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Hi Natalie: Thanks for your help. I used to give him CoQ10, I will have to start up again. I will ask the vet about the Novaldent and then the periactin liquid as well. Long ago, I tried valium for one of my cats to try to get her to stop eating all her fur off her legs and stomach, and she become hyper- excited and crazy from it and wanted to eat like a pig! Since Spanky sneezes a lot as well, maybe the periactin as an antihistamine will help that and make him eat more. Thanks! Stacy and Spanky Message: 2 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:20:14 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: how do you search the felv archives? Message-ID: 0ed901cb7a23$b8802140$298063...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I forgot to mention the mouth rinse that my vet uses: NOLVADENT - oral cleansing solution. Natalie -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 2:24 PM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] how do you search the felv archives? Sorry, I can't give you info on how to search archives, but I can tell you to give Spanky CoQ10 for keeping gums and heart and much more in good shape. Get the GNC Vegetarian formula; it comes in powder form in capsules - give 50mg daily, sprinkled into food (tasteless). All my FIV/FeLV positive and heart patient cats get it daily - really works wonders! If the antihistamine Periactin in liquid form is still available, it's great for stimulating appetite! Natalie stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] how do you search the felv archives?
Hi: I'm trying to figure out how to search the felvtalk archives but I just get a list and no search box. Is there some way to search all of them at once? http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/ Spanky's gum around his fang seems slightly inflamed. Someone on this list (I think it was this list) posted a rinse they use for stomatitis/inflammation and I can't find the post. If anyone knows what this is or has another alternative, please let me know. Spanky's labs a few wks ago were all in the normal range, except as usual the WBC is still very low -- only about 2400 (up from 996 a few months ago); HCT was at the low end of normal (previous lab was 28%) -- the pet-tinic 2x a day seems to have helped. Still, he's more tired/lays around all the time and is really slow up and down the stairs and I have trouble getting him to eat. He has gone from 10 lbs down to 8.6 this year and doesn't have much interest in food. I assist feed him on days he won't eat anything. Anyway, it's frustrating as his lab numbers have gotten better or remained the same since the last tests yet he continues to decline. His non healing ulcer on his face came back as consistent with feline eosinphilic granuloma complex and my vet said the treatment for that is steroids which will further depress Spanky's immune system. We take it one day at a time and there are days I wonder how much longer he will make it :-( FELV stinks and it is sad to see a once strong, vital animal become depressed, lethargic and weak because of this awful disease. He's on Pet-tinic - 1ML 2x per day, 1/2 cc of Interferon once a day, LTCI injection every 2-3 weeks, Transfer factor tri factor plus, lysine and I'm putting vit E oil on the facial ulcer. I asked the vet about cyproheptadine for an appetite stimulant but I didn't really like the side effects. Thanks for listening, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sorry, I can't give you info on how to search archives, but I can tell you to give Spanky CoQ10 for keeping gums and heart and much more in good shape. Get the GNC Vegetarian formula; it comes in powder form in capsules - give 50mg daily, sprinkled into food (tasteless). All my FIV/FeLV positive and heart patient cats get it daily - really works wonders! If the antihistamine Periactin in liquid form is still available, it's great for stimulating appetite! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stacy Zacher Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] how do you search the felv archives? Hi: I'm trying to figure out how to search the felvtalk archives but I just get a list and no search box. Is there some way to search all of them at once? http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/ Spanky's gum around his fang seems slightly inflamed. Someone on this list (I think it was this list) posted a rinse they use for stomatitis/inflammation and I can't find the post. If anyone knows what this is or has another alternative, please let me know. Spanky's labs a few wks ago were all in the normal range, except as usual the WBC is still very low -- only about 2400 (up from 996 a few months ago); HCT was at the low end of normal (previous lab was 28%) -- the pet-tinic 2x a day seems to have helped. Still, he's more tired/lays around all the time and is really slow up and down the stairs and I have trouble getting him to eat. He has gone from 10 lbs down to 8.6 this year and doesn't have much interest in food. I assist feed him on days he won't eat anything. Anyway, it's frustrating as his lab numbers have gotten better or remained the same since the last tests yet he continues to decline. His non healing ulcer on his face came back as consistent with feline eosinphilic granuloma complex and my vet said the treatment for that is steroids which will further depress Spanky's immune system. We take it one day at a time and there are days I wonder how much longer he will make it :-( FELV stinks and it is sad to see a once strong, vital animal become depressed, lethargic and weak because of this awful disease. He's on Pet-tinic - 1ML 2x per day, 1/2 cc of Interferon once a day, LTCI injection every 2-3 weeks, Transfer factor tri factor plus, lysine and I'm putting vit E oil on the facial ulcer. I asked the vet about cyproheptadine for an appetite stimulant but I didn't really like the side effects. Thanks for listening, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FW: how do you search the felv archives?
I forgot to mention the mouth rinse that my vet uses: NOLVADENT - oral cleansing solution. Natalie -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 2:24 PM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] how do you search the felv archives? Sorry, I can't give you info on how to search archives, but I can tell you to give Spanky CoQ10 for keeping gums and heart and much more in good shape. Get the GNC Vegetarian formula; it comes in powder form in capsules - give 50mg daily, sprinkled into food (tasteless). All my FIV/FeLV positive and heart patient cats get it daily - really works wonders! If the antihistamine Periactin in liquid form is still available, it's great for stimulating appetite! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stacy Zacher Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] how do you search the felv archives? Hi: I'm trying to figure out how to search the felvtalk archives but I just get a list and no search box. Is there some way to search all of them at once? http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/ Spanky's gum around his fang seems slightly inflamed. Someone on this list (I think it was this list) posted a rinse they use for stomatitis/inflammation and I can't find the post. If anyone knows what this is or has another alternative, please let me know. Spanky's labs a few wks ago were all in the normal range, except as usual the WBC is still very low -- only about 2400 (up from 996 a few months ago); HCT was at the low end of normal (previous lab was 28%) -- the pet-tinic 2x a day seems to have helped. Still, he's more tired/lays around all the time and is really slow up and down the stairs and I have trouble getting him to eat. He has gone from 10 lbs down to 8.6 this year and doesn't have much interest in food. I assist feed him on days he won't eat anything. Anyway, it's frustrating as his lab numbers have gotten better or remained the same since the last tests yet he continues to decline. His non healing ulcer on his face came back as consistent with feline eosinphilic granuloma complex and my vet said the treatment for that is steroids which will further depress Spanky's immune system. We take it one day at a time and there are days I wonder how much longer he will make it :-( FELV stinks and it is sad to see a once strong, vital animal become depressed, lethargic and weak because of this awful disease. He's on Pet-tinic - 1ML 2x per day, 1/2 cc of Interferon once a day, LTCI injection every 2-3 weeks, Transfer factor tri factor plus, lysine and I'm putting vit E oil on the facial ulcer. I asked the vet about cyproheptadine for an appetite stimulant but I didn't really like the side effects. Thanks for listening, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Caroline, I can't tell you about the archives, but I can tell you about FIP and FIV. FIP is a rare mutation of a coronavirus that almost all cats that have been around other cats, shelter cats, etc have been exposed to. One of my vets puts the exposure rate to coronavirus at 95% at our local pound. So please DO NOT worry about contagion if the cat has FIP. It is a mutation. In the past it was thought that there wasn't a way to diagnose FIP without necropsy, but there are a couple of tests - these do not include the coronavirus titer test, which in and of itself means basically nothing. There is a good webinar about FIP on the Petsmart charities site, if you really want to spend your Christmas listening to a webinar on FIP. But in and of itself it IS NOT contagious. Coronavirus is contagious and it is likely that every cat in your house has been exposed to coronavirus. FIV is much harder to transmit than FELV. It is mostly transmitted through tomcats fighting and/or cats mating. If this is a tomcat and he has been fighting, he may have it, but unless he were to bite another cat in your household I would absolutely not worry. THe other thing about FIV is that there is an FIV vaccine, which once you have your cat vaccinated with he will always test + for FIV. There's a seperate test that purports to determine if the + result is from but you have to send the blood to a well-renowned university - I want to say it is UC Davis, but not quite sure. You don't say how old this cat is, but kittens can test FIV+ from maternal antibodies until about 6 months. IF you can send me a picture of the spay site I might be able to help you there. A little ooziness is normal. I may actually have follow up instructions on my computer I can send you, I will check. Feel free to call me if you like. On Dec 25, 2007 2:02 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't access the Archives. I keep trying and I keep getting