Hi,
I did some experiments both with hg and git, and collecting responses.
IMHO there is no real technical point to prefer one of DVCS'es.
* Tim Moore told us gitorious have push too.
* msysgit is a little bit better integrated in Windows -- for instance
simpler file name mapping.
* with
Pete Morgan wrote:
I do like the way qt uses it with merge requests. a lot of them to do
with documentation corrections, as well as minor touches to code.
I was following this thread since I'm interested about opinions and thoughts
about version control systems, from a software engineering
So what would the source tree look like to you as a developer and pilot
eg
hanger/boeing/**
Pablo Rogina wrote:
Pete Morgan wrote:
I do like the way qt uses it with merge requests. a lot of them to do
with documentation corrections, as well as minor touches to code.
I was following
James A. Treacy schrieb:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 07:25:33PM -0600, Ron Jensen wrote:
My own, personal opinion is SVN is worse than CVS. I see no advantage
to moving there first.
Could you elaborate on this? This discussion needs more facts so that
a rational decision can be reached.
Let
On Tuesday, 29. September 2009, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
Let me talk from the Windows perspective:
git seems to work best with msysgit. Entrance barrier: You need to know
UNIX shell. (After trying out I would recommend the msysgit rather the
cygwin). Documentation of msysgit is almost non existing
Tim Moore wrote:
The gitorious repos are being run in the pull style right now. No
one has asked for commit rights to it, and the only official source of patches
is CVS... but as I have said elsewhere, these repos are not a direct mirror of
CVS. I've been maintaining a master branch which is
Tim wrote
-Original Message-
From: Tim Moore [mailto:timo...@redhat.com]
Sent: 29 September 2009 09:26
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Source code control systems
On 09/29/2009 08:54 AM, Stefan Seifert wrote:
On Tuesday, 29. September 2009
On 09/24/2009 10:56 PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
2) From the homepage:
So you do not want to help? Then there is nothing to see here, please
move along. this is not friendly for the casual user of some kind of
middleware when I have other options.
This is in the section How Not to Participate.
On 09/26/2009 10:50 PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
Hi,
I do not have write permissions to any of the hg or git reprositories...
So I can only check repositories out, which works flawless with git and
hg, no surprise.
I see that you've cloned the gitorious repo; if you still need write access
to
On 09/26/2009 10:50 PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
Hi,
I do not have write permissions to any of the hg or git reprositories...
So I can only check repositories out, which works flawless with git and
hg, no surprise.
I see that you've cloned the gitorious repo; if you still need write access
to
As an observer..
This is a long thread with no conclusions, but maybe one.
The one firm conclusion is to get off CVS at least.
So i dont see why it can't be first be moved to svn which is tried and
tested, supported on windows as the first step.
pete
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 07:25:33PM -0600, Ron Jensen wrote:
My own, personal opinion is SVN is worse than CVS. I see no advantage
to moving there first.
Could you elaborate on this? This discussion needs more facts so that
a rational decision can be reached.
--
James Treacy
tre...@debian.org
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Alex Perry alex.pe...@ieee.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Tom P zomm...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
I've tried to push a Mercurial test repository (FlightGear converted from
CVS) to code.google.com for a few hours, without success.
It aborts regularly
Hi,
I do not have write permissions to any of the hg or git reprositories...
So I can only check repositories out, which works flawless with git and
hg, no surprise.
BUT:
* Both the hg https://possible-little-test.googlecode.com/hg
and the gitorious repositories have corrupted the VC90
On Saturday 26 September 2009 21:50:30 Olaf Flebbe wrote:
* The real thing would be FlightGear data!
I'm sure I'm not the only person who has been happily using the mapserver git
repo for FG data for quite some time now (on Linux)...
Cheers,
AJ
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Olaf Flebbe f...@oflebbe.de wrote:
I do not have write permissions to any of the hg or git reprositories...
Yeah. I don't think there is a way I can find out everybody's google
accounts from their email traffic. To try to speed this up, I've put
up a quick web
Olaf Flebbe wrote:
Windows Implementations:
git can be tedious to use on Windows: I had big problems working on a
project mixing up git repositories on linux pushed and pulled by a
windows git via samba. git at some point complained about non existing
differences: Somehow line ending
Hi
I've tried to push a Mercurial test repository (FlightGear converted from
CVS) to code.google.com for a few hours, without success.
It aborts regularly with the following message:
searching for changes
abort: error: Connection timed out
After digging a bit, it looks like I stumbled on a known
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Tom P zomm...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
I've tried to push a Mercurial test repository (FlightGear converted from
CVS) to code.google.com for a few hours, without success.
