Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-02 Thread Robert Black
On Saturday 01 December 2007 02:38:13 pm alexis bory wrote: Heiko Schulz wrote: But we havn't found a number yet- so how should we find the right name? Alexis Identifying the versions as stable testing and unstable might not be a bad idea. It tells people that active development is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-02 Thread Christian Mayer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Robert Black schrieb: On Saturday 01 December 2007 02:38:13 pm alexis bory wrote: Heiko Schulz wrote: But we havn't found a number yet- so how should we find the right name? Alexis Identifying the versions as stable testing and unstable

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
n Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:24:06 +0100 (CET), Heiko wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --- alexis bory [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: And as first name we should take Wright- the first pilot an an aircraft OK, but let's call 0.9.11pre2 == Clement Ader !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread Sébastien MARQUE
Hi, I'm not a developer, but I can see from the time I began to use FG the great work that have been done. My thought is that instead of the only use of numbers to count the FG versions, maybe this could be named using great historic aviators names like Guynemer, Yeager, Mermoz, St-Exupery,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread Tim Moore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sébastien MARQUE wrote: Hi, I'm not a developer, but I can see from the time I began to use FG the great work that have been done. My thought is that instead of the only use of numbers to count the FG versions, maybe this could be named using

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread Jon Stockill
Tim Moore wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sébastien MARQUE wrote: Hi, I'm not a developer, but I can see from the time I began to use FG the great work that have been done. My thought is that instead of the only use of numbers to count the FG versions, maybe this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Saturday 01 December 2007 17:23:41 Tim Moore wrote: This is the best idea yet in this thread. Though I like it in many respects, from a practical point of view it does make it very difficult to keep track of which version comes where in release order... with other software that uses this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread Hans Fugal
If I had loved ones invovled in 9/11, *I* would not want everyone walking around on eggshells at every possible combination of the numbers 9 and 11. I think it's disrespectful. So I vote for 0.9.11 if that makes sense technically. However, 0.10.0 sounds good too. I think 1.0 would backfire. On

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Pigeon -- Saturday 01 December 2007: Just a crazy random thought, perhaps, like many other software we could add a codename for each release. It could be a just-for-fun thing, I think this has stopped being funny a few days after it was done the first time. I find such names silly and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread Willie Fleming
On Saturday 01 December 2007 18:02:58 Jon Stockill wrote: Trubshaw :-) Farley with the added advantage that the great man is still around, we'd need to ask his permission to use his name, and the only way I know to get hold of him is through the Flight Testing forum on www.pprune.org. If

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, Great idea! We really should do this! And as first name we should take Wright- the first pilot an an aircraft Regards HHS --- Tim Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sébastien MARQUE wrote: Hi, I'm not a developer, but I can see from

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread Willie Fleming
On Saturday 01 December 2007 19:41:31 Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, Great idea! We really should do this! And as first name we should take Wright- the first pilot an an aircraft Err - the Brazilians would have you believe Santos-Dumont had that honour and there is circumstantial evidence for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread Curtis Olson
On Dec 1, 2007 12:16 PM, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Pigeon -- Saturday 01 December 2007: Just a crazy random thought, perhaps, like many other software we could add a codename for each release. It could be a just-for-fun thing, I think this has stopped being funny a few days after it was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread Jon Stockill
Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, Great idea! We really should do this! And as first name we should take Wright- the first pilot an an aircraft *cough* Cayley Jon - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread Heiko Schulz
--- alexis bory [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: And as first name we should take Wright- the first pilot an an aircraft OK, but let's call 0.9.11pre2 == Clement Ader ! Alexis Gustav Weisskopf! To be serious - nice idea, but not very practicable. Mabye as add-on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread alexis bory
Heiko Schulz wrote: And as first name we should take Wright- the first pilot an an aircraft OK, but let's call 0.9.11pre2 == Clement Ader ! Alexis - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-12-01 Thread alexis bory
Heiko Schulz wrote: But we havn't found a number yet- so how should we find the right name? Are we really looking for a consensus ? or just having fun ? And I really don't care that much about numbers or names... I just hope we wont choose to add names, it would introduce far too many