an error message. It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to send this email. Anyone else tried? I'd really like to get to the Archives because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course). Took him to the doctor yesterday (had to *fight* to get approval to even do that and the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very concerned about infectious disease. Thank god- but I think he was shocked that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just got my hands on this cat and have been playing clean-up duty since the end of Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very very difficult. I didn't mince words. It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I guess. The vet is suspecting- based only on the physical exam b/c we won't get the blood tests (full panel) back on Wed. (hopefully)-- FIP, FIV, and/or Felv in that order. I am not so worried about Felv b/c I have dealt with that before and I just don't think it's transmitted that easily in non-fighting cats (my own opinion). But I have never dealt with FIP and FIV and this cat was mingled with my other fosters by the adoption agency I volunteer for before I ever even took in any cats. So basically I am freaking out that I may have FIP cats on my hands and not have known it b/c of course I am now wondering if that is what has been wrong with my weak little Possum cat all this time. I'm mad and scared and feel like I was asked to take in cats yet not given the resources to deal with them fully and protect them from each other; not to mention the caring for them with 2 hands tied behind my back b/c to get approval to take them to a vet (for the agency to pay for it) takes more arguing and hoop jumping-- the cat has to be practically dying to be able to get approval without being told things like well, if it would make YOU feel better...but I think you are overreacting. And I spent literally hundreds of dollars premium food and litter that I just don't have any money left over to rush cats out to vets and pay for it myself. I'm just sick over this. I'm trying to care for this little guy until we get the results back. I have to give him fluids- which I have never done and he's a fighter. He got fluids yesterday at the clinic, but he was still somewhat sedated from when they took his blood, so I am sure my attempt today will not go half as smooth. He's not happy about being in a crate in a room by himself either and it breaks my heart. So I wanted to look through the archives because I know FIP and FIV have been discussed before. Also, of my 3 barn kittens (totally separated from the other fosters- so don't worry about that), I
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here's the short answer: FIV is almost always transmitted through DEEP, PENETRATING BITES (the kind that boy cats inflict in testosterone-fueled rages when fighting over girl cats--which is why almost all FIV are boys.) it's NOT air-borne, water-borne, feces-borner. ie, it's not really a problem once a cat is neutered; considering this cat is ill and probably not mingling much, i expect he's not off taking bites out of people. FIP is not contagious, it's a MUTATION of one of the strains of FeCoV--corona virus, which, in most species, is the common cold. no way to predict in which cat the virus will mutate, tho there is evidence of a genetic predisposition, something that doesn't often come into consideration in rescue/situations. the information on what FIP is, and the value of what tests exist (and the very fact that there IS a highly effective, CHEAP test out there), has generally NOT reached the veterinary population--the lack of knowledge is very similar to that with FeLV, except that many cats are killed because they've been exposed to corona itself, in most cases a completely harmless virus. (human SARS is thought, last i heard, to be the people equivalent of FIP--a mutation that was deadly.) -- Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now!http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I can't access the Archives. I keep trying and I keep getting an error message. It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to send this email. Anyone else tried? I'd really like to get to the Archives because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course). Took him to the doctor yesterday (had to fight to get approval to even do that and the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very concerned about infectious disease. Thank god- but I think he was shocked that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just got my hands on this cat and have been playing clean-up duty since the end of Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very very difficult. I didn't mince words. It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I guess. The vet is suspecting- based only on the physical exam b/c we won't get the blood tests (full panel) back on Wed. (hopefully)-- FIP, FIV, and/or Felv in that order. I am not so worried about Felv b/c I have dealt with that before and I just don't think it's transmitted that easily in non-fighting cats (my own opinion). But I have never dealt with FIP and FIV and this cat was mingled with my other fosters by the adoption agency I volunteer for before I ever even took in any cats. So basically I am freaking out that I may have FIP cats on my hands and not have known it b/c of course I am now wondering if that is what has been wrong with my weak little Possum cat all this time. I'm mad and scared and feel like I was asked to take in cats yet not given the resources to deal with them fully and protect them from each other; not to mention the caring for them with 2 hands tied behind my back b/c to get approval to take them to a vet (for the agency to pay for it) takes more arguing and hoop jumping-- the cat has to be practically dying to be able to get approval without being told things like well, if it would make YOU feel better...but I think you are overreacting. And I spent literally hundreds of dollars premium food and litter that I just don't have any money left over to rush cats out to vets and pay for it myself. I'm just sick over this. I'm trying to care for this little guy until we get the results back. I have to give him fluids- which I have never done and he's a fighter. He got fluids yesterday at the clinic, but he was still somewhat sedated from when they took his blood, so I am sure my attempt today will not go half as smooth. He's not happy about being in a crate in a room by himself either and it breaks my heart. So I wanted to look through the archives because I know FIP and FIV have been discussed before. Also, of my 3 barn kittens (totally separated from the other fosters- so don't worry about that), I have one now who's little spay site seems a tad oozy. Nothing scary scary like blood or a lot of fluid, but it just doesn't look totally right. Not that I know what totally right looks like tho because I've never had a kitten this young spayed and I wasn't really given any follow-up care instructions- just been using my own common sense. But of course, I am worried. And of course, it's Christmas and that makes it very hard to call and ask anyone! Caroline _ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007
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Kelley thanks. He's a June baby- I think 6/01/07. The vet was also talking about this in these terms. I'd never met this vet before, so it took a while for us to work on a line of communication b/c once I told him about how I had Monkee (Felv), then he kind of opened up. He said the same kinds of things about the corona virus and never really be able to tell through blood tests b/c the antibodies and titers may mean nothing. That said, his concern is still with the cat that is actually presenting some wet symptoms maybe (anemia, dehydration, lethargy, malaise, fever of 103 yesterday, poor coat, poor skin (dander), horrible ear wax- but not mites- which I cleaned out yesterday at the vet clinic, red, inflamed gums, and the worst of all- the eye symptoms. Which is what made me take him from the store on Sat. He has one eye that is slightly cloudy and if you really look at it- a different color than his other green eye. It appear amber, as if it's filled with blood or something? Vet said that on exam, he can't clearly see the retinas of both eyes. Ugh. He doesn't have the fat belly (fluid filled) that I have heard mentioned tho. He's anorexic so there's no belly at all right now. Funny thing is, the little guy perked up instantly when I brought him home. He wants to play and run and have a party and I'm like, you look like H*ll! I don't think he knows it! He eats wonderfully- which surprised the vet. Guess he thought a cat with a temp wouldn't be eating, but as soon as I got him home and gave him wet Wellness kitten with nutrical, he just eats away. Of course, my mom is freaking out completely. Totally mad b/c she knows the hoops I jump through to try to get a cat to a vet (even one presenting like this) and it's exhausting mentally. So when I do finally get one to a vet (after being told to just try some Terramycin in his eyes 1st...hello? are you kidding me?!) and the vet looks at me and says, this cat is sick, sick. And I look at him and say, um, I know, that's why I took him home on Sat. and we're here on X-mas eve and I'm missing work! It enrages my mom basically. And me too. I'm trying not worry, but I think the vet is suspecting that these June babies that have been problematic kittens (URIs, etc.) may be from the same litter and born to an infected queen- which I told him I don't think they are from the same litter tho. Problem is that I don't have all the info that is needed- I wasn't volunteering for this group yet (b/c Monkee and I were still fighting the good fight against Felv and lymphoma) when someone took these orphans out of Metro AC. They were dumped on me starting back at Labor day and each has cycled through my household at one time. Except Yoda never left! I'm also concerned b/c the group I vol for doesn't combo test- I was only just told this- and I don't know why. They only test for Felv once as kittens- no retesting. Which I guess that's debatable, I just hope that vets know enough to retest a newly adopted cat when the people bring it in. They only give the two FVRCP shots and the vet gives the rabies. They don't vaccinate for Felv, FIV and FIP before adopting. But I am thinking that if since I have fosters and personal cats in my house, I need to have those cats fully protected with all these vaccines- but I guess that is debatable too. I think maybe if I wasn't taking in fosters/recuses, maybe I would go more the why vaccinate if they aren't showing titers route, but with this recent scare, I am reevaluating that. caroline Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:22:15 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Archives Hi Caroline, I can't tell you about the archives, but I can tell you about FIP and FIV. FIP is a rare mutation of a coronavirus that almost all cats that have been around other cats, shelter cats, etc have been exposed to. One of my vets puts the exposure rate to coronavirus at 95% at our local pound. So please DO NOT worry about contagion if the cat has FIP. It is a mutation. In the past it was thought that there wasn't a way to diagnose FIP without necropsy, but there are a couple of tests - these do not include the coronavirus titer test, which in and of itself means basically nothing. There is a good webinar about FIP on the Petsmart charities site, if you really want to spend your Christmas listening to a webinar on FIP. But in and of itself it IS NOT contagious. Coronavirus is contagious and it is likely that every cat in your house has been exposed to coronavirus. FIV is much harder to transmit than FELV. It is mostly transmitted through tomcats fighting and/or cats mating. If this is a tomcat and he has been fighting, he may have it, but unless he were to bite another cat in your household I would absolutely not worry. THe other thing about FIV is that there is an FIV vaccine, which once you have your cat vaccinated with he
