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Michelle, I am so sorry for your loss. I felt like I knew Bramble too. I know you are going to miss him so much after spending so much time caring for him. I'm so glad he had such a loving home. You were both lucky to find each other and Bramble knows how much you loved him. tonyaDel Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle, Peace to you and your sweet Bramble. He is surely romping once again, healthy and full of vigor. You fought hard for him and gave him the love he deserved. Hugs, Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Thanks Thankyou all for kind words over Brambles passing. I am at peace becase I know it was right for him. He told me he had had enough and I am in no doubt of that. I can't remember who it was here who suggeted communicating with your cats in that way but I thank you so much - it is the way I will go in future - it was a learning experience but so spiritual - I listened and I heard - and it was right each time. What does upset me is that Buddy and Minstrel are upset now - both are disturbed and looking around for him - especially Buddy as she looked after him and washed him - I was doing well but havejust rolled around screaming in tears trying to explain to them what had happened. What I did forget to say though in my last mail is that when I took Bramble in from the sanctuary I promised I would never let him down and that I would never dessert him (as his last 2 owners dumped him when he was sick) - I recited this promise to him today and his ashes are coming home to stay with me despite only having him for a short time- I loved him as much as I ever could and he belongs with me. Michelle
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Michelle, Peace to you and your sweet Bramble. He is surely romping once again, healthy and full of vigor. You fought hard for him and gave him the love he deserved. Hugs, Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Thanks Thankyou all for kind words over Brambles passing. I am at peace becase I know it was right for him. He told me he had had enough and I am in no doubt of that. I can't remember who it was here who suggeted communicating with your cats in that way but I thank you so much - it is the way I will go in future - it was a learning experience but so spiritual - I listened and I heard - and it was right each time. What does upset me is that Buddy and Minstrel are upset now - both are disturbed and looking around for him - especially Buddy as she looked after him and washed him - I was doing well but havejust rolled around screaming in tears trying to explain to them what had happened. What I did forget to say though in my last mail is that when I took Bramble in from the sanctuary I promised I would never let him down and that I would never dessert him (as his last 2 owners dumped him when he was sick) - I recited this promise to him today and his ashes are coming home to stay with me despite only having him for a short time- I loved him as much as I ever could and he belongs with me. Michelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Thanks for that info, Jo. I wasa big fan of Rebound (a liquid meal replacement for sick cats; had some electroloyetes in it, too) until they changed the formula! Since I discovered it, I always had sick kitties lap it; NOW, the new improved formula is a) lower in calories (?huh? why would you decrease calories to an animal who's not eating?) and b) far less palatable if my tribe is any indication. Michelle, how about the oil or water from a can of tuna or mackeral? Sending best wishes and hoping Bramble will eat soon. Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen this mentioned, but its worth a shot... Have you tried CliniCare? Its like Ensure for kitties... in fact they are made by the same company. Its complete nutrition and its even used for kitties fed via a tube. Here's a link so you know what to look for. http://www.abbottanimalhealth.com/nut_clinicare_caninefeline.html I'm on 9 different groups and its used across the boards. Since its liquid, it can be force fed via a syringe. Hope this helps, Jo __ In a message dated 8/2/2005 4:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any ideas pleaseBramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell)I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight.Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I haven't seen this mentioned, but its worth a shot... Have you tried CliniCare? Its like Ensure for kitties... in fact they are made by the same company. Its complete nutrition and its even used for kitties fed via a tube. Here's a link so you know what to look for. http://www.abbottanimalhealth.com/nut_clinicare_caninefeline.html I'm on 9 different groups and its used across the boards. Since its liquid, it can be force fed via a syringe. Hope this helps, Jo __ In a message dated 8/2/2005 4:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any ideas pleaseBramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell)I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight.Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel
Re: Bramble fluids periactin ect..
Michelle, Sniffing at food is a good sign and is often a precursor to them starting to eat on their own. Michelle
Re: Bramble fluids periactin ect..
(just make sure you have a barf bag right next to you when you go to open it) LOL! Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~ Hi Michelle, I'm not sure if this is the same or not in the UK (that's where you are located, correct?) but in the US, you can purchase a plastic tub of chicken livers. The are literally floating in blood and the whole thing is reasonably disgusting, but rather than make the liver shake, if you could obtain the tub of livers, you could simply take the lid off and set it out for Bramble to see if it would tempt him. Raw liver has tempted some of my kitties when absolutely nothing else would, and sometimes when they get those taste buds going, it gets them curious about what else might be around to much on. Hope this helps; sending a big hugs and lots of positive energy. Julie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/2005
Re: Bramble update
That is really great! And you have no idea how crazy you sound saying that your mom has cat care duties because you are parachuting for a donkey sanctuary! It's why I love this group! Michelle In a message dated 8/12/05 5:31:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Today Bramble would only tolerate 25ml of syringe feeding but he ate a full tin of Purina Gourmet complemetary food along with a few complete food biscuits a little complete food kitekat meat - all on his own. Fingers crossed he carries on this way. My mum is on cat care duties for most of tomorrow as I'm out parachuting to raise money for a donkey sanctuary - getting jittery - first time parachuting - 3500 feet. Beenscheduled a long time. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
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Crazy? Not for THIS group! ROFL =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: Re: Bramble update That is really great! And you have no idea how crazy you sound saying that your mom has cat care duties because you are parachuting for a donkey sanctuary! It's why I love this group! Michelle In a message dated 8/12/05 5:31:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Today Bramble would only tolerate 25ml of syringe feeding but he ate a full tin of Purina Gourmet complemetary food along with a few complete food biscuits a little complete food kitekat meat - all on his own. Fingers crossed he carries on this way. My mum is on cat care duties for most of tomorrow as I'm out parachuting to raise money for a donkey sanctuary - getting jittery - first time parachuting - 3500 feet. Beenscheduled a long time. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
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Wow, Michelle! What wonderful news about Bramble! I have my fingers crossed! Best of luck tomorrow; I think what you're doing is fantastic and you have WAY more gumption than I do! I don't even like being up in the air when I stay inside the plane! Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today Bramble would only tolerate 25ml of syringe feeding but he ate a full tin of Purina Gourmet complemetary food along with a few complete food biscuits a little complete food kitekat meat - all on his own. Fingers crossed he carries on this way. My mum is on cat care duties for most of tomorrow as I'm out parachuting to raise money for a donkey sanctuary - getting jittery - first time parachuting - 3500 feet. Beenscheduled a long time. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Dear Michelle Great to hear that Bramble is enjoying his food---AND eating on his own now. He's obviously benefiting from your strength---I can't tell you how much I admire you, Michelle, for signing up for a parachute jump for the donkey sanctuary. ICAN tell you however that that's one of the three P's I've always feared most in life (the other two being pregnancy--too old now--and public speaking!). Yep, you'll see me sprouting wings before you see me parachute--I'm way, waytoo much of a coward. You go girl! And let us know how it goes! (Since I happen to have a British checkbook, let me know where to send you a donation (and give me an idea ontheaverage donation so I don't embarrass myself!) Good luck--we're all cheering you on from across the pond! And big hugs to Bramble. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: Bramble update Today Bramble would only tolerate 25ml of syringe feeding but he ate a full tin of Purina Gourmet complemetary food along with a few complete food biscuits a little complete food kitekat meat - all on his own. Fingers crossed he carries on this way. My mum is on cat care duties for most of tomorrow as I'm out parachuting to raise money for a donkey sanctuary - getting jittery - first time parachuting - 3500 feet. Beenscheduled a long time. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
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Parachuting? You are CRAZY! I'd rather perform home dentistry with a pair of pliers and an ice pick! You do have a will that specifies for the care of your cats if you die, right? Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/2005
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and the first thing i said when i came out of the anesthetic after my second back surgery was, i guess this means i never will get to take up skydiving, huh? i LOVE heights, always wanted to do parachuting.. yep, we are a STRANGE group of folks -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Michelle, Hi, hope Bramble is eating some more today.. I have used a feeding tube in the past...I had a kitty that hadlymphosarcoma, so she wasput on chemo monthly and had to have a tube which when they did the exploratory and found they couldn't remove the mass they just inserted it then...They usually only keep it a few months while they are recouping, but she had it the rest of her life...I would feed her 40ccs twice a day with her meds in it slowly in the tube...It is a very good way to medicate kitties that don't need the stress of giving meds all day long.. After she started feeling better, she started eating on her own and I just used it to give meds...She lived another 9 months and they seemed to be the happiest of her 13 yrs...She would clean the tube and never bothered it...They told me if she pulled it out don't worry, it would be ok...It was about 31/2 in long in her side and had a stopper in it...I know the chemo sounds bad, but kitties don't react like people or even dogs..They don't get sick from it...She would always come home feeling better...She even gained about 3 lbs after starting it...but that is a bad form of cancer in our kitties so even with chemo and supplements, they usually only live a yr or so...but do feel much better... Good luck to you and Bramble.. kerry and Bandy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Glad to hear he is still hanging in there... I kinda suspected he would, he is one TOUGH cat! Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005
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Title: Message Michelle, you're doing so well, getting enough food into Bramble. That's great to hear. He's such a trooper--you both are! I'm rooting for him--(and hope for your sake he decides to eat for himself soon!). take care Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:32 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Bramble Managing with the syringe feeding of Bramble so far - at least he is getting the food he needs - he is not overly keen on the syringe but is tolerating it well. He jumped up for his morning cuddle so will just need to see how we go. He shows no sign of eating for himself yet. I suspect he will grow used to syringe feeding and enjoy the attention too much to feed himself again but I keep hoping. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy =00Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Michelle, I've never had to use a feeding tube, but from what I hear, the kitties that need them do really well and even enjoy being fed through them when they adjust to the concept. When Gypsy was so close to death, I would have welcomed one for her, but she was too weak to undergo the sedation that was necessary to put one in. Do you think something like that might help Bramble regain some weight and strength? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Managing with the syringe feeding of Bramble so far - at least he is getting the food he needs - he is not overly keen on the syringe but is tolerating it well. He jumped up for his morning cuddle so will just need to see how we go. He shows no sign of eating for himself yet. I suspect he will grow used to syringe feeding and enjoy the attention too much to feed himself again but I keep hoping. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Bramble
I had to syringe feed Ginger for two weeks, through bad teeth and a bad URI, before she started eating on her own. Cyproheptadine (periactin) did help her some-- I don't remember if Bramble is already getting this or not. Did you try the liver shake? Michelle
RE: Bramble
