Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

Lin...Well...they're talking and making progress. Some of our software 
packaging software needed to be upgraded, stuff like that. I'll know next week. 
Thanks for your participation.

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Was it successful?

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:55 AM  wrote:

> Thanks Steve... this isn't an off-line activation, it's just a "different"
> online activation.
>
> My software provisioning people are conference calling with Adobe 
> Product management tomorrow morning.


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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

Was it successful?

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:55 AM  wrote:

> Thanks Steve... this isn't an off-line activation, it's just a "different"
> online activation.
>
> My software provisioning people are conference calling with Adobe Product
> management tomorrow morning.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Waldenga-???
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 7:51 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Adobe has some information about offline product activation here:
>
> https://exception.licenses.adobe.com/aoes/aoes/v1/cst1
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Waldenga
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
>
> > installed on their network.
>
> >
>
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > FM
>
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
>
> > paradigm?
>
>
>
> Steve Waldenga  / 王安祖
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

Thanks Steve... this isn't an off-line activation, it's just a "different" 
online activation.

My software provisioning people are conference calling with Adobe Product 
management tomorrow morning.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 7:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Adobe has some information about offline product activation here:

https://exception.licenses.adobe.com/aoes/aoes/v1/cst1



Best regards,

Steve Waldenga



On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:28 AM John Posada  wrote:

>

> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM

> installed on their network.

>

> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native 
> FM

> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book

> paradigm?



Steve Waldenga  / 王安祖
MitraStar Technology Corp.
Creative Design Department
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Steve Waldenga-王安祖]

Adobe has some information about offline product activation here:

https://exception.licenses.adobe.com/aoes/aoes/v1/cst1



Best regards,

Steve Waldenga



On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:28 AM John Posada  wrote:

>

> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM

> installed on their network.

>

> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM

> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book

> paradigm?



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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

Actually, a call is being set up between my guys and Ashish at Adobe.  I'll 
leave it in their hands

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From: Framers 
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Behalf Of Jo H
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 7:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi John,

Maybe a few aspects of the replies by Peter Gold and others went unnoticed.
Maybe my suggestion already fails at step 1, but would the be following be an 
option?

#1
Ask IT for a spare computer with a local admin account. That computer doesn't 
need network or internet access at any time.

#2
Install FM11 from the original install media and start a 30-day trial.
No internet connection is required for that. (I've been  able to the same on a 
virtual machine without internet access, using my original Adobe Technical 
Communication Suite 4 DVDs.) FM appears to be fully functional during the trial 
period.

#3
Save all your .book and .fm files in MIF 7.0 format and any other formats that 
might be useful.

#4
>From here, you can take any route with the exported documents. If you want to 
>continue using FM for future edits, FrameMaker version 8 might be a good 
>option because it could be activated by phone. Ask Adobe support if phone 
>activation of FM8 is still available, and if yes, whether they can migrate 
>your existing FM11 license to FM8 given the circumstances. An installer for 
>FM8 installer is still available for download from the Adobe website. Your IT 
>department should find a way to download and install FM8 for you.

Regards,
Jo H

Am Mo., 11. Feb. 2019 um 19:29 Uhr schrieb :
>
> If I could install FM11, I wouldn't be going through this.
>
> Guys...the focus seems to keep coming back to the export process. I got that. 
> Without a working application installed, everything else is moot.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com
> ] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:25 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> He's got Frame 11, sort of. If he could get that working again, he could use 
> Mif2Go to export the MIF files to a number of formats, including Word, with 
> all the styles intact.
>
> Given the IT and AML compliance, though, I don't know if that'd be possible 
> for him.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:20 PM Peter Gold 
> 
> wrote:
>
> > Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.
> >
> > Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save 
> > as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network 
> > supports, then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done 
> > by a service?
> >
> > If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate 
> > network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF 
> > Filter for Adobe InDesign 
> > <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to convert MIF files 
> > InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the conversion 
> > retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and 
> > specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like 
> > > FM installed on their network.
> > >
> > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open 
> > > native FM
> > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the 
> > > book paradigm?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Jo H]

Hi John,

Maybe a few aspects of the replies by Peter Gold and others went unnoticed.
Maybe my suggestion already fails at step 1, but would the be
following be an option?

#1
Ask IT for a spare computer with a local admin account. That computer
doesn't need network or internet access at any time.

#2
Install FM11 from the original install media and start a 30-day trial.
No internet connection is required for that. (I've been  able to the
same on a virtual machine without internet access, using my original
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 4 DVDs.) FM appears to be fully
functional during the trial period.

#3
Save all your .book and .fm files in MIF 7.0 format and any other
formats that might be useful.

#4
>From here, you can take any route with the exported documents. If you
want to continue using FM for future edits, FrameMaker version 8 might
be a good option because it could be activated by phone. Ask Adobe
support if phone activation of FM8 is still available, and if yes,
whether they can migrate your existing FM11 license to FM8 given the
circumstances. An installer for FM8 installer is still available for
download from the Adobe website. Your IT department should find a way
to download and install FM8 for you.