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Also, Caroline, treatment of FIV is a walk in the park compared with treatment of FeLV. Generally FIV+ cats have a much better prognosis than FeLV+ ones, and are less sickly. An FIV+ cat has a good chance at a normal lifespan with the routine good food and vet care. Sorry you're so stressed. Hopefully the excellent advice so far has lessened your fears. Diane R. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 2:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Archives here's the short answer: FIV is almost always transmitted through DEEP, PENETRATING BITES (the kind that boy cats inflict in testosterone-fueled rages when fighting over girl cats--which is why almost all FIV are boys.) it's NOT air-borne, water-borne, feces-borner. ie, it's not really a problem once a cat is neutered; considering this cat is ill and probably not mingling much, i expect he's not off taking bites out of people. FIP is not contagious, it's a MUTATION of one of the strains of FeCoV--corona virus, which, in most species, is the common cold. no way to predict in which cat the virus will mutate, tho there is evidence of a genetic predisposition, something that doesn't often come into consideration in rescue/situations. the information on what FIP is, and the value of what tests exist (and the very fact that there IS a highly effective, CHEAP test out there), has generally NOT reached the veterinary population--the lack of knowledge is very similar to that with FeLV, except that many cats are killed because they've been exposed to corona itself, in most cases a completely harmless virus. (human SARS is thought, last i heard, to be the people equivalent of FIP--a mutation that was deadly.) _ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now! http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I'm a little less worried about FIV, despite what the vet said, b/c I knew this about the bite wounds. And none of my cats fight like that- ever. Plus, by the time I took in the wimpy, frail, undernourished (anorexic) guys, they are so slow they don't even play fight. All were neutered at 2 lbs too so these little dudes don't even know they are male and don't have an aggressive streak to save their lives! So I've been trying to funnel this info to my mom to keep her from freaking out. Her cat Tally is fully vaccinated b/c she wanted Tally to have her Felv vaccines back when Monkee and I would come over to spend the night during holidays (last christmas...sigh- it's been a rough one without that little booger). Tally and Monkee hated each other so they never ever had contact and they took turns being out in the house- but my mom wanted Tally all protected just in case we ever had an accident where one escaped from their room while the other was out (we never did). Tally has never met the sickly fosters b/c she doesn't want to, so we don't torture her- she has the house and they have their room. And my other personal cat, Izzee, who now has the run of the house with Tally- they never touch other cats-- they don't like them- so they don't associate with the fosters/kittens. Tally and Izzee hang out together, but they don't even touch each other. It's actually really funny, but at least I know there is no fighting/biting going on in this house at all. Monkee was the only one that would have done that and that is why he was my only cat while I had him...which is why I always said it was no wonder he got Felv-- little fighter that he was! thanks! caroline Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:23:27 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Archiveshere's the short answer:FIV is almost always transmitted through DEEP, PENETRATING BITES (the kind that boy cats inflict in testosterone-fueled rages when fighting over girl cats--which is why almost all FIV are boys.) it's NOT air-borne, water-borne, feces-borner. ie, it's not really a problem once a cat is neutered; considering this cat is ill and probably not mingling much, i expect he's not off taking bites out of people. FIP is not contagious, it's a MUTATION of one of the strains of FeCoV--corona virus, which, in most species, is the common cold. no way to predict in which cat the virus will mutate, tho there is evidence of a genetic predisposition, something that doesn't often come into consideration in rescue/situations. the information on what FIP is, and the value of what tests exist (and the very fact that there IS a highly effective, CHEAP test out there), has generally NOT reached the veterinary population--the lack of knowledge is very similar to that with FeLV, except that many cats are killed because they've been exposed to corona itself, in most cases a completely harmless virus. (human SARS is thought, last i heard, to be the people equivalent of FIP--a mutation that was deadly.) Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now!-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 289856892 _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec
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Yes, FIV cats don't typically have too much of a shortened lifespan - they may need dental cleanings more often. On Dec 25, 2007 2:54 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, Caroline, treatment of FIV is a walk in the park compared with treatment of FeLV. Generally FIV+ cats have a much better prognosis than FeLV+ ones, and are less sickly. An FIV+ cat has a good chance at a normal lifespan with the routine good food and vet care. Sorry you're so stressed. Hopefully the excellent advice so far has lessened your fears. Diane R. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *MaryChristine *Sent:* Tuesday, December 25, 2007 2:23 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Archives here's the short answer: FIV is almost always transmitted through DEEP, PENETRATING BITES (the kind that boy cats inflict in testosterone-fueled rages when fighting over girl cats--which is why almost all FIV are boys.) it's NOT air-borne, water-borne, feces-borner. ie, it's not really a problem once a cat is neutered; considering this cat is ill and probably not mingling much, i expect he's not off taking bites out of people. FIP is not contagious, it's a MUTATION of one of the strains of FeCoV--corona virus, which, in most species, is the common cold. no way to predict in which cat the virus will mutate, tho there is evidence of a genetic predisposition, something that doesn't often come into consideration in rescue/situations. the information on what FIP is, and the value of what tests exist (and the very fact that there IS a highly effective, CHEAP test out there), has generally NOT reached the veterinary population--the lack of knowledge is very similar to that with FeLV, except that many cats are killed because they've been exposed to corona itself, in most cases a completely harmless virus. (human SARS is thought, last i heard, to be the people equivalent of FIP--a mutation that was deadly.) -- Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now!http://www.windowslive.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart
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FIV cats generally have normal life span. I believe what normally causes their demise is dental issues. Deep bites is how FIV is transmitted to other cats, so an FIV cat can live with FIV negatives as long as it's a peaceful home. I could never bring one here because my cats fight and are particularly intolerant of new cats I've tried to introduce. sigh. Laurie - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Archives Yes, FIV cats don't typically have too much of a shortened lifespan - they may need dental cleanings more often. On Dec 25, 2007 2:54 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, Caroline, treatment of FIV is a walk in the park compared with treatment of FeLV. Generally FIV+ cats have a much better prognosis than FeLV+ ones, and are less sickly. An FIV+ cat has a good chance at a normal lifespan with the routine good food and vet care. Sorry you're so stressed. Hopefully the excellent advice so far has lessened your fears. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 2:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Archives here's the short answer: FIV is almost always transmitted through DEEP, PENETRATING BITES (the kind that boy cats inflict in testosterone-fueled rages when fighting over girl cats--which is why almost all FIV are boys.) it's NOT air-borne, water-borne, feces-borner. ie, it's not really a problem once a cat is neutered; considering this cat is ill and probably not mingling much, i expect he's not off taking bites out of people. FIP is not contagious, it's a MUTATION of one of the strains of FeCoV--corona virus, which, in most species, is the common cold. no way to predict in which cat the virus will mutate, tho there is evidence of a genetic predisposition, something that doesn't often come into consideration in rescue/situations. the information on what FIP is, and the value of what tests exist (and the very fact that there IS a highly effective, CHEAP test out there), has generally NOT reached the veterinary population--the lack of knowledge is very similar to that with FeLV, except that many cats are killed because they've been exposed to corona itself, in most cases a completely harmless virus. (human SARS is thought, last i heard, to be the people equivalent of FIP--a mutation that was deadly.) -- Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart
