Structured FrameMaker 11 Windows 7 Font Issues

[George, Brenda (CAI)]

In my office we are upgrading from Structured FrameMaker 8 in a Windows XP 
environment to Structured FrameMaker 11 in a Windows 7 environment. I am 
currently performance testing the tasks that I need to perform. Part of the 
tasks involve importing XML feeds into Structured FrameMaker 11 using an 
automated process. After the XML has been imported, it is fully formatted in 
FrameMaker. I am noticing that most of the xml imports are throwing a font 
issue message. Refer to the attachment image named "font_issue_message" for an 
example of this message. Please note that I during this testing period, we 
upgraded two font families that are used:
Imago Book
Bembo

These were upgraded to:
Imago BQ
Bembo STD

This upgrade involved reinstalling the fonts on the test computer. This is when 
I started to notice these font related error messages.

I updated the FrameMaker templates and the EDD with the new fonts. The attached 
image named "font_issue_message" displays an font issue message that I am 
receiving. The font Bembo is the old font that has been replaced by Bembo STD. 
I'm also noticing Times is displaying in the error message. When the new fonts 
were installed this appears to have been replaced with Times New Roman.

I'm also encountering a FrameMaker console message with one set of xml feeds 
that are imported into a specific template. Please refer to the attached text 
file named "FrameMaker_Console_xml_importing_error_message". This is occurring 
because there are some xml tags that need to be unwrapped via the Read/Write 
Rules before being imported into the FrameMaker template. I think that this is 
why this error message is occurring. I was able to fix this in other FrameMaker 
templates by removing the unwrapping command in the Read/Write Rules. In order 
to maintain the structure for this template I need to maintain this unwrapping 
feature in this template. When I validate the  imported FrameMaker file using 
the FrameMaker validation tool, these FrameMaker files are valid and are 
formatted correctly. The problem is when I create pdfs, the font Imago BQ Bold 
is not embedding in the pdf. It is being substituted with Imago BQ BoldItalic. 
I have attached a screen capture named "Imago BQ Bold not embedding"  of the 
Adobe Acrobat Pro Document Properties/Fonts box that displays the embedded 
fonts for the problem pdfs. This font embedding issue is not occurring with the 
other FrameMaker files that use other templates.

I ran a test in which I eliminated the xml code that was causing the FrameMaker 
console error message. When I imported the xml feed into the FrameMaker 11 
template, the imported xml feed did not throw an error message. I generated a 
pdf for this FrameMaker file and the pdf is still substituting Imago BQ Bold 
with Imago BQ BoldItalic and is not embedding Imago BQ Bold font into the pdf, 
so I do not think that there is a correlation between the FrameMaker console 
error message that I am getting and the issue concerning the PDF font 
substitution issue.

The version of Adobe Acrobat that I am using is Adobe Acrobat X Pro.

Any help that you can provide to me will be appreciated.

Thanks.

Brenda George


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FW: Structured FrameMaker 11 Windows 7 Font Issues

[George, Brenda (CAI)]

I have additional information concerning the pdf issue with Imago BQ Bold not 
embedding in the PDF and being substituted with Imago BQ BoldItalic. After I 
generate the pdf, there is a Frame console message displaying that indicates:
Two or more font files with the same name 'UniversLTStd Regular Light Condensed 
(C:\windows\Fonts\UniversLTStd-LightCn.otf) are installed. Only the first font 
file will be used"

I have attached a screen capture of the message.

From: George, Brenda (CAI)
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:27 PM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: FW: Structured FrameMaker 11 Windows 7 Font Issues

I have an update concerning the font issue message that I am receiving when I 
am importing xml feeds into FM11. I opened the Read/Write file and received a 
message that the fonts need updated. The fonts that were being applied to the 
text in the Read/Write files were old fonts that needed to be updated. I 
updated these fonts, saved and then exited frameMaker, then reopened it. I then 
began reimporting the xml feeds. I am not noticing any font issue messages 
anymore, so I appear to have resolved the issue.

I am still having issues with the Imago BQ Bold font not embedding in the PDF 
and being substituted with Imago BQ BoldItalic font.

From: George, Brenda (CAI)
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:38 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Structured FrameMaker 11 Windows 7 Font Issues

In my office we are upgrading from Structured FrameMaker 8 in a Windows XP 
environment to Structured FrameMaker 11 in a Windows 7 environment. I am 
currently performance testing the tasks that I need to perform. Part of the 
tasks involve importing XML feeds into Structured FrameMaker 11 using an 
automated process. After the XML has been imported, it is fully formatted in 
FrameMaker. I am noticing that most of the xml imports are throwing a font 
issue message. Refer to the attachment image named "font_issue_message" for an 
example of this message. Please note that I during this testing period, we 
upgraded two font families that are used:
Imago Book
Bembo

These were upgraded to:
Imago BQ
Bembo STD

This upgrade involved reinstalling the fonts on the test computer. This is when 
I started to notice these font related error messages.

I updated the FrameMaker templates and the EDD with the new fonts. The attached 
image named "font_issue_message" displays an font issue message that I am 
receiving. The font Bembo is the old font that has been replaced by Bembo STD. 
I'm also noticing Times is displaying in the error message. When the new fonts 
were installed this appears to have been replaced with Times New Roman.

I'm also encountering a FrameMaker console message with one set of xml feeds 
that are imported into a specific template. Please refer to the attached text 
file named "FrameMaker_Console_xml_importing_error_message". This is occurring 
because there are some xml tags that need to be unwrapped via the Read/Write 
Rules before being imported into the FrameMaker template. I think that this is 
why this error message is occurring. I was able to fix this in other FrameMaker 
templates by removing the unwrapping command in the Read/Write Rules. In order 
to maintain the structure for this template I need to maintain this unwrapping 
feature in this template. When I validate the  imported FrameMaker file using 
the FrameMaker validation tool, these FrameMaker files are valid and are 
formatted correctly. The problem is when I create pdfs, the font Imago BQ Bold 
is not embedding in the pdf. It is being substituted with Imago BQ BoldItalic. 
I have attached a screen capture named "Imago BQ Bold not embedding"  of the 
Adobe Acrobat Pro Document Properties/Fonts box that displays the embedded 
fonts for the problem pdfs. This font embedding issue is not occurring with the 
other FrameMaker files that use other templates.

I ran a test in which I eliminated the xml code that was causing the FrameMaker 
console error message. When I imported the xml feed into the FrameMaker 11 
template, the imported xml feed did not throw an error message. I generated a 
pdf for this FrameMaker file and the pdf is still substituting Imago BQ Bold 
with Imago BQ BoldItalic and is not embedding Imago BQ Bold font into the pdf, 
so I do not think that there is a correlation between the FrameMaker console 
error message that I am getting and the issue concerning the PDF font 
substitution issue.

The version of Adobe Acrobat that I am using is Adobe Acrobat X Pro.

Any help that you can provide to me will be appreciated.

Thanks.

Brenda George


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Re: Font issues

[Mike Wickham]

I've gotten a little lost here. It's possible that the fonts in the text 
samples you previously sent didn't look like Times New Roman because of 
file compression artifacts, ClearType artifacts, or not zooming in 
before you sampled them. When fit to pixels on a screen, a font never 
has the detail of the same size font when printed. So the screen capture 
can be misleading. I'm also a little unclear on what the source 
document is. An existing PDF that you want to recreate in FrameMaker? If 
so, you may not be able to get it exact. Even if you get the right font 
and point size, there are line spacing, word spacing, letter spacing, 
and other settings that may affect the formatting of the text.


But you definitely have had some font substitution going on in the 
_source_ file. According to the Fonts tab of the PDF Document Properties 
in the latest text-source-details.png, Times New Roman has been 
substituted for Times and Adobe Serif MM has been substituted for New 
Century Schoolbook. Note the Actual Font details for each of those 
fonts, which shows the font actually displayed in the PDF. (If I recall 
correctly, Adobe Serif MM is the font Acrobat uses to generate a false 
serif font, when the actual font is missing. So also check that NCS is 
actually installed.)


But, in text-frame-details.png, the PDF font properties show that TNR is 
indeed being used. So, it appears that the source document is set up to 
use Times and your FM document is set up to use TNR. You have to decide 
which you want to use.


You didn't mention if you tried printing to Adobe PDF to see if there 
was any difference. It tends to be more problem-free than Save as PDF.


