is:  
http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery.
Any generous donations will go toward the vetting cost of Tiger (outdoor cat at 
Farmingdale) and Goldie (same).  They are in need of vetting.  I am taking care 
of the colony of 7 the past 2 years and socializing them, feeding and driving 
out to the site (not near my home).  Two or three have a shot for adoption (I 
have my own 4 indoor cats at home as well).  Please help in any way you can if 
possible and I do appreciate the smallest of donations as times are tough.  
Thanks


____
 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help for Goldie and Tiger/URL for chipin acct
 

Hi - it's on http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery
Thanks.  If you have any problems accessing it, let me know.  The photos are 
big and take up much of the space, so you have to move the screen to the right 
and you will see the chipin box.  


 From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help for Goldie and Tiger
 

Dot, where is your Chipin page located?  I haven't been paying attention lately.

 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!




________
 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help for Goldie and Tiger
 

Hi.  I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to raise money to help some 
of the cats in the Farmingdale colony that I have been taking care of for the 
past 2 years.  Two of them are in need of medical attention.  Goldie and Tiger. 
 Tiger has gotten much more affectionate and friendly with me the last 2 
months.  He lets me pick him up.  My goal is to adopt some of them out (some of 
the friendlier ones like him). I have been working on this goal for some time 
now.   But he has started to sneeze the last 2 months and I almost got him in 
the cage last week and this week I will surely catch him with the help of my 
sister.  I have gone through so much money this summer, I'm sure you all know 
the story, as I took in a stray from our neighborhood (now have 4 indoor cats). 
 Financially, I need some assistance with Tiger and Goldie.  I don't want to 
let them go the winter - Gldie obviously has something stuck in his mouth and 
probably needs anti b
 as well as a full workup.  I am hopeful that I can catch him also with a 
little persistance. Tiger shows much hope if vetted.  My sister-in-law has 
offered to  recover him.
 I have started a "CHIPIN" account.  I'm sure you all have seen it.  If anyone 
would like to donate and help out, it would be so much appreciated.  Tiger and 
Goldie would be relieved of their agony and it is heartbreaking to see them 
suffer with winter coming on.  I can't stand to watch it.  I want so much for 
the outcome of these cats to be a good one.  That is my goal.  If you find it 
in the goodness of your hearts to chip in even $1.00, it would be so wonderful 
as dollars add up.  Or if you have any other ideas of raising money.  I am in 
for surgery Nov 26th so time is of the essence as I have many dr appts and work 
is time-consuming.  Thanks to you all.  Dotty W.  Freehold, NJ





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[dot winkler]

Hi - it's on http://farmingdalecats.chipin.com/cat-rescue-and-recovery
Thanks.  If you have any problems accessing it, let me know.  The photos are 
big and take up much of the space, so you have to move the screen to the right 
and you will see the chipin box.  


 From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help for Goldie and Tiger
 

Dot, where is your Chipin page located?  I haven't been paying attention lately.

 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!




________
 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help for Goldie and Tiger
 

Hi.  I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to raise money to help some 
of the cats in the Farmingdale colony that I have been taking care of for the 
past 2 years.  Two of them are in need of medical attention.  Goldie and Tiger. 
 Tiger has gotten much more affectionate and friendly with me the last 2 
months.  He lets me pick him up.  My goal is to adopt some of them out (some of 
the friendlier ones like him). I have been working on this goal for some time 
now.   But he has started to sneeze the last 2 months and I almost got him in 
the cage last week and this week I will surely catch him with the help of my 
sister.  I have gone through so much money this summer, I'm sure you all know 
the story, as I took in a stray from our neighborhood (now have 4 indoor cats). 
 Financially, I need some assistance with Tiger and Goldie.  I don't want to 
let them go the winter - Gldie obviously has something stuck in his mouth and 
probably needs anti b
 as well as a full workup.  I am hopeful that I can catch him also with a 
little persistance. Tiger shows much hope if vetted.  My sister-in-law has 
offered to  recover him.
 I have started a "CHIPIN" account.  I'm sure you all have seen it.  If anyone 
would like to donate and help out, it would be so much appreciated.  Tiger and 
Goldie would be relieved of their agony and it is heartbreaking to see them 
suffer with winter coming on.  I can't stand to watch it.  I want so much for 
the outcome of these cats to be a good one.  That is my goal.  If you find it 
in the goodness of your hearts to chip in even $1.00, it would be so wonderful 
as dollars add up.  Or if you have any other ideas of raising money.  I am in 
for surgery Nov 26th so time is of the essence as I have many dr appts and work 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Help for Goldie and Tiger

[dot winkler]

Hi.  I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to raise money to help some 
of the cats in the Farmingdale colony that I have been taking care of for the 
past 2 years.  Two of them are in need of medical attention.  Goldie and Tiger. 
 Tiger has gotten much more affectionate and friendly with me the last 2 
months.  He lets me pick him up.  My goal is to adopt some of them out (some of 
the friendlier ones like him). I have been working on this goal for some time 
now.   But he has started to sneeze the last 2 months and I almost got him in 
the cage last week and this week I will surely catch him with the help of my 
sister.  I have gone through so much money this summer, I'm sure you all know 
the story, as I took in a stray from our neighborhood (now have 4 indoor cats). 
 Financially, I need some assistance with Tiger and Goldie.  I don't want to 
let them go the winter - Gldie obviously has something stuck in his mouth and 
probably needs anti b
 as well as a full workup.  I am hopeful that I can catch him also with a 
little persistance. Tiger shows much hope if vetted.  My sister-in-law has 
offered to  recover him.
 I have started a "CHIPIN" account.  I'm sure you all have seen it.  If anyone 
would like to donate and help out, it would be so much appreciated.  Tiger and 
Goldie would be relieved of their agony and it is heartbreaking to see them 
suffer with winter coming on.  I can't stand to watch it.  I want so much for 
the outcome of these cats to be a good one.  That is my goal.  If you find it 
in the goodness of your hearts to chip in even $1.00, it would be so wonderful 
as dollars add up.  Or if you have any other ideas of raising money.  I am in 
for surgery Nov 26th so time is of the essence as I have many dr appts and work 
is time-consuming.  Thanks to you all.  Dotty W.  Freehold, NJ



 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: Dawn Morrison  
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Advice
 

after the line about Pepcid, I got a bunch of gibberish, combination of numbers 
and letters and symbols.  what happened?


 Dawn Morrison  wrote: 
> I was confused by the cerenia because she is not vomiting but my vet said 
> maybe she is nauseous and that could be adding to her not wanting to eat. She 
> did mention it's 4 or 5 days on/off. Someone else suggested pepcid, which I 
> thought was odd but will bring it up 
> to my vet.
> Thanks for the food suggestions. I will try whatever I can. 
> This morning she was acting off again, although she did eat some dry food on 
> her own. It'll be a long weekend but I will do whatever I can for her. We 
> attempted to take her temp but that did not go so well. 
>  
>  
>  
> Friday, October 19, 2012 12:08 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: 
> 
> "Christiane Biagi" 
> 
> 
> 
> To: 
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sounds like ur vet is trying to gether to get rid of any infection.  In terms 
> of eating, I think ur vet is right on—give her anything she’ll eat.  Some 
> things I’ve used are Gerber stage2 ham, or turkey or beef (has no garlic or 
> onion—just plain); tuna “water” (from can); yogurt is good if she’ll take 
> it—helps with nausea/diarrhea from antibiotics.  All my cats seem to devour 
> Fancy Feast (chicken classic)—its like catnip! Lol  Basically, I go thru 
> refrig & try everything—cold cuts, cheese, cottage cheese—not necessarily the 
> best diet long term but I figure something is always better than nothing.  
> Sometimes, heating the food in micro just to get it warm (and smelly) helps.  
> There’s also the food trappers use to lure ferals—warm Kentucky Fried Chicken 
> (little warm pieces without bones).  Its not easy & very frustrating so hang 
> in there….  
>  
> 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sharyl
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:33 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice
>  
> 
> 
> Dee, I'm sorry your cat is having problems.  Cerenia is typically Rx'd as an 
> anti-emetic (vomiting).  Some vets also Rx it for nausea even though there 
> are better drugs to use for nausea.  Each kitty is unique and Cerenia does 
> seem to help fight nausea in some cats.  Most in the FAF yahoo group give it 
> for 4 days then take a day off.  Not sure what you vet recommended.  The FAF 
> list members have found Cerenia to be a very effective and safe anti-emetic.
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a link to a good vet article on meds used to control vomiting.  The 
> info on Cerenia is about 1/2 way down under the heading 'A new antiemetic 
> drug for dogs'.
> 
> http://veterinarycalendar.dvm360.com/avhc/content/printContentPopup.jsp?id=676860
> 
>  
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Sharyl
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: Dawn Morrison 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:50 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My 7yr old has up till

Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

[dot winkler]

Hi - can you tell me what Kirkland is?  Is it a brand of food?  Where do you 
buy it?



 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
 

i TRIED RABBIT FROM A NEIGHBOR WHO RAISES HIS ORGANIC FOR HIS OWN FOOD.  THEY 
LOOKED AT IT LIKE IT WAS ALIEN, WOULD NOT EVEN TOUCH IT.  I ONLY HAVE 7, BUT 
KEEPING ENOUGH MEAT FOR THEM WOULD BE A PROBLEM.  i HAVE A SIDE BY SIDE AND THE 
FREEZER IS NOT THAT LARGE.  AND GETTING IT OUT IN TIME TO THAW WOULD BE A 
PROBLEM WITH MY MEMORY.

 Lee Evans  wrote: 
> It would be nice if I could do that but I'm feeding around 35 cats right 
> now.  Feeding raw would cost me around $9 a day with turns into around $250 a 
> month.  On top of which, I would be a little nervous to feed raw chicken to 
> the cats.  Some of them probably wouldn't even understand what it was while 
> others might throw it up at first.  Cooked chicken would add about 3 hours 
> work to my day.  My freezer would be full of frozen chicken, not defrosted in 
> time for their dinner and I would go insane.

The dry food costs me about $100 - $150 a month.  With the price of Kirkland 
going up it would cost me about equal to that because they eat less of the 
Kirkland due to fat content.  Seems to fill them up better.  I used to buy 
Friskies regular type, and Purina Cat Chow (no one wanted to eat that).  Then I 
bought HEB brand Hill Country Fair and all the cats began throwing up in 
unison.  Stopped buying that also.  They seem to be able to digest Paws and 
Claws, the Tractor Supply brand that cost $20 for 36 pounds but the older ones 
lose weight when they eat it.  One of my cats, Isadora lost most of her fur 
(long hair) and had scabs and sores on her skin.  I began feeding Kirkland 
about 3 months ago and the other day I realized that Isadora had no more scabs 
and had grown back her fur.  The fat content did her a whole lot of good. She 
looks like she has gained a pound or two and is much more active. Mr. Buttons 
(Big Butt-tons) also gained weight on
>  Kirkland.  I need to widen the doorway for him.
I will probably have to keep buying the Kirkland and just work harder. 


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food


I'm curious as to how much you are spending per day per cat feeding dry.  I am 
able to feed raw for 70 cents/day per cat.  If you didn't buy the chicken from 
Whole Foods, which charges about twice as much as do, say local ethnic 
butchers, then you could roll in for around half that.   

I've heard they have to eat more dry than raw, as it isn't as high-octane of 
food.   Also, cats don't drink enough water to compensate for dry food, 
grain/starch-free or not, and stand a very good chance of ending up with CRF.  



On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Lee Evans  wrote:

Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be 
$16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb. 
bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my 
cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It went 
up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The crap I buy 
at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't have actual 
chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well, kitties, you're 
going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless Mommy can get another 
job online.  Sigh.
>
>
>
> 
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>neighbors too!
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV - COLITIS/REPLY WED NIGHT

[dot winkler]

No, he examined her thoroughly and said it is coming from the anus and showed 
me!  Some dripped on the exam table - secretions. It is more like a gel 
secretion. I mistook it for urine at first.  He said def colitis, that maybe 
she had eaten something to upset her colon.  Gave oral liquid anti b now and 
having hard time getting it down her - she squirms and has sharp, sharp teeth, 
so I fear she may not get as much as she should.  Iy yi yi



 From: Susan Hoffman 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV - COLITIS
 

Are you sure he did not say cystitis?  That would make more sense from your 
description of symptoms than colitis.


