Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[rglan]

At 3:20 PM -0500 28/11/16, David H. Bailey wrote:
>If I had upgraded for the initial "deal" of $149 I would be very very
>angry with them for making this $99 offer.

Me too.

>I did not fall for it back when it was first announced, and I'm not
>going to fall for it this time around either.

Well I fell for it, but then the last upgrade I got was in 1993 ;-) 
Drove me insane when I had to ring them today though, listening for 
45mins to some crappy version of 'Blackbird' so I could get back into 
my account. Ouf ! They certainly are very suss musically :-/

raglan
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[David H. Bailey]

On 11/28/2016 2:43 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
> jef -
>
> Phenomenal response.  Thank you greatly.
>
> And FWIW, I’m right there on that knife-edge with you, and will also probably 
> snag the “upgrade” today.
>
> I hate to reward the beast by feeding it when it’s done nothing to deserve 
> sustenance, but – yeah.   As you wrote.
>

Nobody (except for MakeMusic or whatever the company is currently 
called) has said that this is an upgrade that people should buy.

If I had upgraded for the initial "deal" of $149 I would be very very 
angry with them for making this $99 offer.

I did not fall for it back when it was first announced, and I'm not 
going to fall for it this time around either.

I fear I will not be buying another Finale upgrade for quite a while, if 
ever.

I start all my new projects in Sibelius and it's been years since 
anybody has contacted me about continuing to work on Finale files, so 
I'll simply stick with 14.5 and see if I ever feel the urge to upgrade 
to a newer version of Finale.

And while all along I've bought every single upgrade, often more to show 
my continued support for Finale than because I needed something special 
that was in a new upgrade, I'm tired of paying for supposed bug-fixes 
which should be free in updates, and which in reality have not been as 
plentiful (at least for my normal workflow and projects) as the 
publicity claims.

There has been nothing new in Finale that would make me buy an upgrade 
since they introduced linked score/parts and possibly one or two 
upgrades after that where they supposedly got the linked score/parts to 
work better.  Nowadays it's just feeding the cash cow instead of getting 
real value for the money spent and I frankly can't afford that any more.

So I'm out on this upgrade, even for $99.  And possibly out for all the 
future ones as well.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Mariposa Symphony Orchestra]

jef - 

Phenomenal response.  Thank you greatly.

And FWIW, I’m right there on that knife-edge with you, and will also probably 
snag the “upgrade” today.  

I hate to reward the beast by feeding it when it’s done nothing to deserve 
sustenance, but – yeah.   As you wrote. 

Les Marsden
(209) 966-6988 (H)
(559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
7145 Snyder Creek Road
Mariposa, CA 95338-9641

National Park Service Centennial Ambassador
President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
Second Vice-President, Yosemite Gateway Partners (YGP)
Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫

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From: SN jef chippewa 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 2:06 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade


that could be because there doesn't seem to be 
one.  the discussion back in august was -- in my 
interpretation -- more about resignation than joy.

a speed issue on mac has been fixed.  so the loss 
of speed experienced witth F2014 has been fixed. 
it is now as fast as F2012.  and we should 
somehow be expected to pay for that.

"dozens of bugs" were fixed, although they were 
not listed so i have no idea just how important 
this claim is, but should we be paying for bug 
fixes?  i don't think so, whether they are new 
bugs or age-old ones, these should be fixed in a 
free update, or at the very least ONLY as part of 
as more substantial upgrade, not as its main 
selling point, not when i am being asked to buy 
it.

as i mentioned in that discussion, i am staying 
with finale "for the kids", certainly not for the 
amazing upgrades.  but i am really on the fence 
with this one.  if i had a client that needed me 
to have F25, i would be forced to get it.  and i 
may spring for it today (because i might 
eventually have to have it), but i would much 
prefer to sit this round out as a political 
statement.  if i buy it, i will for sure feel 
like i am feeding alcohol to an alcoholic that 
will just reinforce their unwillingness to make 
the first step: admit s/he has a problem.

perhaps a better deal on the win side of things, 
but all in all, my reading is that is a 
less-than-inspiring upgrade.  more of a "degrade" 
to its customers.



>Thanks to all who¹ve chimed in.   But so far, I 
>don¹t think we¹ve heard the simple answer to 
>THIS question:
>
>What¹s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?
>
>Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5? 
>
>For Win10 users, particularly.
>
>I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has 
>reduced the previous price for upgrading.  Of 
>course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but 
>the real ones would certainly be revealing.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Dean Rosenthal]

Thanks, jef. Much appreciated. 

Dean

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> On Nov 28, 2016, at 5:06 AM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> that could be because there doesn't seem to be one.  the discussion back in 
> august was -- in my interpretation -- more about resignation than joy.
> 
> a speed issue on mac has been fixed.  so the loss of speed experienced witth 
> F2014 has been fixed. it is now as fast as F2012.  and we should somehow be 
> expected to pay for that.
> 
> "dozens of bugs" were fixed, although they were not listed so i have no idea 
> just how important this claim is, but should we be paying for bug fixes?  i 
> don't think so, whether they are new bugs or age-old ones, these should be 
> fixed in a free update, or at the very least ONLY as part of as more 
> substantial upgrade, not as its main selling point, not when i am being asked 
> to buy it.
> 
> as i mentioned in that discussion, i am staying with finale "for the kids", 
> certainly not for the amazing upgrades.  but i am really on the fence with 
> this one.  if i had a client that needed me to have F25, i would be forced to 
> get it.  and i may spring for it today (because i might eventually have to 
> have it), but i would much prefer to sit this round out as a political 
> statement.  if i buy it, i will for sure feel like i am feeding alcohol to an 
> alcoholic that will just reinforce their unwillingness to make the first 
> step: admit s/he has a problem.
> 
> perhaps a better deal on the win side of things, but all in all, my reading 
> is that is a less-than-inspiring upgrade.  more of a "degrade" to its 
> customers.
> 
> 
> 
>> Thanks to all who¹ve chimed in.   But so far, I don¹t think we¹ve heard the 
>> simple answer to THIS question:
>> 
>> What¹s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?
>> 
>> Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5? 
>> 
>> For Win10 users, particularly.
>> 
>> I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has reduced the previous price for 
>> upgrading.  Of course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but the real 
>> ones would certainly be revealing.
> 
> -- 
> 
> neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation
> http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html
> 
> shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com
> new music notation  +  arts management  +  translation
> [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise  |  [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[SN jef chippewa]

that could be because there doesn't seem to be 
one.  the discussion back in august was -- in my 
interpretation -- more about resignation than joy.

a speed issue on mac has been fixed.  so the loss 
of speed experienced witth F2014 has been fixed. 
it is now as fast as F2012.  and we should 
somehow be expected to pay for that.

"dozens of bugs" were fixed, although they were 
not listed so i have no idea just how important 
this claim is, but should we be paying for bug 
fixes?  i don't think so, whether they are new 
bugs or age-old ones, these should be fixed in a 
free update, or at the very least ONLY as part of 
as more substantial upgrade, not as its main 
selling point, not when i am being asked to buy 
it.

as i mentioned in that discussion, i am staying 
with finale "for the kids", certainly not for the 
amazing upgrades.  but i am really on the fence 
with this one.  if i had a client that needed me 
to have F25, i would be forced to get it.  and i 
may spring for it today (because i might 
eventually have to have it), but i would much 
prefer to sit this round out as a political 
statement.  if i buy it, i will for sure feel 
like i am feeding alcohol to an alcoholic that 
will just reinforce their unwillingness to make 
the first step: admit s/he has a problem.

perhaps a better deal on the win side of things, 
but all in all, my reading is that is a 
less-than-inspiring upgrade.  more of a "degrade" 
to its customers.



>Thanks to all who¹ve chimed in.   But so far, I 
>don¹t think we¹ve heard the simple answer to 
>THIS question:
>
>What¹s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?
>
>Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5? 
>
>For Win10 users, particularly.
>
>I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has 
>reduced the previous price for upgrading.  Of 
>course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but 
>the real ones would certainly be revealing.

-- 

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http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html

shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Mariposa Symphony Orchestra]

Thanks to all who’ve chimed in.   But so far, I don’t think we’ve heard the 
simple answer to THIS question:

What’s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?

Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5?  

For Win10 users, particularly.

I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has reduced the previous price for 
upgrading.  Of course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but the real ones 
would certainly be revealing.

Best,

Les Marsden
(209) 966-6988 (H)
(559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
7145 Snyder Creek Road
Mariposa, CA 95338-9641

National Park Service Centennial Ambassador
President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
Second Vice-President, Yosemite Gateway Partners (YGP)
Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫

Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): 
http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og  
Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://tinyurl.com/MariposaSO 



From: cr...@parmerlee.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 8:29 PM
To: wit...@nctv.com ; finale@shsu.edu 
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade







I use V25 routinely with Win10 and things run smoothly. I wish they had not 
removed the BIAB plug in. That is the only reason I go back. And the file 
formats are compatible so there is no hassle with switching between 2014.5 and 
25.



-- Original message--From: John WitmerDate: Sat, Nov 26, 2016 4:40 
PMTo: finale@shsu.edu;Subject:[Finale] Finale 25 upgrade
Doesn't anyone have an opinion on the Finale 25 upgrade? For or against, I'd 
really like to know what you think of this version. I'm currently using Windows 
10 with Finale 2014.5 and it seems 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[craig]

I use V25 routinely with Win10 and things run smoothly. I wish they had not 
removed the BIAB plug in. That is the only reason I go back. And the file 
formats are compatible so there is no hassle with switching between 2014.5 and 
25.



-- Original message--From: John WitmerDate: Sat, Nov 26, 2016 4:40 
PMTo: finale@shsu.edu;Subject:[Finale] Finale 25 upgrade
Doesn't anyone have an opinion on the Finale 25 upgrade? For or against, I'd 
really like to know what you think of this version. I'm currently using Windows 
10 with Finale 2014.5 and it seems 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Christopher Smith]

Sorry, I’m on a Mac. There are too many issues in the Mac version for me to use 
it right now. I have it installed, but use 2014.5 until I get some bugs fixed. 
The Windows version might be in better shape.

Christopher


> On Nov 26, 2016, at 4:39 PM, John Witmer <wit...@nctv.com> wrote:
> 
> Doesn't anyone have an opinion on the Finale 25 upgrade? For or against, I'd 
> really like to know what you think of this version. I'm currently using 
> Windows 10 with Finale 2014.5 and it seems ok.
> Chordially,
> John
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[Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[John Witmer]

Doesn't anyone have an opinion on the Finale 25 upgrade? For or against, I'd 
really like to know what you think of this version. I'm currently using Windows 
10 with Finale 2014.5 and it seems ok.
Chordially,
John
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

With mine you have to drop the System_7.5.3 file on the smiling Mac. When
MM released it in 2009 this was not necessary, but now (at least for me) it
is.

