RE: Kerning of space in FrameMaker

2006-01-10 Thread Typesetting 
Fred, 

Thanks, but I am not talking about the on-screen appearance. I did not know
about this ini file setting, however, what I am referring to is the actual
PDF and hardcopy appearance. 

And it only concerns the space character. Like I add 30 units of kerning
between the f and the space (inside the font with FontLab) and this added
kerning does not show up even if I turn on the kerning pairs in FrameMaker. 

However, this kerning does show up in InDesign or Microsoft Word.

Best, Greg
 
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From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Subject: RE: Kerning of space in FrameMaker

Are you talking about on-sreeen appearance? In hard copy? In PDF?
If the kerning is OK in print and/or PDF, you need to look at the
DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics item in your maker.ini file to see whether
it's equated to Off or On.

Fred Ridder
Intel
Parsippany, NJ


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Subject: Kerning of space in FrameMaker
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:34:58 -0800

Dear Framers,

I have found (I believe it is) a bug) in FrameMaker in regards to kerning
pairs.

I have FontLab and I, for example, kerned two characters which are the f 
and
the space. I did that because the f was leaning over to the right and was
touching the first letter of the word. For example: of How where f 
touched
the H even though there was space entered in between.

So I opened the font and fixed the kerning pair of the f and the space. It
looked great.

I install the font and the characters are still crashing. Of course the 
Pair
Kern was turned ON.

Then I checked the same thing in MS Word and InDesign and when the kerning
was turned on, the kerning pair I did inside the font was applied and 
showed
up.

But not in FrameMaker.

Does anyone know about this and know how to handle it? Any plug-ins or
FrameScript for this?

Any data would be greatly appreciated.

Best, Greg

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FrameMaker at Kinko's

2006-01-10 Thread Phillip Norman 
I use FrameMaker daily, for letters and a variety of business forms,
as documents to receive and organize internet information including
FrameUsers threads, and as a flexible receiver of pictures and stories
for pdf albums. I find these tasks unbearable in Word, just as writers
in this forum find Word unbearable for complex structured documents.
My response to the August 2004 FrameMaker Survey was a request that
FrameMaker be offered to a much broader market, affording price
competition with Word. We should hope to find FrameMaker at Kinko's.

I invite a conversation on this subject. Isn't FrameMaker the best
word processor? Do others find FrameMaker the best application for
albums? I am content with v5.5.6 for what I do, and apologize if I
should be aware of existing templates for a broader market, in v7.

Phantom Images-Frame 7.2

2006-01-10 Thread DeFlorio, Dominick 

After deleting, for example, a text box and callout arrow, from an
anchored frame, a phantom image of the object is sometimes left behind.
It is as visually clear as the deleted object.  I know the actual object
is gone, but the phantom image remains.  I've tried "refresh"
(control-L) and saving the document, but can't clear the image(s) until
I close and then reopen the document.  Is there an easier way to clear
the phantom image?

Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389

FrameMaker at Kinko's

2006-01-10 Thread John Sgammato 
Long ago there was a product called FrameReader that enabled the user to
view but not edit .fm files. It was very inexpensive, in the $29.95
area. 
I remember a printer I worked with in Boston bought it so they could
more easily work with my files. 

These days I have no trouble with sending a PDF to the printer. I send
covers and an installation poster as Adobe InDesign or Adobe Illustrator
files, but FrameMaker files still have to go as PDF. It is another step
to my process, but not an onerous one. 

In my experience, if there is an issue that would cause a printer to
want to tweak my files, there is probably an underlying problem that I
want to know about. For example, if the font is a tiny bit different,
but different enough to cause a problem in one place that the printer
wants to tweak, then it might also cause a problem somewhere else that
we won't see until too late. 

I wonder if a future version of FrameMaker will merge with InDesign? 

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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker at Kinko's

I use FrameMaker daily, for letters and a variety of business forms,
as documents to receive and organize internet information including
FrameUsers threads, and as a flexible receiver of pictures and stories
for pdf albums. I find these tasks unbearable in Word, just as writers
in this forum find Word unbearable for complex structured documents.
My response to the August 2004 FrameMaker Survey was a request that
FrameMaker be offered to a much broader market, affording price
competition with Word. We should hope to find FrameMaker at Kinko's.