I am sorry, I havent read that all the strings of messages but is he getting fluid at least every day? When my Leo was ill, he couldnt eat anything and I couldnt force feed him, so I gave him fluid every day for 10 days or so I know without that, he wouldnt have made it.. but I am sure that you are already doing that.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bramble I had to syringe feed Ginger for two weeks, through bad teeth and a bad URI, before she started eating on her own. Cyproheptadine (periactin) did help her some-- I don't remember if Bramble is already getting this or not. Did you try the liver shake? Michelle
Re: Bramble is worse
Hi, I hope Bramble is feeling somewhat better today. I don't know if you posted or someone else about your kitty having a hot head and ears with a normal rectal temp..I have a 14 yr old that does this all the time..It is his blood pressure...When it is elevated, his ears are red and his head is really hot...with a normal temp..You might ask about that.. Also, my Bandy is on oxazepam .1ml transdermal twice daily for an appetite stimulant.. Hope this is of some help.. We will keep you and Bramble in our prayers.. Kerry R. and Bandy Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
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Michele, I am very sorry to hear Bramble is getting worse. I will pay for you two. Hug Alejandra From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Bramble is worseDate: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:22:33 EDTToday Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodes andrefuses to eat showing no interest in food. I force fed him bits but he getsstressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting togive up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am justsobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helpsstimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting tootired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may haveconsidered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lackof motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tubeif he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is sayingno more.Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
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I keep mentioning this, but I think it is worth trying Immuno-regulin shots. They really helped, I think, when Patches had pneumonia and when Ginger had a URI that gave her a fever and made her not eat anything. There are articles in I-R and FeLV on this group's website. I would assume they help when the cat has FIV as well. Michelle
Re: Bramble is worse
Michelle, I'm sorry Bramble is giving up, he has surely been a brave fella. Peace and prayers for you and Bramble. Hugs,Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: Bramble is worse Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodesand refuses to eat showing no interest in food. Iforce fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
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Title: Message Oh, Michelle, I am so sorry andIcompletely understand -- we all do -- your anguish over what poor, brave Brambleis going through. Whatever you decide you need to do to help him, please never forget that Bramble could not have a more loving and devoted "mom" than you. And that you have been, and will continue to be,giving him all the support he needson his journey through his difficult life. Thinking about you and sending positive vibes for Bramble, along with prayers that he'll rebound over the weekend. love and hugs Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:23 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Bramble is worse Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodesand refuses to eat showing no interest in food. Iforce fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Bramble is worse
Michelle I am sorry, I havent been catching up with all emails but I just read about Bramble I am so very sorry to hear that he is not doing well I can feel your pain so much, Michelle and I wish there were words or way to make you feel better please know regardless of his current condition I will be praying for a miracle so that he will bounce back and get better so, michelle, please tell Bramble not to give up yet - Hugs to you and Bramble - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Del Daniels Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bramble is worse Michelle, I'm sorry Bramble is giving up, he has surely been a brave fella. Peace and prayers for you and Bramble. Hugs, Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: Bramble is worse Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodesand refuses to eat showing no interest in food. Iforce fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
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I am so sorry to hear about Bramble I have been off and on and tring to follow as best I can but, Have you tried an animal communicator? Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodesand refuses to eat showing no interest in food. Iforce fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.Have a purrfect day Cherie
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Oh Michelle, I hope somehow you are wrong and Bramble's just especially down today. Go ahead and cry, you certainly have cause. If your intuition is right and Bramble is too tired to keep fighting... I so hope that's not the case. You've done so much more than most would have to bring him back to health. I love that picture you sent of the two of you, it really says it all. I've thought of it several times yesterday and today and it's always brought a smile to my face, there's so much love between the two of you. Keep your heart and intuition open to that amazing boy of yours, you'll know what to do, even if you are drowning in a sea of tears. Bramble understands. Please know you are in my thoughts and prayers. Much love to you and all your babies, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodes and refuses to eat showing no interest in food. I force fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass. I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
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Healing prayers to Bramble and to all of the other sick/missing/troubledfurbabies -- I'm so behind it isn't funny, so I haven't had time to post lately. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Del Daniels To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Bramble is worse Michelle, I'm sorry Bramble is giving up, he has surely been a brave fella. Peace and prayers for you and Bramble. Hugs,Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: Bramble is worse Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodesand refuses to eat showing no interest in food. Iforce fed him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to help him pass.I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more disengaging and complete lack of motivation or interest and I don't think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't put him through anymore if he is saying no more. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Have you tried chilling the food or heating it--chilling is what comes to mind for people. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Bramble can't eat - ideas please Any ideas please Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell) I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Michelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Chilling food sounds like it might help make it easier on poor Bramble's throat. Blending, or liquefying might help. He may need you to assist-feed him to help him get started. There's a recipe for liver shake, but I would substitute the tomato/V8 juice, (maybe plain chicken broth?), it would probably be too acidic for a sore throat. Have you tried offering him stuff like ice cream, or sour cream? If you do end up assist-feeding, and he likes yogurt, ice cream, or sour cream, you could offer him those afterward. Cherie, are you reading this? It sounds like this might be what was going on with Snowball, isn't that the name of your kitty with the blood, do you think so? Here's the liver shake recipe from Michelle Lerner: Liver Shake: 1 cup raw liver (chicken or beef, I use chicken) 1 cup fresh carrot juice, tomato juice, or V-8 1/4 cup filtered water 1 raw egg yolk 1 tsp kelp or spirulina Blend until liquid and frothy. If cat will not eat it, syringe 10 cc every 3 hours up to a max of 60 cc/day. I make it in half batches (though use a whole egg yolk), and warm up small amounts for Simon. I had to put it on his lips the first few times to get him to eat it. it is supposed to be complete nutrition. Nina maimaipg wrote: Have you tried chilling the food or heating it--chilling is what comes to mind for people. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Bramble can't eat - ideas please Any ideas please Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell) I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Michelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
1. Get your vet to give him Immuno-regulin, which you can order cheaply online if he does not have it. I really think it helps them get over infections and viruses faster. 2. To soothe his mouth and throat, syringe him slippery elm syrup. You can get powdered slippery elm at a health food store, or in capsules. Mix it with boiling water (I used capsules and it was 5 capsules to a cup of water, I think) and stir until dissolved. Turn off heat and keep stirring until it has a syrupy consistency. Let it cool down and syringe him a couple of cc's a few times a day-- syringe it slowly so it goes down slowly and coats his throat. I use slippery elm lozenges myself when I have sore throats-- it is a gentle age-old remedy and is fine for cats (also good for diarrhea and constipation and nausea by the way, and has nutrients). 3. I would syringe feed him, something very blended and liquidy, so he does not get sicker from not eating. You might want to do it shortly after giving the slippery elm so his throat feels better. Michelle In a message dated 8/2/2005 4:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any ideas pleaseBramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell)I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight.Michelle, Bramble, Buddy MinstrelMichelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Poor Bramble! He has such bad luck! No newideas here, just wanted to offer some support and good wishes to you and Bramble. Personally, I would force-feed if it is more than 2 days without food. Try and see if he will lick a bit of honey off your finger, that makes my throat feel better sometimes, and it will get a little sugar in his system, so he wont crash from low blood sugar. I've had cats survive on very little force fed Nutri-Cal gel. If you have to force feed, and it hurts him, get some of the most potent stuff you can, so you can do as little as possible, and get as much nutrition in him as you can. JennAdopt a FIV+ cat:http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I would definitely try a little syringe feeding. A/D food for ill animals easily mixes with water. It may perk up his appetite. Cats who go too long without eating will get Hepatic Lipidosis. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2005 3:46 am Subject: Bramble can't eat - ideas please Any ideas please Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell) I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Michelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Nutrical is probably the best choice, since it's made for cats. I hadn't heard about giving cats honey, I know there's a reason you're not suppose to give it to human babies, can't remember why though. I think it would be safer to give white Karo corn syrup. That's one of the ingredients in the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe. Just a little might sooth and energize Bramble enough to want to eat. Prayers for Bramble, Nina Jenn wrote: Poor Bramble! He has such bad luck! No new ideas here, just wanted to offer some support and good wishes to you and Bramble. Personally, I would force-feed if it is more than 2 days without food. Try and see if he will lick a bit of honey off your finger, that makes my throat feel better sometimes, and it will get a little sugar in his system, so he wont crash from low blood sugar. I've had cats survive on very little force fed Nutri-Cal gel. If you have to force feed, and it hurts him, get some of the most potent stuff you can, so you can do as little as possible, and get as much nutrition in him as you can. Jenn Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nutrical is probably the best choice, since it's made for cats. I hadn't heard about giving cats honey, I know there's a reason you're not suppose to give it to human babies, can't remember why though. I think it would be safer to give white Karo corn syrup. That's one of the ingredients in the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe. Just a little might sooth and energize Bramble enough to want to eat. Prayers for Bramble,NinaJenn wrote: Poor Bramble! He has such bad luck! No new ideas here, just wanted to offer some support and good wishes to you and Bramble. Personally, I would force-feed if it is more than 2 days without food. Try and see if he will lick a bit of honey off your finger, that makes my throat feel better sometimes, and it will get a little sugar in his system, so he wont crash from low blood sugar. I've had cats survive on very little force fed Nutri-Cal gel. If you have to force feed, and it hurts him, get some of the most potent stuff you can, so you can do as little as possible, and get as much nutrition in him as you can. Jenn Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I think Bramble is already hungry, he doesn't want to eat because of his ulcerated nose and Michelle (Lomax) suspects his throat hurts. We were trying to come up with things that would be soothing. Nina Lewis Faye wrote: Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