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Johannes Gebauer  wrote:

> Am 15.07.16 um 09:51 schrieb Dr. Raphael D. Thöne:
> > The fhv.file is the Start Disk for the Mini vMac.
> >
>
> But it isn't loading. Where should it be? right now, the folder includes:
>
> Mini vMac
> System_7.5.3.hfv
> Mini vMac.exe
> vMac.ROM
>
> (it is called hfv, not fhv, is that the problem? I didn't rename anything.)
>
>
> >> > Am 15.07.2016 um 09:48 schrieb Johannes Gebauer <
> li...@musikmanufaktur.com>:
> >> >
> >> > Am 14.07.16 um 19:02 schrieb Aaron Sherber:
> >>> >> Here's a copy: http://aaron.sherber.com/files/vMacFinale.zip
> >> >
> >> > Just out of interest, what would I have to do to get this running on a
> >> > Mac? (I have downloaded the Mini vMac and put it into the same folder,
> >> > but I get the disk symbol with the question mark. What is missing?)
> >> >
> >> > Johannes
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Johannes Gebauer]

Am 15.07.16 um 09:51 schrieb Dr. Raphael D. Thöne:
> The fhv.file is the Start Disk for the Mini vMac.
>

But it isn't loading. Where should it be? right now, the folder includes:

Mini vMac
System_7.5.3.hfv
Mini vMac.exe
vMac.ROM

(it is called hfv, not fhv, is that the problem? I didn't rename anything.)


>> > Am 15.07.2016 um 09:48 schrieb Johannes Gebauer 
>> > :
>> >
>> > Am 14.07.16 um 19:02 schrieb Aaron Sherber:
>>> >> Here's a copy: http://aaron.sherber.com/files/vMacFinale.zip
>> >
>> > Just out of interest, what would I have to do to get this running on a
>> > Mac? (I have downloaded the Mini vMac and put it into the same folder,
>> > but I get the disk symbol with the question mark. What is missing?)
>> >
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

The fhv.file is the Start Disk for the Mini vMac.

> Am 15.07.2016 um 09:48 schrieb Johannes Gebauer :
> 
> Am 14.07.16 um 19:02 schrieb Aaron Sherber:
>> Here's a copy: http://aaron.sherber.com/files/vMacFinale.zip
> 
> Just out of interest, what would I have to do to get this running on a 
> Mac? (I have downloaded the Mini vMac and put it into the same folder, 
> but I get the disk symbol with the question mark. What is missing?)
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Johannes Gebauer]

Am 14.07.16 um 19:02 schrieb Aaron Sherber:
> Here's a copy: http://aaron.sherber.com/files/vMacFinale.zip

Just out of interest, what would I have to do to get this running on a 
Mac? (I have downloaded the Mini vMac and put it into the same folder, 
but I get the disk symbol with the question mark. What is missing?)

Johannes
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Brian Appleby]

In 1988 or 89 two friends and I wangled NAMM passes through a local music store 
in Edmonton.  We had been using DMCS and Professional Composer and getting 
frustrated with their limitations and bugs.  We were hanging around a booth, 
might have been MOTU, when a guy approached us and asked if we would like to 
see a new notation program.  We went up to a suite and got a demo from Phil 
Farrand, the original genius behind Finale.  He was mostly pumped about showing 
us the real time transcription features but we could see the notation potential 
was far ahead of what we were using.  We ordered three copies for the music 
store (don’t think we had any authority to do that) and bought them from the 
store as soon as they arrived, which wasn’t very long.  We all had 000xxx 
three-digit serial numbers, which we still have today with the addition of some 
letters and zeros.  As soon as we got our hands on Finale we dove right into a 
publishing project and learned on the go.  We’ve used it ever since, and marvel 
at how powerful and (comparatively) easy to use the program has become.  All of 
our publications at ApRo Music have been self published using Finale, dating 
back to 1989.

As a Start Trek Next Generation fan, I was fascinated a few years later to 
learn than Phil Farrand was the author of The Nitpickers Guide for Next 
Generation Trekkers and a few subsequent volumes.  A man of many and varied 
interests, apparently.

Doubt that any of Phil’s code remains, but the program is still obviously the 
child of that demo we saw back then.

Brian Appleby


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:28 AM, David Froom  wrote:
> 
> Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
> Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
> slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of 
> the generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of 
> raised rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them 
> that when I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one 
> could still find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of 
> music scribes, all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts 
> for shows, bands, commercials, and the few composers who were getting big 
> orchestral performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the 
> finished scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus 
> (which became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper 
> and pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, 
> ink, special rulers). 
> 
> Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
> floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and 
> pre smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent 
> graphic), and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only 
> because fixing mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get 
> something that actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around 
> the mid 1990s that Finale became faster than doing it by hand.
> 
> David Froom
> 
>> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM,  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
 Dennis
 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Aaron Sherber]

Here's a copy: http://aaron.sherber.com/files/vMacFinale.zip

Aaron.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Robert Patterson <
rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:

> I have searched high and low and can't find a download link for the Finale
> 1.0 emulator. It uses the mac emulator Mini vMac
> , which is available for both macOS
> and
> Windows (as well as Linux).
>
> In researching this, I am intrigued to discover that Mini vMac is actively
> being developed, including a pending iOS version. You'll be able to run
> Finale 1.0 on your iPhone! (Haha. I think the main impetus around
> development is resurrecting the old Mac games.)
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne <
> raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Could you please give me that download link for Finale 1.0?
> > > Am 13.07.2016 um 19:30 schrieb Robert Patterson <
> > rob...@robertgpatterson.com>:
> > >
> > > I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually
> > available.
> > > Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
> > > exactly how much!)
> > >
> > > Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.
> > >
> > > For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone
> > app
> > > that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I
> > checked
> > > you could still download it. How far we've come!
> > >
> > > (I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running
> on
> > > 10.11. Haha)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
> > >
> > >> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I
> > used
> > >> that all the way up until 1996!
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
> > >> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got
> Finale
> > >>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and
> > now
> > >>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> > >>>
> >  On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> > >>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> > > Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I
> have
> > >>> used
> > > Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others
> whose
> > > knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine,
> > including
> > >>> the
> > > always reliable Christopher Smith.
> > 
> >  Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
> > >>> version
> >  until version 2.
> > 
> >  Dennis
> > 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

I have searched high and low and can't find a download link for the Finale
1.0 emulator. It uses the mac emulator Mini vMac
, which is available for both macOS and
Windows (as well as Linux).

In researching this, I am intrigued to discover that Mini vMac is actively
being developed, including a pending iOS version. You'll be able to run
Finale 1.0 on your iPhone! (Haha. I think the main impetus around
development is resurrecting the old Mac games.)


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne <
raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:

> Could you please give me that download link for Finale 1.0?
> > Am 13.07.2016 um 19:30 schrieb Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com>:
> >
> > I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually
> available.
> > Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
> > exactly how much!)
> >
> > Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.
> >
> > For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone
> app
> > that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I
> checked
> > you could still download it. How far we've come!
> >
> > (I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running on
> > 10.11. Haha)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
> >
> >> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I
> used
> >> that all the way up until 1996!
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
> >> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
> >>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and
> now
> >>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> >>>
>  On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> >>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> > Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
> >>> used
> > Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> > knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine,
> including
> >>> the
> > always reliable Christopher Smith.
> 
>  Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
> >>> version
>  until version 2.
> 
>  Dennis
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Kenneth Moore]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:16:11, Johannes Gebauer 
 wrote:

>I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale
>(2k9) to the current.

and, on Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:26:07:

> How is compatibility with older files?

I have recently taken files from F2000 and even earlier into F2014 (Windows; I 
have downloaded F2014.5 but hit installation problems).  A frequent problem is 
that in scrolling playback of the imported file the sound precedes the 
scrolling by a second or so.  For various reasons I have also occasionally had 
to set up a new empty score and transfer content stave by stave.  My files are 
not particularly large, typically less than 15 staves and no percussion.

Ken Moore

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[dershem]

On 7/13/2016 8:18 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
> In the late 1980s I played around with Lime.  I liked Lime in its
> general structure and approach, but it was limited.
>
> The first version of Finale I used was version 2-point-something,
> which I borrowed from a cousin.  It wasn’t long before I knew I
> wanted it, so I bought my own and started with v3.0.  I still fondly
> remember the lovely three-volume user manual/tutorial/encyclopedia.
>
> I was a frequent Finale user all through the 1990s, but some time
> around 2005 my life turned in a different direction and since then
> engraving is something I only dabble in occasionally.  This year, for
> the first time in almost three decades, I’m without any working
> version of Finale.  I had to upgrade my computer in January; I was
> advised that my version of Finale — v2010 — wouldn’t work well on my
> new operating system, so I never reinstalled it.
>
> I’m only now starting to miss it.  A few weeks ago I pulled out an
> old arrangement and started doodling with it — with pen and paper! —
> and more generally I’ve started feeling the desire to get back into
> music again.
>
> So now I’m planning to upgrade.  I think there’s a good chance I’ll
> make the jump to Dorico in the fall, but I don’t think I’ll want to
> be with nothing for that long.  (And besides, most of the cost will
> be made up in the cross-grade vs new price for Dorico.)
>
> mdl

 I did a lot of hand-copying back in the 70's - paid part of my way 
through college doing it, and was tempted to go to LA to work for 
Alphaeus or Judy Greene, but got sidetracked.
 Been using FInale since probably version 2 or so - I remember the 
enormous manuals we got with that version.  I still use version 10, and 
have had zero problems under Windows 10 (64 bit).  I have 2012, but ... 
many of the changes were unfriendly to the way I work, so I don't use it.
 I used Finale during the years I was a copyist for Walrus Music, 
until it got sold, and never had a complaint, but I also built a lot of 
libraries that helped legibility, and that didn't transfer to 2012.

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Mark D Lew]

In the late 1980s I played around with Lime.  I liked Lime in its general 
structure and approach, but it was limited.

The first version of Finale I used was version 2-point-something, which I 
borrowed from a cousin.  It wasn’t long before I knew I wanted it, so I bought 
my own and started with v3.0.  I still fondly remember the lovely three-volume 
user manual/tutorial/encyclopedia.

I was a frequent Finale user all through the 1990s, but some time around 2005 
my life turned in a different direction and since then engraving is something I 
only dabble in occasionally.  This year, for the first time in almost three 
decades, I’m without any working version of Finale.  I had to upgrade my 
computer in January; I was advised that my version of Finale — v2010 — wouldn’t 
work well on my new operating system, so I never reinstalled it.

I’m only now starting to miss it.  A few weeks ago I pulled out an old 
arrangement and started doodling with it — with pen and paper! — and more 
generally I’ve started feeling the desire to get back into music again.

So now I’m planning to upgrade.  I think there’s a good chance I’ll make the 
jump to Dorico in the fall, but I don’t think I’ll want to be with nothing for 
that long.  (And besides, most of the cost will be made up in the cross-grade 
vs new price for Dorico.)

mdl
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[David H. Bailey]

On 7/13/2016 12:49 PM, Ryan wrote:
> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
> that all the way up until 1996!
>
[snip]

That's about when I moved to Finale.  Version 3.5 was my first Finale 
version.

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Williams, Jim]

Raphael, 
Jack's then-colleague at berklee, Greg Fritze, told me about MP+, and I then 
permanently lost my left-handed osmiroid, all my Scripto K780s, and the 
Not-a-Set pages. ;-)
Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne 
>  wrote:
> 
> My composition teacher at Berklee, Jack Jarrett, wrote MusicPrinterPlus…. and 
> later developed Notion, at least until Version 3…. he is still using 
> MusicPrinterPlus...
> 
>> Am 13.07.2016 um 18:49 schrieb Ryan :
>> 
>> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
>> that all the way up until 1996!
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
>> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

Could you please give me that download link for Finale 1.0?
> Am 13.07.2016 um 19:30 schrieb Robert Patterson :
> 
> I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually available.
> Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
> exactly how much!)
> 
> Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.
> 
> For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone app
> that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I checked
> you could still download it. How far we've come!
> 
> (I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running on
> 10.11. Haha)
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
>> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
>> that all the way up until 1996!
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
>> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

My composition teacher at Berklee, Jack Jarrett, wrote MusicPrinterPlus…. and 
later developed Notion, at least until Version 3…. he is still using 
MusicPrinterPlus...

