Re: Need some FM tips
Hi David, Esc vP (uppercase p) is the shortcut for going back to the source of a cross-reference. By the way, if you don't like FM's shortcut keys, you can change them. See Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf located in: C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.0\OnlineManuals Regards, Shmuel Wolfson David Shaked (Wernick) wrote: This is great - you have saved me a lot of time. Thanks for your help. David Shaked (Wernick) AlmondWeb Ltd. http://www.almondweb.com Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants -Original Message- From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 16:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Framers Subject: Re: Need some FM tips See answers below. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson David Shaked (Wernick) wrote: Can I ask the list members for some tips on various FM techniques? I am using FM 7.2. Most of these questions (except #6) are about techniques that are easy to use in Word, and I haven't yet found an FM equivalent. 1. Navigation techniques. Are there quick ways, such as shortcut keys, to do the following: a. Display the book window? *I always make sure the book is the first thing I open in FM. This way it's easy to go to the book via the Window menu, or ALT+W+1.* b. After following a cross reference (Alt+Ctrl+Click), go back to the cross reference? c. Go back to the last place that I edited? d. Go to a specified page number in a book, if it is not within the currently displayed *.fm file? 2. Is there a way to display the same document in two windows or in a split window? 3. What is the best way to create a TOC or index conforming to a predefined template? The method that I have used so far is the following: a. Copy the TOC and index templates to the document directory. b. Rename the files according to the convention booknameTOC.fm and booknameIX.fm. c. Open the *.book file and choose Add TOC or Add Standard Index. FM places the TOC and index in the above files and adds them to the book. Is that the right way? *The standard way would be to insert a TOC, open the template TOC and import the relevant formats to the new TOC. But I your way better.* 4. On one computer, I accidentally moved my toolbar (the Quick Access Bar) to a floating position within the document window. How can I can move it back to the docked position at the top of the FM window? It refuses to dock. 5. If I shorten a document, I need to manually delete the blank pages at the end of the document. Shouldn't the pages disappear automatically? *Only if you select Delete Empty Pages in the pagination settings. Then they disappear when you update the book. But this does not help when you always want even pages in the file.* 6. Can I create a book of books? My idea is to create a super-book that I can use for global operations such as find/replace or import-formats throughout a documentation set. However, I must be careful not to inadvertently change the page and chapter numbering or corrupt any XRefs while doing this. *I assume that this is possible since there a a volume numbering option under numbering. See FM help for Volume.* Thanks in advance. David Shaked (Wernick) AlmondWeb Ltd. http://www.almondweb.com Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Need some FM tips
At 12:46 -0400 19/6/07, John Sgammato wrote: I keep a folder in Outlook called Tips Tricks, and when something useful comes across a list like this, I just drag it in there. If the email does not have a helpful title, then I forward it to myself and rename it before saving it. Seconded. Mine is called 'Framers wisdom' ;-) It goes back to 2003. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
At 23:56 + 19/6/07, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: I think I have seen a Bible DTD for XML, but not an EDD... Well, this would give you a flying start if you needed to work up an EDD, as FrameMaker will create an EDD from the DTD for you. Am I over my head in this? Probably not, but where Icelandic is concerned, I suspect that most of the rest of us are ;-) Hope someone can help. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
At 03:56 -0500 20/6/07, Peter Gold wrote: Is there any reason you can't just use two stone tablets and a chisel?G Probably because you need the Finger of God, not a mere chisel. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Regarding Framescript
Hello Framers I was trying to find out some info about framescript. When i downloaded the trial version and installed it; i cannot find any way to launch it. How do we launch framescript. Does it provide an extra menu item in Framemaker or is a stand-alone program. Could anyone please provide some starting points in this direction. Any pointers would be truly appreciated. Thank You Surbhi ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Need some FM tips
You guys are great! I have been overwhelmed with online and offline replies. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to help. David Shaked (Wernick) AlmondWeb Ltd. http://www.almondweb.com Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag
At 09:11 -0400 20/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote: Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and for which I am very grateful: Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end of the chapter has a property PgfLocked Yes. Set this to No, save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the paragraph format. Heavy. I retract my remark about MIF manipulation. As a matter of interest, how does this flag get set? Is there a control in FrameMaker to lock a paragraph like this, or can in only be done in the MIF? What is its purpose? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag
Hi Steve, I don't know when this flag gets set. In the MIF documentation it mentions text insets. Eventually there was a text inset before/after this paragraph which was deleted and the paragraph retained its flag. I had the same problem some time ago and noticed this flag in the MIF file. Deleting it fixed the problem. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:23 PM To: Parcell, Michelle; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag At 09:11 -0400 20/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote: Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and for which I am very grateful: Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end of the chapter has a property PgfLocked Yes. Set this to No, save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the paragraph format. Heavy. I retract my remark about MIF manipulation. As a matter of interest, how does this flag get set? Is there a control in FrameMaker to lock a paragraph like this, or can in only be done in the MIF? What is its purpose? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag
At 15:43 +0200 20/6/07, Reng, Winfried Dr. wrote: I don't know when this flag gets set. In the MIF documentation it mentions text insets. Eventually there was a text inset before/after this paragraph which was deleted and the paragraph retained its flag. I had the same problem some time ago and noticed this flag in the MIF file. Deleting it fixed the problem. Thanks. Added to the Little Bag of Knowledge. Clearly FrameMaker sets it for a purpose, by itself, but sometimes forgets to clear it. Last time I saw that happen in software, the 747 ended up flying in circles around the VOR beacon. But that's another story... ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Need Icelandic Hyphenation (and dict)
FrameMaker seems rather limited in offering language support. Icelandic hyphenation rules are basically: 1. Between compound words (auto-matic) 2. Before a vowel. But both rules are subjects to exceptions, but I think that all in all Icelandic hyphenation rules are rather simple. My question is: Is it a complex job to set up hyphenation rules for foreign languages in general? Of course the basic files are binary, and we can make our own exception/addition files, but these have shown themselves to be less than reliable as a lot of postings through the years have shown. I have tried to search the Adobe knowledge base etc, but find nothing to shed a light on this. All my gurus are on this list, so here I post my query. :-) Thanks beforehand, Bodv-ar Bjorg-vins-son ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT: Pesky How To pane in Acrobat
All: My apologies for an OT post, but I'm trying to mark up a PDF created in FM 7 using Acrobat 7, and every time I click the Indicate Text Edits Tool, the How To pane replaces the Search PDF pane. I have read Acrobat Help, and there's no indication of how to disable the automatic display function of Help's How To feature. I did check the options under Edit Preferences for General, Reviewing, and Commenting settings, but I didn't see anything to disable How To appearing. It only pops up when I click the Indicate Text Edits Tool. It doesn't show by default when I open Acrobat, and none of the other commenting or advanced editing tools seem to trigger it. Since I'm trying to use the results of the Search PDF function to locate various places for commenting, it's really annoying for that How To pane to keep replacing what I'm using. This seems to have started after installing some updates to Acrobat - never had the problem before that. Any ideas would be appreciated, and you can reply offlist to keep from clogging the list with OT stuff. Thanks, Rene Stephenson ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag
Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and for which I am very grateful: Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end of the chapter has a property PgfLocked Yes. Set this to No, save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the paragraph format. Thanks again, Winfried! Michelle -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:49 AM To: Parcell, Michelle; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Can't Change Paragraph Tag At 10:44 -0400 19/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote: Hello, all. I'm having a problem removing or changing a paragraph tag. It's at the end of a chapter and is a Heading 1 tag, which means my TOC is picking it up as a blank H1 at the end of the chapter. Of course I can manually remove that line from the TOC, but we use AutoMap to generate our PDFs, which are then placed in a repository, so that's not the ideal way to handle this. We've tried removing it in the MIF version but that doesn't help either. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, and since I'm on digest and under deadline, I would also appreciate responses being sent to me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I being obtuse here? You have an extraneous blank H1 at the end of a chapter that is messing with your TOC? Why not just remove the H1, or change it to another tag? In the document? [Can't see the need for MIF manipulation here.] Or does it keep coming back? There must be more to this, but I'm only on my second strong coffee of the day... -- Steve NOTICE: This E-mail may contain confidential information. If you are not the addressee or the intended recipient please do not read this E-mail and please immediately delete this e-mail message and any attachments from your workstation or network mail system. If you are the addressee or the intended recipient and you save or print a copy of this E-mail, please place it in an appropriate file, depending on whether confidential information is contained in the message. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
I need a Frame crash course!
Hi all! I learned of this list through techwr-l and have just joined because I am pretty much going to need to give myself a crash course in FM within the next couple of weeks. My tech-writing experience is in Word, but I'm thrilled that I'll be able to learn FrameMaker (finally), since it's supposed to be so much better in layout and other areas. Unfortunately, there is no one in my immediate office who knows FrameMaker, so I'm more or less on my own in learning this. I am pretty good at picking up new software and have worked through the Classroom in a Book (which was somewhat helpful) and am waiting with bated breath for Publishing Fundamentals: FrameMaker 7 to arrive at my doorstep in hopes that it will provide the key to the FM universe. Because I've just discovered the Framers archives, I've also started looking through them. Are there any other good resources that I should be using? I have been a tech writer for 10+ years and am very familiar with the word-processing environment (Word), but not with FrameMaker. I need guidance on how to start a document from scratch-do I decide the format up front and focus primarily on figuring out master and reference pages? The whole concept of master and reference pages is quite new to me, though I'm slowly starting to get it. I've gained some understanding, but if my boss were to walk into my office and tell me to produce a formatted document/user guide on some small software utility, I'm not sure I would know where to start, layout-wise. I'm sure this topic has been covered here before, so if someone can give me a link to one or more threads in the archives, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Nina Rogers ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag
I have no idea. This particular file had a clean template applied to it and we never mess with MIF files. Maybe Winfried can tell us how such things are set. -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:23 AM To: Parcell, Michelle; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag At 09:11 -0400 20/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote: Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and for which I am very grateful: Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end of the chapter has a property PgfLocked Yes. Set this to No, save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the paragraph format. Heavy. I retract my remark about MIF manipulation. As a matter of interest, how does this flag get set? Is there a control in FrameMaker to lock a paragraph like this, or can in only be done in the MIF? What is its purpose? -- Steve NOTICE: This E-mail may contain confidential information. If you are not the addressee or the intended recipient please do not read this E-mail and please immediately delete this e-mail message and any attachments from your workstation or network mail system. If you are the addressee or the intended recipient and you save or print a copy of this E-mail, please place it in an appropriate file, depending on whether confidential information is contained in the message. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
Now those comments show just how much you guys know about the Bible. The 10 Commandments are in the Old Testament. But Bodvar is working on the New Testament. The NT writers used pen and paper, incidently. Bibles, whether you are translating or formatting the pages, are especially challenging work. I don't have the FM skills Bodvar asked for but I do appreciate the work has undertaken from a professional as well as a spiritual perspective. Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? At 03:56 -0500 20/6/07, Peter Gold wrote: Is there any reason you can't just use two stone tablets and a chisel?G Probably because you need the Finger of God, not a mere chisel. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/danield%40promise.co m Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: I need a Frame crash course!