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I certainly agree with that. Fiv is easy - I have several FIV cats, that never get sick. Well, I have 1 that's just turned diabetic, but other than that, no problem. I mix them with my non-FIV cats, no problem. FIP, another question, like she said. They can test for FIV/FELV in- house, so I'm wondering why they didnt do that. The FIP test is really for the corona virus, which, like she said, is pretty common among cats, especially shelter cats, it's just that in some cats it mutates and causes FIP. Gloria On Dec 25, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi Caroline, I can't tell you about the archives, but I can tell you about FIP and FIV. FIP is a rare mutation of a coronavirus that almost all cats that have been around other cats, shelter cats, etc have been exposed to. One of my vets puts the exposure rate to coronavirus at 95% at our local pound. So please DO NOT worry about contagion if the cat has FIP. It is a mutation. In the past it was thought that there wasn't a way to diagnose FIP without necropsy, but there are a couple of tests - these do not include the coronavirus titer test, which in and of itself means basically nothing. There is a good webinar about FIP on the Petsmart charities site, if you really want to spend your Christmas listening to a webinar on FIP. But in and of itself it IS NOT contagious. Coronavirus is contagious and it is likely that every cat in your house has been exposed to coronavirus. FIV is much harder to transmit than FELV. It is mostly transmitted through tomcats fighting and/or cats mating. If this is a tomcat and he has been fighting, he may have it, but unless he were to bite another cat in your household I would absolutely not worry. THe other thing about FIV is that there is an FIV vaccine, which once you have your cat vaccinated with he will always test + for FIV. There's a seperate test that purports to determine if the + result is from but you have to send the blood to a well-renowned university - I want to say it is UC Davis, but not quite sure. You don't say how old this cat is, but kittens can test FIV+ from maternal antibodies until about 6 months. IF you can send me a picture of the spay site I might be able to help you there. A little ooziness is normal. I may actually have follow up instructions on my computer I can send you, I will check. Feel free to call me if you like. On Dec 25, 2007 2:02 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't access the Archives. I keep trying and I keep getting an error message. It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to send this email. Anyone else tried? I'd really like to get to the Archives because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course). Took him to the doctor yesterday (had to fight to get approval to even do that and the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very concerned about infectious disease. Thank god- but I think he was shocked that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just got my hands on this cat and have been playing clean-up duty since the end of Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very very difficult. I didn't mince words. It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I guess. The vet is suspecting- based only on the physical exam b/c we won't get the blood tests (full panel) back on Wed. (hopefully)-- FIP, FIV, and/or Felv in that order. I am not so worried about Felv b/c I have dealt with that before and I just don't think it's transmitted that easily in non-fighting cats (my own opinion). But I have never dealt with FIP and FIV and this cat was mingled with my other fosters by the adoption agency I volunteer for before I ever even took in any cats. So basically I am freaking out that I may have FIP cats on my hands and not have known it b/c of course I am now wondering if that is what has been wrong with my weak little Possum cat all this time. I'm mad and scared and feel like I was asked to take in cats yet not given the resources to deal with them fully and protect them from each other; not to mention the caring for them with 2 hands tied behind my back b/c to get approval to take them to a vet (for the agency to pay for it) takes more arguing and hoop jumping-- the cat has to be practically dying to be able to get approval without being told things like well, if it would make YOU feel better...but I think you are overreacting. And I spent literally hundreds of dollars premium food and litter that I just don't have any money left over
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Your description of the eyes sounds like uveitis, Junior had this after his initial symptoms from the FELV onset. Junior had this after he was dx with FELV. It is hard to treat and took a over a month to clear up. He was already blind in one eye but left the good eye partially blind as well. You can google for pictures but sounds like what you describe and terramycin will not clear it up. I have not dealt with FIP except I lost a cat many years ago which the vet said was FIP. This was way before testing. He went on symptoms alone. I was away at college and the cat went off to die. I will be crossing my fingers that the kitty is negative fro all these infectious diseases. I too would take FIV over FELV any day. Bless you for caring. Today is the anniversery of Tinys death. Bansy also died on this day. He too had uveitis and if Kerry is still on the gorup maybe she can give you more information as to treatment. Tiny and Bandy went to the rainbows bridge togetther. Sally On Dec 25, 2007 3:02 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't access the Archives. I keep trying and I keep getting an error message. It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to send this email. Anyone else tried? I'd really like to get to the Archives because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course). Took him to the doctor yesterday (had to *fight* to get approval to even do that and the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very concerned about infectious disease. Thank god- but I think he was shocked that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just got my hands on this cat and have been playing clean-up duty since the end of Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very very difficult. I didn't mince words. It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I guess. The vet is suspecting- based only on the physical exam b/c we won't get the blood tests (full panel) back on Wed. (hopefully)-- FIP, FIV, and/or Felv in that order. I am not so worried about Felv b/c I have dealt with that before and I just don't think it's transmitted that easily in non-fighting cats (my own opinion). But I have never dealt with FIP and FIV and this cat was mingled with my other fosters by the adoption agency I volunteer for before I ever even took in any cats. So basically I am freaking out that I may have FIP cats on my hands and not have known it b/c of course I am now wondering if that is what has been wrong with my weak little Possum cat all this time. I'm mad and scared and feel like I was asked to take in cats yet not given the resources to deal with them fully and protect them from each other; not to mention the caring for them with 2 hands tied behind my back b/c to get approval to take them to a vet (for the agency to pay for it) takes more arguing and hoop jumping-- the cat has to be practically dying to be able to get approval without being told things like well, if it would make YOU feel better...but I think you are overreacting. And I spent literally hundreds of dollars premium food and litter that I just don't have any money left over to rush cats out to vets and pay for it myself. I'm just sick over this. I'm trying to care for this little guy until we get the results back. I have to give him fluids- which I have never done and he's a fighter. He got fluids yesterday at the clinic, but he was still somewhat sedated from when they took his blood, so I am sure my attempt today will not go half as smooth. He's not happy about being in a crate in a room by himself either and it breaks my heart. So I wanted to look through the archives because I know FIP and FIV have been discussed before. Also, of my 3 barn kittens (totally separated from the other fosters- so don't worry about that), I have one now who's little spay site seems a tad oozy. Nothing scary scary like blood or a lot of fluid, but it just doesn't look totally right. Not that I know what totally right looks like tho because I've never had a kitten this young spayed and I wasn't really given any follow-up care instructions- just been using my own common sense. But of course, I am worried. And of course, it's Christmas and that makes it very hard to call and ask anyone! Caroline -- Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now!http://www.windowslive.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some
