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Here is my latest try on it (where I dropped the 'a' at the end of
'acd0a'):
# mount -t cd9660  /dev/acd0  /cdrom 
cd9660: /dev/acd0: No such file or directory
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FreeBSD & HP Laptop?

[Marwan Sultan]

Hello everyone,

 I recently bought HP laptop dv5178us Media Center
 It has builtin BlueTooth, wireless network device, lightscribe, and the 
VGA is

 nVIDIA GeForce GO 7400 512mb, s-video, some others 2,
 I'm not sure from motherboard specs,
 I want to format the XP media center edition and install FreeBSD 6.1R with 
kde3


I wonder if someone can advice me and tell, if this specifications is 
compatiable with freebsd

or not, or if i will have any problems with any devices drivers?

I have a button on my keyboard that if pressed will turn the bluetooth and 
wireless network on

and off, is this will work to with fbsd 6.1?

I'm sorry If i will take from someone time to check my specs.

Here is a link may help.
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericDocumentcc=us&docname=c00619266&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN

its the specs for the laptop.

Thank you so much in advance.

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Re: sound not work on Intel D945GNTL

[Alexander Leidinger]

Quoting Valeriy Klimentiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (from Fri, 14 Jul 2006  
16:38:34 +1100):



device   = '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio'


It's not supported currently. You can find alpha quality drivers in  
the archive of the multimedia mailinglist, search for recent messages  
about HDA.


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Re: 6.1-RELEASE-i386 man broken?

[Matthew Seaman]

J wrote:
> On 2006-07-13 (Thu) 13:25:04 [+], David Christensen wrote:
>> Matthew Seaman wrote:
>>> Please read what I wrote more carefully.  To summarize: don't set
>>> $MANPATH in your environment, and the man(1) command will work
>>> correctly.
>> Now I understand:
>>
>>> The environment variable MANPATH should in general not be set, as
>>> that will override the effects of /etc/manpath.config.
> 
> I ran into and had to solve this problem myself when first coming to
> FreeBSD, recently, as my transported Linux bash configs contained
> MANPATH=$MANPATH:/custom/manpath. What I never figured out was the
> rationale for this. Anyone mind me asking what's wrong with MANPATH or
> why manpath.config is exclusively favored? For instance, while I have a
> /usr/lib/man.conf on my Linux system and can set the default manpath
> there, man happily coexists with any MANPATH. How does one add a custom
> manpath without root privileges? Etc. Just curious; thanks.

The manpath(1) program is designed to provide standard system-wide
operation of the man(1) command.  It covers all of the places the
ports system will put manpages and all of the system manpages.  That
is generally sufficient for most sites.

If you have a customised directory layout and start putting man pages in
unusual places, then you've got two choices.  If these oddly located man
pages are for general consumption, then add the appropriate info to
/etc/manpath.config -- by editing that one file you will make those
manpages visible immediately to all users on the system.

Otherwise if you have your own private stache of manpages you should
set MANPATH in your shell initialization scripts.  However, you should
not assume that MANPATH is already set so that you can just append to
it. To get the best of both worlds, set your local $MANPATH based on the
output of manpath(1).  For Bourne-type shells, something like:

MANPATH="${MANPATH:-$(manpath)}:/foo/bar/man:/baz/quux/man"
export MANPATH

Or to ignore any previous setting of MANPATH in the environment:

MANPATH="$( unset MANPATH ; manpath ):/foo/bar/man:/baz/quux/man"
export MANPATH

csh equivalents are left as an exercise for the student.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: 6.1-RELEASE-i386 man broken?

[Matthew Seaman]

J wrote:
> On 2006-07-13 (Thu) 13:25:04 [+], David Christensen wrote:
>> Matthew Seaman wrote:
>>> Please read what I wrote more carefully.  To summarize: don't set
>>> $MANPATH in your environment, and the man(1) command will work
>>> correctly.
>> Now I understand:
>>
>>> The environment variable MANPATH should in general not be set, as
>>> that will override the effects of /etc/manpath.config.
> 
> I ran into and had to solve this problem myself when first coming to
> FreeBSD, recently, as my transported Linux bash configs contained
> MANPATH=$MANPATH:/custom/manpath. What I never figured out was the
> rationale for this. Anyone mind me asking what's wrong with MANPATH or
> why manpath.config is exclusively favored? For instance, while I have a
> /usr/lib/man.conf on my Linux system and can set the default manpath
> there, man happily coexists with any MANPATH. How does one add a custom
> manpath without root privileges? Etc. Just curious; thanks.

The manpath(1) program is designed to provide standard system-wide
operation of the man(1) command.  It covers all of the places the
ports system will put manpages and all of the system manpages.  That
is generally sufficient for most sites.

If you have a customised directory layout and start putting man pages in
unusual places, then you've got two choices.  If these oddly located man
pages are for general consumption, then add the appropriate info to
/etc/manpath.config -- by editing that one file you will make those
manpages visible immediately to all users on the system.

Otherwise if you have your own private stache of manpages you should
set MANPATH in your shell initialization scripts.  However, you should
not assume that MANPATH is already set so that you can just append to
it. To get the best of both worlds, set your local $MANPATH based on the
output of manpath(1).  For Bourne-type shells, something like:

MANPATH="${MANPATH:-$(manpath)}:/foo/bar/man:/baz/quux/man"
export MANPATH

Or to ignore any previous setting of MANPATH in the environment:

MANPATH=$( unset MANPATH ; manpath )
export MANPATH

csh equivalents are left as an exercise for the student.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: sound not work on Intel D945GNTL

[Andrey V. Elsukov]

Valeriy Klimentiev wrote:

vendor   = 'Intel Corporation'
device   = '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio'
class= multimedia

FreeBSD will maintain this hardware? What me to do now?


You should look a freebsd-multimedia@ archives.

http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?44ADF5D1.7010100
http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-apr-2006-jun-2006.html#Sound-subsystem-improvements

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sound not work on Intel D945GNTL

[Valeriy Klimentiev]

Hi.

I've Intel D945GNTL S775  mb. Driver snd_ich not work.
I try Ariff's patch, but no effect.

kernel:
device sound
device snd_ich

uname -a:
FreeBSD papa.home 7.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT #4: Tue Jul 11 18:23:38 
VLAST 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/Neko  i386

dmesg:  pci0:  at device 27.0 (no driver attached)

pciconf -vl:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:27:0:class=0x040300 card=0x02028086 chip=0x27d88086 
rev=0x01 hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Intel Corporation'
device   = '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio'
class= multimedia

FreeBSD will maintain this hardware? What me to do now?

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Re: IMAP server alternatives

[Philip Hallstrom]

I tried to install cyrus-imapd, courier-imapd and dovecot, in this order. 
:-)
Dovecot has my preference. I could install it in a few minutes, and it was 
very easy to configure. At least it is easier than courier, for me. :-)


One thing to note here, and I've never looked into dovecot, so maybe its 
similar, but cyrus-imapd is a black-box mail spool ... mailbox != password 
entry, and the mail spool is *only* accessible through imap/pop3, no "local 
mail" ... it was designed to handle systems where needing >65536 mailboxes 
was a requirement, as well as security ...


Dovecot has similar functionality

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Re: top and multiple CPU's

[Rob Hurle]

> Bob Johnson wrote:
> > I don't have a 6.1 SMP system
> > to test it on.
> >
>
> On a brand nwe 6,1 SMP system the first 2 lines of top -S
>
> PID USERNAME  THR PRI NICE  SIZERES STATE  C  TIME   WCPUCOMMAND
> 11 root1 171   52 0K 8K RUN1  36.8H 90.38% idle:cpu1
> 12 root1 171   52 0K 8K RUN0  36.1H 90.33% idle:cpu0

I also have a brand new 6.1 SMP system, but the first 2 lines of top
-S show something very different:

   11 root1 171   52 0K 8K CPU1   0   0:00 99.17% idle: cpu1
   12 root1 171   52 0K 8K RUN0 288:46 98.14% idle: cpu0

Any ideas why cpu1 appears to be not doing anything?  dmesg says:

.
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz (3206.31-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0xf43  Stepping = 3
  
Features=0xbfebfbff
  Features2=0x649d>
  AMD Features=0x2010
  Logical CPUs per core: 2
real memory  = 1072087040 (1022 MB)
avail memory = 1039990784 (991 MB)
FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs
 cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1


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Re: IMAP server alternatives

[User Freebsd]

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Nagy László Zsolt wrote:


Thank you for your responses!

I tried to install cyrus-imapd, courier-imapd and dovecot, in this order. :-)
Dovecot has my preference. I could install it in a few minutes, and it was 
very easy to configure. At least it is easier than courier, for me. :-)


One thing to note here, and I've never looked into dovecot, so maybe its 
similar, but cyrus-imapd is a black-box mail spool ... mailbox != password 
entry, and the mail spool is *only* accessible through imap/pop3, no 
"local mail" ... it was designed to handle systems where needing >65536 
mailboxes was a requirement, as well as security ...



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RE: SMP Performance (Was: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail ... )

[Tamouh H.]

> >>
> >> On Jul 13, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Danial Thom wrote:
> >>
> >>> Simply enabling SMP on a single processor system adds 20-25% 
> >>> overhead in freebsd 6.1. Again, readily admitted/accepted by the 
> >>> developers.
> >>> There is no way to recover that in efficiency, at least not for a 
> >>> long time.
> >>
> >> So don't enable SMP on a single cpu system.  Easy enough to avoid.
> >> Chad
> >
> > Why would anyone want to enable SMP on a single CPU system anyway.
> 
> Actually, I believe all the new boot disks / ISOs are all 
> SMP-enabled, so unless you build a custom kernel (some ppl do 
> just run GENERIC ... I'm not one, mind you), you could be 
> running an SMP-enabled kernel on a UP system without even 
> knowing it ...
> 
> 
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I have to put my two cents here:

1) I agree with few posters that FreeBSD performance have been lacking behind. 
I've reported few issues on performance list and many did. We offered few 
pre-production servers for performance testing, but the answer we keep getting 
is:

a. It is either your hardware sucks
b. your benchmark application sucks

2) Regarding SMP, few posts talked about disabling hyper-thread and SMP because 
it causes a performance degradation. On production hosting server, the 
experience was otherwise though. Without HT and SMP, the server would sky 
rocket in resource consumption. This has been tested on FBSD 5.4 i386

3) I'm also frustrated like many with the rapid advancement in release jumps. 
We barely started 5.x to conclude it does not live up to expectations, so now 
6.x is suppoused to be the good version, yet 7.x is going to come out soon and 
probably in less than a year 6.x will be considered inadequate.