> Am 13.07.2016 um 18:49 schrieb Ryan :
> 
> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
> that all the way up until 1996!
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
 Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>> used
 Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
 knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>> the
 always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>> 
>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>> version
>>> until version 2.
>>> 
>>> Dennis
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Williams, Jim]

Wow-didn't think this would elicit so many replies 

I had the original MusicPrinter on my apple
 ][e and][e, then moved to Laser Music Processor (anyone else use that one???) 
and MusicPrinter Plus on my PCs circa 1987(?).
I also had a utility called Laser Twin that (allegedly) made 9-pin dot-matrix 
printer output resemble a laser printer. Sorta. It did so by overtyping six or 
seven times. Sometimes it put holes in the paper from all the overtyping, as I 
recall.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:28 PM, GERALD BERG <gj.b...@rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> Professional Composer and Professional Performer!  A 2 floppy disk tag team 
> as i recall.  I  miss it for composing. The time signature and bar line was 
> an after thought whereas in Finale it is a before you begin kind of thing. GJB
> 
>  From: David Froom <dfr...@smcm.edu>
> To: finale@shsu.edu 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...
> 
> Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
> Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
> slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of 
> the generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of 
> raised rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them 
> that when I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one 
> could still find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of 
> music scribes, all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts 
> for shows, bands, commercials, and the few composers who were getting big 
> orchestral performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the 
> finished scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus 
> (which became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper 
> and pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, 
> ink, special rulers). 
> 
> Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
> floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and 
> pre smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent 
> graphic), and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only 
> because fixing mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get 
> something that actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around 
> the mid 1990s that Finale became faster than doing it by hand.
> 
> David Froom
> 
>>> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM, <finale-requ...@shsu.edu> 
>>> <finale-requ...@shsu.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
>>>>> Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
>>>>> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
>>>>> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
>>>>> always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>>> 
>>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
>>>> until version 2.
>>>> 
>>>> Dennis
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[GERALD BERG]

Professional Composer and Professional Performer!  A 2 floppy disk tag team as 
i recall.  I  miss it for composing. The time signature and bar line was an 
after thought whereas in Finale it is a before you begin kind of thing. GJB

  From: David Froom <dfr...@smcm.edu>
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...
   
Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of the 
generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of raised 
rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them that when 
I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one could still 
find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of music scribes, 
all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts for shows, bands, 
commercials, and the few composers who were getting big orchestral 
performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the finished 
scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus (which 
became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper and 
pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, ink, 
special rulers). 

Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and pre 
smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent graphic), 
and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only because fixing 
mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get something that 
actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around the mid 1990s that 
Finale became faster than doing it by hand.

David Froom
 
> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM, <finale-requ...@shsu.edu> 
> <finale-requ...@shsu.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
>>>> Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>> used
>>>> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
>>>> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>> the
>>>> always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>> 
>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>> version
>>> until version 2.
>>> 
>>> Dennis
>>> 


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Jón Kristinn Cortez]

I was using (HB) Music Engraver on Mac SE when I saw the ad for Finale 1. The 
price was $1.000! 
I had to save up and got Finale 2.0.6 and have had nearly all upgrades since.
Oldest file now on my computer is Finale 3.0.1r11. Opens fine in Finale 2014d.

Cortez


> On 13. júl. 2016, at 17:30, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually available.
> Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
> exactly how much!)
> 
> Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.
> 
> For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone app
> that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I checked
> you could still download it. How far we've come!
> 
> (I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running on
> 10.11. Haha)
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
>> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
>> that all the way up until 1996!
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
>> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually available.
Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
exactly how much!)

Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.

For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone app
that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I checked
you could still download it. How far we've come!

(I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running on
10.11. Haha)



On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:

> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
> that all the way up until 1996!
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>
> > Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
> > 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
> > 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> >
> > > On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> > bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> > >> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
> > used
> > >> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> > >> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
> > the
> > >> always reliable Christopher Smith.
> > >
> > > Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
> > version
> > > until version 2.
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[David Froom]

Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of the 
generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of raised 
rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them that when 
I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one could still 
find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of music scribes, 
all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts for shows, bands, 
commercials, and the few composers who were getting big orchestral 
performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the finished 
scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus (which 
became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper and 
pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, ink, 
special rulers). 

Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and pre 
smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent graphic), 
and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only because fixing 
mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get something that 
actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around the mid 1990s that 
Finale became faster than doing it by hand.

David Froom
 
> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
 Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>> used
 Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
 knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>> the
 always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>> 
>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>> version
>>> until version 2.
>>> 
>>> Dennis
>>> 


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Ryan]

MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
that all the way up until 1996!

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:

> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>
> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>
> > On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> >> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
> used
> >> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> >> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
> the
> >> always reliable Christopher Smith.
> >
> > Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
> version
> > until version 2.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Williams, Jim]

Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale 2.x for 
my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now 80% Finale, 
20% Sibelius.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz  
> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
>> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have used
>> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
>> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including the
>> always reliable Christopher Smith.
> 
> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows version
> until version 2.
> 
> Dennis
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.

Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows version
until version 2.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Chuck Israels]

Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have used 
Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose knowledge 
of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including the always 
reliable Christopher Smith.

Chuck


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne 
>  wrote:
> 
> How long have you been a Finale user? 1993? Wow…
> impressive.
> 
>> Am 13.07.2016 um 17:50 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz 
>> :
>> 
>> Found a Finale 2.2 file from 1993. Conversion to 2014.5 was flawless.
>> 
>> Dennis
>> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

How long have you been a Finale user? 1993? Wow…
impressive.

> Am 13.07.2016 um 17:50 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz :
> 
> Found a Finale 2.2 file from 1993. Conversion to 2014.5 was flawless.
> 
> Dennis
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Found a Finale 2.2 file from 1993. Conversion to 2014.5 was flawless.

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, July 13, 2016 11:32 am, Robert Patterson wrote:
> F14.5 opens any legacy file, including Fin09. How well the conversion works
> may depending on saves in intermediate versions, but short of possible
> Adobe PS Type 1 font encoding issues, I don't imagine Johannes will see any
> significant issues upgrading a F09 file.

I just loaded up a Finale 97 file to test. No problems at all. Fonts & such
needed updating (no more Tms Rmn or Helv), but the conversion didn't lose
anything.

Now off to find some Finale 2.2 files to test... :)

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

F14.5 opens any legacy file, including Fin09. How well the conversion works
may depending on saves in intermediate versions, but short of possible
Adobe PS Type 1 font encoding issues, I don't imagine Johannes will see any
significant issues upgrading a F09 file.

What you may be thinking of is that Fin14+ can *export* a legacy F12 file.
It cannot export a legacy file for any version before F12.


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne <
raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:

> To my knowledge, F2014 opens F2012-files directly and without hesitation…
>
>
> > Am 13.07.2016 um 17:11 schrieb Dick Hauser :
> >
> > I’m hoping others can confirm my memory on upgrades.  It’s my
> understanding that F12 is the compatibility link between the post 12
> version database structure and the legacy versions.  That is, F14 won’t
> open an F09 file directly.  The process to bring forward legacy files is to
> open and save from F2012 which will make it available to later versions
> like F14.5.  Is that true?
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, Johannes Gebauer <
> li...@musikmanufaktur.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson:
> >>> Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
> >>> thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that
> way. It
> >>> sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.
> >>
> >> 2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware
> of?
> >>
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

To my knowledge, F2014 opens F2012-files directly and without hesitation…


> Am 13.07.2016 um 17:11 schrieb Dick Hauser :
> 
> I’m hoping others can confirm my memory on upgrades.  It’s my understanding 
> that F12 is the compatibility link between the post 12 version database 
> structure and the legacy versions.  That is, F14 won’t open an F09 file 
> directly.  The process to bring forward legacy files is to open and save from 
> F2012 which will make it available to later versions like F14.5.  Is that 
> true?
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, Johannes Gebauer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson:
>>> Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
>>> thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that way. It
>>> sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.
>> 
>> 2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware of?
>> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dick Hauser]

I’m hoping others can confirm my memory on upgrades.  It’s my understanding 
that F12 is the compatibility link between the post 12 version database 
structure and the legacy versions.  That is, F14 won’t open an F09 file 
directly.  The process to bring forward legacy files is to open and save from 
F2012 which will make it available to later versions like F14.5.  Is that true?


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, Johannes Gebauer  
> wrote:
> 
> Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson:
>> Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
>> thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that way. It
>> sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.
> 
> 2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware of?
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

I know Fin12 has issues with playback and some of the dialog boxes crash in
10.11. I have no experience with Fin09. Fin08 crashes on startup, which is
why I need my virtual.

At some point Apple will make 64-bit mandatory by dropping 32-bit runtime
support. That day may be coming sooner than later. I haven't found any
sources that say exactly when it will be, but for example the iOS store has
been requiring new apps to include 64-bit support for over a year. If Apple
does drop 32-bit runtime in macOS, Fin09 will not run.


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 6:57 AM, Bill Baker 
wrote:

>
> On July 12, 2016 at 1:16:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer ([1]
> li...@musikmanufaktur.com)
>  wrote:
>
> I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale
> (2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I
> will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by
> itself...)
>
> Thanks,
> Johannes
>
>Just putting my 2 cents in here, I have not upgraded since 2001, and if
> I
>upgrade I am definitely going to wait for the 64-bit version.  I just
> hope
>upgrading will solve my problem of needing to have the CD handy every
> single
>time I want to run the program.
>
> References
>
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Bill Baker]

On July 12, 2016 at 1:16:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer ([1]li...@musikmanufaktur.com)
 wrote:

I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale
(2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I
will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by
itself...)

Thanks,
Johannes

   Just putting my 2 cents in here, I have not upgraded since 2001, and if I
   upgrade I am definitely going to wait for the 64-bit version.  I just hope
   upgrading will solve my problem of needing to have the CD handy every single
   time I want to run the program.

References

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Johannes Gebauer]

Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson:
> Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
> thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that way. It
> sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.

2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware of?


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

I don't know if Makemusic has announced whether the 64-bit version will be
a paid upgrade. I would not be surprised if it were, however.

I don't think you'll encounter any significant issues upgrading Fin09
files. The one caution I would mention is if you use any Adobe PS Type 1
fonts. If so, you may want to find OpenType equivalents (or make your own
with something like TypeTool.)

Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that way. It
sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.