The reason why you don't give it to human babies isbecause honey has been known to contain Botulismspores. Human babies are notorously unhealthy little fragile things. Most cats shouldn't beeffected in any way, even if they do get a dab of contaminated honey. In fact, I can quote the ONLYcase ever known of wherea cat contractedBotulism from eating anything: http://jcm.asm.org/cgi/content/full/42/11/5406 No cases of cats contracting it via honey have everbeen reported. Here's a clip from another webpage on the subject: Botulism: Botulism is caused by Clostridium botulinum. Animals get it from ingesting preformed toxin in contaminated food. Honey is a major source of botulism toxin. There have been no natural cases reported in the cat. Most dogs are relatively resistant, however it is seen in the dog. Dogs with botulism become progressively weaker and weaker until they are unable to stand. They have decreased jaw tone (so the jaw drops), salivate excessively, and have a weak bark. The disease can be diagnosed by finding toxin in blood, feces or organs. Therapy consists of antitoxin and supportive care. Fortunately, dogs can recover. Botulism toxin can be inactivated by heating food to high temperatures (80 degrees Celsius for 30 minutes or 100 degrees Celcius for 10 minutes.) Also, prevent your pet from eating carcasses. That being said, Anything thick and able to coat the throat will help though. Karo is probably safer. Here are some websites that sayhoney is safe, and even recommended for pets: http://www.pets4life.com/index.php?p=research/articles/13 http://www.purelypets.com/articles/epilepsyarticle.htm http://www.homemade4life.com/faqs.html JennAdopt a FIV+ cat:http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~Nutrical is probably the best choice, since it's made for cats. I hadn't heard about giving cats honey, I know there's a reason you're not suppose to give it to human babies, can't remember why though. I think it would be safer to give white Karo corn syrup. That's one of the ingredients in the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe. Just a little might sooth and energize Bramble enough to want to eat. Prayers for Bramble,Nina No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
It has to be given IV to stimulate appetite. Michelle In a message dated 8/2/2005 12:08:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Have you tried chilling Just Born or one of the mother's milk products on the market---calories + protein + formulated for catsmaybe mixed with AD - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please I think Bramble is already hungry, he doesn't want to eat because of his ulcerated nose and Michelle (Lomax) suspects his throat hurts. We were trying to come up with things that would be soothing. Nina Lewis Faye wrote: Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
My vet gave it orally to a cat of mine and it worked great. However, if the cat is already hungry it seems unnecessary. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please It has to be given IV to stimulate appetite. Michelle In a message dated 8/2/2005 12:08:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I have tried clam juice on top of his favorite food as well..or little cottage cheese.. I have to agree with the a/d. I have had good results when someone is off food with the a/d. Also, I have used with good results evap. milk. egg yolk and white karo syrup.. Hope he feels better soon. Kerry and Bandy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I forgot to mention that my Bandy is on oxazepam transdermal for appetite stimulant..It seems to be working good with no side effects.. He receives this twice daily..You might ask your vet about that...It really seems to work... Kerry R.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Actually A/D is very similar to the meat part of Liver Shake that a lot of us have usedI have found that adding a little tomato juice to A/D seems to taste extra good to a cat that is not eating well... Tad Kerry Roach wrote: I have tried clam juice on top of his favorite food as well..or little cottage cheese.. I have to agree with the a/d. I have had good results when someone is off food with the a/d. Also, I have used with good results evap. milk. egg yolk and white karo syrup.. Hope he feels better soon. Kerry and Bandy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
But if his throat is raw and that is the problem, the tomato juice, while tasting good, would probably sting. I still recommend trying slippery elm for the soreness. Michelle In a message dated 8/2/2005 5:08:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually A/D is very similar to the meat part of Liver Shake that a lot of us have usedI have found that adding a little tomato juice to A/D seems to taste extra good to a cat that is not eating well...Tad
Re: Bramble still mild seizures
Good luck with the ringworm, and Buddy's sickness. I, too, hope it's not anything that will get passed around again! Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 7/8/2005
For Michelle re Bramble RE: George
Title: Message Michelle--I'm sure you already know this, but thought I'd touch base anyway--I had to give all my Felv cats broiled chicken for weeks (there was no way the others were going to sit and watch the genuine "patient" enjoy his without getting in on the act themselves.) (I hear you re the $$$ by the way---ouch!) The vet told me (2 weeks later, and only after I asked her even tho it was her that prescribed the chicken for Snoball's diarrhea in the first place!) that chicken alone did not supply their needs and I should add a supplement. Just thought I should mention it. Glad to hear Bramble is thoroughly enjoying life! All best wishes forthe little sweetheart'scontinuing recovery---Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:15 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: George Such good news Gloria for George and the otherkittie who has just been released from her cage and tremendous progress that she got on the bed with you even though she freaked when you woke up and moved - she must know you are not a threat. They'll soon learn that you just want to care for them and no doubt take advantage of that just as mine are doing. Going through this tough time with Bramble has meant lots of care and tlc and he has figured this out I think. He now refuses to eat anything much other than good quality cooked chicken slicesbeing hand fed to him too. Well at least he's eating even if it is costing a small fortune. Minstrel and Buddy have also figured this out and keeping coming toask for a piece instead of eating their own so i have to take extra just in case. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy MinstrelMayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer. If any such tax advice is made to any person or party other than to our client to whom the advice is directed, then the advice expressed above is being delivered to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of the transaction or matter discussed or referenced. Each taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: For Michelle re Bramble RE: George
Title: Message Michelle, it breaks hurt to hear about Bramble please know that Bramble is always in my thought and soon he will recover and start eating I wanted to share something with you When George couldnt eat, I told different things, and what he seems to like the most is broiled chicken WITH chicken broth what I do is that I cook a whole chicken in the crock pot and keep the juice, and mix chicken and chicken broth (in nuke temperature) he likes to drink the juice from it and when he feels better, he eat the chicken meat, too you may be able to put some supplements in there, too as you know cats likes to sip juice of different things I thought you might want to try with Bramble or broiled water after boiling chicken liver (maybe)?? Hugs to you, Bramble, Buddy and Minstrel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: For Michelle re Bramble RE: George Michelle--I'm sure you already know this, but thought I'd touch base anyway--I had to give all my Felv cats broiled chicken for weeks (there was no way the others were going to sit and watch the genuine patient enjoy his without getting in on the act themselves.) (I hear you re the $$$ by the way---ouch!) The vet told me (2 weeks later, and only after I asked her even tho it was her that prescribed the chicken for Snoball's diarrhea in the first place!) that chicken alone did not supply their needs and I should add a supplement. Just thought I should mention it. Glad to hear Bramble is thoroughly enjoying life! All best wishes forthe little sweetheart'scontinuing recovery---Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:15 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: George Such good news Gloria for George and the otherkittie who has just been released from her cage and tremendous progress that she got on the bed with you even though she freaked when you woke up and moved - she must know you are not a threat. They'll soon learn that you just want to care for them and no doubt take advantage of that just as mine are doing. Going through this tough time with Bramble has meant lots of care and tlc and he has figured this out I think. He now refuses to eat anything much other than good quality cooked chicken slicesbeing hand fed to him too. Well at least he's eating even if it is costing a small fortune. Minstrel and Buddy have also figured this out and keeping coming toask for a piece instead of eating their own so i have to take extra just in case. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer. If any such tax advice is made to any person or party other than to our client to whom the advice is directed, then the advice expressed above is being delivered to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of the transaction or matter discussed or referenced. Each taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: For Michelle re Bramble RE: George
Thank you Kerry for pointing this out. It's not that important if you are making a home made diet for just a short time, but extended 'plain chicken' will cause other problems in the long run. Wysong puts out a supplement to add to their plain meat canned food called Call of the Wild. There is also one from Know Better Cat Food called Feline Factors, this one is to add to raw food. Ask your vet what you should be using to bring his diet into balance. Add less of it at first, (or you might turn him off to his food), then gradually build up to the recommended amount. I'm thrilled to hear that Bramble is hanging in there! Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Michelle--I'm sure you already know this, but thought I'd touch base anyway--I had to give all my Felv cats broiled chicken for weeks (there was no way the others were going to sit and watch the genuine patient enjoy his without getting in on the act themselves.) (I hear you re the $$$ by the way---ouch!) The vet told me (2 weeks later, and only after I asked her even tho it was her that prescribed the chicken for Snoball's diarrhea in the first place!) that chicken alone did not supply their needs and I should add a supplement. Just thought I should mention it. Glad to hear Bramble is thoroughly enjoying life! All best wishes for the little sweetheart's continuing recovery---Kerry
Re: Bramble and nutrition
Hi Michelle, I wonder if you could find broth with no sodium as some sort of specialty food for people who can't tolerate sodium in their diets. You're going to have to spend some time in the grocery store checking labels! Bramble won't eat the better brands of cat food? Wysong has an all-meat canned product, (I haven't tried it), that you add supplements to. Have you tried babyfood yet? Of course, that has to be supplemented too. I don't know if you have the same brands as we do, or if they contain the same things, for that matter, but you want to make sure and get meat baby food that doesn't contain anything but meat and broth. If he's been doing well with chicken, I'd stick to that at first. Gerbers has corn starch, (which Bramble doesn't need), Beechnut is the one I buy. How's he doing with the scratching? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info on nutrition and supplements. Unfortunately for Bramble I am unable to cook it for him myself or make broth etc... as I am vegan and can only just manage scraping fish out of a tin (which he isn't eating) or breaking up ready cooked chicken, or emptying food out of a packet. I couldn't handle raw meat as the sight of the chicken still in bird shape or the blood that goes with it would have me constantly in tears and physically vomiting. I wish I could do it for him but I just can't. I will definitely get him some supplement in his diet though if he continues refusing anything other than chicken. So if anyone knows of any way of making any nutritous broth from chicken that only involves ready prepared chicken and none raw stuff that is not resembling the shape of the animal or bird then please share. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: Bramble
How does his Fur feel, Amber had that problem when I got her, and for two or three months, she had no hair by her ears at allvitamin E helped her.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The boy was doing so well - I've come home to find he has scratched fur and skin off the side of his face over the last couple of hours and it's a big chunk. He will need to go back to the vet tomorrow but he is not going to that particular vet - I'll demand a different vet. He either has an allergy which I suspect as he has scratched around his ears since coming here despite having his ears syringed - we can be sure that ear mites are not the problem as he also had the revolution treatment. It may also be seizure related though as he also was tugging at fur on his leg whilst groomingso I don't know. But saying that Minstrel also has a bit of a runny nose and scratches her ears and she hasn't got ear mites either. I will try a different food. Hopefully the vet will give him a steroid jab to stop the itching. I am scared because this is what happened to my last FIV girl before we knew she was FIV - afterthey withdrew treatment in preparation for dermatology her system collapsed. So he most likely has an allergy and seizure problems and needs treatment for both. I'm not sure if steroids would interact with seizure meds and his heart med. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, BuddyHave a purrfect day Cherie
RE: Bramble
