Seeing the PA34 model is encouraging. David Megeson (sp) encouraged me
more than a year ago to model the Piper Comanche in fgfs when I posted
that I had just become 1/3 owner of a 1962 PA24-250 (poor mans Bonanza,
constant speed prop, retracts, 156 kt cruise). Last week I started
editing his
Torsten Dreyer wrote:
For using AC3D I got a lot of help from this page:
http://www.holycows.net/ac3d.html
Some downloadable videos showing the aircraft creating process.
When I click on any of the Modeling Tutorial rar links, I get sent to a
Network Solutions, This Site Under Construction
I will ask this question with a specific example.
I used David Meginson's pa28-161 as a guide and borrowed his 3d panel.
The Comanche needs a manifold pressure gage (constant speed prop). The
gage is the same size as the tach, so I edited the
.../Aircraft/Instruments-3d/tach/tach.jpeg,
I am still trying to add textures to the pa24-250 model for fgfs. I
have unfolded the ac3d file and saved a square screen capture as a
.png file. An outline of what I thought should be done follows:
1. open the png file in the gimp and scale to 512x512 pixels
2. outline the unfolded parts
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Jim Wilson wrote:
You might even want a larger texture.
Thanks for the suggestions.
I did rescale in the gimp to 1024x1024.
snip
If not check to make sure your opacity isn't zero, or your select feathering isn't on and a huge value
Curt Olson wrote:
Rosey red/white checkerboard usually means that the flightgear model
loader (via plib) couldn't find the texture. You might make sure that
the paths are correct, spelling is correct, case is correct, etc.
Where is the path to the texture specified? The path to pa24-250.ac
Eric Hofman wrote:
One thing to check (and double check) is that the textures really are
256x256 (and not 255x256 as has happened to me more than once).
Thanks to both Curt and Eric; that was it! I found it just before I
read Eric's note. I had scaled to 1024x1024 in gimp and never checked
also checked out Chicago, Battle Creek/Kalamazo, MI, and the Des
Moines, IA areas. All look good. The Des Moines area is very much
improved with the missed elevation area West of Des Moines fixed.
Realistic VFR is much improved with this new scenery.
Thanks to Curt and others involved!
Dave
Thanks to Erik Hofman and David Megginson for putting the original model
and two sets of patches into cvs.
This was my first attempt at adding a model to fgfs and I learned a
lot by browsing other aircraft, especially the pa28-161 and the dh2.
Some things that are done in this model that may
that do not have a 24 volt
electrical system.
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2. At manifold pressures below 20 in hg, the AC has much too much power
compared to the real AC. I normally use 16 in of manifold pressure in
procedure turns and then with the gear down and 15 deg. of flaps, the
descent and airspeed fall in place at the outer marker.
conditions, but I thought
that min and max would do this also.
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When I did the dual nav for the pa24-250, I created a vor2.xml that
could be eliminated by using params and property alias. If I edit
vor.xml and use params and property alias to specify which nav in the
calling model, and remove vor2.xml, will I break any models. I will
make the small
/SimGear to try and include the type of units in the property names when they are known (e.g. -ft,
-m, -deg). It is easy to forget though, when playing with animations.
Jim, Thanks! Adding -deg to the tags fixed the problem.
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animations.
Can any of you spot the problem?
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I would like to add a voltage check before moving the flaps or landing
gear in data/Nasal/controls.nas. The proposed changes are underlined.
flapsDown = func {
if(arg[0] == 0) { return; }
_if(getprop(/systems/electrical/outputs/flaps) 8.0) {return; }
# Dave Perry added a check
AJ MacLeod wrote:
On Sunday 05 March 2006 00:41, Dave Perry wrote:
I would like to add a voltage check before moving the flaps or landing
gear in data/Nasal/controls.nas. The proposed changes are underlined.
snipped proposed new flapsDown etc
Since the pa24-250 configs and nasal
was also off-list;
perhaps I should have copied you. If he is satisfied with my
explanation(s), no need.
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* Dave Perry -- Sunday 12 March 2006 04:20:
By the way, Melchior FRANZ sent me a note off-list [... report ...]
My response was also off-list; perhaps I should have copied you.
If he is satisfied with my explanation(s),
No he isn't. But he doesn't like when
one!)
Thanks for the interest! This is what is great about open source.
As another Dave says,
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more visible as you retard the
throttle on base. Once you have full flaps, and increase the MP to 16
in to control the descent, the disc again disappears until you pull the
throttle for the flare out. Very realistic!
I will submit the patch tomorrow evening.
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mixture control. Since I live in Colorado and my base
airport is over 5000 ft MSL, I use it every run-up.
