Re: [Finale] Clefs for Tenors in Choir
I'm going to have to say as an accompanist for choirs for most of the past 30 years that the treble clef (with or without the 8) is more common. I'm assuming each voice is written in a different clef. For vocal parts where the Soprano/Alto is written on one clef and the Tenor/Bass on another, then the tenor part is in bass clef. For my experience at least, I'd find it strange to accompany in 4-part voicing if the tenor part were not in the treble clef. In the small volunteer choir I direct, the lone tenor is accustomed to treble clef, but has no problem reading bass. I think the problem lies in so many leger lines. If the tenors go too high, the amount of spacing between the alto and tenor clef becomes disproportionate to the spacing between the other clefs. That starts to look confusing and becomes a distraction. Maybe we should bring back the soprano clef for sopranos, alto for altos and tenor for tenors. That would drive everyone crazy. James Gilbert JamesGilbertMusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Kontakt 4
Does the $400 version work with Finale (as it imports lots of other samples that I have and have created)? Do all versions work together? The full version of Kontakt 4 does work with Finale 2010, the latest version I have. In fact all the NI programs that come with Komplete 6 7 (eg. Battery, FM8, Massive, Reaktor) work with Finale. I don't know if the free version of Kontakt works but the free version of Kore (another NI product) does work. The process of using them is the same as using any other VST instrument. James Gilbert www.JamesGilbertMusic.com Music Straight From The Box CD now available ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] iPad as electronic music stand
I've owned a MusicPad Pro for the past 7 years and have been very happy with
it. Rumors suggest that the company is no longer developing the unit, so
what we have now is probably all we'll ever have from that company - just a
rumor. The unit uses a thumb drive to store music in its proprietary format.
I have a 1 gig memory stick and have over 3,000 (maybe 4,000) titles. I can
access them and search via the system's very good 'browse collection'
feature. I can also put songs into playlists that allow me to touch the
right side of the screen (or press a foot pedal) and it automatically loads
in the next song. Repeats can be programmed in very easily. You can also
make notations on the screen in various ways, including text. Any graphic
image or pdf file can be converted to freehand format and the company sells
more music than one could play in one's lifetime that is in freehand format.
I personally find converting Finale files to freehand results in less disk
usage than using scans from a scanner or pdf files. I can't say that there
is much about it I don't like. Some minor enhancements to how one finds and
organizes files would be nice.
I think it was on a Reaper DAW format where I heard some people saying that
they were having success using the iPad to view PDF files of music with
success. I've not seen an iPad.
James Gilbert
www.jamesgilbertmusic.com
-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On
Behalf Of David H. Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 9:09 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] {Spam} iPad as electronic music stand
I can't recall if this has been discussed on tpin or not (but then
again
I can't even remember what I had for dinner last night) so I thought I
would ask if anybody is using an iPad as an electronic music stand.
I've looked into the dedicated Freehand MusicPadPro but am also
considering the iPad. The good thing about the Freehand is the screen
size, but the relatively tiny memory would mean a lot of switching
files
in and out, and it's not good for anything else. Plus I've read some
discouraging comments online about where the company is heading, so I'm
a bit reluctant to purchase something where the company might be gone
in
a year or two. If anybody is using one of these, please comment on it.
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RE: [Finale] iPad as electronic music stand
Referring to the Musicpad pro. Just program the repeat. You can put the music in whatever order you want. When you tap the right side (or use foot pedal) to turn the page it goes to whatever page you've programmed it to. Very handy. Works great with all types of dc, ds, codas, repeats. You can also turn the programmed repeats off and go in the order the piece of music is in. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Chuck Israels Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:50 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] iPad as electronic music stand What happens with a multi-page part when there is a DC al coda? Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Sibelius lyrics compared (was RE: [Finale] Finale 2011 preordering?)
From what I can see, the new lyric features are more like playing catchup with Sibelius, although I can't make a side-by-side comparison. Infinite verses might better than Sibelius' limit of 5, for people doing hymn books. And the automatic melisma slurs MIGHT come in handy, if they can be turned off. But Sibelius can already switch fonts and sizes almost as easily. And ignoring punctuation and quotation marks might be a really tiny improvement, but handling verse numbers would be an even better one. Sibelius doesn't actually have a limit of 5 verses. Sibelius treats lyrics (and many elements) as text styles. What Sibelius does have is a default of 5 defined lyric text styles. You can define, quite easily, extra lyric styles. In addition to the 5 lyrics styles, there are also lyric chorus and a lyrics above the staff style available, either of which can be adjusted to be a sixth or seventh verse. I do a lot with hymns and find Sibelius to be a tad better than Finale, but I'm not thrilled with the alignment of verse numbers and lyrics at the beginning of a system in either program. Given the way the current melisma plug-in works in Finale and Sibelius, I sometimes find that doing it manually is more reliable. James Gilbert www.JamesGilbertMusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2011 preordering?
