from Mark Felder:
Yes, however the Sendmail in base on FreeBSD 8 and 9 is compiled against
OpenSSL 1.0 which means it's missing support for TLS 1.2, SNI, and
other modern best practice features.
That suggests putting sendmail to ports rather than base system, so that
updates would not
On 24.02.14 19:49, Mark Felder wrote:
We can strip pieces of FreeBSD off and end up with an kernel. Or we
could keep the system very much usable out of the box.
Imagine a world where everything in FreeBSD is a package and we have a
working PROVIDES framework. Upon installation you can choose
On 25 Feb 2014, at 08:09, Daniel Kalchev dan...@digsys.bg wrote:
What we risk with everything is a port concept is that we live in a world
that there is a lot of software to chose from, but from time to time, the
software happens to be incompatible with FreeBSD in one way, or another.
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:50:10PM +0100, Jilles Tjoelker wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 07:01:54PM +0400, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 03:30:14PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 06:17:37PM +0400, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
On Sun, Feb 23,
from Julio Merino:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:47 AM, Thomas Mueller
mueller6...@bellsouth.netwrote:
To Julio Merino: How long did NetBSD include both sendmail and postfix in
base? What NetBSD releases? What was the first release that included both
sendmail and postfix, and the first
Am 24.02.2014 15:56, schrieb Daniel Kalchev:
On 24.02.14 13:47, Thomas Mueller wrote:
I don't believe BSD users use base system of itself to send and receive
email. They use ports (FreeBSD) or equivalent in other BSDs.
One of the beauties of the BSD 'base system' is that upon installation
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 19:24:02 -0500 (EST)
Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
What would really help is if the ports fetch-recursive-list target
could extend to reliably include the distfiles for the runtime
dependencies as well. But I'm not even sure
Thomas Mueller wrote
There needs to be better documentation of sendmail if it is to be kept, and
the option to compile sendmail for fuller function including
SSL and TLS
Apparently sendmail is compiled with ssl/tls support in FreeBSD, standard. This
is what i get by sending mail from my
On 2/24/2014 6:56 AM, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
One of the many problems with removing functionality is very well
illustrated by what happens now, when you upgrade an pre-10 system
running nameserver: you end up without it and eventually without your
nameserver database as well. Imagine, one day a
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:30:56AM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:50:10PM +0100, Jilles Tjoelker wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 07:01:54PM +0400, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 03:30:14PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24,
On 2/24/2014 6:56 AM, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
On 24.02.14 13:47, Thomas Mueller wrote:
I don't believe BSD users use base system of itself to send and receive email.
They use ports (FreeBSD) or equivalent in other BSDs.
One of the beauties of the BSD 'base system' is that upon installation
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014, at 10:07, Michel Talon wrote:
Thomas Mueller wrote
There needs to be better documentation of sendmail if it is to be kept, and
the option to compile sendmail for fuller function including
SSL and TLS
Apparently sendmail is compiled with ssl/tls support in
On 2014-02-25 16:31, RW wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 19:24:02 -0500 (EST)
Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
What would really help is if the ports fetch-recursive-list target
could extend to reliably include the distfiles for the runtime
dependencies as
Bryan Drewery wrote this message on Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 09:40 -0600:
The RC script also leads to much confusion in this configuration:
# service sendmail stop
Stopping sendmail.
Waiting for PIDS: 80956.
sendmail_submit not running? (check /var/run/sendmail.pid).
Stopping
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 08:32:13AM +, David Chisnall wrote:
On 24 Feb 2014, at 07:34, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote:
Usual complains about sendmail in base until now has been:
- complex configuration
- long history of security concerns
- no need for a full mta in base
Hello, Baptiste.
You wrote 24 февраля 2014 г., 1:11:56:
BD DragonFly Mail Agent is a minimalistic mailer that is able to relay mails to
BD some smtp servers (with TLS, authentication and so on)
One question: why not OpenSMTPD from OpenBSD?