Nina Rogers wrote: Hi all! I learned of this list through techwr-l and have just joined because I am pretty much going to need to give myself a crash course in FM ... Are there any other good resources that I should be using? ... Nina, Have a look at the template primer (and maybe download some of the template samples): http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/ Dan Emory's tome on templates is good, too: http://www.microtype.com/resources/articles/TMPDESIN_DE.PDF best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
At 10:32 -0700 20/6/07, Daniel Doornbos wrote: Now those comments show just how much you guys know about the Bible. The 10 Commandments are in the Old Testament. But Bodvar is working on the New Testament. Ah... so that's what 'NT' stood for. I though it was a Windoze reference ;-) The NT writers used pen and paper, incidently. I'm disappointed: I always thought it was goat skin. Better for the goats, I guess. Bibles, whether you are translating or formatting the pages, are especially challenging work. Don't doubt it. I don't have the FM skills Bodvar asked for but I do appreciate the work has undertaken from a professional as well as a spiritual perspective. I expect we all do, Daniel. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
If you want to see an ambitious project, browse through http://www.saintjohnsbible.org/. In the public TV documentary, I recall that it took a heck of a long time, a lot of gifted folks working a lot of hours, days, years, and a bunch of bucks to produce the original replica. Somewhere along the line it's been published to pages, but I don't think they used an EDDG. Good wishes and luck to Bodvar! On 6/20/07, Daniel Doornbos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now those comments show just how much you guys know about the Bible. The 10 Commandments are in the Old Testament. But Bodvar is working on the New Testament. The NT writers used pen and paper, incidently. Bibles, whether you are translating or formatting the pages, are especially challenging work. I don't have the FM skills Bodvar asked for but I do appreciate the work has undertaken from a professional as well as a spiritual perspective. Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
At 12:55 -0500 20/6/07, Peter Gold wrote: If you want to see an ambitious project, browse through http://www.saintjohnsbible.org/. In the public TV documentary, I recall that it took a heck of a long time, a lot of gifted folks working a lot of hours, days, years, and a bunch of bucks to produce the original replica. Somewhere along the line it's been published to pages, but I don't think they used an EDDG. Absolutely true: I have a friend on the Wales team. Of course, these guys don't use FrameMaker: if they did, they'd have finished years ago, but it wouldn't have looked quite so pretty. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM v. RoboHelp
No, it's not a typo. No, we're not being asked to use Word The person in charge of quality for our company does not seem to understand why we don't use RoboHelp to create content for our software manuals. After all, every office has RoboHelp (not the Adobe version), so what's the big deal? To me, the big deal is that we deliver PDFs, not CHMs, to our customers, and they like the layout. And it's faster to work in FM than it is in RH. My rule is, if I have to provide a TOC, it's a book. If I'm providing a book, I'm working in FM. If they decide they ALSO want HTML or CHM files, I can do that too, with FrameMaker and MIF2Go. I can't create a CHM in RH and then effortlessly have a pretty PDF to give our other customers, or can I? For the record, we are not currently delivering ANY online help. We deliver User Guides, Admin Guides, Release Notes, and whitepapers/reports. All are electronic -- no printing except for the pages our users want to print for themselves. Am I wrong to stick so stubbornly to my FM process? FM Process: Source content created and maintained in FM book. For delivery, PDFs are generated with live x-refs/links where necessary using Acrobat. If users want or need HTML, MIF2Go is ready to -- er, go. (No one in the US has EVER asked for a CHM, but if it should happen, use HTML Help Workshop to compile the HTML Help from MIF2Go.) RH Process: Source content created and maintained in RH. For delivery, PDFs are generated and look awful because there's no clean page layout formatting OR CHMs are delivered. Does it even make sense to deliver CHM for browser-based software being accessed over a network, since CHMs need to be accessed from the hard drive (unless you get into registry edits, which is NOT an option for us.) (We're also not doing much file-swapping amongst writers; we all kind of do our own thing, and there's not much room for content reuse right now, but still they want everyone to follow the same process...) Ideas? Feedback? I promised I would get opinions from the experts over here, as I apparently don't qualify as one myself... So what would you do, wise ones? Lin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
I think you are correct, Steve. Paper in those days was made of goat and other skins. I guess papyrus from Egypt was too expensive. I wonder if any of the technical material we write today will be remembered 2K years from now... Daniel -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:47 AM To: Daniel Doornbos; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? At 10:32 -0700 20/6/07, Daniel Doornbos wrote: Now those comments show just how much you guys know about the Bible. The 10 Commandments are in the Old Testament. But Bodvar is working on the New Testament. Ah... so that's what 'NT' stood for. I though it was a Windoze reference ;-) The NT writers used pen and paper, incidently. I'm disappointed: I always thought it was goat skin. Better for the goats, I guess. Bibles, whether you are translating or formatting the pages, are especially challenging work. Don't doubt it. I don't have the FM skills Bodvar asked for but I do appreciate the work has undertaken from a professional as well as a spiritual perspective. I expect we all do, Daniel. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
*I* wonder if any of the technical material we write today will be remember 2 *decades* from now... ;o) Chuck Beck Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Doornbos Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:13 PM To: Steve Rickaby; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? I think you are correct, Steve. Paper in those days was made of goat and other skins. I guess papyrus from Egypt was too expensive. I wonder if any of the technical material we write today will be remembered 2K years from now... Daniel -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:47 AM To: Daniel Doornbos; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? At 10:32 -0700 20/6/07, Daniel Doornbos wrote: Now those comments show just how much you guys know about the Bible. The 10 Commandments are in the Old Testament. But Bodvar is working on the New Testament. Ah... so that's what 'NT' stood for. I though it was a Windoze reference ;-) The NT writers used pen and paper, incidently. I'm disappointed: I always thought it was goat skin. Better for the goats, I guess. Bibles, whether you are translating or formatting the pages, are especially challenging work. Don't doubt it. I don't have the FM skills Bodvar asked for but I do appreciate the work has undertaken from a professional as well as a spiritual perspective. I expect we all do, Daniel. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/charles.beck%40infor .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM v. RoboHelp
I think you're right on, Lin. You know the tools you need to produce your deliverables. I don't tell my plumber what kind of wrench to use... john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lin Surasky Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:10 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM v. RoboHelp No, it's not a typo. No, we're not being asked to use Word The person in charge of quality for our company does not seem to understand why we don't use RoboHelp to create content for our software manuals. After all, every office has RoboHelp (not the Adobe version), so what's the big deal? To me, the big deal is that we deliver PDFs, not CHMs, to our customers, and they like the layout. And it's faster to work in FM than it is in RH. My rule is, if I have to provide a TOC, it's a book. If I'm providing a book, I'm working in FM. If they decide they ALSO want HTML or CHM files, I can do that too, with FrameMaker and MIF2Go. I can't create a CHM in RH and then effortlessly have a pretty PDF to give our other customers, or can I? For the record, we are not currently delivering ANY online help. We deliver User Guides, Admin Guides, Release Notes, and whitepapers/reports. All are electronic -- no printing except for the pages our users want to print for themselves. Am I wrong to stick so stubbornly to my FM process? FM Process: Source content created and maintained in FM book. For delivery, PDFs are generated with live x-refs/links where necessary using Acrobat. If users want or need HTML, MIF2Go is ready to -- er, go. (No one in the US has EVER asked for a CHM, but if it should happen, use HTML Help Workshop to compile the HTML Help from MIF2Go.) RH Process: Source content created and maintained in RH. For delivery, PDFs are generated and look awful because there's no clean page layout formatting OR CHMs are delivered. Does it even make sense to deliver CHM for browser-based software being accessed over a network, since CHMs need to be accessed from the hard drive (unless you get into registry edits, which is NOT an option for us.) (We're also not doing much file-swapping amongst writers; we all kind of do our own thing, and there's not much room for content reuse right now, but still they want everyone to follow the same process...) Ideas? Feedback? I promised I would get opinions from the experts over here, as I apparently don't qualify as one myself... So what would you do, wise ones? Lin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat a.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM v. RoboHelp
THANK YOU!! As I said, it's all because of cost. Everyone has RH already, but not everyone has FM, and they're afraid of the learning curve. Hello? We're documenting SOFTWARE. That means we have to be able to learn a program quickly in order to document it correctly, no? So why would we be unable to learn a new tool for our jobs? Ugh. I just don't know how to get through to these people, and part of it also is that I'm not in direct communication with them. I'm feeding information to someone else, who is already on my side, but needs research/data/arguments. Thanks for the support! :) -Original Message- From: John Sgammato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:30 AM To: Lin Surasky; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp I think you're right on, Lin. You know the tools you need to produce your deliverables. I don't tell my plumber what kind of wrench to use... john ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM v. RoboHelp
Agreed, John. Let the expert decide the appropriate tool. However, it may be helpful to provide a quick synopsis of the strengths and weaknesses of each program, followed by audience analysis, customer expectations, and deliverable requirements, and then by drawing the inevitable conclusion. Sometimes the failure to understand the tools and the failure to understand the skillset in our trade seem to foster assumptions that only enlightenment can silence. ;-) Rene Stephenson John Sgammato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're right on, Lin. You know the tools you need to produce your deliverables. I don't tell my plumber what kind of wrench to use... john ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM v. RoboHelp
John Sgammato wrote: I think you're right on, Lin. You know the tools you need to produce your deliverables. I don't tell my plumber what kind of wrench to use... john Sounds more like a case of I don't tell my plumber which voltmeter to use... Does Mr./Ms. Quality understand why Help is in the RoboHelp name? Why on earth would you choose such a tool to create a whole list of deliverables *none of which* is Help?? (Because when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like nails...) You're right to stick to your guns, Lin -- you're using the best tool there is for the job you have to do. It would be very foolish and counterproductive indeed to standardize on RH for your deliverables. Good luck! stuart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lin Surasky Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:10 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM v. RoboHelp No, it's not a typo. No, we're not being asked to use Word The person in charge of quality for our company does not seem to understand why we don't use RoboHelp to create content for our software manuals. After all, every office has RoboHelp (not the Adobe version), so what's the big deal? To me, the big deal is that we deliver PDFs, not CHMs, to our customers, and they like the layout. And it's faster to work in FM than it is in RH. My rule is, if I have to provide a TOC, it's a book. If I'm providing a book, I'm working in FM. If they decide they ALSO want HTML or CHM files, I can do that too, with FrameMaker and MIF2Go. I can't create a CHM in RH and then effortlessly have a pretty PDF to give our other customers, or can I? For the record, we are not currently delivering ANY online help. We deliver User Guides, Admin Guides, Release Notes, and whitepapers/reports. All are electronic -- no printing except for the pages our users want to print for themselves. Am I wrong to stick so stubbornly to my FM process? FM Process: Source content created and maintained in FM book. For delivery, PDFs are generated with live x-refs/links where necessary using Acrobat. If users want or need HTML, MIF2Go is ready to -- er, go. (No one in the US has EVER asked for a CHM, but if it should happen, use HTML Help Workshop to compile the HTML Help from MIF2Go.) RH Process: Source content created and maintained in RH. For delivery, PDFs are generated and look awful because there's no clean page layout formatting OR CHMs are delivered. Does it even make sense to deliver CHM for browser-based software being accessed over a network, since CHMs need to be accessed from the hard drive (unless you get into registry edits, which is NOT an option for us.) (We're also not doing much file-swapping amongst writers; we all kind of do our own thing, and there's not much room for content reuse right now, but still they want everyone to follow the same process...) Ideas? Feedback? I promised I would get opinions from the experts over here, as I apparently don't qualify as one myself... So what would you do, wise ones? Lin ___ -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM v. RoboHelp
You could really stir the pot by throwing ePublisher in the mix as a single-sourcing solution. g There's an import utility available for ePublisher that can take any RH project and convert it to MIF, retaining links and mapping formats as you determine in the interface. Depending on the size of the RH project and whether there are multiple RH projects to merge into a single-source ePub project with multiple versions/translations/localization as output, it could take hours or a few weeks to complete... BUT it would be a one-time hit. Then set it up with AutoMap to create the PDFs in sequence whenever you'd like (even while you're asleep). Just food for thought...conceding, of course, that Mif2Go is more cost-effective. Rene Lin Surasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very true. However, I didn't mention that there are 4 writers on the team who ARE using RH to create content, and not only aren't complaining, but one of them will fight as hard to keep RH as I will to keep FM. We're in different countries, with an international audience, so it's divided as to what our customers want. Which is why I think FM is perfect: We can delliver BOTH PDF and CHM easily. I guess I just need to keep repeating that... ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