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Yes, one of my seized fosters had uveitis as well. It is very hard to treat. I don't think it has a connection with FIP though, and cats can do very well partially blind or even completely blind in one eye. On Dec 25, 2007 5:42 PM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your description of the eyes sounds like uveitis, Junior had this after his initial symptoms from the FELV onset. Junior had this after he was dx with FELV. It is hard to treat and took a over a month to clear up. He was already blind in one eye but left the good eye partially blind as well. You can google for pictures but sounds like what you describe and terramycin will not clear it up. I have not dealt with FIP except I lost a cat many years ago which the vet said was FIP. This was way before testing. He went on symptoms alone. I was away at college and the cat went off to die. I will be crossing my fingers that the kitty is negative fro all these infectious diseases. I too would take FIV over FELV any day. Bless you for caring. Today is the anniversery of Tinys death. Bansy also died on this day. He too had uveitis and if Kerry is still on the gorup maybe she can give you more information as to treatment. Tiny and Bandy went to the rainbows bridge togetther. Sally On Dec 25, 2007 3:02 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't access the Archives. I keep trying and I keep getting an error message. It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to send this email. Anyone else tried? I'd really like to get to the Archives because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course). Took him to the doctor yesterday (had to *fight* to get approval to even do that and the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very concerned about infectious disease. Thank god- but I think he was shocked that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just got my hands on this cat and have been playing clean-up duty since the end of Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very very difficult. I didn't mince words. It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I guess. The vet is suspecting- based only on the physical exam b/c we won't get the blood tests (full panel) back on Wed. (hopefully)-- FIP, FIV, and/or Felv in that order. I am not so worried about Felv b/c I have dealt with that before and I just don't think it's transmitted that easily in non-fighting cats (my own opinion). But I have never dealt with FIP and FIV and this cat was mingled with my other fosters by the adoption agency I volunteer for before I ever even took in any cats. So basically I am freaking out that I may have FIP cats on my hands and not have known it b/c of course I am now wondering if that is what has been wrong with my weak little Possum cat all this time. I'm mad and scared and feel like I was asked to take in cats yet not given the resources to deal with them fully and protect them from each other; not to mention the caring for them with 2 hands tied behind my back b/c to get approval to take them to a vet (for the agency to pay for it) takes more arguing and hoop jumping-- the cat has to be practically dying to be able to get approval without being told things like well, if it would make YOU feel better...but I think you are overreacting. And I spent literally hundreds of dollars premium food and litter that I just don't have any money left over to rush cats out to vets and pay for it myself. I'm just sick over this. I'm trying to care for this little guy until we get the results back. I have to give him fluids- which I have never done and he's a fighter. He got fluids yesterday at the clinic, but he was still somewhat sedated from when they took his blood, so I am sure my attempt today will not go half as smooth. He's not happy about being in a crate in a room by himself either and it breaks my heart. So I wanted to look through the archives because I know FIP and FIV have been discussed before. Also, of my 3 barn kittens (totally separated from the other fosters- so don't worry about that), I have one now who's little spay site seems a tad oozy. Nothing scary scary like blood or a lot of fluid, but it just doesn't look totally right. Not that I know what totally right looks like tho because I've never had a kitten this young spayed and I wasn't really given any follow-up care instructions- just been using my own common sense. But of course, I am worried. And of course, it's Christmas and that makes it very hard to call and ask anyone! Caroline
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Yes I agree and I would think more likely FELV than FIP. Hopefully it is none of these. Junior handles his bad eyesight very well. He hisses a lot at the other cats though. Sally On Dec 25, 2007 6:48 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, one of my seized fosters had uveitis as well. It is very hard to treat. I don't think it has a connection with FIP though, and cats can do very well partially blind or even completely blind in one eye. On Dec 25, 2007 5:42 PM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your description of the eyes sounds like uveitis, Junior had this after his initial symptoms from the FELV onset. Junior had this after he was dx with FELV. It is hard to treat and took a over a month to clear up. He was already blind in one eye but left the good eye partially blind as well. You can google for pictures but sounds like what you describe and terramycin will not clear it up. I have not dealt with FIP except I lost a cat many years ago which the vet said was FIP. This was way before testing. He went on symptoms alone. I was away at college and the cat went off to die. I will be crossing my fingers that the kitty is negative fro all these infectious diseases. I too would take FIV over FELV any day. Bless you for caring. Today is the anniversery of Tinys death. Bansy also died on this day. He too had uveitis and if Kerry is still on the gorup maybe she can give you more information as to treatment. Tiny and Bandy went to the rainbows bridge togetther. Sally On Dec 25, 2007 3:02 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't access the Archives. I keep trying and I keep getting an error message. It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to send this email. Anyone else tried? I'd really like to get to the Archives because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course). Took him to the doctor yesterday (had to *fight* to get approval to even do that and the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very concerned about infectious disease. Thank god- but I think he was shocked that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just got my hands on this cat and have been playing clean-up duty since the end of Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very very difficult. I didn't mince words. It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I guess. The vet is suspecting- based only on the physical exam b/c we won't get the blood tests (full panel) back on Wed. (hopefully)-- FIP, FIV, and/or Felv in that order. I am not so worried about Felv b/c I have dealt with that before and I just don't think it's transmitted that easily in non-fighting cats (my own opinion). But I have never dealt with FIP and FIV and this cat was mingled with my other fosters by the adoption agency I volunteer for before I ever even took in any cats. So basically I am freaking out that I may have FIP cats on my hands and not have known it b/c of course I am now wondering if that is what has been wrong with my weak little Possum cat all this time. I'm mad and scared and feel like I was asked to take in cats yet not given the resources to deal with them fully and protect them from each other; not to mention the caring for them with 2 hands tied behind my back b/c to get approval to take them to a vet (for the agency to pay for it) takes more arguing and hoop jumping-- the cat has to be practically dying to be able to get approval without being told things like well, if it would make YOU feel better...but I think you are overreacting. And I spent literally hundreds of dollars premium food and litter that I just don't have any money left over to rush cats out to vets and pay for it myself. I'm just sick over this. I'm trying to care for this little guy until we get the results back. I have to give him fluids- which I have never done and he's a fighter. He got fluids yesterday at the clinic, but he was still somewhat sedated from when they took his blood, so I am sure my attempt today will not go half as smooth. He's not happy about being in a crate in a room by himself either and it breaks my heart. So I wanted to look through the archives because I know FIP and FIV have been discussed before. Also, of my 3 barn kittens (totally separated from the other fosters- so don't worry about that), I have one now who's little spay site seems a tad oozy. Nothing scary scary like blood or a lot of fluid, but it just doesn't look
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I know he wanted to run a full blood panel so maybe that is why? He wants to look at the thyroid- altho he said he doubted it was that; liver, wbc, rbc, platelets, etc., you name it. Like I said, it was my first time seeing this vet and so we working on building rapport, at the same time treating this cat and the office was also pretty crazy that day- pretty frantic. Let me tell you tho, I gave the cat his subcu fluids today and it was, uh, h*ll. My 19 yo cat got subcu fluids the last year of his life and altho I never administered it on him, I have no doubt it was NOTHING like giving fluids to a fully awake, 6 mth old kitten who's been trapped in his crate all day, already feeling 10 times better apparently and raring to go! Let me note the tech showed me how to do it yesterday when the cat was still knocked out from havin the blood drawn! So, it sucked, but I managed, but not without first getting a lot of the iv fluid all over him and myself! It's obvious tho that he feels so much better already...it's kind of weird. He wants to take off and run around the house like a crazy man and I'm like, you have a fluid bump little man...and it's leaking! We're not running around the house leaking fluid! caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: ArchivesDate: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:16:43 -0600I certainly agree with that. Fiv is easy - I have several FIV cats, that never get sick. Well, I have 1 that's just turned diabetic, but other than that, no problem. I mix them with my non-FIV cats, no problem. FIP, another question, like she said. They can test for FIV/FELV in-house, so I'm wondering why they didnt do that. The FIP test is really for the corona virus, which, like she said, is pretty common among cats, especially shelter cats, it's just that in some cats it mutates and causes FIP. Gloria On Dec 25, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi Caroline, I can't tell you about the archives, but I can tell you about FIP and FIV. FIP is a rare mutation of a coronavirus that almost all cats that have been around other cats, shelter cats, etc have been exposed to. One of my vets puts the exposure rate to coronavirus at 95% at our local pound. So please DO NOT worry about contagion if the cat has FIP. It is a mutation. In the past it was thought that there wasn't a way to diagnose FIP without necropsy, but there are a couple of tests - these do not include the coronavirus titer test, which in and of itself means basically nothing. There is a good webinar about FIP on the Petsmart charities site, if you really want to spend your Christmas listening to a webinar on FIP. But in and of itself it IS NOT contagious. Coronavirus is contagious and it is likely that every cat in your house has been exposed to coronavirus. FIV is much harder to transmit than FELV. It is mostly transmitted through tomcats fighting and/or cats mating. If this is a tomcat and he has been fighting, he may have it, but unless he were to bite another cat in your household I would absolutely not worry. THe other thing about FIV is that there is an FIV vaccine, which once you have your cat vaccinated with he will always test + for FIV. There's a seperate test that purports to determine if the + result is from but you have to send the blood to a well-renowned university - I want to say it is UC Davis, but not quite sure. You don't say how old this cat is, but kittens can test FIV+ from maternal antibodies until about 6 months. IF you can send me a picture of the spay site I might be able to help you there. A little ooziness is normal. I may actually have follow up instructions on my computer I can send you, I will check. Feel free to call me if you like. On Dec 25, 2007 2:02 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't access the Archives. I keep trying and I keep getting an error message. It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to send this email. Anyone else tried?I'd really like to get to the Archives because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course). Took him to the doctor yesterday (had to fight to get approval to even do that and the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very concerned about infectious disease. Thank god- but I think he was shocked that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just got my hands on this cat and have been playing clean-up duty since the end of Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very very difficult. I didn't mince words. It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I guess. The vet is suspecting- based only