--
// Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov l...@freebsd.org
On 24 Feb 2014, at 08:35, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote:
dma can exactly do that :) while being smaller than opensmtpd (which is very
very nice as well, this is the one I use when I need a full smtp setup :))
Sounds excellent then. We definitely should be moving to a world where
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:38:14PM +0400, Lev Serebryakov wrote:
Hello, Baptiste.
You wrote 24 февраля 2014 г., 1:11:56:
BD DragonFly Mail Agent is a minimalistic mailer that is able to relay mails
to
BD some smtp servers (with TLS, authentication and so on)
One question: why not
On 24/02/2014 04:26, Julio Merino wrote:
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote:
Hi,
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
(DragonFly Mail Agent) in base. I have been asked to explain my motivation
so
here they are.
In message 530b13ca.6000...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
On 24/02/2014 04:26, Julio Merino wrote:
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote:
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
(DragonFly Mail Agent) in base. I have been
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 09:56:05AM +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 530b13ca.6000...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
On 24/02/2014 04:26, Julio Merino wrote:
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin
b...@freebsd.orgwrote:
As some of you may have noticed, I have
On 24/02/2014 10:00, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 09:56:05AM +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 530b13ca.6000...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
On 24/02/2014 04:26, Julio Merino wrote:
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote:
In message 530b2500.5030...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
Can I also suggest that ntp.org shouldn't be in the base either? :P
I absolutely agree, but the replacement is less clear in that case.
--
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since
On 24/02/2014 10:56, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 530b2500.5030...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
Can I also suggest that ntp.org shouldn't be in the base either? :P
I absolutely agree, but the replacement is less clear in that case.
I'd suggest openntpd as a candidate as it would
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:04:48AM +, Joe Holden wrote:
On 24/02/2014 10:56, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 530b2500.5030...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
Can I also suggest that ntp.org shouldn't be in the base either? :P
I absolutely agree, but the replacement is less clear
On 24/02/2014 11:08, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:04:48AM +, Joe Holden wrote:
On 24/02/2014 10:56, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 530b2500.5030...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
Can I also suggest that ntp.org shouldn't be in the base either? :P
I
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:13:23AM +, Joe Holden wrote:
On 24/02/2014 11:08, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:04:48AM +, Joe Holden wrote:
On 24/02/2014 10:56, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 530b2500.5030...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
Can I also
In message 530b2953.3030...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
openntpd not able to authenticate the sources it is using and thus lack a big
ntp feature as a client.
Last I looked its clock-discipline algorithm were non-existent, it just
slammed the clock around.
hm, I can't say I have noticed
According to Joe Holden on Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:13:23AM +:
hm, I can't say I have noticed this as being a problem where I've
used it, are there any scenarios where this is a showstopper?
Non-support for auth is a concern, lack of NTPv4 protocol support is another.
Base ntpd also
On 24/02/2014 11:18, Ollivier Robert wrote:
According to Joe Holden on Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:13:23AM +:
hm, I can't say I have noticed this as being a problem where I've
used it, are there any scenarios where this is a showstopper?
Non-support for auth is a concern, lack of NTPv4
On 24/02/2014 11:26, Joe Holden wrote:
On 24/02/2014 11:18, Ollivier Robert wrote:
According to Joe Holden on Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:13:23AM +:
hm, I can't say I have noticed this as being a problem where I've
used it, are there any scenarios where this is a showstopper?
Non-support for
I never got far enough with DragonFlyBSD or OpenBSD on live USB to see osmpd or
opensmtpd (OpenBSD or dma (DragonFly).
I couldn't read hard drive from either OpenBSD or DragonFly, could read OpenBSD
but not DragonFly live USB stick from FreeBSD and NetBSD, meaning poor
interoperability on my
In message 530b2dee.3030...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
The other point I should make here is that if you care that much about
time security you shouldn't be contacting ntp servers over 3rd party
networks anyway, at least not without some IP-level
encryption/authentication, or use a source
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 10:11:56PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
(DragonFly Mail Agent) in base. I have been asked to explain my motivation so
here they are.
What's about suid, security separations etc?
