Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link

[Robert Lauriston]

Except for "message URL" the mailto link is standard stuff, nothing
specific to FrameMaker. There are lots of tutorials, references, etc.
online:

https://www.google.com/search?q=mailto+links

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 4:30 PM  wrote:
>
> Hi Alison,
>
> Yes you can. Here is an example of the format for the hypertext message
> marker: message URL mailto:supp...@tricerat.com?subject=Customer Support
> Inquiry
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Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link

[tammyvb]

My pleasure. Lord knows that I have been saved way too many times to count by 
this list, so it feels good to be able to go the other way -

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link
> 
> Thanks Tammy!
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> Sent: April 13, 2022 4:31 PM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link
> 
> Hi Alison,
> 
> Yes you can. Here is an example of the format for the hypertext message
> marker: message URL mailto:supp...@tricerat.com?subject=Customer
> Support Inquiry
> 
> TVB
> 
> 
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> Principal/Owner
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> 303-840-1755
> 
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> > From: Framers  > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > Behalf Of acr...@shaw.ca
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> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link
> >
> >
> >
> > This may not be possible in Frame (2020), but in Word I can include an
> e-mail
> > link and format it such that when the new e-mail opens, the Subject
> > line includes what I want (in this case, the word "Documentation" as I
> > am
> inviting
> > people to ask questions or provide feedback and suggestions about the
> > documentation).
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you do this Frame? If so how?
> >
> >
> >
> > If it's covered in the manual, they've hidden it well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Alison
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Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link

[acraig]

Thanks Tammy!



-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
Sent: April 13, 2022 4:31 PM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'

Subject: Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link

Hi Alison,

Yes you can. Here is an example of the format for the hypertext message
marker: message URL mailto:supp...@tricerat.com?subject=Customer Support
Inquiry

TVB



Tammy Van Boening
Principal/Owner
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
303-840-1755

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> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 5:05 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link
> 
> 
> 
> This may not be possible in Frame (2020), but in Word I can include an
e-mail
> link and format it such that when the new e-mail opens, the Subject 
> line includes what I want (in this case, the word "Documentation" as I 
> am
inviting
> people to ask questions or provide feedback and suggestions about the 
> documentation).
> 
> 
> 
> Can you do this Frame? If so how?
> 
> 
> 
> If it's covered in the manual, they've hidden it well.
> 
> 
> 
> Alison
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Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link

[tammyvb]

Hi Alison,

Yes you can. Here is an example of the format for the hypertext message
marker: message URL mailto:supp...@tricerat.com?subject=Customer Support
Inquiry

TVB



Tammy Van Boening
Principal/Owner
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
303-840-1755

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> Behalf Of acr...@shaw.ca
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 5:05 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link
> 
> 
> 
> This may not be possible in Frame (2020), but in Word I can include an
e-mail
> link and format it such that when the new e-mail opens, the Subject line
> includes what I want (in this case, the word "Documentation" as I am
inviting
> people to ask questions or provide feedback and suggestions about the
> documentation).
> 
> 
> 
> Can you do this Frame? If so how?
> 
> 
> 
> If it's covered in the manual, they've hidden it well.
> 
> 
> 
> Alison
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Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link

[nuhDEEN]

 I haven't used FM in a long time, but I was curious. Could it be something 
like what's described in this? 
https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker-discussions/using-variables-in-mailto-hyperlinks/m-p/9392318
Nadine
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 07:04:47 p.m. EDT, acr...@shaw.ca 
 wrote:  
 
  

This may not be possible in Frame (2020), but in Word I can include an
e-mail link and format it such that when the new e-mail opens, the Subject
line includes what I want (in this case, the word "Documentation" as I am
inviting people to ask questions or provide feedback and suggestions about
the documentation).

 

Can you do this Frame? If so how? 

 

If it's covered in the manual, they've hidden it well.

 

Alison 

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[Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link

[acraig]

 

This may not be possible in Frame (2020), but in Word I can include an
e-mail link and format it such that when the new e-mail opens, the Subject
line includes what I want (in this case, the word "Documentation" as I am
inviting people to ask questions or provide feedback and suggestions about
the documentation).

 

Can you do this Frame? If so how? 

 

If it's covered in the manual, they've hidden it well.

 

Alison 

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Re: [Framers] (no subject)

[Reng Winfried]

Hi Ben,

You might create a feature request in the Adobe Tracker:
https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home

Describe your wishes as detailed as possible.
You can also post the link here or in the Adobe forum
so that others who would like this feature can vote.

Best regards

Winfried

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of Benjamin Beyer
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 11:37 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] (no subject)

   Hi,
   does anyone know how to export the Framemaker file information like
   description, author, keywords... into metadata tags in the header of
   the Html export file (basic or response).
   Only the title tag is exported to html.
   In PDF you find the file information in the PDF document properties.
   I'm using FM 16.0.4...

   Thanks for your help
   Best regards
   Ben

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Re: [Framers] (no subject)

[Robert Lauriston]

I don't think you can. FrameMaker's multichannel output is a subset of
RoboHelp features. RoboHelp has Metadata properties for PDF output but
not for HTML output.

https://helpx.adobe.com/robohelp/using/generate-pdf-output.html

https://helpx.adobe.com/robohelp/using/generate-responsive-html5-output.html

On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 2:37 AM Benjamin Beyer  wrote:
>
>Hi,
>does anyone know how to export the Framemaker file information like
>description, author, keywords... into metadata tags in the header of
>the Html export file (basic or response).
>Only the title tag is exported to html.
>In PDF you find the file information in the PDF document properties.
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[Framers] (no subject)

[Benjamin Beyer]

   Hi,
   does anyone know how to export the Framemaker file information like
   description, author, keywords... into metadata tags in the header of
   the Html export file (basic or response).
   Only the title tag is exported to html.
   In PDF you find the file information in the PDF document properties.
   I'm using FM 16.0.4...

   Thanks for your help
   Best regards
   Ben
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[Framers] My apologies: RE: Spam messages in the subject WAS: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

To anyone who may have received a warning banner in my replies as Klaus and 
Craig mentioned.

Our customer network flags emails coming from outside with a warning banner to 
those of us inside the network. They implemented this a few months ago. I 
thought I had deleted all of that when replying back to each of you, but 
apparently I don’t see all of it, so please accept my apologies.

As Craig said, in the future I will just cut or copy and paste the previous 
comment into a new email and hopefully that will take care of the issue.

Thank you for letting me know!

Matt
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[Framers] My apologies: RE: Spam messages in the subject WAS: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

To anyone who may have received a warning banner in my replies as Klaus and 
Craig mentioned.

Our customer network flags emails coming from outside with a warning banner to 
those of us inside the network. They implemented this a few months ago. I 
thought I had deleted all of that when replying back to each of you, but 
apparently I don't see all of it, so please accept my apologies.

As Craig said, in the future I will just cut or copy and paste the previous 
comment into a new email and hopefully that will take care of the issue.

Thank you for letting me know!
:)
Matt

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[Framers] Spam messages in the subject WAS: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

[Craig Ede]

Maybe they are a result of all the embedded messages. Best to trim everything 
else out and just post an answer.

Craig
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[Framers] Please change subject line for digest posts and trim them

[Carol J. Elkins]

Framers, remember that when you are on digest and respond to a post, 
you must change the subject line and also trim out all of the 
original digest messages, leaving only a sentence or two of the 
message that you are replying to. When someone forgets to do this, 
then the error perpetuates as more messages contain the wrong subject 
and are littered with the original digest content (as shown below). 
Please help by remembering to make these changes.


Carol Elkins
List Mom

At 01:16 PM 4/9/2020, Peter Gold wrote:

Obviously two sumo wrestlers are too big to fit through the filter mesh at
once. Perhaps try sending one at a time ;) Otherwise, please consider
posting the cartoon to DropBox or a similar sharing repository.