Ray Horton wrote: When I started using Sibelius more intensely, I, too would often think that's so much easier in Finale but most of what I thought that about turned out simply to be that I didn't understand how to do it in Sibelius yet. But certain things remain easier in Finale, like not having courtesy key signatures appear at the end of the previous line when creating key changes. But other things are easier in Sibelius, so it truly is (in my opinion) a pretty even neck-and-neck horse race between the two. For some things I fire up Finale and for others I fire up Sibelius, probably a bit more than Finale, but I haven't abandoned it. The way Sibelius does things is, to me at least, quite different than Finale and there is a bit of a learning curve involved. But, I must agree that at first something might seem easier in Finale, but it often turns out to be at least as fast, if not faster in Sibelius. When comparing Finale 2010 Sibelius 6.2, I'd call the race pretty even and from what I see of Finale 2011, Finale isn't improving its position in the race. I too find myself using both programs, but, and I hate to say this having been using Finale since version 3.7, more more I am using Sibelius instead of Finale. James Gilbert ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Organ dynamics
Ryan wrote: Where is it necessary to place the dynamics when writing for organ? The manuscript I'm working from isn't consistent in the placement of dynamics. It also doesn't specify individual stops to use (for example, a trumpet stop that would naturally sound louder than a flute stop), so can one dynamic marking placed in between the top two staves suffice? Would the performer know that the dynamic also applied to the pedals? Are the pedals capable of playing at a different dynamic level than the manuals? I suppose that each organ is built differently, so it would be nearly impossible to prepare for every performance situation. As I was writing this I see that Noel Stotenburg beat me to a reply, but since I've written this, here it is. When there is very specific registration (usually placed at the upper left above the first staff), I rely on that and don't worry about dynamics that are in the music since the organ is like an on/off switch -- sound on or sound off with the volume relative to the stop chosen (except the swell manual, see below). Each stop or combination of stops has its own volume and each manual and pedals can have its own volume. If the registration is vague, say: Sw. Solo 8' Gt. Strings, Flute 8' Ped. 8' then I look to see if there are any dynamics in the music and choose stops that are close to the dynamics. (In this example, some solo stops could be louder than others, while some flutes might be louder than the other). Sometimes composers will just put an f or mf in the music and not indicate registrations leaving it up to the organist to choose the appropriate registration. If I remember correctly, some, if not most of Bach's organ music doesn't have registrations or dynamics. As to placement of dynamics: If you want the top staff to be a different dynamic than the lower manual staff (2nd staff down) -- which also implies the two staves will be played on different manuals -- indicate the dynamic above the top staff and above, but close to the lower manual staff. Pedal dynamics are few and far between in my experience, but often are above the pedal staff (between the lower manual staff and pedal). If you want the two manual staves to played on the same manual, indicate which manual (eg. Sw or Gt or Ch, for Swell, Great and choir respectively) you want to be played and include a piano brace going from near the top of the top staff down to near the bottom of the lower manual staff. If you want the top staff to be one manual and the lower manual staff to be played on a different manual, place the indications in the same place you would the dynamics. On all organs I've played, the Swell manual has the ability to have a slight variation in volume levels, On a pipe organ, the Swell pipes are often enclosed in a box with a venetian blind, usually vertical, than can open or close to allow the slight variation in volume. (In a few rare cases, I've run across a similar situation with the choir or positiv manuals). You can use hairpin cresc. dim. symbols to indicate the opening and closing of the shutters. (Sometimes the registration will indicate open or closed swells). As you mentioned, each organ is different. I often find myself having to use different stops than called for or I have to adapt a piece written with 3 manuals in mind to a 2-manual organ. James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com Organist, Church of the Mediator Episcopal, Micanopy, Florida PS. On my website, in the music catalog, the visual example for the organ arrangement of 'At The Cross' contains examples of all of the above (except pedal dynamics). (Click on the title name in the catalog, then on the graphic for a bigger sample). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
Johannes Gebauer écrit: I haven't really looked at Sibelius yet, but the first thing I am going to do with it is to try and tweak the output to my liking. This is very flexible in Finale, we shall see what Sibelius can do. The following items need to be investigated: -Font -beams -slurs -ties -layout Only if I am satisfied with all of them will I switch. dc replied: Then, slurs, and perhaps ties, weren't as tweakable as those of Finale in Sibelius 5. I think this has been improved in Sibelius 6. Can anyone confirm this? As already said, Fonts are fine in Sibelius. I've even been able to use the Engraver font from Finale in Sibelius. Although the terminology and methods are different, I found it quite easy to change the tie settings from the default (European?) look (which to me look too much like slurs) to something more to my liking. Slurs have all the handles like Finale's engraver slurs and can be shaped quite nicely. There also a number of settings in the house styles option (like Finale's document settings) for changing ties. There are also a number of beam setting that can be adjusted. All that said, I think Finale has more parameters that can be tweaked, but on the other hand, the defaults in Sibelius don't need much tweaking. I find layout to be the area where Sibelius is better. But, it is worth reading the manual on layout and watching a video that is available on the Sibelius website. The way an experienced Finale user might approach layout is not necessarily the best way to approach it in Sibelius. Finale is a little stronger in the options available for music spacing. For the rest, I think it's not a question of being able to tweak or not, but of how easy and quick it is to do so, especially for someone who's been doing this for years in Finale... I've been using Finale since 1996 - or whenever the last year they included the what seems like 20 pounds of printed manuals. I found the transition to Sibelius to be quite easy. To practice learning Sibelius, and to serve other needs, I started transcribing a number of piano and organ titles into Sibelius. For note entry, I do miss the note first then rhythm aspect of speedy entry, but real-time input and scanning has been faster, but I've picked up Sibelius' way of doing simple/speedy entry. I'm finding that I'm working as fast, if not faster in Sibelius. One possible exception is if a piece has a lot of triplets, Finale seems to handle triplet note entry and copying of passages with triplets (tuplets) better. It would be nice to see the same piece, with the same font, done both in Finale and in Sibelius, and done deliberately trying to get the same output. I did try this with a one-page easy piano setting of a familiar standard. I didn't spend a lot of time trying to get all the details exactly the same, and used the default fonts of each program, but did try to get a fairly close output. I showed it to a few piano students and others with musical knowledge (but nobody I'd call a professional) and all but one liked the look of the Sibelius version better. - The conversion of Finale files into Sibelius is Very Bad, pace Dolet, Agreed. You'll still have to use Finale. Does Sibelius have the equivalent of Finalescript, by the way? They have ManuScript. It is far more powerful than FinaleScript, but I don't think it is nearly as easy or for the faint of heart. It reminds me a bit of looking at a bunch of Java code. For someone who's done some programming, not an impossible task to learn. There are literally hundreds of 3rd party plugins available on their site and probably a hundred or so included with the program. All of them can be edited yourself. James Gilbert JamesGilbertMusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