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you have a fluid bump little man...and it's leaking! We're not running around the house leaking fluid! humans are NO fun at all, at all. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I'll let everyone know. I feel better. I felt a little panicky earlier today and that is why I hit the internet to ask you all- on Christmas! Sorry! It's also been so hard b/c I've been so depressed missing Monkee this Christmas. He made x-mas fun! Since I'm 30 and single, no kids, he was my kid and I got him tons of presents and we had a banner x-mas last year- he got so much stuff last year it was insane! So I've been sad thinking about that and then with the thoughts of my fosters having something really bad and worrying about exposure and the problems I'm having with the group I vol for, it was just all too overwhelming But I do feel better now and I appreciate the help and insight that came so quickly. That's why I continue to think this group is just so wonderful. I'm still holding out hope that I get lucky and it's just some kind of infection- albeit a bad one- coupled with malnourishment/anorexia (which is a whole other bag of worms that I would need to tackle- both to rehab him and to call attention to the fact that he was in that state to begin with, but that would be definitely more manageable). I'll keep everyone updated. thanks for the help! caroline Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:59:06 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Archives Yes I agree and I would think more likely FELV than FIP. Hopefully it is none of these. Junior handles his bad eyesight very well. He hisses a lot at the other cats though. Sally On Dec 25, 2007 6:48 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, one of my seized fosters had uveitis as well. It is very hard to treat. I don't think it has a connection with FIP though, and cats can do very well partially blind or even completely blind in one eye. On Dec 25, 2007 5:42 PM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your description of the eyes sounds like uveitis, Junior had this after his initial symptoms from the FELV onset. Junior had this after he was dx with FELV. It is hard to treat and took a over a month to clear up. He was already blind in one eye but left the good eye partially blind as well. You can google for pictures but sounds like what you describe and terramycin will not clear it up. I have not dealt with FIP except I lost a cat many years ago which the vet said was FIP. This was way before testing. He went on symptoms alone. I was away at college and the cat went off to die. I will be crossing my fingers that the kitty is negative fro all these infectious diseases. I too would take FIV over FELV any day. Bless you for caring. Today is the anniversery of Tinys death. Bansy also died on this day. He too had uveitis and if Kerry is still on the gorup maybe she can give you more information as to treatment. Tiny and Bandy went to the rainbows bridge togetther. Sally On Dec 25, 2007 3:02 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't access the Archives. I keep trying and I keep getting an error message. It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to send this email. Anyone else tried?I'd really like to get to the Archives because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course). Took him to the doctor yesterday (had to fight to get approval to even do that and the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very concerned about infectious disease. Thank god- but I think he was shocked that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just got my hands on this cat and have been playing clean-up duty since the end of Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very very difficult. I didn't mince words. It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I guess. The vet is suspecting- based only on the physical exam b/c we won't get the blood tests (full panel) back on Wed. (hopefully)-- FIP, FIV, and/or Felv in that order. I am not so worried about Felv b/c I have dealt with that before and I just don't think it's transmitted that easily in non-fighting cats (my own opinion). But I have never dealt with FIP and FIV and this cat was mingled with my other fosters by the adoption agency I volunteer for before I ever even took in any cats. So basically I am freaking out that I may have FIP cats on my hands and not have known it b/c of course I am now wondering if that is what has been wrong with my weak little Possum cat all this time. I'm mad and scared and feel like I was asked to take in cats yet not given the resources to deal with them fully and protect them from each other; not to mention the caring for them with 2 hands tied behind my back b/c to get approval to take them to a vet (for the agency to pay
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My Frankie has 10-20% vision in one eye and his retina in the other eye is completely gone. Vet thinks it's genetic. He does pretty well as long as I don't move things or put new things in previously empty spots. He also hisses at and even attacks my other cats. He hates to be carried around because he loses his bearings. All in all he does very well and still gets to his favorite napping spot on top of our tallest (5 foot) cat standhe's more affectionate and food driven since losing his vision. Touch, sound and smell senses are heightened. L - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: Re: Archives Yes I agree and I would think more likely FELV than FIP. Hopefully it is none of these. Junior handles his bad eyesight very well. He hisses a lot at the other cats though. Sally On Dec 25, 2007 6:48 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, one of my seized fosters had uveitis as well. It is very hard to treat. I don't think it has a connection with FIP though, and cats can do very well partially blind or even completely blind in one eye. On Dec 25, 2007 5:42 PM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your description of the eyes sounds like uveitis, Junior had this after his initial symptoms from the FELV onset. Junior had this after he was dx with FELV. It is hard to treat and took a over a month to clear up. He was already blind in one eye but left the good eye partially blind as well. You can google for pictures but sounds like what you describe and terramycin will not clear it up. I have not dealt with FIP except I lost a cat many years ago which the vet said was FIP. This was way before testing. He went on symptoms alone. I was away at college and the cat went off to die. I will be crossing my fingers that the kitty is negative fro all these infectious diseases. I too would take FIV over FELV any day. Bless you for caring. Today is the anniversery of Tinys death. Bansy also died on this day. He too had uveitis and if Kerry is still on the gorup maybe she can give you more information as to treatment. Tiny and Bandy went to the rainbows bridge togetther. Sally On Dec 25, 2007 3:02 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't access the Archives. I keep trying and I keep getting an error message. It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to send this email. Anyone else tried? I'd really like to get to the Archives because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course). Took him to the doctor yesterday (had to fight to get approval to even do that and the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very concerned about infectious disease. Thank god- but I think he was shocked that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just got my hands on this cat and have been playing clean-up duty since the end of Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very very difficult. I didn't mince words. It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I guess. The vet is suspecting- based only on the physical exam b/c we won't get the blood tests (full panel) back on Wed. (hopefully)-- FIP, FIV, and/or Felv in that order. I am not so worried about Felv b/c I have dealt with that before and I just don't think it's transmitted that easily in non-fighting cats (my own opinion). But I have never dealt with FIP and FIV and this cat was mingled with my other fosters by the adoption agency I volunteer for before I ever even took in any cats. So basically I am freaking out that I may have FIP cats on my hands and not have known it b/c of course I am now wondering if that is what has been wrong with my weak little Possum cat all this time. I'm mad and scared and feel like I was asked to take in cats yet not given the resources to deal with them fully and protect them from each other; not to mention the caring for them with 2 hands tied behind my back b/c to get approval to take them to a vet (for the agency to pay for it) takes more arguing and hoop jumping-- the cat has to be practically dying to be able to get approval without being told things like well, if it would make YOU feel better...but I think you are overreacting. And I spent literally hundreds of dollars premium food and litter that I just don't have any money left over to rush cats out to vets and pay for it myself. I'm just sick over this. I'm trying to care for this little guy until we get the results back. I have to give him fluids- which I
Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C?