I invite a conversation on this subject. Isn't FrameMaker the best
word processor? Do others find FrameMaker the best application for
albums? I am content with v5.5.6 for what I do, and apologize if I
should be aware of existing templates for a broader market, in v7.
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Mark-up in generated structured lists

2006-01-10 Thread Steve Rickaby 
Me again... Sarah O'Keefe sort of implies in the 'Complete Reference' that you 
can apply structure to generated lists, but as it gets blown away the next time 
the list is generated, it's best either not to bother, or do it last.

Here's the rub: one generated list document in my current template, a list of 
figures, uses a character tag to format the figure number ('cos it looks nice). 
My EDD is set up so that the individual lines of the generated list can be 
wrapped in appropriate elements if required. However, if I do this, I lose the 
character mark-up.

Is this a dead-end, or is there any way to preserve the character markup?  
-- 
Steve

FrameMaker at Kinko's

2006-01-10 Thread Peter Gold 
In the really old days, it was common to print FM files to PostScript 
files using a PostScript printer driver provided or specified by the 
print vendor.

PDF has changed how print vendors see the world, now. Instead of 
having to learn zillions of quirky and not-so-quirky applications, 
they just need to know PDF well.

There's more speculation on what could possibly happen regarding a 
marriage of ID and FM, than the tabloids have on .

At 1:55 PM -0500 1/10/06, John Sgammato wrote:
>Long ago there was a product called FrameReader that enabled the user to
>view but not edit .fm files. It was very inexpensive, in the $29.95
>area.
>I remember a printer I worked with in Boston bought it so they could
>more easily work with my files.
>
>These days I have no trouble with sending a PDF to the printer. I send
>covers and an installation poster as Adobe InDesign or Adobe Illustrator
>files, but FrameMaker files still have to go as PDF. It is another step
>to my process, but not an onerous one.
>
>In my experience, if there is an issue that would cause a printer to
>want to tweak my files, there is probably an underlying problem that I
>want to know about. For example, if the font is a tiny bit different,
>but different enough to cause a problem in one place that the printer
>wants to tweak, then it might also cause a problem somewhere else that
>we won't see until too late.
>
>I wonder if a future version of FrameMaker will merge with InDesign?

-- 
Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
peter at knowhowpro.com

Mark-up in generated structured lists

2006-01-10 Thread Spreadbury, David 
 Steve,
Sure... Create a new element, we use Phrase, and use it to apply what
you apply now with character formats. Works like a champ. We have a
Bold, Emphasis, Superscript, as well as a few others. Character formats,
by themselves, don't work in structure, very well.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:02 PM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Mark-up in generated structured lists

Me again... Sarah O'Keefe sort of implies in the 'Complete Reference'
that you can apply structure to generated lists, but as it gets blown
away the next time the list is generated, it's best either not to
bother, or do it last.

Here's the rub: one generated list document in my current template, a
list of figures, uses a character tag to format the figure number ('cos
it looks nice). My EDD is set up so that the individual lines of the
generated list can be wrapped in appropriate elements if required.
However, if I do this, I lose the character mark-up.

Is this a dead-end, or is there any way to preserve the character
markup?  
--
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Mark-up in generated structured lists

2006-01-10 Thread Etzel, Gary 
This may be overkill, but if you have FrameSLT
(www.weststreetconsulting.com), you can use it to simulate a generated list.
I tried it once just to see if it would work. And it did. It's not a
practical approach for most case. Unstructured generated lists seem to be
just fine for most structured documentation needs. But if structured
generated lists are that important to you, FrameSLT can save you the trouble
of having your structure "blown away" each time you regenerate the lists.

Feel free to contact me off list if you would like some more info on this
approach.

Regards,

Gary


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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:02 PM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Mark-up in generated structured lists

Me again... Sarah O'Keefe sort of implies in the 'Complete Reference' that
you can apply structure to generated lists, but as it gets blown away the
next time the list is generated, it's best either not to bother, or do it
last.

Here's the rub: one generated list document in my current template, a list
of figures, uses a character tag to format the figure number ('cos it looks
nice). My EDD is set up so that the individual lines of the generated list
can be wrapped in appropriate elements if required. However, if I do this, I
lose the character mark-up.

Is this a dead-end, or is there any way to preserve the character markup?  
-- 
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Mark-up in generated structured lists

2006-01-10 Thread Lester C. Smalley 
Steve,

There is no way to preserve the structure of a generated list, but given
the length and usual simplicity of formatting it is easy to rebuild the
structure whenever needed.