Regards,
Jo H

Am Mo., 11. Feb. 2019 um 19:29 Uhr schrieb :
>
> If I could install FM11, I wouldn't be going through this.
>
> Guys...the focus seems to keep coming back to the export process. I got that. 
> Without a working application installed, everything else is moot.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:25 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> He's got Frame 11, sort of. If he could get that working again, he could use 
> Mif2Go to export the MIF files to a number of formats, including Word, with 
> all the styles intact.
>
> Given the IT and AML compliance, though, I don't know if that'd be possible 
> for him.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:20 PM Peter Gold 
> wrote:
>
> > Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.
> >
> > Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
> > MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
> > supports, then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done 
> > by a service?
> >
> > If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> > network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
> > Filter for Adobe InDesign
> > <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to convert MIF files
> > InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the conversion
> > retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and specifications,
> > and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > > installed on their network.
> > >
> > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
> > > native FM
> > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the
> > > book paradigm?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Robert Lauriston]

MadCap Flare can open FrameMaker files. The PDF output might require
some tweaking. Get a 30-day free trial and see.

Same story for RoboHelp.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> installed on their network.
>
> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> paradigm?
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

No no No no No no

INSTANT termination.   

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Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

I expect that'd be a very bad idea. He works for a bank.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth < 
jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote:

> I'm presuming taking a copy of the FM docs off site, installing FM & 
> creating MIF or PDFs or HTML (or XML for that matter) is out of the 
> question too?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of 
> john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:34 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.
>
> Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know, 
> within reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)...
> All I would need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there.
> You can use my name, but you cannot use my bank's name.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is 
> aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new 
> format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the 
> information conveyed?
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:
>
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that 
> > kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but 
> > typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have 
> > FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate 
> > application for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that 
> > > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who 
> > > are FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, John:
> > >>
> > >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would 
> > >> have to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone 
> > >> home to Adobe. I use ID
> > >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are 
> > >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks 
> > >> on the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid 
> > >> having to slog through this effort going forward?
> > >>
> > >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of 
> > >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the 
> > >> computing environments where it's used have become serious 
> > >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's 
> > >>> the
> > >> issue.
> > >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to 
> > >>> make their edits.
> > >>>
> > >>> The

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

I expect that'd be a very bad idea. He works for a bank.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth <
jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote:

> I'm presuming taking a copy of the FM docs off site, installing FM &
> creating MIF or PDFs or HTML (or XML for that matter) is out of the
> question too?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:34 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.
>
> Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know,
> within reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)...
> All I would need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there.
> You can use my name, but you cannot use my bank's name.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is
> aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new
> format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the information
> conveyed?
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:
>
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that
> > kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but
> > typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have
> > FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate
> > application for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that
> > > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who are
> > > FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, John:
> > >>
> > >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have
> > >> to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
> > >> Adobe. I use ID
> > >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are
> > >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on
> > >> the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having
> > >> to slog through this effort going forward?
> > >>
> > >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> > >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
> > >> computing environments where it's used have become serious
> > >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's
> > >>> the
> > >> issue.
> > >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to
> > >>> make their edits.
> > >>>
> > >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > >>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> > >> connecting
> > >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation
> > >>> does nothing.
&g

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Jeff Coatsworth]

I'm presuming taking a copy of the FM docs off site, installing FM & creating 
MIF or PDFs or HTML (or XML for that matter) is out of the question too?

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:34 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.

Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know, within 
reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)... All I would 
need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there. You can use my 
name, but you cannot use my bank's name.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is aware of 
a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new format. Do you 
want me to? And if so, how would you like the information conveyed?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:

> I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that 
> kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
>
> What do I know. Thanks everyone
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but 
> typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have 
> FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
>
> FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate 
> application for migration.
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that 
> > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who are 
> > FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, John:
> >>
> >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have 
> >> to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to 
> >> Adobe. I use ID
> >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >>
> >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are 
> >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on 
> >> the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having 
> >> to slog through this effort going forward?
> >>
> >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of 
> >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the 
> >> computing environments where it's used have become serious 
> >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's 
> >>> the
> >> issue.
> >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to 
> >>> make their edits.
> >>>
> >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be 
> >>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> >> connecting
> >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> >>>
> >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation 
> >>> does nothing.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> >>> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> >>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> >>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured 
> >>> files
> >>>
> >>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> >> confusion.
> >>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, 

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.

Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know, within 
reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)... All I would 
need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there. You can use my 
name, but you cannot use my bank's name.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is aware of 
a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new format. Do you 
want me to? And if so, how would you like the information conveyed?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:

> I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that 
> kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
>
> What do I know. Thanks everyone
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but 
> typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have 
> FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
>
> FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate 
> application for migration.
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that 
> > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who are 
> > FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, John:
> >>
> >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have 
> >> to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to 
> >> Adobe. I use ID
> >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >>
> >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are 
> >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on 
> >> the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having 
> >> to slog through this effort going forward?
> >>
> >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of 
> >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the 
> >> computing environments where it's used have become serious 
> >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's 
> >>> the
> >> issue.
> >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to 
> >>> make their edits.
> >>>
> >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be 
> >>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> >> connecting
> >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> >>>
> >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation 
> >>> does nothing.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> >>> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> >>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> >>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured 
> >>> files
> >>>
> >>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> >> confusion.
> >>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, 
> >>> save as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate 
> >>> network
> >> supports,
> >>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by 
> >>> a service?
> >>>
> >>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate 
> >>> network, a round-about approach could be 

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is
aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new
format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the information
conveyed?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:

> I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that kicks
> FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
>
> What do I know. Thanks everyone
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but
> typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have
> FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
>
> FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application
> for migration.
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody
> > has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users
> > but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, John:
> >>
> >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to
> >> be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
> >> Adobe. I use ID
> >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >>
> >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable
> >> on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list
> >> think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog
> >> through this effort going forward?
> >>
> >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
> >> computing environments where it's used have become serious
> >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
> >> issue.
> >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make
> >>> their edits.
> >>>
> >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> >>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> >> connecting
> >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> >>>
> >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> >>> nothing.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> >>> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> >>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> >>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >>>
> >>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> >> confusion.
> >>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save
> >>> as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
> >> supports,
> >>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> >>> service?
> >>>
> >>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> >>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
> >> Filter
> >>> for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to
> >>> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and
> >>> abilities,
> >> the
> >>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> >>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> >>>
> >>> HTH
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like
> >>>> FM installed on their network.
> >>>&

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

Excellent points, Scott and Rick. Someday I hope to be able to migrate to
XML, but that day isn't going to be soon, I think. Small company, training
time, you know the drill.

It's too bad for John that it sounds as if he's stuck between a rock and a
hard place. I wish I knew of a way to get him out of it, but if his files
are unstructured binary Frame, he's stuck. I am unaware of any program that
imports Frame that wouldn't cause him the same issues he's having now. 🙁

(Mind you, that doesn't mean there isn't one, just that I've yet to come
across it.)

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:07 PM Scott Prentice  wrote:

> Excellent point, Rick! But one clarification. Migrating from
> unstructured to structured FM does not necessarily give you XML files.
> You may just have structured FM binary files which results in the same
> problem that John is running into. However, if you do convert all the
> way to XML, and maintain your source as XML, you are free to switch
> tools at a moment's notice.
>
> Another option (someone may have mentioned this, I haven't read the
> entire thread) .. would be to export to MIF at specific points along
> your workflow. There are tools to convert from MIF to other formats.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/11/19 12:50 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> > For anyone else that may find themselves in a similar situation: this is
> an
> > advantage of migrating your unstructured FrameMaker files to structured
> > FrameMaker. Then you will have vendor-neutral XML files in case you
> decide
> > to move away from FrameMaker in the future.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers 
> On
> > Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:15 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that
> kicks
> > FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> > [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but
> typically
> > when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have FrameMaker
> > available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application
> > for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> >> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody
> >> has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users
> >> but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi, John:
> >>>
> >>> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to
> >>> be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
> >>> Adobe. I use ID
> >>> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable
> >>> on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list
> >>> think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog
> >>> through this effort going forward?
> >>>
> >>> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> >>> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
> >>> computing environments where it's used have become serious
> >>> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
> >>> issue.
> >>>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make
> >>>> their edits.
> >>>>
> >>>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> >>>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> >&

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Scott Prentice]

Excellent point, Rick! But one clarification. Migrating from 
unstructured to structured FM does not necessarily give you XML files. 
You may just have structured FM binary files which results in the same 
problem that John is running into. However, if you do convert all the 
way to XML, and maintain your source as XML, you are free to switch 
tools at a moment's notice.


Another option (someone may have mentioned this, I haven't read the 
entire thread) .. would be to export to MIF at specific points along 
your workflow. There are tools to convert from MIF to other formats.


Cheers,
...scott


On 2/11/19 12:50 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

For anyone else that may find themselves in a similar situation: this is an
advantage of migrating your unstructured FrameMaker files to structured
FrameMaker. Then you will have vendor-neutral XML files in case you decide
to move away from FrameMaker in the future.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:15 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that kicks
FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.

What do I know. Thanks everyone

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but typically
when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have FrameMaker
available to export to a neutral format.

FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application
for migration.

...scott


On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:

This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody
has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users
but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold

wrote:


Hi, John:

My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to
be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
Adobe. I use ID
CS6 standalone/non-subscription.

Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable
on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list
think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog
through this effort going forward?

Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
computing environments where it's used have become serious
considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:


Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the

issue.

I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make
their edits.

The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by

connecting

to Adobe, and that's a problem.

BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
nothing.

-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any

confusion.

Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save
as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network

supports,

then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
service?

If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF

Filter

for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to
convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and
abilities,

the

conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.

HTH


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:


Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like
FM installed on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the
book paradigm?