From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV - COLITIS




Hi - Vet said it is "colitis", not urinary.  Said she may have eaten something 
bad.  Changed the meds to liquid anti b.  (Not much better as she is a 
fighter!) No x-ray yet - he will wait to see how she does on the anti b.   
Thanks for the tip on the pill form - good idea for the future.  I actually got 
one in her today, though using he pet pockets and some Nutramen gel!  

He said doesn't think the colitis is from the leukemia, but that she will have 
a hard time fighting fever due to her immune system.  
From: Susan Hoffman 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence


Did the vet say whether she was retaining urine in the bladder?  Did he express 
the bladder?
 
With most pill meds you can break it up and put it in a 1 cc syringe with no 
needle, draw up a tiny amount of water, and let is dissolve.  I routinely 
liquify meds.

From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence


Any info on urinary incontinence in the FELV pos cat?  My cat Chloe is running 
a low grade temp since night before last.  Doc gave pill form of anti b (said 
doesn't have it in the liquid).  I gave one last night along with a bite to my 
finger!  I noticed  a trail of urine on the floor on her way to the litter box 
this morning.  I guess she missed it.  Hope we are not running into further 
complications.  

From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends


 
If I may offer some advice, don’t sedate!  My vet hates it because you never 
know how any cat may react…cats get more frightened by sedation, what’s 
happening to them, than a trip.  As long as their cage/carrier is covered, to 
make them feel safe, there’s not much of  problem.  I have been transporting 
cats by car and even on the plane in the cabin often, and never used sedation.  
Some cats were not exactly “tame”.
Natalie
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jamielynn Storch
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends
 
Just an update.  The rescue was unable to offer any assistance with the 
transport in the time frame needed so they are holding off on getting 2 of the 
cats there.  Instead I will be transporting an FIV+ stressed out kitty on my 
trek.  Wish me luck that his sedatives work!  

 
Thanks so much for the offer to help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV - COLITIS

[dot winkler]

Hi - Vet said it is "colitis", not urinary.  Said she may have eaten something 
bad.  Changed the meds to liquid anti b.  (Not much better as she is a 
fighter!) No x-ray yet - he will wait to see how she does on the anti b.   
Thanks for the tip on the pill form - good idea for the future.  I actually got 
one in her today, though using he pet pockets and some Nutramen gel!  

He said doesn't think the colitis is from the leukemia, but that she will have 
a hard time fighting fever due to her immune system.  


 From: Susan Hoffman 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence
 

Did the vet say whether she was retaining urine in the bladder?  Did he express 
the bladder?
 
With most pill meds you can break it up and put it in a 1 cc syringe with no 
needle, draw up a tiny amount of water, and let is dissolve.  I routinely 
liquify meds.

From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence


Any info on urinary incontinence in the FELV pos cat?  My cat Chloe is running 
a low grade temp since night before last.  Doc gave pill form of anti b (said 
doesn't have it in the liquid).  I gave one last night along with a bite to my 
finger!  I noticed  a trail of urine on the floor on her way to the litter box 
this morning.  I guess she missed it.  Hope we are not running into further 
complications.  

From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends


 
If I may offer some advice, don’t sedate!  My vet hates it because you never 
know how any cat may react…cats get more frightened by sedation, what’s 
happening to them, than a trip.  As long as their cage/carrier is covered, to 
make them feel safe, there’s not much of  problem.  I have been transporting 
cats by car and even on the plane in the cabin often, and never used sedation.  
Some cats were not exactly “tame”.
Natalie
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jamielynn Storch
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends
 
Just an update.  The rescue was unable to offer any assistance with the 
transport in the time frame needed so they are holding off on getting 2 of the 
cats there.  Instead I will be transporting an FIV+ stressed out kitty on my 
trek.  Wish me luck that his sedatives work!  

 
Thanks so much for the offer to help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence/REPLY

[dot winkler]

I'll look into the FLUTD today when at vet and on line for more info.  Thank 
you all for your info.  



 From: Terri Brown 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence
 

 
There is a yahoo group for FLUTD cats.  Great group.  Now that 
I'm FeLV free, I have a FLUTD boy (Travis).  Lucky me.
 
=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 
    
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^=
- Original Message - 
>From: Beth 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:27  AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary  incontinence
>
>
>Yes, I had a cat once who was doing this. She had a blockage &  had to have 
>surgery. It's a serious thing.
>
>
>Beth
>
> 
>Don't Litter, Fix Your  Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
>
>
>
>
> From: Terri Brown 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, September  19, 2012 11:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence
>
>
>  
>Chiming in on this one -- I'd have her tested for urinary crystals, just  to 
>be sure there's no FLUTD.  If there are no crystals and there is no  medical 
>reason for the leaking urine, it could be behavioral.
> 
>How old is the cat?
> 
>Terri B
> 
>=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie,  
>Samantha, 
>    
  Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
=^..^=
>- Original Message - 
>>From: dot  winkler 
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012  7:21 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary  incontinence
>>
>>
>>Any info on urinary incontinence in the FELV pos cat?  My  cat Chloe is 
>>running a low grade temp since night before last.  Doc  gave pill form of 
>>anti b (said doesn't have it in the liquid).  I gave  one last night along 
>>with a bite to my finger!  I noticed  a trail  of urine on the floor on her 
>>way to the litter box this morning.  I  guess she missed it.  Hope we are not 
>>running into further  complications.  
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chloe not eating/REPLY

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o.k.  No pawing at the mouth.  She wants to eat but just doesn't when the food is put down.  She is crying when I bring the plate over but then doesn't eat.  She is relatively acting okay - just the low grade fever and now the goopy sort of urine or something leaking out.  Vet app today.  ThanksFrom: GRAS  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Sent:
 Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chloe not eating   
A sign of stomatitis is usually pawing at the mouth when eating.    From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of BethSent: Tuesday, September 18,
 2012 5:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chloe not eating  Stomatitis will cause this behavior.BethDon't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:26 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends  Hi  My year and a half FELV pos Choe is suddenly as of last night not eating.  She seems hungry and runs to the bowl, but then just looks at it and doesn't seem to like what's in the bowl!  She seems a little growly too at the other cats.  And she keeps wanting to go outside for some reason but I won't let her as she would not come back in last night but luckily I got her in. Strange behavior for her.  What do you all think?  I am taking her to vet tonight.  She doesn't seem like she is lethargic so I am not sure running a fever.  What is the consensus?  Dotty - Freehold
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence

[dot winkler]

Any info on urinary incontinence in the FELV pos cat?  My cat Chloe is running 
a low grade temp since night before last.  Doc gave pill form of anti b (said 
doesn't have it in the liquid).  I gave one last night along with a bite to my 
finger!  I noticed  a trail of urine on the floor on her way to the litter box 
this morning.  I guess she missed it.  Hope we are not running into further 
complications.  



 From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends
 

If I may offer some advice, don’t sedate!  My vet hates it because you never 
know how any cat may react…cats get more frightened by sedation, what’s 
happening to them, than a trip.  As long as their cage/carrier is covered, to 
make them feel safe, there’s not much of  problem.  I have been transporting 
cats by car and even on the plane in the cabin often, and never used sedation.  
Some cats were not exactly “tame”.
Natalie
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jamielynn Storch
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends
 
Just an update.  The rescue was unable to offer any assistance with the 
transport in the time frame needed so they are holding off on getting 2 of the 
cats there.  Instead I will be transporting an FIV+ stressed out kitty on my 
trek.  Wish me luck that his sedatives work!  

 
Thanks so much for the offer to help.
-- 
Jamielynn  Storch
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV cat/REPLY

[dot winkler]

Hi, yes.  Took her to vet.  Gums are good.  Vet said she looks pretty good 
otherwise.  Eyes are clear.  She did have a low grade fever of 102.  he gave 
anti b. and ran some more blood work.  My other cat, Kitty was sick last week 
with a fever so vet says she may have picked it up being her immune system so 
low with the leuk.  Thanks



 From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV cat
 
Did you check her gums for Stomatitis? This is common with FelV cats,
and if her teeth & gums are sore she won't want to eat no matter how
hungry she is.

On 09-18, dot winkler wrote:
>    Hi  My year and a half FELV pos Choe is suddenly as of last night not
>    eating.  She seems hungry and runs to the bowl, but then just looks at
>    it and doesn't seem to like what's in the bowl!  She seems a little
>    growly too at the other cats.  And she keeps wanting to go outside for
>    some reason but I won't let her as she would not come back in last
>    night but luckily I got her in. Strange behavior for her.  What do you
>    all think?  I am taking her to vet tonight.  She doesn't seem like she
>    is lethargic so I am not sure running a fever.  What is the consensus?
>     Dotty - Freehold

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa)/REPLY

[dot winkler]

Yes, that ino does help.  Thanks.  I'll look for the Nutra-Cal.  Is it sort of 
like "Ensure"?  Or is it that brown gel like substance that comes in a tube?  I 
used to give my one cat who had hepatitis that stuff.  Don't know if it's the 
same.  I'll check it out.  It's funny but Chloe, FELV pos does not like the dry 
Sci Diet food that much.  She prefers wet food.  She's very finicky and i go 
thru lots of cans for her since she is so fussy.  



 From: Lisa Conner 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa)
 

 
 
I used Nutra-Cal for my Felv kitty, Prancer that just passed away. He lived for 
over 9 years!  I ordered it from my Vet or Entirely Pets.com.  Also,  I used 
Interferon for many years and this was  only $25.00 for a bottle, the bottle 
lasted for about 2 months for his size (10 lbs).   Prancer did not like wet 
food and I typically fed him Science Diet or Purina One.  I know that is a bit 
pricey for some on a budget, but I swear by it for a Felv catJ  
 
I also used these for a Felv Kitten (3 weeks old) that somebody threw out on 
the street and I was lucky enough to be walking the dog when they dumped the 
kitten off.   A friend of mine adopted the kitten and we are waiting to retest 
the kitten.  The kitten is doing great!  Cisco actually had hookworms and I 
found out from the vet that hookworms can kill a kitten!!  Hope this 
information helps!
 
Lisa Conner
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends

[dot winkler]

Hi  My year and a half FELV pos Choe is suddenly as of last night not eating.  
She seems hungry and runs to the bowl, but then just looks at it and doesn't 
seem to like what's in the bowl!  She seems a little growly too at the other 
cats.  And she keeps wanting to go outside for some reason but I won't let her 
as she would not come back in last night but luckily I got her in. Strange 
behavior for her.  What do you all think?  I am taking her to vet tonight.  She 
doesn't seem like she is lethargic so I am not sure running a fever.  What is 
the consensus?  Dotty - Freehold



 From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends
 

Yes, Feliway is really good.  I thought that they would be medicated with 
something not being good.
I also make sure to spray at least an hour before the cats go into their 
carrier – if it’s too fresh, they hate it!
Have a safe trip!
Natalie
 
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends
 
I find that a product called At Ease or Feloway work very well when sprayed 
into the carrier about a half hour before you put the cat in.  Allow it the 
time to dry, never spray while cat is inside. It really calms them down.  I do 
this when transporting to the vet.  Makes a big difference between having a 
panicked cat in a carrier traveling for a few miles and having a lay back cat 
having a nap on the way.  The worst it can do is nothing.  It's not harmful and 
the cats all react much the same, either calm or not as stressed out as they 
would be.
 
 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!
 



From:Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends
 
If I may offer some advice, don’t sedate!  My vet hates it because you never 
know how any cat may react…cats get more frightened by sedation, what’s 
happening to them, than a trip.  As long as their cage/carrier is covered, to 
make them feel safe, there’s not much of  problem.  I have been transporting 
cats by car and even on the plane in the cabin often, and never used sedation.  
Some cats were not exactly “tame”.
Natalie
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Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends
 
Just an update.  The rescue was unable to offer any assistance with the 
transport in the time frame needed so they are holding off on getting 2 of the 
cats there.  Instead I will be transporting an FIV+ stressed out kitty on my 
trek.  Wish me luck that his sedatives work!  