Dc wrote: Would you care to share this? I'd be interested in seeing both versions. And thanks for all the other comments. Dennis I found the original Finale version, but not the Sibelius version. I think I used it to help generate my own house style that was a much like my Finale house style as I cared for it to be. (I must have deleted the Sibelius version since I didn't need it anymore). However, having nothing better to do right now :) I re-created the Sibelius version as follows (in less time than it took to write this email). I just realized this does not have any beams in it, so no comparison of beams: - exported the Finale file via the built in XML export - imported it into Sibelius retaining the original document formatting and making no change to the house style - Adjusted the title/subtitle and composers location by selecting and dragging down (XML imports seem to put those items too high on the page) - Loaded in my own house style, resetting the page size to the original document size (as my house style is letter size, this file is not) - Respaced the note spacing, optimized the layout, all to the defaults in my house style I exported both versions to a TIFF file at 300dpi. The Finale file size is huge compared to the Sibelius version. Those can be found at: www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/test/Sibelius.tif and www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/test/Finale.tif I will not leave these online for very long. In case the copyright police are lurking, let me add that the files are for illustrative/educational purposes and neither the graphics nor my printouts were for anything other than educational purposes. I'm not sure of the original (legal) source this was transcribed from but it's around here somewhere. You might wonder about the oddball page size of the images if you try to print them. To remain true to the original experiment it is necessary. In addition to comparing finale output vs. sibelius at the time I originally did this, I was also figuring out how to export graphics so that I could import it into my musicpad (which requires a page size of roughly 768 x 1024 pixels). When I printed this direct from the notation software I chose to 'print to fit' in the printer options. Hope this helps, James Gilbert JamesGilbertMusic.com PS. If anyone is in Micanopy, FL this weekend for their fall festival, come see me play the piano at the historical Episcopal church on the main festival street. I'll be playing Sunday starting at 1pm. If I play everything I've planned to play it may be one of the few times you'll hear Dixie and The Stripper played in a church building (and I might add with the encouragement of people at the church who asked me to play). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
That's what I did in my original test, so to be authentic to it, that's what I put up. It's worthless to try to compare those because you posted as TIF instead of as PDF, which means that one has to open them in a graphics program and resize. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Real-time keyboard entry (was RE: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius)
I'm not a keyboardist, so I've never attempted real-time keyboard note entry. Well, I *am* one, and after a couple of tries at it, concluded it was waste of time as it could just never be accurate enough to not cause more trouble than it was worth. I say whatever is fastest and accurate is best and that's the method to use. But, as a keyboardist, I'd like to offer these comments for anyone, especially keyboardists, who have given up on or never tried real-time entry. Depending on what one is trying to enter I find real-time entry accurate enough to use in both Finale and Sibelius, at least when playing in music from an existing print copy. Lately I'm finding Sibelius a bit more accurate in this area, especially when multiple voices/layers and/or ties across measures are involved. Two tricks I've found is to play everything much slower than usual and be as absolutely precise as you can be with the placement of the rhythm. In other words, trying to improvise a piece of music at the keyboard I find rarely gives me an accurate result. Secondly, if possible, play just the right hand, then the left hand (or left then right). If you have situations with a lot of multiple voices/layers, also consider entering them on separate passes. If you are in layer 2, real-time entry will not wipe out what is in layer 1. I'll also add that if you have a large amount of triplets or dotted 16ths, real-time doesn't always do the trick. (If I only have a few triplets, dotted 16ths and the like, I'll just skip them when doing the real-time entry and add them later). One other thing that might help is experimenting with a legato or staccato touch depending on the various settings and don't forget those quantization settings. As to the technique side of playing, I find I don't always play the piece in real-time entry the way I'd play it in a performance situation - sometimes I'll play shorter than the given value, sometimes longer, depending on quantization settings, it just seems to matter most if you hit the key at the right rhythmic placement. You might try experimenting with that. You can also change the quantization settings and re-transcribe trouble sections. Although only slightly faster than speedy entry, it is nonetheless faster. If you are doing a lot of transcribing of music and have good originals, you might try the scanning feature of 2010 or Sibelius 6 - not 100% accurate, but at least in Sibelius, it is faster than step or real-time entry of the notes. Hope that helps anyone experimenting or trying to learn step-time entry. And, the piano teacher in me has to add practice - correct practice - makes perfect and is true with doing anything in Finale or Sibelius. James Gilbert JamesGilbertMusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Scanning Software recommendations
I've never had much luck with music scanning software in the past, but I tried the v5 demo of PhotoScore and liked it so much that I bought the full version. I have version 6 which does a good job with standard printed music. They have an option that reads handwritten music, but I've not tried that yet. I've had it for less than a month and have only used it for piano organ music. My only complaint so far is that the text recognition part of the program is not as good as I'd like. Too many expressions (cresc, rit, etc) are not read in correctly (I get 'tit' for 'rit' quite often). Phrases are sometimes interpreted as slurs and vice versa. Sometimes, but rarely, articulations and key changes are not always read correctly. These problems might be the result of poor scans. The demo that came with Finale 2010 was pretty good too but I liked the user interface and final result from PhotoScore just a bit better. Compared to past versions of the one that comes with Finale and sharpeye, I find PhotoScore is good enough to make scanning music a viable input method for Finale (or Sibelius). It has saved me quite a bit of time. James Gilbert www.jamesgilbert.music.com -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Florence + Michael Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:00 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Scanning Software recommendations I recently had a look at the demo of PhotoScore from http:// www.neuratron.com/ : it looks very impressive. I haven't seen an independent review that compares the various scanning programs, but I think they all have demo versions: I'd certainly try all the available demos before making a decision. Michael ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] What's a Mike Fisher?