Mike Wickham

On 7/20/2013 10:34 AM, Chris Coggins wrote:
I'm not sure it will help any, but here are a couple more graphics to 
show what fonts are embedded and in use in the two documents. I'm on 
XP with Frame 10 and Acrobat X Pro.


Times New Roman is installed in the system fonts directory, and Adobe 
PDF is set as the default printer.





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Font issues

[Mike Wickham]

I've gotten a little lost here. It's possible that the fonts in the text 
samples you previously sent didn't look like Times New Roman because of 
file compression artifacts, ClearType artifacts, or not zooming in 
before you sampled them. When fit to pixels on a screen, a font never 
has the detail of the same size font when printed. So the screen capture 
can be misleading. I'm also a little unclear on what the "source" 
document is. An existing PDF that you want to recreate in FrameMaker? If 
so, you may not be able to get it exact. Even if you get the right font 
and point size, there are line spacing, word spacing, letter spacing, 
and other settings that may affect the formatting of the text.

But you definitely have had some font substitution going on in the 
_source_ file. According to the Fonts tab of the PDF Document Properties 
in the latest text-source-details.png, Times New Roman has been 
substituted for Times and Adobe Serif MM has been substituted for New 
Century Schoolbook. Note the "Actual Font" details for each of those 
fonts, which shows the font actually displayed in the PDF. (If I recall 
correctly, Adobe Serif MM is the font Acrobat uses to generate a false 
serif font, when the actual font is missing. So also check that NCS is 
actually installed.)

But, in text-frame-details.png, the PDF font properties show that TNR is 
indeed being used. So, it appears that the source document is set up to 
use Times and your FM document is set up to use TNR. You have to decide 
which you want to use.

You didn't mention if you tried printing to Adobe PDF to see if there 
was any difference. It tends to be more problem-free than Save as PDF.

Mike Wickham

On 7/20/2013 10:34 AM, Chris Coggins wrote:
> I'm not sure it will help any, but here are a couple more graphics to 
> show what fonts are embedded and in use in the two documents. I'm on 
> XP with Frame 10 and Acrobat X Pro.
>
> Times New Roman is installed in the system fonts directory, and Adobe 
> PDF is set as the default printer.
>

Re: Font issues

[Art Campbell]

In addition to Mike's excellent analysis... depending on the age and type
of system the original was created on, it's quite possible that the font
whatever it is (and I agree with Mike, it ain's TNR), is a system font,
from Apple, Windows XP, or some other vendor. For instance, if your FM tag
calls for Time, Times NR, or another vendor's version would be substituted
if Times isn't available -- and vice versa -- if TNR isn't available,
something will be substituted.

Second... if you have Acrobat, you should be able to see what font is in
use for a passage, what fonts are embedded, the type of system the file was
built on and other info about how it was created. That should help you
track down what's actually happening.

Art

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On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote:

 The font is different in those two samples, and neither one of them
 appears to be Times New Roman.

 So check to be sure you are using the font that you think you are. Also,
 make sure that Adobe PDF is set as your default printer when working in FM,
 or the PDF output may not match what you see in FM. The print driver can
 affect the fonts available. The free SetPrint utility will set Adobe PDF as
 the default printer, without altering the default for any other Windows
 programs. 
 (http://sundorne.com/**FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.**htmhttp://sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm
 )

 Make sure your font is actually installed on your computer. If you have a
 printer besides Adobe PDF set as the default in FM, then FM can see and use
 its printer resident fonts-- that is, fonts that are hard-wired inside
 the printer and available for printing _on that printer_, but not
 necessarily installed on the computer where they would be available to
 embed in a PDF. If the font isn't actually installed on the computer--
 usually in the \windows\fonts folder-- the PDF will be forced to substitute
 with something else.

 Make sure your font is set to embed in the PDF. If you have Acrobat, you
 use Acrobat Distiller to do this, editing the appropriate settings file.
 The High Quality Print settings file has all fonts set to embed, unless
 someone altered it.

 You also might trying printing to the Adobe PDF virtual printer, rather
 than using Save as PDF. You didn't mention which FrameMaker version you
 have, but Save as PDF was highly unreliable in older versions-- so much so
 that all the gurus warned to avoid it.

 Anyway, those are some starting places to look.

 Mike Wickham


 On 7/18/2013 6:29 PM, Chris Coggins wrote:

 Attached are two screen caps of a portion of text: 1 is the resultant PDF
 from a Framemaker  file recreating a source document, the other is from the
 source document itself. The fonts are the same on both documents (10pt
 TNR), so why do they come out looking so small in the frame document?

 Frame font is TNR 10pt, 0% Spread, 100% Stretch, 12 pt Line Spacing. PDF
 was generated via save-as PDF command, High Quality Print setting in both
 frame and distiller.

 What should I do differently to make the PDF from Framemaker match the
 source?



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[Art Campbell]

In addition to Mike's excellent analysis... depending on the age and type
of system the original was created on, it's quite possible that the font
whatever it is (and I agree with Mike, it ain's TNR), is a system font,
from Apple, Windows XP, or some other vendor. For instance, if your FM tag
calls for Time, Times NR, or another vendor's version would be substituted
if Times isn't available -- and vice versa -- if TNR isn't available,
something will be substituted.

Second... if you have Acrobat, you should be able to see what font is in
use for a passage, what fonts are embedded, the type of system the file was
built on and other info about how it was created. That should help you
track down what's actually happening.

Art

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On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Mike Wickham  wrote:

> The font is different in those two samples, and neither one of them
> appears to be Times New Roman.
>
> So check to be sure you are using the font that you think you are. Also,
> make sure that Adobe PDF is set as your default printer when working in FM,
> or the PDF output may not match what you see in FM. The print driver can
> affect the fonts available. The free SetPrint utility will set Adobe PDF as
> the default printer, without altering the default for any other Windows
> programs. 
> (http://sundorne.com/**FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.**htm
> )
>
> Make sure your font is actually installed on your computer. If you have a
> printer besides Adobe PDF set as the default in FM, then FM can see and use
> its "printer resident" fonts-- that is, fonts that are hard-wired inside
> the printer and available for printing _on that printer_, but not
> necessarily installed on the computer where they would be available to
> embed in a PDF. If the font isn't actually installed on the computer--
> usually in the \windows\fonts folder-- the PDF will be forced to substitute
> with something else.
>
> Make sure your font is set to embed in the PDF. If you have Acrobat, you
> use Acrobat Distiller to do this, editing the appropriate settings file.
> The High Quality Print settings file has all fonts set to embed, unless
> someone altered it.
>
> You also might trying printing to the Adobe PDF virtual printer, rather
> than using Save as PDF. You didn't mention which FrameMaker version you
> have, but Save as PDF was highly unreliable in older versions-- so much so
> that all the gurus warned to avoid it.
>
> Anyway, those are some starting places to look.
>
> Mike Wickham
>
>
> On 7/18/2013 6:29 PM, Chris Coggins wrote:
>
>> Attached are two screen caps of a portion of text: 1 is the resultant PDF
>> from a Framemaker  file recreating a source document, the other is from the
>> source document itself. The fonts are the same on both documents (10pt
>> TNR), so why do they come out looking so small in the frame document?
>>
>> Frame font is TNR 10pt, 0% Spread, 100% Stretch, 12 pt Line Spacing. PDF
>> was generated via save-as PDF command, High Quality Print setting in both
>> frame and distiller.
>>
>> What should I do differently to make the PDF from Framemaker match the
>> source?
>>
>>
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Font issues

[Chris Coggins]

I'm not sure it will help any, but here are a couple more graphics to show
what fonts are embedded and in use in the two documents. I'm on XP with
Frame 10 and Acrobat X Pro.

Times New Roman is installed in the system fonts directory, and Adobe PDF
is set as the default printer.