It aborts regularly with the following message:
searching for changes
abort: error:
Hi,
Sorry for my late contribution to this topic: I am late catching up with
my mails since my last holidays.
Let me tell you from my personal experiences some weeks ago with git and
hg an linux and Windows.
Windows Implementations:
git can be tedious to use on Windows: I had big problems
Hi Olaf,
Olaf Flebbe wrote:
[...] I had no chance to look deeper into details. The stable git
command on Windows needs cygwin, which is not a minimal invasive
installation. (I wouldn't recommend the msys/mingw installation at this
point.)
People to whom I've talked happily recommended
Hi Martim,
People to whom I've talked happily recommended this one:
http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/
and I'd be happy to learn about your dislike.
1) From the Installation Manual:
http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/wiki/InstallMSysGit
...
Note: Git for Windows is not as stable as
Hi Olaf,
Olaf Flebbe wrote:
[...] this is not friendly for the casual user of some kind of
middleware when I have other options.
Well, they're providing installer packages and people are using it in
real-world development for a while already. Therefore I was under the
assumption that it's
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Stuart Buchanan
stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Tim Moore wrote:
On 09/02/2009 09:19 PM, Curtis Olson wrote:
Is this an argument to stay with CVS for the data portion of the project?
This is a good point to bring up though in advance. The default
Hi Curt et al.,
Well, I guess that most has been said already, but let me weight in with just
a few additional points. I also believe that it is time to move the
repositories over to a higher capacity and professionally maintained infra
structure. My experiences with google code are generally
Curtis Olson wrote:
[...] I really appreciate those that have responded
professionally. This really helps to advance this discussion in a positive
direction.
Now, if everyone involved also acts professionally, I'm sure we're
going to see a satisfying solution pretty soon.
Cheers,
On 09/03/2009 06:07 PM, Curtis Olson wrote:
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Tim Moore timo...@redhat.com
mailto:timo...@redhat.com wrote:
It would be a pity to move from CVS and end up with SVN, even
temporarily.
First, let's be clear that some other system means Git. Several
Hi,
I also believe that we should move away from CVS.
svn would have the benefit that it is very easy to use if you know cvs.
Distributes systems have their huge benefits. If that DVCS is git or hg is more
or less a matter of taste IMO.
The downside is that distributes systems are more
Think this page on creating a super project and having submodules is
a good read.
http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSubmoduleTutorial
;-)
Mathias Fröhlich wrote:
Hi,
I also believe that we should move away from CVS.
svn would have the benefit that it is very easy to use if you know cvs.
Hi Anders
Finally I found the time for a benchmark, and it turns out that a complete
clone of 'data', using a 1.5Mb/s link, takes more than 3 hours.
I think that if we switch to git, and if we expect the size of 'data' to
keep growing at a brisk pace (addition of great new aircrafts, fancy new
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Tom P wrote:
Hi Anders
How long does it take you to do a shallow clone from mapserver ?
While I've checked-out data via CVS various times in the past (and it takes
a couple of hours), I haven't been able to clone the 1.6GB fgdata
repository, I interrupted after a few
Hi Tom,
Tom P wrote:
But let's say that the project switched completely to GIT, would there
be a way to support streaming scenery ('terrasync') to the user without
him/her needing to clone the entire fgdata repository ?
Terrascenery is a totally independent affair and therefore not
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Tom Pzomm...@gmail.com wrote:
My only concern with SVN is that it stores every file twice in the local
file system, so it's not ideal for the 'data' portion of FlightGear. For
example, right now a complete checkout of Aircraft is ~ 2 GB, and it would
double
AJ MacLeod wrote:
With the data tree, we frequently have several people working on the same
area
(aircraft models, in particular) - not only that, but many of the people
working on aircraft models have historically not had any kind of commit
access to the main repository. The line
On Wednesday 02 September 2009 17:55:07 Curtis Olson wrote:
In addition, I am self hosting our master CVS repository which means that
if my machine breaks, I personally am on the hook to drop everything else
and do whatever it takes (ranging from hardware, to OS, to security, to
whatever
On 09/02/2009 05:55 PM, Curtis Olson wrote:
Source code control systems are close to religious topics for many
people so I want to avoid potential panic here. I understand that due
to the diversity of opinions within our developer community, it will be
impossible to reach any kind of
On 09/02/2009 09:19 PM, Curtis Olson wrote:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Tom P zomm...@gmail.com
mailto:zomm...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Curt
My only concern with SVN is that it stores every file twice in the
local file system, so it's not ideal for the 'data' portion of
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Tim Moore timo...@redhat.com wrote:
It is important to remember that, unlike a personal religious choice like
emacs vs. vi, the outcome of this religious debate will affect many
people's
daily interaction with Flightgear. In this way I suppose the debate is
Am new to flightgear, but read this thread, and for a tuppence worth (ducks)
have you looked at launchpad.net ?