Actually, according to an historical film I saw as a child, there were actually three tablets, but one fell off the mountain and was never replaced Now THAT's an editing job! -Original Message- From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:06 PM To: Lin Surasky Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? Lin Surasky wrote: I'm sorry. We're having a tool discussion on another thread, and I'm afraid that this stone/chisel suggestion is going to end up as the top choice! (Would it be better than RoboHelp for creating documentation?) ;-) I think this early PDF (Portable Decree Format) has been abandoned, as it turned out to be surprisingly fragile -- the first deliverables were damaged by the carrier and had to be replaced. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
I saw that, and was also thinking about it. I think it was a Monty Python film. Moses was walking down the mountain holding three tablets. He says, I give you the 15... and then one tablet drops and breaks. So he amends his statement and says, I give you the ten commandments. Someone should have told Moses about creating backups! Thank you, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lin Surasky Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:14 PM To: Stuart Rogers Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? Actually, according to an historical film I saw as a child, there were actually three tablets, but one fell off the mountain and was never replaced Now THAT's an editing job! -Original Message- From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:06 PM To: Lin Surasky Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? Lin Surasky wrote: I'm sorry. We're having a tool discussion on another thread, and I'm afraid that this stone/chisel suggestion is going to end up as the top choice! (Would it be better than RoboHelp for creating documentation?) ;-) I think this early PDF (Portable Decree Format) has been abandoned, as it turned out to be surprisingly fragile -- the first deliverables were damaged by the carrier and had to be replaced. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM v. RoboHelp
That particular guide was only about 240 pages, which is about half the size of one of the ones I currently managed as one output of 5 produced using ePub/FM to single-source and do all 5 outputs in less time than I used to spend on 1 CHM and converting to PDF (throught the formatting purgatory required RHWordPDF) for the project half its size. Based on that experience, I'd say it takes 4 times as long to do the same amount of work using RH if you have to produce PDF. The thing is, it's a part of EVERY production cycle. With FM, you set it up once and you're done, just handle the page formatting as you grow the content. Sometimes I'd run into a bug in Word that would cause all sorts of nightmares with formatting, and if you've tried to format anything in Word recently, remember how you have to futz with stuff constantly, going back to check that something you did later didn't break some formatting you'd done earlier because of Word's quirky format interdependencies and autonumbering issues. Lin Surasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See, these are the kinds of numbers I needed. I know there's a time difference between the two, but how much is the question. Thanks for helping with that. I never would have guessed 3-5 days! For how big a guide? 60 pages? 200 pages? (Once it's PDFed, of course.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] rs.com] On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:59 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp The last time I had to use RH to create printable output, there was a substantial amount of clean-up work involved each time between creating the Word version with all the print-friendly stuff like continuation statements on pages, etc., and then output to PDF and all the security stuff. For a single user guide, I would spend 3 to 5 full days just getting it into PDF from RH. Time is money. You could estimate the amount of time, factor that by your wage (plus the standard fudge factor for dealing with program bugs and crashes), and then factor that by the number of releases per document quarterly. That should be staggering enough to make your case clear to the QA and management mindset. Rene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surask y%40retalix.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
It was Mel Brooks' History of the World - Part 1 and it's a classic bit. I recently watched it with my kids and they loved it. Some things never go out of style. Berny Gagne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:46 PM To: Lin Surasky; Stuart Rogers Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible? I saw that, and was also thinking about it. I think it was a Monty Python film. Moses was walking down the mountain holding three tablets. He says, I give you the 15... and then one tablet drops and breaks. So he amends his statement and says, I give you the ten commandments. Someone should have told Moses about creating backups! Thank you, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lin Surasky Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:14 PM To: Stuart Rogers Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? Actually, according to an historical film I saw as a child, there were actually three tablets, but one fell off the mountain and was never replaced Now THAT's an editing job! -Original Message- From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:06 PM To: Lin Surasky Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? Lin Surasky wrote: I'm sorry. We're having a tool discussion on another thread, and I'm afraid that this stone/chisel suggestion is going to end up as the top choice! (Would it be better than RoboHelp for creating documentation?) ;-) I think this early PDF (Portable Decree Format) has been abandoned, as it turned out to be surprisingly fragile -- the first deliverables were damaged by the carrier and had to be replaced. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bgagne%40husky.ca Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
At 13:45 -0700 20/6/07, Gillian Flato wrote: I saw that, and was also thinking about it. I think it was a Monty Python film. Moses was walking down the mountain holding three tablets. He says, I give you the 15... and then one tablet drops and breaks. So he amends his statement and says, I give you the ten commandments. Someone should have told Moses about creating backups! Mel Brooks, History of the World Part I, 1981: Children of Israel, I give you these fifteen... [smash!] Oy.. Children of Israel, I give you these ten commandments... -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
It's great to be the king! -Original Message- From: Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:56 PM It was Mel Brooks' History of the World - Part 1 and it's a classic bit. I recently watched it with my kids and they loved it. Some things never go out of style. Berny Gagne -Original Message- From: Gillian Flato Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:46 PM I saw that, and was also thinking about it. I think it was a Monty Python film. Moses was walking down the mountain holding three tablets. He says, I give you the 15... and then one tablet drops and breaks. So he amends his statement and says, I give you the ten commandments. Someone should have told Moses about creating backups! Thank you, Gillian Flato ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
I knew you were in there, somewhere! Thanks for not disappointing me! ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] rs.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:04 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible? It's great to be the king! -Original Message- From: Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:56 PM It was Mel Brooks' History of the World - Part 1 and it's a classic bit. I recently watched it with my kids and they loved it. Some things never go out of style. Berny Gagne -Original Message- From: Gillian Flato Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:46 PM I saw that, and was also thinking about it. I think it was a Monty Python film. Moses was walking down the mountain holding three tablets. He says, I give you the 15... and then one tablet drops and breaks. So he amends his statement and says, I give you the ten commandments. Someone should have told Moses about creating backups! Thank you, Gillian Flato ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surask y%40retalix.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
I tried to confirm the link to the trailer for this film, before posting it, but it seems that the one at IMDB/New York Times fails. It's worth hunting for other links, if you want to get the scene from Moses' mouth. BTW, you may not be aware that Moses wanted to be a doctor, because the experience of dropping the one tablet left him very upset he almost turned back to Egypt. However, his close advisers told him not to worry, take these two tablets and call us in the morning! -- Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
ugh ;-) I apologize to every last one of you (except you, Peter) for having started this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Peter Gold Sent: Wed 6/20/2007 3:37 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible? I tried to confirm the link to the trailer for this film, before posting it, but it seems that the one at IMDB/New York Times fails. It's worth hunting for other links, if you want to get the scene from Moses' mouth. BTW, you may not be aware that Moses wanted to be a doctor, because the experience of dropping the one tablet left him very upset he almost turned back to Egypt. However, his close advisers told him not to worry, take these two tablets and call us in the morning! -- Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surasky%40retalix.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
I think you must all be hinting that the final EDD will be rock solid! ;-) Actually the last joke about the tablets fits in Icelandic too. I may even have heard it with God as the adviser -- which also gives a deeper meaning to the joke. -- Is it Friday already? Bodvar On 6/20/07, Lin Surasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ugh ;-) I apologize to every last one of you (except you, Peter) for having started this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Peter Gold Sent: Wed 6/20/2007 3:37 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible? I tried to confirm the link to the trailer for this film, before posting it, but it seems that the one at IMDB/New York Times fails. It's worth hunting for other links, if you want to get the scene from Moses' mouth. BTW, you may not be aware that Moses wanted to be a doctor, because the experience of dropping the one tablet left him very upset he almost turned back to Egypt. However, his close advisers told him not to worry, take these two tablets and call us in the morning! -- Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surasky%40retalix.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM v. RoboHelp
Hi Lin, Your Quality person is way off mark. Sounds to me like you know what you are talking about. By the by, in the odd case where I've been required to submit HTML files (for help systems), I've also used FM - Mif2Go with great results. But, HTML is rare for me. The majority of my deliverables are PDFs (Operating Manuals, Field Service Manuals, Release Notes, Admin Guides, etc.) and FrameMaker is clearly the superior tool for creating those graphically rich documents with hyperlinked TOCs and Indexes and hyperlinked cross-references in text (all the goodies we've come to expect in modern manuals), not to mention FM's Book feature making life-cycle management easy. Stick to your guns. FrameMaker is the right tool for you. Regards, Richard ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
SVG in 7.2
Hi Framers, We have a set XML files that started life as a Structured Frame documents with EPS graphics. Now, after converting to XML with SVG's, we need to round-trip the content back to Frame. It appears that the SVGs are rasterized when imported, some graphics scale unpredictably and there is some stray text (perhaps from an EPS layer). Has anyone else experienced the same issues and, if so, what was the resolution? Any help or direction is appreciated! Best, Mollye _ Mollye Barrett | Director, Content Management E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Phone: (414) 847-1271 | Fax: (414) 466-0840 Ken Cook Co. | 9929 West Silver Spring Drive | Milwaukee, WI 53225 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM v. RoboHelp
Just because the carpenter already owns a hammer is no reason to fail to consider a pneumatic nailer. Both may get the job done, but one is certainly superior to the other. Steve Cavanaugh Sr. Technical Writer NAT Seattle Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lin Surasky Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:22 PM To: Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp No, I had the same thought. Just didn't know who to ask, as I'm sure no one will divulge such valuable information before its time. See, the thing we all keep forgetting (except the one to whom I'm answering) is that they want to keep RH because it's already paid for. So purchasing new licenses or upgrades isn't really an option, unless I can convince them to keep FM. And even then... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] rs.com] On Behalf Of Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:19 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp In all of this, one thought occurred to me and it regards the upcoming release of Frame 8 later this year. Since RoboHelp is now an Adobe product, what are the odds Adobe will drop WebWorks and adopt RH as the chosen output method for CHM with FrameMaker? It would seem an ideal solution, with Flare nipping at their heels. Did I just add more fuel to the fire? Berny Gagne Lead Writer Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. Bolton, Ontario, Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:02 PM To: Lin Surasky; John Sgammato; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp You could really stir the pot by throwing ePublisher in the mix as a single-sourcing solution. g There's an import utility available for ePublisher that can take any RH project and convert it to MIF, retaining links and mapping formats as you determine in the interface. Depending on the size of the RH project and whether there are multiple RH projects to merge into a single-source ePub project with multiple versions/translations/localization as output, it could take hours or a few weeks to complete... BUT it would be a one-time hit. Then set it up with AutoMap to create the PDFs in sequence whenever you'd like (even while you're asleep). Just food for thought...conceding, of course, that Mif2Go is more cost-effective. Rene Lin Surasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very true. However, I didn't mention that there are 4 writers on the team who ARE using RH to create content, and not only aren't complaining, but one of them will fight as hard to keep RH as I will to keep FM. We're in different countries, with an international audience, so it's divided as to what our customers want. Which is why I think FM is perfect: We can delliver BOTH PDF and CHM easily. I guess I just need to keep repeating that... ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bgagne%40husky.ca Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surask y%40retalix.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/scavanaugh%40nat-sea ttle.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Update all files in a Book with a Paragraph Format?
