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Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?
Dearest Michelle,
As I wrote before, I just went through this same push/pull anxiety with
Spencer. It's enough to give you a nervous breakdown. I'm feeling your
pain right through the computer. I know Lucy is in bad shape, but it
does
I can't do that. Once they have been on steroids long-term, you can't just
stop it. It causes adrenal and circulatory problems and would make her feel way
worse.
In a message dated 2/2/2007 6:59:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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If I were you, I might just
Oh.. I meant - to tape it down..
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I can't do that. Once they have been on steroids long-term
You can always gradually taper off. What does your vet say? How is Lucy
doing this evening?
elizabeth
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I can't do that. Once they have been on steroids long-term, you can't
just stop it. It causes adrenal and circulatory problems and
oh my, my vet. Well, my vet probably really wishes I would stop asking him
these questions every day. My vet thinks there is no way to figure out what is
happening, and that I should just decide on something and he will give me the
meds. He is very accommodating, but not very decisive. He
It sounds like you have such a bond with her. She knows you are taking care
of her...mine always seem to know. Please kiss sweet Lucy for me. I'm
glad she is able to eat some.
elizabeth
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oh my, my vet. Well, my vet probably really
I'm sure you've read a ton of material on this, Michelle - I've only just
begun to learn about this because of your experience. I found this in the
Merck Veterinary Manual (you've probably already seen it)...(looked it up -
1kg = 2.20462262lb)
Treatment is directed toward controlling the
I've been praying for Lucy and visualizing her healthy. I've also
been looking over various bits of FIP info on the web. I've come
across references to pentoxifylline (Trental made by Aventis
Pharmaceuticals). I was unable to find a reference to Trental in
recent digests, so I'm wondering
Thank you. I have heard of it, and have read up on it. It seems to help
sometimes with FIP. However, it's a blood thinner, and she is really anemic
right
now, so I would be afraid to try it. Also, I think all the meds I have given
her have made her not want to eat much, so I don't think I
you're up against the old medical model, which holds true in veterinary as
well as in human medicine: diagnosis/treat/cure. if you can't do those
things in one swell foop, blame the patient!
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Renee, I think the main difference between the
O yea... medical model.
Actually, I think I'd be looking into Acemann or ImmunoRegulin or
sometime like that...
Best of luck,
Gloria
On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:05 AM, TenHouseCats wrote:
you're up against the old medical model, which holds true in
veterinary as well as in human
Michelle, do you think your vet would be more apt to be positive and helpful
(rather than loathe and reluctantly obligatory) if you printed out the
studies on the feline interferon Omega that SHOW it's benefit for FIP, FIV,
URL, and Stomatitis? I have several you could print and show him, if he's
Poor Kerry, You really can't control what the vet's office did or didn't do.
I know it's terrible, but does reliving it again and again do anything
positive? No. Beating yourself up and reliving regrets can kill you. Please
try to remember, YOU did everything YOU could do, and some things were out
Renee, I think the main difference between the way Dr. Clifford treats you
with Emily and the way he's treating Michelle with Lucy is that Emily's
breast cancer is considered more treatable, where they are not giving
Michelle any hope, and are more or less annoyed that she hasn't given up yet
with
Renee is who I inherited my colony of feral cats from, some of which are
FIV+. Just FYI.
Phaewryn
http://ucat.us
Adopt a New England FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html
Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library):
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please
Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no reason
not to start the interferon, for sure. I don't know anything about the kind of
reactions you get with epogen, but the times I have used the cat has seemed to
feel better. Will be interested in seeing what the
How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no
reason not to start the interferon, for sure. I don't know anything about the
He seemed to perk up within 24 hours.
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Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no reason
directly, but her PCV is slowly going up because of
it.
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Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?
He seemed to perk up within 24 hours.
[EMAIL
Loesch
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Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?
He seemed to perk up within 24 hours.
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How soon did the cat feel better from epogen?
In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern
Dearest Michelle,
As I wrote before, I just went through this same push/pull anxiety with
Spencer. It's enough to give you a nervous breakdown. I'm feeling your
pain right through the computer. I know Lucy is in bad shape, but it
does sound like she's at least comfortable for the most part.
--:-)
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Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:36 AM
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Subject: RE: Lucy--what to do?
Hideyo - you are way more knowledgeable about epogen than I am -- I
thought my Valley perked up within a day
Thanks. I gave her the feline interferon about an hour ago. She seemed
feverish, so a while later I gave her some fluids. She then ate a small handful
of
dry EVO on her own. She is just laying there now. She is not grooming. She is
definitely worse day by day. That said, she looked
attention to that.
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Thanks. I gave her the feline interferon about an hour ago. She seemed
feverish, so
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Hideyo - you are way more knowledgeable about epogen than I am -- I thought
my Valley perked up within a day of having it; I guess that isn't
No problem - were you using epogen on Valley to treat anemia due to non
CRF?
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Subject: RE: Lucy--what to do?
Blood pressure
At 10:17 AM 1/19/2007, you wrote:
There is no way I could improve on what Nina has said to you. It was
beautifully written and expresses what each of us feel in our hearts
all too often, I do look back and question my own decisions to at
times, make those extraordinary efforts to keep my
Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan-- can I please buy some
from you?? If we use it, I don't think we can wait until February. I kind of
doubt Lucy will last that long without something to turn her around.
her gums are mostly gray, with only a few pink spots, so it is hard to
Michelle,
This is a tough one for sure..What tests are they waiting results for?