On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Ryan  wrote:

> Supposed to be available in the Fall.
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Johannes Gebauer <
> li...@musikmanufaktur.com> wrote:
>
> > Am 12.07.16 um 20:04 schrieb Robert Patterson:
> > > I'm sure there are other improvements, but I can't call them to mind at
> > the
> > > moment. Having said that, I think you should wait for the 64-bit
> version
> > > before you upgrade, unless you absolutely have to run on an outdated
> Mac
> > OS.
> > >
> >
> > Does this mean the 64Bit version will be a paid for upgrade? Otherwise I
> > cannot really see why I should wait. I am running the most recent
> > version of MacOS on the newest MacBook pro, so speed shouldn't be a
> > issue right now.
> >
> > Is the next version of Finale around the corner? In that case I may well
> > wait. Although today I got really tired of the outdated user experience
> > with Finale, and the really awful look of the non-retina compatible
> > screen drawing.
> >
> > The smart shape improvements look really good. So do some others,
> > although I would have to redo my default files, I guess, which I haven't
> > got time for right now.
> >
> > How is compatibility with older files?
> >
> > Thanks for all the advice!
> > Johannes
> >
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Ryan]

Supposed to be available in the Fall.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Johannes Gebauer <
li...@musikmanufaktur.com> wrote:

> Am 12.07.16 um 20:04 schrieb Robert Patterson:
> > I'm sure there are other improvements, but I can't call them to mind at
> the
> > moment. Having said that, I think you should wait for the 64-bit version
> > before you upgrade, unless you absolutely have to run on an outdated Mac
> OS.
> >
>
> Does this mean the 64Bit version will be a paid for upgrade? Otherwise I
> cannot really see why I should wait. I am running the most recent
> version of MacOS on the newest MacBook pro, so speed shouldn't be a
> issue right now.
>
> Is the next version of Finale around the corner? In that case I may well
> wait. Although today I got really tired of the outdated user experience
> with Finale, and the really awful look of the non-retina compatible
> screen drawing.
>
> The smart shape improvements look really good. So do some others,
> although I would have to redo my default files, I guess, which I haven't
> got time for right now.
>
> How is compatibility with older files?
>
> Thanks for all the advice!
> Johannes
>
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Johannes Gebauer]

Am 12.07.16 um 20:04 schrieb Robert Patterson:
> I'm sure there are other improvements, but I can't call them to mind at the
> moment. Having said that, I think you should wait for the 64-bit version
> before you upgrade, unless you absolutely have to run on an outdated Mac OS.
>

Does this mean the 64Bit version will be a paid for upgrade? Otherwise I 
cannot really see why I should wait. I am running the most recent 
version of MacOS on the newest MacBook pro, so speed shouldn't be a 
issue right now.

Is the next version of Finale around the corner? In that case I may well 
wait. Although today I got really tired of the outdated user experience 
with Finale, and the really awful look of the non-retina compatible 
screen drawing.

The smart shape improvements look really good. So do some others, 
although I would have to redo my default files, I guess, which I haven't 
got time for right now.

How is compatibility with older files?

Thanks for all the advice!
Johannes


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

Linked parts were available in Fin09 but there have been big improvements
since then. You can now unlink special tools edits like beams, note
spacing, etc. I also really like the beat-attached smart shapes that
replaced measure-attached. They allow for unlinked editing of (for example)
hairpin dynamic marks.

Unicode font support might be important to you as well.

Another big change is in optimization and staff groups. This is a big deal
as well. The process is (for the most part) greatly improved. You will run
into issues if you need to completely change the groups on a per-system
basis. It can be done, but it's not as easy as before. (I wrote a plugin to
help with this, btw, and I think Jari has one too.) The tradeoff is you
never have to worry about losing staves on a system. If there is music in a
staff, it can't be hidden without force-hiding it. And groups are tied to
measure ranges rather than systems.

I'm sure there are other improvements, but I can't call them to mind at the
moment. Having said that, I think you should wait for the 64-bit version
before you upgrade, unless you absolutely have to run on an outdated Mac OS.



On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Darcy James Argue 
wrote:

> Linked parts is the big one.
>
> Cheers,
>
> – DJA
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>
> On July 12, 2016 at 1:16:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer (
> li...@musikmanufaktur.com) wrote:
>
> I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale
> (2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I
> will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by
> itself...)
>
> Thanks,
> Johannes
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Darcy James Argue]

Linked parts is the big one.

Cheers,

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On July 12, 2016 at 1:16:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer (li...@musikmanufaktur.com) 
wrote:

I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale  
(2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I  
will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by  
itself...)  

Thanks,  
Johannes  
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[Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Johannes Gebauer]

I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale 
(2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I 
will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by 
itself...)

Thanks,
Johannes
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Re: [Finale] HELP! upgrade to OSX.10.4 + F2014

[Scott Jones]

Is it possible to restore your drive from the most recent backup before 
Yosemite? 

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 On Jul 7, 2015, at 09:43, shirl...@newmusicnotation.com 
 shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:
 
 
 i am having huge problems after my well thought out upgrade went off on its 
 own
 way.  i planned to install yosemite on a (newly formatted) partition of an
 external drive and keep 10.6.8 (for F2012 and other things) on the internal 
 HD,
 but somehow the installation process took place on the mac HD.  i lost eudora,
 access to F2012 and many, many other things that i knew i eventually would 
 have
 to do but hoped to do so on my timeframe.  now i am stuck with a deadline and
 unable to get many things to work.
 
 FINALE 2014
 - sometimes the programme opens and i can see the file listed in the menu but
 not the file until i open (via the keyboard) doc options or some other things
 (haven't found the pattern)
 - it seems i can open multiple dialogue windows (deleted items notice, finale
 register window, doc options all together) that was never possible before and
 seem to cause conflicts with each other (then i can't cancel or ok any of them
 and have to force quit)
 - sometimes double-clicking on a small test file opens a previous file (in the
 same folder) i am trying to work on but having problems with
 - sometimes opening finale doesn't work (!?) and only the NAME of the Finale
 2014 menu appears (activity monitor does not show it as hanging)
 
 SYSTEM?
 - can someone give me a link or info about how the new spaces works?  i am
 working with 2 monitors and this seems to cause weird behaviour i don't quite
 understand.  there is no indication anywhere what space i am in, so the app
 menus might show but not the associated documents that are open.  i unchecked
 all options in the (apple-barf!-name) mission control
 
 this is all incredibly frustrating.  i am sure some of it could be my
 unfamiliarity with the changes in recent systems upgrades but there is some
 really weird shit happening in there too.
 
 help
 jef
 
 
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Re: [Finale] HELP! upgrade to OSX.10.4 + F2014

[shirl...@newmusicnotation.com]

 
ééé. no. :-)
 
 Is it possible to restore your drive from the most recent backup before
 Yosemite?

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[Finale] HELP! upgrade to OSX.10.4 + F2014

[shirl...@newmusicnotation.com]

 
i am having huge problems after my well thought out upgrade went off on its own
way.  i planned to install yosemite on a (newly formatted) partition of an
external drive and keep 10.6.8 (for F2012 and other things) on the internal HD,
but somehow the installation process took place on the mac HD.  i lost eudora,
access to F2012 and many, many other things that i knew i eventually would have
to do but hoped to do so on my timeframe.  now i am stuck with a deadline and
unable to get many things to work.
 
FINALE 2014
- sometimes the programme opens and i can see the file listed in the menu but
not the file until i open (via the keyboard) doc options or some other things
(haven't found the pattern)
- it seems i can open multiple dialogue windows (deleted items notice, finale
register window, doc options all together) that was never possible before and
seem to cause conflicts with each other (then i can't cancel or ok any of them
and have to force quit)
- sometimes double-clicking on a small test file opens a previous file (in the
same folder) i am trying to work on but having problems with
- sometimes opening finale doesn't work (!?) and only the NAME of the Finale
2014 menu appears (activity monitor does not show it as hanging)
 
SYSTEM?
- can someone give me a link or info about how the new spaces works?  i am
working with 2 monitors and this seems to cause weird behaviour i don't quite
understand.  there is no indication anywhere what space i am in, so the app
menus might show but not the associated documents that are open.  i unchecked
all options in the (apple-barf!-name) mission control
 
this is all incredibly frustrating.  i am sure some of it could be my
unfamiliarity with the changes in recent systems upgrades but there is some
really weird shit happening in there too.
 
help
jef
 
 
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Re: [Finale] OS upgrade - 7 vs 8 ...

[Michael Lawlor]

Thanks everyone for the advice.  It looks like the preference is MAC, 
Windows 7 and finally 8, but no overriding problems with compatibility 
for any of them.
Thanks again,
Michael Lawlor

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[Finale] OS upgrade - 7 vs 8 ...

[Michael Lawlor]

I have been considering upgrading Finale (still using 2009) and with the 
demise of support for XP, will need to upgrade that first.  Does anyone 
have any comments / observations on the usability of Windows 7 versus 8 
or 8.1 or if I should even jump ship, and get a new machine running MAC?
Regards,
Michael Lawlor

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Re: [Finale] OS upgrade - 7 vs 8 ...

[David H. Bailey]

On 6/8/2014 5:05 AM, Michael Lawlor wrote:
 I have been considering upgrading Finale (still using 2009) and with the
 demise of support for XP, will need to upgrade that first.  Does anyone
 have any comments / observations on the usability of Windows 7 versus 8
 or 8.1 or if I should even jump ship, and get a new machine running MAC?
 Regards,
 Michael Lawlor



You do ask the hard questions!  :-)

I have had no problems running Windows 7 nor have I had any problems 
running Windows8 or 8.1.  I will say that I hate the Metro aspect of 
Windows 8 so I searched online and found the setting which allows my 
computer to boot to the desktop so it's just like every version of 
windows before 8, only I can make use of the Metro interface if I want.

However if I needed to buy another computer I would be sorely tempted to 
buy a Mac, having watched my daughter use her MacBook Pro for the past 
year and a half.  She loves it and never once has she said to me Dad, I 
have a problem with my computer, can  you help me?

The only thing holding me back is that there are two Windows-based 
products which aren't available in comparable Mac versions: 
Band-in-a-Box and WordPerfect.  WordPerfect isn't available for Mac at 
all and BIAB's Mac version seriously lags behind the Windows version.  I 
understand that I could run those under Parallels but then I would have 
to buy another installation for Windows to install there (Unless I 
misunderstand how Parallels works, which may well be the case).

But if you look into Macs and check out the Mac versions of whatever 
software you want to use, you might be surprised at what a nice 
computing environment it is.  It's not without it's problems, as 
witnessed by the many messages on this Finale list about problems where 
the solution seems to be to trash some Preferences folder or some Font 
folder.

If you want to stay in the Windows world, either Win7 or Win8 (or 8.1) 
should be fine -- just be warned it's a very different world from WinXP. 
  I made the transition gradually through WinVista so it was a gradual 
change.  Jumping from WinXP will need some adjustment time.


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Re: [Finale] OS upgrade - 7 vs 8 ...

[Craig Parmerlee]

Windows 8 is HORRIBLE.  Microsoft deserves to go out of business because 
of this one.  The metro user interface is horrendous.  Only a complete 
corporate idiot could believe that users actually want to have a cell 
phone interface on their desktop.

As an operating system, 8.1 is functional, although there is absolutely 
no excuse for Microsoft breaking so many apps and drivers EVERY TIME 
they upgrade the OS.  If you can get all the apps and drivers sorted 
out, the operating system performs OK.

With 8.1 Microsoft, said that they were restoring the Start Button 
functionality, but they lied.  They just made the Metro interface 
worse.  But they did make it more practical to stay away from the metro 
interface most of the time.  IMHO, Windows 8.1 is only tolerable if you 
install the third-party Start8 product (which would be the smartest $5 
you ever spent.)  With that, you can pretty much avoid most of Win 8 and 
it then behaves like a newer version of Windows 7.

This week, I received a new system for my music studio -- a high powered 
custom-built machine.  If I could have ordered that with Win 7 I would 
have, but that wasn't an option.  After spending 2 solid days installing 
all my software and working through all the Win 8.1 issues, I thought I 
had reached a stable point.  Just then, Windows decided that my logon  
password was invalid.  I was crushed.  I had logged on 30 times with 
that password and now the system was completely inaccessible.  Now I was 
looking at the grim prospects of having to wipe my system and rebuild 
the OS from scratch.  That would have been a real mess because several 
of my apps -- including Finale -- have convoluted authentication 
schemes, and I would have had to contact each vendor to get licenses 
released or re-issued.