According to Wikipedia Mike Fisher is a percussionist and studio musician in Malibu, CA. Maybe John Williams wrote the part with that percussionist in mind? (Although I do like the idea of an instrument by that name). The internet movie database has him listed, including a number of films where he has been credited as a percussionist but Jurassic Park isn't one of them. James Gilbert -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Blake Richardson Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:24 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] What's a Mike Fisher? I'm transcribing John Williams' handwritten score to Jurassic Park and I've come across something I've never seen before. ... Three are notated simply Percussion and the fourth is notated Mike Fisher. I assume that it's some kind of rarely used percussion ... So basically my question is, has anyone out there heard of a percussion instrument called Mike Fisher? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: WHAT Sibelius can't do
Well, the Sibelius 6 demo showed me enough to make me think cross-upgrading (and keeping Finale going) was worth doing. So, after many years of using Finale exclusively, I've started using Sibelius. (And interestingly, even though it was a competitive upgrade, I was able to register my copy online using the 'register using someone else's computer.' I don't know if at some point in the future they'll ask for my Finale 3.7 manual pages or not). I've only had Sibelius 6 for a few days, but yes, you can center bar numbers underneath the lowest staff in a piece. The engraving rules seem fairly powerful and easy enough to make adjustments to fit one's own needs in most situations (with bar numbers, but also other situations). James Gilbert -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Hindson (gmail) Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:50 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: WHAT Sibelius can't do Can Sibelius now have bar numbers centred, automatically underneath each bar of the lowest staff in the piece? Couldn't before. Matthew Kim Richmond wrote: My main issue that Sibelius cannot do is a small thing, but something I really want. That is, to be able to have a system start with (for instance) the double bar that appears at the end of the previous system. It will not do that and, according to the Sibelius people, I shouldn't want it to. However, that is a normal practice of notation where I work (Los Angeles). It's not even on Sibelius' schedule to implement. All the best, KIM R ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Editing 2009 files in 2010
I thought I'd update the list on my inability to open my 2009 documents in 2010. It is a known problem to MakeMusic that a 'handful' of people have encountered. The best information I've received is that it is a problem with templates. They've asked me how far back in versions was the original template made (not sure - maybe 2003, maybe 3.7) and if I had converted the template from old versions to new versions (yes, of course). The problem has been passed to the research people, then the quality assurance people, and now I'm told that it is back with research. They can't tell me at this point if a maintenance upgrade will have the problem fixed or not. In the meanwhile, I'm trying my hand with Sibelius 6 (after using Finale exclusively since version 3.7) and after only a few days with it, I'm not seeing any compelling reason not to stick with it, but it is early days. James Gilbert ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Editing 2009 files in 2010
Thank you (and to others) that offered to send a test file. I've received the following from MakeMusic: Make music tech I looked over the file and it looks like it is damaged. To fix it, open the file and go to the File menu MusicXML Export. Next, close the original version of the file. Go back to the File menu MusicXML Import, select the recently exported file and click Open. This should solve the error you are receiving. Please feel free to respond to this case if you have any further questions about this issue. I did all of the above in 2010 and it does work. So, for the handful of new files I recently started in 2009, this solves that issue. I can update my templates the same way. In the past I've converted all my old files to the most current version to keep everything up to date. However, this time the task of exporting/importing/saving thousands of files may change my mind and maybe I'll just keep 2008, 2009 2010 all running on the same system. Hopefully that's not a problem. I'd like to know how so many files got damaged (at least 20 far that I've tried to open have given me problems). Thanks again, James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Noel Stoutenburg Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:42 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Editing 2009 files in 2010 James: One thing that you might want to try, is to forward one of the offending files to someone else, and see if they have problems opening it in 2k10. I have a 2k9 test file that I created, that I'd be willing to send you, too, if you want to see if you have the problem with a file created by someone else. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Editing 2009 files in 2010
Nice idea, but I had already tried the data check and file integrity on the files in both 2009 and 2010. Still have problems. For my immediate needs, converting to XML and back will work. For some stuff I'm arranging, I like to start from an existing piece and edit it to make a new arrangement. Using XML will be fine. I am leery of converting what you might call 'finished' pieces from older versions via XML. James Gilbert -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 1:55 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] Editing 2009 files in 2010 Have you run the repair tools in your earlier version of Finale? Specifically, on the OPTIONS | DATA CHECK menu, run TEST FILE INTEGRITY and REMOVE DELETED ITEMS. Then try importing. I would not want to use the MusicXML intermediary since it could lose things that are important to the layout. I don't know for certain that it would, but the fact of it being an intermediary format gives me pause. If you can repair the original file, that seems to me to be a better solution. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Editing 2009 files in 2010
I seem to be running into major problems editing FinWin 2009 files in 2010. The files open correctly in 2010 and everything is where it should be. When I then start to edit the file using speedy entry, things go a little haywire after exiting speedy entry. First I get an error saying the program cannot initialize the printer. Then, the display colors turn off putting everything into black white. If I use CTRL-4 (respacing) I get the same error multiple times. Then I can no longer move the page around via dragging or the navigation bars. I haven't tried to figure out any work arounds. If I find one, I'll post it. The bug has been reported to MakeMusic. Good news is that a document started in 2010 seems to work just fine. James Gilbert ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Editing 2009 files in 2010
I'm using Windows Vista home premium with service pack 1 installed. Intel core duo cpu, 2gb ram, Radeon X1300/X1500 video card. I'm not having trouble with any other programs and the system isn't sluggish or otherwise different than normal. I have rebooted a few times, re-installed at least once, maybe twice, I forget. Nothing changes, Finale is unusable for me with files created in previous versions (at least 2009, 2008 2007). The only anomaly I've had was in the reinstall program, the computer initially had trouble reading the DVD and I had to eject and reinsert the disc to get vista to recognize it. Considering Finale and the Garritan sounds are all working fine for new files, I don't consider that to be a problem. I'll mention again, for new files, new projects, I can find no problems. The percussion changes are nice and the VST instrument setup is a little easier to work with. Not only do I have the troubles I've described previously opening older files, I've replicated the problem when importing XML versions of the same files. I've tried other things to track down the problem with no luck. I'll keep playing with it to see if any older files I have will work. James Gilbert -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Neal Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:45 PM I have been using 2010 for a couple of weeks now on a Vista 32bit machine and have not experienced any of this with any of the files I have edited from 2009. I just tried the same things with some 2003, 2004 and 2007 files and still no problems. I'm sure you have already tried rebooting your computer. Have you tried re-installing 2010? Rick Neal ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Editing 2009 files in 2010
