Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-23 Thread Jean-Sébastien Pédron
On 17.09.2015 21:22, O. Hartmann wrote: >> Why does it take so much time to update? Once Konstantin committed his >> i915 update, I was busy with non-FreeBSD activities until last July, >> when I slowly started back to work on i915. My goal is to reduce the >> diff with Linux as much as possible.

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-23 Thread Jean-Sébastien Pédron
On 18.09.2015 08:30, Shane Ambler wrote: > A little off-topic but has anyone tried to get nvidia to return libcuda > to our drivers? While it was there a few years ago it was removed yet > again. From what I could tell we had to use the linux sdk to compile > cuda kernels which probably hindered

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-20 Thread Stefan Wendler
On Saturday 19 September 2015 00:05:48 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:50:16PM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Just run -HEAD. Outside of occasional hiccups, a whole bunch of us use > > it for day to day work, and it works fine. > > Some years ago -HEAD break

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-19 Thread Michael Gmelin
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:12:04 +0200 Stefan Wendler wrote: > On Friday 18 September 2015 15:57:10 Michael Gmelin wrote: > > > On 18 Sep 2015, at 15:33, Stefan Wendler > > > > wrote: > > >> On Thursday 17 September 2015 20:57:20 Matthias

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-19 Thread Allan Jude
On 2015-09-17 20:58, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > No yet but I would like to have a meeting if possible. Are there any > foundation folks in the bay area? > Starting from next month I will be based in our Los Altos office for the > time being. > > > -- > Johannes Lundberg > BRILLIANTSERVICE CO.,

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-19 Thread Allan Jude
On 2015-09-18 15:50, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Hi, > > Just run -HEAD. Outside of occasional hiccups, a whole bunch of us use > it for day to day work, and it works fine. > > New hardware support moves fast and furious; even when 11-STABLE rocks > around we're going to be moving forward quickly on

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-18 Thread Shane Ambler
On 18/09/2015 02:51, Shawn Webb wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 07:00:15PM +0200, Jean-S??bastien P??dron wrote: Hi everyone! I'm very sorry I didn't communicate at all on the i915 update project. So here is a status update: since this morning, the driver builds fine. I'm currently attending

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-18 Thread O. Hartmann
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:00:41 +0930 Shane Ambler wrote: > On 18/09/2015 02:51, Shawn Webb wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 07:00:15PM +0200, Jean-S??bastien P??dron wrote: > >> Hi everyone! > >> > >> I'm very sorry I didn't communicate at all on the i915 update project. >

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-18 Thread Oliver Pinter
On 9/17/15, Michael Gmelin wrote: > > >> On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:23, Russell L. Carter wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 09/17/15 10:40, Matthias Apitz wrote: >>> El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 11:02:07AM -0400, Kris Moore >>> escribió: >>> On

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-18 Thread Adrian Chadd
Hi, Just run -HEAD. Outside of occasional hiccups, a whole bunch of us use it for day to day work, and it works fine. New hardware support moves fast and furious; even when 11-STABLE rocks around we're going to be moving forward quickly on 12-CURRENT and you'll be stuck in the same place. :)

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-18 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:50:16PM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Hi, > > Just run -HEAD. Outside of occasional hiccups, a whole bunch of us use > it for day to day work, and it works fine. Some years ago -HEAD break may be one at month, now -HEAD break some times at week, and, may be,

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-18 Thread Stefan Wendler
On Thursday 17 September 2015 23:42:01 Nikola Pajkovsky wrote: > Do not run those commands in X, otherwise it hangs. > > $ vidcontrol -i mode | grep 1920 > 383 (0x17f) 0x000f G 1920x1080x32 D 8x16 0xa 64k 64k 0xe000 > 8100k > > $ memcontrol list | grep 0xe000 >

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-18 Thread Stefan Wendler
On Friday 18 September 2015 15:57:10 Michael Gmelin wrote: > > On 18 Sep 2015, at 15:33, Stefan Wendler wrote: > >> On Thursday 17 September 2015 20:57:20 Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> You must run a ver y recent -HEAD; Wifi is fine > > > > I cannot run HEAD because I

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-18 Thread Stefan Wendler
On Thursday 17 September 2015 20:57:20 Matthias Apitz wrote: > You must run a ver y recent -HEAD; Wifi is fine I cannot run HEAD because I need a stable system for work. Will there be a package for FreeBSD 10? I really want to get rid of my crappy b/g usb stick. Cheers, Stefan