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in the
FGShortRef in the Doc folder tab 3, you will find P Toggle
instrument panel on/off. The same happens in all the other AC I tried
(c172p, pa28-161, and others) with the exception that in some cases the
set.xml files assign their own 2D pannel (e.g. f16-3d).
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with the Saitek joystick with my notebook, so others may want to use the
same features with the MS joystick. Here is the edited file for the MS
joystick. I others like it better than the one in CVS, it should be put
in CVS.
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?xml version=1.0?
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I have had lock-ups on longer X-C flights with the pa24-250 recently
that could be from a memory leak. So I used the system monitor to check
on VM growth. The only 2D pannel used in the pa24-250 is the radio
stack. So I tried commenting out various components of the radio stack
in the file
, if you add this to the
radio-panel.xml file, it will hide the dme which I moved to y295/y
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:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin
in my .bashrc for both accounts.
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that did not work with the
launcher. Such js calibration instructions could be added to this file
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error. Checked several YASim AC, all
loaded.
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option.
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My first solo was in a Cessna 150 8/7/1962 at a rural Iowa airport with
1 runway that was so narrow we called it the sidewalk. Now almost 2000
hours later, I still remember that day in terms similar to your
description.
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On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 21:17 -0600, Curtis Olson wrote:
This is just from experince with other libs, but usually there is a
libxyz (for runtime libs only) and then a matchin libxyz-devel which
includes the headers and static versions of the libs.
libgif-devel?
Thanks Curt,
After a yum
/Airports'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/FlightGear-0.9/source/src'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
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Did a search on jpgfactory in the developers list. The only hit since
August was a patch from Melchior Franz on 10/24/06, but I don't see ho
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like the smooth performance.
Thanks Mathias for all the work!
Looking forward to new features OSG allows.
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are submitted with this in place so the issue is settled.
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aircraft looks as in fgfs plib. I hope this difference can be improved.
I looked at other aircraft. Straight lines in textures look worse in
OSG so far.
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Should we be updating OSG source from CVS now or are the most recent
updates still coming out in tar balls?
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On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 22:51 -0500, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote:
On Thursday 23 November 2006 10:19, Dave Perry wrote:
The required computation was done in Nasal. It include solving the
nonlinear equation
(H - C)/2L = sin(phi - theta)
hmm... nonlinear equation? Wouldn't Law
I saw a note about a week ago concerning this issue. Under osg cvs, for
both the c172p with 3d panel and the pa24-250, the radios show through
the wings, tail, gear, but not the fuselage. This does not happen under
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course inbound heading while the HDG
annunciator is flashing. The modeled KAP140 requires the HDG bug to be
set to the reverse heading (the reciprocal of the documentation bug
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For whatever reason, the KAP140 gives more realistic performance in the
pa24 than in the c172p. I did not include an autopilot config xml in
the pa24 implementation, i.e. it is using the default configuration.
Correction: I am using
: With rare exceptions, locations are specified using the
bearing /from/ the reference.
since radial have to do with location, not heading.
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. The inbound statement should
communicate your approximate magnetic course, but since you have
reported two totally contradictory positions, your course is unknown
from this report. The controller should ask for clarification.
Happy New Year and please close this flight plan,
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while still flying the AC with the yoke. Many of us use
fgfs to practice instrument approaches. As has been pointed out before,
we will start to tune, scan and correct, tune some more, scan and
correct. This requires one handed tuning, switch toggeling, etc.
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the problem was.
So for both the horn and the gear locked down green light, I am checking
all the gear (in the fgfs model).
I still have to submit the patch with the gear and stall warning
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near the intercept,
you click on APR and while the HDG is flashing, moved the hdg bug to the
LOC mag heading?
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apr_arm_from_rol change:
-setprop(Locks, roll-arm, gs-arm);
+setprop(Locks, pitch-arm, gs-arm);
with the OSG head.
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The altitude capture still works but the HDG, APR, and NAV do nothing
except wing level. Turning the HI heading bug has no affect. The locks
are updating in the property list.
Are others seeing this behavior?
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only one call of pow (i.e. exp and ln)
I will send you the working kap140.nas with these changes off-list. It
is working well here.
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where kap140.nas belongs, I
will move it on my system and recheck that all 6 AC work and resubmit
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designed so the cannard stalls first.
This is true for your model of the j7w also.
I moved the x coordinate of the main gear aft for the duration of this
experiment to assure the AC sat with the nose gear on the ground as I
moved the CG back and forth. Give this config a try.