Bandy received epogen for 6 wks, and his anemia was non-regenerative...but
you know what it worked..We did this before we ever saw the internal med
specialist..his pcv went up rather fast considering things,
I don't know if she is comfortable. When she is feverish, she definitely
isn't. At other times it is hard to tell if she is just weak or also nauseous
or
painful somewhere. The oncologist said he does not think she has any pain.
Maybe it is just fatigue from the anemia and the fevers. She
At 11:36 AM 1/19/2007, you wrote:
Perhaps I have missed something. Have they transfused her, Severe
anemia makes the very weak and not eat. When my dog had autoimmune
mediated anemia her refusal to eat was the first indication,
Epogen is possible depending upon the type of anemia, but to me
Hi Michelle,
I have to agree that Nina said it all...and she is right...Your gut will tell
you...Spend time with her and try not to panic...I will always regret what I
did with Bandy because I did panic..
So take a deep breath and it will come to you..
Kerry
Her HCT was 18 when last tested night before last. They generally only
transfuse cats if it gets down to 13 or below. I think part of the reason is
the
potential reaction to the transfusion (they can have an allergic reaction)
and part of the reason is a general shortage of cat blood so
What is it that you think you did in panic and regret? Knowing this may help
me with the decisions I am making.
In a message dated 1/19/2007 2:51:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Hi Michelle,
I have to agree that Nina said it all...and she is right...Your gut will
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?
Her HCT was 18 when last tested night before last. They generally only
transfuse cats if it gets down to 13 or below. I think part of the
reason is the potential reaction to the transfusion (they can have an
allergic reaction) and part
they don't have a sample anymore. I asked them to run the reticulites from
any blood they have, this morning, and they said they don't have any.
In a message dated 1/19/2007 3:19:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Can you have the run the blood type with the
She just ate a bunch of little pieces of turkey deli slice, then ate a few
more pieces of dry EVO. Her nose was stuffy and now is runny (am using vicks
vaporizer and neosenephrine) so that may have made the difference. I think
that she does have a URI on top of whatever else she has, and I
for CRF kitties -
abut it has a great information regarding anemia..
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
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Michelle, Do you think that immuno-regulin might help
her fevers? I don't know anything about what sweet
Lucy is going through but I know with my Smokey when
he was running a fever he wouldn't eat. I do know
that I was having a terrible time with him getting
fevers and the immuno-regulin seemed
She's on I-R. I was giving it to her sub-q for her URI, which I thought was
helping, but then she spiked a fever anyway. So I brought her in to the
local vet on Wed and got her .25 ml IV. Her fever spiked highest later that
night. If I kept her on it she would not be due for another shot
Michelle,
Isn't one of the side effects of the IR fever spikes? Am I thinking of
something else? Could her fluctuating fever be a reaction to the IR??
Nina
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She's on I-R. I was giving it to her sub-q for her URI, which I
thought was helping, but then she spiked a
No. Those fever spikes, if they happen, happen immediately after getting it,
last about a half hour, and then go away and don't come back. She has
gotten I-R in the past for URI's without getting any fever at all from it. And
now
she gets fevers on and off all day whether or not it is a
Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over at Redbank? Hope it's
not the one I'm using as he has been very patient with me.
Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and prayers,
Renee
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No. Those fever spikes, if they happen, happen immediately after getting
it, last about a half hour, and then go away and don't come back. She
has gotten I-R in the past for URI's without getting
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Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
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Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan-- can I please buy some
from you?? If we use it, I don't think we can wait until
Craig Clifford.
In a message dated 1/19/2007 5:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over at Redbank? Hope it's
not the one I'm using as he has been very patient with me.
Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and
Hi Michelle,
Do you have any a/d? Appetite stimulants?
I went into panic mode when I took him to the hospital for IV fluids and they
had to keep him. We had been doing sub-q's and I should have continued them as
he wasn't that bad off until some things went wrong while he was there..Since
I do have a/d and appetite stims, but she can't handle the appetite stims
(periactin makes her a zomby and does not make her eat). Good news though--
Gray
bought her some dry i/d and she got all excited and has eaten a bunch of it
several times. At this point I think she has had at least
Michelle, Dr. Clifford is my Emily's oncologist. I'm sorry that you are
having a bad experience with him. Can you call the Internist rather than Dr.
Clifford with your questions? Hopefully Lucy's fever will stop spiking and
they will have some concrete answers for you tomorrow
Well, there are two possibilities as to why he is more patient with you: 1)
you are less annoying than I am (extremely possible), or 2) Emily actually has
cancer and he doesn't think Lucy does (though I am wondering if the pred she
has been on is masking it, as no other diagnosis fully
I'm glad she is eating some, Michelle. Still remembering you guys in my
prayers.
elizabeth
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I do have a/d and appetite stims, but she can't handle the appetite stims
(periactin makes her a zomby and does not make her eat). Good news
Yeah, I guess Dr. Clifford is a bit frustrated about not being able to give
you an answer right away. And the calls may be a bit more than he is used
to, especially considering how hectic it gets there, but it's certainly
understandable why you would need to make those phone calls.
As
Oh, I have read most of the posts about Emily. I forgot-- sorry. I am glad
she is doing well.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/19/2007 9:00:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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As for Emily, she has mammary gland cancer. She had two surgeries and she
is getting
I was just wondering this too since it seems to happen after?? If I
remember I'll ask my vet tomorrow when she calls with Fred's blood work,
I don't know if she has used it much so she may not know.
Isn't one of the side effects of the IR fever spikes? Am I thinking
of something else?
At 07:13 PM 1/19/2007, you wrote:
IR does cause a short term increase in temp,,,
I was just wondering this too since it seems to happen
after?? If I remember I'll ask my vet tomorrow when she calls with
Fred's blood work, I don't know if she has used it much so she may not know.
Isn't
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