 
Thanks so much for the offer to help.
-- 
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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/FREE FOOD

[dot winkler]

MailMail pg - ok  I read further your e-mail.  That is  a good idea - I'll 
visit Petco where I buy my indoor cats food.  And see if they can donate any 
torn or damaged bags.  Anything in particular i should tell them about what i 
am doing or why that would help them want to give me free food? 

I also was watching the tv show "Extreme Couponing".  One woman bought boxes 
and boxes of cat food at the supermarket for free with her coupons - it is 
science they have down pat.  Dotty



 From: MaiMaiPG 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
 

Or expired food.  It is still good.

On Aug 28, 2012, at 6:31 PM, GRAS wrote:

You can always go to a large pet supply store and ask if they have any 
torn/damaged bags of dry food – most will gladly donate them.
> 
>That’s right, chip in is a GRRREAT idea, Beth!
>Go to www.chipin.com – you’d be surprised what people collect money for, a 
>party, a present for someone, and serious stuff!
>From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
>Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
> 
>Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in 
>Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You 
>could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food.
> 
>Beth
> 
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> 
> 
>
>
>
>From: dot winkler 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
> 
>Hi  I was reading your mail.  What did you mean about "that is the price of 
>free food?"  Do you receive food free for feeding the cats?  I do not TNR.  I 
>don't belong to any program.  Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats.  (they are 
>all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each 
>week.  Money I don't have.  It is getting to be a bad situation for me.  
> 
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/QUESTION

[dot winkler]

mailmail pg - Hi.  Reading your email, how do you get the free food.  I still 
don't quite understand.  You also vet them as you said.  Please explain.  Are 
they ferals that you have trapped and kept indoors?  Or do you mean that you 
trap them, neuter and release and vet them when necessary?  Sorry - I did not 
understand and am trying to learn some things so that I can help my 7 outdoor 
cats.  dotty



 From: MaiMaiPG 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
 

The cats get free food, shelter and the best care we can provide cats that have 
to be trapped to be vetted.  I can provide worming and some other things 
without touching them but they are cautiousas they should be.  It has kept 
them alive for a long time and allowed them to have a good life ... not the 
life I would like for them but the life they are born to.  If they are going to 
eat and enjoy the protection we can give them, they make the trip to the vet.  
Some have managed to avoid trapping for really long times but I do insist and, 
eventually, they make that trip.

We don't have a lot of money either so I do understand.  Right now there are 6 
ferals plus those who wander by and go on.  We don't belong to a program 
either.  We just believe this is something we need to do.  Otherwise there 
would be zillions of cats/kittens here and finding homes is almost impossible.  
I have always had house cats who were feral at one time and consider them the 
smartest of cats but they are all very independent...even those that came in 
when they were very little kittens.  Unfortunately, most people want cats who 
are lap cats or less independent or whatever and don't want to spend the time 
necessary with ferals.  

  

On Aug 28, 2012, at 3:21 PM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi  I was reading your mail.  What did you mean about "that is the price of 
free food?"  Do you receive food free for feeding the cats?  I do not TNR.  I 
don't belong to any program.  Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats.  (they are 
all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each 
week.  Money I don't have.  It is getting to be a bad situation for me.  
>
>
>
>
> From: MaiMaiPG 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
> 
>
>Dozens of years re feeding.  We trap, s/n and release.  That is the price of 
>free food.  I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends.  When I 
>moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at 
>that house.  I visited when I could and furnished the food.  We have fed 
>ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember.  And calling a shelter will 
>probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for.  
>
>On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote:
>
>Hi.  I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - 
>I didn't see any replies.
>>I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat 
>>feeding.  I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now.
>>I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and 
>>will have a very difficult postop recovery.  I have no-one else to feed the 
>>cats.  I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the 
>>newspaper to expose their plight.  Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility 
>>would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper.  I 
>>also could try to help in the adoption process.  ALSO, my other question is, 
>>how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats?  I am thinking this 
>>cannot go on forever.  Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I 
>>can't find adoptions?  Any input on this, would be great.  Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Marta Gasper 
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites?
>> 
>>
>>I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other 
>>conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it 
>>for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we 
>>lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from 
>>the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein 
>>content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded 
>>that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his 
>>sister also got a FIP dx, 

Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale/OK/WED REPLY OK

[dot winkler]

Yes, o.k. Natalie -that is stupendously wonderful.  Thank you so much.  When 
you get time.  Wow. 80 cats!  Where do you take care of these 80 cats?  Dotty.  
 I copied your e-mail also for future.  


 From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale/OK
 

Not for now – I will use what you wrote – and copy you, OK?  Will do it after I 
take care of our 80 cats (inside), and a few special needs with meds and fluids.
Natalie
If you want to contact me directly, please use my new address (am slowly easing 
out of my old one).
My new email address is:    atia@gmail.com
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale/OK
 
Hi.  That would be great Natalie.  They can use this e-mail.  My home number is 
732 780 5530 and cell is 732 610 2098.  The surgery date is not yet set as I 
have been putting it off due to the cats which I can't just abandon.  I go to 
doc tonight for possible shot of cortisone to get me through another 3 or 4 
months painfree.  The surgery is arthroscopy for calcific tendinitis and the 
recovery is very difficult and painful.  I went through it 5 years ago with the 
other arm.  thanks so much - you guys are great , Dotty     Any other info?  
 



From:Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale
 
Dot,
I have access to a large nationwide Animal SOS Alert group – I could put your 
plea out there.  There are an amazing number of animal-caring people in NJ who 
either belong to rescue groups or work on their own..There’s bound to be 
someone in that area.
Just give me the word, and I will do it (I am in CT). 
Your e-mail address will be the contact. 
How about your telephone number?  And the date starting with the need for 
someone to do the feeding (your surgery)?
Natalie
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale
 
Hi  Lorrie - The cats are in the Farmingdale area, NJ.  I live in neighboring 
town, Freehold, NJ.  Please, please if there is anyone in this group who live 
near this area, please contact me.  It would be such a wonderful thing.  Dotty
 



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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply

[dot winkler]

Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food?  Or how do I get it 
at cost?  I work alone and don't belong to an organization.  thanks, Dot



 From: Beth 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
 

Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in 
Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You 
could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food.


Beth

 
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 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
 

Hi  I was reading your mail.  What did you mean about "that is the price of 
free food?"  Do you receive food free for feeding the cats?  I do not TNR.  I 
don't belong to any program.  Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats.  (they are 
all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each 
week.  Money I don't have.  It is getting to be a bad situation for me.  






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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale/OK

[dot winkler]

Hi.  That would be great Natalie.  They can use this e-mail.  My home number is 
732 780 5530 and cell is 732 610 2098.  The surgery date is not yet set as I 
have been putting it off due to the cats which I can't just abandon.  I go to 
doc tonight for possible shot of cortisone to get me through another 3 or 4 
months painfree.  The surgery is arthroscopy for calcific tendinitis and the 
recovery is very difficult and painful.  I went through it 5 years ago with the 
other arm.  thanks so much - you guys are great , Dotty     Any other info?  



 From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale
 

Dot,
I have access to a large nationwide Animal SOS Alert group – I could put your 
plea out there.  There are an amazing number of animal-caring people in NJ who 
either belong to rescue groups or work on their own..There’s bound to be 
someone in that area.
Just give me the word, and I will do it (I am in CT). 
Your e-mail address will be the contact. 
How about your telephone number?  And the date starting with the need for 
someone to do the feeding (your surgery)?
Natalie
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale
 
Hi  Lorrie - The cats are in the Farmingdale area, NJ.  I live in neighboring 
town, Freehold, NJ.  Please, please if there is anyone in this group who live 
near this area, please contact me.  It would be such a wonderful thing.  Dotty
 



From:Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight

Please do NOT involve animal control.  Shelters everywhere are FULL and
these cats will be euthanized.  Are any of them socialized (tame) or are
they feral?  Ferals are not adoptable. I've been feeding and TNR a colony of
feral cats for 10 years now.  They count on you for food. Where are you
located. Perhaps some of the people in this group can pitch in and help
while you recover.


On 08-27, dot winkler wrote:
>    Hi.  I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went
>    thru - I didn't see any replies.
>    I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray)
>    cat feeding.  I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now.
>    I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6
>    weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery.  I have no-one
>    else to feed the cats.  I am thinking of calling some shelters and
>    maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight.  Perhaps
>    some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got
>    the proper exposure from the newspaper.  I also could try to help in
>    the adoption process.  ALSO, my other question is, how long have people
>    been feeding their outdoor cats?  I am thinking this cannot go on
>    forever.  Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't
>    find adoptions?  Any input on this, would be great.  Thanks
>      __
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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale

[dot winkler]

Hi  Lorrie - The cats are in the Farmingdale area, NJ.  I live in neighboring 
town, Freehold, NJ.  Please, please if there is anyone in this group who live 
near this area, please contact me.  It would be such a wonderful thing.  Dotty



 From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
 
Please do NOT involve animal control.  Shelters everywhere are FULL and
these cats will be euthanized.  Are any of them socialized (tame) or are
they feral?  Ferals are not adoptable. I've been feeding and TNR a colony of
feral cats for 10 years now.  They count on you for food. Where are you
located. Perhaps some of the people in this group can pitch in and help
while you recover.


On 08-27, dot winkler wrote:
>    Hi.  I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went
>    thru - I didn't see any replies.
>    I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray)
>    cat feeding.  I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now.
>    I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6
>    weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery.  I have no-one
>    else to feed the cats.  I am thinking of calling some shelters and
>    maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight.  Perhaps
>    some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got
>    the proper exposure from the newspaper.  I also could try to help in
>    the adoption process.  ALSO, my other question is, how long have people
>    been feeding their outdoor cats?  I am thinking this cannot go on
>    forever.  Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't
>    find adoptions?  Any input on this, would be great.  Thanks
>      __
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?

[dot winkler]

Hi  I was reading your mail.  What did you mean about "that is the price of 
free food?"  Do you receive food free for feeding the cats?  I do not TNR.  I 
don't belong to any program.  Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats.  (they are 
all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each 
week.  Money I don't have.  It is getting to be a bad situation for me.  



 From: MaiMaiPG 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
 

Dozens of years re feeding.  We trap, s/n and release.  That is the price of 
free food.  I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends.  When I 
moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at 
that house.  I visited when I could and furnished the food.  We have fed ferals 
at Mom's for as long as I can remember.  And calling a shelter will probably 
result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for.  

On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi.  I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - 
I didn't see any replies.
>I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat 
>feeding.  I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now.
>I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and 
>will have a very difficult postop recovery.  I have no-one else to feed the 
>cats.  I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the 
>newspaper to expose their plight.  Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility 
>would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper.  I 
>also could try to help in the adoption process.  ALSO, my other question is, 
>how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats?  I am thinking this 
>cannot go on forever.  Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I 
>can't find adoptions?  Any input on this, would be great.  Thanks
>
>
>
>
> From: Marta Gasper 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites?
> 
>
>I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other 
>conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it 
>for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we 
>lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from 
>the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein 
>content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded 
>that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his 
>sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous 
>fluid, no cancer.
>I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten 
> 
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>
>
> From: Forgotten Felines 
>To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites?
> 
>
>My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me 
>it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV?
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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/REPLY FROM DOTTY

[dot winkler]

Thanks all for your tips.  There are at least 4 FRIENDLYs in the group of 7.  
So I feel those are adoptable.  I have yet to find anyone to help feed.  Alley 
cats send me a list.  I have to go through it one by one. have a few more 
contacts from another organization.  No bites yet.  Just one saying " i can 
mayb swing by once in a while, et etc)  No real committments.  It is all so 
very time consuming.  And in the meantime, doc appointmets, work and I am 
feeling very, very stressed at this point and overwhelmed.  I'll re-read all of 
the mail you all sent with your advice and try to follow some of the tips.  
Dotty



 From: Beth 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
 

Do you have any local animal rescue web talk boards? I helped a lady out who 
posted about needing a feeder for her feral colony over Christmas. Also check 
with local rescues. Most of them all ready have colonies they feed or have 
volunteers who feed colonies. They can sub
I've had my outside ferals for years. If I moved I would have to trap & 
re-locate them. I'm not leaving them.