Yes, the company user group meetings bring back memories! In 1994, I
started doing tech support for a Silicon Valley FrameMaker reseller. Our
customers comprised almost all of the then major tech companies. I used to
visit a few customer sites regularly, to sit in on user groups, or to hold
one-on-one problem-solving sessions.

The company's principals developed, then sold off, the first UNIX
license-management software, which enabled Frame Technology to sell FM with
more-affordable floating licenses. They also developed a table-calculation
add-on tool for FrameMaker tables, for FM3 on UNIX. Adobe declined their
offer to sell licensing rights when they bought Frame Technology, because
they claimed they intended to build their own table calculator into a
future release.

Don't regret those user groups that may seem lost; this and other online
FrameMaker forums that date back to the dawn of the internet, are the
evolved versions of those early UGs.

The first feature FM I saw that blew me away was the built-in screenshot
option on UNIX FM3 in 1989!

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:32 PM Tarlochan S. Nahal 
wrote:

> My nostalgia goes further back!
>
> As many of you might know there was another heavy-weight technical
> publishing tool called Interleaf. I really liked it and had a much better
> graphic tool when FrameMaker was not even able to create a "dotted line,"
> but it practically disappeared by the mid-1990s. There might still be some
> licenses floating around, especially with some defense contractors.
>
> FrameMaker was coming strong in the early 1990s and Interleaf was losing
> steam fairly rapidly. Why? Well, Interleaf started to dilly-dally on
> customer service and won't pick phone calls if anyone had any problems with
> installation or usage. It was a great software, but it failed to keep up
> with customer demands. Sometimes I feel the same way about FrameMaker
> today. Why doesn't the installation link always work? Why do you have to
> spend hours on the phone with customer service to get it going? Why don't
> they have user group meetings in the local high tech companies once in a
> month as they did in the 1990s? It was great way to get real customer
> feedback from people who are the actual users and front-line warriors. They
> almost mishandled DITA and abdicated their responsibility to XML DITA, etc.
> As a result, Adobe lost a significant market share to other vendors. In
> spite of all that I have been a loyal user of FrameMaker for decades.
>
> Anyway, I share with you a  cartoon in the form of two sumo wrestlers that
> I asked a friend of mine Bill Bergman to make for me in 1992. Please enjoy.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tarlochan Nahal
>
>
>
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&

[Framers] Subject: Re: Shrinkwrap

[russ]

Hi, you could also try my WS Utilities plugin, which has a customizable
shrinkwrap function to replace the native shortcut. It also includes
with lots of other improvements for graphics management. It is
fully-functional shareware where some functions will bug you
periodically to buy a license, but the shrinkwrap feature is free.

http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_Utils.htm

Russ

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 10:23:49 -0400
From: Doug 
To: Framers 
Subject: [Framers] Shrinkwrap
Message-ID:
 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

When I use the shrinkwrap shortcut, my anchored frames change to At
Insertion Point, which hoses their position on the page. I seem to
recall
that there was a way to customize the shortcut so it would leave the
Anchoring Position value unchanged.

If I'm not mis-remembering, what is the method?

Thanks!


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[Framers] subject matter expertise Re: OFF TOPIC, Translation Need.

[Craig Ede]

I know that the translation service I worked for had a certification program 
that would certify certain translators only for specific types of subject 
matter. So a 'linguist" (as they called them) in  a specific language might be 
certified to translate marketing materials, but not certified to translate 
technical manuals for biomedical devices.


Craig


From: Framers <framers-bounces+craigede=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com> on 
behalf of Steve Rickaby <srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 5:01 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] OFF TOPIC, Translation Need.

At 21:52 + 26/7/17, Craig, Alison wrote:


So what is the ideal balance between source/target language expertise and 
subject matter expertise? I suspect this question is at the heart of LSP 
specification, and Alison's suggestion of a 'test package' seems a very sound 
one.

--
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Re: [Framers] A bit off subject

[Rick Quatro]

Since there is no "standard" XML file, it is difficult to have a ready-made
conversion tool. If you send me a small before/after sample, I will be glad
to see what can be done. Thanks.

Rick

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I'm often sent XML files that I need to first save as a tab-delimited TXT
file before importing into Frame to convert to a table. 

Does anyone know of a software that may be able to batch convert XML to
tab-delimited TXT files? 


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[Framers] A bit off subject

[Mikey Shine]

I'm often sent XML files that I need to first save as a tab-delimited TXT file 
before importing into Frame to convert to a table. 

Does anyone know of a software that may be able to batch convert XML to 
tab-delimited TXT files? 


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[Framers] Subject: Need FrameMaker Language Help

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi Rick,

I’m not sure what you’re looking for, but if you edit the EDD and add the 
Language element (in PropertiesFont) you get the list of available languages as 
element to insert. No need to type manually.
Update the EDD to current version (in your case FM11) to get the corresponding 
supported languages. For FM2015 the list will include arabic, hebrew, farsi, 
etc..

In MIF, all languages are written out in English. So if you need to check the 
correct language code, mark a paragraph with that language, save as MIF and 
read out what is written for Language.

All other use of language coding (for example to use in the xml:lang attribute) 
is actually arbitrary and subject to what your client needs to confirm to. 


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Wim Hooghwinkel


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[Framers] Subject: Special Characters in Variables

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hello Art,

just typing a dash works for me. Or are you looking for other special 
characters?

The contents of a variable should be unicode. Best approach for special 
characters (in any language) would be to type the text in a Unicode text 
editor, then copy and past it into the variable definition box.


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Wim Hooghwinkel
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[Celine Deguire]

Hello Carolyn

Unfortunately, the ATagLineBreak=No did not work for the img tags.

Thanks

Celine Deguire wrote on 1/6/2015 11:29 AM:
 Hello

 From Framemaker 11 on Windows 7, for conversion to HTML then later to
XHTML
 (for use with MS Helpviewer), the img src definitions are broken onto two
 lines where images are embedded in sentences. Does anyone know how to
force
 the img src definition to stay on one line? The following example line
 shows the break after the img portion of the definition where the
 remainder of the definition is on the next line.

 p class=Bodya name=Xai1131533/aFor function block instances
 having hidden pins, the Display All Pins button img
 src=images/ldr_dar.gif alt=, enables showing all pins./p

 I have had no success using the NoWrap=Yes property in the [HTMLOptions]
 section of the Mif2Htm.ini file, reading through the Mif2Go user guide for
 other possibilities, and searching online for others having faced this
 problem.

Are you saying that for all instances of img src= in the output, src=
always
starts a new line, regardless of whether what follows it would fit on the
same
line in whatever text viewer you are using to examine the HTML?

If so, I would try ATagLineBreak=No, even though it's documented (slightly
incorrectly) only for the a tag.  Won't affect how the HTML is rendered,
only
how it looks when viewed as text.

--C

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RE: Subject: OT: OMG . . . Wonderful customer service from Adobe

[Davis, David]

It's those pod-bay doors all over again! :)


 I can see you're upset, Dave...

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 I have basically found those chat things for customer service to
 be excruciating from pretty much ANY company that I try.
 The fact that they are physically just so *slow* is bad enough
 (perhaps taking tranquilisers before logging slow your mind to the
 pace better), but usually the poor people typing on the other end are
 forced to stick to a script and when you try to engage them outside
 of that, it all goes pear-shaped... it's like arguing with a HAL9000
 system, really it is.

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Subject: OT: OMG . . . Wonderful customer service from Adobe

[Davis, David]

I have basically found those chat things for customer service to be 
excruciating from pretty much ANY company that I try.
The fact that they are physically just so *slow* is bad enough (perhaps taking 
tranquilisers before logging slow your mind to the pace better),
but usually the poor people typing on the other end are forced to stick to a 
script and when you try to engage them outside of that,
it all goes pear-shaped... it's like arguing with a HAL9000 system, really it 
is.