While I understand the development team is working hard to catch-up with 
technology and hats off to all the developers, why there is "in my opinion" no 
long term strategy for the base of the software.

Thank you,

Tamouh

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Re: IMAP server alternatives

[User Freebsd]

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Nagy L?szl? wrote:



Hello,

I tried cyrus-imapd, but I'm unsatisfied. Their website was down for a day. 
Now it is up, but the pages were not updated after 2003. They had a majordomo 
list but it is not functioning. I found another mailing list but nobody 
answers. I do not see answer to my question in its documentation.


The list I'm on is both fairly active, and definitely helpful:

Cyrus Mailing List 

The newest version that is being worked on actually include replication 
support, so you can have a backup IMAP server in real time ...



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SMP Performance (Was: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail ... )

[User Freebsd]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Jerry McAllister wrote:




On Jul 13, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Danial Thom wrote:


Simply enabling SMP on a single processor system
adds 20-25% overhead in freebsd 6.1. Again,
readily admitted/accepted by the developers.
There is no way to recover that in efficiency, at
least not for a long time.


So don't enable SMP on a single cpu system.  Easy enough to avoid.
Chad


Why would anyone want to enable SMP on a single CPU system anyway.


Actually, I believe all the new boot disks / ISOs are all SMP-enabled, so 
unless you build a custom kernel (some ppl do just run GENERIC ... I'm not 
one, mind you), you could be running an SMP-enabled kernel on a UP system 
without even knowing it ...



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Re: 6.1-RELEASE-i386 man broken?

[J]

On 2006-07-13 (Thu) 13:25:04 [+], David Christensen wrote:
> Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > Please read what I wrote more carefully.  To summarize: don't set
> > $MANPATH in your environment, and the man(1) command will work
> > correctly.
> 
> Now I understand:
> 
> > The environment variable MANPATH should in general not be set, as
> > that will override the effects of /etc/manpath.config.
> 

I ran into and had to solve this problem myself when first coming to
FreeBSD, recently, as my transported Linux bash configs contained
MANPATH=$MANPATH:/custom/manpath. What I never figured out was the
rationale for this. Anyone mind me asking what's wrong with MANPATH or
why manpath.config is exclusively favored? For instance, while I have a
/usr/lib/man.conf on my Linux system and can set the default manpath
there, man happily coexists with any MANPATH. How does one add a custom
manpath without root privileges? Etc. Just curious; thanks.

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Re: Best way to create a large data space

[stan]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 04:20:56PM -0400, John Nielsen wrote:
> On Thursday 13 July 2006 08:34, stan wrote:
> >  i have a Sun Ultra 40 with 4 500F SATA drives. I plan on using this
> >  machine primarily for a large data storage requirement.
> >
> >  What I want is one large /data partition. Given all the choices for doing
> >  this in FreeBSD (software) what's the "best" choice here? The partio will
> >  be shared via SAMBA if that affects the thhinking here.
> 
> "Best" really depends on what your needs and goals are. Here's a quick 
> overview of what the choices ARE, based mostly on memory. Corrections and 
> additions welcome. I'll try to make some notes about pros and cons as well.
> 
Thanks for the nice summary.

The data will be backed up nightly, so I'll probably use gstirpe to get the 
maximum capicty.
RAID5 would not work very well with 3 x 500G (asuuming that I can't use the 
500G that I put the
system on).

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Re: top and multiple CPU's

[stan]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 06:03:49PM -0400, Bob Johnson wrote:
> On 7/13/06, stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 06:08:50PM +0530, Ashok TM wrote:
> >> use
> >> top -S
> >> There will be new column with  'C'  tag which displays the the cpu id  on
> >> which the process is running
> >>
> >> mptables to list the processors available
> >
> >Hmm,
> >
> >cvsup# mptables
> >mptables: Command not found.
> >cvsup# man -k mptables
> >mptables: nothing appropriate
> >
> >and the man page for top says that _s os:
> >
> >   -S Show system processes in the  display.   Normally,
> >system pro- cesses  such  as  the pager and the swapper are not 
> >shown.
> >This option makes them visible.
> >
> >Am I mising something?
> 
> Perhaps you haven't actually tried it to see what happens. On 5.4,
> there is not an extra column, but top -S includes each CPU's idle
> percentage as a separate system process, so you can get some idea of
> how well balanced things are.  Perhaps the description above was for
> 7-CURRENT and 6.1-R acts more like 5.4. I don't have a 6.1 SMP system
> to test it on.
> 
See my other reply.

It appears that I don't get this, probably because I have not sucesfuly enable 
SMP on this
machine. Which is what I was trying to asertain.


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Re: top and multiple CPU's

[stan]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 07:01:05PM -0400, Bob wrote:
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> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Bob Johnson wrote:
> > I don't have a 6.1 SMP system
> > to test it on.
> > 
> 
> On a brand nwe 6,1 SMP system the first 2 lines of top -S
> 
> PID USERNAME  THR PRI NICE  SIZERES STATE  C  TIME   WCPUCOMMAND
> 11 root1 171   52 0K 8K RUN1  36.8H 90.38% idle:cpu1
> 12 root1 171   52 0K 8K RUN0  36.1H 90.33% idle:cpu0
> 
> [...]
> 
> 757 bob 1  960 26128K 12340K CPU0   0  27:30  2.05% Xorg
> 797 bob 1  960 28976K  8424K select 1  46:19  0.73% kdeinit
> 
Interesting

>From my machine:

  PID USERNAME  THR PRI NICE   SIZERES STATETIME   WCPU COMMAND
  11 root1 171   52 0K16K RUN 29.9H 99.02% idle
  38 root1  200 0K16K syncer   2:01  0.00% syncer
  24 root1 -68 -187 0K16K WAIT 1:28  0.00% irq21: nve0 ehci0
  13 root1 -32 -151 0K16K WAIT 1:10  0.00% swi4: clock sio
   
This leads me to think I have not gotten SMP working corectly on this machine. 
Is this a
correct assumption?

Also, I must admit to some amazement as to how diferntly top presents similar 
data on
differeing OS'es.


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CUPS, Network Printing

[Anthony Agelastos]

Hello,

Since my latest CUPS problem has nothing to do with the thread it was  
mentioned in (CUPS, USB printers & "Permission Denied"), I wanted to  
restate the problem and give some additional information.


When I try to print to my printer through the network via my MacBook  
Pro (which worked before), I get the message in the CUPS Web  
Interface (or through lpstat):


"/usr/local/libexec/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed"

Basically, I have the same problem reported in the thread "Can't  
print to CUPS from Macintosh".


I have successfully printed locally on the server with the root user  
and my normal user account. I have the same account name on my  
MacBook Pro when I tried to print. Attached to this email is the log  
(with only the pertinent events shown). It shows the 2 successful  
print jobs as well as the unsuccessful one.


Does anyone have any ideas? The FreeBSD community has my appreciation  
for all of its help on this matter.


-Anthony

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home encrypted from install (freebsd 6.1)

[Dave]

Hello,
   I'm about to do a 6.1 install on a new box. I'm separating /home in the 
filesystem so it's a system of it's own. During the install maybe after the 
install, but before the reboot i'd like to encrypt /home so that any data 
written to it after reboot will be encrypted. I was wondering if it was 
possible to do this during the install? If it is how would it effect 
programs like x? I'm going to have two users, one doing console logins, the 
other will have x whenever he logs in, i don't want the encryption to get in 
the way of this.

Thanks.
Dave.

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Re: top and multiple CPU's

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Bob Johnson wrote:
> I don't have a 6.1 SMP system
> to test it on.
> 

On a brand nwe 6,1 SMP system the first 2 lines of top -S

PID USERNAME  THR PRI NICE  SIZERES STATE  C  TIME   WCPUCOMMAND
11 root1 171   52 0K 8K RUN1  36.8H 90.38% idle:cpu1
12 root1 171   52 0K 8K RUN0  36.1H 90.33% idle:cpu0

[...]

757 bob 1  960 26128K 12340K CPU0   0  27:30  2.05% Xorg
797 bob 1  960 28976K  8424K select 1  46:19  0.73% kdeinit

Bob

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Is SPF being used on FreeBSD.org? Where's my PR?

[Joao Barros]

I filled a PR through send-pr(1) some hours ago and I can't find it in GNATS.
I received the CC I sent myself but nothing else...
Is spf being used on Freebsd.org?

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RE: TIME loss

[Chris Hill]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Mike Jeays wrote:


On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 17:35 -0400, Chris Hill wrote:

[...] To sync the clock on boot, you can add

ntpd_sync_on_start="NO" # Sync time on ntpd startup, even if offset is high

...to /etc/rc.conf.



Wouldn't 'ntpd_sync_on_start="YES"' work better?  Or is it a very
non-intuitive parameter?  Refer to
http://www.qnd-guides.org/qnd-ntpd.html


You're right, of course. I sit corrected. Maybe that's why my clock is 
wrong :^)


Good link, BTW.