I had a hunch that this invalid password corresponded with a 
networking interruption.  I removed my wireless adapter and then I was 
able to logon -- with that same password.  Needless to say, the next 
thing I did was remove the password, which isn't really necessary on 
that machine.  But this is just ridiculous.  If you use Win 8.1 and have 
your computer is a physically secure location behind a firewall, I'd 
encourage you to remove the password requirement, or at least make sure 
you have created the password recovery thumb drive.

So bottom line: Horrible company. Horrible OS.  Totally stupid idea.

But as a Finale platform, it can be reliable with good performance.






On 6/8/2014 5:05 AM, Michael Lawlor wrote:
 I have been considering upgrading Finale (still using 2009) and with the
 demise of support for XP, will need to upgrade that first.  Does anyone
 have any comments / observations on the usability of Windows 7 versus 8
 or 8.1 or if I should even jump ship, and get a new machine running MAC?
 Regards,
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Re: [Finale] 2012 upgrade for Mac

[Haroldo Mauro]

Thank you.

On 09/04/2012, at 20:40, Haroldo Mauro wrote:

 What happened to Finale upgrades? I've been looking all over Makemusic's 
 website to order Finale 2012 upgrade but only found the full version for $600 
 and update 2012a for registered users of Finale 2012. My last upgrade was 
 2008. No use loggin in to my account. No upgrade anywhere.
 
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[Finale] 2012 upgrade for Mac

[Haroldo Mauro]

What happened to Finale upgrades? I've been looking all over Makemusic's 
website to order Finale 2012 upgrade but only found the full version for $600 
and update 2012a for registered users of Finale 2012. My last upgrade was 2008. 
No use loggin in to my account. No upgrade anywhere.

Harold
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Re: [Finale] 2012 upgrade for Mac

[Darcy James Argue]

http://www.finalemusic.com/Store/default.aspx

Right hand side:

Existing Customers
Upgrade from Finale, PrintMusic 
or another Finale product.
Log in for pricing.
Complete Price List

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 What happened to Finale upgrades? I've been looking all over Makemusic's 
 website to order Finale 2012 upgrade but only found the full version for $600 
 and update 2012a for registered users of Finale 2012. My last upgrade was 
 2008. No use loggin in to my account. No upgrade anywhere.
 
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Re: [Finale] Fin2012 upgrade

[Florence + Michael]

A full install is more than two and a half gigabytes (it's the Garritan sounds 
that take up most of the space). The installer needs to download those 
gigabytes from MakeMusic to your computer, taking more or less time depending 
on your connection speed and how busy the MakeMusic server is.

On Mac there are two problems with the installer: first, it adds two zeros to 
the percentages, showing from 100% to 1%, and second, its estimate of the 
time remaining is wildly wrong. After a few minutes it told me that there was 
about a minute left until completion. It kept telling me this for two hours, 
which was unsettling. After a bit more than two hours, the installation was 
complete, which is normal for my internet connection and the size of the files. 

Michael

On 22 Oct 2011, at 01:34, dershem wrote:

 A friend upgraded me (very nice of him - I guess when you do charts for 
 people, they occasionally pay you back in unexpected ways!), but when I 
 went to install, it froze.
 Froze solid.
 I downloaded the upgrade, and got to the screen where it says 
 Installing - Please wait while Finale 2012 is being installed (which 
 is actually bad grammar), and since then, it just sits there and stares 
 at me.
 
 Re-try from scratch, or...?
 
 Any advice?
 
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Re: [Finale] Fin2012 upgrade

[Mark D Lew]

On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:35 PM, dershem wrote:

 Inaccurate for one, as it isn't being installed - just sitting there, 
 frozen.  And 'installing' and 'being installed' disagree on the verb.

The computer is installing.  Finale is being installed.

It *was* installing when the message first appeared. If it crashed and froze 
after that, it just left the previous message in place on the screen.

I agree that It's not the greatest writing, but it is grammatically defensible.

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Re: [Finale] Fin2012 upgrade

[Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre]

Was there really a freeze?

One thing I didn’t like about the installation was the lack of a progress bar. 
However I let the process take its time, and both of my installations were 
successful.

Klaus





From: Mark D Lew markd...@earthlink.net
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Fin2012 upgrade

On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:35 PM, dershem wrote:

 Inaccurate for one, as it isn't being installed - just sitting there, 
 frozen.  And 'installing' and 'being installed' disagree on the verb.

The computer is installing.  Finale is being installed.

It *was* installing when the message first appeared. If it crashed and froze 
after that, it just left the previous message in place on the screen.

I agree that It's not the greatest writing, but it is grammatically defensible.

mdl


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Re: [Finale] Fin2012 upgrade

[Christopher Smith]

My install took a long time, and I have a very fast internet connection. I 
think the installer downloads the actual content from the Internet, and this is 
why the initial download is quick, but the install is very long. A progress bar 
would certainly help reassure us.

Christopher



On Sat Oct 22, at SaturdayOct 22 5:46 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote:

 Was there really a freeze?
 
 One thing I didn’t like about the installation was the lack of a progress 
 bar. However I let the process take its time, and both of my installations 
 were successful.
 
 Klaus
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Mark D Lew markd...@earthlink.net
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Fin2012 upgrade
 
 On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:35 PM, dershem wrote:
 
 Inaccurate for one, as it isn't being installed - just sitting there, 
 frozen.  And 'installing' and 'being installed' disagree on the verb.
 
 The computer is installing.  Finale is being installed.
 
 It *was* installing when the message first appeared. If it crashed and froze 
 after that, it just left the previous message in place on the screen.
 
 I agree that It's not the greatest writing, but it is grammatically 
 defensible.
 
 mdl


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Re: [Finale] Fin2012 upgrade

[Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre]

I am on a fast connection, too. I did the installation on the first day of the 
release, so I have a suspicion the drag was caused at least partially by too 
many accessing Make Music’s server capacity.

Klaus





From: Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca


My install took a long time, and I have a very fast internet connection. I 
think the installer downloads the actual content from the Internet, and this 
is why the initial download is quick, but the install is very long. A progress 
bar would certainly help reassure us.

Christopher



On Sat Oct 22, at SaturdayOct 22 5:46 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote:

 Was there really a freeze?
 
 One thing I didn’t like about the installation was the lack of a progress 
 bar. However I let the process take its time, and both of my installations 
 were successful.
 
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[Finale] Fin2012 upgrade

[dershem]

A friend upgraded me (very nice of him - I guess when you do charts for 
people, they occasionally pay you back in unexpected ways!), but when I 
went to install, it froze.
Froze solid.
I downloaded the upgrade, and got to the screen where it says 
Installing - Please wait while Finale 2012 is being installed (which 
is actually bad grammar), and since then, it just sits there and stares 
at me.

Re-try from scratch, or...?

Any advice?

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Re: [Finale] Fin2012 upgrade

[David McKay]

How is it bad grammar, please?
David McKay 

Sent from my iPhone

On 22/10/2011, at 10:34 AM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:

 A friend upgraded me (very nice of him - I guess when you do charts for 
 people, they occasionally pay you back in unexpected ways!), but when I 
 went to install, it froze.
 Froze solid.
 I downloaded the upgrade, and got to the screen where it says 
 Installing - Please wait while Finale 2012 is being installed (which 
 is actually bad grammar), and since then, it just sits there and stares 
 at me.
 
 Re-try from scratch, or...?
 
 Any advice?
 
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[dershem]

On 10/21/2011 9:18 PM, David McKay wrote:
 How is it bad grammar, please?
 David McKay

 Sent from my iPhone

Inaccurate for one, as it isn't being installed - just sitting there, 
frozen.  And 'installing' and 'being installed' disagree on the verb.

cd

 On 22/10/2011, at 10:34 AM, dershemders...@cox.net  wrote:

 A friend upgraded me (very nice of him - I guess when you do charts for
 people, they occasionally pay you back in unexpected ways!), but when I
 went to install, it froze.
 Froze solid.
 I downloaded the upgrade, and got to the screen where it says
 Installing - Please wait while Finale 2012 is being installed (which
 is actually bad grammar), and since then, it just sits there and stares
 at me.

 Re-try from scratch, or...?

 Any advice?

 cd


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Re: [Finale] Fin2012 upgrade

[Eric Dannewitz]

I'm going to assume that you are on a pc.since you are virus
scanning email..that must suck..virus scanning.

I'd first make sure you have the right patches and stuff for windows.
Second, make sure your virus program isn't screwing things up.

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On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:35 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:

 On 10/21/2011 9:18 PM, David McKay wrote:
 How is it bad grammar, please?
 David McKay

 Sent from my iPhone

 Inaccurate for one, as it isn't being installed - just sitting there,
 frozen.  And 'installing' and 'being installed' disagree on the verb.

 cd

 On 22/10/2011, at 10:34 AM, dershemders...@cox.net  wrote:

 A friend upgraded me (very nice of him - I guess when you do charts for
 people, they occasionally pay you back in unexpected ways!), but when I
 went to install, it froze.
 Froze solid.
 I downloaded the upgrade, and got to the screen where it says
 Installing - Please wait while Finale 2012 is being installed (which
 is actually bad grammar), and since then, it just sits there and stares
 at me.

 Re-try from scratch, or...?

 Any advice?

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[dershem]

On 10/21/2011 10:03 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
 I'm going to assume that you are on a pc.since you are virus
 scanning email..that must suck..virus scanning.

 I'd first make sure you have the right patches and stuff for windows.
 Second, make sure your virus program isn't screwing things up.

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Yeah, using Windows 7.  :/
I'll have to check my antivirals once I get home from LA on Sunday.

Carl

 On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:35 PM, dershemders...@cox.net  wrote:

 On 10/21/2011 9:18 PM, David McKay wrote:
 How is it bad grammar, please?
 David McKay

 Sent from my iPhone

 Inaccurate for one, as it isn't being installed - just sitting there,
 frozen.  And 'installing' and 'being installed' disagree on the verb.

 cd

 On 22/10/2011, at 10:34 AM, dershemders...@cox.net   wrote:

 A friend upgraded me (very nice of him - I guess when you do charts for
 people, they occasionally pay you back in unexpected ways!), but when I
 went to install, it froze.
 Froze solid.
 I downloaded the upgrade, and got to the screen where it says
 Installing - Please wait while Finale 2012 is being installed (which
 is actually bad grammar), and since then, it just sits there and stares
 at me.

 Re-try from scratch, or...?

 Any advice?

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Re: [Finale] Apple upgrade?

[David H. Bailey]

On 7/7/2011 10:12 PM, Rudolf van Berkum wrote:
 John Howell wrote on Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:11:58 -0400

 For Mac users, I wondered whether I should upgrade from OS 10.6.6 to the new 
 10.6.8 that just came out.

 -

 Hmm. After installing 10.6.8 my iMac wouldn't get past the blue start-up 
 screen.

 I needed to use the install disk to get started, and then clear caches to get 
 things back to normal.


Wow, Apple really is becoming more like Microsoft every day!  I'm sorry 
to hear about the hassles.


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Re: [Finale] Apple upgrade?

[Jón Kristinn Cortez]

I was working in Finale when the upgrade came.
I quit all applications, installed 10.6.8, restarted, opened needed 
applications and resumed.