Beth

 
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 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
 

Hi.  I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - 
I didn't see any replies.
I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat 
feeding.  I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now.
I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and 
will have a very difficult postop recovery.  I have no-one else to feed the 
cats.  I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the 
newspaper to expose their plight.  Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility 
would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper.  I 
also could try to help in the adoption process.  ALSO, my other question is, 
how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats?  I am thinking this 
cannot go on forever.  Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I 
can't find adoptions?  Any input on this, would be great.  Thanks






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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight

[dot winkler]

Hi.  I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - 
I didn't see any replies.
I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat 
feeding.  I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now.
I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and 
will have a very difficult postop recovery.  I have no-one else to feed the 
cats.  I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the 
newspaper to expose their plight.  Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility 
would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper.  I 
also could try to help in the adoption process.  ALSO, my other question is, 
how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats?  I am thinking this 
cannot go on forever.  Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I 
can't find adoptions?  Any input on this, would be great.  Thanks



 From: Marta Gasper 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites?
 

I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. 
Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein 
content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two 
kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first 
one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was 
FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had 
pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got 
a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer.
I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten 
 
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 From: Forgotten Felines 
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites?
 

My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me 
it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/WHAT IS STOMATITIS? MY FELV CAT IS FINICKY

[dot winkler]

Hi  Can you all tell me what the stomatitis thing is. I have been reading some 
of your mail.  My felv pos cat has been finicky the past month.  Is this one of 
the symptoms of the disease progressing?  Asked one vet and he said he didn't 
think so.  This was a travelling vet I had to use recently for one of my other 
cats who I could not get in the carrying case.  Sorry for sounding nieve about 
this but it is all new to me.  Chlor felv is a year and a half and a little on 
the small side and looks thin to me lately.  Dotty


 From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 

Holistic Stomatitis Protocol

Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones.   These the 
supplements we've been using, but it doesn't mean some aren't optional.  What 
seemed to turn things around was one course of antibiotics along with Coptis 
Purge Fire.  You may have to continue with Coptis Purge Fire forever.   We've 
just gotten rid of the stomatitis symptoms and have not tried stopping the 
supplements.   It's better than extractions, which some say only work 50% of 
the time, and are expensive and invasive to boot.


Supplements
Health Concerns  Coptis Purge Fire (2 tablets if 1 doesn't work)
CoQ10  30mg (Dr. Clark)
Vitamin A  25000 IU (Metagenics Mycelized Drops)
Vitamin E (dry, no soy)  200 IU (may be optional)
Lysine  500mg
Standard Process Whole Body Support  1/2 to 1 tablet
Standard Process Immune Support  1 tablet
Tumeric  450mg   1/2 capsule  

Can also try:
Colostrum 100mg / Lactoferrin 10mg (separate from food)


Palliative Homeopathy
(as opposed to Classical---not really recommended, but here for completeness)
Mercurius 30C


Meds
Antibiotics if really, really bad infections.  Can do it once to get things to 
a level at which the cat can recover with supplements.  Use probiotics 
separately (that is, at least an hour apart) for stomach flora.


Cleanings
Non-anesthetic sonic cleanings to keep gums clean.  In Los Angeles, Kim Haba is 
an excellent dental tech (see below) who can do such cleanings.  Don't feed 
ground bones if they are getting caught in any gum pockets; use calcium 
carbonate supplments instead to balance the Ca:Phos ratio (about 1400 mg per 
pound of ground meat).


Topical
Oxyfresh in the water.


Pus in gums: Myrhh. Make a dilution by adding 1 teaspoon of the tincture (the 
alcoholic extract) to a cup of water. Gently apply this to the gums once or 
twice a day. Either use a soft toothbrush or, if the gums are too sensitive for 
this, flush the gums with this solution using a syringe.


Diet
Raw diet, per http://catnutrition.org   My recipe with local suppliers 
available on request from khargrea...@gmail.com    



Developed with the help of Dr. Audra MacCorkle http://holisticanimaldoctor.com  
and the forum folks on http://holisticat.com


Dental cleanings in the Los Angeles area:
Four Paws Dental Care
Anesthesia Free Teeth Cleaning for Dogs and Cats
Kim Haba
310-699.0036
k...@fourpawsdentalcare.com





On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Natalie  wrote:

Kathryn,
>I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
>that I saved it, but can’t find it.
>I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
>case is severe, one just a little.  
>However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/REPLY/thanks reply

[dot winkler]

Thank you all for all of your input and advice.  I do plan on moving the 
feeding station soon.  I had planned on it anyway this spring for other reasons 
and cleaning it good or getting a new bin altogether. Yeah, you're right - the 
cats know to stay away from the raccoons.  So, I think that they are leary to 
go in b/c they wouldn't want a close encounter with that guy!  The feed station 
is behind some boards in a lean-to structure.  I haven't seen the big guy for 
about 3 weeks now though so maybe it moved on along.

What I'd like to do is ask the owner of the property (it's on land with a 
nearby restaraunt) if my husband can build a larger type shed on the property 
with shelves and hang-out areas for the cats - insulate it.  So that they have 
a place that is better to go in the winter months and all can hang out there - 
like a mini-barn.  Of course, my husband is balking at that idea already, not 
to mention the cost!  He is a carpenter and could build anything.  And i 
don't know how the owner of the property would like it either since he is not 
that thrilled at the whole thing anyway - just tolerating me and the cats.  But 
it would look a lot better than all the little houses and lean-to's we 
constructed for them around the grounds.  



 From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/REPLY
 

It probably IS the raccoon.  They took one look and said to themselves, "Don't 
mess with that guy!!"  You might want to spray something like At Ease on the 
new feeder but don't get it into the food.  Just give the outside walls of the 
bin a little spritz.  I spray At Ease in my cat carriers an hour or so before I 
put a cat in to go to the vet.  It really makes a difference.  I don't think 
it's the skunks. Mostly, cats don't mind that odor because they are too 
intelligent and polite to get themselves sprayed.  It's dogs who will bounce up 
to a skunk, barking like crazy and end up having to take a bath in tomato 
juice. :-)




 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/REPLY
 

Hi.  I was the one who wrote that e-mail.  I just read your response.  I'm 
telling you that the cats are afraid to go in there now - into the bin with the 
dry food now that I have started refilling it.  They are not even eating it.  
It is fresh food  as i just refilled it.  I tried to coax one of the cats to go 
in and he backed off.  They are skittish lately.  Because that raccoon was so 
large and not afraid of anything - it was running around in the area where 
their little houses were and coming right up to their meat while they were 
eating in daytime hours.  Perhaps it is the skunk smell that also is around but 
that never seemed to bother them in the past.  ???Dotty


 From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

I can't find the email from someone who thinks that the cats are avoiding the 
food because the feeding dish/station smells from raccoon.  This is definitely 
NOT the cause of the cats avoiding the food.  It's probably the food.  It may 
be stale or they are just tired of the flavor.  When I was feeding colonies, 
the cats and raccoons were eating side by side, except when a raccoon got too 
greedy and chased the cats away.  But the cats always returned to what was left 
of the food and finished it off.


From: MaiMaiPG 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


Door on a timer?  However, my bet is on the coons.


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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/REPLY

[dot winkler]

Hi.  I was the one who wrote that e-mail.  I just read your response.  I'm 
telling you that the cats are afraid to go in there now - into the bin with the 
dry food now that I have started refilling it.  They are not even eating it.  
It is fresh food  as i just refilled it.  I tried to coax one of the cats to go 
in and he backed off.  They are skiddish lately.  Because that raccoon was so 
large and not afraid of anything - it was running around in the area where 
their little houses were and coming right up to their meat while they were 
eating in daytime hours.  Perhaps it is the skunk smell that also is around but 
that never seemed to bother them in the past.  ???Dotty



 From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

I can't find the email from someone who thinks that the cats are avoiding the 
food because the feeding dish/station smells from raccoon.  This is definitely 
NOT the cause of the cats avoiding the food.  It's probably the food.  It may 
be stale or they are just tired of the flavor.  When I was feeding colonies, 
the cats and raccoons were eating side by side, except when a raccoon got too 
greedy and chased the cats away.  But the cats always returned to what was left 
of the food and finished it off.


From: MaiMaiPG 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


Door on a timer?  However, my bet is on the coons.

On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi - well, I don't think I can bring the dry food in at night.  Because i would 
have to make two trips to the cat area, instead of one.  One trip is to bring 
the meat to them.  If I did that in the evening then I could bring in the dry 
food but then i would have to come the next morning to put the dry food back 
and then another time that day to bring it in again.  I live the next town over 
and work schedule is rough so once a day is pushing it as it  is!  Thanks for 
all your suggestions.  What did you mean about the RAMP?  I was not sure I 
understood.  Just thought of something - wouldn't it be cool if I could devise 
a door that would shut automatically each night so nothing could get in the dry 
food station and then open in the morning!  L.O.L.  dotty
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/placing the stray cats/re[ply

[dot winkler]

Hi Marta - I can't keep all the 7 stray cats though I would love to take them 
all home with me! Because they are so cute and have names, too.Maybe if I had a 
large farm!  I have three other cats already at home and one is FIV pos and the 
other FELV pos.  The third is healthy.  I don't think 10 cats in my small cape 
cod house would be good anyways. The two cats i have at home are indoor/outdoor 
cats so I can't bring the strays into my yard either. They would all fight.  I 
will have to do some research about all this as I shudder to think of another 
winter for the strays.  I have built them shelters but they are not heated!  We 
were just lucky this past winter was mild with little snow.  I shudder to think 
of an ice storm or something.  i don't know if they would all make it or not.  



 From: Marta Gasper 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/placing the stray 
cats
 

<>
 
I always pipe up when somebody says that cats sit in cages at shelter/in jail, 
etc..well that is true of kill shelters and some no-kills. And BTW not all open 
policy shelters put the cat in the cage and leave it there.
 
No-kills specially know very well that an animal can't live in a cage. I don't 
work at a shelter but am close friends with a nk and several HS's. Cats don't 
do well in cages for an extended period of time. While medicating and being 
socialized, acclimated and other changes, yes, they have to be.
But it is dangerous actually to hold animals in cages b/c of stress which leads 
to disease. They know that or should know it.
Depending on room cats are taken out of the cages and let roam in rooms, 
ussualy are in for the night. At the no-kill the only cats in cages are sick 
ones or baby kittens. Even fractious cats they separate in groups in small 
rooms. For instance one year ago the nk shelter took one of my rescue cats, she 
was tame but has a very short fuse. She was in a cage during quarantine(10 
days) and that was it. Afterwards shared a room with one cat she could bear, 
doesn't like much other cats.
She'd swipe at people too so she needed an understanding owner, finally last 
week that family showed up and she was adopted.
In your situation I'd ask a  no-kill shelter, true most are full but you never 
know. Unless you wish to keep all the cats, which probably for them is the best 
alternative. Where are you at?
Marta
 
 
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I was going to suggest a ramp, but alas, the coons could also use it.  