Does anyone know how I find archived messages re Brewer's Yeast. I know there was discussion on this and I want to start Isabella on itThe holistic vet I consulted wants us to use Vitamin C, too. What do others use for this? THANKS! Laurie
Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C?
Hi Laurie, Go to the web page http://www.felineleukemia.org/ Up near the top there is a banner with the word Archives Click on Archives, Click on Search the FeLVTalk Archive Select/click on a date/range to search When the next page comes up, there will be a search box at the top. Enter whatever you want to search on hit search Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, laurieskatz wrote: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:29:07 -0600 From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Does anyone know how I find archived messages re Brewer's Yeast. I know there was discussion on this and I want to start Isabella on itThe holistic vet I consulted wants us to use Vitamin C, too. What do others use for this? THANKS! Laurie
Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C?
Thanks :-) L - Original Message - From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Hi Laurie, Go to the web page http://www.felineleukemia.org/ Up near the top there is a banner with the word Archives Click on Archives, Click on Search the FeLVTalk Archive Select/click on a date/range to search When the next page comes up, there will be a search box at the top. Enter whatever you want to search on hit search Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, laurieskatz wrote: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:29:07 -0600 From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Does anyone know how I find archived messages re Brewer's Yeast. I know there was discussion on this and I want to start Isabella on itThe holistic vet I consulted wants us to use Vitamin C, too. What do others use for this? THANKS! Laurie
Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C?
Dixie eats chopped high vitamin C veggies but the tech of a holistic vet I know uses the Wal-Mart brand of tablets and cuts them into 1/4 and grinds them. Start slowly and work up with the vitamin C and with the Brewer's Yeast. If you don't you may get unpleasant side effects. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Does anyone know how I find archived messages re Brewer's Yeast. I know there was discussion on this and I want to start Isabella on itThe holistic vet I consulted wants us to use Vitamin C, too. What do others use for this? THANKS! Laurie
Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C?
Laurie be careful with the Brewers yeast. One of my Scotties developed itchy, bright red ears, as a result of an allergic reaction to it. The minute my vet saw her she asked if I had been using Brewer's yeast. Cats may react differently, but 'heads up'. Jane On Jul 12, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie eats chopped high vitamin C veggies but the tech of a holistic vet I know uses the Wal-Mart brand of tablets and cuts them into 1/4 and grinds them. Start slowly and work up with the vitamin C and with the Brewer's Yeast. If you don't you may get unpleasant side effects. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Does anyone know how I find archived messages re Brewer's Yeast. I know there was discussion on this and I want to start Isabella on itThe holistic vet I consulted wants us to use Vitamin C, too. What do others use for this? THANKS! Laurie
RE: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C?
I think I posted something about this Brewer's Yeast before-I was wondering if it was the same as Nutritional Yeast which I use on my popcorn, and it contains a warning about the high levels of iron which are dangerous to children (and I assume to cats as well). I've been wondering about giving it to the kitties. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Laurie be careful with the Brewers yeast. One of my Scotties developed itchy, bright red ears, as a result of an allergic reaction to it. The minute my vet saw her she asked if I had been using Brewer's yeast. Cats may react differently, but 'heads up'. Jane On Jul 12, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie eats chopped high vitamin C veggies but the tech of a holistic vet I know uses the Wal-Mart brand of tablets and cuts them into 1/4 and grinds them. Start slowly and work up with the vitamin C and with the Brewer's Yeast. If you don't you may get unpleasant side effects. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Does anyone know how I find archived messages re Brewer's Yeast. I know there was discussion on this and I want to start Isabella on itThe holistic vet I consulted wants us to use Vitamin C, too. What do others use for this? THANKS! Laurie
Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C?
It is the same thing according to the local health food store L - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: RE: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? I think I posted something about this Brewer's Yeast before-I was wondering if it was the same as Nutritional Yeast which I use on my popcorn, and it contains a warning about the high levels of iron which are dangerous to children (and I assume to cats as well). I've been wondering about giving it to the kitties. Melissa -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Laurie be careful with the Brewers yeast. One of my Scotties developed itchy, bright red ears, as a result of an allergic reaction to it. The minute my vet saw her she asked if I had been using Brewer's yeast. Cats may react differently, but 'heads up'. Jane On Jul 12, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie eats chopped high vitamin C veggies but the tech of a holistic vet I know uses the Wal-Mart brand of tablets and cuts them into 1/4 and grinds them. Start slowly and work up with the vitamin C and with the Brewer's Yeast. If you don't you may get unpleasant side effects. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Does anyone know how I find archived messages re Brewer's Yeast. I know there was discussion on this and I want to start Isabella on itThe holistic vet I consulted wants us to use Vitamin C, too. What do others use for this? THANKS! Laurie
Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C?
After checking the lables @ the store the other day, nutritional yeast had 10 times the amount of iron than Brewer's Yeast. I am npow feeding the Nutritional, but will be researching this further... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? It is the same thing according to the local health food store L - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: RE: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? I think I posted something about this Brewer's Yeast before-I was wondering if it was the same as Nutritional Yeast which I use on my popcorn, and it contains a warning about the high levels of iron which are dangerous to children (and I assume to cats as well). I've been wondering about giving it to the kitties. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Laurie be careful with the Brewers yeast. One of my Scotties developed itchy, bright red ears, as a result of an allergic reaction to it. The minute my vet saw her she asked if I had been using Brewer's yeast. Cats may react differently, but 'heads up'. Jane On Jul 12, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie eats chopped high vitamin C veggies but the tech of a holistic vet I know uses the Wal-Mart brand of tablets and cuts them into 1/4 and grinds them. Start slowly and work up with the vitamin C and with the Brewer's Yeast. If you don't you may get unpleasant side effects. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Does anyone know how I find archived messages re Brewer's Yeast. I know there was discussion on this and I want to start Isabella on itThe holistic vet I consulted wants us to use Vitamin C, too. What do others use for this? THANKS! Laurie
Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C?