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 06:17:37PM +0400, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 10:11:56PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
(DragonFly Mail Agent) in base. I have been asked to explain my motivation
so
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014, at 3:41, Joe Holden wrote:
On 24/02/2014 04:26, Julio Merino wrote:
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote:
Hi,
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
(DragonFly Mail Agent) in base. I have been
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 03:30:14PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 06:17:37PM +0400, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 10:11:56PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
On 24.02.14 13:47, Thomas Mueller wrote:
I don't believe BSD users use base system of itself to send and receive email.
They use ports (FreeBSD) or equivalent in other BSDs.
One of the beauties of the BSD 'base system' is that upon installation
you have an usable workstation/server
On 24/02/2014 13:52, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 530b2dee.3030...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
The other point I should make here is that if you care that much about
time security you shouldn't be contacting ntp servers over 3rd party
networks anyway, at least not without some
In message 530b666a.1000...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
Please check how NTP is authenticated before giving bad advice,
it's all in the RFC.
v3 or v4? It is an optional part of the spec in both cases and again
isn't required for 99% of people using ntpd as a client, which was the
entire
On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Bryan Drewery bdrew...@freebsd.org wrote:
Anything not meeting the bare-bones criteria can be installed with 'pkg
install' or ports.
Try this in a shop where all your machines are completely air-gapped from the
internet.
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On 2/23/2014 3:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Hi,
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
(DragonFly Mail Agent) in base. I have been asked to explain my motivation so
here they are.
DragonFly Mail Agent is a minimalistic mailer that is able to relay
In message d39456d8-88d1-4617-825c-44b30890f...@orthanc.ca, Lyndon Nerenberg
writes:
Try this in a shop where all your machines are completely air-gapped
from the internet.
Bullshit.
You got FreeBSD in there in the first place, there clearly
is some kind of aperture through which software can
On 24/02/2014 15:40, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 530b666a.1000...@rewt.org.uk, Joe Holden writes:
Please check how NTP is authenticated before giving bad advice,
it's all in the RFC.
v3 or v4? It is an optional part of the spec in both cases and again
isn't required for 99% of people
* Bryan Drewery bdrew...@freebsd.org [2014-02-24 09:40]:
Remembering the time I spent trying to configure sendmail to not accept
inbound mail, and trying to get it to behave how I want, I fully support
this. Of all the years I've messed with sendmail, I still have little
understanding of how
On Feb 24, 2014 7:50 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Bryan Drewery bdrew...@freebsd.org wrote:
Anything not meeting the bare-bones criteria can be installed with 'pkg
install' or ports.
Try this in a shop where all your machines are completely
On 2/24/2014 9:56 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message d39456d8-88d1-4617-825c-44b30890f...@orthanc.ca, Lyndon
Nerenberg
writes:
Try this in a shop where all your machines are completely air-gapped
from the internet.
Bullshit.
You got FreeBSD in there in the first place, there
On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
Bullshit.
Sounds like your week didn't get off to a good start.
You got FreeBSD in there in the first place, there clearly
is some kind of aperture through which software can migrate.
Yes, we walk in a DVD-ROM with a
On 2/24/2014 10:16 AM, Lucius Rizzo wrote:
* Bryan Drewery bdrew...@freebsd.org [2014-02-24 09:40]:
Remembering the time I spent trying to configure sendmail to not accept
inbound mail, and trying to get it to behave how I want, I fully support
this. Of all the years I've messed with
On 24 Feb 2014, at 16:39, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
If the above doesn't work, you have to fall back to ports. And this is where
things get really hairy. Just generating the list of required distfiles is
problematic. 'make fetch-recursive-list' will give you a script to run
In message acbddbe2-34c5-4f8d-8803-d42686c52...@orthanc.ca, Lyndon Nerenberg
writes:
On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk =
wrote:
Bullshit.
Sounds like your week didn't get off to a good start.
No, I'm simply calling your argument bullshit, because it is.
You
On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:50 AM, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote:
Or, purely hypothetically, if your goal was to make it work, you could just
use Poudriere which will take a list of packages that you need and build a
package set for you, which you can stick on a DVD / USB stick /
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014, at 8:56, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
On 24.02.14 13:47, Thomas Mueller wrote:
I don't believe BSD users use base system of itself to send and receive
email. They use ports (FreeBSD) or equivalent in other BSDs.