Michelle, I am sorry that Bramble is having a problem a skin problem is one of the hardest thing to identify the cause of as I read different materials symptoms tends to show on their skin easiest as its very surface of their body Have you happened to change the diet at all? I had one of my kitties whose patch started out as a size of penny, in weeks, it ended up being a size of my hand it always looked raw and bloody, and did not know what was causing it I tried different thing I did not use steroid because I was worried about side effects I dont know exactly what worked but I used an ointment (cant remember the name but I have it at home it has a bit of steroid in it, and its yellow) and finally got better I also have a friend whose kitty had a very bad skin problem, and she was on steroid shot every 6 to 8 weeks or so, and the owner did not want to do it anymore and she changed her diet with no preservatives and no more tap water, and she told me that her kitty got better 100% - I am praying that Bramble is only going to get better keep us posted! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bramble Sending strength and healing to you and Bramble and Minstrel from across the pond. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The boy was doing so well - I've come home to find he has scratched fur and skin off the side of his face over the last couple of hours and it's a big chunk. He will need to go back to the vet tomorrow but he is not going to that particular vet - I'll demand a different vet. He either has an allergy which I suspect as he has scratched around his ears since coming here despite having his ears syringed - we can be sure that ear mites are not the problem as he also had the revolution treatment. It may also be seizure related though as he also was tugging at fur on his leg whilst groomingso I don't know. But saying that Minstrel also has a bit of a runny nose and scratches her ears and she hasn't got ear mites either. I will try a different food. Hopefully the vet will give him a steroid jab to stop the itching. I am scared because this is what happened to my last FIV girl before we knew she was FIV - afterthey withdrew treatment in preparation for dermatology her system collapsed. So he most likely has an allergy and seizure problems and needs treatment for both. I'm not sure if steroids would interact with seizure meds and his heart med. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, Buddy Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
Re: Bramble
Sending strength and healing to you and Bramble and Minstrel from across the pond.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The boy was doing so well - I've come home to find he has scratched fur and skin off the side of his face over the last couple of hours and it's a big chunk. He will need to go back to the vet tomorrow but he is not going to that particular vet - I'll demand a different vet. He either has an allergy which I suspect as he has scratched around his ears since coming here despite having his ears syringed - we can be sure that ear mites are not the problem as he also had the revolution treatment. It may also be seizure related though as he also was tugging at fur on his leg whilst groomingso I don't know. But saying that Minstrel also has a bit of a runny nose and scratches her ears and she hasn't got ear mites either. I will try a different food. Hopefully the vet will give him a steroid jab to stop the itching. I am scared because this is what happened to my last FIV girl before we knew she was FIV - afterthey withdrew treatment in preparation for dermatology her system collapsed. So he most likely has an allergy and seizure problems and needs treatment for both. I'm not sure if steroids would interact with seizure meds and his heart med. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, BuddyBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
Re: Bramble
Michelle, I hope things go well with poor Bramble at the vet's tomorrow. You'll both be in my thoughts and prayers. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The boy was doing so well - I've come home to find he has scratched fur and skin off the side of his face over the last couple of hours and it's a big chunk. He will need to go back to the vet tomorrow but he is not going to that particular vet - I'll demand a different vet. He either has an allergy which I suspect as he has scratched around his ears since coming here despite having his ears syringed - we can be sure that ear mites are not the problem as he also had the revolution treatment. It may also be seizure related though as he also was tugging at fur on his leg whilst groomingso I don't know. But saying that Minstrel also has a bit of a runny nose and scratches her ears and she hasn't got ear mites either. I will try a different food. Hopefully the vet will give him a steroid jab to stop the itching. I am scared because this is what happened to my last FIV girl before we knew she was FIV - afterthey withdrew treatment in preparation for dermatology her system collapsed. So he most likely has an allergy and seizure problems and needs treatment for both. I'm not sure if steroids would interact with seizure meds and his heart med. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, Buddy
Re: Bramble
I asked my vet about seisure meds interfering with the interferon, she said it would not, and she absolutely can't understand why a vet would withhold seisure medicine for an animal thats needs them, I got the distinct impression she didn't think very much of this vet, although she was too nice to say it!! She did say she didn't agree with them. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bramble
That is good news. I think Bramble is telling you he wants to hang on. When will his good vet be back? It sounds like Minstrel might be having an allergic reaction to something. Has he been in contact with the flea treatment or anything else? Or it could be that he just allergies to dust or whatever like humans do. I have a cat with allergies. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bramble is still managing ok at the moment although I supect he is still having mild seizures although nothing like he was for the 3 days following that blasted revolution/stronghold treatment - never again will I use that on my cats. He is now just having moments where he appears completely blind and then stares for a few seconds or gets up and turns around looking confused. All in all it is very mild and he is still eating and coming voluntarily for his food, getting to the toilet, grooming, and today he jumped up on the bed himself and started to knead and purr following his breakfast and his interferon jab - so much easier to inject when he's distracted by food. Most of the time he appears partially blind. I desperately want to take him to the vet to get his eyes checked out but I'm not taking him to that one who just wants to put him to sleep. Has anyone had any luck finding out if seizures meds interact with interferon so that I go with my amunition to fire at the vet if they say the big E word. PS - his coat condition appears to have improved since he went on transfer factor. Secondly Minstrel my FeLV (2 years old) sometimes just has a runny nose - it's clear and doesn't seem to bother her and she shows no other signs of sickness - any ideas. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
RE: Bramble
Title: Message Wonderful to hear that Bramble is doing well, Michelle. And very glad to hear you had the benefit of another vet's input---and it was positive input. Continuing to send lots of healing vibes Bramble's way. take care, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:38 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Bramble So sorry to hear of the problems that a couple of you have been having but thankgoodness the kittens temperature is normal. Bramble is still getting along although he his stools are loose (he has never covered it up properly since the day I got him - he just scratches at the tray instead of the litter so Buddy goes in to cover up for him bless her) but that could be the transfer factor. I haven't sen anymore seizures and had an interesting conversation with one of the other vets at the branch where he goes. This guy had been brought in from another surgery for the day. He said he has seen so many cats have seizures after fleaz meds but theres no proof so many companys and vet dissmiss it. He says often an unsuitable product for the cat or interaction with other stuff. One point he made was that flea stuff should never be used anywhere near a recent injection site which I guess make sense but no other vets warned of if when I started the interferon. He is still partially sighted but appears quite comfortable for now. Michelle L, Bramble, Buddy MinstrelMayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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That's WONDERFUL Michelle, I'm so happy for you! I can see the injection site warning if your vet is still going against the recommended vaccine site locations, and doing them in the scruff, the topical spot on flea meds would be applied in the same spot. Scary indeed! We MUST get the proper vaccine location information out there to ALL vets! I will NEVER buy another vial of revolution after all of this happening to Bramble and that vet saying that reactions are so common, but not taken seriously! It's very scary. Can you contact THAT vet that said that and make sure he knows of all the sites I sent you where these reactions need to be reported? Maybe at least HE would do the proper reports, since he seems aware of the need! Can you make him your regular vet? He sounds like a good one. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~Bramble is still getting along although he his stools are loose (he has never covered it up properly since the day I got him - he just scratches at the tray instead of the litter so Buddy goes in to cover up for him bless her) but that could be the transfer factor. I haven't seen anymore seizures and had an interesting conversation with one of the other vets at the branch where he goes. This guy had been brought in from another surgery for the day. He said he has seen so many cats have seizures after flea meds but there's no proof so many companies and vet dismiss it. He says often an unsuitable product for the cat or interaction with other stuff. One point he made was that flea stuff should never be used anywhere near a recent injection site which I guess make sense but no other vets warned of if when I started the interferon. He is still partially sighted but appears quite comfortable for now. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
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Michelle, Bramble and your family are in my thoughts and prayers, he's such a fighter! Can you tell if his sight is still slowly improving? Thank goodness his seizures seem to have stopped. I had read that not covering feces in the litter box can be indicative of status, (lower ranking kitties tend to bury deeper), my Queen Ursula has never covered up! If he's always left his 'calling card' in plain sight, it may not have anything to do with his feeling poorly. Thank you for passing the info on from that nice vet you met. (Did you ask him where he normally practices??). It does makes sense not to apply flea meds of any kind near an injection site, or open wound, but I wouldn't have known how dangerous it was without your warning. I certainly won't use any on my feral GG when I dose her for her earmites, she's scratched the side of her neck open! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So sorry to hear of the problems that a couple of you have been having but thankgoodness the kittens temperature is normal. Bramble is still getting along although he his stools are loose (he has never covered it up properly since the day I got him - he just scratches at the tray instead of the litter so Buddy goes in to cover up for him bless her) but that could be the transfer factor. I haven't sen anymore seizures and had an interesting conversation with one of the other vets at the branch where he goes. This guy had been brought in from another surgery for the day. He said he has seen so many cats have seizures after fleaz meds but theres no proof so many companys and vet dissmiss it. He says often an unsuitable product for the cat or interaction with other stuff. One point he made was that flea stuff should never be used anywhere near a recent injection site which I guess make sense but no other vets warned of if when I started the interferon. He is still partially sighted but appears quite comfortable for now. Michelle L, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel
Re: Bramble, questions and Grace
I think it was sold for dogs with Parvo before it ever caught on for cats. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 9:58 PM, catatonya wrote: This is promising news!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will certainly add Grace to my prayers - hope she ok soon. I will try to answer the questions recently asked. Due to Bramble having been adopted with FIV the sanctuary pay the vets bills and I contribute what I can. The sanctuary have an acccount set up with a specific Veterinary company that have a few surgery's but the vets appear to have similar mind set. Brambles usual vet is ok but is on holiday so the current vet is one he usually doesn't see. I asked the sanctuary if I could take him to a vet where I pprefer but they said no because a large discount from this chain of vets. I can't wait for his usual vet to come back next week - she is much more open to alternative medicine and may listen more to me - I hope. Meanwhile this other vet has been pressuring for euthansia and there isn't really anyone I can take him too yet as they will just back her up as she is bound to have given them her opinion. My dogs vet agrees more with me but the sanctuary wouldn't pay the bills if he went there and I can't afford all the bills myself. I am considerring asking her if she will look him over and give a second opinion though and pay myself. Virbagen Omega (what Bramble is on) is injected for FIV protocol but can be administered orally if it purely for calicivirus. It can also be used on dogs for certain conditions too. Bramble has shown no more deterioration thank lord, and he followed my finger with his eyes so he can see something at least - but one day at a time. I will keep praying and nursing. I am going to try and pick up interferon tomorrow when that vet is not in surgery. Michelle