Cortez



On 8.7.2011, at 10:47, David H. Bailey wrote:

 On 7/7/2011 10:12 PM, Rudolf van Berkum wrote:
 John Howell wrote on Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:11:58 -0400
 
 For Mac users, I wondered whether I should upgrade from OS 10.6.6 to the new 
 10.6.8 that just came out.
 
 -
 
 Hmm. After installing 10.6.8 my iMac wouldn't get past the blue start-up 
 screen.
 
 I needed to use the install disk to get started, and then clear caches to 
 get things back to normal.
 
 
 Wow, Apple really is becoming more like Microsoft every day!  I'm sorry 
 to hear about the hassles.
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Apple upgrade?

[Rudolf van Berkum]

John Howell wrote on Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:11:58 -0400

For Mac users, I wondered whether I should upgrade from OS 10.6.6 to the new 
10.6.8 that just came out.  

-

Hmm. After installing 10.6.8 my iMac wouldn't get past the blue start-up screen.

I needed to use the install disk to get started, and then clear caches to get 
things back to normal.

Regards,
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Re: [Finale] TAN: upgrade advice wanted

[Mark D Lew]

Thanks to all for your comments.

I didn't realize new Apples were due out soon.  I'm not really the  
sort of person to rush out and get the latest model anyway -- if I  
were, I probably wouldn't be working on a seven-year-old computer  
right now -- but perhaps it will be an opportunity to get the old  
model at a discounted price.  Anyway, just because of time  
constraints I was already leaning toward putting off the purchase and  
nothing has persuaded me otherwise.


As for Finale, I shall be sure to turn off all the automatic this and  
automatic that.  That's my inclination, anyway. I'm kind of a control- 
freak and I prefer to do all the spacing, layout, word extension, and  
hyphens deliberately.


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[Finale] TAN: upgrade advice wanted

[Mark D Lew]

After several years of doing very little engraving, I've said yes to  
a big job starting in a few weeks. This means I'll be upgrading ...  
all the way from v2004!


It's been so long, I don't remember what's involved. Is there  
anything I need to be on watch for as I upgrade?  I gather from  
recent discussions on the list that I'll still be able to open old  
files in 2k4 using save as. Although I expect that any ongoing  
project I would want to move to v2010 anyway, I'd still like access  
to the v2004 during the transition. Looking in my preferences folder  
I see the preferences file is named Finale 2004 Preferences so I  
assume that the two versions will keep separate preferences.


Anything else I'm not thinking of?

Question two:  My current computer is nearing the end of its  
lifespan. It's a PowerBook G4 that I bought in 2003, running Mac OS X. 
4.11.  Since I'd rather make a smooth transition while it's still  
functional, rather than impromptu when it conks out, it has been my  
plan to buy a new computer some time this summer. I'm wondering if it  
would make sense to accelerate that plan, get the new computer now,  
and load the new Finale directly onto it.


My tentative conclusion is that I'd rather not, since I've got plenty  
on my plate this month and I don't need the added headache of setting  
up a new computer with whatever unexpected glitches and required  
reinstallations come with it, at the same time I'm relearning Finale  
with a deadline coming up. Also, I'm not sure my budget is quite  
ready for it yet.


But if there's some good reason why it would be advantageous to skip  
ahead now, I'd like to hear it. The specs for Finale v2010 say that  
G4 and OS 10.4 are sufficient. Can anyone confirm that from  
experience? I don't intend to run any of the Garritan stuff. (Indeed,  
I expect I won't even load it until I move to the new computer.)


I haven't actually decided yet what new computer I'd get, but since  
I've been pretty satisfied with my old 15 PowerBook, my default  
assumption is that I'd get the closest equivalent, which I gather is  
the low-end 15 MacBook Pro.


I realize I haven't posed much in the way of specific questions here,  
but if anyone knowledgeable out there has thoughts on my general  
situation, I would welcome them.


thanks
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Re: [Finale] TAN: upgrade advice wanted

[Eric Dannewitz]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Mark D Lew markd...@earthlink.net wrote:
 After several years of doing very little engraving, I've said yes to a big
 job starting in a few weeks. This means I'll be upgrading ... all the way
 from v2004!

 It's been so long, I don't remember what's involved. Is there anything I
 need to be on watch for as I upgrade?  I gather from recent discussions on
 the list that I'll still be able to open old files in 2k4 using save as.
 Although I expect that any ongoing project I would want to move to v2010
 anyway, I'd still like access to the v2004 during the transition. Looking in
 my preferences folder I see the preferences file is named Finale 2004
 Preferences so I assume that the two versions will keep separate
 preferences.

You MIGHT have to re-register Finale assuming you use the SIMPLE Apple
processes of hooking up a Firewire cable and using the program they
have to transfer over all your stuff. Though, Finale 2004 might not
care.


 Anything else I'm not thinking of?

 Question two:  My current computer is nearing the end of its lifespan. It's
 a PowerBook G4 that I bought in 2003, running Mac OS X.4.11.  Since I'd
 rather make a smooth transition while it's still functional, rather than
 impromptu when it conks out, it has been my plan to buy a new computer some
 time this summer. I'm wondering if it would make sense to accelerate that
 plan, get the new computer now, and load the new Finale directly onto it.

Right now, no. Apple is expected to be announcing new Laptops anytime
now. Last week they were rumored to, but it didn't happen. I'd hold
off until they do. Another few weeks or so.hopefully

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Re: [Finale] TAN: upgrade advice wanted

[Jari Williamsson]

Mark D Lew wrote:

But if there's some good reason why it would be advantageous to skip 
ahead now, I'd like to hear it. The specs for Finale v2010 say that G4 
and OS 10.4 are sufficient. Can anyone confirm that from experience? I 
don't intend to run any of the Garritan stuff. (Indeed, I expect I won't 
even load it until I move to the new computer.)


That should work with a G4 if you don't run Garritan. However, you 
probably want to use the single-page view (not any of the multi-page 
views) on slow/old machines.


mvh/
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Re: [Finale] TAN: upgrade advice wanted

[Christopher Smith]

I run 2010 on an iBook G4 with 10.4, and it is a little logey. Okay,  
it's very logey. Turn off all those cute automatic update thingies  
(slows stuff down something terrible on this machine!) and sometimes  
when I am assigning articulations quickly I get ahead of what the  
machine can keep up with and the whole thing crashes. But it will work.


I don't know if you need the MacBook Pro. I just got a regular  
MacBook for my wife, and it is a marvel! The main thing she is  
missing is FireWire, but she doesn't have any Firewire devices (only  
me!)


Okay, I mean only _I_ have Firewire devices, not that I am a Firewire  
device. Sheesh!


Christopher


On Sun Mar 28, at SundayMar 28 3:48 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:

After several years of doing very little engraving, I've said yes  
to a big job starting in a few weeks. This means I'll be  
upgrading ... all the way from v2004!


It's been so long, I don't remember what's involved. Is there  
anything I need to be on watch for as I upgrade?  I gather from  
recent discussions on the list that I'll still be able to open old  
files in 2k4 using save as. Although I expect that any ongoing  
project I would want to move to v2010 anyway, I'd still like access  
to the v2004 during the transition. Looking in my preferences  
folder I see the preferences file is named Finale 2004  
Preferences so I assume that the two versions will keep separate  
preferences.


Anything else I'm not thinking of?

Question two:  My current computer is nearing the end of its  
lifespan. It's a PowerBook G4 that I bought in 2003, running Mac OS  
X.4.11.  Since I'd rather make a smooth transition while it's still  
functional, rather than impromptu when it conks out, it has been my  
plan to buy a new computer some time this summer. I'm wondering if  
it would make sense to accelerate that plan, get the new computer  
now, and load the new Finale directly onto it.


My tentative conclusion is that I'd rather not, since I've got  
plenty on my plate this month and I don't need the added headache  
of setting up a new computer with whatever unexpected glitches and  
required reinstallations come with it, at the same time I'm  
relearning Finale with a deadline coming up. Also, I'm not sure my  
budget is quite ready for it yet.


But if there's some good reason why it would be advantageous to  
skip ahead now, I'd like to hear it. The specs for Finale v2010 say  
that G4 and OS 10.4 are sufficient. Can anyone confirm that from  
experience? I don't intend to run any of the Garritan stuff.  
(Indeed, I expect I won't even load it until I move to the new  
computer.)


I haven't actually decided yet what new computer I'd get, but since  
I've been pretty satisfied with my old 15 PowerBook, my default  
assumption is that I'd get the closest equivalent, which I gather  
is the low-end 15 MacBook Pro.


I realize I haven't posed much in the way of specific questions  
here, but if anyone knowledgeable out there has thoughts on my  
general situation, I would welcome them.


thanks
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Re: [Finale] TAN: upgrade advice wanted

[Chuck Israels]

If, indeed, Apple is coming out with new models momentarily then, of course, 
it's a good idea to wait a little.  The grapevine is usually accurate about 
those things, and there are places people know to look for this kind of 
information.  (I'm not one of them, but I bet Darcy is.)  If money is an issue, 
existing Macbook models will drop lightly in price, as soon as new models 
arrive.

My wife has a recent Macbook that is attached to a $300 28 Vizio monitor, and 
it is fast and reliable.  I haven't used Finale on that setup, but there is a 
remarkable improvement in speed on my 27 iMac i5 (not the very fastest 
version) even over the G5 Power PC (non-Intel) Mac Pro.  I expect that all 
Intel Macbooks would exhibit this speed improvement.

Chuck


On Mar 28, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:

 I run 2010 on an iBook G4 with 10.4, and it is a little logey. Okay, it's 
 very logey. Turn off all those cute automatic update thingies (slows stuff 
 down something terrible on this machine!) and sometimes when I am assigning 
 articulations quickly I get ahead of what the machine can keep up with and 
 the whole thing crashes. But it will work.
 
 I don't know if you need the MacBook Pro. I just got a regular MacBook for my 
 wife, and it is a marvel! The main thing she is missing is FireWire, but she 
 doesn't have any Firewire devices (only me!)
 
 Okay, I mean only _I_ have Firewire devices, not that I am a Firewire device. 
 Sheesh!
 
 Christopher
 
 
 On Sun Mar 28, at SundayMar 28 3:48 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
 
 After several years of doing very little engraving, I've said yes to a big 
 job starting in a few weeks. This means I'll be upgrading ... all the way 
 from v2004!
 
 It's been so long, I don't remember what's involved. Is there anything I 
 need to be on watch for as I upgrade?  I gather from recent discussions on 
 the list that I'll still be able to open old files in 2k4 using save as. 
 Although I expect that any ongoing project I would want to move to v2010 
 anyway, I'd still like access to the v2004 during the transition. Looking in 
 my preferences folder I see the preferences file is named Finale 2004 
 Preferences so I assume that the two versions will keep separate 
 preferences.
 
 Anything else I'm not thinking of?
 
 Question two:  My current computer is nearing the end of its lifespan. It's 
 a PowerBook G4 that I bought in 2003, running Mac OS X.4.11.  Since I'd 
 rather make a smooth transition while it's still functional, rather than 
 impromptu when it conks out, it has been my plan to buy a new computer some 
 time this summer. I'm wondering if it would make sense to accelerate that 
 plan, get the new computer now, and load the new Finale directly onto it.
 
 My tentative conclusion is that I'd rather not, since I've got plenty on my 
 plate this month and I don't need the added headache of setting up a new 
 computer with whatever unexpected glitches and required reinstallations come 
 with it, at the same time I'm relearning Finale with a deadline coming up. 
 Also, I'm not sure my budget is quite ready for it yet.
 