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Heiko Schulz
Never ever had this problems have you look at your hardware? --- AnMaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 FlightGear (both plib and osg) currently has a lot of odd bugs, most of them seems like race conditions to me, they are very hard to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Durk Talsma
On Friday 30 November 2007 16:29, Curtis Olson wrote: How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. [SNIP] off-thread-note I wish one would get as many replies to technical inquiries on this list, as what

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Christian Mayer wrote: Curtis Olson schrieb: How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. The odd/even numbering scheme doesn't really work for us (did

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Pigeon
We already have a 0.9.11-pre1 release, so I don't see a problem with going with 0.9.11. At the same time, I imagine to some people 0.9.12 *might* also make sense. To those unfortunate ones, I imagine just by looking at a plane or a flight sim might be hard enough. I seriously think a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Christian Mayer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Curtis Olson schrieb: How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. The odd/even numbering scheme doesn't really work for us (did anyone ever backport

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I agree, 0.9.11 or 0.9.90 may be acceptable. Melchior FRANZ wrote: For me the following solutions are acceptable: 0.9.11 ... as the logical successor 0.9.90 ... making clear that we are now really close to 1.0 and that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread John Denker
On 11/30/2007 02:36 PM, Durk Talsma wrote: off-thread-note I wish one would get as many replies to technical inquiries on this list, as what I'm seeing right here /off-thread-note Henry Kissinger said that academic debates are particularly vicious because there is so little at stake. Could

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Curtis Olson
On Nov 30, 2007 1:36 PM, Durk Talsma wrote: Having given the issue some thought, I also vote for 1.0. Here's my reasoning: The current version is pretty much the culmination of our plib based development tree. With regard to plib, and in particular SSG, we're approaching the limits of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Heiko Schulz
I mean your input hardware like joystick, keyboard --- AnMaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Heiko Schulz wrote: Never ever had this problems have you look at your hardware? I had the problems I listed on several computers, both

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Norman Vine
Arnt Karlsen writes: Are we a bunch of old cranky developers (it looks that way sometimes!) :-) ..delurking... ;o) :-) .. ;o) GPL sea floor map data, anyone? http://topex.ucsd.edu/WWW_html/mar_topo.html http://www.shadedrelief.com/cleantopo2/index.html Recloaking Norman

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:29:05 -0600, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are we a bunch of old cranky developers (it looks that way sometimes!) :-) ..delurking... ;o) inching along at a snails pace, or are we a dynamic exciting group with fast paced development continually adding new

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Heiko Schulz
Never ever had this problems have you look at your hardware? --- AnMaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 FlightGear (both plib and osg) currently has a lot of odd bugs, most of them seems like race conditions to me, they are very hard to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Thomas Förster
Am Freitag 30 November 2007 schrieb Curtis Olson: ...[lots of version number discussion]... I say it's go time. :-) If it comes down to marketing and a reasonable version number scheme (i.e. one that correlates with the major feature development), why not skip 1.0 altogether. v1.0 has that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Thomas
On Nov 30, 2007 9:29 AM, Curtis Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. I say it's go time. :-) Curt. -- When the worst of the 'stuttering' problem was resolved,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Lee Duke
12.7.1941 is a good number to avoid as well. Curtis Olson wrote: How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. I don't intend to slant the discussion, but here is what I'm thinking. 0.9.11 is the next in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Berndt, Jon S
V1.0 Jon - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future.

[Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Curtis Olson
How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. I don't intend to slant the discussion, but here is what I'm thinking. 0.9.11 is the next in the logical sequence. But I'd like to avoid possible unintended

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Heiko Schulz wrote: I mean your input hardware like joystick, keyboard They work correct yes and I did check them + they worked in other programs. (Oh and I used different input devices one the different computers, one was a laptop)...