I have two physical printers installed (one of which has 3 separate incarnations in the control panel printer settings - each with a different type of driver), plus I have a handful of virtual printers (eg. adobe pdf, xps document printer, etc). I tried your suggestion below as well as changing the default printer. I've also made sure my system is up to date with the latest Microsoft updates and also made sure my video card driver was up to date. Even with all that - and having to reboot more times than I care to in a day - the same problem: open a 2007, 2008 or 2009 file in 2010, try to edit in speedy entry and upon exiting speedy entry, problems as previously described happen and I can't use the program. In addition to XML files saved in 2009 also giving me the same errors, templates (as one might expect) created in 2009 also give me the same problems. I've also discovered that doing any note entry via simple entry in such files gives me the same problems. Oh well. On the one hand I hope I'm not the only one with this problem as that means it is so obscure a problem I may never see a fix but on the other hand I don't want others to have to go through what I'm going through. At least I can start from scratch without a problem. James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:39 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] Editing 2009 files in 2010 Do you have more than one printer installed? Even if it's just a PDF printer, try opening the old file in the old version, change the printer and print 1 page and save the file. Then try converting it to 2009. Printer data is stored in the file and is going to interact with the video card, and maybe the printer data structures are mucking things up. How it mucks up the XML export I can't say, but maybe whatever printer data/settings are causing the problems are captured in the XML export as well. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Handbells used plugin (was RE: [Finale] Upgrade)
In the TG Tools plugin menu there is a 'create handbells used plugin.' I've only ever played around with demo of Sibelius 6 and don't know what I'm doing with Sibelius as well as Finale, but my impression is that I prefer the Finale plugin, takes care of hiding the time signature, indenting right side of staff and adding parenthesis around enharmonics. James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Dean M. Estabrook Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:44 PM Hmmm . well, I'm glad it finally worked for you ... after I call them Monday, I'll post the results of my quest. Once I get it, THEN we'll see what happens. One thing I'm curious about, which may be known by some on the list ... I write quite a bit for Hand bell Choirs. The last piece I did, I used Sibelius which has a nifty plugin which scans the file and provides a staff at the top containing all the bells required to play the piece. Does Fin have that capability? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Document Options question
Is there any way (finale script maybe?) to get a text listing of all the values contained in the document options? I'm interested in doing a side by side comparison of the various document options settings from a few files I've done in the past. Thanks, James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Cheap Sibelius competitive upgrade mentioned before
Last week a link was posted to a company that was selling the Sibelius competitive upgrade. The message said the company was selling it for $99 and provided a link that I followed and I thought I saw it listed at $99. I went back to the website today to read more about it and the price is now $159. Were my eyes playing tricks on me last week? Did anyone else go to the website and see the price listed as $99? James Gilbert ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale Tips
I put together a PDF book a number of years ago with Finale tips. It is not current, but with a few adjustments for newer versions, it still may be of use, especially for beginners. If interested, go to my website (below), choose the music catalog then the free downloads link. The title is Finale Tips and Secrets. James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Vertical Collision Remover plug-in
When using the default settings, I find it to be excellent for adjusting the spacing of the staves relative to the lyrics in single page hymns (similar to a grand staff). But, it does has it shortcomings in more typical music, like multiple page piano or vocal/piano pieces. Unless you happen to be lucky and find a specific situation (like hymns) that it works well on, I also recommend doing things manually. James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com -Original Message- Can someone explain how this plug-in works? It doesn't seem to do anything over here. Thanks, Barbara ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Notation Help
I've seen piano music like this, but I'd use cross-staff notation -- put the beam between the staves. As to the hairpins, put them above the staff. That's more like what I see in piano music. James Gilbert Your wisdom, please. Could some of you who are experts in notation for piano please check out the attached PDF and let me know if the notation I have for the piano acc. is within the realm of Kosher? If, perchance, the method I'm using is ok, is the placement of the hairpins through the stems allowable? If you can help, I thank you in advance. Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] laser printer
I'll echo the recommendation on the Ricoh AP610N. For the price, it's not bad. There are better printers out there. I've had it less than a year, but it does quite fine. It prints 11x17 and similar metric sizes. I never tried envelopes until now but it is doable via the bypass tray and setting the paper size via the printer's menu. I do prefer the way an inkjet printer handles envelopes better than the Ricoh. James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Hymn Lyrics
I've done hundreds of hymns in Finale. why not use the Vertical Collision Remover plugin? I do start with a template that has the spacing between lyric verses as well as the spacing from the top staff to the 1st lyrics set. But other than that, I don't bother setting the bottom lyric to bottom staff spacing (which frequently changes from hymn to hymn) or any other vertical spacing settings. I use the default settings of the plugin and almost every time I get a useable document. Even when I enter lyrics on verses 6 or 7 that are well into the bottom staff at the time of entry, the plugin adjusts everything nicely, no messing with page layout system margins. In my opinion, one of the better plugins for this issue. James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Noel Stoutenburg Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:15 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Hymn Lyrics noel jones wrote: I think I have layout and everything under control when doing hymns except lyrics. Multiple verses end up making me manually drag staves around, and I end up with a sloppy looking book of hymns. I've done several hundreds of hymns, and here's what I did early on. I found a spacing between the bottom of the top staff and the first line of lyrics, a spacing between lines of lyrics, and a spacing between the last lyric, and the top of the bottom staff that I liked. I set up a template file, and with all the settings I prefer, spaced to accommodate 6 verses. When I do a hymn with more or fewer, I simply set the space between the bottom lyric and the top line of the bottom staff as needed. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Change 12/8 into 4/4?
Have you tried using the MIDI tool, alter note durations, alter feel options? (And then retranscribe.) With that tool one can change a pair of 8th notes into a dotted-8th, 16th pair. That might help although I don't know what it will do with rests. James Gilbert --- http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johannes Gebauer Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 8:44 AM To: Finale Subject: [Finale] Change 12/8 into 4/4? Is there an easy way to change 12/8 into 4/4, so that all eighths are changed into triplets, and so on? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Digital music stands