On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Art Campbell wrote:

> In addition to Mike's excellent analysis... depending on the age and type
> of system the original was created on, it's quite possible that the font
> whatever it is (and I agree with Mike, it ain's TNR), is a system font,
> from Apple, Windows XP, or some other vendor. For instance, if your FM tag
> calls for Time, Times NR, or another vendor's version would be substituted
> if Times isn't available -- and vice versa -- if TNR isn't available,
> something will be substituted.
>
> Second... if you have Acrobat, you should be able to see what font is in
> use for a passage, what fonts are embedded, the type of system the file was
> built on and other info about how it was created. That should help you
> track down what's actually happening.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
> art.campbell at gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>   No disclaimers apply.
>DoD 358
>
> I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
>
>> The font is different in those two samples, and neither one of them
>> appears to be Times New Roman.
>>
>> So check to be sure you are using the font that you think you are. Also,
>> make sure that Adobe PDF is set as your default printer when working in FM,
>> or the PDF output may not match what you see in FM. The print driver can
>> affect the fonts available. The free SetPrint utility will set Adobe PDF as
>> the default printer, without altering the default for any other Windows
>> programs. 
>> (http://sundorne.com/**FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.**htm
>> )
>>
>> Make sure your font is actually installed on your computer. If you have a
>> printer besides Adobe PDF set as the default in FM, then FM can see and use
>> its "printer resident" fonts-- that is, fonts that are hard-wired inside
>> the printer and available for printing _on that printer_, but not
>> necessarily installed on the computer where they would be available to
>> embed in a PDF. If the font isn't actually installed on the computer--
>> usually in the \windows\fonts folder-- the PDF will be forced to substitute
>> with something else.
>>
>> Make sure your font is set to embed in the PDF. If you have Acrobat, you
>> use Acrobat Distiller to do this, editing the appropriate settings file.
>> The High Quality Print settings file has all fonts set to embed, unless
>> someone altered it.
>>
>> You also might trying printing to the Adobe PDF virtual printer, rather
>> than using Save as PDF. You didn't mention which FrameMaker version you
>> have, but Save as PDF was highly unreliable in older versions-- so much so
>> that all the gurus warned to avoid it.
>>
>> Anyway, those are some starting places to look.
>>
>> Mike Wickham
>>
>>
>> On 7/18/2013 6:29 PM, Chris Coggins wrote:
>>
>>> Attached are two screen caps of a portion of text: 1 is the resultant
>>> PDF from a Framemaker  file recreating a source document, the other is from
>>> the source document itself. The fonts are the same on both documents (10pt
>>> TNR), so why do they come out looking so small in the frame document?
>>>
>>> Frame font is TNR 10pt, 0% Spread, 100% Stretch, 12 pt Line Spacing. PDF
>>> was generated via save-as PDF command, High Quality Print setting in both
>>> frame and distiller.
>>>
>>> What should I do differently to make the PDF from Framemaker match the
>>> source?
>>>
>>>
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Font issues

[Chris Coggins]

Attached are two screen caps of a portion of text: 1 is the resultant PDF
from a Framemaker  file recreating a source document, the other is from the
source document itself. The fonts are the same on both documents (10pt
TNR), so why do they come out looking so small in the frame document?

Frame font is TNR 10pt, 0% Spread, 100% Stretch, 12 pt Line Spacing. PDF
was generated via save-as PDF command, High Quality Print setting in both
frame and distiller.

What should I do differently to make the PDF from Framemaker match the
source?
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Re: Font issues

[Mike Wickham]

The font is different in those two samples, and neither one of them 
appears to be Times New Roman.


So check to be sure you are using the font that you think you are. Also, 
make sure that Adobe PDF is set as your default printer when working in 
FM, or the PDF output may not match what you see in FM. The print driver 
can affect the fonts available. The free SetPrint utility will set Adobe 
PDF as the default printer, without altering the default for any other 
Windows programs. (http://sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm)


Make sure your font is actually installed on your computer. If you have 
a printer besides Adobe PDF set as the default in FM, then FM can see 
and use its printer resident fonts-- that is, fonts that are 
hard-wired inside the printer and available for printing _on that 
printer_, but not necessarily installed on the computer where they would 
be available to embed in a PDF. If the font isn't actually installed on 
the computer-- usually in the \windows\fonts folder-- the PDF will be 
forced to substitute with something else.


Make sure your font is set to embed in the PDF. If you have Acrobat, you 
use Acrobat Distiller to do this, editing the appropriate settings file. 
The High Quality Print settings file has all fonts set to embed, unless 
someone altered it.


You also might trying printing to the Adobe PDF virtual printer, rather 
than using Save as PDF. You didn't mention which FrameMaker version you 
have, but Save as PDF was highly unreliable in older versions-- so much 
so that all the gurus warned to avoid it.


Anyway, those are some starting places to look.

Mike Wickham

On 7/18/2013 6:29 PM, Chris Coggins wrote:
Attached are two screen caps of a portion of text: 1 is the resultant 
PDF from a Framemaker  file recreating a source document, the other is 
from the source document itself. The fonts are the same on both 
documents (10pt TNR), so why do they come out looking so small in the 
frame document?


Frame font is TNR 10pt, 0% Spread, 100% Stretch, 12 pt Line Spacing. 
PDF was generated via save-as PDF command, High Quality Print setting 
in both frame and distiller.


What should I do differently to make the PDF from Framemaker match the 
source?





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[Chris Coggins]

Attached are two screen caps of a portion of text: 1 is the resultant PDF
from a Framemaker  file recreating a source document, the other is from the
source document itself. The fonts are the same on both documents (10pt
TNR), so why do they come out looking so small in the frame document?

Frame font is TNR 10pt, 0% Spread, 100% Stretch, 12 pt Line Spacing. PDF
was generated via save-as PDF command, High Quality Print setting in both
frame and distiller.

What should I do differently to make the PDF from Framemaker match the
source?
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Font issues

[Mike Wickham]

The font is different in those two samples, and neither one of them 
appears to be Times New Roman.

So check to be sure you are using the font that you think you are. Also, 
make sure that Adobe PDF is set as your default printer when working in 
FM, or the PDF output may not match what you see in FM. The print driver 
can affect the fonts available. The free SetPrint utility will set Adobe 
PDF as the default printer, without altering the default for any other 
Windows programs. (http://sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm)

Make sure your font is actually installed on your computer. If you have 
a printer besides Adobe PDF set as the default in FM, then FM can see 
and use its "printer resident" fonts-- that is, fonts that are 
hard-wired inside the printer and available for printing _on that 
printer_, but not necessarily installed on the computer where they would 
be available to embed in a PDF. If the font isn't actually installed on 
the computer-- usually in the \windows\fonts folder-- the PDF will be 
forced to substitute with something else.

Make sure your font is set to embed in the PDF. If you have Acrobat, you 
use Acrobat Distiller to do this, editing the appropriate settings file. 
The High Quality Print settings file has all fonts set to embed, unless 
someone altered it.

You also might trying printing to the Adobe PDF virtual printer, rather 
than using Save as PDF. You didn't mention which FrameMaker version you 
have, but Save as PDF was highly unreliable in older versions-- so much 
so that all the gurus warned to avoid it.

Anyway, those are some starting places to look.

Mike Wickham

On 7/18/2013 6:29 PM, Chris Coggins wrote:
> Attached are two screen caps of a portion of text: 1 is the resultant 
> PDF from a Framemaker  file recreating a source document, the other is 
> from the source document itself. The fonts are the same on both 
> documents (10pt TNR), so why do they come out looking so small in the 
> frame document?
>
> Frame font is TNR 10pt, 0% Spread, 100% Stretch, 12 pt Line Spacing. 
> PDF was generated via save-as PDF command, High Quality Print setting 
> in both frame and distiller.
>
> What should I do differently to make the PDF from Framemaker match the 
> source?
>

Font Issues - Keeping Your File Clean - More Recap

[Oran Petersen]

As a Postscript (no pun intended) to the earlier recap of font issues, I 
offer the following: 
As Stuart Rogers mentioned, pasting text, with the help of a plugin, can also 
solve font issues. 
Many companies, mine included, do not allow use of plugins as they fall under 
the realm of unapproved software and getting them approved is a long painful 
process. 
But you can easily paste text without the plugin several different ways. 
Easiest is to just use the menu EditPaste Special and select Text. 

But if you are doing significant amounts of pasting, this can slow you down, 
and it is easy to forget. 
For most of our authors, I have modified the maker.ini file to set Text as 
the default. The Frame default is OLE, which as most of you know, is a disaster 
in newer Windows systems. 

To do this, navigate Program FilesAdobe..FrameMaker(n) and open the 
maker.ini file in a text editor. (I suggest a backup file prior). 
You can also do a Windows search for the file, but be aware that there is a 
sub maker.ini file for each user on the machine that holds specific settings 
for that user on that machine. Do not modify this one. Find the the one in 
Program Files. 