Re: Bramble, questions and Grace
It was. And that is good news. I was talking about the last paragraph though, where Michelle said that Bramble is holding his own as of yesterday! : ) I hope there's a report from today that's even better! tonyaGloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it was sold for dogs with Parvo before it ever caught on for cats.GloriaOn Jun 11, 2005, at 9:58 PM, catatonya wrote: This is promising news!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will certainly add Grace to my prayers - hope she ok soon. I will try to answer the questions recently asked. Due to Bramble having been adopted with FIV the sanctuary pay the vets bills and I contribute what I can. The sanctuary have an acccount set up with a specific Veterinary company that have a few surgery's but the vets appear to have similar mind set. Brambles usual vet is ok but is on holiday so the current vet is one he usually doesn't see. I asked the sanctuary if I could take him to a vet where I pprefer but they said no because a large discount from this chain of vets. I can't wait for his usual vet to come back next week - she is much more open to alternative medicine and may listen more to me - I hope. Meanwhile this other vet has been pressuring for euthansia and there isn't really anyone I can take him too yet as they will just back her up as she is bound to have given them her opinion. My dogs vet agrees more with me but the sanctuary wouldn't pay the bills if he went there and I can't afford all the bills myself. I am considerring asking her if she will look him over and give a second opinion though and pay myself. Virbagen Omega (what Bramble is on) is injected for FIV protocol but can be administered orally if it purely for calicivirus. It can also be used on dogs for certain conditions too. Bramble has shown no more deterioration thank lord, and he followed my finger with his eyes so he can see something at least - but one day at a time. I will keep praying and nursing. I am going to try and pick up interferon tomorrow when that vet is not in surgery. Michelle
RE: Bramble, questions and Grace
Title: Message Michelle This is just a short email in relation tothe fear you expressed about Bramble possiblybecoming blindit's a short quote from Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat (page 33): "For us, the sense of sight is Number One; to a cat, smell and hearing are much more important." (her emphasis). I'm glad to hear things are relatively ok today for him. Sending lots of positive, healingvibes for Bramble, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 1:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Bramble, questions and Grace I will certainly add Grace to my prayers - hope she ok soon. I will try to answer the questions recently asked. Due to Bramble having been adopted with FIV the sanctuary pay the vets bills and I contribute what I can. The sanctuary have an acccount set up with a specific Veterinary company that have a few surgery's but the vets appear to have similar mind set. Brambles usual vet is ok but is on holiday so the current vet is one he usually doesn't see. I asked the sanctuary if I could take him to a vet where I pprefer but they said no because a large discount from this chain of vets. I can't wait for his usual vet to come back next week - she is much more open to alternative medicine and may listen more to me - I hope. Meanwhile this other vet has been pressuring for euthansia and there isn't really anyone I can take him too yet as they will just back her up as she is bound to have given them her opinion. My dogs vet agrees more with me but the sanctuary wouldn't pay the bills if he went there and I can't afford all the bills myself. I am considerring asking her if she will look him over and give a second opinion though and pay myself. Virbagen Omega (what Bramble is on) is injected for FIV protocol but can be administered orally if it purely for calicivirus. It can also be used on dogs for certain conditions too. Bramble has shown no more deterioration thank lord, and he followed my finger with his eyes so he can see something at least - but one day at a time. I will keep praying and nursing. I am going to try and pick up interferon tomorrow when that vet is not in surgery. Michelle Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Bramble
Michelle, I'm s behind on my emails I'm reading them backwards, so I'm assuming Bramble is hanging in there for now. Good luck. I hope this works out soon, and for the better! tonya"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prayers coming for Bramble! We are all pulling for you! GloriaAt 01:34 PM 6/8/2005, you wrote:Thankyou for you supportWell I stood in the vets sobbing my heart out - she considered the flea treatment and said she thinks it is highly unlikely but she couldn't rule it out. She had only ever seen seizures once from stronghold in a dog whose owner administered it orally accidently - how silly can people be. And she said that she would expect continuous seizure if it was the flea treatment. I said I wasn't convinced and that more and more people are experiencing adverse reactions but are not reporting them or the companies are not making them known.I stood there and whilst I had the doubt in my mind that the flea treatment had exacerbated these symptoms as opposed to it being purely FIV related I was fighting for him. The vet said if he was her cat she would euthanase as he had suffered enough but she also said I have tried so hard along with Bramble and could see I wanted him to pull through. She was surprised that he had had 48hrs been seizures and we agreed that if he has another seizure within 24 hrs then I will have him euthanased - but I will watch him for another 24hrs to see what happens.So fingers crossed - he is depressed at the moment but it is only a few hours since his last seizure.Michelle L
Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)
Jenn, I'll try and give my Internist a call. They don't always get back to me right away, but maybe they'll be able to answer the question about interferon and seziure meds. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said something that worries me: Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice from neurology if they will give it. Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon? I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't seem to be too informed because of funding issues. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)
Michelle, or Jenn, Which Interferon are we talking about feline, or human? Nina Nina wrote: Jenn, I'll try and give my Internist a call. They don't always get back to me right away, but maybe they'll be able to answer the question about interferon and seziure meds. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said something that worries me: Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice from neurology if they will give it. Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon? I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't seem to be too informed because of funding issues. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)
Michelle L., Formulate your questions and what Bramble has been prescribed/tested for so I can ask my vet's office. They've been incredibly indulgent with me in the past, so I'm hoping they will help. I'm not a vet, so I can't say what the reason would be to not give Bramble seizure meds, (are we talking Phenobarbital here?) while on interferon. It doesn't make sense to me, but maybe there's some sort of dangerous interaction that we're not aware of. As far as I know from my research on interferon, it doesn't make sense. Something else that makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me is, if this vet is so strongly advocating euthanasia, why is he/she so concerned with prescribing medication that may eliviate symptoms? If he's given up on Bramble, why won't he do what MIGHT help? I just don't understand vets sometimes. I have a feral that has been sliding downhill lately and I've been extremely concerned. I've been talking to one of the vets I go to about her and her office agreed to see her, if I can catch her. She's shown symptoms of a URI, (which seem to be getting better finally :) ), was listless, not eating. She's scratched the fur off her neck and has a nasty wound there. Yesterday, I saw her shaking her head, and yep, I got close enough to see she has a nasty case of ear mite. I begged this vet to please prescribe me Acarexx ivermectin, (one application into the ears and earmites are gone). I could net her admin the ivermectin, topical her with Revolution and let her go. So much less stressful than having to capture her and bring her in. Well, the vet won't do it! I really should have married a vet! I desperately need one that understands what one-on-one rescuers go through. Quick, someone tell me a nice story about a compassionate vet! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said something that worries me: Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice from neurology if they will give it. Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon? I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't seem to be too informed because of funding issues. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
RE: Bramble (help guys, need advise)
I'm so sorry, Nina---I TOTALLY relate. My vets are just the same--they will not prescribe antibiotics for a URI e.g. unless they see the cat first. They don't seem to have any idea of the stress involved--and the effect on all the kitties of all that stress--in bringing in a feral FeLV cat. And while in some ways having a housecall vet was better, it still did not avoid the need to catch and the stress involved (now there are 3 giants, not just 1--me-- running around the room creating havoc). I've been telling friends for a year that I need to find myself a nice vet, with a big house/lots of rooms and a yard so i can expand the brood, but so far zippo. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise) Michelle L., Formulate your questions and what Bramble has been prescribed/tested for so I can ask my vet's office. They've been incredibly indulgent with me in the past, so I'm hoping they will help. I'm not a vet, so I can't say what the reason would be to not give Bramble seizure meds, (are we talking Phenobarbital here?) while on interferon. It doesn't make sense to me, but maybe there's some sort of dangerous interaction that we're not aware of. As far as I know from my research on interferon, it doesn't make sense. Something else that makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me is, if this vet is so strongly advocating euthanasia, why is he/she so concerned with prescribing medication that may eliviate symptoms? If he's given up on Bramble, why won't he do what MIGHT help? I just don't understand vets sometimes. I have a feral that has been sliding downhill lately and I've been extremely concerned. I've been talking to one of the vets I go to about her and her office agreed to see her, if I can catch her. She's shown symptoms of a URI, (which seem to be getting better finally :) ), was listless, not eating. She's scratched the fur off her neck and has a nasty wound there. Yesterday, I saw her shaking her head, and yep, I got close enough to see she has a nasty case of ear mite. I begged this vet to please prescribe me Acarexx ivermectin, (one application into the ears and earmites are gone). I could net her admin the ivermectin, topical her with Revolution and let her go. So much less stressful than having to capture her and bring her in. Well, the vet won't do it! I really should have married a vet! I desperately need one that understands what one-on-one rescuers go through. Quick, someone tell me a nice story about a compassionate vet! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said something that worries me: Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice from neurology if they will give it. Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon? I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't seem to be too informed because of funding issues. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! --- - No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005 hr Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: a href=http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp;http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp/a Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. hr This email and any files transmitted