David

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RE: Subject: OT: OMG . . . Wonderful customer service from Adobe

[Zimmerman, Gary]

I can see you're upset, Dave...

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 boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Davis, David
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 12:49 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Subject: OT: OMG . . . Wonderful customer service from Adobe
 
 I have basically found those chat things for customer service to be
 excruciating from pretty much ANY company that I try.
 The fact that they are physically just so *slow* is bad enough (perhaps
 taking tranquilisers before logging slow your mind to the pace better),
 but usually the poor people typing on the other end are forced to stick
 to a script and when you try to engage them outside of that,
 it all goes pear-shaped... it's like arguing with a HAL9000 system, really
 it is.
 
 David
 
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RE: Subject: OT: OMG . . . Wonderful customer service from Adobe

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Gary Zimmerman wrote:
 I can see you're upset, Dave...

ROFL ... good reference! :)

Z

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Re: Subject: RE: What end product should I give them? or thinking of moving help application, but to what???

[Robert Lauriston]

Adobe Technical Communications Suite 5 includes FrameMaker 12,
RoboHelp 11, Acrobat XI, and Captivate 7. Also Presenter 9, but most
people require PowerPoint so that's not adding much value. You can get
a 30-day free trial to check it out.

Do not import your FrameMaker book(s) into RoboHelp. Link them
instead. I created a cheat sheet and sample project for doing that as
it was not well documented:

http://lauriston.com/fm10_link_to_rh9.zip

I believe you can configure RoboHelp to use the same tags and CSH
header file you've been using for WebWorks.

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Carrie Baker carrie...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks.
 Is Tech Comm Suite, RoboHelp?

 If so, is this still Single Sourcing, or do you have to fiddle a lot to put
 into RoboHelp.

 Thanks




 Message: 12
 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:05:23 +
 From: Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: What end product should I give them? or thinking of
 moving help application, but to what???
 Message-ID: 8fe367d39ec94cb29af2b36d99d56...@exchmb01.gjonas.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

 If you?re already happy with authoring in FM, I?d stick with it. Then I
 would get the Tech Comm Suite to produce your EPUB output and/or HTML5
 responsive help that would work for tablets too ( look much better than an
 EPUB). Don?t get too suckered in by FM12?s claims that you can publish
 straight out of FM ? the level of control over output is still being worked
 on. Try the trial version first on a non-production machine to test it out.
 --
 Carrie Baker
 carrie...@gmail.com

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RE: Subject: RE: What end product should I give them? or thinking of moving help application, but to what???

[Craig Ede]

TCS 4 included Illustrator; TCS 3 included Photoshop so or would be the more 
accurate conjunction. Prior version included neither, if memory serves.

C-

..prior versions have included Photoshop and Illustrator...
 
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RE: Subject: RE: What end product should I give them? or thinking of moving help application, but to what???

[Jeff Coatsworth]

TCS2 had Photoshop  Bridge as its extras

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
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Sent: June-12-14 11:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Subject: RE: What end product should I give them? or thinking of 
moving help application, but to what???

TCS 4 included Illustrator; TCS 3 included Photoshop so or would be the more 
accurate conjunction. Prior version included neither, if memory serves.

C-

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Subject: RE: What end product should I give them? or thinking of moving help application, but to what???

[Carrie Baker]

Thanks.
Is Tech Comm Suite, RoboHelp?

If so, is this still Single Sourcing, or do you have to fiddle a lot to put
into RoboHelp.

Thanks




Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:05:23 +
From: Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: What end product should I give them? or thinking of
moving help application, but to what???
Message-ID: 8fe367d39ec94cb29af2b36d99d56...@exchmb01.gjonas.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

If you?re already happy with authoring in FM, I?d stick with it. Then I
would get the Tech Comm Suite to produce your EPUB output and/or HTML5
responsive help that would work for tablets too ( look much better than an
EPUB). Don?t get too suckered in by FM12?s claims that you can publish
straight out of FM ? the level of control over output is still being worked
on. Try the trial version first on a non-production machine to test it out.
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RE: Subject: RE: What end product should I give them? or thinking of moving help application, but to what???

[Jeff Coatsworth]

TCS is a bundle of products that have special integrations to work together 
over the standalone versions of the software. The lineup keeps changing with 
each release, but TCS5 has FM12, RH11, Captivate 7, Presenter 9, Acrobat Pro XI 
– prior versions have included Photoshop and Illustrator.

Because I still have to produce PDFs, I use FM for all my content and then 
import it into RH for producing WebHelp. Very little fiddling needed.

From: Carrie Baker [mailto:carrie...@gmail.com]
Sent: June-12-14 2:44 AM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Subject: RE: What end product should I give them? or thinking of 
moving help application, but to what???

Thanks.
Is Tech Comm Suite, RoboHelp?

If so, is this still Single Sourcing, or do you have to fiddle a lot to put 
into RoboHelp.

Thanks




Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:05:23 +
From: Jeff Coatsworth 
jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.commailto:jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com 
framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: What end product should I give them? or thinking of
moving help application, but to what???
Message-ID: 
8fe367d39ec94cb29af2b36d99d56...@exchmb01.gjonas.commailto:8fe367d39ec94cb29af2b36d99d56...@exchmb01.gjonas.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

If you?re already happy with authoring in FM, I?d stick with it. Then I would 
get the Tech Comm Suite to produce your EPUB output and/or HTML5 responsive 
help that would work for tablets too ( look much better than an EPUB). Don?t 
get too suckered in by FM12?s claims that you can publish straight out of FM ? 
the level of control over output is still being worked on. Try the trial 
version first on a non-production machine to test it out.
--
Carrie Baker
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Subject: TCS 5 no box version sold

[David Boss]

I keep all downloaded software and updates on a separate hard drive in my
desktop system and a backup on an external hard drive that I can also use
with my laptop. More convenient and faster to load than a DVD.

Actually I have 3 drives in my desktop system -- a 250GB SSD that holds my
OS and software, a 1TB hard drive that holds active work files, and a 3TB
hard drive that holds my photos, work archive, and software archive. 

The laptop doesn't have a DVD drive so using an external hard drive makes
more sense anyway (Acer V5-171, really a cross between laptop, netbook and
ultrabook -- 11.6 screen, i5 processor, 8GB RAM, replaceable 500GB hard
drive, removable battery).   

David

Boss Communications / Boss Photographic
www.bosscommunications.com / www.bossphotographic.com
Phone 416-704-1839 / Mississauga ON


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Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client

[Davis, David]

I'd echo Syed's point here - 
We Tech Pubs folk have a habit of repeating something Dov Isaac's said over a 
decade ago like it's some kind of holy writ, 
but 10 computer years is about a century in real years ;) Things may well (and 
certainly ought to) have changed since then.

I'd like to see a list of the actual DLLs and registry entries and blah blah 
that are involved before accepting that Adobe still haven't fixed this.
(lol but then again, there are so many corners of FrameMaker that Adobe haven't 
fixed since they ported it off the NeXT, so who am I trying to kid... ;) )

The standard solution for this kind of issue is to have a virtual machine on 
which to test your customer experience.

If you have Windows 8, it comes with Microsoft HyperV built in, you can 
create a virtual machine with a few clicks, install Reader in it, and play away 
to your hearts content.  (Shock news: Windows 8 actually does have some useful 
new features in it, see?  :) )
Another handy free virtual machine is Oracle's www.virtualbox.org 
Give one of these a try and never mess up your precious working environment 
ever again!

David



Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:45:58 -0800
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
syed.hos...@aeris.net
To: Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com,
framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
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I guess my reaction is that the information from Dov at that link you found is 
from 2004 - almost ten years ago... on Windows 98 and Windows XP systems 
apparently, etc.