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RE: TIME loss

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 17:35 -0400, Chris Hill wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Jean-Paul Natola wrote:
> 
> > But as I mentioned earlier
> >
> >  ntpd is running , when I do top
> 
> ...?
> 
> Anyway, make sure your drift file exists and is writeable. Mine looks 
> like this:
> 
> $ ls -l /var/db/ntpd.drift
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  6 Jul 13 17:01 /var/db/ntpd.drift
> 
> If it's not there, just
> # touch /var/db/ntpd.drift
> ...and verify permissions. ntpd should be able to take over from there.
> 
> 
> 
> Another thing: (assuming you don't want to use ntpdate) ntpd may not 
> sync to the time server if the local clock is "very" different from the 
> server's clock. To sync the clock on boot, you can add
> 
> ntpd_sync_on_start="NO" # Sync time on ntpd startup, even if offset is high
> 
> ...to /etc/rc.conf.
> 
> 
> 
> HTH.
> 
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Wouldn't 'ntpd_sync_on_start="YES"' work better?  Or is it a very
non-intuitive parameter?  Refer to
http://www.qnd-guides.org/qnd-ntpd.html


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Re: top and multiple CPU's

[Bob Johnson]

On 7/13/06, stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 06:08:50PM +0530, Ashok TM wrote:
> use
> top -S
> There will be new column with  'C'  tag which displays the the cpu id  on
> which the process is running
>
> mptables to list the processors available

Hmm,

cvsup# mptables
mptables: Command not found.
cvsup# man -k mptables
mptables: nothing appropriate

and the man page for top says that _s os:

   -S Show system processes in the  display.   Normally,
   system pro- cesses  such  as  the pager and the swapper are not 
shown.
   This option makes them visible.

Am I mising something?


Perhaps you haven't actually tried it to see what happens. On 5.4,
there is not an extra column, but top -S includes each CPU's idle
percentage as a separate system process, so you can get some idea of
how well balanced things are.  Perhaps the description above was for
7-CURRENT and 6.1-R acts more like 5.4. I don't have a 6.1 SMP system
to test it on.

5.4 also doesn't seem to have mptables.

- Bob
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Re: TIME loss

[Bill Moran]

"Jean-Paul Natola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But as I mentioned earlier
> 
>   ntpd is running , when I do top

Couple of things:
1) NTP will refuse to adjust the clock if it's too far off.  If your
   clock is drifting very badly, this may cause ntp to be unable to
   correct it.
2) If your clock is drifting as badly as you describe, you may benefit
   from switching to a different hardware clock.  You can see which
   clocks are available via the sysctl kern.timecounter.choice, then
   trying changing kern.timecounter.hardware.
3) Check the logs for messages.  Normal operation produces stuff like
   this: 
   May 25 08:21:17 pa-plum1b-166 ntpd[130]: time set -32.027468 s
   May 25 09:04:19 pa-plum1b-166 ntpd[130]: time reset 0.758199 s
4) If the logs don't help, you can run ntpd in debugging mode with -d
   or -D 

> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Greenwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:11 PM
> To: Jean-Paul Natola
> Cc: Peter A. Giessel; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: TIME loss
> 
> IIRC, ntpdate only syncs your time at boot. You want something like
> 
> ntpd_enable="YES"
> 
> On 7/13/06, Jean-Paul Natola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Peter A. Giessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:33 PM
> > To: Jean-Paul Natola
> > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: TIME loss
> >
> > On 7/13/2006 10:13, Jean-Paul Natola seems to have typed:
> > > I do have the ntpd running,
> >
> > what does ntpq -p say?
> >
> >
> >
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> > Here's my rc.conf  entry
> >
> > ntpdate_enable="YES"
> > ntpdate_program="ntpdate"
> > ntpdate_flags="-b 192.168.1.3"
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RE: TIME loss

[Chris Hill]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Jean-Paul Natola wrote:


But as I mentioned earlier

 ntpd is running , when I do top


...?

Anyway, make sure your drift file exists and is writeable. Mine looks 
like this:


$ ls -l /var/db/ntpd.drift
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  6 Jul 13 17:01 /var/db/ntpd.drift

If it's not there, just
# touch /var/db/ntpd.drift
...and verify permissions. ntpd should be able to take over from there.



Another thing: (assuming you don't want to use ntpdate) ntpd may not 
sync to the time server if the local clock is "very" different from the 
server's clock. To sync the clock on boot, you can add


ntpd_sync_on_start="NO" # Sync time on ntpd startup, even if offset is high

...to /etc/rc.conf.



HTH.

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Buildworld failes

[Luchezar Petkov]

Hi list,
   make buildworld failes to build, the error messages are:

   
/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/cryptlib.c:111:3:
   #error "Inconsistency between crypto.h and cryptlib.c"
   In file included from
   /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/evp/e_rc5.c:66:
   /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/openssl/rc5.h:67:2: #error RC5 is
   disabled.
   In file included from
   /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/evp/m_mdc2.c:65:
   /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/openssl/mdc2.h:69:2: #error MDC2 is
   disabled.
   In file included from
   
/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/mdc2/mdc2_one.c:61:
   /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/openssl/mdc2.h:69:2: #error MDC2 is
   disabled.
   In file included from
   
/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/mdc2/mdc2dgst.c:63:
   /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/openssl/mdc2.h:69:2: #error MDC2 is
   disabled.
   mkdep: compile failed
   *** Error code 1

   Stop in /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto.
   *** Error code 1

   Stop in /usr/src.
   *** Error code 1

   Stop in /usr/src.
   *** Error code 1

   Stop in /usr/src.
   *** Error code 1

   Stop in /usr/src.
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#uname -a
FreeBSD lilly.evo.bg 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Sun Jul  9
00:54:55 EEST 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LILLY
i386

#/usr/bin/openssl version  
OpenSSL 0.9.7e-p1 25 Oct 2004

Latest sources.

Thank you.



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Re: TIME loss

[Bob Johnson]

On 7/13/06, Jean-Paul Natola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have been trying to figure this one out for a couple of days,  but no can
do.

My clock on my bsd box currently 19 minutes ahead of the real world.

I have it set to query my w2k box as the time server.

I do have the ntpd running,

So I am not sure how to adjust I tried this

milter# ntpdate -q 192.168.1.3
Looking for host 192.168.1.3 and service ntp
host found : fci2003.fci
server 192.168.1.3, stratum 2, offset -1120.152027, delay 0.03365
13 Jul 14:30:19 ntpdate[79951]: step time server 192.168.1.3 offset
-1120.152027 sec

But the longer the machine stays up  (142 days ) the more time the clock
loses,

Aside from rebooting ,  is there any way to fix this?




It doesn't really make sense to run ntpdate if ntpd is already
running.  ntpdate runs once, sets the clock, and then exists.  ntpd
runs continuously and keeps the clock synchronized to the server, but
you must have the config file set up correctly. Do you have a line
like

server 192.168.1.3

in /etc/ntp.conf?

You might also want to make sure rc.conf includes:

ntpd_enable="YES"
ntpd_flags="-g -p /var/run/ntpd.pid"

The -g option lets it do a single large correction when it first
starts, similar to ntpdate.

If ntpd is running, then ntpq -p will tell you what peers it thinks it
is trying to synchronize to, and what the status is. If it shows an
asterisk (*) next to one of the peers, it is synchronized to that one.
In your case, it will be a list of one.  It takes a few minutes to
synch after first starting up.
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RE: 6.1-RELEASE-i386 man broken?

[David Christensen]

freebsd-questions:

Nick Withers wrote:
> Unfortunately (or at least as I understand it), the contents of
> "/etc/manpath.config" don't matter if you have the "MANPATH"
> environment variable set. Did you happen to set this yourself
> (i.e., explicitly)?

Yes:

2006-07-13 13:09:50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ grep MANPATH .*
.bash_history:echo $MANPATH
.bash_profile:MANPATH=$MANPATH:$HOME/cvs/man
.bash_profile:MANPATH=$MANPATH:$HOME/man
.bash_profile:MANPATH=$MANPATH:$HOME/share/man
.bash_profile:export MANPATH=:$HOME/local/man

2006-07-13 13:09:58 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ echo $MANPATH
:/home/dpchrist/local/man


I use the same .bash_profile and .bashrc everywhere, with conditionals
for various platforms and configurations.  Tightening up the
conditionals, logging out, and logging in again:

2006-07-13 13:12:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ echo $MANPATH

2006-07-13 13:12:56 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ manpath
/usr/share/man:/usr/local/man:/usr/X11R6/man:/usr/share/openssl/man:
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/man:/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/perl/man

2006-07-13 13:12:59 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ man man

Fixed!


Micah wrote:
> That's where http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi comes in handy

Yes, that's useful.


Matthew Seaman wrote:
> Please read what I wrote more carefully.  To summarize: don't set
> $MANPATH in your environment, and the man(1) command will work
> correctly.

Now I understand:

> The environment variable MANPATH should in general not be set, as
> that will override the effects of /etc/manpath.config.


Thanks everyone for your help.  :-)

David

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Re: Best way to create a large data space

[John Nielsen]

On Thursday 13 July 2006 08:34, stan wrote:
>  i have a Sun Ultra 40 with 4 500F SATA drives. I plan on using this
>  machine primarily for a large data storage requirement.
>
>  What I want is one large /data partition. Given all the choices for doing
>  this in FreeBSD (software) what's the "best" choice here? The partio will
>  be shared via SAMBA if that affects the thhinking here.