If you have control over the EDD, you can modify the content of the
"List of Figures" element so that individual entries can contain text
and also a "figure number" element to wrap the actual figure number.
This element would then specify the desire format properties or a format
change list to control the appearance as desired.  If you include
hypertext links in the LOF, you probably should include a marker-type
element in the organization as well, although that is not strictly
necessary.

Something like this:

LOF  
Valid as the highest-level element.
General Rule: (LOF_Entry)+

LOF_Entry  
General Rule: (, Fig_Num)

Fig_Num  
General Rule: 
Text Format Rules:
1.  Text Range
Use character format: Figure_Number

You will have to add some info to the conversion table, but it is very
straight-forward to wrap the Figure_Number character format into the
Fig_Num element, the FigueLOF paragraph(s) AND the Fig_Num into the
LOF_Entry element, and the series of LOF_Entry elements into the LOF.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2006 02:02 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

| Me again... Sarah O'Keefe sort of implies in the 'Complete 
| Reference' that you can apply structure to generated lists, 
| but as it gets blown away the next time the list is 
| generated, it's best either not to bother, or do it last.
| 
| Here's the rub: one generated list document in my current 
| template, a list of figures, uses a character tag to format 
| the figure number ('cos it looks nice). My EDD is set up so 
| that the individual lines of the generated list can be 
| wrapped in appropriate elements if required. However, if I do 
| this, I lose the character mark-up.
| 
| Is this a dead-end, or is there any way to preserve the 
| character markup?  
| --
| Steve

Hope this helps.

- Lester 
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Phantom Images-Frame 7.2

2006-01-10 Thread Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) 
I have seen that happen occasionally as well. I discovered that switching to
the reference pages and back to the body pages clears it up.
Don't ask me why...

Berny Gagne 
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada

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DeFlorio, Dominick
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:50 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Phantom Images-Frame 7.2


After deleting, for example, a text box and callout arrow, from an anchored
frame, a phantom image of the object is sometimes left behind.
It is as visually clear as the deleted object.  I know the actual object is
gone, but the phantom image remains.  I've tried "refresh"
(control-L) and saving the document, but can't clear the image(s) until I
close and then reopen the document.  Is there an easier way to clear the
phantom image?

Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
Plug Power, Inc.
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389

Odd bug printing FM to PDF

2006-01-10 Thread Joe Malin 
Hi!

Seems like I've found an odd bug with hyperlinks from generated files
when I "print" an unstructured FM book from FM 7.1 to PDF.

I have found that when I print a FM book to PDF, the page numbers in the
TOC and index are automatically converted to hyperlinks in the PDF. The
text of the entry is also converted to a hyperlink. Thus, when I move my
cursor over the entry or page number in the PDF file, it turns from a
hand to a pointer.

However, if the entry's text is not in the default paragraph format for
the entry, this automatic conversion doesn't happen.

For example, if I go to the TOC reference page and change (for example)
the line for the chapter entries so that the page number has a "bold"
character format, the entry is converted to a hyperlink but not the page
number itself. 

So if I have the line

<$paranum><$paratext><$pagenum>

(this line has the paragraph tag ChapterTitleTOC)

and I select "<$pagenum>" and apply a character tag (say "Bold"), then
the chapter entries in the TOC look fine, but the page numbers are
converted to hyperlinks in the PDF. The *chapter* number and text are
hyperlinks but not the *page* number.

This also happens if I surround <$pagenum> with a  tag, for
example

<$paranum><$paratext><$pagenum>

This also happens in index entries.

Anyone seen this before?

Joe


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Odd bug printing FM to PDF

2006-01-10 Thread Ridder, Fred 
It's not a bug. It is behaving as designed. The active area (hot spot)
for a hyperlink extends from the hypertext marker until either a change
in formatting or a paragraph break is encountered. It works that way 
when you manually insert a hyperlink, and it works that way when
FrameMaker inserts a hyperlink for you.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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Behalf Of Joe Malin
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:47 PM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Odd bug printing FM to PDF

Hi!

Seems like I've found an odd bug with hyperlinks from generated files
when I "print" an unstructured FM book from FM 7.1 to PDF.

I have found that when I print a FM book to PDF, the page numbers in the
TOC and index are automatically converted to hyperlinks in the PDF. The
text of the entry is also converted to a hyperlink. Thus, when I move my
cursor over the entry or page number in the PDF file, it turns from a
hand to a pointer.