Thanks

--
John Posada
___

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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Rick Quatro]

For anyone else that may find themselves in a similar situation: this is an
advantage of migrating your unstructured FrameMaker files to structured
FrameMaker. Then you will have vendor-neutral XML files in case you decide
to move away from FrameMaker in the future.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:15 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that kicks
FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.

What do I know. Thanks everyone

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but typically
when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have FrameMaker
available to export to a neutral format.

FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application
for migration.

...scott


On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody 
> has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users 
> but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, John:
>>
>> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to 
>> be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to 
>> Adobe. I use ID
>> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
>>
>> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable 
>> on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list 
>> think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog 
>> through this effort going forward?
>>
>> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of 
>> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the 
>> computing environments where it's used have become serious 
>> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
>> issue.
>>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make 
>>> their edits.
>>>
>>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be 
>>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
>> connecting
>>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
>>>
>>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does 
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-
>>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
>>> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
>>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>>>
>>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
>> confusion.
>>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save 
>>> as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
>> supports,
>>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a 
>>> service?
>>>
>>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate 
>>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
>> Filter
>>> for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to 
>>> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and 
>>> abilities,
>> the
>>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and 
>>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like 
>>>> FM installed on their network.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open 
>>>> native FM
>>>> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the 
>>>>

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Caroline Tabach]

In recent exports from Adobe, styles were kept, but maybe you need the
whole program, not just Acrobat reader

Caroline Tabach

בתאריך יום ב׳, 11 בפבר׳ 2019, 19:50, מאת ‏:

> Thanks Lin.
>
> I need to retain the style definitions...Having everything Normal would be
> a liability.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:37 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> I think you'll have to talk to Adobe, and probably you'll need your IT
> people to talk to Adobe. To my knowledge, there is no way to edit a
> FrameMaker file without using the FrameMaker application. They're a binary
> format, and there's no method of extracting even the text from them. Used
> to be you could use FrameViewer to at least read them, but I believe that
> product was discontinued around the time Adobe bought Frame Technology.
>
> If you already have PDFs of the files and the Adobe Acrobat application
> (not the Adobe Reader), you can export the documents to Word. You lose the
> formatting information (everything is variations of 'Normal') but not the
> appearance that you created.
> --
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Fred Ridder]

The application to use for exporting FrameMaker files to a format that is 
compatible with some other tool is FrameMaker. Absent that, there may be no 
solution.

-FR


From: Framers  on 
behalf of John Posada 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:57 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody has
come along and offered an application for people who are FM users but want
to migrate to another vendor for some reason.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Hi, John:
>
> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to be an
> early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I use ID
> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
>
> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable on the
> corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is the best
> one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort going
> forward?
>
> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of technical
> writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing
> environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so, to
> wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
> issue.
> > I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their
> > edits.
> >
> > The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> connecting
> > to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> >
> > BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> > nothing.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> confusion.
> >
> > Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
> > MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
> supports,
> > then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> > service?
> >
> > If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> > network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
> Filter
> > for Adobe InDesign 
> > <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dtptools.com%2Fproduct.asp%3Fid%3Dmfid&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb9c6da7d667a4990befc08d69052dc63%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636855082885812570&sdata=Q%2BRaAO81i%2B1vjHIViXlXonDgWkKb27k24UX8o4Z%2BZFg%3D&reserved=0>
> >  to
> > convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities,
> the
> > conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> > specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > > installed on their network.
> > >
> > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > > FM
> > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > > paradigm?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > John Posada
> > > ___
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

Adobe provides the ability to use FrameMaker to export to a number of
different formats that are useable by other applications, including export
into Word. It's hardly their responsibility to get other companies to
create import filters for Adobe proprietary formats.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:12 PM  wrote:

> How many people, based on company policy, have not embraced FM because
> there wasn't a migration path to another vendor so as not to be locked into
> a proprietary platform
>
> When I went the FM way, if I'd known, I would have gone a different way. I
> just assumed.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:05 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> One thing that might inform the long view is "If it ain't broke...," so
> there may be lots of individuals and small and large companies still
> chugging along with perfectly-operating back versions of FrameMaker on
> well-enough operating Windows-compatible machines or virtual-machine
> emulators, even, can-you-even-think-it...UNIX.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:57 PM John Posada  wrote:
>
> > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody
> > has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users
> > but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, John:
> > >
> > > My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have
> > > to be
> > an
> > > early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I
> > > use
> > ID
> > > CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> > >
> > > Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable
> > > on
> > the
> > > corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is
> > > the
> > best
> > > one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort
> > going
> > > forward?
> > >
> > > Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> > technical
> > > writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing
> > > environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so,
> > > to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's
> > > > the
> > > issue.
> > > > I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to
> > > > make
> > their
> > > > edits.
> > > >
> > > > The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > > > installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> > > connecting
> > > > to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > > >
> > > > BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation
> > > > does nothing.
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > > > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > > > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured
> > > > files
> > > >
> > > > Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> > > confusion.
> > > >
> > > > Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine,
> > > > save as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate
> > > > network
> > > supports,
> > > > then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by
> > > > a service?
> > > >
> > > > If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> > > > network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools -
> > > > MIF
> > > Filter
> > > > for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid>
> > > > to convert MIF files InDesign. Within 

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that kicks FM's 
butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.