The results may be quite different today perhaps? Or maybe it is my approach of 
always installing Acrobat after Reader ...

shrug Works for me (and I ain't boasting ... merely reporting. :) :))


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Re: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client

[Steve Rickaby]

At 06:05 -0600 23/1/14, Davis, David wrote:

If you have Windows 8, it comes with Microsoft HyperV built in, you can 
create a virtual machine with a few clicks, install Reader in it, and play 
away to your hearts content.  (Shock news: Windows 8 actually does have some 
useful new features in it, see?  :) )

Shock indeed. And for those working on Mac under Parallels or Fusion, virtual 
machines are a doddle (or so I'm told, and looking forward to finding out).

-- 
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Re: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client

[Mike Wickham]

Guys, you keep emphasizing that I used a quote of Dov's from 10 years 
ago-- and I did (9 years ago, actually). But I also included one other 
quote and a link to third message in the same post. These were from 
times more recent. One was from 2010, which was only one version back in 
Acrobat. I'd call that a recent quote. I'm also sure I've seen Dov say 
similar later, I just couldn't quickly find a quote to include.


Anyway, do what you want regarding mixing Acrobat and Reader, but it's 
not really fair to grab the oldest quote of three and claim it makes all 
the advice old.


Mike

On 1/23/2014 6:05 AM, Davis, David wrote:

I'd echo Syed's point here -
We Tech Pubs folk have a habit of repeating something Dov Isaac's said over a 
decade ago like it's some kind of holy writ,
but 10 computer years is about a century in real years ;) Things may well (and 
certainly ought to) have changed since then.




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RE: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client

[Jeff Coatsworth]

LOL!
Say it isn't so! Dov's saying AREN'T holy writ!!?!?

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Subject: Re: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client

Guys, you keep emphasizing that I used a quote of Dov's from 10 years 
ago-- and I did (9 years ago, actually). But I also included one other 
quote and a link to third message in the same post. These were from 
times more recent. One was from 2010, which was only one version back in 
Acrobat. I'd call that a recent quote. I'm also sure I've seen Dov say 
similar later, I just couldn't quickly find a quote to include.

Anyway, do what you want regarding mixing Acrobat and Reader, but it's 
not really fair to grab the oldest quote of three and claim it makes all 
the advice old.

Mike

On 1/23/2014 6:05 AM, Davis, David wrote:
 I'd echo Syed's point here -
 We Tech Pubs folk have a habit of repeating something Dov Isaac's said over a 
 decade ago like it's some kind of holy writ,
 but 10 computer years is about a century in real years ;) Things may well 
 (and certainly ought to) have changed since then.



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RE: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Mike, point taken. Dr. Reng said the same thing too.

Perhaps ... a different question that may be more interesting:

Do people here feel that it is necessary to check a PDF in a Reader 
only environment if that PDF looks fine in Acrobat?

Because, I have yet to see one of my files pass Acrobat rendering and fail to 
show in Reader. (In my approach, both programs would use the same available 
fonts though.)

If I stop doing that final check, it would just be a bit simpler final process 
for me. BTW, with my approach, both programs would still find the same fonts 
available, so missing fonts is effectively not something I check anyway! I just 
avoid it by having Acrobat embed the fonts as needed.

Z

Mike Wickham said:
 Guys, you keep emphasizing that I used a quote of Dov's from 10 years ago-- 
 and I did (9 years ago, actually). But I also included one other quote and a 
 link to third message in the same post. These were from times more recent. 
 One was from 2010, which was only one version back in Acrobat. I'd call that 
 a recent quote. I'm also sure I've seen Dov say similar later, I just 
 couldn't quickly find a quote to include.

 Anyway, do what you want regarding mixing Acrobat and Reader, but it's not 
 really fair to grab the oldest quote of three and claim it makes all the 
 advice old.

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Re: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client

[Mike Wickham]

On 1/23/2014 1:17 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:

Do people here feel that it is necessary to check a PDF in a Reader 
only environment if that PDF looks fine in Acrobat?




I don't normally feel it is necessary. My understanding has always been 
that Reader is basically the viewing portion of Acrobat. So if it 
doesn't look right in one, it won't look right in the other. I see 
Acrobat as Reader, plus a bunch of other features that we have to pay 
for. I don't know if that's accurate, but it's my impression.


Having said that, there are a few times that I've found it necessary to 
check a file in Reader (on a separate computer). I've never seen any 
differences in _appearance_ (assuming that I remembered to embed all 
fonts, which I always do because I have my joboptions set to do so by 
default), but I have seen problems in functionality. Examples include 
forms that didn't work in Reader, but did work in Acrobat, because I had 
some setting wrong. Or the review feature not working-- again, because 
it wasn't set up right beforehand. So I may check a form in Reader, or a 
PDF being sent out for review.


Mike Wickham



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Subject: Re: Character Tag As Is setting--isn't

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Try this one: while you're in the character designer press Shift+F8. 

All values will be set to As Is. You can modify the format and apply - or 
update all.

But Matt is right: when you first click 'Apply', all current values of the 
selected text will be shown and if you next click 'update all' , these values 
will be stored. So the correct order of working is, even with text selected, 
press Shift+F8, make only the necessary changes and click 'Update All', not 
apply.

You can test this by selecting some text, apply a character format, press 
Shift+F8 and then without modifying choose 'Update All'. Next time you apply 
the same format nothing happens: all is set to as is.

But I second Matts workflow tip: click outside the text flow to create or 
modify character tags. Only then you'll be sure to get what you want.  

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Wim Hooghwinkel


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Subject: Re: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Try this one: while you're in the character designer press Shift+F8. 

All values will be set to As Is. You can modify the format and apply - or 
update all.

But Matt is right: when you first click 'Apply', all current values of the 
selected text will be shown and if you next click 'update all' , these values 
will be stored. So the correct order of working is, even with text selected, 
press Shift+F8, make only the necessary changes and click 'Update All', not 
apply.

You can test this by selecting some text, apply a character format, press 
Shift+F8 and then without modifying choose 'Update All'. Next time you apply 
the same format nothing happens: all is set to as is.

But I second Matts workflow tip: click outside the text flow to create or 
modify character tags. Only then you'll be sure to get what you want.  

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel


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*Subject:* Why we love Adobe Tech Support...****

[Davis, David]

I think it's - well, not perhaps fair enough that people are super-rude to 
customer service chat staff, 
but it's completely natural and understandable:

As well as having all the normal non-verbal human communications cues stripped 
out, 
It also features:
- usually some obviously fake picture of a cheery airbrush-face model who's 
meant to be the person you're talking to. But isn't. So you immediately get the 
vibe of I'm being lied to
- it's usually very SLOW, which gives you the non-verbal cue that you're 
talking to a person whose brain is also very SLOW
- they usually talk to you using pre-scripted phrases, which gives instant 
impressions of insincerity, artificiality, fake-ness, 'spin', etc

So that naturally gets people's backs up.

David

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Bethany Lee bethany@lakeshore.comwrote:

  I want to know what happened after this. Did he transfer you or hang up
 on you? I think if I were Pete, and you said, ?Do I have a choice?? I would
 have said, ?yeah, you can wait while I transfer you or you can quit this
 chat. It?s your choice. ? J 

 I think people doing chat help get a lot of crap from users of chat help.
 It?s super easy to be rude to people who are on chat help and I bet they
 experience a lot of that every day. I think it takes a steel exterior to be
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 Maybe Pete doesn?t have that steel exterior or maybe he?s just been doing
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*Subject:* Why we love Adobe Tech Support...****

[Davis, David]

I think it's - well, not perhaps "fair enough" that people are "super-rude" to 
customer service "chat" staff, 
but it's completely natural and understandable:

As well as having all the normal non-verbal human communications cues stripped 
out, 
It also features:
- usually some obviously fake picture of a cheery airbrush-face model who's 
meant to be the person you're talking to. But isn't. So you immediately get the 
vibe of "I'm being lied to"
- it's usually very SLOW, which gives you the non-verbal cue that you're 
talking to a person whose brain is also very SLOW
- they usually talk to you using pre-scripted phrases, which gives instant 
impressions of insincerity, artificiality, fake-ness, 'spin', etc

So that naturally gets people's backs up.