I've been using a MusicPad display unit for nearly 6 years and prefer it to printed music, especially when I have the foot pedal hooked up and can use it to turn pages. (I'm a pianist organist). In fact, I do not buy printed music anymore unless I can't find it in musicpad format. The battery life is good, but I'd be worried after 3 hours that it might shut off. I always plug it into an A/C outlet if I have that choice. In a low-light situation, it is great because I don't need a stand light. I can also store a huge amount of music on a memory stick. There is a function that allows me to browse and search within the collection. When I played in the lobby of the local VA hospital a few years ago, it was real easy to find requests that people would ask for by using the collection feature. The cost of the units are starting to come down in price, but they still are too high. If one can buy Finale at full cost or Adobe CS Photoshop at full cost, they can afford one of those units. I'm not sure the Kindle type of units (Amazon) would work too well with music. I think they were geared mainly toward text and simple graphics. Someone mentioned that orchestras would need to hook the units up to a network. Other than the simplicity of loading the music into the units prior to rehearsing, why would they need to be part of a network in rehearsal or performance? What's the advantage or reasoning? I've dropped my music pad about 4 feet, onto its side once, no problems. However, if the glass display were to break, it would do the unit in. But, spilling coffee on or having the A/C return suck printed music to who knows where would end up with the same effective result as far as the performer goes - nothing to perform from. James Gilbert ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Digital music stands
Shows you what I know about orchestras. I thought the players kept their music from rehearsal to rehearsal so they could practice. Since they don't, it makes no since to go digital until the way orchestras operate with regard to music changes. (That is, until the players keep their music and be responsible for it rehearsal to rehearsal. If they were, I could see many ways to utilize the musicpad, including having the librarian loan them CD's, memory sticks or other media with new music on it that they transfer to the pad). James Gilbert Robert Patterson wrote: Isn't that enough? Right now a librarian drops a folder on every stand before rehearsal and picks it up after. Any solution that is slower than that isn't going to fly. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Digital music stands
This is getting way off topic for the list. My last comments. I should of said that I was being a bit sarcastic in my previous comments about orchestras and music stands. The technology and, I think in the world of music, many musicians are many years behind the rest of the public when it comes to some technology (at least the people I run across). When I think orchestras, I'm thinking New York, Berlin, etc. not the small town volunteer or paid just enough to get them to play type of orchestras. When the technology gets there and probably more important, when the musicians don't resist the technology and come up with a million reasons not to try it, then digital music display units -- the more portable the better -- will be standard just like mobile phones, computers and iPods seem to be today. When that day comes... I assume the orchestra provides stands, hence they would provide the musicpads (and I don't know of any that cost $1200, at least not a personal version). Do they actually make a digital stand that has the computer part of it embedded into it? I'm only aware of the 14x10 (and a double that size for conductors) version that is very portable. That would be no problem to carry. Assuming there are no paper copies to worry about, I think, from my own experience, it would literally SAVE hours for the librarian, not makes more work. Yes, making CD's and memory sticks would probably be a bit too much, but uploading the music to a secure web site or emailing the music to the musician -- none of which takes much effort (I do mass mailings on the side for a non-profit organization). When I have to find from among the 1,200 titles I have of organ music, something appropriate for the upcoming week's church service, I spend about 15 minutes putting together the playlist for that Sunday where it use to take me an hour or more going through printed music. As to the source of digital music. There is a publisher that has over 80,000 titles available in the freehand music, music pad format. I also sell many of my own arrangements in that format (and all of my music is in PDF format which can be loaded into the pad), so the source of music is not an issue. For those that have music already, one is permitted to make 'archival' copies, at least in the USA and supposedly their lawyers have gotten this spelled out that it is legal to scan in your music and load it into their musicpad, so long as the original stays home filed away. There are also fair use and academic uses allowed for in the USA. So, the legal question is pretty much settled as to purchasing digital music. As to rental music, I've not heard anything about that. We could all go back to only writing music on paper, only sending letters via the postal service, only talking on our land line phones and we'd probably all save lots of money and maybe even time, but would we want to? Every time Finale freezes or my computer doesn't do what I want to, I think about doing just that, but realize that wouldn't be too smart. I'm afraid those that are so negative about digital music sound like those that advocate not using any technology in music. James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] 2009 User Manual Default Browser
I don't know what I've done to my system (Vista FireFox 2) but with both FinWin2008 2009, when I press the F1 key Internet Explorer starts to load, then closes without displaying anything and the folder containing the help files shows up. I then click on the finale.htm file and it opens in FireFox and all seems to work, except that I have to search for whatever it was I was looking for -- no instant load of the help I need. The odd thing is that when I first got Finale 2008, IE did open up the help files, and once I changed the security settings, worked like it was suppose to. If I can figure out what I did to get the current behavior to happen, I'll post it. I haven't had time to give 2009 a really good going over, but so far, I'm trying to remember why I upgraded. :) James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com Aaron Sherber wrote: Finale will still insist on using IE when you press F1, as you noted, but this may make it easier for you to get to the manual in your browser of choice. Don't forget to complain to customer support about this. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Strange blatting sound
I've just started messing around with the GPO sounds and short story is that I've got the same problems. Also FinWin 2k7c but on Vista. I haven't used GPO long enough to offer any insight about the problem but it is nice to know I'm not the only one experiencing it. It is inconsistent as to where it happens, but it does happen. It reminds of the sound of a bad wav file. James Gilbert -Original Message from Dennis Bathory-Kitsz ... Every once in a while, and as I recall usually in the trombone samples, the Finale/Garritan will suddenly blatt when playing back. It's consistent, no matter if the file is closed, the program ended, or the system rebooted. It doesn't matter if it's the only line of music (so it's not the processor overloaded or the RAM used up). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hyperscribe - - annoying latency
Slightly off the current thread, but my two cents on the subject. I'm finding that with Finale2007 (windows) that hyperscribe is far more sensitive than it was with previous versions. Playing in the same exact piece, as close to exactly as I did before, results in nothing more than a mess on the screen. Frequently the downbeats are off by a 1/16 and even when I hold the note down the full value, I end up with a much shorter value than I intended. I'm using an external keyboard for playback and entry, so I don't think latency is the issue. I also find in speedy entry when step entering music (using the caps lock option to input the same note values) I get inconsistent results when playing chords. Instead of the 3 notes showing up on one beat, I get two on one and one on the other, even when playing all 3 notes precisely at the same time. I never had this problem with previous versions of Finale. On a side note, I do find it interesting that when I load in a MIDI file into Band in A Box or PG PowerTracks, the notation display is, 99% of the time, just like a performer would want to see it. On the other hand, loading in the same file into Finale, no matter what type of tweaking I do with quantization settings, I rarely get what a performer would need to see and it almost always requires substantial editing. James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2007 RAM issues
Anyone else find that even with a computer that has 256Meg of RAM you cannot install Finale 2007?? When trying to install, I get a message that says that since I don't have 256meg of RAM (I do) the install does not continue. (The system requirments that MakeMusic advertises says nothing about having a 'minimum' of 256, just 256 minimum). Why should a notation software program require sooo much RAM in the first place? James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com PS. WinSupport at MakeMusic has been notified. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 RAM issues