What do I know. Thanks everyone

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but typically 
when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have FrameMaker available 
to export to a neutral format.

FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application for 
migration.

...scott


On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody 
> has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users 
> but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, John:
>>
>> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to 
>> be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to 
>> Adobe. I use ID
>> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
>>
>> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable 
>> on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list 
>> think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog 
>> through this effort going forward?
>>
>> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of 
>> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the 
>> computing environments where it's used have become serious 
>> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
>> issue.
>>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make 
>>> their edits.
>>>
>>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be 
>>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
>> connecting
>>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
>>>
>>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does 
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-
>>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
>>> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
>>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>>>
>>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
>> confusion.
>>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save 
>>> as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
>> supports,
>>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a 
>>> service?
>>>
>>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate 
>>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
>> Filter
>>> for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to 
>>> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and 
>>> abilities,
>> the
>>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and 
>>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like 
>>>> FM installed on their network.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open 
>>>> native FM
>>>> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the 
>>>> book paradigm?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John Posada
>>>> ___
>>>>
>>>> This message is from the Framers mailing list
>>>>
>>>> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's 
>>>> homepage at  http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at 
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameus

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

How many people, based on company policy, have not embraced FM because there 
wasn't a migration path to another vendor so as not to be locked into a 
proprietary platform 

When I went the FM way, if I'd known, I would have gone a different way. I just 
assumed.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:05 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

One thing that might inform the long view is "If it ain't broke...," so there 
may be lots of individuals and small and large companies still chugging along 
with perfectly-operating back versions of FrameMaker on well-enough operating 
Windows-compatible machines or virtual-machine emulators, even, 
can-you-even-think-it...UNIX.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:57 PM John Posada  wrote:

> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody 
> has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users 
> but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi, John:
> >
> > My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have 
> > to be
> an
> > early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I 
> > use
> ID
> > CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >
> > Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable 
> > on
> the
> > corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is 
> > the
> best
> > one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort
> going
> > forward?
> >
> > Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> technical
> > writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing 
> > environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so, 
> > to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's 
> > > the
> > issue.
> > > I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to 
> > > make
> their
> > > edits.
> > >
> > > The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be 
> > > installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> > connecting
> > > to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > >
> > > BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation 
> > > does nothing.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> > > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured 
> > > files
> > >
> > > Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> > confusion.
> > >
> > > Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, 
> > > save as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate 
> > > network
> > supports,
> > > then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by 
> > > a service?
> > >
> > > If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate 
> > > network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - 
> > > MIF
> > Filter
> > > for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> 
> > > to convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and 
> > > abilities,
> > the
> > > conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and 
> > > specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't 
> > > > like FM installed on their network.
> > > >
> > > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
> native
> > > > FM
> > > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the 
> > > > book paradigm?
> > > >
> >

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Scott Prentice]

This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but 
typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have 
FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.


FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate 
application for migration.


...scott


On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:

This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody has
come along and offered an application for people who are FM users but want
to migrate to another vendor for some reason.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:


Hi, John:

My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to be an
early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I use ID
CS6 standalone/non-subscription.

Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable on the
corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is the best
one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort going
forward?

Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of technical
writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing
environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so, to
wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:


Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the

issue.

I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their
edits.

The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by

connecting

to Adobe, and that's a problem.

BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
nothing.

-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any

confusion.

Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network

supports,

then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
service?

If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF

Filter

for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to
convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities,

the

conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.

HTH


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:


Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
installed on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
paradigm?

Thanks

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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Peter Gold]

One thing that might inform the long view is "If it ain't broke...," so
there may be lots of individuals and small and large companies still
chugging along with perfectly-operating back versions of FrameMaker on
well-enough operating Windows-compatible machines or virtual-machine
emulators, even, can-you-even-think-it...UNIX.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:57 PM John Posada  wrote:

> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody has
> come along and offered an application for people who are FM users but want
> to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi, John:
> >
> > My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to be
> an
> > early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I use
> ID
> > CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> >
> > Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable on
> the
> > corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is the
> best
> > one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort
> going
> > forward?
> >
> > Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> technical
> > writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing
> > environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so, to
> > wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
> > issue.
> > > I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make
> their
> > > edits.
> > >
> > > The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > > installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> > connecting
> > > to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > >
> > > BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> > > nothing.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> > >
> > > Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> > confusion.
> > >
> > > Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
> > > MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
> > supports,
> > > then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> > > service?
> > >
> > > If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> > > network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
> > Filter
> > > for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to
> > > convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities,
> > the
> > > conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> > > specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > > > installed on their network.
> > > >
> > > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
> native
> > > > FM
> > > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > > > paradigm?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[John Posada]