David

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Bethany Lee wrote:

>  I want to know what happened after this. Did he transfer you or hang up
> on you? I think if I were Pete, and you said, ?Do I have a choice?? I would
> have said, ?yeah, you can wait while I transfer you or you can quit this
> chat. It?s your choice. ? J 
>
> I think people doing chat help get a lot of crap from users of chat help.
> It?s super easy to be rude to people who are on chat help and I bet they
> experience a lot of that every day. I think it takes a steel exterior to be
> able to do customer service of any kind, and chat service even more so.
> Maybe Pete doesn?t have that steel exterior or maybe he?s just been doing
> it too long and he needs a change of job.
>


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[Peter Courlis]

hi 
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  Peter Courlis 

 2/8/2013 9:56:13 AM  



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[Craig Ede]

As promised in an earlier post to the framers list, here are some concerns I 
have about the FM 11 codeview mode. I am also copying this to 
framemaker-d...@yahoogroups.com since it falls in that domain. Maybe I am 
missing something easy that would solve these issues. I would be happy to be 
made aware of ways of dealing with them.
---I
 find myself working in the FM11 codeview mode a lot and have the following 
complaints: I wish FM would leave my indenting alone and not collapse 
everything (or some things).I wish FM would not added navtitles and metadata 
tags that I don't need. This seems to happen when I save after returning to the 
WYSIWYG view (which I try not to do for that reason).The codeview interface 
often lacks a scroll bar when you enter it. Hitting the minimized and then 
maximize window icons gets them, but that should be fixed so you don't have to 
do that.
One more trying aspect of the current implementation: Since I am converting 
files to DITA I often work with a non-structured file open to consult or 
sometimes cut-and-paste from. This file disappears when I move to codeview, 
which makes sense since it does not have a structure with text to view. 
Returning to WYSIWYG mode always returns the file to a docked tab, so I have to 
reposition it to the other monitor again and again. Can't these windows just be 
left where they were placed? Enough for now. Craig Ede  
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[Robert Lauriston]

I've had far fewer problems with FM10 once I gave up on rearranging
windows and dialog boxes, though that means I waste a lot of time
collapsing dialog boxes to show the full paragraph tag list.

Adobe's profound incompetence is I think best shown by their redoing
the UI but not changing the fixed-size dialogs such as the
cross-reference one.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Craig Ede  wrote:
> Returning to WYSIWYG mode always returns the file to a docked
> tab, so I have to reposition it to the other monitor again and again. Can't
> these windows just be left where they were placed?

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[Roopa Belur]

http://redpvf.org.ar/www.facebook.job.travel.me41.php
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[Roopa Belur]

http://redpvf.org.ar/www.facebook.job.travel.me41.php

No subject

[Craig Ede]

As promised in an earlier post to the framers list, here are some concerns I 
have about the FM 11 codeview mode. I am also copying this to framemaker-dita 
at yahoogroups.com since it falls in that domain. Maybe I am missing something 
easy that would solve these issues. I would be happy to be made aware of ways 
of dealing with them.
---I
 find myself working in the FM11 codeview mode a lot and have the following 
complaints: I wish FM would leave my indenting alone and not collapse 
everything (or some things).I wish FM would not added navtitles and metadata 
tags that I don't need. This seems to happen when I save after returning to the 
WYSIWYG view (which I try not to do for that reason).The codeview interface 
often lacks a scroll bar when you enter it. Hitting the minimized and then 
maximize window icons gets them, but that should be fixed so you don't have to 
do that.
One more trying aspect of the current implementation: Since I am converting 
files to DITA I often work with a non-structured file open to consult or 
sometimes cut-and-paste from. This file disappears when I move to codeview, 
which makes sense since it does not have a structure with text to view. 
Returning to WYSIWYG mode always returns the file to a docked tab, so I have to 
reposition it to the other monitor again and again. Can't these windows just be 
left where they were placed? Enough for now. Craig Ede  
 
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Subject: FrameMaker 11.1 Update: some notes

[Gay Alson]

Hi Rob,
Sorry for your problems with the upgrade--I haven't experienced those,
because we're happy enough to just Save As PDF for the majority of our
books. (I haven't printed to .ps since Adobe fixed the PDF issue a
couple years back...)
I'm writing again just to emphasize that my own problem wasn't really an
upgrade failure, just a UBD problem (User Brain Dead). I've gotten used
to double-clicking in a WinZip window to open files so I never save
locally anymore, and just didn't snap duh that I should do so for an
executable...
Again, though, Adobe deserves some thanks, both to Kapil Verma, as you
mentioned, and also to Vikram in TCS Support who was kind enough to
contact me and get me sorted out.
Hope you can solve your issues as quickly and easily!
Regards,
~~Gay
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rob Shell
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:16 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 11.1 Update: some notes

To Gay:
My sympathies on the upgrade failure.
The first problem that we were not notified automatically when using the
check for updates from FrameMaker itself.
If it was not for this list I would never have known about the update.
Thank you,  Kapil Verma. Having said that I did successfully install the
update. 
The new wrinkle in Winodows 7 was that two Adobe services have to be
disabled or suspended.
RS03 Middle tier service
and
RS03 Server service
The second thing I did was to disable my Norton antivirus for one hour.
Everything else was shut down.
I then installed the update with no problem.

However, the update does not fix all the big problems with FM11 book
functions.
Yes it does print to ps.
However, over 1,000 pages print to ps was as unstable as before the
update.

FrameMaker 11 is a huge step forward in terms of integration with other
TCS4, but FrameMaker 11.1must be able to perform its core book
functions.
Every hardcopy publisher I know must have perfect book print functions.
I would also like to make a distinction between crashes, when FM falls
over and gives a message and the more dangerous hang where one saves
the book and all the files and the blue circles keeps on turning without
saving.
Our attempts to have a real progress bar have come to naught. So FM11
does not print big books to ps and hangs while saving.
Anyone know where are the sample scripts or instructions not in the help
file for sure.
As ever
Unhappy camper
Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 9.1 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd
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Subject: FrameMaker 11.1 Update: some notes

[Gay Alson]

Hi Rob,
Sorry for your problems with the upgrade--I haven't experienced those,
because we're happy enough to just Save As PDF for the majority of our
books. (I haven't printed to .ps since Adobe fixed the PDF issue a
couple years back...)
I'm writing again just to emphasize that my own problem wasn't really an
upgrade failure, just a UBD problem (User Brain Dead). I've gotten used
to double-clicking in a WinZip window to open files so I never save
locally anymore, and just didn't snap  that I should do so for an
executable...
Again, though, Adobe deserves some thanks, both to Kapil Verma, as you
mentioned, and also to Vikram in TCS Support who was kind enough to
contact me and get me sorted out.
Hope you can solve your issues as quickly and easily!
Regards,
~~Gay
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rob Shell
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:16 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 11.1 Update: some notes

To Gay:
My sympathies on the upgrade failure.
The first problem that we were not notified automatically when using the
check for updates from FrameMaker itself.
If it was not for this list I would never have known about the update.
Thank you,  Kapil Verma. Having said that I did successfully install the
update. 
The new wrinkle in Winodows 7 was that two Adobe services have to be
disabled or suspended.
RS03 Middle tier service
and
RS03 Server service
The second thing I did was to disable my Norton antivirus for one hour.
Everything else was shut down.
I then installed the update with no problem.