One of the beauties of the BSD 'base system' is that upon
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014, at 9:50, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Bryan Drewery bdrew...@freebsd.org wrote:
Anything not meeting the bare-bones criteria can be installed with 'pkg
install' or ports.
Try this in a shop where all your machines are completely
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Mark Felder f...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014, at 9:50, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Bryan Drewery bdrew...@freebsd.org wrote:
Anything not meeting the bare-bones criteria can be installed with 'pkg
install' or
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Joe Nosay superbisq...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Mark Felder f...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014, at 9:50, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Bryan Drewery bdrew...@freebsd.org
wrote:
Anything
On 2/23/2014 3:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Hi,
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
(DragonFly Mail Agent) in base. I have been asked to explain my motivation so
here they are.
Does this support a /usr/sbin/sendmail wrapper for sending mail through
On 02/24/14 17:16, Lucius Rizzo wrote:
* Bryan Drewery bdrew...@freebsd.org [2014-02-24 09:40]:
Remembering the time I spent trying to configure sendmail to not accept
inbound mail, and trying to get it to behave how I want, I fully support
this. Of all the years I've messed with sendmail,
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014, at 12:46, Bryan Drewery wrote:
On 2/23/2014 3:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Hi,
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
(DragonFly Mail Agent) in base. I have been asked to explain my motivation
so
here they are.
Does
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 07:01:54PM +0400, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 03:30:14PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 06:17:37PM +0400, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 10:11:56PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
As some of you
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
What would really help is if the ports fetch-recursive-list target could
extend to reliably include the distfiles for the runtime dependencies as
well. But I'm not even sure that's possible. We tried a few different
things, but in the end we
On 2/24/14, 10:45 PM, Mark Felder wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014, at 3:41, Joe Holden wrote:
On 24/02/2014 04:26, Julio Merino wrote:
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote:
Hi,
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
On 2/24/14, 7:47 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
I never got far enough with DragonFlyBSD or OpenBSD on live USB to see osmpd or
opensmtpd (OpenBSD or dma (DragonFly).
I couldn't read hard drive from either OpenBSD or DragonFly, could read OpenBSD
but not DragonFly live USB stick from FreeBSD and
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:47 AM, Thomas Mueller
mueller6...@bellsouth.netwrote:
To Julio Merino: How long did NetBSD include both sendmail and postfix in
base? What NetBSD releases? What was the first release that included both
sendmail and postfix, and the first release where sendmail was
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 09:40:26AM -0600, Bryan Drewery wrote:
IMHO base should be the very minimalistic needs to get a server online,
and should be secure and simple by default. ...
Anything not meeting the bare-bones criteria can be installed with 'pkg
install' or ports.
+1 (OTOH I am not
On 2014-Feb-24 10:44:30 -0600, Bryan Drewery bdrew...@freebsd.org wrote:
troll
I have the Oreilly sendmail book here and it's thicker than The Design
and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System. That's quite an
application!
More impressively, ISTR it's thicker than The Magic Garden
On 25 Feb, Peter Jeremy wrote:
On 2014-Feb-24 10:44:30 -0600, Bryan Drewery bdrew...@freebsd.org wrote:
troll
I have the Oreilly sendmail book here and it's thicker than The Design
and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System. That's quite an
application!
More impressively, ISTR it's
Hi,
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
(DragonFly Mail Agent) in base. I have been asked to explain my motivation so
here they are.
DragonFly Mail Agent is a minimalistic mailer that is able to relay mails to
some smtp servers (with TLS, authentication and
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote:
Hi,
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
(DragonFly Mail Agent) in base. I have been asked to explain my motivation
so
here they are.
DragonFly Mail Agent is a minimalistic
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:26:20PM -0500, Julio Merino wrote:
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote:
Hi,
As some of you may have noticed, I have imorted a couple of days ago dma
(DragonFly Mail Agent) in base. I have been asked to explain my
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