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Hi Kerry, You know, I do understand about liability, and not wanting to base judgments on what people relate without actually doing an exam. I get that, really I do. I can't tell you how many times someone has told me something about their dog's behavior that has been WAY off the mark, so I understand not trusting someone else's judgement who hasn't been through vet school to make a proper diagnosis. But, come on, if the animal in question is going to be left to languish with whatever aliment is plaguing them because they CAN'T be brought in, then, what the heck is the harm? I'd be so willing to sign a waiver, or something saying I don't intend to sue, or lodge complaints, if it doesn't work out the way I hope. And for heaven's sake, shouldn't the proven trustworthiness of the caregiver involved count for something? Unless the animal has some sort of allergic reaction to antibiotics, then what's the harm of administering them, even if the animal doesn't even need them? Speaking of antibiotics, can't you order Baytril, Albon, Clavomox and Penicillin G from KV vets w/o a prescription? I know I've seen them offered for sale, but I don't know if you can get them w/o vet approval. They also have Ivermectin, (for use in swine), but it's not in an otic suspension and it's .02%, instead of .01%. I don't want to take any chances giving her something that I haven't seen work with others. Argggh! Sorry for the rant, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so sorry, Nina---I TOTALLY relate. My vets are just the same--they will not prescribe antibiotics for a URI e.g. unless they see the cat first. They don't seem to have any idea of the stress involved--and the effect on all the kitties of all that stress--in bringing in a feral FeLV cat. And while in some ways having a housecall vet was better, it still did not avoid the need to catch and the stress involved (now there are 3 giants, not just 1--me-- running around the room creating havoc). I've been telling friends for a year that I need to find myself a nice vet, with a big house/lots of rooms and a yard so i can expand the brood, but so far zippo. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise) Michelle L., Formulate your questions and what Bramble has been prescribed/tested for so I can ask my vet's office. They've been incredibly indulgent with me in the past, so I'm hoping they will help. I'm not a vet, so I can't say what the reason would be to not give Bramble seizure meds, (are we talking Phenobarbital here?) while on interferon. It doesn't make sense to me, but maybe there's some sort of dangerous interaction that we're not aware of. As far as I know from my research on interferon, it doesn't make sense. Something else that makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me is, if this vet is so strongly advocating euthanasia, why is he/she so concerned with prescribing medication that may eliviate symptoms? If he's given up on Bramble, why won't he do what MIGHT help? I just don't understand vets sometimes. I have a feral that has been sliding downhill lately and I've been extremely concerned. I've been talking to one of the vets I go to about her and her office agreed to see her, if I can catch her. She's shown symptoms of a URI, (which seem to be getting better finally :) ), was listless, not eating. She's scratched the fur off her neck and has a nasty wound there. Yesterday, I saw her shaking her head, and yep, I got close enough to see she has a nasty case of ear mite. I begged this vet to please prescribe me Acarexx ivermectin, (one application into the ears and earmites are gone). I could net her admin the ivermectin, topical her with Revolution and let her go. So much less stressful than having to capture her and bring her in. Well, the vet won't do it! I really should have married a vet! I desperately need one that understands what one-on-one rescuers go through. Quick, someone tell me a nice story about a compassionate vet! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said something that worries me: "Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice from neurology if they will give it." Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon? I feel so bad for her, she s
RE: Bramble (help guys, need advise)
If you ever need for an antibiotics (clavormox or amoxicillin), let me know - I will try to get it for you. My vets prescribes to me for my feral cats for the very reason you mentioned - there is no way that I can catch some of them to bring it to a vet - I also have a friend who is a vet tech - so if you need them, try to contact me, and I will ship it to you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Bramble (help guys, need advise) I'm so sorry, Nina---I TOTALLY relate. My vets are just the same--they will not prescribe antibiotics for a URI e.g. unless they see the cat first. They don't seem to have any idea of the stress involved--and the effect on all the kitties of all that stress--in bringing in a feral FeLV cat. And while in some ways having a housecall vet was better, it still did not avoid the need to catch and the stress involved (now there are 3 giants, not just 1--me-- running around the room creating havoc). I've been telling friends for a year that I need to find myself a nice vet, with a big house/lots of rooms and a yard so i can expand the brood, but so far zippo. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise) Michelle L., Formulate your questions and what Bramble has been prescribed/tested for so I can ask my vet's office. They've been incredibly indulgent with me in the past, so I'm hoping they will help. I'm not a vet, so I can't say what the reason would be to not give Bramble seizure meds, (are we talking Phenobarbital here?) while on interferon. It doesn't make sense to me, but maybe there's some sort of dangerous interaction that we're not aware of. As far as I know from my research on interferon, it doesn't make sense. Something else that makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me is, if this vet is so strongly advocating euthanasia, why is he/she so concerned with prescribing medication that may eliviate symptoms? If he's given up on Bramble, why won't he do what MIGHT help? I just don't understand vets sometimes. I have a feral that has been sliding downhill lately and I've been extremely concerned. I've been talking to one of the vets I go to about her and her office agreed to see her, if I can catch her. She's shown symptoms of a URI, (which seem to be getting better finally :) ), was listless, not eating. She's scratched the fur off her neck and has a nasty wound there. Yesterday, I saw her shaking her head, and yep, I got close enough to see she has a nasty case of ear mite. I begged this vet to please prescribe me Acarexx ivermectin, (one application into the ears and earmites are gone). I could net her admin the ivermectin, topical her with Revolution and let her go. So much less stressful than having to capture her and bring her in. Well, the vet won't do it! I really should have married a vet! I desperately need one that understands what one-on-one rescuers go through. Quick, someone tell me a nice story about a compassionate vet! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said something that worries me: Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice from neurology if they will give it. Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon? I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't seem to be too informed because of funding issues. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! --- - No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005 hr Mayer, Brown, Rowe
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Title: Message Nina Ranting is very necessary sometimes. Yes, I understand the liability thing too. But as you say...can't they treat a case like this on its own merits? Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:14 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)Hi Kerry,You know, I do understand about liability, and not wanting to base judgments on what people relate without actually doing an exam. I get that, really I do. I can't tell you how many times someone has told me something about their dog's behavior that has been WAY off the mark, so I understand not trusting someone else's judgement who hasn't been through vet school to make a proper diagnosis. But, come on, if the animal in question is going to be left to languish with whatever aliment is plaguing them because they CAN'T be brought in, then, what the heck is the harm? I'd be so willing to sign a waiver, or something saying I don't intend to sue, or lodge complaints, if it doesn't work out the way I hope. And for heaven's sake, shouldn't the proven trustworthiness of the caregiver involved count for something? Unless the animal has some sort of allergic reaction to antibiotics, then what's the harm of administering them, even if the animal doesn't even need them? Speaking of antibiotics, can't you order Baytril, Albon, Clavomox and Penicillin G from KV vets w/o a prescription? I know I've seen them offered for sale, but I don't know if you can get them w/o vet approval. They also have Ivermectin, (for use in swine), but it's not in an otic suspension and it's .02%, instead of .01%. I don't want to take any chances giving her something that I haven't seen work with others. Argggh! Sorry for the rant,NinaMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so sorry, Nina---I TOTALLY relate. My vets are just the same--they will not prescribe antibiotics for a URI e.g. unless they see the cat first. They don't seem to have any idea of the stress involved--and the effect on all the kitties of all that stress--in bringing in a feral FeLV cat. And while in some ways having a housecall vet was better, it still did not avoid the need to catch and the stress involved (now there are 3 giants, not just 1--me-- running around the room creating havoc). I've been telling friends for a year that I need to find myself a nice vet, with a big house/lots of rooms and a yard so i can expand the brood, but so far zippo. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise) Michelle L., Formulate your questions and what Bramble has been prescribed/tested for so I can ask my vet's office. They've been incredibly indulgent with me in the past, so I'm hoping they will help. I'm not a vet, so I can't say what the reason would be to not give Bramble seizure meds, (are we talking Phenobarbital here?) while on interferon. It doesn't make sense to me, but maybe there's some sort of dangerous interaction that we're not aware of. As far as I know from my research on interferon, it doesn't make sense. Something else that makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me is, if this vet is so strongly advocating euthanasia, why is he/she so concerned with prescribing medication that may eliviate symptoms? If he's given up on Bramble, why won't he do what MIGHT help? I just don't understand vets sometimes. I have a feral that has been sliding downhill lately and I've been extremely concerned. I've been talking to one of the vets I go to about her and her office agreed to see her, if I can catch her. She's shown symptoms of a URI, (which seem to be getting better finally :) ), was listless, not eating. She's scratched the fur off her neck and has a nasty wound there. Yesterday, I saw her shaking her head, and yep, I got close enough to see she has a nasty case of ear mite. I begged this vet to please prescribe me Acarexx ivermectin, (one application into the ears and earmites are gone). I could net her admin the ivermectin, topical her with Revolution and let her go. So much less stressful than having to capture her and bring her in. Well, the vet won't do it! I really should have married a vet! I desperately need one that understands what one-on-one rescuers go through. Quick, someone tell me a nice story about a compassionate vet! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said something that worries me: "Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice from neurology if they will
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Wow, your vet gets it. Thanks very very much for the offer, Hideyo. Now I'm going to pray I never have to take it up! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Bramble (help guys, need advise) If you ever need for an antibiotics (clavormox or amoxicillin), let me know - I will try to get it for you. My vets prescribes to me for my feral cats for the very reason you mentioned - there is no way that I can catch some of them to bring it to a vet - I also have a friend who is a vet tech - so if you need them, try to contact me, and I will ship it to you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Bramble (help guys, need advise) I'm so sorry, Nina---I TOTALLY relate. My vets are just the same--they will not prescribe antibiotics for a URI e.g. unless they see the cat first. They don't seem to have any idea of the stress involved--and the effect on all the kitties of all that stress--in bringing in a feral FeLV cat. And while in some ways having a housecall vet was better, it still did not avoid the need to catch and the stress involved (now there are 3 giants, not just 1--me-- running around the room creating havoc). I've been telling friends for a year that I need to find myself a nice vet, with a big house/lots of rooms and a yard so i can expand the brood, but so far zippo. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise) Michelle L., Formulate your questions and what Bramble has been prescribed/tested for so I can ask my vet's office. They've been incredibly indulgent with me in the past, so I'm hoping they will help. I'm not a vet, so I can't say what the reason would be to not give Bramble seizure meds, (are we talking Phenobarbital here?) while on interferon. It doesn't make sense to me, but maybe there's some sort of dangerous interaction that we're not aware of. As far as I know from my research on interferon, it doesn't make sense. Something else that makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me is, if this vet is so strongly advocating euthanasia, why is he/she so concerned with prescribing medication that may eliviate symptoms? If he's given up on Bramble, why won't he do what MIGHT help? I just don't understand vets sometimes. I have a feral that has been sliding downhill lately and I've been extremely concerned. I've been talking to one of the vets I go to about her and her office agreed to see her, if I can catch her. She's shown symptoms of a URI, (which seem to be getting better finally :) ), was listless, not eating. She's scratched the fur off her neck and has a nasty wound there. Yesterday, I saw her shaking her head, and yep, I got close enough to see she has a nasty case of ear mite. I begged this vet to please prescribe me Acarexx ivermectin, (one application into the ears and earmites are gone). I could net her admin the ivermectin, topical her with Revolution and let her go. So much less stressful than having to capture her and bring her in. Well, the vet won't do it! I really should have married a vet! I desperately need one that understands what one-on-one rescuers go through. Quick, someone tell me a nice story about a compassionate vet! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said something that worries me: Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice from neurology if they will give it. Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon? I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't seem to be too informed because of funding issues. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you
Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise) (Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites)
LOL, yeah, I know, but when you work in rescues, you need to find every break you can. It helps that I've worked in a vet office and a few livestock supply stores, I picked up alot of info that way. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~hee hee, jenn, you're giving away all the secrets! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
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Thanks Jenn,It really helps when you have a lot of animals.