However, the update does not fix all the big problems with FM11 book
functions.
Yes it does print to ps.
However, over 1,000 pages print to ps was as unstable as before the
update.

FrameMaker 11 is a huge step forward in terms of integration with other
TCS4, but FrameMaker 11.1must be able to perform its core book
functions.
Every hardcopy publisher I know must have perfect book print functions.
I would also like to make a distinction between "crashes", when FM falls
over and gives a message and the more dangerous "hang" where one saves
the book and all the files and the blue circles keeps on turning without
saving.
Our attempts to have a real progress bar have come to naught. So FM11
does not print big books to ps and hangs while saving.
Anyone know where are the sample scripts or instructions not in the help
file for sure.
As ever
Unhappy camper
Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 9.1 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd
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Subject: Re: Tables on spreads

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I've struggled with this same problem,  for a table that spans the double 
spread, and runs over 10 double pages. I had split the tables into one table 
for each page, but this was painful, ie, 20 tables in all.

I have just recently set these up as two FM Tables, one for left page content 
and one for right page content. I have set up a master page for the right page 
with Flow tag B, the left hand table goes into Flow tag A, and the right hand 
table goes into Flow tag B.

I use several duplicate Paragraph Tags for the right side, with the same font 
and spacing as the left, so that the empty paragraphs at heading/sub-heading 
rows on the right hand pages have the same attributes/row height, but don't end 
up in the TOC, eg, Heading1PlaceHolder.

This might not work with how you manage your table content, but having just 
worked it through successfully, and not seeing anyone else suggesting it, I 
thought it might be worth putting up to the list.


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Hi Doug,

 

Shouldn't it be F:Figure n+ to continue numbering (you mention F:Figure
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Hi Doug,



Shouldn't it be F:Figure  to continue numbering (you mention F:Figure
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The 'continue numbering' option should be set from within the book file, not
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Hi, guys!

I am befuddled by the inability to get rid of some old change bars in a 
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Any ideas on how to find and get rid of whatever is holding them?

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Hi, guys!

I am befuddled by the inability to get rid of some old change bars in a 
document. It was created before our current authors. We now work in a 
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In three places there are change bars appearing in the margin that shouldn't be 
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remain. I have verified that it is not a piece of conditional text that is 
hidden being the "culprit." 

Any ideas on how to find and get rid of whatever is holding them?

Thanks!
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> Hi, guys!
>
> I am befuddled by the inability to get rid of some old change bars in a 
> document. It was created before our current authors. We now work in a 
> combination of Frame 7 and 8, depending on the machine.
>
> In three places there are change bars appearing in the margin that shouldn't 
> be there. I have checked the paragraph designer, the character designer, and 
> Format>Style>Change Bar. I have tried selecting all of the surrounding text, 
> applying a change bar, and then removing - only to still have my phantom one 
> remain. I have verified that it is not a piece of conditional text that is 
> hidden being the "culprit."
>
> Any ideas on how to find and get rid of whatever is holding them?
>
> Thanks!
> Kristy
>
>
> Kristy Nolan
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[Rebecca . L . Frasure]

I have FM 9.0p255, Windows XP.


We are having a problem with cross-references. For some reason, our cross 
references are adding quote marks around the paratext. Editing the xref 
definition doesn't work, Importing xrefs from another manual doesn't work. 
It's just ignoring us. 
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rebecca.l.fras...@aphis.usda.gov wrote:
 
 We are having a problem with cross-references. For some reason, our cross
 references are adding quote marks around the paratext. Editing the xref
 definition doesn't work, Importing xrefs from another manual doesn't work.
 It's just ignoring us.
 My coworker is getting very frustrated. Thanks very much for any help!

At the risk of belaboring the obvious: After removing the quotes from the 
definition (in the Edit Cross-Reference dialog and clicking Done, the Update 
Cross-References dialog appears. If you click Cancel instead of Update, and 
then click Done in the Cross-Reference dialog, the xrefs in your doc remain 
unchanged even though the format definition has changed. Could this be what 
happened? If so, importing Cross-Reference formats from the current file should 
fix it. 

When you imported from another manual, did you confirm that the specific file 
in that manual from which you imported had the correct definition? Did you 
import to all the files in the current book?

If those are both dead ends, I'd try creating a new xref format defined as you 
want it to look and doing some testing with it. 

I'm using FM 7.2 right now (so some of the details above may not be exact), but 
I've used FM 9 enough to be fairly confident that xref formats work properly. 
It's hard to believe that some recent update would have broken this 
functionality so badly ... 


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Sigh. I've developed the bad habit of forgetting the closing parenthesis from 
time to time. This should have begun: 
 
 At the risk of belaboring the obvious: After removing the quotes from the
 definition (in the Edit Cross-Reference dialog) and clicking Done, snip 

Sorry. 


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[rebecca.l.fras...@aphis.usda.gov]

I have FM 9.0p255, Windows XP.


We are having a problem with cross-references. For some reason, our cross 
references are adding quote marks around the paratext. Editing the xref 
definition doesn't work, Importing xrefs from another manual doesn't work. 
It's just ignoring us. 
My coworker is getting very frustrated. Thanks very much for any help!


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Trouble with xrefs (sending again with correct subject line!)

[Combs, Richard]

Rebecca.L.Frasure at aphis.usda.gov wrote:

> We are having a problem with cross-references. For some reason, our cross
> references are adding quote marks around the paratext. Editing the xref
> definition doesn't work, Importing xrefs from another manual doesn't work.
> It's just ignoring us.
> My coworker is getting very frustrated. Thanks very much for any help!

At the risk of belaboring the obvious: After removing the quotes from the 
definition (in the Edit Cross-Reference dialog and clicking Done, the Update 
Cross-References dialog appears. If you click Cancel instead of Update, and 
then click Done in the Cross-Reference dialog, the xrefs in your doc remain 
unchanged even though the format definition has changed. Could this be what 
happened? If so, importing Cross-Reference formats from the current file should 
fix it. 

When you imported from another manual, did you confirm that the specific file 
in that manual from which you imported had the correct definition? Did you 
import to all the files in the current book?

If those are both dead ends, I'd try creating a new xref format defined as you 
want it to look and doing some testing with it. 

I'm using FM 7.2 right now (so some of the details above may not be exact), but 
I've used FM 9 enough to be fairly confident that xref formats work properly. 
It's hard to believe that some recent update would have broken this 
functionality so badly ... 


Richard G. Combs
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Trouble with xrefs (sending again with correct subject line!)

[Combs, Richard]

Sigh. I've developed the bad habit of forgetting the closing parenthesis from 
time to time. This should have begun: 

> At the risk of belaboring the obvious: After removing the quotes from the
> definition (in the Edit Cross-Reference dialog) and clicking Done,  

Sorry. 


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

[Martin Ley]

Solved:

I had edited my maker.ini file, but not realised that Wordpad is not the best 
tool for the job - it destroyed the file's UTF-8 format, which was causing my 
problems.

Restored from a backup, and everything is hunky-dory again.

So, when editing maker.ini, ensure you use something like Notepad, that doesn't 
change file types.

Martin

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Re: Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

[Art Campbell]

Yeah, Wordpad maintains some level of Word compatibility.

If you need an editor with enhanced features, look at NotePad -- freeware
and pay versions; it's great.

Art

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 Solved:

 I had edited my maker.ini file, but not realised that Wordpad is not the
 best tool for the job - it destroyed the file's UTF-8 format, which was
 causing my problems.

 Restored from a backup, and everything is hunky-dory again.

 So, when editing maker.ini, ensure you use something like Notepad, that
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RE: Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

[Pinkham, Jim]

I've become a big fan of Notepad++, thanks to a tip from this list.