Search(find) TEXT in the file. You will see a string similar to (may differ 
with Frame version): 


ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIFW, MIF, RTF, 
UNICODE TEXT, TEXT 

Move TEXT in front of FILE, as shown below, save the file, and re-launch Frame 
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, TEXT, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIFW, MIF, 
RTF, UNICODE TEXT 

Now unformatted text is the default paste action, and Paste Special is not 
needed. Two more points: 
1. In Paste Special, the order of the list items does not reflect the order in 
maker.ini. 
2. You can still use Paste Special to select RTF, etc. to override the new 
default text paste if you wish. 

Also, many of our authors open Word files in FrameMaker to do their copy paste 
operations. This come from many sources, and are often very dirty from a 
format perspective. If you wish to paste Rich Text Format from Word to carry 
some formatting, or just use the Frame version of the Word file, you can do 
clean up by finding and deleting the hidden character \x0d. (no quotes, and 
it is a zero, not an o). You can also do this with a mif wash, but I think 
this is easier. 
Oran Petersen 
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RE: Font Issues - Keeping Your File Clean - More Recap

[Lea Rush]

This is great information, Oran.  Thanks!!

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Font Issues - Keeping Your File Clean - More Recap




As a Postscript (no pun intended) to the earlier recap of font issues, I 
offer the following: 
As Stuart Rogers mentioned, pasting text, with the help of a plugin, can also 
solve font issues. 
Many companies, mine included, do not allow use of plugins as they fall under 
the realm of unapproved software and getting them approved is a long painful 
process. 
But you can easily paste text without the plugin several different ways. 
Easiest is to just use the menu EditPaste Special and select Text. 

But if you are doing significant amounts of pasting, this can slow you down, 
and it is easy to forget. 
For most of our authors, I have modified the maker.ini file to set Text as 
the default. The Frame default is OLE, which as most of you know, is a disaster 
in newer Windows systems. 

To do this, navigate Program FilesAdobe..FrameMaker(n) and open the 
maker.ini file in a text editor. (I suggest a backup file prior). 
You can also do a Windows search for the file, but be aware that there is a 
sub maker.ini file for each user on the machine that holds specific settings 
for that user on that machine. Do not modify this one. Find the the one in 
Program Files. 

Search(find) TEXT in the file. You will see a string similar to (may differ 
with Frame version): 


ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIFW, MIF, RTF, 
UNICODE TEXT, TEXT 

Move TEXT in front of FILE, as shown below, save the file, and re-launch Frame 
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, TEXT, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIFW, MIF, 
RTF, UNICODE TEXT 

Now unformatted text is the default paste action, and Paste Special is not 
needed. Two more points: 
1. In Paste Special, the order of the list items does not reflect the order in 
maker.ini. 
2. You can still use Paste Special to select RTF, etc. to override the new 
default text paste if you wish. 

Also, many of our authors open Word files in FrameMaker to do their copy paste 
operations. This come from many sources, and are often very dirty from a 
format perspective. If you wish to paste Rich Text Format from Word to carry 
some formatting, or just use the Frame version of the Word file, you can do 
clean up by finding and deleting the hidden character \x0d. (no quotes, and 
it is a zero, not an o). You can also do this with a mif wash, but I think 
this is easier. 
Oran Petersen 

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RE: Font Issues - Keeping Your File Clean - More Recap

[Fred Ridder]

Oran Petersen wrote (in small part):

 Now unformatted text is the default paste action, and Paste Special is not 
 needed. Two more points: 
 1. In Paste Special, the order of the list items does not reflect the order 
 in maker.ini. 
 2. You can still use Paste Special to select RTF, etc. to override the new 
 default text paste if you wish. 


Note that changing the format priority order in maker.ini only affects content 
that is being pasted via the OS's clipboard; i.e. content from another 
application. If you are copying and pasting from another FrameMaker document, 
the clipboard is not involved and the paste results will always be formatted 
text unless you explicitly choose plain text via Paste Special or an accessory 
tool like PureText or HovText.

-Fred Ridder

 

 
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Font Issues - Unavaiilable Fonts and Font Information Changed - Recap

[Andy Kass]

Another solution to avoid pasting random fonts and formats into Frame is set 
your ClipboardFormatsPriorities in maker.ini (either the user copy or the 
system copy). I believe the following setting will do the the trick:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=UNICODE TEXT, TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, 
BMP, MIFW, MIF, RTF

Although I personally removed OLE2 from this list because I never want to have 
to deal with it--there are probably others as well, but I'm not sure about all 
the formats listed.

But I like the idea of PureText, it sounds like it will solve the issue of 
FrameMaker's internal paste buffer retaining paragraph formatting that I don't 
want in the destination paragraph. Like Paste Special  Text, but faster. 
Here's a link to a previous thread on this list:

  http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2007-March/007038.html

Karen Robbins wrote: Also working on ways to get co-users to use character 
styles (more) correctly.

My solution to the rogue formatting was to customize the menus and toolbars 
(and command shortcut definitions) to remove the ability to do so. Instead, I 
have many ways to access the catalog of character and paragraph tags, ensuring 
that only formats from my templates can be applied. As a side benefit, my 
FrameMaker menus are now decluttered.

Hope that helps,

  Andy

ak...@jaspersoft.com

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From: Stuart Rogers srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com
Subject: Re: Font Issues - Unavaiilable Fonts and Font Information Changed - 
Recap

 Oran Petersen wrote:
 
  Following the two recent threads on the list concerning fonts, I did
  not see a comprehensive recap of these issues for cause and cure.
 
  CAUSE-Unavailable fonts
 
  1. Most postscript printers come loaded with a set of Postscript
  fonts.
 
  2. If you set a postscript printer as your default, Windows will
  see these fonts and allow you to use them in your documents. Also,
  if you copy/paste text from another document that uses them you can
  also inject them into your documents.


 Good summary, Oran, thank you.
 
 Two further points:
 
 Some printer drivers can be set so that Windows *doesn't* see the
 printer's fonts.  The driver for our Lexmark of a few years ago had a
 checkbox labelled Do not report printer fonts to applications (or
 similar wording), which I always kept checked.  Unfortunately, our
 current printer does not offer the same choice.  No big deal, since I
 use SetPrint anyway, but this info may help others.
 
 I also advocate the use of PureText for pasting content from other
 applications.  After installation, Ctrl+v continues to work normally,
 but Windows+v pastes the clipboard contents with formatting removed.
 It's free:
 http://stevemiller.net/PureText
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Font Issues - Keeping Your File Clean - More Recap

[Oran Petersen]

As a "Postscript" (no pun intended) to the earlier recap of font issues, I 
offer the following: 
As Stuart Rogers mentioned, pasting text, with the help of a plugin, can also 
solve font issues. 
Many companies, mine included, do not allow use of plugins as they fall under 
the realm of "unapproved software" and getting them approved is a long?painful 
process. 
But you can easily paste text without the plugin several different ways. 
Easiest is to just use the menu Edit>Paste Special and select "Text". 

But if you are doing significant amounts of pasting, this can slow you down, 
and it is easy to forget. 
For most of our authors, I have modified the maker.ini file to set "Text" as 
the default. The Frame default is OLE, which as most of you know, is a disaster 
in newer Windows systems. 

To do this, navigate Program Files>Adobe>...>...FrameMaker(n) and open the 
maker.ini file in a text editor. (I suggest a backup file prior). 
You can also do a Windows search for the file, but be aware that there is a 
"sub" maker.ini file for each user on the machine that holds specific settings 
for that user on that machine. Do not modify this one. Find the the one in 
Program Files. 

Search(find) TEXT in the file. You will see a string similar to (may differ 
with Frame version): 


ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIFW, MIF, RTF, 
UNICODE TEXT, TEXT 

Move TEXT in front of FILE, as shown below, save the file, and re-launch Frame 
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, TEXT, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIFW, MIF, 
RTF, UNICODE TEXT 

Now unformatted text is the default paste action, and Paste Special is not 
needed. Two more points: 
1. In Paste Special, the order of the list items does not reflect the order in 
maker.ini. 
2. You can still use Paste Special to select RTF, etc. to override the new 
default text paste if you wish. 

Also, many of our authors open Word files in FrameMaker to do their copy paste 
operations. This come from many sources, and are often very "dirty" from a 
format perspective. If you wish to paste Rich Text Format from Word to carry 
some formatting, or just use the Frame version of the Word file, you can do 
clean up by finding and deleting the hidden character "\x0d". (no quotes, and 
it is a zero, not an "o"). You can also do this with a mif wash, but I think 
this is easier. 
Oran Petersen 

Font Issues - Keeping Your File Clean - More Recap

[Lea Rush]

This is great information, Oran.  Thanks!!