 But if there's some good reason why it would be advantageous to skip ahead 
 now, I'd like to hear it. The specs for Finale v2010 say that G4 and OS 10.4 
 are sufficient. Can anyone confirm that from experience? I don't intend to 
 run any of the Garritan stuff. (Indeed, I expect I won't even load it until 
 I move to the new computer.)
 
 I haven't actually decided yet what new computer I'd get, but since I've 
 been pretty satisfied with my old 15 PowerBook, my default assumption is 
 that I'd get the closest equivalent, which I gather is the low-end 15 
 MacBook Pro.
 
 I realize I haven't posed much in the way of specific questions here, but if 
 anyone knowledgeable out there has thoughts on my general situation, I would 
 welcome them.
 
 thanks
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[Finale] Re: Unicode support in Finale--impending upgrade of ChordSymbol font

[JClevESM]

Greetings, list. I've been out of the Finale world for awhile, but now that 
 I'm upgrading my ChordSymbol font, I'm wondering what the status of 
Unicode  support is. I see that it is not supported in Finale 2010. Will it be 
added for  Finale 2011?
 
If a support rep or product manager wishes to reply privately, I'd  
appreciate that. Or I may get in touch directly soon, also about the 
possibility  
of bundling my Unicode font with Finale once you finally make that leap. I 
hope  to make ChordSymbol 2 the gold standard among music-analysis and 
lead-sheet  fonts. Music theorists have always sworn by ChordSymbol 1, and I'm 
hoping that  commercial music arrangers will equally value the new font, with 
its full set of  commercial chord symbols--not handwritten, as in the 
existing Finale fonts, but  properly set in Times New Roman.
 
In the meantime, I will create three separate TrueType fonts that  Finale 
users may find useful:
 
- RomanNumerals, for roman-numeral analysis;
- BassFigures, for figured bass (featuring slashed figures in any  conce
ivable combination and all needed accessories such as the little  plusses); and
- JazzSymbol, for pop/rock/jazz/theater music.
 
I expect to roll out this font package for Windows and Mac within about two 
 weeks, as the main Unicode font, which features over 1000 special symbols, 
is  finished, and it will not take long to derive the subset fonts 
therefrom. Please  feel free to direct inquiries to my personal email 
address--most 
sales will be  done by email (paying using PayPal) until we can get our web 
site, _www.virtualconservatory.com_ (http://www.virtualconservatory.com) ,  
updated with the needed functionality.
 
Thanks and cheers, jrc

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Re: [Finale] Re: Unicode support in Finale--impending upgrade of ChordSymbol font

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi John,

1) Nobody from MakeMusic monitors this list. You will have to send  
your message to them directly.


2) Speaking on behalf of commercial music arrangers, I hope you  
won't be offended if I offer you some unsolicited advice: if your  
chord symbol fonts are set in a serif font like Times New Roman, then  
I'm not interested. If you can come up with a sans-serif chord font  
that is as elegant and functional as Bill Duncan's Chord Suffix font  
-- example here: http://tinyurl.com/ntvzvy -- then you'll attract  
more interest from that world (especially as Bill's font is no longer  
available).


Cheers,

- Darcy
-
djar...@earthlink.net
Brooklyn, NY



On 27 Jul 2009, at 4:29 PM, jclev...@aol.com jclev...@aol.com wrote:


Music theorists have always sworn by ChordSymbol 1, and I'm
hoping that  commercial music arrangers will equally value the new  
font, with

its full set of  commercial chord symbols--not handwritten, as in the
existing Finale fonts, but  properly set in Times New Roman.


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Re: [Finale] file upgrade experience

[Fiskum, Steve]

Hello Randolph,

I'm still interested and curious. What makes going to 2002 better than going
directly to 2008? I'm not looking for a huge list just a few things. I'm
just wondering if I should fire up those old computers because there is
something that I'm not seeing in the upgrade process that 2002 does better
than 2008. In my experience, 2008 was the only upgrade that held 3.5.2 music
spacing better than any other upgrade thus making the proofing and cleanup
time of these old files very short. The difference between 2.63 and 3.52 are
huge especially when you talk about slurs. Is this where 2002 shines over
2008?

One of the difficult issues in upgrading both 2.63 and 3.52 files are the
text blocks. The words do not always show up but the handles are there. The
best method is to remove the text from the box (cut) and paste in new.
Performing a Command-M on the boxes will bring them back but they don't
attach to the handle the same as if you had place a brand new text block so
alignment using numbers can be a problem especially if you have a mix of old
and new text blocks.

Thanks for continuing to comment on this issue.

Steve


5/11/09 7:37 PM, Randolph Peters randolphpet...@shaw.ca wrote:

 Steve has a point. Finale 2008 does some things fairly well when
 opening an old file. Mid-measure clef changes stay put, for example.
 But the best method I've tried still involves going through v2002 first.
 
 -Randolph Peters
 
   Steve Fiskum wrote:
 I understand the issues with 2009 but what about upgrading directly
 to 2008?
 



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Re: [Finale] file upgrade experience

[Fiskum, Steve]

Hello Randolph,

Very interesting. I've upgraded 100s of 2.63 choral files and have good
results going directly to 2008. Out of curiosity, what type of music are you
upgrading and what types of issues were you having (I agree that 2009 is a
disaster to upgrade directly)?

Thanks,
Steve


5/10/09 10:40 PM, Randolph Peters randolphpet...@shaw.ca wrote:

 On the advice of the Finale list, I upgraded a version 2.63 file to
 Finale 2008 by first going through Finale 2002.
 
 It took a few weeks to get to it because I had to resurrect an old
 computer from the crawl space. The old Mac was fine, if not slow, and
 it still had Finale 2002 on it. (Finale 2002 on a Mac only works with
 an older processor and OS.)
 
 What a huge difference that made! Going directly from 2.63 into Finale
 2008 or worse, Finale 2009, is a total disaster. But Finale 2002 keeps
 most things where they are supposed to be and that makes it easier for
 Finale 2008 and 2009 to handle.
 
 So thanks to Robert Patterson, Christopher Smith and others for their
 superb help!
 
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Re: [Finale] file upgrade experience

[Randolph Peters]

The biggest problem in upgrading old files to Finale 2009 is the  
scattering of expressions. In the files I was working with, most of my  
dynamics showed up far to the right of the page. A dynamic attached to  
beat 2 in the original might show up as belonging to beat 10 in the  
upgraded file. And this is in a 4/4 measure!


The old files used a lot of what used to be called score expressions  
(as opposed to note expressions) and most of these were made to show  
up only on one staff. That used to be the best way to incorporate  
hairpins and dynamics on a held note.


These v2.63 files were for large orchestra and used a variety of fonts  
that are now outdated. (Newport, Petrucci, and so on.)


-Randolph Peters

Fiskum, Steve wrote:
Very interesting. I've upgraded 100s of 2.63 choral files and have  
good
results going directly to 2008. Out of curiosity, what type of music  
are you
upgrading and what types of issues were you having (I agree that  
2009 is a

disaster to upgrade directly)?
Thanks,
Steve

Randolph Peters  wrote:

On the advice of the Finale list, I upgraded a version 2.63 file to
Finale 2008 by first going through Finale 2002.

It took a few weeks to get to it because I had to resurrect an old
computer from the crawl space. The old Mac was fine, if not slow, and
it still had Finale 2002 on it. (Finale 2002 on a Mac only works with
an older processor and OS.)

What a huge difference that made! Going directly from 2.63 into  
Finale
2008 or worse, Finale 2009, is a total disaster. But Finale 2002  
keeps
most things where they are supposed to be and that makes it easier  
for

Finale 2008 and 2009 to handle.

So thanks to Robert Patterson, Christopher Smith and others for their
superb help!

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Re: [Finale] file upgrade experience

[Fiskum, Steve]

I understand the issues with 2009 but what about upgrading directly to 2008?

Steve


5/11/09 9:20 AM, Randolph Peters randolphpet...@shaw.ca wrote:

 The biggest problem in upgrading old files to Finale 2009 is the
 scattering of expressions. In the files I was working with, most of my
 dynamics showed up far to the right of the page. A dynamic attached to
 beat 2 in the original might show up as belonging to beat 10 in the
 upgraded file. And this is in a 4/4 measure!
 
 The old files used a lot of what used to be called score expressions
 (as opposed to note expressions) and most of these were made to show
 up only on one staff. That used to be the best way to incorporate
 hairpins and dynamics on a held note.
 
 These v2.63 files were for large orchestra and used a variety of fonts
 that are now outdated. (Newport, Petrucci, and so on.)
 
 -Randolph Peters
 
 Fiskum, Steve wrote:
 Very interesting. I've upgraded 100s of 2.63 choral files and have
 good
 results going directly to 2008. Out of curiosity, what type of music
 are you
 upgrading and what types of issues were you having (I agree that
 2009 is a
 disaster to upgrade directly)?
 Thanks,
 Steve
 
 Randolph Peters  wrote:
 On the advice of the Finale list, I upgraded a version 2.63 file to
 Finale 2008 by first going through Finale 2002.
 
 It took a few weeks to get to it because I had to resurrect an old
 computer from the crawl space. The old Mac was fine, if not slow, and
 it still had Finale 2002 on it. (Finale 2002 on a Mac only works with
 an older processor and OS.)
 
 What a huge difference that made! Going directly from 2.63 into
 Finale
 2008 or worse, Finale 2009, is a total disaster. But Finale 2002
 keeps
 most things where they are supposed to be and that makes it easier
 for
 Finale 2008 and 2009 to handle.
 
 So thanks to Robert Patterson, Christopher Smith and others for their
 superb help!
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Re: [Finale] file upgrade experience

[Randolph Peters]

Steve has a point. Finale 2008 does some things fairly well when  
opening an old file. Mid-measure clef changes stay put, for example.  
But the best method I've tried still involves going through v2002 first.


-Randolph Peters

 Steve Fiskum wrote:
I understand the issues with 2009 but what about upgrading directly  
to 2008?


Randolph Peters wrote:


The biggest problem in upgrading old files to Finale 2009 is the
scattering of expressions. In the files I was working with, most of  
my
dynamics showed up far to the right of the page. A dynamic attached  
to

beat 2 in the original might show up as belonging to beat 10 in the
upgraded file. And this is in a 4/4 measure!

The old files used a lot of what used to be called score expressions
(as opposed to note expressions) and most of these were made to show
up only on one staff. That used to be the best way to incorporate
hairpins and dynamics on a held note.

These v2.63 files were for large orchestra and used a variety of  
fonts

that are now outdated. (Newport, Petrucci, and so on.)

Fiskum, Steve wrote:

Very interesting. I've upgraded 100s of 2.63 choral files and have
good results going directly to 2008. Out of curiosity, what type  
of music
are you upgrading and what types of issues were you having (I  
agree that

2009 is a disaster to upgrade directly)?
Thanks,
Steve

Randolph Peters  wrote:

On the advice of the Finale list, I upgraded a version 2.63 file to
Finale 2008 by first going through Finale 2002.

It took a few weeks to get to it because I had to resurrect an old
computer from the crawl space. The old Mac was fine, if not slow,  
and
it still had Finale 2002 on it. (Finale 2002 on a Mac only works  
with

an older processor and OS.)

What a huge difference that made! Going directly from 2.63 into
Finale 2008 or worse, Finale 2009, is a total disaster. But  
Finale 2002
keeps most things where they are supposed to be and that makes it  
easier

for Finale 2008 and 2009 to handle.