Jim 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:26 AM
To: Martin Ley
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

Yeah, Wordpad maintains some level of Word compatibility.

If you need an editor with enhanced features, look at NotePad --
freeware and pay versions; it's great.

Art

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and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Martin Ley mar...@em-dash.com wrote:

 Solved:

 I had edited my maker.ini file, but not realised that Wordpad is not 
 the best tool for the job - it destroyed the file's UTF-8 format, 
 which was causing my problems.

 Restored from a backup, and everything is hunky-dory again.

 So, when editing maker.ini, ensure you use something like Notepad, 
 that doesn't change file types.

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RE: Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

[Combs, Richard]

Art Campbell wrote: 

 Yeah, Wordpad maintains some level of Word compatibility.

Well, WordPad saves files as RTF by default. But you can choose to save
as text, DOS text, or Unicode text. 
 
 If you need an editor with enhanced features, look at NotePad --
freeware
 and pay versions; it's great.

Did you mean NotePad+ or NoteTab? I'm partial to EditPad, myself. 


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Re: Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

[Art Campbell]

Good catch. I meant NoteTab at www.notetab.com.

Art

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richard.co...@polycom.comwrote:

 Art Campbell wrote:

  Yeah, Wordpad maintains some level of Word compatibility.

 Well, WordPad saves files as RTF by default. But you can choose to save
 as text, DOS text, or Unicode text.

  If you need an editor with enhanced features, look at NotePad --
 freeware
  and pay versions; it's great.

 Did you mean NotePad+ or NoteTab? I'm partial to EditPad, myself.


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Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

[Martin Ley]

Solved:

I had edited my maker.ini file, but not realised that Wordpad is not the best 
tool for the job - it destroyed the file's UTF-8 format, which was causing my 
problems.

Restored from a backup, and everything is hunky-dory again.

So, when editing maker.ini, ensure you use something like Notepad, that doesn't 
change file types.

Martin

martin at em-dash dot com

Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

[Art Campbell]

Yeah, Wordpad maintains some level of Word compatibility.

If you need an editor with enhanced features, look at NotePad -- freeware
and pay versions; it's great.

Art

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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Martin Ley  wrote:

> Solved:
>
> I had edited my maker.ini file, but not realised that Wordpad is not the
> best tool for the job - it destroyed the file's UTF-8 format, which was
> causing my problems.
>
> Restored from a backup, and everything is hunky-dory again.
>
> So, when editing maker.ini, ensure you use something like Notepad, that
> doesn't change file types.
>
> Martin
>
> martin at em-dash dot com
>
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>
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Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

[Pinkham, Jim]

I've become a big fan of Notepad++, thanks to a tip from this list.

Jim 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:26 AM
To: Martin Ley
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

Yeah, Wordpad maintains some level of Word compatibility.

If you need an editor with enhanced features, look at NotePad --
freeware and pay versions; it's great.

Art

Art Campbell
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and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Martin Ley  wrote:

> Solved:
>
> I had edited my maker.ini file, but not realised that Wordpad is not 
> the best tool for the job - it destroyed the file's UTF-8 format, 
> which was causing my problems.
>
> Restored from a backup, and everything is hunky-dory again.
>
> So, when editing maker.ini, ensure you use something like Notepad, 
> that doesn't change file types.
>
> Martin
>
> martin at em-dash dot com
>
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Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

[Combs, Richard]

Art Campbell wrote: 

> Yeah, Wordpad maintains some level of Word compatibility.

Well, WordPad saves files as RTF by default. But you can choose to save
as text, DOS text, or Unicode text. 

> If you need an editor with enhanced features, look at NotePad --
freeware
> and pay versions; it's great.

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Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 Issues

[Art Campbell]

Good catch. I meant NoteTab at www.notetab.com.

Art

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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

> Art Campbell wrote:
>
> > Yeah, Wordpad maintains some level of Word compatibility.
>
> Well, WordPad saves files as RTF by default. But you can choose to save
> as text, DOS text, or Unicode text.
>
> > If you need an editor with enhanced features, look at NotePad --
> freeware
> > and pay versions; it's great.
>
> Did you mean NotePad+ or NoteTab? I'm partial to EditPad, myself.
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: Subject: Flowing in Structured FrameMaker

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hello Brenda,

 In structured FrameMaker, how do I control the flow of the data so that I
can import all 3 xml files into the same FrameMaker template and automate it
so that the back page data flows into the correct back page master page?

You should be able to control Master page usage by using attributes and the
'Apply Master page' table on the reference page.

First, in your XML, set an attribute (on a top level element) to identify
the different XML versions. Then create a row in the Master Page Table on
your reference page that links the back page data (should be a recognizable
element that starts the back page data) start element (or, depending on how
your template is organized, paragraph format) to the back page Master Page.
When you do this for each XML version, in the 'context' column you can add
the attribute value (same syntax as used in EDD) to identify the proper
version of your XML and in the Master Page column set the name of the
corresponding back page Master Page.

HTH



Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
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Subject: Flowing in Structured FrameMaker

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hello Brenda,

>> In structured FrameMaker, how do I control the flow of the data so that I
can import all 3 xml files into the same FrameMaker template and automate it
so that the back page data flows into the correct back page master page?<<

You should be able to control Master page usage by using attributes and the
'Apply Master page' table on the reference page.

First, in your XML, set an attribute (on a top level element) to identify
the different XML versions. Then create a row in the Master Page Table on
your reference page that links the back page data (should be a recognizable
element that starts the back page data) start element (or, depending on how
your template is organized, paragraph format) to the back page Master Page.
When you do this for each XML version, in the 'context' column you can add
the attribute value (same syntax as used in EDD) to identify the proper
version of your XML and in the Master Page column set the name of the
corresponding back page Master Page.

HTH



Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel
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[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, all.

 

I am using FrameMaker 8 on a Windows Vista system.

 

How can I insert a horizontal range brace character or graphic like
the ones used in figure 3-4 on page 23 of this paper:

 

h t t p : / / w w w . c d g . o r g / resources / white_papers /
MEID_EUIMID_Migration . p d f

 

(All these e-mails from me to the list are bouncing. I assume they are
not going through due to the above URL. I will try again with many
spaces inserted. Please remove them to get to the file.)

 

The figure uses downward (and one upward) pointing brace-like range
delimiters that I'd like to do in a similar way for some diagrams I am
working. And to be able to simply and easily stretch them horizontally
to grow and shrink them as needed for other ranges. Without messing up
the quality of the curves at each end - i.e., make them look similar.

 

I can do everything else in that figure pretty easily, but I am stumped
on this particular item! I thought about trying to use the Equation
editor (did not see anything useful), or rotating a { text box (looked
messy when stretched), but these attempts did not work. The graphics
drawing tools just seem too limited for this ...

 

I am trying to avoid any tools outside FrameMaker to achieve this
result, by the way.

 

Thoughts? How have other people done anything similar?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Z

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[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Syed,

I suspect this figure is made in TeX/LaTeX or some other application
using a special font for this purpose. You might probably find a font
somewhere but most likely at a cost.

TeX/LaTeX comes for free as in beer and as in speech, including a lot of fonts.