RE:  taking them to a no kill shelter, if it is like the ones around here, they 
are not able to take on any more dogs or cats.  Everyone who has lost ajob, 
home and has to move in with relatives, brings their animals to the shelter.  
You are right, they would have to spend some time there especially if they are 
not socialized.  That takes time and that means time in cages.  I took 2 from 
P.A.L.S..  I had gone to see about 1 cat and ended up with both Lil Bit and 
Casey.  They had been in an 8 x 10 cage with about 6 or 8 other cats for over a 
year.  Lil Bit is just now moving around the house because she is so small 
(6lbs) and timid and Casey is getting used to NOT being allowed to bully 
everyone.  I just wish people would bring a short letter giving
 information about their pets so the adopter would understand why they are the 
way they are.  Often they are misunderstood and end up back at the shelter 
because people do not have the patience to try to understand them


 dot winkler  wrote: 
> Speaking of all this about the raccoon, anyways, wish I could find homes for 
> the 7 cats i feed every day.  They are all so beautiful and quite healthy 
> looking with all the meat i feed them and the dry food.  At least 3 of them 
> are very friendly and the others are coming around, too.  Anyone have any 
> input about how to place these cats?  I hate to bring them to a shelter even 
> if it's no kill.  They will just sit in a cage until they get adopted for god 
> knows how long.  It's very hard feeding every day.  It's just me and my 
> husband.  We can
 never go away anywhere now because of it.  What are your experiences?  Dotty






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[dot winkler]

Speaking of all this about the raccoon, anyways, wish I could find homes for 
the 7 cats i feed every day.  They are all so beautiful and quite healthy 
looking with all the meat i feed them and the dry food.  At least 3 of them are 
very friendly and the others are coming around, too.  Anyone have any input 
about how to place these cats?  I hate to bring them to a shelter even if it's 
no kill.  They will just sit in a cage until they get adopted for god knows how 
long.  It's very hard feeding every day.  It's just me and my husband.  We can 
never go away anywhere now because of it.  What are your experiences?  Dotty


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 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

Hi - well, I don't think I can bring the dry food in at night.  Because i would 
have to make two trips to the cat area, instead of one.  One trip is to bring 
the meat to them.  If I did that in the evening then I could bring in the dry 
food but then i would have to come the next morning to put the dry food back 
and then another time that day to bring it in again.  I live the next town over 
and work schedule is rough so once a day is pushing it as it  is!  Thanks for 
all your suggestions.  What did you mean about the RAMP?  I was not sure I 
understood.  Just thought of something - wouldn't it be cool if I could devise 
a door that would shut automatically each night so nothing could get in the dry 
food station and then open in the morning!  L.O.L.  dotty



 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
I feed the birds, so I also feed raccoons since they clean up what the birds 
don't get or drop.  I also get possums coming for the seed.  They both come to 
the feeders especially during a dry spell because I also put out water for the 
birds.  They come all during the day, especially the young ones who have just 
been weaned.  When they find an easy source of food, they will keep coming 
back.  Maybe try moving the food to a different location, confuse them?  Coons 
are smart, scheming little kids.  I had one that sekt stealing the bait out of 
a trap, so I watched all night and caught her.  She entered the trap, sucked in 
her stomachso she would not trip the door and reached across the trip plate, 
took the food and backed out.  Next night, I wired the bait to the floor of the 
trap and in the struggle to get it, she sprung the trap.  Big Momma, another 
(35lbs) kept getting in my seed can.  She would open
 it and let the babies in to eat.  Tried using straps from pick up.  She chewed 
thru them.  Brought it inside and she tried to turn the door handle so she 
could get in to it.  
Maybe you cold make a ramp - no, coons would jucst use it too.  I will ask Perk 
(an old timer round here who used to hunt them)  maybe he can come up with 
something.  Have you thought of bringing the dry food in at night and once the 
cats got used to the feeding schedule, they would not come for food at night.
 Natalie  wrote: 
>  
> 
> Yes, raccoons are mostly nocturnal, but when they have young ones, they can
> also be seen during the day, looking for more food. This makes many people
> call ACOs when they see raccoons during the day, wrongly assuming that
> there's something wrong with
 them, like rabies, distemper.
> 
>  
> 
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:17 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
> 
>  
> 
> They are and they are a royal pain.  
> 
> On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in
> a different place & putting dry food out for
 the Opossums. Also I feed the
> ferals during the day & the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons
> are nocturnal like opossums
> 
>  
> 
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: dot winkler 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
> 
>  
> 
> Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to
> keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7
> outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food
> every night in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some
> meat and throw 

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

[dot winkler]

Don't worry - I have no intention of trapping and relocating the raccoon.  It 
could have babies.  And I have my hands full with the cats so i don't need more 
work!!!  l.o.l.  



 From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
 

Please don’t trap this time of year, they could still have babies somewhere…and 
depending on the state, laws may prohibit relocation of wildlife (as in CT).
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
 
Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just restarted 
the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid to trap it - it 
may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons can't jump or climb but 
also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this.  Dotty
 



From:MaiMaiPG 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
 
Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that coons can 
destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and 
relocate it?  
On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:


Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive over 
there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could have noise 
at night to deter the critters!  Thanks
 



From:Martha Walton 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, 
maybe it would help with the cat situation?
 
 
 

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[dot winkler]

Hi - well, I don't think I can bring the dry food in at night.  Because i would 
have to make two trips to the cat area, instead of one.  One trip is to bring 
the meat to them.  If I did that in the evening then I could bring in the dry 
food but then i would have to come the next morning to put the dry food back 
and then another time that day to bring it in again.  I live the next town over 
and work schedule is rough so once a day is pushing it as it  is!  Thanks for 
all your suggestions.  What did you mean about the RAMP?  I was not sure I 
understood.  Just thought of something - wouldn't it be cool if I could devise 
a door that would shut automatically each night so nothing could get in the dry 
food station and then open in the morning!  L.O.L.  dotty



 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
I feed the birds, so I also feed raccoons since they clean up what the birds 
don't get or drop.  I also get possums coming for the seed.  They both come to 
the feeders especially during a dry spell because I also put out water for the 
birds.  They come all during the day, especially the young ones who have just 
been weaned.  When they find an easy source of food, they will keep coming 
back.  Maybe try moving the food to a different location, confuse them?  Coons 
are smart, scheming little kids.  I had one that sekt stealing the bait out of 
a trap, so I watched all night and caught her.  She entered the trap, sucked in 
her stomachso she would not trip the door and reached across the trip plate, 
took the food and backed out.  Next night, I wired the bait to the floor of the 
trap and in the struggle to get it, she sprung the trap.  Big Momma, another 
(35lbs) kept getting in my seed can.  She would open it and let the babies in 
to eat.  Tried
 using straps from pick up.  She chewed thru them.  Brought it inside and she 
tried to turn the door handle so she could get in to it.  
Maybe you cold make a ramp - no, coons would jucst use it too.  I will ask Perk 
(an old timer round here who used to hunt them)  maybe he can come up with 
something.  Have you thought of bringing the dry food in at night and once the 
cats got used to the feeding schedule, they would not come for food at night.
 Natalie  wrote: 
>  
> 
> Yes, raccoons are mostly nocturnal, but when they have young ones, they can
> also be seen during the day, looking for more food. This makes many people
> call ACOs when they see raccoons during the day, wrongly assuming that
> there's something wrong with them, like rabies, distemper.
> 
>  
> 
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:17 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
> 
>  
> 
> They are and they are a royal pain.  
> 
> On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in
> a different place & putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the
> ferals during the day & the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons
> are nocturnal like opossums
> 
>  
> 
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: dot winkler 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
> 
>  
> 
> Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to
> keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7
> outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food
> every night in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some
> meat and throw away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food
> for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in
> case I can't get there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some
> constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and
> there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please
> let me know.  I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have
> to do with helping cats.  Dotty - Freehold, NJ
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 


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[dot winkler]

Yes, you are right.  I think the raccoon has moved on and are probably 
transient.  I don't see him running around the area anymore.  There seems to be 
food in the bin now.  And you are right.  They left the water bowls empty and 
dirty.  BUT, now the cats still don't seem to want to eat the dry food b/c they 
can still smell the raccoon even though I believe it is gone.  The cats just 
kind of peer into the bin and sniff and walk away!  



 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
 
I was going to say that the coons will just carry off the feeder and break it 
open at their convenience.  I loose a lot of suet feeders that way.  My outside 
water bowls are always dirty in the AM.  One has to wash their food before 
eating it. I think they also take a bath before eating.


 Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> 
> Yes, they can climb trees and recently I found out that they can get on top 
> of my car.  I had put some bags of cat food on the trunk of my car one 
> night.  When I came back outside a couple hours later there were nice little 
> raccoon paw prints on my car and windshield and a tear in the bag.  I didn't 
> see any major scratches in the paint, like from them climbing, so I wondered 
> if it was really the cats but those dirty paw prints gave it away.  Cat paw 
> prints are different. My suggestion - give up.  You can't beat the raccoons.  
> Or the opposums for that matter.  They climb trees too.  I leave extra food 
> out when I have donated food but if not it can get expensive trying to feed 
> the raccoons, opposums and cats.  I don't mind feeding the raccoons but I'm 
> not rich enough to feed all the hungry mouths in GA.  I'm wondering if 
> raccoons are transient though.  Like I read on an opposum website that they 
> don't plant roots.  They may stick around a few
 days but then they move on.  I have a feeling raccoons do that also.  I need 
to google it.  Right now at one of my feral locations there are no raccoons 
coming around at night.  But at times I know there are because all the food is 
gone and the water is dirty.  Plus I've seen them there when I go by at night.  
But for the last couple of months when I show up the next day the cats have dry 
food left from the day before and the water is clean.  And at my house I also 
will sometimes see a mama and babies.  But a month or two later I'm only seeing 
one or two raccoons coming around, not the mama and four babies.  Where did 
they go? My friend that only has a couple cats at one feeding station uses one 
of those food containers with a timer on it.  She feeds a certain amount in an 
open bowl during the day, but at 9:00 at night one side of the container opens 
with food and later in the night, like 2:00 am the other side opens.  That way 
the cats have
 food during the night.  But the timer thing is small and wouldn't work with a 
big colony.  Plus I've had raccoons carry bowls off so I would think they would 
carry that off too.
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
>  Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:46:07 -0800
> From: khargrea...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
> 
> The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree there, 
> to live in it, so yes, they can climb.
> 
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler  wrote:
> 
> Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just 
> restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid to 
> trap it - it may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons can't 
> jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about 
> this.  Dotty
> 
>    
>     From: MaiMaiPG 
>  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> 
>  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
>    
> 
> Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that coons 
> can destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap 
> it and relocate it?  
> On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:
> 
> Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive over 
> there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could have 
> noise at night to deter the critters!  

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

[dot winkler]

Wow.  That's amazing!  



 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
 
You have them figured out !  The old timers around here say a coon can get into 
or out of anything.

 Lee Evans  wrote: 
> Well, I can give you first hand information on how raccoons get where they 
> want to go.  I was sitting on my deck out here in the middle of nowhere, 
> watching my cats eat their kibble when I heard scrabbling in one of the 
> trees.  The brave cats took off for under the house and I assumed that Batman 
> and Robin had landed.  Then a giant mama raccoon and four puff ball kits came 
> sauntering over the branches of the tree, plopped down on the deck and 
> waddled over to the feed bowl.  They cleaned it in a matter of minutes, 
> looked at me, sauntered back to the wooden railing on the deck, climbed up, 
> jumped onto the large tree branch and were gone into the night with a maximum 
> of scrabbling again and a flutter of twigs and leaves.  So that should clear 
> up any doubt about how raccoons get around. They even get on top of my roof 
> from time to time and I know they can't fly.




From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply


Hi Lee - The feeder I saw on line showed a dry feed station up high on a pole 
but that's as far as the raccoon could climb.  It had one of those metal sheets 
that they use to keep squirrels out of bird feeders, and then the actual house 
construction on top of that to house the dry cat food. Then they had a small 
tiny cat house nearby from which the cats would go atop and jump to the feeder. 
 But acc to info on line the raccoon can't jump up there.  Wondering about 
this.  Also wondering how the cats would jump in winter when there is snow and 
ice on top of that smaller house.  Dotty 



From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


The "jump up" feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats.  
Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 
puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station.  I got some donated dog food 
that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food.  I 
don't think there's any way of stopping them.  They are so cute, especially the 
little puff ball kids.  Expensive too.  As they grew enormous, one of them 
would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands.  
Scary!  I heard that raccoons like fruit.  Maybe get some donated fruit and 
nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon?