"Best" really depends on what your needs and goals are. Here's a quick 
overview of what the choices ARE, based mostly on memory. Corrections and 
additions welcome. I'll try to make some notes about pros and cons as well.

ccd(4). This is pretty well deprecated by other choices now, although it is 
still available. Supports pseudo-RAID1, pseudo-RAID0, and JBOD setups.

ataraid(4)/atacontrol(8). This is the tool used to do RAID on ata-driven 
devices whether the hardware pretends to support it or not. A good choice if 
you have a supported software "RAID" card, especially if you want your array 
to be usable under other OSes. Supports RAID0, RAID1, RAID0+1, SPAN, and JBOD 
setups. Again, only works with the ata(4) driver.

gvinum(8). This is the best (only?) choice if you want RAID5. Supports most 
setups imaginable on any type of disk (or combinations thereof). Setup and 
maintenance is a bit more complex than with other options. Migration from the 
original vinum (now unusable) to the GEOM-compatible gvinum is mostly (but 
not entirely) complete.

newer geom(4) tools: gstripe(8), gmirror(8), gconcat(8), graid3(8). Between, 
them, these tools support RAID0, RAID1, RAID3, and SPAN configurations on any 
type of disk (or combination thereof). In my experience these tools are 
easier to use than any of the above (and just as robust), so they are great 
options. Due to the way the metadata is stored on-disk, it's possible to 
shuffle disks around and still have your arrays detected correctly, which is 
not the case for at least some of the other options above.

Given the (somewhat sparse) details you provided, I would suggest either RAID5 
using gvinum or RAID0+1 using gmirror and gstripe. The former would give you 
high capacity and redundancy, the latter would give you high performance and 
redundancy. Since it's possible the network may already be a bottleneck the 
RAID5 performance hit might not be relevant.

If you really want high capacity and high performance you could use gstripe 
only, but only do so if you don't care if you lose all of your data (which 
you would as soon as any one of your disks had a problem).

JN
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Re: top and multiple CPU's

[stan]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 06:08:50PM +0530, Ashok TM wrote:
> use
> top -S
> There will be new column with  'C'  tag which displays the the cpu id  on
> which the process is running
> 
> mptables to list the processors available

Hmm,

cvsup# mptables
mptables: Command not found.
cvsup# man -k mptables
mptables: nothing appropriate

and the man page for top says that _s os:

   -S Show system processes in the  display.   Normally,  
   system pro- cesses  such  as  the pager and the swapper are not 
shown.  
   This option makes them visible.

Am I mising something?

> 
> 
> On 7/13/06, stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >I just installed 6.1 stable (AMD64) on a Sun Ultra 40. This is a dual CPU
> >machine.
> >
> >I have Linux installed on a similar machine. On the Linux box I can fire
> >up
> >top and type "1" to see the load on each CPU. This does not seem to work
> >on
> >the FreeBSD machine.
> >
> >Should it? How can I verify that the machine is using both CPU's ?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
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RE: TIME loss

[Jean-Paul Natola]

But as I mentioned earlier

  ntpd is running , when I do top
 

-Original Message-
From: Andy Greenwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:11 PM
To: Jean-Paul Natola
Cc: Peter A. Giessel; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: TIME loss

IIRC, ntpdate only syncs your time at boot. You want something like

ntpd_enable="YES"

On 7/13/06, Jean-Paul Natola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter A. Giessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:33 PM
> To: Jean-Paul Natola
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: TIME loss
>
> On 7/13/2006 10:13, Jean-Paul Natola seems to have typed:
> > I do have the ntpd running,
>
> what does ntpq -p say?
>
>
>
> No association ID's returned
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> Here's my rc.conf  entry
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> ntpdate_enable="YES"
> ntpdate_program="ntpdate"
> ntpdate_flags="-b 192.168.1.3"
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Re: TIME loss

[Andy Greenwood]

IIRC, ntpdate only syncs your time at boot. You want something like

ntpd_enable="YES"

On 7/13/06, Jean-Paul Natola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Peter A. Giessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:33 PM
To: Jean-Paul Natola
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: TIME loss

On 7/13/2006 10:13, Jean-Paul Natola seems to have typed:
> I do have the ntpd running,

what does ntpq -p say?



No association ID's returned
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Here's my rc.conf  entry

ntpdate_enable="YES"
ntpdate_program="ntpdate"
ntpdate_flags="-b 192.168.1.3"
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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2006-07-13 11:31, Danial Thom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's the deal, Chad. On this list, all the college-kid sysadmins
> tell me how great FreeBSD is, but on the freebsd-performance list,
> none of the developers refute my findings. If that doesn't tell you
> something, then you really don't have the capacity to comment on this
> or any other subject.

That's _not_ the impression I get from threads like:

  http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-performance/2006-June/002043.html
  http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-performance/2006-June/002074.html

These are, also, the only two threads in which your name appears since
January 2004, so before throwing around accusations about the FreeBSD
developers not answering your alleged "performance findings" -- of which
there is absolutely NO evidence in the freebsd-performance list archives
-- please consider that your false comments in a mailing list with a
wide distribution, like freebsd-questions, are NOT doing any good to
FreeBSD and have a big probability of being characterized as "troll
stuff".

Having this in mind, and bearing in mind the many contributions of Chad
to this list, which are of higher quality and in general contain text of
a far greater signal/noise ratio, I'm not sure it is so fair of you to
call people of this list "college-kid sysadmins" or to comment on Chad's
capacity to comment on any subject.

Nice troll, though...

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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> 
> On Jul 13, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Danial Thom wrote:
> 
> > Simply enabling SMP on a single processor system
> > adds 20-25% overhead in freebsd 6.1. Again,
> > readily admitted/accepted by the developers.
> > There is no way to recover that in efficiency, at
> > least not for a long time.
> 
> So don't enable SMP on a single cpu system.  Easy enough to avoid.
> Chad

Why would anyone want to enable SMP on a single CPU system anyway.
That would prove nothing other than that someone doesn't know
what SMP is.   Statistics about stunts like that might help pad
a student paper, but they don't reveal much of value.

jerry

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Dcc resume over nat fix for 6.x ?

[Todd Martin]

The dcc resume over nat bug has a patch for 5.x that works.
Even though it was never added to the source code:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/50310

I would like to know if there is a fix for 6.x
Since libalias is a kernel module in this version, I cant figgure out
how to
get it to work.
Anyone have any ideas?

Todd
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"swiN: clock sio" process taking 75% CPU

[Gareth McCaughan]

(Approximately the same question as I'm about to ask seems
to have come up many times in -questions and -stable, but
I haven't found a useful answer to it.)

I have a box running 6-STABLE, cvsupped yesterday.
Until recently it was running 5.something and showed
exactly the same peculiar behaviour as I'm about to
describe.

About 6 minutes after booting (on two occasions; I don't
guarantee that this doesn't vary), a process that appears
in the output of "ps" as "[swi4: clock sio]" begins to
use about 3/4 of the machine's CPU. I think it does so
more or less instantaneously. It continues to do so
indefinitely, so far as I can tell.

I'm not aware of anything specific that triggers this,
though I suppose there must *be* something. It happens
apparently spontaneously, on a lightly loaded machine.

Those cycles are genuinely being consumed; other processes
run much more slowly, and take much more wall time than
CPU time.

I've tried diddling my kernel's HZ value; the behaviour
with HZ=100 and with HZ=1000 is the same, so far as I'm
able to tell. I've no idea whether it might be relevant,
but I have option DEVICE_POLLING turned on; toggling
sysctl kern.polling.enable doesn't seem to make any
difference.

The machine is a very uninteresting single-CPU Athlon box,
clocked at 1.6GHz, several years old. It used to run 4.x
once upon a time, and I'm fairly sure it was fine then.
As I mentioned above, it's running a recent 6-STABLE but
showed the same pathology under 5.x. Here's its dmesg output,
with a few uninteresting bits of information leakage elided.

-- dmesg output begins --
Copyright (c) 1992-2006 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #3: Thu Jul 13 16:46:07 BST 2006
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/
ACPI APIC Table: 
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1900+ (1599.73-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x662  Stepping = 2
  
Features=0x383fbff
  AMD Features=0xc0480800
real memory  = 536805376 (511 MB)
avail memory = 51598 (492 MB)
ioapic0  irqs 0-23 on motherboard
netsmb_dev: loaded
acpi0:  on motherboard
acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0
cpu0:  on acpi0
acpi_throttle0:  on cpu0
acpi_button0:  on acpi0
pcib0:  port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
pci0:  on pcib0
agp0:  mem 
0xe000-0xe3ff at device 0.0 on pci0
pcib1:  at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1:  on pcib1
pci1:  at device 0.0 (no driver attached)
xl0: <3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xec00-0xec7f mem 
0xdf80-0xdfff irq 17 at device 6.0 on pci0
miibus0:  on xl0
ukphy0:  on miibus0
ukphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
xl0: Ethernet address: 00:04:75:7e:54:fd
isab0:  at device 17.0 on pci0
isa0:  on isab0
atapci0:  port 
0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xfc00-0xfc0f at device 17.1 on pci0
ata0:  on atapci0
ata1:  on atapci0
uhci0:  port 0xdc00-0xdc1f irq 5 at device 17.2 on 
pci0
uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
usb0:  on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1:  port 0xe000-0xe01f irq 5 at device 17.3 on 
pci0
uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED]
usb1:  on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci2:  port 0xe400-0xe41f irq 5 at device 17.4 on 
pci0
uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED]
usb2:  on uhci2
usb2: USB revision 1.0
uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
pci0:  at device 17.5 (no driver attached)
acpi_button1:  on acpi0
fdc0:  port 0x3f2-0x3f3,0x3f4-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 
on acpi0
fdc0: [FAST]
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0
sio0: type 16550A
sio1: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0
sio1: type 16550A
ppc0:  port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77b irq 7 drq 3 on 
acpi0
ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/9 bytes threshold
ppbus0:  on ppc0
plip0:  on ppbus0
lpt0:  on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0:  on ppbus0
atkbdc0:  port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0
atkbd0:  irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
psm0:  irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0
pmtimer0 on isa0
sc0:  at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
vga0:  at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0
Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1599730245 Hz quality 800
Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec
ad0: 38166MB  at ata0-master UDMA100
acd0: DVDROM  at ata1-master UDMA33
Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
-- dmesg output ends --

Re: Sysinstall - Will not die

[Duane Hill]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Lowell Gilbert wrote:


Duane Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Lowell Gilbert wrote:


Duane Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


If this has been discussed before, please point it out. I've done some
searching and can not quite come up with the solution other than to
reboot the server. I'm hoping a reboot can be avoided.