Is there a way to update all files in a book with a specific paragraph format? We have a Para Tag called Revision which marks the revision number in the footer of the document. When we go to a new revision, we've bee importing the paragraph format into each file in the book... thus having to open each file individually and either change the master page (where the tage is stored) or change the paragraph tag itself with the correct Rev Number. Any way to do this for example, like a global property, etc? Thanks AM Harvey Enercon Services, Inc. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Update all files in a Book with a Paragraph Format?
Are you using a variable? If so, you should easily be able update the variable in one file, then apply it to the book. Karen L. Zorn Zorn Technologies, Inc. Mesa, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amy Harvey Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:39 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Update all files in a Book with a Paragraph Format? Is there a way to update all files in a book with a specific paragraph format? We have a Para Tag called Revision which marks the revision number in the footer of the document. When we go to a new revision, we've bee importing the paragraph format into each file in the book... thus having to open each file individually and either change the master page (where the tage is stored) or change the paragraph tag itself with the correct Rev Number. Any way to do this for example, like a global property, etc? Thanks AM Harvey Enercon Services, Inc. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Regarding Framescript
Hi Rick Thanx for the prompt reply. I will once again try installing it. Also, could you suggest some sites and books for having a working knowledge on Framescript. Once again, thanx for your help. Surbhi On 6/20/07, Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Surbhi, If you have it properly installed, you will have a FrameScript menu on the FrameMaker menu bar. FrameScript writes a message to the FrameMaker Console window when you start FrameMaker which will tell you if it is installed. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Hello Framers I was trying to find out some info about framescript. When i downloaded the trial version and installed it; i cannot find any way to launch it. How do we launch framescript. Does it provide an extra menu item in Framemaker or is a stand-alone program. Could anyone please provide some starting points in this direction. Any pointers would be truly appreciated. Thank You Surbhi ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Need some FM tips
> b. After following a cross reference (Alt+Ctrl+Click), go back to the cross reference? If you get ToolbarPlus from www.microtype.com/resources.html it has a tool button for this. Cheers, Rebecca NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs.
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
I am about to undertake the task of preparing special issue NT plus based on a new translation (Icelandic) of the Bible that is ready to be printed. I will only be getting the files in PDF (hopefully no ligatures) as the last changes were made at the layout company, in Denmark, I think. Maybe I will be able to get them in HTML as the local publishing company is backward engineering the the files from PDF. Not that I did not tell them about XML or FrameMaker. I did so two years ago. Anyway, I think this project is a typical structured thing, and as I have very little time (in my time off), I wonder whether someone has, or knows of, a suitable EDD for such a task. I think I have seen a Bible DTD for XML, but not an EDD. There are XML Schemas and several special markup languages for this too (USFM, USFX, OSIS, etc.), because of the limitations of DTD (and EDD). However, I think this could be done, especially if quotation marks are just typed and not relying on an element or an attribute (maybe attributes may be used for opening and closing quotes, etc.). Am I over my head in this? Please respond on or off the list. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Iceland
Need some FM tips
Hi David, Esc vP (uppercase p) is the shortcut for going back to the source of a cross-reference. By the way, if you don't like FM's shortcut keys, you can change them. See "Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf" located in: C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.0\OnlineManuals Regards, Shmuel Wolfson > > > David Shaked (Wernick) wrote: >> This is great - you have saved me a lot of time. Thanks for your help. >> >> David Shaked (Wernick) >> >> AlmondWeb Ltd. >> http://www.almondweb.com >> Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:sbw at actcom.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 16:32 >> To: david at almondweb.com; Framers >> Subject: Re: Need some FM tips >> >> See answers below. >> >> Regards, >> Shmuel Wolfson >> >> >> David Shaked (Wernick) wrote: >> >>> Can I ask the list members for some tips on various FM techniques? I am >>> using FM 7.2. Most of these questions (except #6) are about techniques >>> >> that >> >>> are easy to use in Word, and I haven't yet found an FM equivalent. >>> >>> >>> 1. Navigation techniques. Are there quick ways, such as shortcut keys, to >>> >> do >> >>> the following: >>> >>>a. Display the book window? >>> >> *I always make sure the book is the first thing I open in FM. This way >> it's easy to go to the book via the Window menu, or ALT+W+1.* >> >>>b. After following a cross reference (Alt+Ctrl+Click), go back to the >>> cross reference? >>>c. Go back to the last place that I edited? >>>d. Go to a specified page number in a book, if it is not within the >>> currently displayed *.fm file? >>> >>> >>> 2. Is there a way to display the same document in two windows or in a >>> >> split >> >>> window? >>> >>> >>> 3. What is the best way to create a TOC or index conforming to a >>> >> predefined >> >>> template? The method that I have used so far is the following: >>> >>>a. Copy the TOC and index templates to the document directory. >>>b. Rename the files according to the convention TOC.fm and >>> IX.fm. >>>c. Open the *.book file and choose Add > TOC or Add > Standard Index. >>> >> FM >> >>> places the TOC and index in the above files and adds them to the book. >>> >>>Is that the right way? >>> >>> >> *The standard way would be to insert a TOC, open the template TOC and >> import the relevant formats to the new TOC. But I your way better.* >> >>> 4. On one computer, I accidentally moved my toolbar (the Quick Access Bar) >>> to a floating position within the document window. How can I can move it >>> back to the docked position at the top of the FM window? It refuses to >>> >> dock. >> >>> 5. If I shorten a document, I need to manually delete the blank pages at >>> >> the >> >>> end of the document. Shouldn't the pages disappear automatically? >>> >>> >> *Only if you select Delete Empty Pages in the pagination settings. Then >> they disappear when you update the book. But this does not help when you >> always want even pages in the file.* >> >>> 6. Can I create a book of books? My idea is to create a "super-book" that >>> >> I >> >>> can use for global operations such as find/replace or import-formats >>> throughout a documentation set. However, I must be careful not to >>> inadvertently change the page and chapter numbering or corrupt any XRefs >>> while doing this. >>> >>> >> *I assume that this is possible since there a a volume numbering option >> under numbering. See FM help for Volume.* >> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> David Shaked (Wernick) >>> >>> AlmondWeb Ltd. >>> http://www.almondweb.com >>> Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> You are currently subscribed to Framers as sbw at actcom.com. >>> >>> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >>> or visit >>> >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com >> >>> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >>> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>
Can't Change Paragraph Tag
At 10:44 -0400 19/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote: >Hello, all. I'm having a problem removing or changing a paragraph tag. It's at >the end of a chapter and is a Heading 1 tag, which means my TOC is picking it >up as a blank H1 at the end of the chapter. Of course I can manually remove >that line from the TOC, but we use AutoMap to generate our PDFs, which are >then placed in a repository, so that's not the ideal way to handle this. We've >tried removing it in the MIF version but that doesn't help either. Any >suggestions are greatly appreciated, and since I'm on digest and under >deadline, I would also appreciate responses being sent to me directly at >michelle_parcell at g1.com. Am I being obtuse here? You have an extraneous blank H1 at the end of a chapter that is messing with your TOC? Why not just remove the H1, or change it to another tag? In the document? [Can't see the need for MIF manipulation here.] Or does it keep coming back? There must be more to this, but I'm only on my second strong coffee of the day... -- Steve
Need some FM tips
At 12:46 -0400 19/6/07, John Sgammato wrote: >I keep a folder in Outlook called Tips & Tricks, and when something >useful comes across a list like this, I just drag it in there. If the >email does not have a helpful title, then I forward it to myself and >rename it before saving it. Seconded. Mine is called 'Framers wisdom' ;-) It goes back to 2003. -- Steve
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
At 23:56 + 19/6/07, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: >I think I have seen a Bible DTD for XML, but not an EDD... Well, this would give you a flying start if you needed to work up an EDD, as FrameMaker will create an EDD from the DTD for you. >Am I over my head in this? Probably not, but where Icelandic is concerned, I suspect that most of the rest of us are ;-) Hope someone can help. -- Steve
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
Is there any reason you can't just use two stone tablets and a chisel? Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
At 03:56 -0500 20/6/07, Peter Gold wrote: >Is there any reason you can't just use two stone tablets and a chisel? Probably because you need the Finger of God, not a mere chisel. -- Steve
Regarding Framescript
Hello Framers I was trying to find out some info about framescript. When i downloaded the trial version and installed it; i cannot find any way to launch it. How do we launch framescript. Does it provide an extra menu item in Framemaker or is a stand-alone program. Could anyone please provide some starting points in this direction. Any pointers would be truly appreciated. Thank You Surbhi
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
On 6/20/07, Peter Gold wrote: > Is there any reason you can't just use two stone tablets and a chisel? I am afraid that more than two would be needed, and for two reasons: 1. Only the ten (or nine?) commandments fitted on the tablets; 2. I would probably break a few in the process. > KnowHow ProServices > Well, shouldn't you KnowHow? ;-) (just could not stand it!) Bodvar
Regarding Framescript
Hi Surbhi, If you have it properly installed, you will have a FrameScript menu on the FrameMaker menu bar. FrameScript writes a message to the FrameMaker Console window when you start FrameMaker which will tell you if it is installed. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > Hello Framers > > I was trying to find out some info about framescript. When i downloaded > the > trial version and installed it; i cannot find any way to launch it. > > How do we launch framescript. Does it provide an extra menu item in > Framemaker or is a stand-alone program. > > Could anyone please provide some starting points in this direction. > Any pointers would be truly appreciated. > > Thank You > > Surbhi
Need some FM tips
You guys are great! I have been overwhelmed with online and offline replies. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to help. David Shaked (Wernick) AlmondWeb Ltd. http://www.almondweb.com Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants
Can't Change Paragraph Tag