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, dhbailey wrote: Then there is the ram that the OS uses simply to run. So there won't be 256MB of free ram when installation comes around, and there may be such a small portion available that the installer simply won't run. The MakeMusic site says NOTHING about FREE memory, only that your system should have 256meg installed. I wouldn't of wasted my money to upgrade if it needs 256M of free memory. (Along those lines, I can't justify spending more money to upgrade my computer just for this program. Finale 2006 works well enough). I have plenty of programs that require 256M system memory that run just fine (and as fast as any computer I've used). I still want to know why a notation program has to use SOOO much memory to notate music. (I can understand why playback or GPO or the like might need a lot more, but why can't those be loaded in only if needed instead of bloating the whole software? It seems like bad programming). Oh, my sound and video card are separate from the system RAM. James Gilbert www.jamesgilbertmusic.com 640K ought to be enough for anybody. (Bill Gates, 1981) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: req fake book recommendation
Also, my repertoire preference tilts toward the older stuff. I'd love a book that's got a deep collection of standards from the 20s, 30s, and 40s, and I'd like a fairly good sampling from before that, too. I like the old musicals (eg, Rodgers Hammerstin, Lerner (I'm not sure who the quote is from) I work at a music store in the sheet music department (Lipham Music in Gainesville, FL). There are literally hundreds of such collections available. We must have 20 or so in stock that cover the 1920's-1950's, not to mention musicals. Hal Leonard and Alfred (which bought Warner Brothers music last year) publish a number of piano/vocal/guitar books like that. Those collections are in the format of traditional sheet music - a vocal line at the top and a piano part below. Chord symbols for guitar are placed above the vocal line. Usually, but not always, the piano part contains the melody. On a side note, I've heard complaints from customers about the Hal Leonard 'legal' edition of The Real Book fakebook. They say it does not contain the same titles as the originals and do not have the correct chord symbols on some songs. I also heard a customer tell me that PDF versions on CD-ROMs of the original Real Book and others can be found for sale on ebay. Obviously not legal, but nonetheless available. James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] human playback again
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Andrew Stiller wrote: Oh come on! Doesn't work means doesn't work. If I say my refrigerator doesn't work it means that it doesn't get cold, and the motor doesn't run. Sorry, but your refrigerator not working could mean a lot more than it not getting cold. It could be getting too cold and the motor not turning off, it could mean that the motor doesn't work when the door is open, etc., etc. I agree with the other author that you're being too vague. Just a thought, and no offense intented, but are you sure you have enabled human playback in the playback controls (the little speaker looking icon in the playback tools, on windows at least) and not changed the human playback preferences from their defaults? (I'd suggested using this way to do human playback rather than the plugin). I have yelled at Finale more than a few times when the human playback didn't seem to be working only to discover I had never turned it on. This has been especially true when converting older documents. Since you had mentioned, I think, that files from other people did work, and since human playback is document specific, that got me to thinking that might be the issue and thus the question. Hope you get it working. James ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Another 2006 bug??
May have found a hyperscribe bug. Can anyone replicate it before I send it in? I can replicate it every time I try, but my eyes are tired and I may be missing something obvious. Playing in the following rhythm in hyperscribe: 1/8, 1/8 tied to 1/2 tied to 1-1/8 triplet followed by 2-1/8 triplets. (e e-h-e e e) Instead of getting the first two 1/8ths, I get an 1/8 followed by a 1/2 tied to the rest of the above. The really odd thing is when I go to edit the measure in speedy entry, when I insert the missing 1/8th (2nd note in the measure), speedy entry tells me there are too many beats even though visually it looks like it is missing an 1/8th note. If I position the cursor over the 1/2 note and type '6' there is an obvious visual change to the measure and I can then add the missing 1/8th (which rules out the triplet not being transcribed correctly or me not playing it correctly). I've tried it at various tempos to see if it is my playing and it does not appear to be. Even if I play the start of the 4th beat the bug still appears. Some vitals: FinWin2006, 4/4 meter, quantization - space notes evenly in beat, include voice 2, minimize rests and soften syncopation, 1/16th as smallest note to be quantized; hyperscribe - Playback beat, 1/4, tempo anywhere from 70 to 100, play staves while recording, record into one staff. The bug happens no matter the number of staves in the document but was first discovered in a document with 3 staves (organ music). I've also gotten the bug using the 2006 default document. Maybe it's late and my eyes are playing tricks and I'm missing something obvious, but I just don't see it. James Gilbert ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, dhbailey wrote: Interestingly enough, changing the setting to be OMNI, and GPO responds to any channel edits I make in Instrument List. However, if you load two different patches and assign them both to OMNI, you get one sound or the other for all your staves (I added a second staff and tried it), so you're stuck with assigning specific channels to the GPO sounds. I don't think anybody could explain this behavior, not even Darcy. I don't know if this explains it or not, but I had some problems getting the GPO to work at all. I was trying an organ piece that I set the staves to channels 4, 5 6 in the instrument list. However, I loaded the GPO sounds into the first 3 slots (which default to channels 1, 2 3). Messing around with OMNI did get me the organ sounds, but not in the way I wanted. So, I loaded the GPO sounds into slots 4, 5 6 and everything worked fine. So, whatever channels are in the instrument list are the channels you need to load the GPO sounds into. (It should be noted that each slot in the Kontakt player, where you load the GPO sounds, can be changed to whatever channel you want it to, but it doesn't affect the instrument list. So, load the GPO sounds into the same channels specified by the instrument list). I still find the soundfont playback to be perfectly fine for playback and for demos. Considering the excessive system demands GPO has and the ready availability of free soundfounts on the internet - there is a nice english organ soundfont floating around out there for free and many orchestra soundfonts - I'm quite content with the smartsynth soundfont or even the Roland VSC for playback and demos. James Gilbert ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Measure expressions general playback
I think this question applies to just about any more recent version of Finale. 3-staves of music (organ music), each assigned to a different MIDI channel, same patch assignemnt. The lowest 2 staves have 'display measure expressions' set to off (so only the top stave shows measure expressions). Human playback is turned off. When I assign a measure expression, assigned to all staves, with playback velocity, it only seems to affect the top stave, not all three staves. Why is this? Shouldn't a measure assigned expression's playback options affect all the staves in that measure? If I want different playback options (velocities) for each stave, I would use a note attached expression on each stave. Right? In looking at the raw MIDI data (from a save to midi file), the top stave is assigned a velocity of 49 in measure one, but the other two staves have been set to 64. This doesn't make any sense to me. Why aren't all staves assigned a velocity of 49? I even tried two versions with human playback enabled - one with velocity continuous data enabled, and the other set to ignore velocity and continuous data (the expression playback info). Both of those were the same as the non-human playback (above) except that the third stave (which had lots of sustained notes) started with a velocity of 85. There were considerable volume (Controller 7) changes in stave 3 - over 50 in the first 2 measure. There were some volume changes in the other two staves (that were not present in the non-human playback version), but not very many. So, it appears that even human playback doesn't set the velocity based on measure expressions. What am I doing wrong? How do I get one dynamic expression with playback velocity to affect all three staves (or even 2 staves in piano music). Yes, organ music often has different dynamics for each stave, but often you only put one dynamic marking that is good for all staves. James Gilbert ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure expressions general playback