However, if the entry's text is not in the default paragraph format for
the entry, this automatic conversion doesn't happen.

For example, if I go to the TOC reference page and change (for example)
the line for the chapter entries so that the page number has a "bold"
character format, the entry is converted to a hyperlink but not the page
number itself. 

So if I have the line

<$paranum><$paratext><$pagenum>

(this line has the paragraph tag ChapterTitleTOC)

and I select "<$pagenum>" and apply a character tag (say "Bold"), then
the chapter entries in the TOC look fine, but the page numbers are
converted to hyperlinks in the PDF. The *chapter* number and text are
hyperlinks but not the *page* number.

This also happens if I surround <$pagenum> with a  tag, for
example

<$paranum><$paratext><$pagenum>

This also happens in index entries.

Anyone seen this before?

Joe


TuVox, Inc.


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Odd bug printing FM to PDF

2006-01-10 Thread Rick Quatro 
As Fred says, this is designed behavior. See Chapter 19, "Hypertext and 
View-Only Documents" of the User Guide, particularly the "Preparing areas 
for becoming active" section. Reading this won't necessarily solve your 
problem, but at least you will understand what is happening.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

Hi!

Seems like I've found an odd bug with hyperlinks from generated files
when I "print" an unstructured FM book from FM 7.1 to PDF.

I have found that when I print a FM book to PDF, the page numbers in the
TOC and index are automatically converted to hyperlinks in the PDF. The
text of the entry is also converted to a hyperlink. Thus, when I move my
cursor over the entry or page number in the PDF file, it turns from a
hand to a pointer.

However, if the entry's text is not in the default paragraph format for
the entry, this automatic conversion doesn't happen.

For example, if I go to the TOC reference page and change (for example)
the line for the chapter entries so that the page number has a "bold"
character format, the entry is converted to a hyperlink but not the page
number itself.

So if I have the line

<$paranum><$paratext><$pagenum>

(this line has the paragraph tag ChapterTitleTOC)

and I select "<$pagenum>" and apply a character tag (say "Bold"), then
the chapter entries in the TOC look fine, but the page numbers are
converted to hyperlinks in the PDF. The *chapter* number and text are
hyperlinks but not the *page* number.

This also happens if I surround <$pagenum> with a  tag, for
example

<$paranum><$paratext><$pagenum>

This also happens in index entries.

Anyone seen this before?

Joe
TuVox, Inc.
19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625.1623
jmalin at tuvox.com
www.tuvox.com 
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Kerning of space in FrameMaker

2006-01-10 Thread Typesetting 
Fred, 

Thanks, but I am not talking about the on-screen appearance. I did not know
about this ini file setting, however, what I am referring to is the actual
PDF and hardcopy appearance. 

And it only concerns the space character. Like I add 30 units of kerning
between the f and the space (inside the font with FontLab) and this added
kerning does not show up even if I turn on the kerning pairs in FrameMaker. 

However, this kerning does show up in InDesign or Microsoft Word.

Best, Greg

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From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 1:37 PM
To: typeset at goldeneraproductions.org
Subject: RE: Kerning of space in FrameMaker

Are you talking about on-sreeen appearance? In hard copy? In PDF?
If the kerning is OK in print and/or PDF, you need to look at the
DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics item in your maker.ini file to see whether
it's equated to Off or On.

Fred Ridder
Intel
Parsippany, NJ


>From: "Typesetting" 
>To: "FrameUsers" 
>Subject: Kerning of space in FrameMaker
>Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:34:58 -0800
>
>Dear Framers,
>
>I have found (I believe it is) a bug) in FrameMaker in regards to kerning
>pairs.
>
>I have FontLab and I, for example, kerned two characters which are the f 
>and
>the space. I did that because the f was "leaning over" to the right and was
>touching the first letter of the word. For example: "of How" where f 
>touched
>the H even though there was space entered in between.
>
>So I opened the font and fixed the kerning pair of the f and the space. It
>looked great.
>
>I install the font and the characters are still crashing. Of course the 
>Pair
>Kern was turned ON.
>
>Then I checked the same thing in MS Word and InDesign and when the kerning
>was turned on, the kerning pair I did inside the font was applied and 
>showed
>up.
>
>But not in FrameMaker.
>
>Does anyone know about this and know how to handle it? Any plug-ins or
>FrameScript for this?
>
>Any data would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Best, Greg
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