I recently attempted to run sysinstall to install something that was
not listed in the ports collection. Sysinstall is still running in the
back ground as a result of my ssh session getting terminated. Now, I
can not kill sysinstall. I found some things on the web that pointed
out there may be a parent that is keeping the child thread alive. That
parent has been killed off and I still can not kill sysinstall.

I am noticing some things in the messages log that may be as a direct
result of sysinstall still running. I am getting the following two
lines logged all the time:

Jul  9 16:51:16 cgate kernel: acd0: req=0xc3833640 TEST_UNIT_READY
semaphore timeout !! DANGER Will Robinson !!
Jul  9 16:51:17 cgate kernel: acd0: req=0xc38324b0 SETFEATURES SET
TRANSFER MODE semaphore timeout !! DANGER Will Robinson !!

I know acd0 has something to do with the cdrom drive. That is the only
thing being complained about within the logs as far as hardware
goes. No other file systems are having issues.

Can someone shed some light on what is going on?


What is the ps(1) output for that task?


Sorry for not including that part:

root   17722  0.0  0.1  2128  1456  p0- D 2Jul06   0:23.08 sysinstall


Yep, stuck in an uninterruptible disk wait.

I can't find that warning message in my (6-STABLE, mid-June) sources,
and you didn't mention what version you were running...


I'm running the release version of 6.0. I'm going to just to reboot the 
server tonight after most of the activity dies down.


Thanks for the response.

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RE: TIME loss

[Jean-Paul Natola]

-Original Message-
From: Peter A. Giessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:33 PM
To: Jean-Paul Natola
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: TIME loss

On 7/13/2006 10:13, Jean-Paul Natola seems to have typed:
> I do have the ntpd running,

what does ntpq -p say?



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Here's my rc.conf  entry

ntpdate_enable="YES"
ntpdate_program="ntpdate"
ntpdate_flags="-b 192.168.1.3"
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RE: TIME loss

[Jean-Paul Natola]

 

-Original Message-
From: Peter A. Giessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:33 PM
To: Jean-Paul Natola
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: TIME loss

On 7/13/2006 10:13, Jean-Paul Natola seems to have typed:
> I do have the ntpd running,

what does ntpq -p say?



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Using mergemaster for non-base files

[Ian A. Tegebo]

Is anyone using mergemaster for groups of files that are not being
updated from /usr/src?  I've been thinking of making a copy of 
/usr/src/etc/Makefile and then modifying it so that I can run mergemaster 
like this:

-- script --
MYTMP="/var/tmp/twiki_upgrade"
MYSRC="/var/tmp/new_twiki_src"
MYDST="/usr/local/www/twiki" 

mergemaster -t $MYTMP -m $MYSRC -D $MYDST
 end script 

The first problem I ran into was:

-- Error --
make: don't know how to make distrib-dirs. Stop
make: don't know how to make distrib-dirs. Stop

  *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /var/tmp/new_twiki_src and install files to
the temproot environment
 end Error ---

Has anyone had any luck with something like this?  My approach will be
to write a Makefile in $MYSRC/etc/Makefile that will have targets:


$ grep -E '^[-a-zA-Z0-9_]+:' /usr/src/etc/Makefile
afterinstall:
distribute:
distribution:
distrib-dirs:
etc-examples:

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Re: emulators ports: linux_base-8 vs linux_base-fc4

[Boris Samorodov]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:18:57 +0300 Petre Bandac wrote:

> after a cvsup, portupgrading acroread gives me the following:

> ##
> linux_base-fc-4_6 conflicts with installed package(s): 
>   linux_base-8-8.0_15

> They install files into the same place.
>   Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
> ##

> and 
> kgb# pkg_info linux_base-8-8.0_15
> Information for linux_base-8-8.0_15:

> Comment:
> Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for i386/amd64)

> Required by:
> acroread7-7.0.1,1
> linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_7
> linux-atk-1.8.0_2
> linux-expat-1.95.7_1
> linux-firefox-1.5.0.4
> linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_3
> linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_4
> linux-glib2-2.4.8_2
> linux-gtk2-2.4.14_4
> linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5
> linux-jpeg-6b.33_1
> linux-pango-1.6.0_2
> linux-png-1.2.8_1
> linux-tiff-3.6.1_6
> linux_dri-4.4.0
> skype-1.2.0.18

> is it ok deleting linux_base-8 and installing linux-base-fc4 ? will the
> dependencies be satisfied ?

According to /usr/ports/UPDATING (please read it for detailed
information) you should replace linux base and linux X libraries.
All the dependencies should be satisfied.

BTW there were many changes to linux infrostructure ports since your
installation. You may consider portupgrading them all.


WBR
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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Danial Thom]

--- "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 13, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Danial Thom
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > --- "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Danial Thom
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> SMP has overhead but FreeBSD on 2 processors
> >> can do more work than
> >> FreeBSD on the same HW with just 1
> processor.
> >> That is a fact.
> >>
> >>> Are you people stupid or delusional?
> >>
> >> No, and the data you posted did not support
> >> your allegations of
> >> performance either.
> >>
> >> Chad
> >
> > I doubt you have the capacity to understand
> the
> > tests, and as they say,  you can't educate
> the
> > woodchucks.
> 
> You can doubt all you want.  The plain fact is
> you said things like  
> 200-400% and the tests and commentary did not
> support that.  You also  
> inferred that a 2 CPU system in SMP mode would
> overall be able to do  
> less work than a 1 CPU system in UP mode.  
> Again, you have given no  
> evidence that this is true and the stuff you
> quoted did not support  
> that.  It did say that there is overhead in the
> SMP code that makes  
> things less efficient and that the overhead is
> more than comparable  
> OSes, at least for the Sparc T1 stuff.
> 
> You are the idiot, Mr. Thom.  You may be
> intellectually smart but you  
> are a blooming idiot when it comes to public
> discourse.  And I will  
> take the advice given earlier, to stop feeding
> the trolls -- you are  
> a supreme troll.
> 
> I may make 2 recommendations:
> 
> #1 read "How to win friends and influence
> people" .  Here is a quick  
> synopsis. 
>

> 
> #2 learn how to use your email program and to
> trim posts you reply to.
>
Here's the deal, Chad. On this list, all the
college-kid sysadmins tell me how great FreeBSD
is, but on the freebsd-performance list, none of
the developers refute my findings. If that
doesn't tell you something, then you really don't
have the capacity to comment on this or any other
subject.

You can't reason someone out of an idea not
reasoned into, Chad. You have no foundation for
your beliefs, so even prima facie evidence won't
convince you. Its called being a fool.

DT


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Re: emulators ports: linux_base-8 vs linux_base-fc4

[Erik Trulsson]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 09:18:57PM +0300, Petre Bandac wrote:
> hallo
> 
> after a cvsup, portupgrading acroread gives me the following:
> 
> ##
> linux_base-fc-4_6 conflicts with installed package(s): 
>   linux_base-8-8.0_15
> 
> They install files into the same place.
>   Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
> ##

[...]

> 
> is it ok deleting linux_base-8 and installing linux-base-fc4 ? will the
> dependencies be satisfied ?

Read the 20060616 entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING for information on how to
update the linux emulation stuff.




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emulators ports: linux_base-8 vs linux_base-fc4

[Petre Bandac]

hallo

after a cvsup, portupgrading acroread gives me the following:

##
linux_base-fc-4_6 conflicts with installed package(s): 
  linux_base-8-8.0_15

They install files into the same place.
  Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
##

and 
kgb# pkg_info linux_base-8-8.0_15
Information for linux_base-8-8.0_15:

Comment:
Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for i386/amd64)

Required by:
acroread7-7.0.1,1
linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_7
linux-atk-1.8.0_2
linux-expat-1.95.7_1
linux-firefox-1.5.0.4
linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_3
linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_4
linux-glib2-2.4.8_2
linux-gtk2-2.4.14_4
linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5
linux-jpeg-6b.33_1
linux-pango-1.6.0_2
linux-png-1.2.8_1
linux-tiff-3.6.1_6
linux_dri-4.4.0
skype-1.2.0.18

is it ok deleting linux_base-8 and installing linux-base-fc4 ? will the
dependencies be satisfied ?

thanks,

petre

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TIME loss

[Jean-Paul Natola]

Hi everyone,

I have been trying to figure this one out for a couple of days,  but no can
do.

My clock on my bsd box currently 19 minutes ahead of the real world.

I have it set to query my w2k box as the time server.

I do have the ntpd running,

So I am not sure how to adjust I tried this 

milter# ntpdate -q 192.168.1.3
Looking for host 192.168.1.3 and service ntp
host found : fci2003.fci
server 192.168.1.3, stratum 2, offset -1120.152027, delay 0.03365
13 Jul 14:30:19 ntpdate[79951]: step time server 192.168.1.3 offset
-1120.152027 sec

But the longer the machine stays up  (142 days ) the more time the clock
loses, 

Aside from rebooting ,  is there any way to fix this?











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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On Jul 13, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Danial Thom wrote:




--- "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Danial Thom
wrote:






SMP has overhead but FreeBSD on 2 processors
can do more work than
FreeBSD on the same HW with just 1 processor.
That is a fact.


Are you people stupid or delusional?


No, and the data you posted did not support
your allegations of
performance either.

Chad


I doubt you have the capacity to understand the
tests, and as they say,  you can't educate the
woodchucks.


You can doubt all you want.  The plain fact is you said things like  
200-400% and the tests and commentary did not support that.  You also  
inferred that a 2 CPU system in SMP mode would overall be able to do  
less work than a 1 CPU system in UP mode.   Again, you have given no  
evidence that this is true and the stuff you quoted did not support  
that.  It did say that there is overhead in the SMP code that makes  
things less efficient and that the overhead is more than comparable  
OSes, at least for the Sparc T1 stuff.