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Jim Williamson wrote: Have you made sure that Measure Expressions is checked in those staffs inside Staff Tool? I don't want (nor should I have) the measure expressions displayed on each staff. This is keyboard music - one dynamic expression between the top two staves is all that is required. Also, the only option in the staff tool is for what items to display and makes no reference to it affecting playback. However, in setting measure expressions on in each staff - which looks ugly, the velocity is changed accordingly. But, that's not the way piano or organ music is supposed to look. There is only suppose to be one dynamic marking between the two staves (piano music) and between the two top staves (organ music) when the manuals and pedals are all the same dynamics. Even in orchestral music I sometimes only show the dynamics on the top stave of an instrument family. It may not be standard notation, but it helps keep the score from being cluttered in some cases. It seems to me that a measure attached expression with playback defined (velocity, in this case), should apply to all staves in that measure for playback. Why should I have to display the expression on all systems? I'll accept that for orchestral/band music I probably should have the expression shown on all staves, but this simply is not the way keyboard music works and there needs to be a way for playback to honor that in keyboard music, with or without human playback. I guess I'm stuck with having to use note attached expressions for the top staff and hidden note attached for the other two staves. That's twice the time if I only had to enter one dynamic expression. Oh well.. James Gilbert ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure expressions general playback
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, David W. Fenton wrote: The downside is that you have to maintain two sets of expressions/articulations (printing, non-printing), but that's a helluva lot easier than maintaining two separate files! This is what I thought I'd have to do and was hoping to avoid. Where do I send a feature request? I would like to see measure attached expressions with playback that can optionally apply to all midi channels. Or how about the human playback engine applying a measure attached expression to apply to all midi channels. Seems like a reasonable and logical thing to have. There's a similar discussion I saw on the Finale forum about piano staves with separate channels for each hand so the guy can pan left/right and how the human playback automatic pedaling is only being applied to staff 2. This is a case where it should apply to both staves (which are separate channels). The general consensus there, as it seems to be here is that we are stuck adding non-printing expressions to the other staves. James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mass copy [was: the last system and measure width lock}
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Ken Moore wrote: Not quite the same, but reading this reminded me of it: I use dotted quarter rests in 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8, because I think it makes it easier to see where the beats are. Whenever I copy a measure, Finale turns each of these into a quarter plus an eighth. This is just what I would expect Sibelius to do (:-) but is there somewhere that I can tell Finale to believe me? I can't replicate this behavior - every time I copy, it preserves the dotted quarter rests. However, you might look at the quantization settings, allow dotted rests. James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com FinWin 2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score per-cent changes mid-document
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Gerry Kirk wrote: On several big band charts I have engraved recently, as I prepare the score for printing I discover that at about page 8 the display has changed size by about double. In other words, pp. 1-7 show as being at 100% and all 19 staves fit on one page. Then from page 8 to the end, all margins have changed, and notes display at double the previous page?s size. I've run across some similar situations myself. If you are starting with a template, make sure the page format is correct. I mean the Options-Score Format-Score menu option. I've designed a few templates in which I formatted several pages the way I wanted but forgot to change the score format in the above menu option. Whenever I got to a situation where I had more pages than the template, the new page (really the new systems) would default to whatever was in the score format option. Usually that was the wrong page size and wrong margins, etc. My solution was to either correct the score format and redefine pages in the page layout tool or change the percentages as you had done. Starting with a template that is correct for future projects is probably easiest. James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] turn quarters into 16ths
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Is there a way to turn every quarter note in a passage into 4 16th notes? Rhythmic subdivision plugin. James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ (using FinWin 2005) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Sibelius 4 demo
All this talk of Sibelius made me curious so I've been messing with the demo most of the day. Two questions: 1 - Can I position the Title text anywhere I want it to be? I can get it to move up and down. But, horizontally I can only make it be justified left, right or center. It cannot be moved left and right. 2 - In Finale you have quanitzation settings and can 're-transcribe' all or part of the music based on those settings after music has already been inputed (or imported via midi). Those settings include the ability to have or not have a 2nd voice. In Sibelius I can import midi files (or use the flexi thingy) and specify the quantization, more or less, but I cannot figure out any way to re-transcribe the music to new quantization settings or to merge Sibelius' voices into one, the voices being, I guess, anlagous to Finale's layers. I can't even find a quantization setting. I usually don't do much midi importing, but right now I have a need to do that and I find I use the 're-transcribe' Finale function a lot when dealing with midi files. I know Sibelius' marketing department has all the die-hard fans and notation software novices believing that Sibelius is more intuitive and easier, but I say that's nonsense. (This Sibelius vs. Finale reminds me of the older days of the Mac vs. IBM PC). As the saying goes, we are not impressed. (Yet). James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature bug
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Richard Yates wrote: After months of protest at the EPS failure I was forced to move up to Finale2005. The first thing I tried to do revealed a bug. Can anyone confirm this one? I followed your steps to recreate the bug. I tried it with the default document and a document without libraries. It happily changed to 3/4, 5/4, 3/8, etc. Thus, I was unable to recreated the bug. I'm using Windows Finale 2005b. James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Single Pitch plugin
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Christopher Smith wrote: On the other hand, if you enter a modulation from Eb major to C minor, the key signature stubbornly re-appears as if the number of flats has just changed. Grr. See Document options-Key Signature-Redisplay key signature if only mode is changing James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] duplets to dotted-eighths
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Paul Hayden wrote: Is there an easy way to change a bunch of duplets (two eighths with a 2 over them) in a compound meter (12/8 in this case) into dotted eighths (two dotted eighths with no 2 over them)? Change your quantization settings to No Tuplets and re-transcribe. The only drawback to this is that it will wipe out note assigned expressions and articulations (and maybe more). I've not found a way around that problem. James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GHOST notes
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Henry Howey wrote: In a file I've made in 2003 and updated to 2005, the last two measures have notes sounding in playback that are not in the score nor in the MIDI file. I am using the human playback, and this is the first time I've noticed this. Any ideas? See if you have any Voice 2 notes at or near the problem area. I've noticed problems using human playback with voice 2 notes not syncing up with the corresponding voice 1 notes. If I change voice 2 notes to Layer 2 (or 3 or 4), the music plays back just fine. I do not notice any problem if I turn human playback off. James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