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Oran Petersen
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:36 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Font Issues - Keeping Your File Clean - More Recap




As a "Postscript" (no pun intended) to the earlier recap of font issues, I 
offer the following: 
As Stuart Rogers mentioned, pasting text, with the help of a plugin, can also 
solve font issues. 
Many companies, mine included, do not allow use of plugins as they fall under 
the realm of "unapproved software" and getting them approved is a long painful 
process. 
But you can easily paste text without the plugin several different ways. 
Easiest is to just use the menu Edit>Paste Special and select "Text". 

But if you are doing significant amounts of pasting, this can slow you down, 
and it is easy to forget. 
For most of our authors, I have modified the maker.ini file to set "Text" as 
the default. The Frame default is OLE, which as most of you know, is a disaster 
in newer Windows systems. 

To do this, navigate Program Files>Adobe>...>...FrameMaker(n) and open the 
maker.ini file in a text editor. (I suggest a backup file prior). 
You can also do a Windows search for the file, but be aware that there is a 
"sub" maker.ini file for each user on the machine that holds specific settings 
for that user on that machine. Do not modify this one. Find the the one in 
Program Files. 

Search(find) TEXT in the file. You will see a string similar to (may differ 
with Frame version): 


ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIFW, MIF, RTF, 
UNICODE TEXT, TEXT 

Move TEXT in front of FILE, as shown below, save the file, and re-launch Frame 
ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, TEXT, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIFW, MIF, 
RTF, UNICODE TEXT 

Now unformatted text is the default paste action, and Paste Special is not 
needed. Two more points: 
1. In Paste Special, the order of the list items does not reflect the order in 
maker.ini. 
2. You can still use Paste Special to select RTF, etc. to override the new 
default text paste if you wish. 

Also, many of our authors open Word files in FrameMaker to do their copy paste 
operations. This come from many sources, and are often very "dirty" from a 
format perspective. If you wish to paste Rich Text Format from Word to carry 
some formatting, or just use the Frame version of the Word file, you can do 
clean up by finding and deleting the hidden character "\x0d". (no quotes, and 
it is a zero, not an "o"). You can also do this with a mif wash, but I think 
this is easier. 
Oran Petersen 

_ 
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Software and Documentation Specialist 
Astoria-Pacific International 
www.astoria-pacific.com
ph: 800-657-3010 
fax:  503-655-7367 
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Font Issues - Keeping Your File Clean - More Recap

[Fred Ridder]

Oran Petersen wrote (in small part):

> Now unformatted text is the default paste action, and Paste Special is not 
> needed. Two more points: 
> 1. In Paste Special, the order of the list items does not reflect the order 
> in maker.ini. 
> 2. You can still use Paste Special to select RTF, etc. to override the new 
> default text paste if you wish. 


Note that changing the format priority order in maker.ini only affects content 
that is being pasted via the OS's clipboard; i.e. content from another 
application. If you are copying and pasting from another FrameMaker document, 
the clipboard is not involved and the paste results will always be formatted 
text unless you explicitly choose plain text via Paste Special or an accessory 
tool like PureText or HovText.

-Fred Ridder

Font Issues - Unavaiilable Fonts and Font Information Changed - Recap

[Andy Kass]

Another solution to avoid pasting random fonts and formats into Frame is set 
your ClipboardFormatsPriorities in maker.ini (either the user copy or the 
system copy). I believe the following setting will do the the trick:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=UNICODE TEXT, TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, 
BMP, MIFW, MIF, RTF

Although I personally removed OLE2 from this list because I never want to have 
to deal with it--there are probably others as well, but I'm not sure about all 
the formats listed.

But I like the idea of PureText, it sounds like it will solve the issue of 
FrameMaker's internal paste buffer retaining paragraph formatting that I don't 
want in the destination paragraph. Like Paste Special > Text, but faster. 
Here's a link to a previous thread on this list:

  http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2007-March/007038.html

Karen Robbins wrote: "Also working on ways to get co-users to use character 
styles (more) correctly."

My solution to the "rogue formatting" was to customize the menus and toolbars 
(and command shortcut definitions) to remove the ability to do so. Instead, I 
have many ways to access the catalog of character and paragraph tags, ensuring 
that only formats from my templates can be applied. As a side benefit, my 
FrameMaker menus are now decluttered.

Hope that helps,

  Andy

akass at jaspersoft.com

--
From: Stuart Rogers <srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com>
Subject: Re: Font Issues - Unavaiilable Fonts and Font Information Changed - 
Recap

> Oran Petersen wrote:
> >
> > Following the two recent threads on the list concerning fonts, I did
> > not see a comprehensive recap of these issues for cause and cure.
> >
> > CAUSE-Unavailable fonts
> >
> > 1. Most postscript printers come loaded with a set of Postscript
> > fonts.
> >
> > 2. If you set a postscript printer as your default, Windows will
> > "see" these fonts and allow you to use them in your documents. Also,
> > if you copy/paste text from another document that uses them you can
> > also inject them into your documents.
>
>
> Good summary, Oran, thank you.
> 
> Two further points:
> 
> Some printer drivers can be set so that Windows *doesn't* see the
> printer's fonts.  The driver for our Lexmark of a few years ago had a
> checkbox labelled "Do not report printer fonts to applications" (or
> similar wording), which I always kept checked.  Unfortunately, our
> current printer does not offer the same choice.  No big deal, since I
> use SetPrint anyway, but this info may help others.
> 
> I also advocate the use of PureText for pasting content from other
> applications.  After installation, Ctrl+v continues to work normally,
> but Windows+v pastes the clipboard contents with formatting removed.
> It's free:
> http://stevemiller.net/PureText

Re: Font Issues - Unavaiilable Fonts and Font Information Changed - Recap

[Stuart Rogers]

Oran Petersen wrote:
 
 Following the two recent threads on the list concerning fonts, I did
 not see a comprehensive recap of these issues for cause and cure.
 
 CAUSE-Unavailable fonts
 
 1. Most postscript printers come loaded with a set of Postscript
 fonts.
 
 2. If you set a postscript printer as your default, Windows will
 see these fonts and allow you to use them in your documents. Also,
 if you copy/paste text from another document that uses them you can
 also inject them into your documents.
 

Good summary, Oran, thank you.

Two further points:

Some printer drivers can be set so that Windows *doesn't* see the 
printer's fonts.  The driver for our Lexmark of a few years ago had a 
checkbox labelled Do not report printer fonts to applications (or 
similar wording), which I always kept checked.  Unfortunately, our 
current printer does not offer the same choice.  No big deal, since I 
use SetPrint anyway, but this info may help others.

I also advocate the use of PureText for pasting content from other 
applications.  After installation, Ctrl+v continues to work normally, 
but Windows+v pastes the clipboard contents with formatting removed. 
It's free:
http://stevemiller.net/PureText

best regards,


-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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  Others must fail.

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Font Issues - Unavaiilable Fonts and Font Information Changed - Recap

[Stuart Rogers]

Oran Petersen wrote:
> 
> Following the two recent threads on the list concerning fonts, I did
> not see a comprehensive recap of these issues for cause and cure.
> 
> CAUSE-Unavailable fonts
> 
> 1. Most postscript printers come loaded with a set of Postscript
> fonts.
> 
> 2. If you set a postscript printer as your default, Windows will
> "see" these fonts and allow you to use them in your documents. Also,
> if you copy/paste text from another document that uses them you can
> also inject them into your documents.
> 

Good summary, Oran, thank you.

Two further points:

Some printer drivers can be set so that Windows *doesn't* see the 
printer's fonts.  The driver for our Lexmark of a few years ago had a 
checkbox labelled "Do not report printer fonts to applications" (or 
similar wording), which I always kept checked.  Unfortunately, our 
current printer does not offer the same choice.  No big deal, since I 
use SetPrint anyway, but this info may help others.

I also advocate the use of PureText for pasting content from other 
applications.  After installation, Ctrl+v continues to work normally, 
but Windows+v pastes the clipboard contents with formatting removed. 
It's free:
http://stevemiller.net/PureText

best regards,


-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"It is not enough that I succeed.
  Others must fail."