You are the idiot, Mr. Thom.  You may be intellectually smart but you  
are a blooming idiot when it comes to public discourse.  And I will  
take the advice given earlier, to stop feeding the trolls -- you are  
a supreme troll.


I may make 2 recommendations:

#1 read "How to win friends and influence people" .  Here is a quick  
synopsis.  


#2 learn how to use your email program and to trim posts you reply to.

signing off
Chad

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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Danial Thom]

Burying your head in the sand is a common method
used by stupid people that have no answer to the
truth. I don't blame you; you guys don't want
your employers to know that you've wasted man
1000s of their dollars because you don't know the
performance characteristics of the hardware
you've recommended. It must be thoroughly
embarrassing.

--- Greg Barniskis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Nick Withers wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:22:03 -0700 (PDT)
> > Danial Thom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> --- Head in the sand Jerry mumbled:
> > 
> > Just thought I should metion that this comes
> across as rude to
> > me... but maybe that's just me!
> 
> No, it's not you.
> 
> Mr. Thom thoroughly obscures the fact that he
> has an occasional 
> valid point to make by frequently hurling
> foul-smelling, flaming 
> troll turds at anyone who dares to voice
> disagreement with him (or 
> even anyone who in any other way presents an
> attractive target).
> 
> Many list subscribers have long since
> permanently ignored him. Most 
> folks are tolerant of differing opinions, and
> even of having their 
> own assumptions challenged, but not tolerant of
> name calling and 
> other forms of cheap demagogy which really have
> no place in the 
> formulation of a cogent rational argument.
> 
> As have writ others before me... please do not
> feed the troll.
> 


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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Danial Thom]

--- "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Danial Thom
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > --- "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Jul 13, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Danial Thom
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Simply enabling SMP on a single processor
> >> system
> >>> adds 20-25% overhead in freebsd 6.1. Again,
> >>> readily admitted/accepted by the
> developers.
> >>> There is no way to recover that in
> >> efficiency, at
> >>> least not for a long time.
> >>
> >> So don't enable SMP on a single cpu system.
> >> Easy enough to avoid.
> >>
> >> Chad
> >
> > Don't use SMP, because the overhead stays
> with 2
> > processors, with little additional benefit
> (as
> > other tests show). Easy enough to avoid.
> >
> 
> SMP has overhead but FreeBSD on 2 processors
> can do more work than  
> FreeBSD on the same HW with just 1 processor. 
> That is a fact.
> 
> > Are you people stupid or delusional?
> 
> No, and the data you posted did not support
> your allegations of  
> performance either.
> 
> Chad

I doubt you have the capacity to understand the
tests, and as they say,  you can't educate the
woodchucks.

DT

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Re: ELF file OS ABI invalid....

[Boris Samorodov]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:28:41 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:
> On 07/13/2006 10:24, Boris Samorodov wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:13:34 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:
> >> On 07/13/2006 10:01, Boris Samorodov wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:52:34 +0400 Boris Samorodov wrote:
>  On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:59:46 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:
> > On 07/13/2006 06:50, Boris Samorodov wrote:
> >> (maintainer CCed)
> >>
> >> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:26:36 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am trying to get a linux app to use hardware acceleration.  I have a
> >>> couple of linux apps (googleearth, NWN) that *do presently work* with
> >>> hardware acceleration... but this one in particular (linux-ut) *does
> >>> not*.
> >> Which version of linux-ut you are running?
> > linux-ut-451=  [held] up-to-date with port
> > Though, I don't think that is in the ports tree yet.  Sean sent it to
> > me directly, after he made the port.
> >>> Oh, I gorgot to say that it is at the ports tree now. May be you give
> >>> a port a chance?
> >>>
> > I asked him about getting hardware acceleration up and running and
> > we were not able to figure it out.  Though the message below is more
> > descriptive now (in the 451 build) than it was when I asked him
> > previously.
> >>> It gives me the following error in its log file:
> >>> Critical: Failed loading /usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1:
> >>> /usr/local/
> >>> lib/libdrm.so.2: ELF file OS ABI invalid
> >> It's really strange that only linux-ut doesn't work.
> > I agree.
> >> Eric, are you sure that you don't have any non-standard paths, LD_* or
> >> something else at your environment which ends up with searching
> >> /usr/local before /compat/linux for linux-ut?
> > No, I'm not exactly.  If I modify /usr/local/bin/ut so that it echoes
> > LD_LIBRARY_PATH right before it launches the game I get the following:
> >   LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
> > which looked odd.
>  Yes. That may be a culprit.
> > So I tried the following two, and neither worked.
> > LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
> > :/usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
> > LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
> > /usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
> > Both end up with exactly the same error message.
>  I think that you may try to delete all LD_* stuff and restore the
>  defaults. I.e. something like:
>  LD_LIBRARY_PATH = ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}
> >>> I was wrong here. This won't help. You need to delete all stuff from
> >>> LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
> >>>
>  or
>  LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :
> >>> Or may be :LD_LIBRARY_PATH =".
> >
> >> So you think LD_LIBRARY_PATH should be empty, even void of the path
> >> that the ut script puts in there?
> >
> > Yes. All problems we have so far are with non-default settings (which
> > is not good for linuxolator).

> When I try this the results are the same.  Same error message.  :(

Hm. Cam you mail directly to me ktrace.out from tahe command "ktrace
-i "?

> > I tried to run /usr/compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd on /usr/compat/.../libGL
> > but it gave no output!?  Is that correct?
> >>> Is my linux libGL.so.1 trying to use my FreeBSD libdrm.so.2?  Surely
> >>> that's not what is supposed to happen?
> >>> I have:
> >>> FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE i386 as of a few days ago.
> >>> linux-atk-1.9.1 =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux-expat-1.95.8  =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_5=  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux-glib2-2.6.6   =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux-gtk2-2.6.10   =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux-jpeg-6b.34=  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux-openmotif-2.2.4_2 =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux-pango-1.8.1   =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux-png-1.2.8_2   =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux-realplayer-10.0.7.785.20060201  =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux-sdl-1.2.10_1  =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux-tiff-3.7.1=  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5 =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux_base-fc-4_6   =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linux_dri-6.5   =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linuxdoc-1.1_1  =  up-to-date with port
> >>> linuxpluginwrapper-20051113_4  =  up-to-date with port
> >>> What else can I provide that might be of use?  Any ideas?
> >
> >
> > WBR


> -- 
> Regards,
> Eric

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Re: xpaint question.

[Mike Hunter]

On Jul 13 at 09:30, "Gary Kline" wrote:

>   I used to know how to use xpaint to change backgrounds ... and 
>   lots more, but now I'm fumbling.  If it isn't *too* far off the
>   -question list's target, can anybody clue me in howto change 
>   just the solid-black background to another solid color?

I'm not familiar with xpaint, but I have been known to say

xsetroot -solid cornflowerblue

:)

Mike
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Re: Boot hangs at "/bin/sh?", can't see USB keyboard

[Chris Shenton]

Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On some Dells, there is a BIOS option to boot with "USB legacy support"
> (or some similar wording) or without USB support at all.  Having the
> correct setting is pivotal to getting the USB keyboard to work.  The
> correct setting varies from model to model.  What fun.

I didn't see any option like this on my Dimension 9150. :-(

> Additionally, sometimes escaping the boot loader and setting
> hint.atkbd.0.flags="0x1" is still required on some hardware (even with
> 6.1).

I'll look into this.


> That might be faster ... get a FreeSBIE disk.

Tried this, very nice LiveCD.  But I couldn't figure out how to get it
to see and then mount my SATA disk partition so I could fix its
/etc/fstab.  Perhaps I missed something, but the
/scripts/mount_disks.sh didn't seem to find the hard drives.


Alex Zbyslaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The FreeBSD installation CD will also do just fine with fixit shell.
> Any CD from 5.X onwards should mount UFS2 partitions even if you are
> running some later OS version.  Given your USB trouble, a 5.X CD might
> even be preferred since it has the boot option you want.

Since I couldn't figure out how to get FreeSBIE to mount the hard
drives, I started downloading the FreeBSD-6.1 install CDs.  While
waiting, I got the dead box to boot over the net from my main box
(which boots a small diskless box I run in the kitchen).  That at
least brought it up to the point where I could ssh into the box then
fix the /etc/fstab.

Kinda round-about but it worked.  :-)


Erik Nørgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The keyboard usually works on the boot menu as the bios is in control.
> So, exit the menu to load the kernel modules you need, usb, ukbd and
> uhid I think should do. Then boot into single user mode.

I tried this, but when it started to boot it said the modules were
already installed and then hung at the point where it sees "atkbdc0".


> For next time, this happens, I suggest you build a kernel with usb
> keyboard support built in. I think the GENERIC kernel now supports usb
> keyboards by default, which explains why the boot option has been removed.

I'll check to make sure my custom kernel has this.


Thanks to everyone for your help.
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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Greg Barniskis]

Nick Withers wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:22:03 -0700 (PDT)
Danial Thom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


--- Head in the sand Jerry mumbled:


Just thought I should metion that this comes across as rude to
me... but maybe that's just me!


No, it's not you.

Mr. Thom thoroughly obscures the fact that he has an occasional 
valid point to make by frequently hurling foul-smelling, flaming 
troll turds at anyone who dares to voice disagreement with him (or 
even anyone who in any other way presents an attractive target).


Many list subscribers have long since permanently ignored him. Most 
folks are tolerant of differing opinions, and even of having their 
own assumptions challenged, but not tolerant of name calling and 
other forms of cheap demagogy which really have no place in the 
formulation of a cogent rational argument.


As have writ others before me... please do not feed the troll.
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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Nick Withers]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:47:23 -0700 (PDT)
Danial Thom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> --- "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Jul 13, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Danial Thom wrote:
> > 
> > > Simply enabling SMP on a single processor
> > system
> > > adds 20-25% overhead in freebsd 6.1. Again,
> > > readily admitted/accepted by the developers.
> > > There is no way to recover that in
> > efficiency, at
> > > least not for a long time.
> > 
> > So don't enable SMP on a single cpu system. 
> > Easy enough to avoid.
> > 
> > Chad
> 
> Don't use SMP, because the overhead stays with 2
> processors, with little additional benefit (as
> other tests show).