This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody has
come along and offered an application for people who are FM users but want
to migrate to another vendor for some reason.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Hi, John:
>
> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to be an
> early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I use ID
> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
>
> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable on the
> corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is the best
> one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort going
> forward?
>
> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of technical
> writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing
> environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so, to
> wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
> issue.
> > I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their
> > edits.
> >
> > The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> connecting
> > to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> >
> > BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> > nothing.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> confusion.
> >
> > Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
> > MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
> supports,
> > then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> > service?
> >
> > If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> > network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
> Filter
> > for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to
> > convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities,
> the
> > conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> > specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > > installed on their network.
> > >
> > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > > FM
> > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > > paradigm?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Peter Gold]

Hi, John:

My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to be an
early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I use ID
CS6 standalone/non-subscription.

Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable on the
corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list think is the best
one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog through this effort going
forward?

Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of technical
writing and publishing. However, security issues in the computing
environments where it's used have become serious considerations, so, to
wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:

> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the issue.
> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their
> edits.
>
> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by connecting
> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
>
> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> nothing.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.
>
> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
> MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network supports,
> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> service?
>
> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF Filter
> for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to
> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the
> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > installed on their network.
> >
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > FM
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > paradigm?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

It may be necessary for IT and Adobe to work together to enable FrameMaker,
since Adobe requires the "phone home" and IT controls that capability. If
that isn't possible, then no, there is no way to open or edit the
FrameMaker documents you already have.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:26 PM  wrote:

> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the issue.
> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their
> edits.
>
> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by connecting
> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
>
> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
> nothing.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.
>
> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as
> MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network supports,
> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
> service?
>
> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF Filter
> for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to
> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the
> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > installed on their network.
> >
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > FM
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > paradigm?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

If I could install FM11, I wouldn't be going through this.

Guys...the focus seems to keep coming back to the export process. I got that. 
Without a working application installed, everything else is moot.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:25 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

He's got Frame 11, sort of. If he could get that working again, he could use 
Mif2Go to export the MIF files to a number of formats, including Word, with all 
the styles intact.

Given the IT and AML compliance, though, I don't know if that'd be possible for 
him.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:20 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.
>
> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as 
> MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network 
> supports, then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by 
> a service?
>
> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate 
> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF 
> Filter for Adobe InDesign 
> <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to convert MIF files 
> InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the conversion 
> retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and specifications, 
> and does its best to emulate page layouts.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM 
> > installed on their network.
> >
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open 
> > native FM
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the 
> > book paradigm?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the issue. I 
got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their edits. 

The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be installed on 
a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by connecting to Adobe, and 
that's a problem.

BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does nothing.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.

Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as MIF, and 
export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network supports, then copy 
these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a service?

If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate network, a 
round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF Filter for Adobe 
InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to convert MIF files 
InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the conversion retains 
most, FrameMaker text formatting features and specifications, and does its best 
to emulate page layouts.

HTH


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:

> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM 
> installed on their network.
>
> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native 
> FM
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

He's got Frame 11, sort of. If he could get that working again, he could
use Mif2Go to export the MIF files to a number of formats, including Word,
with all the styles intact.

Given the IT and AML compliance, though, I don't know if that'd be possible
for him.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:20 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.
>
> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as MIF,
> and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network supports, then
> copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a service?
>
> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate network,
> a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF Filter for
> Adobe InDesign  to convert
> MIF
> files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the
> conversion retains
> most, FrameMaker text formatting features and specifications, and does its
> best to emulate page layouts.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:
>
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > installed on their network.
> >
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > paradigm?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Peter Gold]

Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.

Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as MIF,
and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network supports, then
copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a service?

If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate network,
a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF Filter for
Adobe InDesign  to convert MIF
files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and abilities, the
conversion retains
most, FrameMaker text formatting features and specifications, and does its
best to emulate page layouts.

HTH


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada  wrote:

> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> installed on their network.
>
> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> paradigm?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

Thanks Lin.

I need to retain the style definitions...Having everything Normal would be a 
liability.

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Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:37 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

I think you'll have to talk to Adobe, and probably you'll need your IT people 
to talk to Adobe. To my knowledge, there is no way to edit a FrameMaker file 
without using the FrameMaker application. They're a binary format, and there's 
no method of extracting even the text from them. Used to be you could use 
FrameViewer to at least read them, but I believe that product was discontinued 
around the time Adobe bought Frame Technology.

If you already have PDFs of the files and the Adobe Acrobat application (not 
the Adobe Reader), you can export the documents to Word. You lose the 
formatting information (everything is variations of 'Normal') but not the 
appearance that you created.
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lin Sims]

I think you'll have to talk to Adobe, and probably you'll need your IT
people to talk to Adobe. To my knowledge, there is no way to edit a
FrameMaker file without using the FrameMaker application. They're a binary
format, and there's no method of extracting even the text from them. Used
to be you could use FrameViewer to at least read them, but I believe that
product was discontinued around the time Adobe bought Frame Technology.