-- Oscar Wilde

Font Issues - Unavaiilable Fonts and Font Information Changed - Recap

[Oran Petersen]

Following the two recent threads on the list concerning fonts, I did not see a 
comprehensive recap of these issues for cause and cure. 

CAUSE-Unavailable fonts 

1. Most postscript printers come loaded with a set of Postscript fonts. 

2. If you set a postscript printer as your default, Windows will "see" these 
fonts and allow you to?use them in your documents. Also, if you copy/paste text 
from another document that uses them you can also inject them into your 
documents. 

3. Most computers do not have the postscript fonts installed. They must be 
purchased, and are not part of the default Windows font packages. Frankly, in 
today's world, unless you have very specific requirements, most of us do not 
need the postscript fonts. 

4. When you create PDF, you are using the Adobe PDF virtual printer, which does 
not have the postscript fonts, as it is not "real". This severs the connection 
to the postscript printer, and thus to the fonts. You will therefore get the 
"Unavailable Fonts" message whenever you do a PDF. 

5. The most common postscript fonts have an equivalent OpenType or TrueType. 
The two worst offenders are postscript Helvetica = Opentype Arial and 
postscript Times = opentype Times New Roman. Default mapping will change to the 
opentype unless you have changed the setting to do otherwise. 

6. With XP and Vista, the need to use postscript fonts, and the need to use 
special tools to manage fonts is essentially gone for most of us. 

7. Of course, any time you open a document from another source, that source may 
use any number of fonts not on your system, including Company specific and 
proprietary fonts for logos, etc. This will always display the font message 
when you first open the file. 



CURE-Unavailable fonts 

We have over 130 FrameMaker users bringing in data from multiple sources, 
including customers, on a regular basis. This data is added to our files 
several different ways. In spite of this, we now have very little issue with 
font messages by adopting the following: 



1. In your templates, use only opentype fonts, preferably within the default 
font set included with Windows. If you have any postscript fonts defined in 
your template, get rid of them. If you must have a special font, be absolutely 
certain that it is loaded on every computer in your system that may open the 
files. (We have one of these) When new machines come in, your SA must load 
these fonts as part of the setup for the machine. If you do work at home, your 
machine must have the fonts. 

2. In FrameMaker, as suggested earlier in the thread, uncheck the "Remember 
Missing Font Names" in Preferences. Caution: If you open a file with this 
setting that has needed fonts not on your machine, you will corrupt the file. 
The Frame Console will inform you of which fonts are mapped and to which 
font.?Either do not save the file, or temporarily check the box to "remember" 
the font if you must edit on this machine. 

3. Set your default printer to Adobe PDF. This severs the connection to "bad" 
postscript fonts on your printers. 

Steps 2 & 3 will "remap" any "bad" fonts brought in by editing or using data 
from other sources, and keep your files clean. 



CAUSE-"Font Information Changed" message when changing printers from the 
FrameMaker print dialog. 

This message appears whenever you select a printer other than the default from 
within the FrameMaker print dialog. FrameMaker is warning you that you may get 
unexpected font issues due to this change, regardless of any "real" issues. 



CURE-"Font Information Changed" 

This one is quite obvious. Either live with the message or don't change the 
printer in the dialog. Our authors mostly use Adobe PDF as the default printer, 
which also solves the other font issues. Most of our print output is PDF. If we 
need a paper print from Frame we live with the message when we point to the 
postscript printer. This is becoming more rare as most authors work with PDF on 
screen now. 

Hope this helps. 

Oran 

Font Issues

[Tracy, Dick]

In the past week, we have font issues with our systems. It first started
with CronoMM_408 Rg 11 OP font as being missing and now we're getting
messages that FrameMaker cannot find AGaramond fonts
(regular-italics-bold). The AGaramond font is installed on our systems. 

I want to make sure AGaramond font works and I also want the CronoMM_408
RG 11 OP font to be replaced (which we have on our systems) to Cronos
Pro. How can I make this global change in FrameMaker (step-by-step
details needed)? Also, why does it seem like it's our .PFM/.PFB fonts
are giving us issues? Is Adobe not supporting
these fonts anymore?

 

Best regards,

Dick

 

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Re: Font Issues

[Art Campbell]

Details on your working environment, such as OS in use, FM version in
use, server issues, default printer settings, whether Acrobat is in
use, whether you're using ATM or not, or some other font manager, and
whether the problem is pervasive or only in a couple of files would be
helpful.

As I know, Adobe continues to support PostScript, so that's probably
not the issue...

Art

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Tracy, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In the past week, we have font issues with our systems. It first started
 with CronoMM_408 Rg 11 OP font as being missing and now we're getting
 messages that FrameMaker cannot find AGaramond fonts
 (regular-italics-bold). The AGaramond font is installed on our systems.

 I want to make sure AGaramond font works and I also want the CronoMM_408
 RG 11 OP font to be replaced (which we have on our systems) to Cronos
 Pro. How can I make this global change in FrameMaker (step-by-step
 details needed)? Also, why does it seem like it's our .PFM/.PFB fonts
 are giving us issues? Is Adobe not supporting
 these fonts anymore?



 Best regards,

 Dick




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Re: Font Issues

[Art Campbell]

OK, Dick,

First, are these fonts part of your required format? Or are they not
used? The way to resolve the issue depends on whether they're
important or not.

Second, assuming that these are both PS families, were they installed
on the systems using ATM?

Art

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Tracy, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Art,

 I'm using FrameMaker 8 along with Acrobat 8 in a Windows XP Professional
 environment. The errors are happening on 4 separate systems and they
 appear when opening files, not printing.

 I have ATM Font manager on my system, but I'm not familiar with its use.
 So, we're trying to globally change CronoMM_408 RG 11 OP to CronosPro
 and AGaramond to AGaramondPro (CronosPro and AGaramondPro are loaded on
 our systems. Is there a global command to make these changes so when we
 open the files, we don't get the missing font error messages.


 -Original Message-
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:42 PM
 To: Tracy, Dick
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Font Issues

 Details on your working environment, such as OS in use, FM version in
 use, server issues, default printer settings, whether Acrobat is in
 use, whether you're using ATM or not, or some other font manager, and
 whether the problem is pervasive or only in a couple of files would be
 helpful.

 As I know, Adobe continues to support PostScript, so that's probably
 not the issue...

 Art

 On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Tracy, Dick
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In the past week, we have font issues with our systems. It first
 started
 with CronoMM_408 Rg 11 OP font as being missing and now we're getting
 messages that FrameMaker cannot find AGaramond fonts
 (regular-italics-bold). The AGaramond font is installed on our
 systems.

 I want to make sure AGaramond font works and I also want the
 CronoMM_408
 RG 11 OP font to be replaced (which we have on our systems) to Cronos
 Pro. How can I make this global change in FrameMaker (step-by-step
 details needed)? Also, why does it seem like it's our .PFM/.PFB fonts
 are giving us issues? Is Adobe not supporting
 these fonts anymore?



 Best regards,

 Dick




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Font Issues

[Tracy, Dick]

In the past week, we have font issues with our systems. It first started
with CronoMM_408 Rg 11 OP font as being missing and now we're getting
messages that FrameMaker cannot find AGaramond fonts
(regular-italics-bold). The AGaramond font is installed on our systems. 

I want to make sure AGaramond font works and I also want the CronoMM_408
RG 11 OP font to be replaced (which we have on our systems) to Cronos
Pro. How can I make this global change in FrameMaker (step-by-step
details needed)? Also, why does it seem like it's our .PFM/.PFB fonts
are giving us issues? Is Adobe not supporting
these fonts anymore?



Best regards,

Dick

Font Issues

[Art Campbell]

Details on your working environment, such as OS in use, FM version in
use, server issues, default printer settings, whether Acrobat is in
use, whether you're using ATM or not, or some other font manager, and
whether the problem is pervasive or only in a couple of files would be
helpful.

As I know, Adobe continues to support PostScript, so that's probably
not the issue...

Art

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Tracy, Dick  
wrote:
> In the past week, we have font issues with our systems. It first started
> with CronoMM_408 Rg 11 OP font as being missing and now we're getting
> messages that FrameMaker cannot find AGaramond fonts
> (regular-italics-bold). The AGaramond font is installed on our systems.
>
> I want to make sure AGaramond font works and I also want the CronoMM_408
> RG 11 OP font to be replaced (which we have on our systems) to Cronos
> Pro. How can I make this global change in FrameMaker (step-by-step
> details needed)? Also, why does it seem like it's our .PFM/.PFB fonts
> are giving us issues? Is Adobe not supporting
> these fonts anymore?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dick
>
>


-- 
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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Font Issues

[Art Campbell]

OK, Dick,

First, are these fonts part of your required format? Or are they not
used? The way to resolve the issue depends on whether they're
important or not.