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-18 Thread Michael Gmelin
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 15:33, Stefan Wendler wrote: > >> On Thursday 17 September 2015 20:57:20 Matthias Apitz wrote: >> You must run a ver y recent -HEAD; Wifi is fine > > I cannot run HEAD because I need a stable system for work. Will there be a > package for

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-18 Thread Michael Gmelin
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 07:34, Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 11:42:01PM +0200, Nikola Pajkovsky >> escribió: >> >> Do not run those commands in X, otherwise it hangs. >> >> $ vidcontrol -i mode | grep 1920 >> 383 (0x17f) 0x000f G

Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Anders Bolt-Evensen
Hello! I'm just curious about how Intel Haswell GPU support in FreeBSD is coming along? What's the ETA of when the driver can be tested? Anders ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
I am wondering the same.. I am sure the very few developers we have are working as much as they can on this. However, the lack of support for the most common hardware since three years back is, I believe, preventing many new users, beginners as well as professionals, from coming to FreeBSD, and I

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Andreas Nilsson
I guess interested parties could keep an eye on https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-base-graphics/tree/drm-i915-update-38 and https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics Best regards Andreas On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Lundberg, Johannes < johan...@brilliantservice.co.jp> wrote: > I am wondering the

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
Looking at those pages it seems like development has basically been standing still for the last couple of years. DragonFlyBSD claims to have support for Haswell, maybe it can work as a stand-in while waiting for FreeBSD if you need the GPU for development or something.. On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread David Chisnall
On 17 Sep 2015, at 10:55, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > Looking at those pages it seems like development has basically been > standing still for the last couple of years. I’m not sure why you’d have that impression. The Haswell entry on that page links here:

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread O. Hartmann
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:55:10 +0900 "Lundberg, Johannes" wrote: > Looking at those pages it seems like development has basically been > standing still for the last couple of years. > > DragonFlyBSD claims to have support for Haswell, maybe it can work as a >

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:15 PM, O. Hartmann wrote: > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:55:10 +0900 > "Lundberg, Johannes" wrote: > >> Looking at those pages it seems like development has basically been >> standing still for the last couple of

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread David Chisnall
On 17 Sep 2015, at 11:31, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > Anyway, I wish the foundation would support the graphics team by sponsoring > this development… The Foundation did fund a lot of this work, and likely will again. The problem is not willingness of the

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
Well, I've been following the FreeBSD graphics page for 2-3 years now and from what I can tell it's been updated basically once per year and with very little/slow progress. Don't get me wrong, I am not criticizing the developers. They are doing a great job, much more than I ever could. However,

Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Juan Ramón Molina Menor
Hello! I'm just curious about how Intel Haswell GPU support in FreeBSD is coming along? What's the ETA of when the driver can be tested? Anders Jean Sébastien-Pédron is actively working on it: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-base-graphics/commits/drm-i915-update-38

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:43:59PM +0100, David Chisnall wrote: > On 17 Sep 2015, at 11:31, Lundberg, Johannes > wrote: > > > > Anyway, I wish the foundation would support the graphics team by sponsoring > > this development... > > The Foundation did fund a

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Rui Paulo
On Thu, 2015-09-17 at 11:24 -0400, Kris Moore wrote: > On 09/17/2015 11:19, O. Hartmann wrote: > > Am Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:02:07 -0400 > > Kris Moore schrieb: > > > > > On 09/17/2015 09:48, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 10:41:43PM +0900, >

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
Same here. I would personally definitely buy new hardware from Intel if FreeBSD worked on it (not vesa...) However, the problem now is not the driver right? But the whole graphics stack which has to be rewritten to work with new generation graphics like KMS, Wayland, etc? On Thursday, September

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Kris Moore
On 09/17/2015 11:19, O. Hartmann wrote: > Am Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:02:07 -0400 > Kris Moore schrieb: > >> On 09/17/2015 09:48, Matthias Apitz wrote: >>> El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 10:41:43PM +0900, Lundberg, >>> Johannes >>> escribió: >>> Same here. I would

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:24:40 -0400 Kris Moore schrieb: > On 09/17/2015 11:19, O. Hartmann wrote: > > Am Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:02:07 -0400 > > Kris Moore schrieb: > > > >> On 09/17/2015 09:48, Matthias Apitz wrote: > >>> El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:02:07 -0400 Kris Moore schrieb: > On 09/17/2015 09:48, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 10:41:43PM +0900, Lundberg, > > Johannes > > escribió: > > > >> Same here. I would personally definitely buy new hardware from Intel