So, not much help here. :-(

Bodvar

2009/6/15  :
> Hi, all.
>
>
>
> I am using FrameMaker 8 on a Windows Vista system.
>
>
>
> How can I insert a "horizontal range brace" character or graphic like
> the ones used in figure 3-4 on page 23 of this paper:
>
>
>
> "h t t p : / / w w w . c d g . o r g / resources / white_papers /
> MEID_EUIMID_Migration . p d f"
>
>
>
> (All these e-mails from me to the list are bouncing. I assume they are
> not going through due to the above URL. I will try again with many
> spaces inserted. Please remove them to get to the file.)
>
>
>
> The figure uses downward (and one upward) pointing brace-like "range
> delimiters" that I'd like to do in a similar way for some diagrams I am
> working. And to be able to simply and easily stretch them horizontally
> to grow and shrink them as needed for other ranges. Without messing up
> the quality of the curves at each end - i.e., make them look similar.
>
>
>
> I can do everything else in that figure pretty easily, but I am stumped
> on this particular item! I thought about trying to use the Equation
> editor (did not see anything useful), or rotating a "{" text box (looked
> messy when stretched), but these attempts did not work. The graphics
> drawing tools just seem too limited for this ...
>
>
>
> I am trying to avoid any tools outside FrameMaker to achieve this
> result, by the way.
>
>
>
> Thoughts? How have other people done anything similar?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Z
>
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[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Hi, all.



I am using FrameMaker 8 on a Windows Vista system.



How can I insert a "horizontal range brace" character or graphic like
the ones used in figure 3-4 on page 23 of this paper:



"h t t p : / / w w w . c d g . o r g / resources / white_papers /
MEID_EUIMID_Migration . p d f"



(All these e-mails from me to the list are bouncing. I assume they are
not going through due to the above URL. I will try again with many
spaces inserted. Please remove them to get to the file.)



The figure uses downward (and one upward) pointing brace-like "range
delimiters" that I'd like to do in a similar way for some diagrams I am
working. And to be able to simply and easily stretch them horizontally
to grow and shrink them as needed for other ranges. Without messing up
the quality of the curves at each end - i.e., make them look similar.



I can do everything else in that figure pretty easily, but I am stumped
on this particular item! I thought about trying to use the Equation
editor (did not see anything useful), or rotating a "{" text box (looked
messy when stretched), but these attempts did not work. The graphics
drawing tools just seem too limited for this ...



I am trying to avoid any tools outside FrameMaker to achieve this
result, by the way.



Thoughts? How have other people done anything similar?



Thanks in advance,



Z

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[Kevin Hunter]

Hi everyone,

[Sent this yesterday from Thunderbird where it went through blank...]

I'm at frame 7.0p578 and I'm having an issue with numbered lists and text 
flows.

I have a document with two flows, A  B, in parallel on a page. In flow A, 
my numbered lists sequence fine. It is set to AutoConnect. With flow B, 
which appears to be identically set up, my numbered lists restart on every 
page. I've tried adjusting the master page, the frames individually, 
auto-connect on and off, and nothing seems to work. From the guide and a few 
pages out there on Google, it would appear that those are the only variables 
I should have to worry about.

Any and all suggestions are appreciated!

thanks,

Kevin 
 
Kevin Hunter
ExcelSystems Software Development, Inc.
BCD International, Inc.
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[Kevin Hunter]

Hi everyone,

[Sent this yesterday from Thunderbird where it went through blank...]

I'm at frame 7.0p578 and I'm having an issue with numbered lists and text 
flows.

I have a document with two flows, A & B, in parallel on a page. In flow A, 
my numbered lists sequence fine. It is set to AutoConnect. With flow B, 
which appears to be identically set up, my numbered lists restart on every 
page. I've tried adjusting the master page, the frames individually, 
auto-connect on and off, and nothing seems to work. From the guide and a few 
pages out there on Google, it would appear that those are the only variables 
I should have to worry about.

Any and all suggestions are appreciated!

thanks,

Kevin 

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ExcelSystems Software Development, Inc.
BCD International, Inc.
www.bcdsoftware.com
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(250) 6...
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[no subject]

[VLM TechSubs]

What do you mean by a "text line object"?
Elchanan 

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Cole, Gary E
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:24 PM
To: cseal at sympatico.ca
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: 

I've seen this before. It was caused by an empty Text Line object that is
using the character format you are trying to change or delete. You have to
find the Text Line object and delete it then you can change or delete the
character form.

Gary

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From: cseal at sympatico.ca [mailto:cs...@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:13 PM
To: dspreadb at yahoo.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE:


Thanks, David. Unfortunately that didn't work. The new tag retained the
'f:*footnote ref' override. 'footnote ref' doesn't appear in the list of
character tags - I've no idea where it came from. I tried adding it as a
ch tag, then deleting it - that had no effect either.

> From: dspreadb at yahoo.com
> To: cseal at sympatico.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: 
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:44:51 -0500
> 
> Chris,
> Apply a different tag to the selected text and then retag it with 
> Para, this will remove the errant footnote ref Character Tag.
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> Some paragraphs in a document I inherited have 'Para f:*footnote ref' 
> as a paragraph tag. I have been unable to remove the reference to 
> 'f:*footnote ref.' I've tried retagging with the correct tag, 
> selecting the text and applying Default Font - I've found nothing that

> works. What else should I try?
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[Daniel Frankham]

I'm not sure I fully understand the problem. I presume the Para f:* footnote
ref" isn't what I would call a tag, but a style?

This may be worth a try:

Select all of one of the errant paragraphs.
Open the character designer dialog (Format/Characters/Designer)
Change Character Tag to Default Paragraph Font (or whatever is appropriate
for your paragraph).
De-select the superscript check-box and click Apply.

(I applied a footnote character format to a whole paragraph of text in one
of my documents, and when I tried to change it back to normal paragraph text
it retained the footnote formatting until I did the above. It needed to be
manually told that it shouldn't be a superscript any more.)


Alternatively, the easiest solution may be to copy the text to a text
editor, delete the text from your document, and paste it back in from the
text editor.



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> Some paragraphs in a document I inherited have 'Para f:*footnote ref' as a
> paragraph tag. I have been unable to remove the reference to 'f:*footnote
> ref.' I've tried retagging with the correct tag, selecting the text and
> applying Default Font - I've found nothing that works. What else should I
> try?
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FM7.2

 

Some paragraphs in a document I inherited have 'Para f:*footnote ref' as a 
paragraph tag. I have been unable to remove the reference to 'f:*footnote ref.' 
I've tried retagging with the correct tag, selecting the text and applying 
Default Font - I've found nothing that works. What else should I try?

 

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FM7.2



Some paragraphs in a document I inherited have 'Para f:*footnote ref' as a 
paragraph tag. I have been unable to remove the reference to 'f:*footnote ref.' 
I've tried retagging with the correct tag, selecting the text and applying 
Default Font - I've found nothing that works. What else should I try?



Chris

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[Stuart Rogers]

cseal at sympatico.ca wrote:
> FM7.2
> 
> 
> 
> Some paragraphs in a document I inherited have 'Para f:*footnote ref'
> as a paragraph tag. I have been unable to remove the reference to
> 'f:*footnote ref.' I've tried retagging with the correct tag,
> selecting the text and applying Default Font - I've found nothing
> that works. What else should I try?
> 
> 
> 
> Chris

Hi Chris,

That's not a paragraph tag.  The "f:" indicates it's a character tag. 
The asterisk means it's an override, which is to say the format is not 
in the Character Tag catalog, though the definition with the name 
"footnote ref" does exist in the document.

I don't know why it does not go away when you select the text and apply 
Default Pgf Font -- is it possible that the char tag is applied to the 
entire paragraph, thus overriding the pgf tag's own definition with a 
non-catalog definition?  Try selecting the entire pgf including pilcrow 
and applying the pgf tag and then Default Pgf Font.

HTH,

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[David Spreadbury]

Chris,
Apply a different tag to the selected text and then retag it with Para, this
will remove the errant footnote ref Character Tag.

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FM7.2



Some paragraphs in a document I inherited have 'Para f:*footnote ref' as a
paragraph tag. I have been unable to remove the reference to 'f:*footnote
ref.' I've tried retagging with the correct tag, selecting the text and
applying Default Font - I've found nothing that works. What else should I
try?



Chris
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