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[dot winkler]

Hi Lee - The feeder I saw on line showed a dry feed station up high on a pole 
but that's as far as the raccoon could climb.  It had one of those metal sheets 
that they use to keep squirrels out of bird feeders, and then the actual house 
construction on top of that to house the dry cat food. Then they had a small 
tiny cat house nearby from which the cats would go atop and jump to the feeder. 
 But acc to info on line the raccoon can't jump up there.  Wondering about 
this.  Also wondering how the cats would jump in winter when there is snow and 
ice on top of that smaller house.  Dotty 



 From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

The "jump up" feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats.  
Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 
puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station.  I got some donated dog food 
that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food.  I 
don't think there's any way of stopping them.  They are so cute, especially the 
little puff ball kids.  Expensive too.  As they grew enormous, one of them 
would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands.  
Scary!  I heard that raccoons like fruit.  Maybe get some donated fruit and 
nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon?


From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night 
in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw 
away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which 
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get 
there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line 
but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I 
don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has 
nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - 
Freehold, NJ


From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


 
Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

 
Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The
 thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of 
FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't 
even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't know that the symptoms 
were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said 
he had thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it 
and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV 
she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests 
or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's 
not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have 
been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me f

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

[dot winkler]

Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just restarted 
the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid to trap it - it 
may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons can't jump or climb but 
also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this.  Dotty



 From: MaiMaiPG 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
 

Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that coons can 
destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and 
relocate it?  

On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive over 
there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could have noise 
at night to deter the critters!  Thanks
>
>
>
>
> From: Martha Walton 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
> 
>
>A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, 
>maybe it would help with the cat situation?
>
>
>
>>
>
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[dot winkler]

Yeah, you are right.  I was thinking that this was a mommy raccoon and she was 
hungry and may have babies somewhere. And that's why she was coming around by 
day. I have stopped the dry food for 2 weeks and now only restarted to see what 
the outcome is.  I haven't seen the raccoon now for 2 weeks.  It was just hard 
feeding the cats only the meat once a day because they were too hungry and 
ravenous by the next day.  So, then i was driving over twice a day with the 
meat and it was too much for me, with working and all.  So, the dry food is a 
good idea for the cats to help supplement them.  thanks for your input.


 From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:52 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

 
Yes, raccoons are mostly nocturnal, but when they have young ones, they can 
also be seen during the day, looking for more food. This makes many people call 
ACOs when they see raccoons during the day, wrongly assuming that there’s 
something wrong with them, like rabies, distemper…
 
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
They are and they are a royal pain.  
On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote:
 
I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a 
different place & putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals 
during the day & the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are 
nocturnal like opossums
 
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From:dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night 
in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw 
away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which 
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get 
there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line 
but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I 
don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has 
nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - 
Freehold, NJ
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

[dot winkler]

Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive over 
there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could have noise 
at night to deter the critters!  Thanks



 From: Martha Walton 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, 
maybe it would help with the cat situation?



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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

[dot winkler]

Thanks for everyone's advice. I need to leave the dry food there at all times 
because  I feed the cats meat during the day and pick up the plates so as not 
to leave food around.  The dry food in the station is there so that the cats 
have something to munch on all day long as well as if they get hungry later or 
the next morning in case I can't make it there to feed them that day.  I have 
tried feeding the cats only the meat once a day and they are too hungry the 
next day.  They need some kind of staple food.  Dotty


 From: CATHERINE DIDONNA 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

RACCONS eat everything.The Bronx zoo told someone to gie them lettuce. Maybe 
you can leave lettuce,apples.grapes,outside.for them.If not don't leave the dry 
overnite,and maybe they wont come back.Cathy Bronx. N Y


From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night 
in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw 
away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which 
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get 
there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line 
but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I 
don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has 
nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - 
Freehold, NJ


From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


 
Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

 
Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The
 thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of 
FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't 
even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't know that the symptoms 
were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said 
he had thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it 
and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV 
she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests 
or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's 
not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have 
been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me
 doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone 
who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something.  
I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's probably better than what I 
normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the b

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

[dot winkler]

Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night 
in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw 
away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which 
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get 
there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line 
but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I 
don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has 
nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - 
Freehold, NJ




 From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
 

 
Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

 
Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as 
the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some 
antibiotics that aren't even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't 
know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked 
him about it he said he had
 thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it and 
didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV she's 
going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or 
treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's 
not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have 
been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) 
but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad 
thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's 
probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little 
helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do 
just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people 
ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is 
"because I can, and that obligates me".  I make no money of course, but I spend 
plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my 
shitlist and I don't even know him.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIP/RAW DIET

[dot winkler]

Hi, Can you explain what the "raw diet" is? Is it your own concoction of food?  
I feed my FELV the Science Diet dry food.  She seems to be doing very well on 
it.  I also supplement with one pouch of Whiskas Gravy Sensations.  I have 
heard of the Lysine.  Where do I get it for the cats and the name?  Thanks.  
Dotty - Freehold.


 From: Tracey Shrout 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIP
 

Vicky,
>
I can't tell you much about the FIP, but as for the FELV, I can tell you the 
most important thing you can do for them is give them a good 
species-appropriate diet. I recommend a homemade or commercial raw diet. My 
felv+ (Abbey) has been on it for over 3 years and is doing remarkably well. She 
was dying when I got her as a stray. All her symptoms practically disappeared 
when I started feeding her the raw diet -- it was nothing short of amazing.  I 
also supplement her diet with 250mg of l-lysine in her food daily, and I also 
give her 1/2 capsule of Transfer Factor tri-factor Plus everyday. I may be just 
one of the lucky ones, but I doubt it. I tribute her good health to her 
diet. This diet will keep their immune system functioning at its fullest. Feed 
it to all your cats. See catinfo.org and catnutrition.org. Low stress is also 
key to good health. 
 
As for the vomiting, I would almost guarantee this diet will cure that. 5 or 6 
years of vomiting can wreak havoc on a cats health. You didn't mention what you 
were feeding them. Dry food? That may be the culprit with the vomiting. Could 
be he is allergic to something in the food, or if it contains grains, that 
could be the culprit. Cats cannot digest grains...period. That is why lots 
of cats vomit on a regular basis. Yes, get your negative vaccinated every year 
as long as he doesn't have a reaction to it. I would definitely keep him after 
being re-homed so many times. Just my 2 cents...Good luck with your kitties!
 
Tracey (in Indiana)
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Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten/QUESTION

[dot winkler]

But what about mixing when the healthy male cat likes to bite and plays rough 
with the FELV pos cat?  They wrestle, lick, groom together and bite/nip as they 
play and cuddle and sleep together.   Has anyone had mixed cats that do this 
and my question is, is it safe in that situation?  It's one thing if they are 
all just hanging out but if there is close contact, what is the consensus?  Is 
that a safe situation for mixing the positive and negative ones?  Curious to 
know.  Please respond.  Dotty  - Freehold



From: Beth 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten


Ditto. I've mixed mine for years, had negatives re-tested numerous times & all 
is well. I even had an FIV positive cat who mixed with my FelV cats for 10 
years. He never got it, either.
You might search the archives on "mixing" for more info.

Beth

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From: katskat1 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten

I have 2 positives, one of them over 12 years old, the other about 2
or 3.  Both of them have been intermingling with my negatives
(currently 8 of them) for years.  I keep the negatives up to date on
vaccinations and haven't yet had one turn positive although I kept the
very young cats away from them until they were older and thru the full
series of vaccinations.


On 10/8/11, john pollack  wrote:
> My cat, Tigger is almost 5. he was born with FeLV. he lives with my other 5
> cats, ranging in age from 1 to 15. none of the others have teste=d positive,
> and they are checked yearly
>
>
>
> 
> From: JoAnn Fredo 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"
> 
> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 7:19 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten
>
>
> Message body
> I was apart of this list 09/2000 when my husband and I adopted 3 kittens,
> and all tested positive. We lost little Vinnie at 8 months due to lymphoma,
> Molly developed lymphoma and we treated it. She lived 4 years, the lymphoma
> never came back, the feline leukemia took her life. Toots lived 9 years, no
> problems until the last month of his life he developed bone cancer. All 3 of
> my babies received interferon and dimethylglycine every night. Two years ago
> we adopted 2 more kittens, they were negative.
 This past Friday my
> neighbor's daughter found a cute orange tabby kitten and asked us if we
> wanted him.  He tested positive, but it is not in his bone marrow. I have
> everyone separated, and am looking for a home. I know may people mix
> positive with negative cats, can you please tell if there are success
> stories out there or if negative cats became positive. Thanks, Jo Ann
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke/reply

[dot winkler]

Hi  Can I ask you how you were able to find someone to adopt the cat?  I have 
been trying to adopt my female FELV pos cat out (Chloe) for about 3 months now 
with no luck.  Where does the gentleman live?  I wonder if he would like to 
have a buddy for the cat he just adopted?  Dot


From: john pollack 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke


I smoke, and have had Tigger for almost 5 years now. FeLV+, and STILL showing 
no signs of sickness



From: Cindy McHugh 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk]  FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke


 
Hi,
 
We have someone interested in adopting our FeLV+ 
boy and it sounds like a great home, but the gentleman smokes. Does anyone know 
if this would be a considerable risk for a FeLV cat? I know smoke isn't good 
for 
humans or cats, but I'm wondering if the FeLV would complicate matters. Other 
than that, it sounds like a great home. He'd be a companion to a homebound 
gentleman who's looking for company.
 
Thanks for your time and input.
Cindy
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Re: [Felvtalk] BEST LITTLE CATHOUSE

[dot winkler]

I am not sure if I tried that one.  (best little cat house).  It may be that I 
did. I'll check tomorrow.  There was one that I tried and they said they were 
full up and to try back in Nov or Dec.  That may have been the Best Little Cat 
House. Not sure. I'll check. Thanks.  Dot



From: April Johnson 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 10 week old baby with slight positive


Dot have you tried Best Little Cat house, 
http://www.thebestlittlecathouseinpa.com/
 
They take in FELV and FIV + cats and the cats live out their lives there.  

From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 10 week old baby with slight positive


Yes, I need to find a home for my cat also who is one year old and has the FELV 
and I can't keep her with the other 2.  I can't seem to find a home for her.  
She is a viable cat, cute and spunky and pretty, doing wonderfully right now,  
other than that she has the FELV.  People don't understand that.  They are 
afraid as soon as they hear that word.  If you know of anyone who can help me 
as well, please let me know.  I have been in touch with various organizations, 
Rescue Ridge, Jersey Cats.  Still nothing.  Dotty Freehold, NJ

From: "ccarlsb...@gmail.com" 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 10 week old baby with slight positive

Hi Anna! I am so sorry about your situation. I have an 11 week old FELV+ kitten 
and we need to relocate it bc I have 2 cats at home. Its heart breaking. He 
seems so healthy and happy and is growing too. Its so hard, but they can live
 decent lives for a few good years
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Re: [Felvtalk] 10 week old baby with slight positive

[dot winkler]

Yes, I need to find a home for my cat also who is one year old and has the FELV 
and I can't keep her with the other 2.  I can't seem to find a home for her.  
She is a viable cat, cute and spunky and pretty, doing wonderfully right now,  
other than that she has the FELV.  People don't understand that.  They are 
afraid as soon as they hear that word.  If you know of anyone who can help me 
as well, please let me know.  I have been in touch with various organizations, 
Rescue Ridge, Jersey Cats.  Still nothing.  Dotty Freehold, NJ



From: "ccarlsb...@gmail.com" 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 10 week old baby with slight positive

Hi Anna! I am so sorry about your situation. I have an 11 week old FELV+ kitten 
and we need to relocate it bc I have 2 cats at home. Its heart breaking. He 
seems so healthy and happy and is growing too. Its so hard, but they can live 
decent lives for a few good years
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Re: [Felvtalk] 10 week old baby with slight positive

[dot winkler]

You are in a situation almost like me.  I have a one year old positive cat who 
came down with the virus in June.  I have had her separated from my other two 
cats since and it has been a crazy situation as I have a small house.  I have 
been trying to adopt her out with no luck yet.  A lot of people on this site 
say they integrate their healthy cats with the feline leuk positive ones and 
have had no real problems.  I am hesitant about it as my other healthy cat is a 
biter/nipper/claws when he plays.  There are a lot of conflicting opinions.  I 
have read they only can contract the virus through a bite where blood is drawn 
and then on the other hand, I have read that they can contract the virus 
through saliva, urine and feces as well.  What will you do with your 11 year 
old cat?  What will you do with the kitten?  