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On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 12:47 -0800, Tatsuhiro Nishioka wrote:
Dave,
On Feb 5, 2007, at 8:35 PM, Dave Perry wrote:
I made
an estimate from the 3D model as to approximately where the CG should
be. The main wing should carry most of the weight, so since the
wing is
swept, I tried
these,
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, these files needed to be updated also to
use bool variables.
2. Dave Perry had added logic to the original kap140.nas file to check
for autopilot power so that the KAP140 would respond correctly to the
master switch and the avionics master switch in the pa24-250.
3. It was decided via list discussion
On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 07:09 -0700, Dave Perry wrote:
Related File locations:
Aircraft/Generic/kap140.nas -- KAP140 logic engine
Aircraft/Instruments/KAP140TwoAxis.xml and
Aircraft/Instruments/KAP140TwoAxisAlt.xml -- 2d KAP140 Instruments
. If it is there, my
changes are not causing this problem.
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that the the target altitude differs from
the altimeter display even when the baro setting and the altimeter
setting agree.
Have you looked for bugs?
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On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 08:02 -0700, Dave Perry wrote:
Have you looked for bugs?
I just looked at altimeter.cxx and altimeter.hxx. The
indicated-altitude-ft is the result of a LowPass (taking into account
the last altitude) of an iterpolation of a table created from an array
in altimeter.cxx. I
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 13:42 -0500, John Denker wrote:
On 02/11/2007 10:02 AM, Dave Perry wrote:
So the altimeter setting is the same thing as the mean-sea-level
barometric pressure.
Huh? That does not follow at all. The quoted passage does not
say that at all.
Your own paper implies
On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 14:35 -0500, John Denker wrote:
On 02/10/2007 09:48 AM, Dave Perry wrote:
On my system, I have the following running:
1. Moved the pa24 radio stack to Aircraft/Instruments-3d/, along with
the required changes to the pa24-250.
[etc.]
Yes, that's a good move
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 01:41 -0500, John Denker wrote:
On 02/11/2007 11:29 PM, Dave Perry wrote:
By the way, I agree that the current algorithm in altimeter.cxx is
wrong. This evening, I had time to look at your posted patch and I
think it would give the right hi.
It is, for now
in
this case?
I am glad you changed your mind! When will you put this in cvs?
Regards,
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On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 11:33 -0500, John Denker wrote:
Overnight I thought of a non-disgusting way to optimize
the code. A new, muuuch better patch is now at:
http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/altimeter.diff
The new patch gets
Hi John,
Thanks for answering my questions. I did not realize the interpolation
table was for the first three layers.
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 21:18 -0500, John Denker wrote:
The tabulated numbers come from a three-layer model, namely
layers 0 through 2 as defined in the table at the front
On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 12:22 -0500, John Denker wrote:
On 02/12/2007 08:43 PM, Dave Perry wrote:
What I am proposing is to create a C++ function (say height_ft) that has
two arguments, P0 and P1 that does the interpolation in John's new patch
using his constants.
Then the kap140.nas
On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 18:02 -0700, Dave Perry wrote:
I am not sure the new patch is giving the
same results, but I have not done any controlled comparisons;... I will
double check and compare some examples with the previous patch.
I was wrong. Both are giving the same results, much
for a switch.
Melchior,
Please rename Aircraft/Instruments-3d/mag.sw to
Aircraft/Instruments-3d/magneto-switch
and apply the attached patch, both in cvs.
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? Instruments-3d/magneto-switch
? j7w/j7w.xml.dp
Index: pa24-250/Models/pa24-250.xml
. Is the encoder
used anywhere other than by the KAP140? If so, we should use a separate
instantiation as suggested by John.
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On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 01:55 -0500, John Denker wrote:
On 02/25/2007 12:30 AM, Dave Perry wrote:
I have been communicating off and on with both John Denker and Roy
Vegard Ovesen off list concerning this topic. I am running an edit of
John's most recent altimetry patch and have modified
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 06:39 -0700, Dave Perry wrote:
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 01:55 -0500, John Denker wrote:
On 02/25/2007 12:30 AM, Dave Perry wrote:
The altitude capture in the current cvs kap140.nas used
altFt = pressureAltitude + hpartial * (baroSetting - 29.92
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On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 15:14 -0500, John Denker wrote:
On 02/25/2007 02:39 PM, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote:
I have not, and I don't think Dave Perry has either, expressed optinions to
indicate that the pressure altitude should not be quantized. What we have
said is that indicated altitude
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 16:19 -0700, Dave Perry wrote:
What is contested is how to model the baro shift. What you suggest is
retrieve the indicated altitude and then subtract the PA to get the
encoder baro shift and then add back in the PA. This means the
kap140.nas has to retrieve the value
On 2/12 Dave Perry wrote:
It occurred to me that we should use John's interpolation function in
several other places:
1. We use a form of this function in kap140.nas without the efficiency
of the interpolation.