At 09:11 -0400 20/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote: >Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was >that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate >it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and >for which I am very grateful: > >Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end >of the chapter has a property . Set this to No, >save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the >paragraph format. Heavy. I retract my remark about MIF manipulation. As a matter of interest, how does this flag get set? Is there a control in FrameMaker to lock a paragraph like this, or can in only be done in the MIF? What is its purpose? -- Steve
Can't Change Paragraph Tag
Hi Steve, I don't know when this flag gets set. In the MIF documentation it mentions text insets. Eventually there was a text inset before/after this paragraph which was deleted and the paragraph retained its flag. I had the same problem some time ago and noticed this flag in the MIF file. Deleting it fixed the problem. Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com > ]On Behalf > Of Steve Rickaby > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:23 PM > To: Parcell, Michelle; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag > > > At 09:11 -0400 20/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote: > > >Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, > the problem was that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - > the tag wouldn't let me manipulate it in any way. However, > Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and for > which I am very grateful: > > > >Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end > >of the chapter has a property . Set this to No, > >save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the > >paragraph format. > > Heavy. I retract my remark about MIF manipulation. > > As a matter of interest, how does this flag get set? Is there > a control in FrameMaker to lock a paragraph like this, or can > in only be done in the MIF? What is its purpose? > > -- > Steve
Can't Change Paragraph Tag
At 15:43 +0200 20/6/07, Reng, Winfried Dr. wrote: >I don't know when this flag gets set. In the MIF documentation >it mentions text insets. Eventually there was a text inset >before/after this paragraph which was deleted and the paragraph >retained its flag. > >I had the same problem some time ago and noticed this flag in >the MIF file. Deleting it fixed the problem. Thanks. Added to the Little Bag of Knowledge. Clearly FrameMaker sets it for a purpose, by itself, but sometimes forgets to clear it. Last time I saw that happen in software, the 747 ended up flying in circles around the VOR beacon. But that's another story... ;-) -- Steve
Need Icelandic Hyphenation (and dict)
FrameMaker seems rather limited in offering language support. Icelandic hyphenation rules are basically: 1. Between compound words (auto-matic) 2. Before a vowel. But both rules are subjects to exceptions, but I think that all in all Icelandic hyphenation rules are rather simple. My question is: Is it a complex job to set up hyphenation rules for foreign languages in general? Of course the basic files are binary, and we can make our own exception/addition files, but these have shown themselves to be less than reliable as a lot of postings through the years have shown. I have tried to search the Adobe knowledge base etc, but find nothing to shed a light on this. All my gurus are on this list, so here I post my query. :-) Thanks beforehand, Bodv-ar Bjorg-vins-son
OT: Pesky How To pane in Acrobat
All: My apologies for an OT post, but I'm trying to mark up a PDF created in FM 7 using Acrobat 7, and every time I click the Indicate Text Edits Tool, the How To pane replaces the Search PDF pane. I have read Acrobat Help, and there's no indication of how to disable the automatic display function of Help's How To feature. I did check the options under Edit > Preferences for General, Reviewing, and Commenting settings, but I didn't see anything to disable How To appearing. It only pops up when I click the Indicate Text Edits Tool. It doesn't show by default when I open Acrobat, and none of the other commenting or advanced editing tools seem to trigger it. Since I'm trying to use the results of the Search PDF function to locate various places for commenting, it's really annoying for that How To pane to keep replacing what I'm using. This seems to have started after installing some updates to Acrobat - never had the problem before that. Any ideas would be appreciated, and you can reply offlist to keep from clogging the list with OT stuff. Thanks, Rene Stephenson
Can't Change Paragraph Tag
Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and for which I am very grateful: Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end of the chapter has a property . Set this to No, save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the paragraph format. Thanks again, Winfried! Michelle -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:49 AM To: Parcell, Michelle; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Can't Change Paragraph Tag At 10:44 -0400 19/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote: >Hello, all. I'm having a problem removing or changing a paragraph tag. It's at >the end of a chapter and is a Heading 1 tag, which means my TOC is picking it >up as a blank H1 at the end of the chapter. Of course I can manually remove >that line from the TOC, but we use AutoMap to generate our PDFs, which are >then placed in a repository, so that's not the ideal way to handle this. We've >tried removing it in the MIF version but that doesn't help either. Any >suggestions are greatly appreciated, and since I'm on digest and under >deadline, I would also appreciate responses being sent to me directly at >michelle_parcell at g1.com. Am I being obtuse here? You have an extraneous blank H1 at the end of a chapter that is messing with your TOC? Why not just remove the H1, or change it to another tag? In the document? [Can't see the need for MIF manipulation here.] Or does it keep coming back? There must be more to this, but I'm only on my second strong coffee of the day... -- Steve NOTICE: This E-mail may contain confidential information. If you are not the addressee or the intended recipient please do not read this E-mail and please immediately delete this e-mail message and any attachments from your workstation or network mail system. If you are the addressee or the intended recipient and you save or print a copy of this E-mail, please place it in an appropriate file, depending on whether confidential information is contained in the message.
I need a Frame crash course!
Hi all! I learned of this list through techwr-l and have just joined because I am pretty much going to need to give myself a crash course in FM within the next couple of weeks. My tech-writing experience is in Word, but I'm thrilled that I'll be able to learn FrameMaker (finally), since it's supposed to be so much better in layout and other areas. Unfortunately, there is no one in my immediate office who knows FrameMaker, so I'm more or less on my own in learning this. I am pretty good at picking up new software and have worked through the "Classroom in a Book" (which was somewhat helpful) and am waiting with bated breath for Publishing Fundamentals: FrameMaker 7 to arrive at my doorstep in hopes that it will provide the key to the FM universe. Because I've just discovered the Framers archives, I've also started looking through them. Are there any other good resources that I should be using? I have been a tech writer for 10+ years and am very familiar with the word-processing environment (Word), but not with FrameMaker. I need guidance on how to start a document from scratch-do I decide the format up front and focus primarily on figuring out master and reference pages? The whole concept of master and reference pages is quite new to me, though I'm slowly starting to "get it." I've gained some understanding, but if my boss were to walk into my office and tell me to produce a formatted document/user guide on some small software utility, I'm not sure I would know where to start, layout-wise. I'm sure this topic has been covered here before, so if someone can give me a link to one or more threads in the archives, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Nina Rogers
Can't Change Paragraph Tag
I have no idea. This particular file had a clean template applied to it and we never mess with MIF files. Maybe Winfried can tell us how such things are set. -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:23 AM To: Parcell, Michelle; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag At 09:11 -0400 20/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote: >Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was >that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate >it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and >for which I am very grateful: > >Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end >of the chapter has a property . Set this to No, >save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the >paragraph format. Heavy. I retract my remark about MIF manipulation. As a matter of interest, how does this flag get set? Is there a control in FrameMaker to lock a paragraph like this, or can in only be done in the MIF? What is its purpose? -- Steve NOTICE: This E-mail may contain confidential information. If you are not the addressee or the intended recipient please do not read this E-mail and please immediately delete this e-mail message and any attachments from your workstation or network mail system. If you are the addressee or the intended recipient and you save or print a copy of this E-mail, please place it in an appropriate file, depending on whether confidential information is contained in the message.
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
Now those comments show just how much you guys know about the Bible. The 10 Commandments are in the Old Testament. But Bodvar is working on the New Testament. The NT writers used pen and paper, incidently. Bibles, whether you are translating or formatting the pages, are especially challenging work. I don't have the FM skills Bodvar asked for but I do appreciate the work has undertaken from a professional as well as a spiritual perspective. Daniel -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+danield=promise@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+danield=promise.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:00 AM To: peter at knowhowpro.com Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? At 03:56 -0500 20/6/07, Peter Gold wrote: >Is there any reason you can't just use two stone tablets and a >chisel? Probably because you need the Finger of God, not a mere chisel. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as danield at promise.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/danield%40promise.co m Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
I need a Frame crash course!
Nina Rogers wrote: > Hi all! > > > > I learned of this list through techwr-l and have just joined because I > am pretty much going to need to give myself a crash course in FM ... > > Are there any other good resources that I should be using? ... Nina, Have a look at the template primer (and maybe download some of the template samples): http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/ Dan Emory's tome on templates is good, too: http://www.microtype.com/resources/articles/TMPDESIN_DE.PDF best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product."
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
At 10:32 -0700 20/6/07, Daniel Doornbos wrote: >Now those comments show just how much you guys know about the Bible. >The 10 Commandments are in the Old Testament. >But Bodvar is working on the New Testament. Ah... so that's what 'NT' stood for. I though it was a Windoze reference ;-) >The NT writers used pen and paper, incidently. I'm disappointed: I always thought it was goat skin. Better for the goats, I guess. >Bibles, whether you are translating or formatting the pages, are >especially challenging work. Don't doubt it. >I don't have the FM skills Bodvar asked for but I do appreciate the work >has undertaken from a professional as well as a spiritual perspective. I expect we all do, Daniel. -- Steve
I need a Frame crash course!