From: Anna Yeutter 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:26 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] 10 week old baby with slight positive


My previous foster baby (and now adopted baby, after a couple weeks absence) 
who was found when he was two weeks old in a Costco parking lot and who I 
bottle fed and fostered from when he was three weeks old, went in for his first 
vet visit today. The first thing the vet did was do the FeLV/FIV snap combo 
test after drawing some blood (oh boy Jean-Luc screamed and even growled).
He walked back in later and showed me the kit with the blue dot at the top and 
the slight positive result for FeLV. I made another appointment to bring him in 
in three weeks to check again, but walked away feeling very negative (the vet 
made me feel like he was doomed). As of this moment, Jean-Luc has been doing 
well, gaining weight, playing actively and eating normally.
I was going to have my parents bring my 11 year old cat up to live with me as 
well on Saturday (I'm a college student and just recently moved off campus into 
a pet-friendly apartment), but of course that has been put on hold. This means 
Jean-Luc is a very spoiled only-kitten, getting lots of love.
I've tried to do some reading but it is so overwhelming and I'm exhausted from 
reading all the conflicting opinions. I would love to hear from some other 
people.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters/PLEASE EXPLAIN

[dot winkler]

Please explain what you mean by "managed for maximum sustained yield". 



From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

Actually, the deer aren't responsible for overpopulation; they are "managed"
for maximum sustained yield, for only one reason: to supply better hunting
opportunities and revenues from hunting license fees. If they were left
alone, their numbers would be normal, and just enough to fill the biological
carrying capacity of an area that can sustain their numbers. And, yet, you
always hear: Isn't it kinder to kill them than to let them starve?  Then why
would they want such skinny deer?  Because they really care only about that
rack, and a few lbs of meat are irrelevant.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
- Original Message -
From: "Lorrie" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


> On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
>>    Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
>>    and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
>>    least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
>>    beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
>>    the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
>>    lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
>>    I don't see how anyone could do it.
>>      
>> _
>
> I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are 
> so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
> It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally 
> it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes 
> to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing, 
> brave little doe and we call her "Tripod".
>
> Lorrie
>
>
> Tripod and she
> in
> our yard
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[dot winkler]

Hysterical!  L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and 
actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they 
are eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature 
to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have the heart to kill them?  They 
are graceful and grace our woods and lands.  To see one in your yard is a 
special and breathtaking sight.   I don't see how anyone could do it.  



From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
deer!!

Lorrie


> On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 

> What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
> themselves, and are referred to as the only real
> conservationists...what a joke!
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] reply/FROM DOT

[dot winkler]

Hi  I think you were the one who asked me if I could just try and integrate the 
3 cats since I had mentioned the trio don't get along.

I originally had Kitty (female) alpha.  Then I brought in Chloe thinking she 
would be a nice playmate for Kitty. Chloe was a kitten then.  Then Lionheart 
came along (FIV).  Lion and Chloe bonded instantly.  Lion, male dominant, kind 
of ousted Kitty. He and Chloe domineered.  It was almost like even Chloe 
started antagonizing Kitty b/c she saw Lion doing it.  
Now that Chloe has the FELV, and is separated from the other two, Lion and 
Kitty have bonded together a little better.  Although he still tends to 
domineer and he has perhaps a little too much "testosterone"!  His idea of 
playing is "nipping" and Kitty doesn't like this.  So it is not perfect, but 
better.
So, I am afraid to bring Chloe back into the picture b/c #1 (the leukemia) #2 
Lion and her may go back to their old antics!  
I am thinking perhaps better to find Chloe a nice home with another buddy.  
Wish I could do this easily.
Dot



From: April Johnson 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] reply


I'm sorry but I just don't feel comfortable with mixing her with my other 
cats.  All my other cats are negative to FIV and FELV but have other health 
issues.  I also have several older cats.  I've already had FIP introduced in my 
house, when I adopted a cat from a groomer.  We had no idea she had it until, 
she stopped eating and had to be hospitalized.  The vet did everything to get 
her to eat but nothing worked and we had to say good bye.  Knock on wood no one 
else has ever showed signs.  My Spicy has a home with me for life, a pet in my 
home is family.  I'm just undecided on whether to get her a friend or not.  
April 

From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] reply

I have been mixig felv pos and neg since 2008 and no problems yet.  Everyone 
passed their physical with flying colors this year.  Agai, I think giving 
quality food, love, a stable home and lots of exercise and clean water (I use 
fountains) is the key. 
 This way, thei immune systems are operating at peak and bette able to resist 
infections.


 Gloria Lane  wrote: 
> It's certainly personal  choice, I certainly understand.  Like I say, I've 
> mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV 
> cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get 
> Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for 
> the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to 
> isolate Felv cats  so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among 
> vets some more flexible than others.
> 
> Gloria
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler  wrote:
> 
> > Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing 
> > the cats.  But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky.  There 
> > is still a risk and chance the others could get it.  And they may not pull 
> > out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever.  I wouldn't 
> > want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it.  The other male cat I have, 
> > Lion, has AIDS (FIV).  I think he would be more susceptible of getting it 
> > even though he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster.
> > I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get 
> > along.  They only get along in two's.  In other words, Chloe and Lion get 
> > along.  But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial.  Vice 
> > versa.  Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the
 picture.  I would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat 
so she can have a buddy.  I am still trying.  
> > But I'm open to ideas and input.  Dotty
> > 
> > From: Terri Brown 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
> > 
> > Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I 
> > see no reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've 
> > mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected.
> >  
> > My 2 cents.
> >  
> > =^..^= Terri, Siggie the
 Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
> > - Original Message -
> > From: dot winkler
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > 

Re: [Felvtalk] reply

[dot winkler]

Hi April - Can you tell me what FIP is?  I assume some type of stomach 
disorder.  I wish I had a separate room that I could keep Chloe in. Your 
situation sounds okay that the cat is happy there and is totally separated from 
the others and is okay with it. Laid back.  I have a small house and we have to 
keep putting Chloe in one room and then another b/c people are coming in and 
out. She also likes to go out in the back yard for about twenty minutes a day.  
So, she is not happy just being in the house.  She came from a clan I rescued 
of outdoor cats.  However she is quite cute and cuddly and affectionate.  Wish 
I had a better setup for her.  i am listening to a lot of people say they mix 
the cats and things have been okay.  I'm not sure what to do.  Dot



From: April Johnson 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] reply


I'm sorry but I just don't feel comfortable with mixing her with my other 
cats.  All my other cats are negative to FIV and FELV but have other health 
issues.  I also have several older cats.  I've already had FIP introduced in my 
house, when I adopted a cat from a groomer.  We had no idea she had it until, 
she stopped eating and had to be hospitalized.  The vet did everything to get 
her to eat but nothing worked and we had to say good bye.  Knock on wood no one 
else has ever showed signs.  My Spicy has a home with me for life, a pet in my 
home is family.  I'm just undecided on whether to get her a friend or not.  
April 

From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] reply

I have been mixig felv pos and neg since 2008 and no problems yet.  Everyone 
passed their physical with flying colors this year.  Agai, I think giving 
quality food, love, a stable home and lots of exercise and clean water (I use 
fountains) is the key. 
 This way, thei immune systems are operating at peak and bette able to resist 
infections.


 Gloria Lane  wrote: 
> It's certainly personal  choice, I certainly understand.  Like I say, I've 
> mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV 
> cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get 
> Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except for 
> the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to 
> isolate Felv cats  so i understand. But I still find varying opinions among 
> vets some more flexible than others.
> 
> Gloria
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler  wrote:
> 
> > Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing 
> > the cats.  But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky.  There 
> > is still a risk and chance the others could get it.  And they may not pull 
> > out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever.  I wouldn't 
> > want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it.  The other male cat I have, 
> > Lion, has AIDS (FIV).  I think he would be more susceptible of getting it 
> > even though he's been boostered with the Leukemia booster.
> > I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get 
> > along.  They only get along in two's.  In other words, Chloe and Lion get 
> > along.  But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial.  Vice 
> > versa.  Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the
 picture.  I would love to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat 
so she can have a buddy.  I am still trying.  
> > But I'm open to ideas and input.  Dotty
> > 
> > From: Terri Brown 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
> > 
> > Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I 
> > see no reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've 
> > mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected.
> >  
> > My 2 cents.
> >  
> > =^..^= Terri, Siggie the
 Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
> > - Original Message -
> > From: dot winkler
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
> > 
> > Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the 
> > disease  Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the 5 
> > stages?  What does it mean? 

Re: [Felvtalk] reply/hi reply

[dot winkler]

Hi.  I have been reading so much input from everyone.  It is really very eye 
opening.  O.K.  Perhaps the cats can be mixed.  However, as I said,the trio 
don't get along. I would still need to place Chloe (FELV).  I would love to see 
her in a home with just one other cat, so she can bond.  Probably an FELV cat.  
So, if you think you can help, i would just love it.  I am so at a quandry what 
to do.  
She loves my other cat, Lion (FIV).  They were from the same clan.  However, I 
just truly am concerned about mixing the two together and placing together.  
I may, however, consider this.  They were the "Dynamic Duo".  Playing and 
licking and sleeping together.  I am open for any help anyone can offer to 
place Chloe and/or possibly Chloe/Lion.  I can send pictures.  They are both 
cute.  Dotty



From: katskat1 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] reply

As it appears you really don't want to keep this cat perhaps you can
let us know where you live so we can try and help?

Kat

On 9/7/11, dlg...@windstream.net  wrote:
> I have been mixig felv pos and neg since 2008 and no problems yet.  Everyone
> passed their physical with flying colors this year.  Agai, I think giving
> quality food, love, a stable home and lots of exercise and clean water (I
> use fountains) is the key.  This way, thei immune systems are operating at
> peak and bette able to resist infections.
>
>
>  Gloria Lane  wrote:
>> It's certainly personal  choice, I certainly understand.  Like I say, I've
>> mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV
>> cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get
>> Felv. I think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except
>> for the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to
>> isolate Felv cats  so i understand. But I still find varying opinions
>> among vets some more flexible than others.
>>
>> Gloria
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been
>> > mixing the cats.  But I called my vet and he again said that it is
>> > risky.  There is still a risk and chance the others could get it.  And
>> > they may not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first
>> > fever.  I wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it.  The
>> > other male cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV).  I think he would be more
>> > susceptible of getting it even though he's been boostered with the
>> > Leukemia booster.
>> > I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get
>> > along.  They only get along in two's.  In other words, Chloe and Lion
>> > get along.  But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become
>> > territorial.  Vice versa.  Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe
>> > has been out of the picture.  I would love to find Chloe a home with one
>> > other feline leukemia cat so she can have a buddy.  I am still trying.
>> > But I'm open to ideas and input.  Dotty
>> >
>> > From: Terri Brown 
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
>> >
>> > Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I
>> > see no reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've
>> > mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected.
>> >
>> > My 2 cents.
>> >
>> > =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6
>> > furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi
>> > =^..^=
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: dot winkler
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
>> >
>> > Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the
>> > disease  Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the
>> > 5 stages?  What does it mean?  I think I heard that if your cat can make
>> > it through all five stages, then they have developed an immunity to the
>> > disease.  Anyway, how is it keeping your cat apart from the others?  My
>> > cat is so lonely.  It breaks my heart.  She wants to play with the
>> > others. Esp the male cat who she know

Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV/response from dotty

[dot winkler]

Hi - I don't remember if I responded to you or not!  I've had so many people to 
talk with.  it's wonderful.  I think i was telling someone else that one of my 
other cats has the AIDS (FIV) so I am a little hesitant to mix the two cats 
together, the FELV one with the FIV.  Because I think he is more prone to 
getting it than a healthy cat.  Dot



From: Gloria B. Lane 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV


Same here.  When I first got an FELV cat, I was paranoid. But that was in 2001. 
Many of us don't think it's as contagious as is presented.  I've mixed mine 
with my others for several years, no problem.  All mine are altered and sit 
around and eat and sleep. 