So thanks to Robert Patterson, Christopher Smith and others for  
their

superb help!

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[Finale] file upgrade experience

[Randolph Peters]

On the advice of the Finale list, I upgraded a version 2.63 file to  
Finale 2008 by first going through Finale 2002.


It took a few weeks to get to it because I had to resurrect an old  
computer from the crawl space. The old Mac was fine, if not slow, and  
it still had Finale 2002 on it. (Finale 2002 on a Mac only works with  
an older processor and OS.)


What a huge difference that made! Going directly from 2.63 into Finale  
2008 or worse, Finale 2009, is a total disaster. But Finale 2002 keeps  
most things where they are supposed to be and that makes it easier for  
Finale 2008 and 2009 to handle.


So thanks to Robert Patterson, Christopher Smith and others for their  
superb help!


-Randolph Peters
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[Finale] countdown (upgrade)

[shirling neueweise]

hey robert, i haven,t gotten around to paying my upgrade yet and now 
i'm getting the countdown have to wait 10s each time i invokle PI... 
wonder if i can get a week or so grace, in the midedl of massive 
project, dont have head/time for this right now...


sorry, been meaning to deal, as soon as i can breath i'll settle up.

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Re: [Finale] GPO upgrade

[Eric Dannewitz]

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49704page=7

I think all the products have reached 200 buyers now. Looking forward to 
the Stradivari violin.



Will Denayer wrote:
I haven't seen this mentioned, but Garritan is having a group buy this 
year. Great way to get the full version of GPO, Jazz Band, and/or the 
Strat Violin libraries.


https://amerifare.cybrhost.com/harps/GroupBuyForm-122006.php

I would be interested in buying a full orchestra version of GPO for $139, but we need to find 200 buyers. 
How can we ever do this, and besides I live in Europe (or almost, in Ireland). 
Best regards, Will



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[Finale] To upgrade or not

[Craig Sylvern]

My apologies if this has been covered recently.

I am currently using Finale 2006.  I usually upgrade Finale every two years
or so, but some of the new features in Finale 2007, especially the linked
parts, are very compelling.

Is 2007 different enough to warrant spending another $100 to upgrade???

thanks,
Craig 

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Re: [Finale] To upgrade or not

[Eric Dannewitz]

Yes. The linked parts are very good. They require a little bit of 
learning, but it saves a ton of time than extracting parts.


Craig Sylvern wrote:

My apologies if this has been covered recently.

I am currently using Finale 2006.  I usually upgrade Finale every two years
or so, but some of the new features in Finale 2007, especially the linked
parts, are very compelling.

Is 2007 different enough to warrant spending another $100 to upgrade???

thanks,
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Re: [Finale] To upgrade or not

[Chuck Israels]

I am in basic agreement with Eric and I am hopefully optimistic that  
the maintenance update (on which MM is working) should make some  
things work more smoothly.  Whether or no the linked parts will save  
you time depends on the kind of music you write, and how much editing  
occurs after the parts have been created.


Chuck


On Nov 30, 2006, at 10:31 AM, Craig Sylvern wrote:


My apologies if this has been covered recently.

I am currently using Finale 2006.  I usually upgrade Finale every  
two years
or so, but some of the new features in Finale 2007, especially the  
linked

parts, are very compelling.

Is 2007 different enough to warrant spending another $100 to  
upgrade???


thanks,
Craig

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Re: [Finale] 2007 Upgrade Mac Package Contents

[Carolyn Bremer]

Hi Carlberg:

There is no printed material with finale other than a quick reference
guide (6 pages). Perhaps the only useful material is the 2-page list
of keyboard shortcuts, but they're all available elsewhere.

-Carolyn Bremer



On 8/20/06, Carlberg Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Greetings -

I'm wondering exactly what is in the 2007 Upgrade package.

Mine was delivered to an incorrect address; MakeMusic send me two
disks only, which they said they were happy to do since the
misdirection of Finale was their error.

I'm just wondering if I'll need what was included in the box, keeping
in mind I'm a rank beginner at Finale.

So, two questions:

What was in the box?

Will I need it?

Thanks very much.

Regards,

Carlberg Jones
Guanajuato, Gto.
MEXICO
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[Finale] 2007 Upgrade Mac Package Contents

[Carlberg Jones]

Greetings -

I'm wondering exactly what is in the 2007 Upgrade package.

Mine was delivered to an incorrect address; MakeMusic send me two 
disks only, which they said they were happy to do since the 
misdirection of Finale was their error.


I'm just wondering if I'll need what was included in the box, keeping 
in mind I'm a rank beginner at Finale.


So, two questions:

What was in the box?

Will I need it?

Thanks very much.

Regards,

Carlberg Jones
Guanajuato, Gto.
MEXICO
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Re: [Finale] Fwd: Finale 2026 Upgrade Offer - We've fixed everything!

[Christopher Smith]

On Jan 26, 2006, at 3:44 PM, shirling  neueweise wrote:



From: Finally  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.banksy.co.uk/indoors/ 
print1.html
finale06_banner_b.gifThis upgrade doesn't include any bells and  
whistles intended to distract you from the insufficiencies of the  
programme, in fact there are no new features (sic) in this version.  
Instead, the development team have finally realised that the way to  
keeping long-term users of Finale - including those who are  
responsible for the purchasing of software for university computer  
labs - satisfied and discouraged from jumping ship to Sibelius, is to  
actually listen to their concerns. Install the new upgrade, open the  
application, and be amazed by the fact that all long-standing as well  
as recent concerns have been finally addressed.





BWAHH!

I spit tea all over my computer again! Shame on you!

What is truly priceless is that the upgrade link leads to a Russian  
site called Elvis Lives. NIce that all the mythical ideas live in the  
same place...


This is great. You are da man.

Christopher

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Re: [Finale] Fwd: Finale 2026 Upgrade Offer - We've fixed everything!

[Eric Dannewitz]

That was a little overboard. It's almost as bad as Microsoft doing those 
commercials about security...Sure, there are some issues with 
Finale, but it's still my notation program of choice.


Snipped

shirling  neueweise wrote:





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Re: [Finale] Fwd: Finale 2026 Upgrade Offer - We've fixed everything!

[Liudas]

Introducing the all-new Finale! New features include:

-- each note has a different color and size
-- maximum # of notes per measure: 4 (click here to buy more) (you can
change the time signature to avoid this)
-- whistle while the all-new Finale Bank (R) charges your publisher for you
(small fee)
-- All of the menus have changed (see the new Microsoft Word) and keep
changing
-- Everything moves around the screen depending on what other software is
installed on your computer
-- Security features include all-new patented Finale Doubtfulness that you
are the composer
-- Emulates running ink so you'd be inspired
-- Finale Orchestra plays your music and is even late for rehearsal, each
time with different excuses! (buy more excuses here)

This new version is free! (for 30 days). We've teamed with new owners! We
are improving the way YOU WORK!




- Original Message -
From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Fwd: Finale 2026 Upgrade Offer - We've fixed
everything!



 On Jan 26, 2006, at 3:44 PM, shirling  neueweise wrote:
 
 
  From: Finally
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.banksy.co.uk/indoors/
  print1.html
  finale06_banner_b.gifThis upgrade doesn't include any bells and
  whistles intended to distract you from the insufficiencies of the
  programme, in fact there are no new features (sic) in this version.
  Instead, the development team have finally realised that the way to
  keeping long-term users of Finale - including those who are
  responsible for the purchasing of software for university computer
  labs - satisfied and discouraged from jumping ship to Sibelius, is to
  actually listen to their concerns. Install the new upgrade, open the
  application, and be amazed by the fact that all long-standing as well
  as recent concerns have been finally addressed.
 


 BWAHH!

 I spit tea all over my computer again! Shame on you!

 What is truly priceless is that the upgrade link leads to a Russian
 site called Elvis Lives. NIce that all the mythical ideas live in the
 same place...

 This is great. You are da man.

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Re: [Finale] Fwd: Finale 2026 Upgrade Offer - We've fixed everything!

[Eric Dannewitz]

You forgot the part about union rates and breaks and such ;-)

And where is the EASY button? Gotta have that

Liudas wrote:

Introducing the all-new Finale! New features include:

-- each note has a different color and size
-- maximum # of notes per measure: 4 (click here to buy more) (you can
change the time signature to avoid this)
-- whistle while the all-new Finale Bank (R) charges your publisher for you
(small fee)
-- All of the menus have changed (see the new Microsoft Word) and keep
changing
-- Everything moves around the screen depending on what other software is
installed on your computer
-- Security features include all-new patented Finale Doubtfulness that you
are the composer
-- Emulates running ink so you'd be inspired
-- Finale Orchestra plays your music and is even late for rehearsal, each
time with different excuses! (buy more excuses here)

This new version is free! (for 30 days). We've teamed with new owners! We
are improving the way YOU WORK!
  



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Re: [Finale] Fwd: Finale 2026 Upgrade Offer - We've fixed everything!

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 26.01.2006 Liudas wrote:

-- Finale Orchestra plays your music and is even late for rehearsal, each
time with different excuses! (buy more excuses here)



This is already partly implemented now. When I setup GPO and adjust the 
length parameter in the AU, the next time (ie next rehearsal) it has 
forgotten everything. Just like rehearsing an amateur orchestra...The 
next time I will go around my GPO players and hand out pencils.


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Re: [Finale] Fwd: Finale 2026 Upgrade Offer - We've fixed everything!

[Gerald Berg]

Good thing I waited!

Jerry



On 26-Jan-06, at 3:44 PM, shirling  neueweise wrote:



To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: Richard Llewellyn International Sales Manager  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Investor Relations Alan Shuler  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Wolff Chief Executive Officer  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], John Paulson President  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Shuler Chief Financial Officer  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Dunn Chief Technology Officer  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ron Raup Chief Marketing Officer  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeff McGuire Senior Vice President of Sales  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Anne Bartsch Director of Marketing  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



From: Finally  
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print1.html
finale06_banner_b.gifThis upgrade doesn't include any bells and  
whistles intended to distract you from the insufficiencies of the  
programme, in fact there are no new features (sic) in this version.  
Instead, the development team have finally realised that the way to  
keeping long-term users of Finale - including those who are  
responsible for the purchasing of software for university computer  
labs - satisfied and discouraged from jumping ship to Sibelius, is to  
actually listen to their concerns. Install the new upgrade, open the  
application, and be amazed by the fact that all long-standing as well  
as recent concerns have been finally addressed.



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Re: [Finale] Re: Upgrade question follow-up

[dhbailey]

Kevin Riehle wrote:

is Sibelius cheaper?




Not as far as upgrades go, although if you pro-rate the cost of the 
Sibelius upgrade to an annual basis, it does end up being much cheaper 
on an annual basis.


Sibelius only upgrades when they have significant improvements to offer, 
not on a forced-annual-upgrade schedule, so it may be a year and a half 
or two years between upgrades for Sibelius.


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[Finale] Re: Upgrade question follow-up

[williamspencer]

Wade, thanks for the link, which I missed. It answered my questions.

So, aside from eBay any suggestions on where I might track down a newer-but-not-current version? I've got FinMac2Kc.


As always my thanks in advance.

*
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Re: [Finale] Re: Upgrade question follow-up

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 17.11.2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Wade, thanks for the link, which I missed. It answered my questions.
 
So, aside from eBay any suggestions on where I might track down a 
newer-but-not-current version? I've got FinMac2Kc.
 
As always my thanks in advance.




What exactly is your reason for not wanting 2k6?

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