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It is not up yet. I have asked the people doing it for status and have not
yet received a reply.
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TCG (Storage Working Group) is starting to hold meetings to discuss
interactions between TCG features and
interface (e.g. ATA and SCSI) commands and features. The first two are:
December1, 2006
December 15, 2006
If you already are a
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The T13 October 2006 plenary #61 is over.
Here are some docs presented today for posting.
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06122r9-ATA8-ACS_Open_Issues_List.pdf
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06126r1c_ATA8-ACS_NOP_clarifications%20with%20meeting%20comments.pdf
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I have posted these docs that were updated during today's plenary session:
http://t13.org/docs2006/e05179r8-ACS-SecurityClarifications.pdf
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06102r2-Device_statistics.pdf
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I just posted these additional docs that arrived before yesterday's
deadline.
Please review these before the October plenary.
http://t13.org/docs2006/eang61r2-Agenda_61.pdf
http://t13.org/docs2006/e03124r9-HPA_State_Diagram_and_Description.doc
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The following docs have just been posted to the T13 website for discussion
at the October plenary in Sunnyvale:
http://t13.org/docs2006/e05179r7-ACS-SecurityClarifications.doc
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06019r0-Request_to_CFA_for_Resource_Release.pdf
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Just a friendly reminder that the 2-week document deadline for the October
plenary is end of day Monday Oct. 9
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Excellent !!!
Please make sure you send the meeting notice to me ahead of time,
and I will also post it to the website under 'Meetings'.
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Hey, all of you out there in T13-Land - - -
I just posted the minutes from the August 2006 plenary.
http://t13.org/docs/docs2006/e06-157r0_August_Minutes.pdf
Also, I've done some other updates
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voice:
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The minutes of Free Fall ad hoc meeting have been posted
Please let me know if I did not record things correctly.
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06155r0-FreeFall_AdHoc_Minutes_081706.pdf
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WEBEX MEETING NUMBER: 828 169 958
PASSWORD: t13t13
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Just a friendly reminder. The 2 week deadline for docs is today.
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Please see this new proposal posted to the T13 website.
This is for discussion at the August T13 meeting in Redmond, WA.
Additional SCT temperature statistics
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06152r0-Additional_SCT_Temperature_Statistics.pdf
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From one of our engineers:
From my dealing with MS, they intend Minimum High-Power Time to be the
minimum time the drive should stay spinning if it was forced to spinup to
service a read or write while in NVC low power mode. My understanding is
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There are two very good reasons for putting the NV cache on the disk,
itself:
- power consumption
- separation of data
--
Power consumption by rotating media is greater than that of the computer
and it makes sense to make it
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The meeting notice for Samsung's Free Fall Features discussion has been
posted.
It also includes the WebEx information.
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06151r0-Free_Fall_Feature_meeting_notice.txt
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'flush cache' just needs to make sure that data has been flushed from any
volatile location to non-volatile.
If the drive is not spinning, 'flush cache' should not be required to copy
the data
from non-volatile cache to rotating media. That would negate
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I fixed the link 15 minutes ago. you just missed it. please try again.
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IDLE IMMEDIATE UNLOAD should not require media spinup.
Curtis: Is there some specific wording change you want to suggest ?
Do you want a document number ? or just put it in the 'open issues'
list ?
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hatfield See my responses below
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Starting time: 2:00 pm, Mountain Daylight Time (GMT -06:00, Denver)
Duration: 1 hour
Meeting number: 821 407 228
Meeting password: t13security
Teleconference: Toll free 1-888-422-7124
Participant code 158504
Host: Jim Hatfield
Host's email
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This is just a friendly reminder that (today) Monday June 5 is the 2 week
deadline for
posting proposals before the June meeting (that a vote is desired for).
Any docs that I receive before 5:00pm (MDT) will be posted that day.
Proposals received
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This is just a friendly reminder that Monday June 5 is the 2 week
deadline for
posting proposals before the June meeting (that a vote is desired for).
Any docs that I receive before 5:00pm (MDT) that day will be posted that
day.