Second, assuming that these are both PS families, were they installed
on the systems using ATM?

Art

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Tracy, Dick  
wrote:
> Art,
>
> I'm using FrameMaker 8 along with Acrobat 8 in a Windows XP Professional
> environment. The errors are happening on 4 separate systems and they
> appear when opening files, not printing.
>
> I have ATM Font manager on my system, but I'm not familiar with its use.
> So, we're trying to globally change CronoMM_408 RG 11 OP to CronosPro
> and AGaramond to AGaramondPro (CronosPro and AGaramondPro are loaded on
> our systems. Is there a global command to make these changes so when we
> open the files, we don't get the missing font error messages.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:42 PM
> To: Tracy, Dick
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Font Issues
>
> Details on your working environment, such as OS in use, FM version in
> use, server issues, default printer settings, whether Acrobat is in
> use, whether you're using ATM or not, or some other font manager, and
> whether the problem is pervasive or only in a couple of files would be
> helpful.
>
> As I know, Adobe continues to support PostScript, so that's probably
> not the issue...
>
> Art
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Tracy, Dick
>  wrote:
>> In the past week, we have font issues with our systems. It first
> started
>> with CronoMM_408 Rg 11 OP font as being missing and now we're getting
>> messages that FrameMaker cannot find AGaramond fonts
>> (regular-italics-bold). The AGaramond font is installed on our
> systems.
>>
>> I want to make sure AGaramond font works and I also want the
> CronoMM_408
>> RG 11 OP font to be replaced (which we have on our systems) to Cronos
>> Pro. How can I make this global change in FrameMaker (step-by-step
>> details needed)? Also, why does it seem like it's our .PFM/.PFB fonts
>> are giving us issues? Is Adobe not supporting
>> these fonts anymore?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>  DoD 358
>



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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
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Re: FM8 Unicode Font issues and suggestions

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Carla,

you hit a problem that can usually be avoided easily. Adobe confirmed  
there is a problem with Arial Unicode MS in

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/documentLink.do? 
micrositeId=MS_CustomerexternalID=kb402970

But in the first place: Why did you not continue to use plain old  
Arial? It *is* a Unicode font and has all the accented characters  
that you may wish for, even Cyrillic and Greek letters, and they all  
work beautifully with FrameMaker 8.0. Arial Unicode MS is basically a  
Chinese font that happens to have a lot of other glyphs as well. But  
at the same time Arial Unicode MS is missing a lot of desirable  
features (that do not hurt Chinese text):

* there is no bold or italic version of the font (you see just  
obliqued or bolded versions, which look nonsatisfying in print)

* there are no kerning pairs (most visible in letter combinations  
like Te)

* it has a problem with FrameMaker (or vice versa, who knows?)

It is a good idea (and entirely possible) to handle all languages  
based on Latin (and related) characters with a single font. But it is  
not a good idea to use a single font for *every* language. Please  
read question #3 in the following FAQ:

http://unicode.org/faq/han_cjk.html

My recommendation for you would be to use Arial or Times New Roman as  
far as possible, and then use one of the preinstalled fonts for the  
CJK area languages. If you check out the Internet Options control  
panel, click the Fonts button where you can select fonts for  
language regions: the list shows the fonts installed on your machine  
for each language region.

HTH,

- Michael

Am 28.03.2008 um 16:10 schrieb Martinek, Carla:
 OK... weird things are happening.

 I've got some Spanish content where I changed the font family to  
 Arial Unicode (from plain old Arial).  Accented characters suddenly  
 developed massive spacing around them  - for example:

  s   ó   lo  instead of
  sólo

 I need to specify a Unicode font set for our FM8 docs going  
 forward... Our current template specifies Arial and Times New  
 Roman.  I'm not married to either of them, but I NEED Unicode fonts  
 to work in the files I have going forward for some of my docs that  
 have multiple languages in them.  There's 28 other languages in  
 this same doc (a safety sheet), and I was *so* excited that I'd be  
 able to do them all in one Frame file instead of having to use  
 CorelDraw.

 Any suggestions?  Settings to change in FM8?  Replacement Unicode  
 fonts to use?

 And of COURSE we're on a deadline...

 -Carla

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FM8 Unicode Font issues and suggestions

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Carla,

you hit a problem that can usually be avoided easily. Adobe confirmed  
there is a problem with Arial Unicode MS in

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/documentLink.do? 
micrositeId=MS_Customer=kb402970

But in the first place: Why did you not continue to use "plain old"  
Arial? It *is* a Unicode font and has all the accented characters  
that you may wish for, even Cyrillic and Greek letters, and they all  
work beautifully with FrameMaker 8.0. Arial Unicode MS is basically a  
Chinese font that happens to have a lot of other glyphs as well. But  
at the same time Arial Unicode MS is missing a lot of desirable  
features (that do not hurt Chinese text):

* there is no bold or italic version of the font (you see just  
"obliqued" or "bolded" versions, which look nonsatisfying in print)

* there are no kerning pairs (most visible in letter combinations  
like "Te")

* it has a problem with FrameMaker (or vice versa, who knows?)

It is a good idea (and entirely possible) to handle all languages  
based on Latin (and related) characters with a single font. But it is  
not a good idea to use a single font for *every* language. Please  
read question #3 in the following FAQ:

http://unicode.org/faq/han_cjk.html

My recommendation for you would be to use Arial or Times New Roman as  
far as possible, and then use one of the preinstalled fonts for the  
CJK area languages. If you check out the Internet Options control  
panel, click the "Fonts" button where you can select fonts for  
language regions: the list shows the fonts installed on your machine  
for each language region.

HTH,

- Michael

Am 28.03.2008 um 16:10 schrieb Martinek, Carla:
> OK... weird things are happening.
>
> I've got some Spanish content where I changed the font family to  
> Arial Unicode (from plain old Arial).  Accented characters suddenly  
> developed massive spacing around them  - for example:
>
>  "s   ?   lo"  instead of
>  "s?lo"
>
> I need to specify a Unicode font set for our FM8 docs going  
> forward... Our current template specifies Arial and Times New  
> Roman.  I'm not married to either of them, but I NEED Unicode fonts  
> to work in the files I have going forward for some of my docs that  
> have multiple languages in them.  There's 28 other languages in  
> this same doc (a safety sheet), and I was *so* excited that I'd be  
> able to do them all in one Frame file instead of having to use  
> CorelDraw.
>
> Any suggestions?  Settings to change in FM8?  Replacement Unicode  
> fonts to use?
>
> And of COURSE we're on a deadline...
>
> -Carla

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Re: FM8 Unicode Font issues and suggestions

[Scott Prentice]

Yikes.

There seem to be a number of spacing-around-accented-characters problems 
cropping up. This is at least the third such version of a similar 
problem that I've heard of recently. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of a 
solution at this point .. other than trying other fonts. Maybe someone 
else can suggest a solution.

...scott


Martinek, Carla wrote:
 OK... weird things are happening.
  
 I've got some Spanish content where I changed the font family to Arial 
 Unicode (from plain old Arial).  Accented characters suddenly developed 
 massive spacing around them  - for example: 
  
  s   ó   lo  instead of 
  sólo
  
 I need to specify a Unicode font set for our FM8 docs going forward... Our 
 current template specifies Arial and Times New Roman.  I'm not married to 
 either of them, but I NEED Unicode fonts to work in the files I have going 
 forward for some of my docs that have multiple languages in them.  There's 28 
 other languages in this same doc (a safety sheet), and I was *so* excited 
 that I'd be able to do them all in one Frame file instead of having to use 
 CorelDraw.
  
 Any suggestions?  Settings to change in FM8?  Replacement Unicode fonts to 
 use?
  
 And of COURSE we're on a deadline...
  
 -Carla
  
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[Martinek, Carla]

OK... weird things are happening.