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Shawn Webb
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 05:12:15PM +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > Am Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:48:09 +0200 > Matthias Apitz schrieb: > > > El d??a Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 10:41:43PM +0900, Lundberg, > > Johannes escribi??: > > > > > Same here. I would personally definitely

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Adrian Chadd
Nope, very wrong. The real answer is this: * FreeBSD cares about backwards compatibility support and supporting older releases. So the xorg team in freebsd has to do a few things: * update the drm2 code in freebsd which required updating the linux layer - dfbsd, openbsd skipped ahead by just

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Nikola Pajkovsky
Kris Moore writes: > On 09/17/2015 11:19, O. Hartmann wrote: >> Am Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:02:07 -0400 >> Kris Moore schrieb: >> >>> On 09/17/2015 09:48, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 10:41:43PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Rui Paulo
On Thu, 2015-09-17 at 14:47 +0100, David Chisnall wrote: > On 17 Sep 2015, at 14:41, Lundberg, Johannes < > johan...@brilliantservice.co.jp> wrote: > > > > However, the problem now is not the driver right? But the whole > > graphics > > stack which has to be rewritten to work with new generation

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread David Chisnall
On 17 Sep 2015, at 14:41, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > However, the problem now is not the driver right? But the whole graphics > stack which has to be rewritten to work with new generation graphics like > KMS, Wayland, etc? There are lots of different

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Kris Moore
On 09/17/2015 09:48, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 10:41:43PM +0900, Lundberg, > Johannes escribió: > >> Same here. I would personally definitely buy new hardware from Intel if >> FreeBSD worked on it (not vesa...) >> ... > What dow you have against vesa? I run

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 10:41:43PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes escribió: > Same here. I would personally definitely buy new hardware from Intel if > FreeBSD worked on it (not vesa...) > ... What dow you have against vesa? I run CURRENT on some Acer C720 Chromebooks with Haswell

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:48:09 +0200 Matthias Apitz schrieb: > El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 10:41:43PM +0900, Lundberg, > Johannes escribió: > > > Same here. I would personally definitely buy new hardware from Intel if > > FreeBSD worked on it (not vesa...) > > ...

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Adam McDougall
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:43:59PM +0100, David Chisnall wrote: On 17 Sep 2015, at 11:31, Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > > Anyway, I wish the foundation would support the graphics team by sponsoring this development… The Foundation did fund a lot of

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Stefan Wendler
On Thursday 17 September 2015 17:43:02 Nikola Pajkovsky wrote: > Use memcontrol to set mtrr write-combine for your Vesa. Vesa is lightning > fast on T440p on 1920x1200. I use a T540 and didn't get this to work yet. Can you give me the commands you've used? I guess we have the same chips anyway.

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Adrian Chadd
run -HEAD on it. The wifi works great (it's atheros.) All that's missing is haswell graphics. -a On 17 September 2015 at 11:23, Russell L. Carter wrote: > > > On 09/17/15 10:40, Matthias Apitz wrote: >> >> El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 11:02:07AM -0400, Kris

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Michael Gmelin
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:23, Russell L. Carter wrote: > > > >> On 09/17/15 10:40, Matthias Apitz wrote: >> El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 11:02:07AM -0400, Kris Moore >> escribió: >> >>> On 09/17/2015 09:48, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday,

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 11:02:07AM -0400, Kris Moore escribió: > On 09/17/2015 09:48, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 10:41:43PM +0900, Lundberg, > > Johannes escribió: > > > >> Same here. I would personally definitely buy new hardware from

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Russell L. Carter
On 09/17/15 10:40, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 11:02:07AM -0400, Kris Moore escribió: On 09/17/2015 09:48, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 10:41:43PM +0900, Lundberg, Johannes escribió: Same here. I would personally

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Russell L. Carter
On 09/17/15 11:42, Adrian Chadd wrote: run -HEAD on it. The wifi works great (it's atheros.) Excellent to hear. When I get back from traveling I'll bring up -HEAD. Thanks, Russell All that's missing is haswell graphics. -a On 17 September 2015 at 11:23, Russell L. Carter

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Jean-Sébastien Pédron
Hi everyone! I'm very sorry I didn't communicate at all on the i915 update project. So here is a status update: since this morning, the driver builds fine. I'm currently attending the XDC (X.Org Developers Conference) and don't have an Intel laptop to test with me. However, Johannes Dieterich