thats got scm, bus tracker, teams, etc, etc
What is launchpad? https://launchpad.net/+tour/index
and that uses Bazaar scm
regards
Pete
Curtis Olson wrote:
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at
Am new to flightgear, but read this thread, and for a tuppence worth (ducks)
have you looked at launchpad.net ?
thats got scm, bus tracker, teams, etc, etc
What is launchpad? https://launchpad.net/+tour/index
and that uses Bazaar scm
regards
Pete
Fortunately, there are a lot of
Hi there,
First of all, I want to thank Curt for starting this discussion. I'm very glad
to hear that
you are willing to improve the current situation.
Aside from the religious aspect of choosing a version control software (or
whatever you name it),
I want to say what should or can be
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Anders Gidenstam wrote:
A user who isn't interested in the history can also make a shallow clone
with git which I would expect to be only very slightly larger than the
working copy itself, enabling the user to save disk space by
sacrificing functionality he/she isn't
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Anders Gidenstam
anders-...@gidenstam.orgwrote:
An update on the shallow clone:
git keeps a compressed pack of the data in addition to the working copy.
When cloning the current fgdata git repository from the map server with
depth 1 this overhead adds up to
Hi Anders
How long does it take you to do a shallow clone from mapserver ?
While I've checked-out data via CVS various times in the past (and it takes
a couple of hours), I haven't been able to clone the 1.6GB fgdata
repository, I interrupted after a few hours.
I'm on an 1.5 Mbps ADSL link, and
Curtis Olson wrote:
What I propose is that we migrate our self hosted CVS repository to
code.google.com and in the process convert to SVN.
1. This gives us professional management of the servers, regular
professional backups, and an automatec access control system for adding new
Hi Curt
My only concern with SVN is that it stores every file twice in the local
file system, so it's not ideal for the 'data' portion of FlightGear. For
example, right now a complete checkout of Aircraft is ~ 2 GB, and it
would double overnight.
I know, disk space is cheap in these days,
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Tom P zomm...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Curt
My only concern with SVN is that it stores every file twice in the local
file system, so it's not ideal for the 'data' portion of FlightGear. For
example, right now a complete checkout of Aircraft is ~ 2 GB, and it would
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Tom P zomm...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Curt
My only concern with SVN is that it stores every file twice in the local
file system, so it's not ideal for the 'data' portion of FlightGear. For
example, right now a complete checkout of Aircraft is ~ 2 GB, and it would
Curtis Olson wrote:
Is this an argument to stay with CVS for the data portion of the project?
I've been loosely monitoring the 'quality' of CVS checkouts for some
time now and to my experience the number of silent transmission errors
is most significant with the data repository. Therefore I
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Tom P zomm...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Curt
My only concern with SVN is that it stores every file twice in the local
file system, so it's not ideal for the 'data' portion of FlightGear. For
On Wednesday 02 September 2009 22:44:56 Tom P wrote:
Yes, I agree, a distributed system is overkill for the data portion.
I would disagree...
1) data is handled well by a lightweight client-server model (either CVS
or SVN) that:
- allows users and developers to synchronize their local data
Tom P wrote:
Well, it's more an argument in favor of splitting the data and source
code, like it's already the case for the Scenery
http://code.google.com/p/terrascenery/
Terrascenery is a somewhat special case in that it has almost just one
single, automated feed, it is destined to never
Hi,
In case it wasn't clear by now... I think we should be using git for both
source and data - as previously mentioned, many (if not most) FG developers
are already using it (though missing many benefits that would arise from the
main repo being git).
Cheers,
AJ
I can only agree to AJ-
Hi AJ, hi Martin
I see the advantages of GIT, no need to be convinced of that.
And I've had a look at the GIT projects on mapserver, very nice, and
it's already split into source and data!!!
But let's say that the project switched completely to GIT, would there
be a way to support streaming
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:17 AM, AJ
MacLeodaj-li...@adeptopensource.co.uk wrote:
In case it wasn't clear by now... I think we should be using git for both
source and data - as previously mentioned, many (if not most) FG developers
are already using it (though missing many benefits that would
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