Proposals received
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The answer to your question is:
The mechanism to change this value is device vendor-specific.
The vendor may fix it for all devices, or may have some special
configuration utility or a vendor-specific command or whatever it
chooses.
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The announcement has been posted to the website also.
http://t13.org/docs2006/epmt59r0_June_2006_meeting_announcement.txt
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I notice that you mention the Removeable Media feature set.
You may have missed the notice in the minutes of the April 2006 plenary
meeting
that this feature set was 'obsoleted' for ATA8-ACS.
This means that support for the feature set will be frozen as
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The Minutes of April 2006 meeting have been posted
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06132r0_April_Minutes.pdf
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Dan Colegrove sent me an update to the agenda for this week's meeting.
It has been posted to the website:
http://t13.org/docs2006/eang58r2-Agenda_58.pdf
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Please see the TCG Liaison report that I just posted to the website:
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06129r0-TCG_Liaison_Report_to_T13.pdf
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Last time I checked, the ATA standard did not mention supporting
a host that only performs 16-bit register accesses.
There IS mention of support for CFA where the DATA register is only
8-bits
but no mention of a 16-bit-only host interface.
Thank
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Shouldn't a '16-bit-only' host interface be documented somewhere
if support is to be provided ?
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These docs have just been posted to the T13 website.
Please review these and be prepared to discuss them at the April 18
meeting.
http://t13.org/docs2006/e05179r3-ACS-SecurityClarifications.pdf
.
d97142r1-regen.pdf
--
Rob Elliott, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hewlett-Packard Industry Standard Server Storage Advanced Technology
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On March 30, 2006 a webex teleconf was held to discuss
http://t13.org/docs2006/e05179r2-ACS-SecurityClarifications.pdf
The following people attended
- Jim Hatfield (host) Seagate
- Peter Ddinh Marvell
A revised document (rev 3) will be
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Reminder: ATA Security Clarifications meeting tomorrow
Here is a copy of the meeting announcement.
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06120r0-AdHocMeeting_Security_Clarifications_part_2.txt
We will resume reviewing e05179r2 , starting at section 1.2
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Today we held a web conference to discuss
http://t13.org/docs2006/e05179r1-ACS-SecurityClarifications.pdf
These people attended
Dan Colegrove HGST
Pete Dinh Marvell
Thong PhamMarvell
Nathan ObrMicrosoft
Joseph Chen
You are invited to join a meeting on the Web, using WebEx.
Topic: T13 ATA Security Clarifications
Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2006
Time: 2:00 pm, Mountain Standard Time (GMT -07:00, Denver)
Duration: 4 hours
WebEx meeting number: 821 153 394
WebEx Meeting password: ata4me
Teleconference: Toll
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Please see the T13 website for a new doc that I posted this morning.
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06114r0-ACS-Free_Fall_FeatureSet.pdf
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The results of the 2 letter ballots have been posted.
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06008r0-ATA-7-Amendment-1_Vote_Summary.pdf
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06009r0-WWN_Proposal_Vote_Summary.pdf
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I did not receive this document from you.
T13 related Patents Disclosure by M-Systems
What would you like me to do with it if it shows up later ?
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This is a friendly reminder that the 2 week rule time limit is coming up
soon:
end of day Monday Feb. 6
Any docs received by me as of 4 PM (Mountain Time) that day will be posted
that day.
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To all Earthlings in Spaceship T13: Greetings!!!
I just posted a new proposal to the T13 website to address the concerns
expressed
at the last few meetings about SMART attributes.
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06102r0-Device_statistics.pdf
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Please see this new doc posted to the T13 website (2006 docs)
e06101r0 - TCG Use Case FAQ
http://t13.org/docs2006/e06101r0_TCG_Storage_Use_Case_FAQ_v1.pdf
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Also,
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T13's Chair (Dan Colegrove) has passed management of the website to me (Jim
Hatfield, Vice Chair).
Please send any files to be posted to me at
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I have update the website. Please hit your 'Reload' or 'Refresh' button.