Could you please provide evidence of your assertion (or, at the
very least, a link)?

As I said before, I don't doubt that there's overhead in
running an SMP FreeBSD system, but I strongly believe that this
overhead is overcome by the advantages of running such a set-up
on a multi-processor machine. That having been said, if you
have evidence to the contrary I imagine there'd be many that
would like to hear about it.

> Easy enough to avoid.
> 
> Are you people stupid or delusional?

Careful, mate. I tend to believe that it's wise, at least from a
PR point of view, to assume you're in the wrong until proven
otherwise. If you can prove otherwise, please do so. In the
mean time, I suggest you adopt a more friendly tone: The people
on this list are here to help you, but asserting that they're
either stupid or delusional ain't gonna get you any help in a
hurry.

> DT
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Re: 6.1-RELEASE-i386 man broken?

[Matthew Seaman]

David Christensen wrote:
> Matthew Seaman wrote:
>> What are the contents of /etc/manpath.config ?
> 
> $ cat /etc/manpath.config | egrep -v '^#'
> MANDATORY_MANPATH   /usr/share/man
> MANDATORY_MANPATH   /usr/share/openssl/man
> OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/local/man
> OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/X11R6/man
> MANPATH_MAP /bin/usr/share/man
> MANPATH_MAP /usr/bin/usr/share/man
> MANPATH_MAP /usr/local/bin  /usr/local/man
> MANPATH_MAP /usr/X11R6/bin  /usr/X11R6/man
> OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/man
> OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/perl/man
> 
> 
>> You can see the ultimate result by running the 'manpath' command.
> 
> 2006-07-13 08:38:20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
> $ manpath
> (Warning: MANPATH environment variable set)
> :/home/dpchrist/local/man
> 
> 
>> See the manpath(1) man page for more information.
> 
> 2006-07-13 08:38:58 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
> $ man manpath
> No manual entry for manpath
> 
> 
> Any other ideas?

Please read what I wrote more carefully.  To summarize: don't set
$MANPATH in your environment, and the man(1) command will work correctly.

Matthew

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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Danial Thom wrote:




--- "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Jul 13, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Danial Thom wrote:


Simply enabling SMP on a single processor

system

adds 20-25% overhead in freebsd 6.1. Again,
readily admitted/accepted by the developers.
There is no way to recover that in

efficiency, at

least not for a long time.


So don't enable SMP on a single cpu system.
Easy enough to avoid.

Chad


Don't use SMP, because the overhead stays with 2
processors, with little additional benefit (as
other tests show). Easy enough to avoid.



SMP has overhead but FreeBSD on 2 processors can do more work than  
FreeBSD on the same HW with just 1 processor.  That is a fact.



Are you people stupid or delusional?


No, and the data you posted did not support your allegations of  
performance either.


Chad

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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Danial Thom]

--- "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 13, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Danial Thom wrote:
> 
> > Simply enabling SMP on a single processor
> system
> > adds 20-25% overhead in freebsd 6.1. Again,
> > readily admitted/accepted by the developers.
> > There is no way to recover that in
> efficiency, at
> > least not for a long time.
> 
> So don't enable SMP on a single cpu system. 
> Easy enough to avoid.
> 
> Chad

Don't use SMP, because the overhead stays with 2
processors, with little additional benefit (as
other tests show). Easy enough to avoid.

Are you people stupid or delusional?

DT

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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On Jul 13, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Danial Thom wrote:


Simply enabling SMP on a single processor system
adds 20-25% overhead in freebsd 6.1. Again,
readily admitted/accepted by the developers.
There is no way to recover that in efficiency, at
least not for a long time.


So don't enable SMP on a single cpu system.  Easy enough to avoid.

Chad

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Your Web App and Email hosting provider
chad at shire.net



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xpaint question.

[Gary Kline]

I used to know how to use xpaint to change backgrounds ... and 
lots more, but now I'm fumbling.  If it isn't *too* far off the
-question list's target, can anybody clue me in howto change 
just the solid-black background to another solid color?

thanks much for any clues,

gary



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Re: 6.1-RELEASE-i386 man broken?

[Jaime]

On Jul 13, 2006, at 11:48 AM, Nick Withers wrote:

Unfortunately (or at least as I understand it), the contents of
"/etc/manpath.config" don't matter if you have the "MANPATH"
environment variable set.


Is this true if you set it to "$MANPATH:/usr/local/additional/path" ?

Come to think of it, this might be the source of David's issue.

Jaime
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Re: 6.1-RELEASE-i386 man broken?

[Micah]

Nick Withers wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:42:53 -0700
"David Christensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Matthew Seaman wrote:

See the manpath(1) man page for more information.

2006-07-13 08:38:58 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ man manpath
No manual entry for manpath


Hahaha... I absolutely *love* these kinds of problems... You
can't find the man page because of a problem locating man
pages! :-)


That's where http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi comes in handy - as long 
as you also have a working web browser somewhere.


HTH,
Micah
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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Danial Thom]

--- Nick Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:22:03 -0700 (PDT)
> Danial Thom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > --- Head in the sand Jerry mumbled:
> 
> Just thought I should metion that this comes
> across as rude to
> me... but maybe that's just me!
> 
> > > > --- Francisco Reyes
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Marc G. Fournier writes:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > the problem is that none of the Tier
> 1
> > > > > hardware manufacturer's support 
> > > > > > FreeBSD, and a growing number of
> places
> > > (ie.
> > > > > Adaptec / Intel) appear to be 
> > > > > > dropping support for it as well ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > But companies like 3Ware and Areca are
> > > > > supporting it and from what I see on 
> > > > > the lists, people are voting with their
> > > money
> > > > > in their favor.
> > > > 
> > > > Mainly because they had drivers that
> required
> > > > little modification from previous
> versions.
> > > Intel
> > > > has a few other things on their plate,
> > > releasing
> > > > more processors to bail out Freebsd's
> paltry
> > > > performance, so give them a break.
> > > > 
> > > > How long are vendors supposed to wait for
> the
> > > > FreeBSD developers to deliver the
> performance
> > > > they've claimed that they can deliver? I
> know
> > > > several network appliance vendors all
> stuck
> > > on
> > > > FreeBSD 4, because 5 and 6 are a step
> > > backwards
> > > > performance-wise. Now they're saying 7
> will
> > > be
> > > > the one. 
> > > > 
> > > > FreeBSD is the OS that cried "WOLF", and
> the
> > > > vendors are starting to ignore the calls.
> The
> > > > infrastructure is so poor (in terms of
> > > process
> > > > switching times and scheduler
> efficiencies),
> > > and
> > > > they seem clueless on how to fix it.
> > > 
> > > Must be a troll.
> > > FreeBSD performance is not what holds it
> back.
> > > It competes well with others out there.
> > > 
> > > jerry
> > 
> > No it doesn't, Jerry. Even Robert Watson, who
> > spends most of his time on performance
> issues,
> > readily admits that 
> > 
> > - FreeBSD 6 is faster with 1 processor than 2
> > - FreeBSD 6 is slower with 1 processor than
> > Freebsd 4.x
> 
> Would you mind providing a source for that
> information? I would
> not be at all surprised to hear that a FreeBSD
> 6.x
> dual-CPU set-up provides less than twice the
> performance as that
> of a single CPU FreeBSD 6.x set-up, but I will
> happily eat my
> own (mighty tasty) hat if a dual CPU FreeBSD
> 6.x set-up
> performs worse than a single FreeBSD 6.x
> set-up. That having
> been said, I tend to treat Robert Watson's word
> as gospel, but
> I'd like to see it in a form I can trust
> (honestly, no offense
> intended!) first (i.e., please provide a source
> for your
> information :-)).
> 
> > The process switch times are 2-4x slower than
> on
> > linux. Thats not 2-4%, thats 200-400% slower.
> 
> 
> Could you provide me with a source here (Not
> trying to be rude,
> but I'd be really interested in reading about
> this)?
> 
> > Simply enabling SMP on a single processor
> system
> > adds 20-25% overhead in freebsd 6.1.
> 
> Whilst I have trouble accepting these
> particular figures, I
> don't doubt that there is *some* overhead in
> dealing with
> multiple CPUs, from a kernel perspective.
> 
> > Again, readily admitted/accepted by the
> developers.
> > There is no way to recover that in
> efficiency, at
> > least not for a long time.
> > 
> > What's really frightening is that Dragonfly
> is
> > going to shed the giant lock before Freebsd,
> and
> > there's only one guy working on it.
> 
> Please see
> "http://www.dragonflybsd.org/about/team.cgi";.
> My
> maths ain't great (alright, it's terrible!) but
> I count more
> than one committer. I'm probably just
> misunderstanding what
> you're trying to say here...
> 
> > Its prima facie evidence that IQ isn't
> cumulative.
> > 
> > DT
> 
> Sorry if this appears stand-off-ish - I don't
> mean it do be! I
> do have a bias in favour of what I see as the
> best OS ever,
> though (better that MacOS 7.5.3, even! :-))

Robert Watson's own test, on freebsd-performance:

"I'll run some more diverse tests today, such as
raw bandwidth tests, pps on 
UDP, and so on, and see where things sit.  The
reduced overhead should be 
measurable in cases where the test is CPU-bound
and there's no clear benefit 
to more accurate timing, such as with TCP, but it
would be good to confirm 
that. 