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Johannes Dieterich
Hi, just chipping into the conversation for a detail Re: OpenCL On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Shawn Webb wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 07:00:15PM +0200, Jean-S??bastien P??dron wrote: >> Now about other related tasks: >> o A Mesa update will be committed

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Dennis Glatting
On Thu, 2015-09-17 at 13:38 -0400, Johannes Dieterich wrote: > Hi, > > just chipping into the conversation for a detail Re: OpenCL > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Shawn Webb < > shawn.w...@hardenedbsd.org> wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 07:00:15PM +0200, Jean-S??bastien P??dron > >

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Nikola Pajkovsky
Jean-Sébastien Pédron writes: > Hi everyone! > > This layer exists for the OFED/Infiniband drivers: we are almost ready > to move it to a central place, so we can use it in the near future in > the DRM subsystem. Is it part of your huge patch or where can I found commits

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 11:23:06AM -0700, Russell L. Carter escribió: > Do you have 802.11n and hibernate working on that c720? I put linux on > mine for that reason. Although despite immense efforts I can't get > the trackpad to be detected. I tried bringing up 10.2 on it

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Shawn Webb
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 08:54:37PM +0200, Michael Gmelin wrote: > > > > On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:23, Russell L. Carter wrote: > > > > > > > >> On 09/17/15 10:40, Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> El da Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 11:02:07AM -0400, Kris Moore > >>

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread O. Hartmann
Am Thu, 17 Sep 2015 19:00:15 +0200 Jean-Sébastien Pédron schrieb: > Hi everyone! > > I'm very sorry I didn't communicate at all on the i915 update project. > > So here is a status update: since this morning, the driver builds fine. > I'm currently attending the XDC (X.Org

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Jean-Sébastien Pédron
On 17.09.2015 20:44, Nikola Pajkovsky wrote: > Is it part of your huge patch or where can I found commits related to > linux compat layer? The Linux compat layer and the i915 update are separate projects. The layer is here: https://github.com/dumbbell/freebsd/tree/linux-api-shim --

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Jean-Sébastien Pédron
On 17.09.2015 19:21, Shawn Webb wrote: > I know there's a difference between "builds fine" and "runs fine". With > it building fine, is the driver at the point where we can start > rudimentary testing? I can't help out in the development efforts, but > I'd love to help test and give bug reports.

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Nikola Pajkovsky
"O. Hartmann" writes: > Am Thu, 17 Sep 2015 19:00:15 +0200 > Jean-Sébastien Pédron schrieb: > >> Hi everyone! >> >> I'm very sorry I didn't communicate at all on the i915 update project. >> >> So here is a status update: since this morning,

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 08:57:20PM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió: > > These things are just awesome. 4G memory > > + i3 + 6hr battery for $240 delivered. > > exactly; since I own the C720, I do not think anymore in where is the next > power > outlet :-) $ uptime 9:37PM

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Nikola Pajkovsky
Stefan Wendler writes: > On Thursday 17 September 2015 17:43:02 Nikola Pajkovsky wrote: > >> Use memcontrol to set mtrr write-combine for your Vesa. Vesa is lightning >> fast on T440p on 1920x1200. > > I use a T540 and didn't get this to work yet. Can you give me the

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Shawn Webb
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 07:00:15PM +0200, Jean-S??bastien P??dron wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I'm very sorry I didn't communicate at all on the i915 update project. > > So here is a status update: since this morning, the driver builds fine. > I'm currently attending the XDC (X.Org Developers

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Adrian Chadd
Have you had a one-on-one with anyone at the foundation and expressed your desires/concerns? You're a vendor after all... -a ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
No yet but I would like to have a meeting if possible. Are there any foundation folks in the bay area? Starting from next month I will be based in our Los Altos office for the time being. -- Johannes Lundberg BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Adrian Chadd

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Lundberg, Johannes
Same here. Vesa won't work, I tried scfb and while it works to get graphics on the screen it is not an option when my development requires hardware acceleration so current I am running Arch Linux. Since our target platform is Intel Atom BayTrail/CherryTrail there's no other way.. -- Johannes

Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates?

2015-09-17 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, September 17, 2015 a las 11:42:01PM +0200, Nikola Pajkovsky escribió: > Do not run those commands in X, otherwise it hangs. > > $ vidcontrol -i mode | grep 1920 > 383 (0x17f) 0x000f G 1920x1080x32 D 8x16 0xa 64k 64k 0xe000 > 8100k On my C720 the above cmd does