Changes:
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While reviewing this, I noticed that the summary is missing some items
* the HSE bit has been made obsolete
In addition, if the streaming performance log is obsoleted, we also have
to obsolete the 'delayed lba log', because it's only reference is from
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OOPS - - section 7.1.5 appears to answer the question unambiguously
-- my bad -- sorry for the waste of bandwidth
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and more to your specific point, in the T13 meeting tomorrow (oct 19) we
will be discussing
my proposal to begin the process of documenting and having T13 take control
of
standardizing attributes.
please see
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I had privately responded to Karen Zelenko, making some of the same
comments.
I asked him to double-check my comments and to make a new revision (if
possible)
for the next meeting.
I will post Seagate's comments later today.
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Before the October 18 meeting, please review this proposal posted
yesterday.
Proposal for a new informative annex describing some of the things about
SMART attributes
http://t13.org/docs2005/e05148r0-ACS-SMARTAttributesAnnex.pdf
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I'm resending this, because there have been no responses on the reflector.
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Edi Fraiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/17/2005 11:44:45 PM:
I am HW Engineer in M-Systems.
I have next
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I think we should be VERY CAUTIOUS about talking about removing or
obsoleting or redefining ANY of these bits.
---
(word 128, bit 0) was intended to be a copy of (word 82, bit 1)
(word 128, bit 1) was intended to be a
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However, I have a problem with the determinism of the second statement,
i.e., if a drive comes up with W82/b1=1 AND W85/b1=0, you can never issue
SECURITY SET PASSWORD or SECURITY DISABLE PASSWORD (they are part of the
Security Mode feature set). So
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This is just a friendly reminder that the end of today is the 2 week deadline for new proposals.
Please send Dan everything you want posted.
See you all on Aug 23 !!!
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Jim
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There was a report of the reflector being broken. This is just a test.
Please ignore this msg.
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The TLC document is, indeed, published.
Doc number INCITS TR-37-2004
Doc title INCITS Technical Report for Information Technology -
Time-Limited Commands (TLC)
You may purchase the official INCITS publication at:
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Keep in mind that the ATA 'streaming feature set' is still not widely
available.
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Please see the new revision of Seagate's Logical Sector Alignment
proposal
which was just posted.
http://t13.org/docs2005/e05120r1-ACS-logical_sector_alignment.pdf
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Jim
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HPA is one of several feature sets that act this way.
'if the feature set is supported', it is 'enabled'
and you cannot have the case where it can be supported but disabled.
I agree, this is confusing, and I have complained about it, too, from
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We are looking into who is sending the spam, and into how to stop it.
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Lese selbst:
http://www.npd.de/npd_info/deutschland/2005/d0405-39.html
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Please look at this new doc that Dan posted yesterday, for the April
meeting.
e05120r0 - Alignment of logical sectors within a long physical sector
http://t13.org/docs2005/e05120r0-ACS-logical_sector_alignment.pdf
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(resend: email problems may not have actually transmitted this yesterday)
Just a reminder to all you T13 members out there.
The 'two week' rule time limit before the April plenary is end-of-day
Monday April 4.
So, get your new proposals (and
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Just a reminder to all you T13 members out there.
The 'two week' rule time limit before the April plenary is end-of-day
Monday April 4.
So, get your new proposals (and updates) posted before then !!!
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Seagate is hosting the April 2005 T13 plenary session #52.
Place Ramada Hotel and Conference Center
(formerly the Raintree Plaza Hotel)
1900 Ken Pratt Boulevard
Longmont, CO 80501
Reservations: (800) 333- US Canada Toll
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The t13.org reflector does not support or allow attachments.
Can you direct us to where the relevant document is posted ?
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Robert W Dixon/Seagate wrote on 01/28/2005 03:42:39 PM:
All Seagate SATA drives work in this manner also.
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I have posted updates to two docs on the T13 website.
http://t13.org/docs2005/e04130r1-ACS-self_test_polling_time.pdf
http://t13.org/docs2005/e04153r1-ACS-Annex_of_historical_cmd_usage.pdf
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The ATAPI queueing method using DSC for 'immediate' commands is still used
for ATAPI tape. I don't know about optical ATAPI.