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Hi Michelle, I talked with my vet and asked her what she thought about what was going on with Bramble. She asked if he had been tested for toxopsamosis (sp?), she said FIV+ cats can hace seizures related to this. Has he been tested for toxopasmosis? If not I would get that done, it is reatable with antibiotics. She said she had never heard of cats having seizures from calcivirus. Also she said there was NO reason not to give seizure medication to a cat on interferon (either one, human or feline). And she can't imagine why a vet would withhold the medication. Here this is an article that describes what some of the symthoms can be, look under signs: http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/resources/brochure/toxo.html Here are many more about it: http://www.vet.cornell.edu/search/query.idq?UserRestriction=toxoplasmosisCiMaxRecordsPerPage=10CiScope=%2FTemplateName=queryCiSort=rank%5Bd%5D I hope you find out what is going on with Bramble soon, prayers coming to you both. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Michelle, how are you doing? What has happened? Is Bramble still holding on? Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
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Michelle, I am so sorry about Bramble.He is though a lucky boy to have found a compassionate person, such as yourself, to help release him from his pain. Joan.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bramble is going to the vet in 1 1/2 hours. I came in to find him appearing visually impaired - he couldn't see the piece of chicken and was startled when I put it to his nose - he then had difficulty judging the floor from my knee and was hesitant to get down. He then went into a seizure - writhing around for about 4 minutes and has just done that for another minute about 30mins later. The other 2 cats are scared again. I'm pretty sure this will have to be a euthansia case today - I am going to push on the flea treatment adverse effects though - but I can say that he is now suffering and I can't let him suffer if they can't do anything. These decisions hurt so bad but my baby boy without doubt is in the full blown faids stage - his weight is plummeting fast even though he has eaten. I just hope if the vet says theE word and I go ahead that it is right for him. Whilst I think the flea treatment may well have exacerbated this I'm sure the FIV is a lot to blame too. I'll let you know the outcome. Michelle L
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Michelle, I am sorry to hear about Bramble. My Bamama had full blown aides for 3 yrs. I found different things to keep her going for 2 1/2 yrs but I had to be home to feed her everyday for lunch too and I was lucky to live so close to home. The last 6 months of her life was very up and down and my vet said when you have more bad then good, you will know. My heart goes out to you. Carla Date sent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Copies to: Subject:Re: Bramble Send reply to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Michelle, I am so sorry about Bramble. He is though a lucky boy to have found a compassionate person, such as yourself, to help release him from his pain. Joan. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bramble is going to the vet in 1 1/2 hours. I came in to find him appearing visually impaired - he couldn't see the piece of chicken and was startled when I put it to his nose - he then had difficulty judging the floor from my knee and was hesitant to get down. He then went into a seizure - writhing around for about 4 minutes and has just done that for another minute about 30mins later. The other 2 cats are scared again. I'm pretty sure this will have to be a euthansia case today - I am going to push on the flea treatment adverse effects though - but I can say that he is now suffering and I can't let him suffer if they can't do anything. These decisions hurt so bad but my baby boy without doubt is in the full blown faids stage - his weight is plummeting fast even though he has eaten. I just hope if the vet says the E word and I go ahead that it is right for him. Whilst I think the flea treatment may well have exacerbated this I'm sure the FIV is a lot to blame too. I'll let you know the outcome. Michelle L
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Michelle, There's nothing I can say that you don't already know. I feel your pain in having to make the toughest decision we ever face. It does sound like Bramble is suffering, but you're there, I'm not. Make sure you've made peace with letting him go, if that's what you decide to do. Remember, helping him pass, helping him escape the pain, is for him, not for you. It's something we can do for our animal loved ones that we can't do for our human loves, and it is a great gift of love. My thoughts and prayers are with all four of you. Blessings and much love, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bramble is going to the vet in 1 1/2 hours. I came in to find him appearing visually impaired - he couldn't see the piece of chicken and was startled when I put it to his nose - he then had difficulty judging the floor from my knee and was hesitant to get down. He then went into a seizure - writhing around for about 4 minutes and has just done that for another minute about 30mins later. The other 2 cats are scared again. I'm pretty sure this will have to be a euthansia case today - I am going to push on the flea treatment adverse effects though - but I can say that he is now suffering and I can't let him suffer if they can't do anything. These decisions hurt so bad but my baby boy without doubt is in the full blown faids stage - his weight is plummeting fast even though he has eaten. I just hope if the vet says theE word and I go ahead that it is right for him. Whilst I think the flea treatment may well have exacerbated this I'm sure the FIV is a lot to blame too. I'll let you know the outcome. Michelle L
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Michelle, I'm so sorry to hear Bramble did not get better overnight. By now, you are probably still at the vet's or back from there. Please let us know how it went, and if Bramble is gone. My heart goes out to you on this. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
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Title: Message All paws and fingers crossed. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:34 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Bramble Thankyou for you support Well I stood in the vets sobbing my heart out - she considered the flea treatment and said she thinks it is highly unlikely but she couldn't rule it out. She had only ever seen seizures once from stronghold in a dog whose owner administered it orally accidently - how silly can people be. And she said that she would expect continuous seizure if it was the flea treatment. I said I wasn't convinced and that more and more people are experiencing adverse reactions but are not reporting them or the companies are not making them known. I stood there and whilst I had the doubt in my mind that the flea treatment had exacerbated these symptoms as opposed to it being purely FIV related I was fighting for him. The vet said if he was her cat she would euthanase as he had suffered enough but she also said I have tried so hard along with Bramble and could see I wanted him to pull through. She was surprised that he had had 48hrs been seizures and we agreed that if he has another seizure within 24 hrs then I will have him euthanased - but I will watch him for another 24hrs to see what happens. So fingers crossed - he is depressed at the moment but it is only a few hours since his last seizure. Michelle L
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Fingers toes crossed! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Bramble Thankyou for you support Well I stood in the vets sobbing my heart out - she considered the flea treatment and said she thinks it is highly unlikely but she couldn't rule it out. She had only ever seen seizures once from stronghold in a dog whose owner administered it orally accidently - how silly can people be. And she said that she would expect continuous seizure if it was the flea treatment. I said I wasn't convinced and that more and more people are experiencing adverse reactions but are not reporting them or the companies are not making them known. I stood there and whilst I had the doubt in my mind that the flea treatment had exacerbated these symptoms as opposed to it being purely FIV related I was fighting for him. The vet said if he was her cat she would euthanase as he had suffered enough but she also said I have tried so hard along with Bramble and could see I wanted him to pull through. She was surprised that he had had 48hrs been seizures and we agreed that if he has another seizure within 24 hrs then I will have him euthanased - but I will watch him for another 24hrs to see what happens. So fingers crossed - he is depressed at the moment but it is only a few hours since his last seizure. Michelle L
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I am pulling for you guys, let us know every so often what is happeninggood luck Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thankyou for you support Well I stood in the vets sobbing my heart out - she considered the flea treatment and said she thinks it is highly unlikely but she couldn't rule it out. She had only ever seen seizures once from stronghold in a dog whose owner administered it orally accidently - how silly can people be. And she said that she would expect continuous seizure if it was the flea treatment. I said I wasn't convinced and that more and more people are experiencing adverse reactions but are not reporting them or the companies are not making them known. I stood there and whilst I had the doubt in my mind that the flea treatment had exacerbated these symptoms as opposed to it being purely FIV related I was fighting for him. The vet said if he was her cat she would euthanase as he had suffered enough but she also said I have tried so hard along with Bramble and could see I wanted him to pull through. She was surprised that he had had 48hrs been seizures and we agreed that if he has another seizure within 24 hrs then I will have him euthanased - but I will watch him for another 24hrs to see what happens. So fingers crossed - he is depressed at the moment but it is only a few hours since his last seizure. Michelle LHave a purrfect day Cherie
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Michelle, do you have any access to Bach flower remedies? If so, get Oak, Scleranthus and Rescue Remedy. Pick up a 1oz dropper bottle from the vets or the health food store (if they carry them). Put 1 oz filtered water with 2 drops each of Oak and Scleranthus, and 4 drops of Rescue Remedy. Shake well. Then give him 4 drops from the treatment bottle every hour for as long as youre up, and give him extra doses every 5 minutes if need be if you sense a seizure coming on, during the seizure and afterwards for 15-20 minutes. You can drip the drops in his mouth (onto the gum is fine or straight into the mouth) or rub them onto the outside of his ear where the skin is thin because it will absorb from there. Kat Kathleen A. Berard,Animal Communicator, Vibrational Essences Practitioner and Holistic Care Consultant KATALYST FOR ANIMAL WHOLENESS, INC. www.katberard.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL ME TO RECEIVE A COMPLIMENTARY SUBSCRIPTION TO THE MONTHLY KATS JOURNAL NEWSLETTER! If you don't know what your passion is, realize that one reason for your existence on Earth is to find it. Oprah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Bramble Thankyou for you support Well I stood in the vets sobbing my heart out - she considered the flea treatment and said she thinks it is highly unlikely but she couldn't rule it out. She had only ever seen seizures once from stronghold in a dog whose owner administered it orally accidently - how silly can people be. And she said that she would expect continuous seizure if it was the flea treatment. I said I wasn't convinced and that more and more people are experiencing adverse reactions but are not reporting them or the companies are not making them known. I stood there and whilst I had the doubt in my mind that the flea treatment had exacerbated these symptoms as opposed to it being purely FIV related I was fighting for him. The vet said if he was her cat she would euthanase as he had suffered enough but she also said I have tried so hard along with Bramble and could see I wanted him to pull through. She was surprised that he had had 48hrs been seizures and we agreed that if he has another seizure within 24 hrs then I will have him euthanased - but I will watch him for another 24hrs to see what happens. So fingers crossed - he is depressed at the moment but it is only a few hours since his last seizure. Michelle L