Right - might check out http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-brewers-yeast.htm Gloria At 05:14 PM 7/12/2007, you wrote: It is the same thing according to the local health food store L - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Melissa Lind To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: RE: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? I think I posted something about this Brewers Yeast beforeI was wondering if it was the same as Nutritional Yeast which I use on my popcorn, and it contains a warning about the high levels of iron which are dangerous to children (and I assume to cats as well). Ive been wondering about giving it to the kitties. Melissa -- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Laurie be careful with the Brewers yeast. One of my Scotties developed itchy, bright red ears, as a result of an allergic reaction to it. The minute my vet saw her she asked if I had been using Brewer's yeast. Cats may react differently, but 'heads up'. Jane On Jul 12, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Marylyn wrote: ?fontfamily?param ArialDixie eats chopped high vitamin C veggies but the tech of a holistic vet I know uses the Wal-Mart brand of tablets and cuts them into 1/4 and grinds them. Start slowly and work up with the vitamin C and with the Brewer's Yeast. If you don't you may get unpleasant side effects. ?/fontfamily If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis ?fontfamily?param Arial?smaller?x-tad-smaller- Original Message - ?/x-tad-smaller?/smaller?/fontfamily ?fontfamily?param Arial?smaller?x-tad-smallerFrom:?/x-tad-smaller?/smaller?/fontfamily?fontfamily?param Arial?smaller?x-tad-smaller ?/x-tad-smaller?color?param ,,?x-tad-smallerlaurieskatz?/x-tad-smaller?/color?x-tad-smaller ?/x-tad-smaller?/smaller?/fontfamily ?fontfamily?param Arial?smaller?x-tad-smallerTo:?/x-tad-smaller?/smaller?/fontfamily?fontfamily?param Arial?smaller?x-tad-smaller ?/x-tad-smaller?color?param ,,?x-tad-smallerfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org?/x-tad-smaller?/color?x-tad-smaller ?/x-tad-smaller?/smaller?/fontfamily ?fontfamily?param Arial?smaller?x-tad-smallerSent:?/x-tad-smaller?/smaller?/fontfamily?fontfamily?param Arial?smaller?x-tad-smaller Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM ?/x-tad-smaller?/smaller?/fontfamily ?fontfamily?param Arial?smaller?x-tad-smallerSubject:?/x-tad-smaller?/smaller?/fontfamily?fontfamily?param Arial?smaller?x-tad-smaller Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? ?/x-tad-smaller?/smaller?/fontfamily ?fontfamily?param Arial?smaller?x-tad-smallerDoes anyone know how I find archived messages re Brewer's Yeast. I know there was discussion on this and I want to start ?/x-tad-smaller?/smaller?/fontfamily ?fontfamily?param Arial?smaller?x-tad-smallerIsabella on itThe holistic vet I consulted wants us to use Vitamin C, too. What do others use for this? THANKS! ?/x-tad-smaller?/smaller?/fontfamily ?fontfamily?param Arial?smaller?x-tad-smallerLaurie ?/x-tad-smaller?/smaller?/fontfamily
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How/where do I find the archives?Thank you, Gina Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diane,Have you tried the raw liver shake yet?Even tho it's primarily used for anemia, it'ssupposed to be very healing (was developed bya holistic vet in Hawaii). My kitties alwaysseem to like it whenever they've been underthe weather. It's listed in the archives, butif you have trouble finding it, I can forwardanother copy to you.Kat (Mew Jersey)On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:15:51 -0500 From: "Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Patches I'm worried about Patches. The little bugger just won't eat enough. He's been sickly since we got him, with runny eyes every day, but it's been worse in the past week or so. We took him to the vet Saturday, and he had a fever, so the vet put him on antibiotics (I don't even remember which one, it's kind of a gray pill that we give 1/2 per day) and gave us eyedrops and set us up to syringe-feed him and give fluids as needed. We think the fever is down, he's somewhat more active than he was a few days ago, and his eyes are looking better, though still runny. I haven't seen him sneezing, though sometimes it looks like he's got the same dried gunk in his nose as in his eyes. We've been syringe-feeding him, which he of course hates, but we can only get about half a can down him which isn't enough, and he's probably down a good pound by now. My housemate is on 3rd shift, I work days, so the only time we can syringe him is at night. We tried KFC, warmed, and he showed an interest the first time, but not so much the two subsequent times. Tonight we try baby food. When our Luc got pancreatitis followed by fatty liver and stopped eating, we had to have an esophageal tube put in, it was so stressful on us all to syringe him, but that ended up costing us $1200 ($600 of it for the overnight stay at the vet because he doesn't tolerate anesthesia very well) which was most of my savings and some of Gail's. Luc is our special guy and it saved his life and it was worth it, but we simply can't afford that again. Patches has been very good under very bad circumstances. Even when he's fighting to get away from the syringe, he doesn't use his claws or try to bite. Multiple times during the feedings he'll look like he's going to barf, but he has kept it all down. He's a sweet boy and we want him to get through this. Any suggestions on how to get some good calories into him? I'm off work tomorrow and we can probably manage 3 syringe sessions for the next couple days, but I'm not sure that will be enough. He goes back to the vet Saturday. (Gail has just informed me that she tried thin-sliced luncheon meat on him this morning, and he ate a whole slice. She offered him a second slice, but he yacked on it (just a little bit though) and walked away. Oh, and last night he ate *one* of the treats he used to climb up our noses to get.) Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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Title: Message Go to www.felineleukemia.org home page. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gina WNSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:17 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Archives? How/where do I find the archives? Thank you, Gina Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diane,Have you tried the raw liver shake yet?Even tho it's primarily used for anemia, it'ssupposed to be very healing (was developed bya holistic vet in Hawaii). My kitties alwaysseem to like it whenever they've been underthe weather. It's listed in the archives, butif you have trouble finding it, I can forwardanother copy to you.Kat (Mew Jersey)On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:15:51 -0500 From: "Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Patches I'm worried about Patches. The little bugger just won't eat enough. He's been sickly since we got him, with runny eyes every day, but it's been worse in the past week or so. We took him to the vet Saturday, and he had a fever, so the vet put him on antibiotics (I don't even remember which one, it's kind of a gray pill that we give 1/2 per day) and gave us eyedrops and set us up to syringe-feed him and give fluids as needed. We think the fever is down, he's somewhat more active than he was a few days ago, and his eyes are looking better, though still runny. I haven't seen him sneezing, though sometimes it looks like he's got the same dried gunk in his nose as in his eyes. We've been syringe-feeding him, which he of course hates, but we can only get about half a can down him which isn't enough, and he's probably down a good pound by now. My housemate is on 3rd shift, I work days, so the only time we can syringe him is at night. We tried KFC, warmed, and he showed an interest the first time, but not so much the two subsequent times. Tonight we try baby food. When our Luc got pancreatitis followed by fatty liver and stopped eating, we had to have an esophageal tube put in, it was so stressful on us all to syringe him, but that ended up costing us $1200 ($600 of it for the overnight stay at the vet because he doesn't tolerate anesthesia very well) which was most of my savings and some of Gail's. Luc is our special guy and it saved his life and it was worth it, but we simply can't afford that again. Patches has been very good under very bad circumstances. Even when he's fighting to get away from the syringe, he doesn't use his claws or try to bite. Multiple times during the feedings he'll look like he's going to barf, but he has kept it all down. He's a sweet boy and we want him to get through this. Any suggestions on how to get some good calories into him? I'm off work tomorrow and we can probably manage 3 syringe sessions for the next couple days, but I'm not sure that will be enough. He goes back to the vet Saturday. (Gail has just informed me that she tried thin-sliced luncheon meat on him this morning, and he ate a whole slice. She offered him a second slice, but he yacked on it (just a little bit though) and walked away. Oh, and last night he ate *one* of the treats he used to climb up our noses to get.) Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Do you Yahoo!?Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an
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You can go to felvtalk and enter a word or phrase in the search field, then hit enter. Here's the link: http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk%40felineleukemia.org/ Let us know if you have any trouble, Nina Gina WN wrote: How/where do I find the archives? Thank you, Gina
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Thanks, that was going to be my next question! The liver shake looksabsolutely awful. Still, it's definitely worth a shot. Thanks, Kat, for pointing me toward it. Am I to assume that one gets kelp powder and spirulina at a health food store? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Archives? You can go to felvtalk and enter a word or phrase in the search field, then hit enter. Here's the link: http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk%40felineleukemia.org/ Let us know if you have any trouble, Nina Gina WN wrote: How/where do I find the archives? Thank you, Gina This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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That is an excellent resource! Thank you :)Gina Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can go to "felvtalk" and enter a word or phrase in the search field, then hit enter. Here's the link: http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk%40felineleukemia.org/Let us know if you have any trouble,NinaGina WN wrote: How/where do I find the archives? Thank you, GinaNo heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