At 09:16 -0400 20/6/07, Nina Rogers wrote: >...and am waiting with bated breath for Publishing Fundamentals: FrameMaker 7 >to arrive at my doorstep in hopes that it will provide the key to the FM >universe. It will. >Are there any other good resources that I should be using? I have been a >tech writer for 10+ years and am very familiar with the word-processing >environment (Word), but not with FrameMaker. You might like to consider some of the self-training material that Scriptorium produce that references the book you mention above. Which module(s) you choose will depend on the direction in which you want to develop your FrameMaker expertise: informed user, template designer, EDD developer, guru and so on. As mentioned, the Adobe site offers quite a bit of material too. >I need guidance on how to start a document from scratch - do I decide the >format up front and focus primarily on figuring out master and reference pages? Up to you: most things in FrameMaker are hackable after the fact if you want to work interactively when designing documents. I'm not sure whether there is a 'proper' way to go about it. One thing you should try to avoid is a combinatorial explosion of paragraph tags, though, so it pays to spend some time thinking about your document design first. One problem when first starting out is that because you don't have a full grasp of all the things that FrameMaker can do, you may not know the features you can use to make a design 'good'. Experience is everything here, but a book such as Sarah O'Keefe's is an excellent reference, especially if you first skim it on a fact-gathering read. > The whole concept of master and reference pages is quite new to me, though > I'm slowly starting to "get it." Don't get too hung up on reference pages: these are a bit of a rag-bag of 'where can we put this' features, and can therefore be confusing at first. Concentrate on what you can do with master pages, as these are fundamental to FrameMaker's philosophy and operation. > I've gained some understanding, but if my boss were to walk into my office > and tell me to produce a formatted document/user guide on some small software > utility, I'm not sure I would know where to start, layout-wise. Start with a ruler and measure the paper ;-) Create a new document of the required size and single/double sides as required, and FrameMaker will set up the master pages for you. Then start thinking about your text devices: headings, fonts, spacing, justification and so on. Get to grips with the paragraph designer. Keep a mental picture of what you want the end result to look like, and mess with FrameMaker's features until you get it the way you want. Ask questions here when things don't make sense: we were all novices once. [I'm assuming here that you're not starting from scratch with structure. If you were, the steps would be different, such as starting with a very long holiday in Hawaii ;-)] >I'm sure this topic has been covered here before, so if someone can give >me a link to one or more threads in the archives, I'd appreciate it. Can't do that, but I have some articles I can send you if you like. -- Steve
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
I think you are correct, Steve. Paper in those days was made of goat and other skins. I guess papyrus from Egypt was too expensive. I wonder if any of the technical material we write today will be remembered 2K years from now... Daniel -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:47 AM To: Daniel Doornbos; peter at knowhowpro.com Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? At 10:32 -0700 20/6/07, Daniel Doornbos wrote: >Now those comments show just how much you guys know about the Bible. >The 10 Commandments are in the Old Testament. But Bodvar is working on >the New Testament. Ah... so that's what 'NT' stood for. I though it was a Windoze reference ;-) >The NT writers used pen and paper, incidently. I'm disappointed: I always thought it was goat skin. Better for the goats, I guess. >Bibles, whether you are translating or formatting the pages, are >especially challenging work. Don't doubt it. >I don't have the FM skills Bodvar asked for but I do appreciate the >work has undertaken from a professional as well as a spiritual >perspective. I expect we all do, Daniel. -- Steve
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
*I* wonder if any of the technical material we write today will be remember 2 *decades* from now... ;o) Chuck Beck Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 | Charles.Beck at infor.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Doornbos Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:13 PM To: Steve Rickaby; peter at knowhowpro.com Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? I think you are correct, Steve. Paper in those days was made of goat and other skins. I guess papyrus from Egypt was too expensive. I wonder if any of the technical material we write today will be remembered 2K years from now... Daniel -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:47 AM To: Daniel Doornbos; peter at knowhowpro.com Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? At 10:32 -0700 20/6/07, Daniel Doornbos wrote: >Now those comments show just how much you guys know about the Bible. >The 10 Commandments are in the Old Testament. But Bodvar is working on >the New Testament. Ah... so that's what 'NT' stood for. I though it was a Windoze reference ;-) >The NT writers used pen and paper, incidently. I'm disappointed: I always thought it was goat skin. Better for the goats, I guess. >Bibles, whether you are translating or formatting the pages, are >especially challenging work. Don't doubt it. >I don't have the FM skills Bodvar asked for but I do appreciate the >work has undertaken from a professional as well as a spiritual >perspective. I expect we all do, Daniel. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Charles.Beck at infor.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/charles.beck%40infor .com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM v. RoboHelp
I think you're right on, Lin. You know the tools you need to produce your deliverables. I don't tell my plumber what kind of wrench to use... john -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Surasky Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:10 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM v. RoboHelp No, it's not a typo. No, we're not being asked to use Word The person in charge of "quality" for our company does not seem to understand why we don't use RoboHelp to create content for our software manuals. After all, every office has RoboHelp (not the Adobe version), so what's the big deal? To me, the big deal is that we deliver PDFs, not CHMs, to our customers, and they like the layout. And it's faster to work in FM than it is in RH. My rule is, if I have to provide a TOC, it's a book. If I'm providing a book, I'm working in FM. If they decide they ALSO want HTML or CHM files, I can do that too, with FrameMaker and MIF2Go. I can't create a CHM in RH and then effortlessly have a pretty PDF to give our other customers, or can I? For the record, we are not currently delivering ANY online help. We deliver User Guides, Admin Guides, Release Notes, and whitepapers/reports. All are electronic -- no printing except for the pages our users want to print for themselves. Am I wrong to stick so stubbornly to my FM process? FM Process: Source content created and maintained in FM book. For delivery, PDFs are generated with live x-refs/links where necessary using Acrobat. If users want or need HTML, MIF2Go is ready to -- er, go. (No one in the US has EVER asked for a CHM, but if it should happen, use HTML Help Workshop to compile the HTML Help from MIF2Go.) RH Process: Source content created and maintained in RH. For delivery, PDFs are generated and look awful because there's no clean page layout formatting OR CHMs are delivered. Does it even make sense to deliver CHM for browser-based software being accessed over a network, since CHMs need to be accessed from the hard drive (unless you get into registry edits, which is NOT an option for us.) (We're also not doing much file-swapping amongst writers; we all kind of do our own thing, and there's not much room for content reuse right now, but still they want everyone to follow the same process...) Ideas? Feedback? I promised I would get opinions from the experts over here, as I apparently don't qualify as one myself... So what would you do, wise ones? Lin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat a.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
In telecommunications, the expiration date would be more on the order of 2 *years* from now, if it's still current when published. :o) Rene Stephenson Charles Beck wrote: *I* wonder if any of the technical material we write today will be remember 2 *decades* from now... ;o) Chuck Beck Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 | Charles.Beck at infor.com
FM v. RoboHelp
THANK YOU!! As I said, it's all because of cost. Everyone has RH already, but not everyone has FM, and they're afraid of the learning curve. Hello? We're documenting SOFTWARE. That means we have to be able to learn a program quickly in order to document it correctly, no? So why would we be unable to learn a new tool for our jobs? Ugh. I just don't know how to get through to these people, and part of it also is that I'm not in direct communication with them. I'm feeding information to someone else, who is already on my side, but needs research/data/arguments. Thanks for the support! :) > -Original Message- > From: John Sgammato [mailto:jsgammato at IMPRIVATA.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:30 AM > To: Lin Surasky; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp > > I think you're right on, Lin. > You know the tools you need to produce your deliverables. > I don't tell my plumber what kind of wrench to use... > > john >
FM v. RoboHelp
Agreed, John. Let the expert decide the appropriate tool. However, it may be helpful to provide a quick synopsis of the strengths and weaknesses of each program, followed by audience analysis, customer expectations, and deliverable requirements, and then by drawing the inevitable conclusion. Sometimes the failure to understand the tools and the failure to understand the skillset in our trade seem to foster assumptions that only enlightenment can silence. ;-) Rene Stephenson John Sgammato wrote: I think you're right on, Lin. You know the tools you need to produce your deliverables. I don't tell my plumber what kind of wrench to use... john
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
Daniel: Yes, it's pricey, or as they say here in Minnesota, "spendy!" I remembered from some English course that included some history of the novel, publishing, printing, etc., as you noted, that books at first were too costly for the unwealthy. Before mass-production printing techniques developed, the course's text noted, that illustrations were a huge problem, because most were re-drawn versions of earlier versions; each generation and artist introduced new, unique, and creative errors and distortions that sooner or later had no inkling of their original sources. (It took a few hundred more years for the photocopy machine to introduce the same kind of failure of copying.) For this reason, pictureless copies of scientific materials that were well-written by accurate observers were considered more accurate, because even illiterate copyists could get the words right, whether they were transcribed well or poorly. Later, it went on, as the spread of mass-produced religious printed materials, the graphics problem still was problematic. Woodcuts were costly to create, but the invention of conditional variables for graphics solved the problem! The garments of religious figures were shown as generically religious garb. However, the faces needed to be different for each group, so the woodcuts were made with empty holes for faces. The holes were plugged with blocks that printed specific faces and headgear for each market. I always thought this was pretty cool, but in reading through Meggs' "History of Graphic Design," 3rd ed., a book that's almost as painstakingly researched and compiled as the St John's Bible , there's no mention of this "rubber-stamp" technology in his coverage of the evolution of graphic communication from the beginnings of language through written and printed forms, media, methods, and technologies. Was I misled early on by that old course material? Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On 6/20/07, Daniel Doornbos wrote: > > Peter, > > I did not know about the Saint John's Bible project. > And as soon as I read about it online I wanted one. > Until I saw the $115,000 price tag. > That reflects the situation in the days before the printing press, when > only the wealthy could afford books. > Thanks for the link. > > Daniel > >
FM v. RoboHelp
Very true. However, I didn't mention that there are 4 writers on the team who ARE using RH to create content, and not only aren't complaining, but one of them will fight as hard to keep RH as I will to keep FM. We're in different countries, with an international audience, so it's divided as to what our customers want. Which is why I think FM is perfect: We can delliver BOTH PDF and CHM easily. I guess I just need to keep repeating that... From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinnie1 at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:37 AM To: John Sgammato; Lin Surasky; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp Agreed, John. Let the expert decide the appropriate tool. However, it may be helpful to provide a quick synopsis of the strengths and weaknesses of each program, followed by audience analysis, customer expectations, and deliverable requirements, and then by drawing the inevitable conclusion. Sometimes the failure to understand the tools and the failure to understand the skillset in our trade seem to foster assumptions that only enlightenment can silence. ;-) Rene Stephenson John Sgammato wrote: I think you're right on, Lin. You know the tools you need to produce your deliverables. I don't tell my plumber what kind of wrench to use... john
FM v. RoboHelp
You could really stir the pot by throwing ePublisher in the mix as a single-sourcing solution.There's an import utility available for ePublisher that can take any RH project and convert it to MIF, retaining links and mapping formats as you determine in the interface. Depending on the size of the RH project and whether there are multiple RH projects to merge into a single-source ePub project with multiple versions/translations/localization as output, it could take hours or a few weeks to complete... BUT it would be a one-time hit. Then set it up with AutoMap to create the PDFs in sequence whenever you'd like (even while you're asleep). Just food for thought...conceding, of course, that Mif2Go is more cost-effective. Rene Lin Surasky wrote: Very true. However, I didn't mention that there are 4 writers on the team who ARE using RH to create content, and not only aren't complaining, but one of them will fight as hard to keep RH as I will to keep FM. We're in different countries, with an international audience, so it's divided as to what our customers want. Which is why I think FM is perfect: We can delliver BOTH PDF and CHM easily. I guess I just need to keep repeating that...
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
At 3:56 AM -0500 6/20/07, Peter Gold wrote: >Is there any reason you can't just use two stone tablets and a chisel? That's only good for documents of about, hmmm, say 10 lines or so. - web
FM v. RoboHelp
John Sgammato wrote: > I think you're right on, Lin. > You know the tools you need to produce your deliverables. > I don't tell my plumber what kind of wrench to use... > > john Sounds more like a case of "I don't tell my plumber which voltmeter to use..." Does Mr./Ms. Quality understand why "Help" is in the RoboHelp name? Why on earth would you choose such a tool to create a whole list of deliverables *none of which* is Help?? (Because when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like nails...) You're right to stick to your guns, Lin -- you're using the best tool there is for the job you have to do. It would be very foolish and counterproductive indeed to standardize on RH for your deliverables. Good luck! stuart > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On > Behalf Of Lin Surasky > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:10 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: FM v. RoboHelp > > No, it's not a typo. No, we're not being asked to use Word > > The person in charge of "quality" for our company does not seem to > understand why we don't use RoboHelp to create content for our software > manuals. After all, every office has RoboHelp (not the Adobe version), > so what's the big deal? To me, the big deal is that we deliver PDFs, not > CHMs, to our customers, and they like the layout. And it's faster to > work in FM than it is in RH. My rule is, if I have to provide a TOC, > it's a book. If I'm providing a book, I'm working in FM. If they decide > they ALSO want HTML or CHM files, I can do that too, with FrameMaker and > MIF2Go. I can't create a CHM in RH and then effortlessly have a pretty > PDF to give our other customers, or can I? > > For the record, we are not currently delivering ANY online help. We > deliver User Guides, Admin Guides, Release Notes, and > whitepapers/reports. All are electronic -- no printing except for the > pages our users want to print for themselves. Am I wrong to stick so > stubbornly to my FM process? > > FM Process: Source content created and maintained in FM book. For > delivery, PDFs are generated with live x-refs/links where necessary > using Acrobat. If users want or need HTML, MIF2Go is ready to -- er, go. > (No one in the US has EVER asked for a CHM, but if it should happen, use > HTML Help Workshop to compile the HTML Help from MIF2Go.) > > RH Process: Source content created and maintained in RH. For delivery, > PDFs are generated and look awful because there's no clean page layout > formatting OR CHMs are delivered. > > Does it even make sense to deliver CHM for browser-based software being > accessed over a network, since CHMs need to be accessed from the hard > drive (unless you get into registry edits, which is NOT an option for > us.) > > (We're also not doing much file-swapping amongst writers; we all kind of > do our own thing, and there's not much room for content reuse right now, > but still they want everyone to follow the same process...) > > Ideas? Feedback? I promised I would get opinions from the experts over > here, as I apparently don't qualify as one myself... So what would you > do, wise ones? > > Lin > ___ -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product."