If you already have PDFs of the files and the Adobe Acrobat application
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appearance that you created.
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[John Posada]

I cannot install or download anything.


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:45 AM Lea Rush  wrote:

> How about installing a trial version, exporting, and uninstalling?
>
> Lea
>
>
> Lea Rush
> Senior Software and Documentation Specialist
> Astoria-Pacific
> www.astoria-pacific.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+lea=
> astoria-pacific@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:43 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Here's the deal.
>
> I've been using FM11 for over 5 years. I have multiple books...maybe 50,
> with some books 500-600 pages each.
>
> Last October I suffered a laptop crash and all my applications needed to be
> reloaded. However, due to network and security changes, they were
> unsuccessful in getting FM11 to install, so they tried upgrading to the
> latest version...and this has been going on since October.
>
> I no long need FM to do my current deliverable, but there are instances
> where I need to make update changes to existing books.
>
> SO...I need access to the FM files to make changes...once I have access, I
> would probably export to Word, but to do anything with them, I need to be
> able to open them.
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:35 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:
>
> > You may want to consider PDF for a visual representation of the files and
> > MIF (Maker Interchange Format) for a text-based representation of the
> > content. MIF is would mainly be useful for recovering the content in
> > FrameMaker in the future if you needed to. Convert the files to MIF,
> > archive
> > them, and uninstall FrameMaker.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers 
> > On
> > Behalf Of John Posada
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:12 AM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > How about just ingesting the files and converting to another
> formatting...I
> > won't need to go back to FM on these
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:02 AM Rick Quatro 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your
> > > company, but the people that don't like FM installed on their network
> > > are idiots. If FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content
> > > for them, why wouldn't they want it installed on their network?
> > >
> > > No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with
> > > unstructured FrameMaker documents.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > Rick Quatro
> > > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > > r...@frameexpert.com
> > > 585-729-6746
> > > www.frameexpert.com/store/
> > >
> > > Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers
> > > 
> > > On
> > > Behalf Of John Posada
> > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
> > > To: FrameUsers List 
> > > Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> > >
> > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > > installed on their network.
> > >
> > > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > > FM
> > > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > > paradigm?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Lea Rush]

How about installing a trial version, exporting, and uninstalling?

Lea


Lea Rush
Senior Software and Documentation Specialist 
Astoria-Pacific 
www.astoria-pacific.com

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+lea=astoria-pacific@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of John Posada
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:43 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Here's the deal.

I've been using FM11 for over 5 years. I have multiple books...maybe 50,
with some books 500-600 pages each.

Last October I suffered a laptop crash and all my applications needed to be
reloaded. However, due to network and security changes, they were
unsuccessful in getting FM11 to install, so they tried upgrading to the
latest version...and this has been going on since October.

I no long need FM to do my current deliverable, but there are instances
where I need to make update changes to existing books.

SO...I need access to the FM files to make changes...once I have access, I
would probably export to Word, but to do anything with them, I need to be
able to open them.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:35 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> You may want to consider PDF for a visual representation of the files and
> MIF (Maker Interchange Format) for a text-based representation of the
> content. MIF is would mainly be useful for recovering the content in
> FrameMaker in the future if you needed to. Convert the files to MIF,
> archive
> them, and uninstall FrameMaker.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On
> Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:12 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> How about just ingesting the files and converting to another formatting...I
> won't need to go back to FM on these
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:02 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your
> > company, but the people that don't like FM installed on their network
> > are idiots. If FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content
> > for them, why wouldn't they want it installed on their network?
> >
> > No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with
> > unstructured FrameMaker documents.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > r...@frameexpert.com
> > 585-729-6746
> > www.frameexpert.com/store/
> >
> > Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> > 
> > On
> > Behalf Of John Posada
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
> > To: FrameUsers List 
> > Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > installed on their network.
> >
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > FM
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > paradigm?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[John Posada]

Here's the deal.

I've been using FM11 for over 5 years. I have multiple books...maybe 50,
with some books 500-600 pages each.

Last October I suffered a laptop crash and all my applications needed to be
reloaded. However, due to network and security changes, they were
unsuccessful in getting FM11 to install, so they tried upgrading to the
latest version...and this has been going on since October.

I no long need FM to do my current deliverable, but there are instances
where I need to make update changes to existing books.

SO...I need access to the FM files to make changes...once I have access, I
would probably export to Word, but to do anything with them, I need to be
able to open them.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:35 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> You may want to consider PDF for a visual representation of the files and
> MIF (Maker Interchange Format) for a text-based representation of the
> content. MIF is would mainly be useful for recovering the content in
> FrameMaker in the future if you needed to. Convert the files to MIF,
> archive
> them, and uninstall FrameMaker.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On
> Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:12 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> How about just ingesting the files and converting to another formatting...I
> won't need to go back to FM on these
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:02 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your
> > company, but the people that don't like FM installed on their network
> > are idiots. If FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content
> > for them, why wouldn't they want it installed on their network?
> >
> > No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with
> > unstructured FrameMaker documents.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > r...@frameexpert.com
> > 585-729-6746
> > www.frameexpert.com/store/
> >
> > Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> > 
> > On
> > Behalf Of John Posada
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
> > To: FrameUsers List 
> > Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> > installed on their network.
> >
> > Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native
> > FM
> > 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> > paradigm?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Johan Anglemark]

Have you talked to Adobe? Your situation is far from unique, maybe they 
have a solution for you?