Some of what I've learned is    1) they may live a long time, may not,   2) 
they're not that contagious,  3) double positives (FIV/FELV) don't live as 
long,    4) If they're born with FELV they tend to die at 2.5-3 yrs old,      
5) interferon and stuff like that are worth a try.  Oh yeah, and always 
questions your vets advice   :)


Gloria



On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:25 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote:

The virus isn't airborne. 
>it has to get into the bloodstream. I have a couple of FELV cats,but they r 
>with my other cats. 
>
>--- On Wed, 9/7/11, April Johnson  wrote:
>
>
>>From: April Johnson 
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
>>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>>Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 2:16 PM
>>
>>
>>Hi Dot, 
>> 
>>This is all new to me too.  I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a 
>>bedroom by herself.  She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a 
>>sofa.  Spicy has had no signs of the illness.  So I didn't know she had it.  
>>I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week 
>>later.  The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the 
>>test done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I 
>>had no idea.  So for a week she was with my other cats.  I just looked it up 
>>there are 6 stages of FELV.  Spicy is in stage 5. 
>>
>>From: dot winkler 
>>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
>>
>>
>>Hi April - I just read your mail.  My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty 
>>gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive.  I have known since June when she 
>>had a fever.  She has stabilized and is doing so well now.  Very healthy and 
>>playful.  She is a little "squirt", i call her.  I have been looking for a 
>>home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them 
>>separated.  She is so cute.  i hated to just put her down so figured i would 
>>give it a shot to see if i could adopt her.  Do you have other cats at home? 
>>How is your cat doing now?  You said it's in her bone marrow.  Are there 
>>different stages?  I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the 
>>first cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia.  So, it is all 
>>new to me also.   Dot (freehold, NJ)
>>
>>
>>From: April Johnson 
>>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM
>>Subject: [Felvtalk] Update
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>> 
>>A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from 
>>animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV.  I was 
>>questioning whether to get her a friend or not.  Last week I had her blood 
>>sent out to confirm if she really had FELV.   Well her results came in 
>>yesterday, it's in her bone marrow.  I still haven't decided on a friend for 
>>her yet, I'm unsure what to do with my house already full.  I think I would 
>>need to adopt another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right?  
>>I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do.
>> 
>>April  
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[dot winkler]

Hi April - wow.  Good information.  O.K.  So maybe what I heard is incorrect.  
So, you are thinking of getting your cat another one to play with?  But you 
also have other cats without the virus?  I have a small house and keeping the 3 
of them separated is downright crazy!  It is so hectic. My husband and i have 
been stressed all summer since Chloe got the virus in June.  I don't know how 
we'd ever go away - I don't know who could deal with all this.  I need to find 
Chloe a home.  How do you manage keeping them all apart?  Dot



From: April Johnson 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT


this is what I found off the internet.  I didn't hear that about making threw 
the 5 phases, because there is a 6 when the disease takes over.  I know she's 
lonely sometimes because she loved being part of the family.  She was accepted 
by all the other cats.  I'm torn between trying to find her another cat with 
FELV or hoping she gets used to being by herself.  Spicy actually named 
herself.  We were driving home from the shelter and I wanted to name the other 
cat we adopted Spicy because she's orange.  Well Spicy kept answering to the 
name.  Now Spicy is black and I never thought of naming a black cat Spicy, but 
she had other ideas.  I like the name Chloe we had a cat for 14 years named 
Chloe, she had to be pts when her kidney's shutdown.  
 
 The disease has a wide range of effects. The cat can fight off the infection 
and become totally immune, can become a healthy carrier that never gets sick 
itself but can infect other cats, or a mid-level case in which the cat has a 
compromised immune system.[citation needed] Nevertheless, the development of 
lymphomas is considered the final stage of the disease. Although it is thought 
that virus protein has to be present to induce lymphomas in cats, newer 
evidence shows that a high percentage of FeLV-Antigen negative lymphomas 
contain FeLV-DNA, indicating a "hit-and-run" mechanism of virus induced tumor 
development.[1]
Once the virus has entered the cat, there are six phases to a FeLV infection:
* Phase One: The virus enters the cat, usually through the pharynx 
where it infects the epithelial cells and infects the tonsorial B-lymphocytes 
and macrophages. These white blood cells then filter down to the lymph nodes 
and begin to replicate. 
* Phase Two: The virus enters the blood stream and begins to distribute 
throughout the body. 
* Phase Three: The lymphoid system (which produces antibodies to attack 
infected and cancerous cells) becomes infected, with further distribution 
throughout the body. 
* Phase Four: The main point in the infection- where the virus can take 
over the body's immune system and cause viremia. During this phase the 
hemolymphatic system and intestines become infected. 
If the cat's immune system does not fight off the virus, then it goes onto:
* Phase Five: The bone marrow becomes infected. At this point, the 
virus will stay with the cat for the rest of its life. In this phase, the virus 
replicates and is released four to seven days later in infected neutrophils 
(white blood cells), and sometimes lymphocytes, monocytes (white blood cell 
formed in the bone marrow), and eosinophils (another white blood cell). 
* Phase Six: The cat's body is overwhelmed by infection and mucosal and 
glandular epithelial cells (tissue that forms a thin protective layer on 
exposed bodily surfaces and forms the lining of internal cavities, ducts, and 
organs) become infected. The virus replicates in epithelial tissues including 
salivary glands, oropharynx, stomach, esophagus, intestines, trachea, 
nasopharynx, renal tubules, bladder, pancreas, alveolar ducts, and sebaceous 
ducts from the muzzle.  

From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT


Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease  
Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the 5 stages?  What 
does it mean?  I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five 
stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease.  Anyway, how is it 
keeping your cat apart from the others?  My cat is so lonely.  It breaks my 
heart.  She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from 
the clan where i rescued the two of them.  I really would love to adopt her 
out.  Just having a hard time finding someone.  P.S. - I like the name Spicy!  
It is cute.  Dot

From: April Johnson 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV


Hi Dot, 
 
This is all new to me too.  I do have other cats at hom

Re: [Felvtalk] reply

[dot winkler]

Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been mixing the 
cats.  But I called my vet and he again said that it is risky.  There is still 
a risk and chance the others could get it.  And they may not pull out of it 
like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first fever.  I wouldn't want my other 
cat, Kitty to come down with it.  The other male cat I have, Lion, has AIDS 
(FIV).  I think he would be more susceptible of getting it even though he's 
been boostered with the Leukemia booster.
I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get along.  
They only get along in two's.  In other words, Chloe and Lion get along.  But 
when you put Kitty into the mix, they become territorial.  Vice versa.  Kitty 
now gets along with Lion since Chloe has been out of the picture.  I would love 
to find Chloe a home with one other feline leukemia cat so she can have a 
buddy.  I am still trying.  
But I'm open to ideas and input.  Dotty



From: Terri Brown 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT


 
Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, 
I see no reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've 
mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected.
 
My 2 cents.
 
=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi 
=^..^=
----- Original Message - 
>From: dot  winkler 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02  PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM  DOT
>
>
>Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the  disease  
>Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know  about the 5 stages?  What 
>does it mean?  I think I heard that if  your cat can make it through all five 
>stages, then they have developed an  immunity to the disease.  Anyway, how is 
>it keeping your cat apart from  the others?  My cat is so lonely.  It breaks 
>my heart.  She  wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows 
>from the clan  where i rescued the two of them.  I really would love to adopt 
>her out.   Just having a hard time finding someone.  P.S. - I like the name  
>Spicy!  It is cute.  Dot
>
>
>
>
> From: April Johnson  
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16  PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk]  Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
>
>
>Hi Dot, 
> 
>This is all new to me too.  I do have other cats at home,  Spicy lives in a 
>bedroom by herself.  She has two windows to look out of,  a cat tree and a 
>sofa.  Spicy has had no signs of the illness.  So I  didn't know she had it.  
>I adopted her the first weekend in June and took  her to the vet a week 
>later.  The receptionist at my vets was the one  that stressed getting the 
>test done because she knew that the shelter I  adopted her from didn't test, I 
>had no idea.  So for a week she was with  my other cats.  I just looked it up 
>there are 6 stages of FELV.   Spicy is in stage 5. 
>
>From: dot  winkler 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07  PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk]  Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
>
>
>Hi April - I just read your mail.  My cat, Chloe, female one  year old, pretty 
>gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive.  I have  known since June when she 
>had a fever.  She has stabilized and is doing  so well now.  Very healthy and 
>playful.  She is a little "squirt", i  call her.  I have been looking for a 
>home for her since I have two other  negative cats and have to keep them 
>separated.  She is so cute.  i  hated to just put her down so figured i would 
>give it a shot to see if i could  adopt her.  Do you have other cats at home? 
>How is your cat doing now?   You said it's in her bone marrow.  Are there 
>different stages?   I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the 
>first cat I have  ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia.  So, it is all 
>new to me  also.   Dot (freehold, NJ)
>
>
>From: April Johnson  
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46  PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk]  Update
>
>
>Hi,
> 
>A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from  
>animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV.  I was  
>questioning whether to get her a friend or not.  Last week I had her  blood 
>sent out to confirm if she really had FELV.   Well her results  came in

Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT

[dot winkler]

Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease  
Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the 5 stages?  What 
does it mean?  I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five 
stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease.  Anyway, how is it 
keeping your cat apart from the others?  My cat is so lonely.  It breaks my 
heart.  She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from 
the clan where i rescued the two of them.  I really would love to adopt her 
out.  Just having a hard time finding someone.  P.S. - I like the name Spicy!  
It is cute.  Dot



From: April Johnson 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV


Hi Dot, 
 
This is all new to me too.  I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a 
bedroom by herself.  She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a 
sofa.  Spicy has had no signs of the illness.  So I didn't know she had it.  I 
adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later.  
The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done 
because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no 
idea.  So for a week she was with my other cats.  I just looked it up there are 
6 stages of FELV.  Spicy is in stage 5. 

From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV


Hi April - I just read your mail.  My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty 
gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive.  I have known since June when she 
had a fever.  She has stabilized and is doing so well now.  Very healthy and 
playful.  She is a little "squirt", i call her.  I have been looking for a home 
for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated.  
She is so cute.  i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot 
to see if i could adopt her.  Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat 
doing now?  You said it's in her bone marrow.  Are there different stages?  I 
am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had 
in 30 years that has the leukemia.  So, it is all new to me also.   Dot 
(freehold, NJ)

From: April Johnson 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update


Hi,
 
A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal 
control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV.  I was questioning whether 
to get her a friend or not.  Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if 
she really had FELV.   Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone 
marrow.  I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do 
with my house already full.  I think I would need to adopt another cat with it 
already in their bone marrow too, right?  I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I 
don't know what to do.
 
April  
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[dot winkler]

Hi April - I just read your mail.  My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty 
gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive.  I have known since June when she 
had a fever.  She has stabilized and is doing so well now.  Very healthy and 
playful.  She is a little "squirt", i call her.  I have been looking for a home 
for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated.  
She is so cute.  i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot 
to see if i could adopt her.  Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat 
doing now?  You said it's in her bone marrow.  Are there different stages?  I 
am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had 
in 30 years that has the leukemia.  So, it is all new to me also.   Dot 
(freehold, NJ)



From: April Johnson 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update


Hi,
 
A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from animal 
control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV.  I was questioning whether 
to get her a friend or not.  Last week I had her blood sent out to confirm if 
she really had FELV.   Well her results came in yesterday, it's in her bone 
marrow.  I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure what to do 
with my house already full.  I think I would need to adopt another cat with it 
already in their bone marrow too, right?  I've never had a FELV+ cat, so I 
don't know what to do.
 
April  
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