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Hi Michelle, Did you read the post about rubbing an animal's ears when they are having a seizure? It's suppose to lessen the severity/duration, I think they said. (Sorry I can't remember who posted it). If there's a possibility that it could help, I'd certainly try it. I know how awful seizures are, (my beloved Husky Angel, Vixen had them before she passed). I'm praying for a miraculous turn around for Bramble, and no more seizures. Please let us know how it's going, we're all pulling for you guys. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thankyou for you support Well I stood in the vets sobbing my heart out - she considered the flea treatment and said she thinks it is highly unlikely but she couldn't rule it out. She had only ever seen seizures once from stronghold in a dog whose owner administered it orally accidently - how silly can people be. And she said that she would expect continuous seizure if it was the flea treatment. I said I wasn't convinced and that more and more people are experiencing adverse reactions but are not reporting them or the companies are not making them known. I stood there and whilst I had the doubt in my mind that the flea treatment had exacerbated these symptoms as opposed to it being purely FIV related I was fighting for him. The vet said if he was her cat she would euthanase as he had suffered enough but she also said I have tried so hard along with Bramble and could see I wanted him to pull through. She was surprised that he had had 48hrs been seizures and we agreed that if he has another seizure within 24 hrs then I will have him euthanased - but I will watch him for another 24hrs to see what happens. So fingers crossed - he is depressed at the moment but it is only a few hours since his last seizure. Michelle L
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all paws crossed, and all spirits sending GLOW for you both. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Prayers coming for Bramble! We are all pulling for you! Gloria At 01:34 PM 6/8/2005, you wrote: Thankyou for you support Well I stood in the vets sobbing my heart out - she considered the flea treatment and said she thinks it is highly unlikely but she couldn't rule it out. She had only ever seen seizures once from stronghold in a dog whose owner administered it orally accidently - how silly can people be. And she said that she would expect continuous seizure if it was the flea treatment. I said I wasn't convinced and that more and more people are experiencing adverse reactions but are not reporting them or the companies are not making them known. I stood there and whilst I had the doubt in my mind that the flea treatment had exacerbated these symptoms as opposed to it being purely FIV related I was fighting for him. The vet said if he was her cat she would euthanase as he had suffered enough but she also said I have tried so hard along with Bramble and could see I wanted him to pull through. She was surprised that he had had 48hrs been seizures and we agreed that if he has another seizure within 24 hrs then I will have him euthanased - but I will watch him for another 24hrs to see what happens. So fingers crossed - he is depressed at the moment but it is only a few hours since his last seizure. Michelle L
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Ditto, I will pray so very hard for your baby, Bramble! NO more seizers Michelle, try to contemplate very hard the situation, which you wish to produce, then it will come true - imagine that he will no longer suffer from seizers at all and recovers completely and live happily and healthfully with you ever after.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bramble Prayers coming for Bramble! We are all pulling for you! Gloria At 01:34 PM 6/8/2005, you wrote: Thankyou for you support Well I stood in the vets sobbing my heart out - she considered the flea treatment and said she thinks it is highly unlikely but she couldn't rule it out. She had only ever seen seizures once from stronghold in a dog whose owner administered it orally accidently - how silly can people be. And she said that she would expect continuous seizure if it was the flea treatment. I said I wasn't convinced and that more and more people are experiencing adverse reactions but are not reporting them or the companies are not making them known. I stood there and whilst I had the doubt in my mind that the flea treatment had exacerbated these symptoms as opposed to it being purely FIV related I was fighting for him. The vet said if he was her cat she would euthanase as he had suffered enough but she also said I have tried so hard along with Bramble and could see I wanted him to pull through. She was surprised that he had had 48hrs been seizures and we agreed that if he has another seizure within 24 hrs then I will have him euthanased - but I will watch him for another 24hrs to see what happens. So fingers crossed - he is depressed at the moment but it is only a few hours since his last seizure. Michelle L
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How's the vigil going Michelle? Figured I'd better check in on you before I called it a night Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
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Hi Michelle, Maybe I'm grasping at straws here, but has he been tested for toxoplasmosis? That can cause seizures, among other things. Just wanted to throw out that possibility, since it's treatable. I'll be keeping Bramble in my prayers. Yvonne Mom of FIV+ Simba
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to me the seizures would indicate more that he's developed a 2ndary cancer or tumor that's causing the disturbances. yeah, poor Bramble has a lot going on (still not believing they mixed FIV+ and FeLV+) How is his personality changing? Is he leaving, do you think? With such an ill kitty, the focus should be on making him as comfortable as possible and then making the hard decision. My mom is going through that right now with Tigger - a nearly 16 year old rescue - spinal arthritis advancing rapidly:( how is his mood? is that part of why you say his personality is changing?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barbs for the positive vibes for Bramble Your right there is much more to consider than just the seizures. But the outline is this: Bramble is FIV+ and has been very syptomatic in the sanctuary for 2 years. I have had him for just over 3 weeks and in that time he has had a much needed dental op - ears cleaned out and lots of antibiotics. He has been suffering with either calicivirus or herpesvirus and basically had to deal with all of that which has frustrated him. We don't yet know if he has FeLV and are awaiting results as he lives withmy FeLV+ cat (you probably remember previously saying they mix FeLV and FIV cats in this sanctuary which is not the best idea. He has lost weight and muscle mass and has wasted quitelot around his spine. Having seen FIV in action not so long ago when I had to euthanase my baby girl (after her immune system collapsed and her lymph nodes swelled the size of butter beans) I am in no doubt that Bramble is in the full blown aids stage and the seizures indicate that the virus has entered into his CNS. His personality is changing too - and yes it is so hard watching it but also so hard to know when is the right time end their life in attempts to end their suffering. I am waiting until I've tried the transfer factor before anything unless he goes significantly worse. He is already avery symptomaticcat but the interferon won't work overnight - he needs something now or else is immune system is going to completely pack in. If it does turn out that he has FeLV too he may even have some nasal lymphoma going on - we just don't know. I love so much even though I've only had him such a short time - Fingers crossed but the prognosis really isn't good. Michelle L Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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Positive thoughts coming your way from me and my gang. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 3:09 PM Subject: Bramble Thanks Barbs for the positive vibes for Bramble Your right there is much more to consider than just the seizures. But the outline is this: Bramble is FIV+ and has been very syptomatic in the sanctuary for 2 years. I have had him for just over 3 weeks and in that time he has had a much needed dental op - ears cleaned out and lots of antibiotics. He has been suffering with either calicivirus or herpesvirus and basically had to deal with all of that which has frustrated him. We don't yet know if he has FeLV and are awaiting results as he lives withmy FeLV+ cat (you probably remember previously saying they mix FeLV and FIV cats in this sanctuary which is not the best idea. He has lost weight and muscle mass and has wasted quitelot around his spine. Having seen FIV in action not so long ago when I had to euthanase my baby girl (after her immune system collapsed and her lymph nodes swelled the size of butter beans) I am in no doubt that Bramble is in the full blown aids stage and the seizures indicate that the virus has entered into his CNS. His personality is changing too - and yes it is so hard watching it but also so hard to know when is the right time end their life in attempts to end their suffering. I am waiting until I've tried the transfer factor before anything unless he goes significantly worse. He is already avery symptomaticcat but the interferon won't work overnight - he needs something now or else is immune system is going to completely pack in. If it does turn out that he has FeLV too he may even have some nasal lymphoma going on - we just don't know. I love so much even though I've only had him such a short time - Fingers crossed but the prognosis really isn't good. Michelle L
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ah. The other kitties behaving differently is a very big sign that he's really ill. Sending comfort and strength to you both. HUGS[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the support - I know that this is an FeLV group and Bramble's problem is mainly FIV - althouhgawaiting FeLV results it's nice that you are still offering the support for a probably non-FeLV problem. Nina - the vet doesn't think it is anything to do with the flea treatment drops and thinks it is more the disease process. Barbs - When I say his personality is changing I mean that yes his mood has obviously changed due to being frustrated with being ill. But it's more than that - it happened in my last FIV+ cat too when the CNS got infected. They become quite vacant and look confused - Sometimes he turns round quickly if I'm stroking his back looking worried until he sees my hand, even though my hand could have been stroking him for a couple of minutes. Other times he just sits looking lost. It's as if they get some form of dementia - and I think if I had to sum it up in one word then dementia would be the word. He is just appears more confused more frequently - it's hard to describe but unmistakable when you see it happening. I don't know if it happens in the FeLV cat due to them having shorter lifespans on the whole - and because Minstrel is my first FeLV cat I haven't got there yet with her. But if the virus gets in the CNS then I guess it could have the same effect. It is on the symptom list that once the FIV enters the CNS then seizures, ataxia and dementia type behaviours can occur. I pray that the frequency of seizures decrease but as it is they have increased. The other sign that he certainly not right isthat Buddy and Minstrel just keep looking at him and are staying very quiet whereas they would usually be darting around playing. I'll just see how the next couple of days go for him Michelle L Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out!