-j

On 2019-02-11 16:08, john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com wrote:

As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down, among other 
reasons, they have issues with any application where the workstation needs to connect to 
the "mothership" over the internet, even if it is for an authorization.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:02 AM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi John,

Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company, but 
the people that don't like FM installed on their network are *. If 
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why wouldn't 
they want it installed on their network?

No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured 
FrameMaker documents.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-729-6746
www.frameexpert.com/store/

Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com



-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
To: FrameUsers List 
Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed 
on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book paradigm?

Thanks

--
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Rick Quatro]

You may want to consider PDF for a visual representation of the files and
MIF (Maker Interchange Format) for a text-based representation of the
content. MIF is would mainly be useful for recovering the content in
FrameMaker in the future if you needed to. Convert the files to MIF, archive
them, and uninstall FrameMaker.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:12 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

How about just ingesting the files and converting to another formatting...I
won't need to go back to FM on these

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:02 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your 
> company, but the people that don't like FM installed on their network 
> are idiots. If FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content 
> for them, why wouldn't they want it installed on their network?
>
> No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with 
> unstructured FrameMaker documents.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Quatro
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> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-729-6746
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>
> Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> 
> On
> Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
> To: FrameUsers List 
> Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM 
> installed on their network.
>
> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native 
> FM
> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book 
> paradigm?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

No worries, man...all good.

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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

I am sorry for using that derogatory term. It was unprofessional and uncalled 
for. Please forgive me, John.

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down, among 
other reasons, they have issues with any application where the workstation 
needs to connect to the "mothership" over the internet, even if it is for an 
authorization.

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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi John,

Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company, but 
the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If 
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why wouldn't 
they want it installed on their network?

No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured 
FrameMaker documents.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-729-6746
www.frameexpert.com/store/

Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com



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From: Framers  On 
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
To: FrameUsers List 
Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed 
on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book paradigm?

Thanks

--
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Rick Quatro]

I am sorry for using that derogatory term. It was unprofessional and
uncalled for. Please forgive me, John.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:09 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down,
among other reasons, they have issues with any application where the
workstation needs to connect to the "mothership" over the internet, even if
it is for an authorization.

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From: Framers
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Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:02 AM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi John,

Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company,
but the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why
wouldn't they want it installed on their network?

No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured
FrameMaker documents.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-729-6746
www.frameexpert.com/store/

Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com



-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
To: FrameUsers List 
Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
installed on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
paradigm?

Thanks

--
John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Harding, Dan]

Dumb question, not being integrally familiar with FM's version history, but 
with what version did the "phone home for activation" requirement start? I 
didn't think it was until the last few versions. Is there a perpetually 
licensed FM version that doesn't phone home that you could get by with using?

-Dan

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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down, among 
other reasons, they have issues with any application where the workstation 
needs to connect to the "mothership" over the internet, even if it is for an 
authorization.

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Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:02 AM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi John,

Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company, but 
the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If 
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why wouldn't 
they want it installed on their network?

No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured 
FrameMaker documents.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-729-6746
www.frameexpert.com/store/

Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com



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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
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Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed 
on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book paradigm?

Thanks

--
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[John Posada]

How about just ingesting the files and converting to another formatting...I
won't need to go back to FM on these

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:02 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company,
> but the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If
> FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why
> wouldn't they want it installed on their network?
>
> No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured
> FrameMaker documents.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-729-6746
> www.frameexpert.com/store/
>
> Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On
> Behalf Of John Posada
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
> To: FrameUsers List 
> Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> installed on their network.
>
> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
> paradigm?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> John Posada
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[john . x . posada]

As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down, among 
other reasons, they have issues with any application where the workstation 
needs to connect to the "mothership" over the internet, even if it is for an 
authorization.

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Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:02 AM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi John,

Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company, but 
the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If 
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why wouldn't 
they want it installed on their network?

No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured 
FrameMaker documents.

Rick

Rick Quatro
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r...@frameexpert.com
585-729-6746
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
To: FrameUsers List 
Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed 
on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book paradigm?

Thanks

--
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Rick Quatro]

Hi John,

Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company,
but the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why
wouldn't they want it installed on their network?

No, there is no tool besides FrameMaker that will work with unstructured
FrameMaker documents.

Rick

Rick Quatro
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Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
installed on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
paradigm?

Thanks

--
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Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Lol - nope!

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Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed 
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Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book paradigm?

Thanks

--
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[Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

[John Posada]

Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
installed on their network.

Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
paradigm?

Thanks

-- 
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