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread alexis bory
Stuart Buchanan a e'crit : I'd also much rather have the final plib release be v1.0 rather than the first OSG release. good point ! - having a 0.9.11 is not such a big deal. - the lake of lights is a concern but waiting for this for a 1.0 doesn't have such sense. I vote v-1.0 because it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Torsten Dreyer
How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. Technically: 0.9.11 because it's a big step ahead, not a giant leap Personal feeling: 0.10.0 with respect to 9/11 Marketing: Make it 0.10.0 and strip the leading

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Curtis Olson wrote: How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. I'd suggest 1.0.0 for the next plib release and 1.1.0 for the first OSG release. It'd even make sense to people used

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SydSandy wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:05:10 -0500 John Denker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c) How 'bout we chip in and buy Curt a magic 8-ball, and base the decision on that? I personally think we should skip the 0.9.11 , but I think

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Melchior FRANZ
For me the following solutions are acceptable: 0.9.11 ... as the logical successor 0.9.90 ... making clear that we are now really close to 1.0 and that there won't be many releases until then, if any at all (This was done in other projects as well.) 1.0 ...

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Heiko Schulz wrote: Never ever had this problems have you look at your hardware? I had the problems I listed on several computers, both single- and multi-cpu. /AnMaster -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Vivian Meazza
November 2007 15:29 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. I don't intend to slant the discussion, but here

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread John Wojnaroski
Curtis Olson wrote: I say it's go time. :-) Curt. I say go with 0.9.11. And for those worried about that number, work extra hard updating/improving the code so we can then quickly move to 0.9.12 :-) Or better still, start a new versioning system with OSG. JW

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 0.9.11 or 0.10, there are too may problems and missing features to call it 1.0 IMO. Regards AnMaster Curtis Olson wrote: How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Heiko Schulz
Upps... I meant 0.9.90 --- Curtis Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Nov 30, 2007 9:32 AM, Heiko Schulz wrote: This release: 0.9.9 Unfortunately we have already done a 0.9.9 release and a 0.9.10 release. Next Release which will be (hopefully) OSG: 1.0 Yes, or maybe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Berndt, Jon S
Actually, it might be closer to v5.0 by now. - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, My vote: This release: 0.9.9 Next Release which will be (hopefully) OSG: 1.0 Regards HHS --- Curtis Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. I don't intend

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Curtis Olson
On Nov 30, 2007 9:32 AM, Heiko Schulz wrote: This release: 0.9.9 Unfortunately we have already done a 0.9.9 release and a 0.9.10 release. Next Release which will be (hopefully) OSG: 1.0 Yes, or maybe OSG: 2.0 Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ Unique text:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Stuart Buchanan
--- Curtis Olson wrote: How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. Let's go with v1.0. It is a great way to recognise the massive amount of work that has been done since 0.9.10. We've been talking about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Vivian Meazza wrote: I think that the juxtaposition of 9.11 and Flight Simulator would be unfortunate, to say the least. I'm not sure how strongly I feel about that personally, but I recognise that there are those, particularly the other side

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 FlightGear (both plib and osg) currently has a lot of odd bugs, most of them seems like race conditions to me, they are very hard to reproduce. Nothing puts off users more than unreproducible bugs in my experience. Some example: * Sometimes when

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread gerard robin
On ven 30 novembre 2007, Thomas Förster wrote: Am Freitag 30 November 2007 schrieb Curtis Olson: ...[lots of version number discussion]... I say it's go time. :-) If it comes down to marketing and a reasonable version number scheme (i.e. one that correlates with the major feature

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread SydSandy
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:05:10 -0500 John Denker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c) How 'bout we chip in and buy Curt a magic 8-ball, and base the decision on that? I personally think we should skip the 0.9.11 , but I think the above is the best suggestion yet :). Or a pair of dice :)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Informal version number poll

2007-11-30 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Friday 30 November 2007, Curtis Olson wrote: How about a quick, friendly, positive, informal thread here to do a poll on what what folks are thinking for the next version number. 1.0 But I allso like the way Ubuntu does it: yy.mm It's simple, informative, and there is no mind games