I've got some Spanish content where I changed the font family to Arial Unicode 
(from plain old Arial).  Accented characters suddenly developed massive spacing 
around them  - for example: 

 "s   ?   lo"  instead of 
 "s?lo"

I need to specify a Unicode font set for our FM8 docs going forward... Our 
current template specifies Arial and Times New Roman.  I'm not married to 
either of them, but I NEED Unicode fonts to work in the files I have going 
forward for some of my docs that have multiple languages in them.  There's 28 
other languages in this same doc (a safety sheet), and I was *so* excited that 
I'd be able to do them all in one Frame file instead of having to use CorelDraw.

Any suggestions?  Settings to change in FM8?  Replacement Unicode fonts to use?

And of COURSE we're on a deadline...

-Carla

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[Scott Prentice]

Yikes.

There seem to be a number of spacing-around-accented-characters problems 
cropping up. This is at least the third such version of a similar 
problem that I've heard of recently. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of a 
solution at this point .. other than trying other fonts. Maybe someone 
else can suggest a solution.

...scott


Martinek, Carla wrote:
> OK... weird things are happening.
>  
> I've got some Spanish content where I changed the font family to Arial 
> Unicode (from plain old Arial).  Accented characters suddenly developed 
> massive spacing around them  - for example: 
>  
>  "s   ?   lo"  instead of 
>  "s?lo"
>  
> I need to specify a Unicode font set for our FM8 docs going forward... Our 
> current template specifies Arial and Times New Roman.  I'm not married to 
> either of them, but I NEED Unicode fonts to work in the files I have going 
> forward for some of my docs that have multiple languages in them.  There's 28 
> other languages in this same doc (a safety sheet), and I was *so* excited 
> that I'd be able to do them all in one Frame file instead of having to use 
> CorelDraw.
>  
> Any suggestions?  Settings to change in FM8?  Replacement Unicode fonts to 
> use?
>  
> And of COURSE we're on a deadline...
>  
> -Carla
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Re: Font Issues on Windows XP in FrameMaker 7.2

[Art Campbell]

It sounds as if printer fonts are being invoked...

Try setting your default printer to the Adobe PDF instance. And you
should be able to print to that same logical printer; separate
printing of a PostScript file and then distilling isn't required.
(It's possible that the PostScript driver of whatever printer you are
using isn't true PS too -- I've had trouble with HP emulators in the
past.. )

Art

On 1/18/07, Brenda Waltermeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

All,

I have a situation on FrameMaker 7.2 with Fonts (windows XP) not displaying
correctly.
The font looks ok on the screen but when I print or PDF the document some of
the titles
look like they have no space after each word. Also on the screen the line is
not wrapping
because it has plenty of room for the words.


I¹ve changed the make.ini ³DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics² to be ON and my
machine now PDF and
Prints the document correctly if it was created on my machine. I also made
the same modification
on my coworkers machine and it did help her when she prints, but not if she
PDF the document.
So I moved her document to my machine and it still deed not work when I PDF
the document.
We are using the ³Save as PDF² feature in FM 7.2. I also tried using the
print to file and then
distilling the document, with no success.

Any thoughts on how to fix this problem would be appreciated.



Brenda L. Waltermeyer
Lead Desktop Publisher
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
National Security Technology Department
Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section
Room 8-375
Phone: (443) 778-8748

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Re: Font Issues on Windows XP in FrameMaker 7.2

[Stuart Rogers]

Art Campbell wrote:

It sounds as if printer fonts are being invoked...

Try setting your default printer to the Adobe PDF instance. And you
should be able to print to that same logical printer; separate
printing of a PostScript file and then distilling isn't required.
(It's possible that the PostScript driver of whatever printer you are
using isn't true PS too -- I've had trouble with HP emulators in the
past.. )

Art

On 1/18/07, Brenda Waltermeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

All,

I have a situation on FrameMaker 7.2 with Fonts (windows XP) not 
displaying

correctly.
The font looks ok on the screen but when I print or PDF the document 
some of

the titles
look like they have no space after each word. Also on the screen the 
line is

not wrapping
because it has plenty of room for the words.


I agree with Art, it's probably because Windows is taking font metrics 
from a physical printer rather than soft fonts on your PCs.


Some printer drivers let you select/deselect a property called Report 
printer fonts to applications or something similar; deselecting it 
forces Windows to use the metrics of fonts as they are installed on your 
PC, ignoring similarly-named fonts on the physical printer.


A better solution is the very useful plug-in available free from 
Sundorne at tinyurl.com/3dof3m


The plug-in will cause Adobe PDF to be the default printer in FM, while 
leaving your regular physical printer as the default in other Windows 
applications. That guarantees true Postscript and correct font sources 
when you create your PDF files.


HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Font Issues on Windows XP in FrameMaker 7.2

[Brenda Waltermeyer]

All,

I have a situation on FrameMaker 7.2 with Fonts (windows XP) not displaying
correctly.
The font looks ok on the screen but when I print or PDF the document some of
the titles 
look like they have no space after each word. Also on the screen the line is
not wrapping 
because it has plenty of room for the words.


I?ve changed the make.ini ?DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics? to be ON and my
machine now PDF and
Prints the document correctly if it was created on my machine. I also made
the same modification
on my coworkers machine and it did help her when she prints, but not if she
PDF the document. 
So I moved her document to my machine and it still deed not work when I PDF
the document. 
We are using the ?Save as PDF? feature in FM 7.2. I also tried using the
print to file and then
distilling the document, with no success.

Any thoughts on how to fix this problem would be appreciated.



Brenda L. Waltermeyer
Lead Desktop Publisher
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
National Security Technology Department
Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section
Room 8-375
Phone: (443) 778-8748

Font Issues on Windows XP in FrameMaker 7.2

[Art Campbell]

It sounds as if printer fonts are being invoked...

Try setting your default printer to the Adobe PDF instance. And you
should be able to print to that same logical printer; separate
printing of a PostScript file and then distilling isn't required.
(It's possible that the PostScript driver of whatever printer you are
using isn't true PS too -- I've had trouble with HP emulators in the
past.. )

Art

On 1/18/07, Brenda Waltermeyer  wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a situation on FrameMaker 7.2 with Fonts (windows XP) not displaying
> correctly.
> The font looks ok on the screen but when I print or PDF the document some of
> the titles
> look like they have no space after each word. Also on the screen the line is
> not wrapping
> because it has plenty of room for the words.
>
>
> I?ve changed the make.ini ?DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics? to be ON and my
> machine now PDF and
> Prints the document correctly if it was created on my machine. I also made
> the same modification
> on my coworkers machine and it did help her when she prints, but not if she
> PDF the document.
> So I moved her document to my machine and it still deed not work when I PDF
> the document.
> We are using the ?Save as PDF? feature in FM 7.2. I also tried using the
> print to file and then
> distilling the document, with no success.
>
> Any thoughts on how to fix this problem would be appreciated.
>
>
> 
> Brenda L. Waltermeyer
> Lead Desktop Publisher
> The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
> National Security Technology Department
> Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section
> Room 8-375
> Phone: (443) 778-8748
>
> ___
>


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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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Font Issues on Windows XP in FrameMaker 7.2

[Stuart Rogers]

Art Campbell wrote:
> It sounds as if printer fonts are being invoked...
> 
> Try setting your default printer to the Adobe PDF instance. And you
> should be able to print to that same logical printer; separate
> printing of a PostScript file and then distilling isn't required.
> (It's possible that the PostScript driver of whatever printer you are
> using isn't true PS too -- I've had trouble with HP emulators in the
> past.. )
> 
> Art
> 
> On 1/18/07, Brenda Waltermeyer  wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I have a situation on FrameMaker 7.2 with Fonts (windows XP) not 
>> displaying
>> correctly.
>> The font looks ok on the screen but when I print or PDF the document 
>> some of
>> the titles
>> look like they have no space after each word. Also on the screen the 
>> line is
>> not wrapping
>> because it has plenty of room for the words.

I agree with Art, it's probably because Windows is taking font metrics 
from a physical printer rather than soft fonts on your PCs.

Some printer drivers let you select/deselect a property called "Report 
printer fonts to applications" or something similar; deselecting it 
forces Windows to use the metrics of fonts as they are installed on your 
PC, ignoring similarly-named fonts on the physical printer.

A better solution is the very useful plug-in available free from 
Sundorne at tinyurl.com/3dof3m

The plug-in will cause Adobe PDF to be the default printer in FM, while 
leaving your regular physical printer as the default in other Windows 
applications. That guarantees true Postscript and correct font sources 
when you create your PDF files.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Technical writers explain How to Work the Product."


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