FM v. RoboHelp
In all of this, one thought occurred to me and it regards the upcoming release of Frame 8 later this year. Since RoboHelp is now an Adobe product, what are the odds Adobe will drop WebWorks and adopt RH as the chosen output method for CHM with FrameMaker? It would seem an ideal solution, with Flare nipping at their heels. Did I just add more fuel to the fire? Berny Gagne Lead Writer Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. Bolton, Ontario, Canada -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+bgagne=husky...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:02 PM To: Lin Surasky; John Sgammato; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp You could really stir the pot by throwing ePublisher in the mix as a single-sourcing solution.There's an import utility available for ePublisher that can take any RH project and convert it to MIF, retaining links and mapping formats as you determine in the interface. Depending on the size of the RH project and whether there are multiple RH projects to merge into a single-source ePub project with multiple versions/translations/localization as output, it could take hours or a few weeks to complete... BUT it would be a one-time hit. Then set it up with AutoMap to create the PDFs in sequence whenever you'd like (even while you're asleep). Just food for thought...conceding, of course, that Mif2Go is more cost-effective. Rene Lin Surasky wrote: Very true. However, I didn't mention that there are 4 writers on the team who ARE using RH to create content, and not only aren't complaining, but one of them will fight as hard to keep RH as I will to keep FM. We're in different countries, with an international audience, so it's divided as to what our customers want. Which is why I think FM is perfect: We can delliver BOTH PDF and CHM easily. I guess I just need to keep repeating that... ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bgagne at husky.ca. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bgagne%40husky.ca Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM v. RoboHelp
No, I had the same thought. Just didn't know who to ask, as I'm sure no one will divulge such valuable information before its time. See, the thing we all keep forgetting (except the one to whom I'm answering) is that they want to keep RH because it's already paid for. So purchasing new licenses or upgrades isn't really an option, unless I can convince them to keep FM. And even then... > -Original Message- > From: > framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameuse rs.com] On Behalf Of Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:19 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp > > In all of this, one thought occurred to me and it regards the > upcoming release of Frame 8 later this year. > Since RoboHelp is now an Adobe product, what are the odds > Adobe will drop WebWorks and adopt RH as the chosen output > method for CHM with FrameMaker? It would seem an ideal > solution, with Flare nipping at their heels. > Did I just add more fuel to the fire? > > Berny Gagne > Lead Writer > Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. > Bolton, Ontario, Canada > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:02 PM > To: Lin Surasky; John Sgammato; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp > > You could really stir the pot by throwing ePublisher in the mix as a > single-sourcing solution.There's an import utility > available for > ePublisher that can take any RH project and convert it to > MIF, retaining links and mapping formats as you determine in > the interface. Depending on the size of the RH project and > whether there are multiple RH projects to merge into a > single-source ePub project with multiple > versions/translations/localization as output, it could take > hours or a few weeks to complete... BUT it would be a > one-time hit. Then set it up with AutoMap to create the PDFs > in sequence whenever you'd like (even while you're asleep). > Just food for thought...conceding, of course, that Mif2Go is > more cost-effective. > > Rene > > Lin Surasky wrote: Very true. However, I > didn't mention that there are 4 writers on the team who ARE > using RH to create content, and not only aren't complaining, > but one of them will fight as hard to keep RH as I will to > keep FM. We're in different countries, with an international > audience, so it's divided as to what our customers want. > Which is why I think FM is perfect: We can delliver BOTH PDF > and CHM easily. > > I guess I just need to keep repeating that... > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bgagne at husky.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bgagne%40husky.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as lin.surasky at retalix.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surask > y%40retalix.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
I'm sorry. We're having a tool discussion on another thread, and I'm afraid that this stone/chisel suggestion is going to end up as the top choice! (Would it be better than RoboHelp for creating documentation?) ;-) > -Original Message- > From: > framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameuse rs.com] On Behalf Of Bill Briggs > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:11 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? > > At 3:56 AM -0500 6/20/07, Peter Gold wrote: > >Is there any reason you can't just use two stone tablets and a > >chisel? > > That's only good for documents of about, hmmm, say 10 lines or so. > > - web > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as lin.surasky at retalix.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surask > y%40retalix.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
It would fall in line with RH for FM: DEAD. Rene Lin Surasky wrote: I'm sorry. We're having a tool discussion on another thread, and I'm afraid that this stone/chisel suggestion is going to end up as the top choice! (Would it be better than RoboHelp for creating documentation?) ;-) > -Original Message- > From: > framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameuse rs.com] On Behalf Of Bill Briggs > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:11 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? > > At 3:56 AM -0500 6/20/07, Peter Gold wrote: > >Is there any reason you can't just use two stone tablets and a > >chisel? > > That's only good for documents of about, hmmm, say 10 lines or so. > > - web > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as lin.surasky at retalix.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surask > y%40retalix.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as rinnie1 at yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM v. RoboHelp
Lin - When you make your argument, specify your deliverables. That includes printable PDFs, with TOC, Indexes, and an attractive, readable format that pleases the customer and shows off the company to its best advantage. If RH cannot produce the required deliverables, then it is not the right tool for the job. You can try and FORCE it to work, but that wastes your time and the company's money, and all you end up with is an inferior product with which nobody is happy. My coworker has had to take RH files and create printable output, and she said that it requires exporting the files out, opening them in Word, performing a bunch of manual formatting, and then printing. Oh, and let's not forget -- if you find something that needs to be changed, you have to go back to the RH source files, make the change, export the content out again, open in Word, and reformat again. Let's hope the docs are perfect the first time. (Hah! Like that ever happens!) Otherwise, the costs saved by keeping RH will soon be vastly overshadowed by the extra work and pay required to create printable/readable PDF content. I would also use the published description of what the products are for as part of your argument. (These taken directly from the Adobe web site.) Adobe(r) RoboHelp(r) 6 is a complete, flexible, and user-friendly system for building, managing, and publishing engaging content for help systems and standalone knowledge bases. New Adobe(r) FrameMaker(r) 7.2 software delivers an enterprise-class authoring and publishing solution that combines the simplicity of word processing with the power of XML. Enjoy WYSIWYG authoring in either a familiar word processing, style-tagging mode or a fully structured environment optimized for the editing and production of valid XML. Take advantage of long-document support that includes book management features, sophisticated templates, and rich formatting options. Experience built-in support for high-quality printing, the latest Adobe PDF standards, and integration of Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG). And use the included WebWorks(r) Publisher Standard Edition 8.0 software from Quadralay to automatically create HTML versions of your documents and books. -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.
FM v. RoboHelp
The last time I had to use RH to create printable output, there was a substantial amount of clean-up work involved each time between creating the Word version with all the print-friendly stuff like continuation statements on pages, etc., and then output to PDF and all the security stuff. For a single user guide, I would spend 3 to 5 full days just getting it into PDF from RH. Time is money. You could estimate the amount of time, factor that by your wage (plus the standard fudge factor for dealing with program bugs and crashes), and then factor that by the number of releases per document quarterly. That should be staggering enough to make your case clear to the QA and management mindset. Rene
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
Lin Surasky wrote: > > I'm sorry. We're having a tool discussion on another thread, and I'm > afraid that this stone/chisel suggestion is going to end up as the top > choice! > > (Would it be better than RoboHelp for creating documentation?) > ;-) I think this early PDF (Portable Decree Format) has been abandoned, as it turned out to be surprisingly fragile -- the first deliverables were damaged by the carrier and had to be replaced. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product."
FM v. RoboHelp
See, these are the kinds of numbers I needed. I know there's a time difference between the two, but how much is the question. Thanks for helping with that. I never would have guessed 3-5 days! For how big a guide? 60 pages? 200 pages? (Once it's PDFed, of course.) > -Original Message- > From: > framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameuse rs.com] On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:59 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp > > The last time I had to use RH to create printable output, > there was a substantial amount of clean-up work involved each > time between creating the Word version with all the > print-friendly stuff like continuation statements on pages, > etc., and then output to PDF and all the security stuff. For > a single user guide, I would spend 3 to 5 full days just > getting it into PDF from RH. Time is money. You could > estimate the amount of time, factor that by your wage (plus > the standard fudge factor for dealing with program bugs and > crashes), and then factor that by the number of releases per > document quarterly. That should be staggering enough to make > your case clear to the QA and management mindset. > > Rene > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as lin.surasky at retalix.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surask > y%40retalix.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible?