2. The encoder uses a similar interpolation that a general form
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are
really serious about putting this in cvs. The options are of course
with and without the 2 lines of code to save the kollsman shift.
After sharing this analysis with the list, I will go with what the
community sees as the best option.
Comments from others?
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On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 19:07 -0700, Dave Perry wrote:
Sorry,
I copied from the wrong version. I will add the missing line and delete
a declaration:
Here is an obvious fix for this bug in the update code:
void
Altimeter::update (double dt)
{
if (_serviceable_node-getBoolValue
against cvs and let others test them
before submitting both to cvs. I am attaching a tar.gz patch against cvs
for what I am presently running so others can try it. It includes the
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Quick response with a few factual corrections:
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 00:56 -0500, John Denker wrote:
On 03/01/2007 08:02 PM, Dave Perry wrote:
there are only 3 options still being put forward; all having to
do with how the kap140 gets the baro shift. These are:
1
I get the following compile error well into the OSG compile on my just
installed FC6.
Entering directory freetype
make[3]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/source-osg/OpenSceneGraph/src/osgPlugins/freetype'
make[4]: Entering directory
On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 01:19 -0500, Laurence Vanek wrote:
Dave Perry wrote:
I get the following compile error well into the OSG compile on my just
installed FC6.
Entering directory freetype
make[3]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/source-osg/OpenSceneGraph/src/osgPlugins/freetype
With either the current fc6 fltk and fltk-devel installed (version
1.1.7-2) and fgrun-0.4.8 compiled from from tar ball, both the screen to
select AC and the screen to select the airport are blank.
I tried removing both fltk and fltk-devel rpms and compiling fltk-1.1.7
(from tarball) with
On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 08:48 -0500, Curtis Olson wrote:
Did you carry over your osg compile tree from a previous install of
linux? Perhaps there is some bits and pieces left over from the way
your previous system was structured.
That was it. Thanks!
A clean checkout from svn solved it.
Dave
On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 22:36 +0100, _hj_ wrote:
Dave Perry wrote:
I tried removing both fltk and fltk-devel rpms and compiling fltk-1.1.7
(from tarball) with
./configure --enable-shared --enable-threads
You have to add --disable-largefile to the configure line in fltk.
Hans
Thanks
Hi all,
Does anyone know what happened to John Denker? I am still interested in
the improved altimeter/atmosphere model being added to FlightGear. I
keep adding these back in after cvs/svn updates.
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On Sat, 2007-03-24 at 12:33 -0400, John Denker wrote:
On 03/23/2007 11:01 PM, Dave Perry wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to John Denker?
Secondly, if he actually cared about my well-being, he would
talk *to* me rather than talking *about* me on this list.
This is not about you
I get the following trying to update data.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ cd $FG_ROOT
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Password:
cvs [update aborted]: error writing to server: Connection reset by peer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] data]$
Tried last evening and again this morning with the same
On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 08:31 +0100, Melchior FRANZ wrote:
* Dave Perry -- Saturday 03 March 2007:
Have you asked to have atmo.diff applied to cvs?.
I don't think it can be applied as it is. I'm no physicist and
can't comment on the logic, but there are some formal aspects
to fix IMHO
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 21:57 -0600, Ron Jensen wrote:
Dave,
I've been running John's code for a while now and have not noticed any
problems with it. I compiled with your patch this morning but have not
had a chance to fly it yet.
One change I would like see from a neatness point of view:
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 11:17 -0500, Curtis Olson wrote:
Here's a question for the group. We don't need to decide now, but we
need to figure this out before the final official 0.9.11 release.
Currently the data package is released with only a subset of all the
available aircraft:
After update of simgear, source, and data using
cvs up -Pd -rPRE_OSG_PLIB_20061029
for each update, I am getting the error when I run fgfs:
Unknown top level section: wxradar
Fatal error: Detected an internal inconsistency in the instrumentation
system specification file. See earlier errors for
On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 01:26 +0200, Csaba Halász wrote:
On 7/11/07, Dave Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After update of simgear, source, and data using
cvs up -Pd -rPRE_OSG_PLIB_20061029
for each update, I am getting the error when I run fgfs:
Unknown top level section: wxradar
Fatal
I submitted 3 patches via Melchior today.
pa28-161 update
Last year after I completed the pa24, David Megginson sent me all the
detail pictures he had taken of his Piper Warrior II and indicated that
I should finish up the details on the pa28-161 in FlightGear. I spent
the last three weeks,
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