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The answer to this is why LOTS of ATA stuff are 'prohibited' for ATAPI - -
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If SCSI/ATAPI has a way to do it, then it should be done via ATAPI.
'download microcode' is normally done in SCSI via the SCSI 'write buffer'
cmd
(note: NOT the ATA 'write
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Yesterday, I sent Dan some docs to post on the T13 website,
observing the 2 week deadline on new postings.
But -- today he said he is on vacation, and appears unable to post them,
so I took the liberty (as Dan's backup) of posting them myself.
If
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I have some questions about the new proposal
e04155r0 - DRQ=0 When ERR=1 Feature and Allocation Identify Device
Words Proposal
http://t13.org/docs2004/e041559r0-DRQ-ERR-and-ID-Words.pdf
Why do we need this ?
What problem does it really
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At today's T13 meeting, this was discussed: (e.g. overlaping ATAPI cmds
using the Service/Release protocol)
The general concensus was that it be dropped for ATAPI, but keeping it for
queued DMA.
No action was taken, but an official proposal will be
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Robert Elliott said:
I don't get that from those documents. That approach would make the
IDENTIFY DEVICE vs. IDENTIFY PACKET DEVICE command selection
indeterminate.
PM 1.1: Port multipliers use 69h/96h.
SATA II 1.2: SEMB (currently attached) use
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I am the manager of the T13 reflector list, and am doing periodic cleanup
of the list.
When a msg goes out to the reflector, the following email addresses
consistently bounce
as indicating that the user is no longer valid.
I am removing them from
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I'm just testing the reflector list cleanup that just occurred.
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This is a reminder that there will be an informative presentation
by the Trusted Computing Group (TCG)
at the August T13 plenary, on the morning of Tuesday Aug. 24.
Here is some background material (from Steve Sletten) for reference.
The TCG web
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Please see this new doc posted on the T13 web/ftp site.
It is a vendor- and industry-neutral overview of what 'trusted computing'
seeks to accomplish.
There will be a representative from TCG (Trusted Computing Group) giving a
presentation on the
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Heare Ye ! Heare Ye ! Heare Ye !
Announcing the debut of a new reflector for discussion of Trusted Commands
issues
involving these two proposals, and all that follow from them:
T10 proposal:
04-14041SPC-3 Security Commands
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A name server change was made today at t13.org to correct some flakey
behaviour.
This may be the first reflector some of you have received in a while.
You might want to catch-up on recent T13 reflector traffic by viewing
this (unofficial) archive
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Yes.
The party for which we are sponsoring this proposal has requested 'disabled
by default'.
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ATA Interface Firmware T13 (ATA/ATAPI) Standards
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Fixing the bytes/LBA at 512 is not acceptable.
In ATA/ATAPI-7, T13 established support for
* long LBAs
* multiple LBAs/physical sector
* multiple physical sectors/LBA
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I am looking into this request.
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Seagate Technology - PSG
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I have posted a revision to document
e04129r1 - Write Read Verify Proposal
http://t13.org/docs2004/e04129r1_write_read_verify.pdf
Please review this revision (instead of revision 0) for the June plenary.
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In this morning's SCSI-ATA translation teleconf, the OUI/World Wide Name
topic was discussed.
Here is the relevant web reference to official OUI and IAB lists of
identifiers:
http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/index.shtml
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't13.org' is still up.
Try accessing it with a different browser.
Sometimes I cannot access it with one, but I can with another.
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ATA Interface Firmware
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(The following is my personal opinion only, and reflects designs
implemented in a
previous company)
Unless specified otherwise, if the device does not indicate that the
feature is supported, then
then the command MAY either be aborted or treated as
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Please get and read this new proposal from the T13 site:
e04128r0 - Assignments for Trusted Computing Group
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This just in. Is T10 attempting to re-invent ATAPI ?
I don't know any details, so don't ask me, but thought it worth sharing on
the T13 reflector.
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