Actually, according to an historical film I saw as a child, there were actually three tablets, but one fell off the mountain and was never replaced Now THAT's an editing job! > -Original Message- > From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:06 PM > To: Lin Surasky > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? > > Lin Surasky wrote: > > > > I'm sorry. We're having a tool discussion on another > thread, and I'm > > afraid that this stone/chisel suggestion is going to end up > as the top > > choice! > > > > (Would it be better than RoboHelp for creating documentation?) > > ;-) > > I think this early PDF (Portable Decree Format) has been > abandoned, as it turned out to be surprisingly fragile -- the > first deliverables were damaged by the carrier and had to be replaced. > > -- > Stuart Rogers > Technical Communicator > Phoenix Geophysics Limited > Toronto, ON, Canada > +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 > > srogers phoenix-geophysics com > > "Developers explain How the Product Works. > Technical writers explain How to Work the Product." >
Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
I saw that, and was also thinking about it. I think it was a Monty Python film. Moses was walking down the mountain holding three tablets. He says, "I give you the 15..." and then one tablet drops and breaks. So he amends his statement and says, "I give you the ten commandments." Someone should have told Moses about creating backups! Thank you, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Surasky Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:14 PM To: Stuart Rogers Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? Actually, according to an historical film I saw as a child, there were actually three tablets, but one fell off the mountain and was never replaced Now THAT's an editing job! > -Original Message- > From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:06 PM > To: Lin Surasky > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? > > Lin Surasky wrote: > > > > I'm sorry. We're having a tool discussion on another > thread, and I'm > > afraid that this stone/chisel suggestion is going to end up > as the top > > choice! > > > > (Would it be better than RoboHelp for creating documentation?) > > ;-) > > I think this early PDF (Portable Decree Format) has been > abandoned, as it turned out to be surprisingly fragile -- the > first deliverables were damaged by the carrier and had to be replaced. > > -- > Stuart Rogers > Technical Communicator > Phoenix Geophysics Limited > Toronto, ON, Canada > +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 > > srogers phoenix-geophysics com > > "Developers explain How the Product Works. > Technical writers explain How to Work the Product." > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM v. RoboHelp
That particular guide was only about 240 pages, which is about half the size of one of the ones I currently managed as one output of 5 produced using ePub/FM to single-source and do all 5 outputs in less time than I used to spend on 1 CHM and converting to PDF (throught the formatting purgatory required RH>Word>PDF) for the project half its size. Based on that experience, I'd say it takes 4 times as long to do the same amount of work using RH if you have to produce PDF. The thing is, it's a part of EVERY production cycle. With FM, you set it up once and you're done, just handle the page formatting as you grow the content. Sometimes I'd run into a bug in Word that would cause all sorts of nightmares with formatting, and if you've tried to format anything in Word recently, remember how you have to futz with stuff constantly, going back to check that something you did later didn't "break" some formatting you'd done earlier because of Word's quirky format interdependencies and autonumbering issues. Lin Surasky wrote: See, these are the kinds of numbers I needed. I know there's a time difference between the two, but how much is the question. Thanks for helping with that. I never would have guessed 3-5 days! For how big a guide? 60 pages? 200 pages? (Once it's PDFed, of course.) > -Original Message- > From: > framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameuse rs.com] On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:59 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp > > The last time I had to use RH to create printable output, > there was a substantial amount of clean-up work involved each > time between creating the Word version with all the > print-friendly stuff like continuation statements on pages, > etc., and then output to PDF and all the security stuff. For > a single user guide, I would spend 3 to 5 full days just > getting it into PDF from RH. Time is money. You could > estimate the amount of time, factor that by your wage (plus > the standard fudge factor for dealing with program bugs and > crashes), and then factor that by the number of releases per > document quarterly. That should be staggering enough to make > your case clear to the QA and management mindset. > > Rene > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as lin.surasky at retalix.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surask > y%40retalix.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
It was Mel Brooks' "History of the World - Part 1" and it's a classic bit. I recently watched it with my kids and they loved it. Some things never go out of style. Berny Gagne -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+bgagne=husky...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:46 PM To: Lin Surasky; Stuart Rogers Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible? I saw that, and was also thinking about it. I think it was a Monty Python film. Moses was walking down the mountain holding three tablets. He says, "I give you the 15..." and then one tablet drops and breaks. So he amends his statement and says, "I give you the ten commandments." Someone should have told Moses about creating backups! Thank you, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Surasky Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:14 PM To: Stuart Rogers Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? Actually, according to an historical film I saw as a child, there were actually three tablets, but one fell off the mountain and was never replaced Now THAT's an editing job! > -Original Message- > From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:06 PM > To: Lin Surasky > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Does anyones have an EDD for the Bible? > > Lin Surasky wrote: > > > > I'm sorry. We're having a tool discussion on another > thread, and I'm > > afraid that this stone/chisel suggestion is going to end up > as the top > > choice! > > > > (Would it be better than RoboHelp for creating documentation?) > > ;-) > > I think this early PDF (Portable Decree Format) has been abandoned, as > it turned out to be surprisingly fragile -- the first deliverables > were damaged by the carrier and had to be replaced. > > -- > Stuart Rogers > Technical Communicator > Phoenix Geophysics Limited > Toronto, ON, Canada > +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 > > srogers phoenix-geophysics com > > "Developers explain How the Product Works. > Technical writers explain How to Work the Product." > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bgagne at husky.ca. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bgagne%40husky.ca Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
At 13:45 -0700 20/6/07, Gillian Flato wrote: >I saw that, and was also thinking about it. I think it was a Monty >Python film. Moses was walking down the mountain holding three tablets. >He says, "I give you the 15..." and then one tablet drops and breaks. So >he amends his statement and says, "I give you the ten commandments." >Someone should have told Moses about creating backups! Mel Brooks, History of the World Part I, 1981: "Children of Israel, I give you these fifteen..." [smash!] "Oy.." "Children of Israel, I give you these ten commandments..." -- Steve
Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
It's great to be the king! > -Original Message- > From: Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:56 PM > > It was Mel Brooks' "History of the World - Part 1" and it's a classic > bit. > I recently watched it with my kids and they loved it. > Some things never go out of style. > > Berny Gagne > > -Original Message- > From: Gillian Flato > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:46 PM > > I saw that, and was also thinking about it. I think it was a Monty > Python film. Moses was walking down the mountain holding > three tablets. > He says, "I give you the 15..." and then one tablet drops and > breaks. So > he amends his statement and says, "I give you the ten commandments." > Someone should have told Moses about creating backups! > > > Thank you, > > > Gillian Flato >
Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
I knew you were in there, somewhere! Thanks for not disappointing me! ;-) > -Original Message- > From: > framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameuse rs.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:04 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible? > > It's great to be the king! > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:56 PM > > > > It was Mel Brooks' "History of the World - Part 1" and it's > a classic > > bit. > > I recently watched it with my kids and they loved it. > > Some things never go out of style. > > > > Berny Gagne > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gillian Flato > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:46 PM > > > > I saw that, and was also thinking about it. I think it was a Monty > > Python film. Moses was walking down the mountain holding three > > tablets. > > He says, "I give you the 15..." and then one tablet drops > and breaks. > > So he amends his statement and says, "I give you the ten > > commandments." > > Someone should have told Moses about creating backups! > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Gillian Flato > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as lin.surasky at retalix.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surask > y%40retalix.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
I tried to confirm the link to the trailer for this film, before posting it, but it seems that the one at IMDB/New York Times fails. It's worth hunting for other links, if you want to get the scene from "Moses' " mouth. BTW, you may not be aware that Moses wanted to be a doctor, because the experience of dropping the one tablet left him very upset he almost turned back to Egypt. However, his close advisers told him not to worry, "take these two tablets and call us in the morning!" -- Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
ugh ;-) I apologize to every last one of you (except you, Peter) for having started this. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Peter Gold Sent: Wed 6/20/2007 3:37 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible? I tried to confirm the link to the trailer for this film, before posting it, but it seems that the one at IMDB/New York Times fails. It's worth hunting for other links, if you want to get the scene from "Moses' " mouth. BTW, you may not be aware that Moses wanted to be a doctor, because the experience of dropping the one tablet left him very upset he almost turned back to Egypt. However, his close advisers told him not to worry, "take these two tablets and call us in the morning!" -- Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lin.surasky at retalix.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surasky%40retalix.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM v. RoboHelp
Hi Lin, Your "Quality" person is way off mark. Sounds to me like you know what you are talking about. By the by, in the odd case where I've been required to submit HTML files (for help systems), I've also used FM -> Mif2Go with great results. But, HTML is rare for me. The majority of my deliverables are PDFs (Operating Manuals, Field Service Manuals, Release Notes, Admin Guides, etc.) and FrameMaker is clearly the superior tool for creating those graphically rich documents with hyperlinked TOCs and Indexes and hyperlinked cross-references in text (all the goodies we've come to expect in modern manuals), not to mention FM's "Book" feature making life-cycle management easy. Stick to your guns. FrameMaker is the right tool for you. Regards, Richard
SVG in 7.2
Hi Framers, We have a set XML files that started life as a Structured Frame documents with EPS graphics. Now, after converting to XML with SVG's, we need to round-trip the content back to Frame. It appears that the SVGs are rasterized when imported, some graphics scale unpredictably and there is some stray text (perhaps from an EPS layer). Has anyone else experienced the same issues and, if so, what was the resolution? Any help or direction is appreciated! Best, Mollye _ Mollye Barrett | Director, Content Management E-mail: mollyeb at kencook.com | Phone: (414) 847-1271 | Fax: (414) 466-0840 Ken Cook Co. | 9929 West Silver Spring Drive | Milwaukee, WI 53225
FM v. RoboHelp
Just because the carpenter already owns a hammer is no reason to fail to consider a pneumatic nailer. Both may get the job done, but one is certainly superior to the other. Steve Cavanaugh Sr. Technical Writer NAT Seattle Inc. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+scavanaugh=nat-seattle@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+scavanaugh=nat-seattle.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Surasky Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:22 PM To: Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp No, I had the same thought. Just didn't know who to ask, as I'm sure no one will divulge such valuable information before its time. See, the thing we all keep forgetting (except the one to whom I'm answering) is that they want to keep RH because it's already paid for. So purchasing new licenses or upgrades isn't really an option, unless I can convince them to keep FM. And even then... > -Original Message- > From: > framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+lin.surasky=retalix.com at lists.frameuse rs.com] On Behalf Of Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:19 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp > > In all of this, one thought occurred to me and it regards the upcoming > release of Frame 8 later this year. > Since RoboHelp is now an Adobe product, what are the odds Adobe will > drop WebWorks and adopt RH as the chosen output method for CHM with > FrameMaker? It would seem an ideal solution, with Flare nipping at > their heels. > Did I just add more fuel to the fire? > > Berny Gagne > Lead Writer > Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. > Bolton, Ontario, Canada > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:02 PM > To: Lin Surasky; John Sgammato; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: FM v. RoboHelp > > You could really stir the pot by throwing ePublisher in the mix as a > single-sourcing solution.There's an import utility > available for > ePublisher that can take any RH project and convert it to MIF, > retaining links and mapping formats as you determine in the interface. > Depending on the size of the RH project and whether there are multiple > RH projects to merge into a single-source ePub project with multiple > versions/translations/localization as output, it could take hours or a > few weeks to complete... BUT it would be a one-time hit. Then set it > up with AutoMap to create the PDFs in sequence whenever you'd like > (even while you're asleep). > Just food for thought...conceding, of course, that Mif2Go is more > cost-effective. > > Rene > > Lin Surasky wrote: Very true. However, I > didn't mention that there are 4 writers on the team who ARE using RH > to create content, and not only aren't complaining, but one of them > will fight as hard to keep RH as I will to keep FM. We're in > different countries, with an international audience, so it's divided > as to what our customers want. > Which is why I think FM is perfect: We can delliver BOTH PDF and CHM > easily. > > I guess I just need to keep repeating that... > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bgagne at husky.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bgagne%40husky.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as lin.surasky at retalix.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lin.surask > y%40retalix.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as scavanaugh at nat-seattle.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/scavanaugh%40nat-sea ttle.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Update all files in a Book with a Paragraph Format?
Is there a way to update all files in a book with a specific paragraph format? We have a Para Tag called "Revision" which marks the revision number in the footer of the document. When we go to a new revision, we've bee importing the paragraph format into each file in the book... thus having to open each file individually and either change the master page (where the tage is stored) or change the paragraph tag itself with the correct Rev Number. Any way to do this for example, like a global property, etc? Thanks AM Harvey Enercon Services, Inc.
Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?
-- Is it Friday already? Bodvar Ah, but so refreshing on this 113+ day! Karen L. Zorn Zorn Technologies, Inc. Mesa, AZ