Robert N M Watson 
Computer Laboratory 
University of Cambridge 


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Re: swith old version to the new version

[Gerard Seibert]

tethys ocean wrote:

> No; in document (http://www.hart.co.jp/spam/sa-clamav-e.html) only insruct
> to spamassassin installation but I think perl updating process is hard and
> differ from spamasssin installation, since it give some error  in below
> 
> 
>  Verifying install for p5-GSSAPI>0 in /usr/ports/security/p5-GSSAPI
> ===>   p5-GSSAPI-0.22 depends on file:
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Test/More.pm - found
> ===>   p5-GSSAPI-0.22 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 - found
> ===>  Configuring for p5-GSSAPI-0.22
> 
>  Welcome to GSSAPI.pm setup!
> 
>  run "perl Makefile.PL --help" to see further installation options

// from: /usr/ports/UPDATING //

  lang/perl5.8 has been updated to 5.8.8.  You should update everything
  depending on perl.  The easiest way to do that is to use
  perl-after-upgrade script supplied with lang/perl5.8.  Please see
  its manual page for details.

Now, did you actually follow that scenario? If not, I would highly
recommend that you do so. To simplify matters, if you do not already have
it installed, install '/sysutils/portmanager'. After it is installed,
run it with this command:

portmanager lang/perl5.8 -l

That will update perl and create a log file for you in
/var/log/portmanager.log. I would highly recommend that you update your
ports tree prior to actually trying to install any of these ports
however.

Now run the 'perl-after-upgrade' script. Try 'man perl-after-upgrade'
sans quotes to get the information that you will require to properly run
the script. It is really quite simple.

Now run this:

portmanager mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin -l

That should install SpamAssassin for you.

Good luck!


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Re: 6.1-RELEASE-i386 man broken?

[Nick Withers]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:42:53 -0700
"David Christensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > What are the contents of /etc/manpath.config ?
> 
> $ cat /etc/manpath.config | egrep -v '^#'
> MANDATORY_MANPATH   /usr/share/man
> MANDATORY_MANPATH   /usr/share/openssl/man
> OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/local/man
> OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/X11R6/man
> MANPATH_MAP /bin/usr/share/man
> MANPATH_MAP /usr/bin/usr/share/man
> MANPATH_MAP /usr/local/bin  /usr/local/man
> MANPATH_MAP /usr/X11R6/bin  /usr/X11R6/man
> OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/man
> OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/perl/man

Unfortunately (or at least as I understand it), the contents of
"/etc/manpath.config" don't matter if you have the "MANPATH"
environment variable set. Did you happen to set this yourself
(i.e., explicitly)? If not, would you be able to post the
output of the "pkg_info" command, just so those that have a
much better understanding of the environment than me might be
able to narrow down which installation (if any) might be
harrassed for the dramas you're undergoing?

> > You can see the ultimate result by running the 'manpath' command.
> 
> 2006-07-13 08:38:20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
> $ manpath
> (Warning: MANPATH environment variable set)

Just thought I should draw attention to the warning above...

> :/home/dpchrist/local/man
> 
> 
> > See the manpath(1) man page for more information.
> 
> 2006-07-13 08:38:58 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
> $ man manpath
> No manual entry for manpath

Hahaha... I absolutely *love* these kinds of problems... You
can't find the man page because of a problem locating man
pages! :-)

> Any other ideas?
> 
> David
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RE: 6.1-RELEASE-i386 man broken?

[David Christensen]

Matthew Seaman wrote:
> What are the contents of /etc/manpath.config ?

$ cat /etc/manpath.config | egrep -v '^#'
MANDATORY_MANPATH   /usr/share/man
MANDATORY_MANPATH   /usr/share/openssl/man
OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/local/man
OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/X11R6/man
MANPATH_MAP /bin/usr/share/man
MANPATH_MAP /usr/bin/usr/share/man
MANPATH_MAP /usr/local/bin  /usr/local/man
MANPATH_MAP /usr/X11R6/bin  /usr/X11R6/man
OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/man
OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/perl/man


> You can see the ultimate result by running the 'manpath' command.

2006-07-13 08:38:20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ manpath
(Warning: MANPATH environment variable set)
:/home/dpchrist/local/man


> See the manpath(1) man page for more information.

2006-07-13 08:38:58 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ man manpath
No manual entry for manpath


Any other ideas?

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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Nick Withers]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:22:03 -0700 (PDT)
Danial Thom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> --- Head in the sand Jerry mumbled:

Just thought I should metion that this comes across as rude to
me... but maybe that's just me!

> > > --- Francisco Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Marc G. Fournier writes:
> > > > 
> > > > > the problem is that none of the Tier 1
> > > > hardware manufacturer's support 
> > > > > FreeBSD, and a growing number of places
> > (ie.
> > > > Adaptec / Intel) appear to be 
> > > > > dropping support for it as well ...
> > > > 
> > > > But companies like 3Ware and Areca are
> > > > supporting it and from what I see on 
> > > > the lists, people are voting with their
> > money
> > > > in their favor.
> > > 
> > > Mainly because they had drivers that required
> > > little modification from previous versions.
> > Intel
> > > has a few other things on their plate,
> > releasing
> > > more processors to bail out Freebsd's paltry
> > > performance, so give them a break.
> > > 
> > > How long are vendors supposed to wait for the
> > > FreeBSD developers to deliver the performance
> > > they've claimed that they can deliver? I know
> > > several network appliance vendors all stuck
> > on
> > > FreeBSD 4, because 5 and 6 are a step
> > backwards
> > > performance-wise. Now they're saying 7 will
> > be
> > > the one. 
> > > 
> > > FreeBSD is the OS that cried "WOLF", and the
> > > vendors are starting to ignore the calls. The
> > > infrastructure is so poor (in terms of
> > process
> > > switching times and scheduler efficiencies),
> > and
> > > they seem clueless on how to fix it.
> > 
> > Must be a troll.
> > FreeBSD performance is not what holds it back.
> > It competes well with others out there.
> > 
> > jerry
> 
> No it doesn't, Jerry. Even Robert Watson, who
> spends most of his time on performance issues,
> readily admits that 
> 
> - FreeBSD 6 is faster with 1 processor than 2
> - FreeBSD 6 is slower with 1 processor than
> Freebsd 4.x

Would you mind providing a source for that information? I would
not be at all surprised to hear that a FreeBSD 6.x
dual-CPU set-up provides less than twice the performance as that
of a single CPU FreeBSD 6.x set-up, but I will happily eat my
own (mighty tasty) hat if a dual CPU FreeBSD 6.x set-up
performs worse than a single FreeBSD 6.x set-up. That having
been said, I tend to treat Robert Watson's word as gospel, but
I'd like to see it in a form I can trust (honestly, no offense
intended!) first (i.e., please provide a source for your
information :-)).

> The process switch times are 2-4x slower than on
> linux. Thats not 2-4%, thats 200-400% slower. 

Could you provide me with a source here (Not trying to be rude,
but I'd be really interested in reading about this)?

> Simply enabling SMP on a single processor system
> adds 20-25% overhead in freebsd 6.1.

Whilst I have trouble accepting these particular figures, I
don't doubt that there is *some* overhead in dealing with
multiple CPUs, from a kernel perspective.

> Again, readily admitted/accepted by the developers.
> There is no way to recover that in efficiency, at
> least not for a long time.
> 
> What's really frightening is that Dragonfly is
> going to shed the giant lock before Freebsd, and
> there's only one guy working on it.

Please see "http://www.dragonflybsd.org/about/team.cgi";. My
maths ain't great (alright, it's terrible!) but I count more
than one committer. I'm probably just misunderstanding what
you're trying to say here...

> Its prima facie evidence that IQ isn't cumulative.
> 
> DT

Sorry if this appears stand-off-ish - I don't mean it do be! I
do have a bias in favour of what I see as the best OS ever,
though (better that MacOS 7.5.3, even! :-))
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Re: ELF file OS ABI invalid....

[Eric Schuele]

On 07/13/2006 10:24, Boris Samorodov wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:13:34 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:

On 07/13/2006 10:01, Boris Samorodov wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:52:34 +0400 Boris Samorodov wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:59:46 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:

On 07/13/2006 06:50, Boris Samorodov wrote:

(maintainer CCed)

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:26:36 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:


I am trying to get a linux app to use hardware acceleration.  I have a
couple of linux apps (googleearth, NWN) that *do presently work* with
hardware acceleration... but this one in particular (linux-ut) *does
not*.

Which version of linux-ut you are running?

linux-ut-451=  [held] up-to-date with port
Though, I don't think that is in the ports tree yet.  Sean sent it to
me directly, after he made the port.

Oh, I gorgot to say that it is at the ports tree now. May be you give
a port a chance?


I asked him about getting hardware acceleration up and running and
we were not able to figure it out.  Though the message below is more
descriptive now (in the 451 build) than it was when I asked him
previously.

It gives me the following error in its log file:
Critical: Failed loading /usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1:
/usr/local/
lib/libdrm.so.2: ELF file OS ABI invalid

It's really strange that only linux-ut doesn't work.

I agree.

Eric, are you sure that you don't have any non-standard paths, LD_* or
something else at your environment which ends up with searching
/usr/local before /compat/linux for linux-ut?

No, I'm not exactly.  If I modify /usr/local/bin/ut so that it echoes
LD_LIBRARY_PATH right before it launches the game I get the following:
  LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
which looked odd.

Yes. That may be a culprit.

So I tried the following two, and neither worked.
LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
:/usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
/usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
Both end up with exactly the same error message.

I think that you may try to delete all LD_* stuff and restore the
defaults. I.e. something like:
LD_LIBRARY_PATH = ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}

I was wrong here. This won't help. You need to delete all stuff from
LD_LIBRARY_PATH.


or
LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :

Or may be :LD_LIBRARY_PATH =".



So you think LD_LIBRARY_PATH should be empty, even void of the path
that the ut script puts in there?


Yes. All problems we have so far are with non-default settings (which
is not good for linuxolator).


When I try this the results are the same.  Same error message.  :(




I tried to run /usr/compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd on /usr/compat/.../libGL
but it gave no output!?  Is that correct?

Is my linux libGL.so.1 trying to use my FreeBSD libdrm.so.2?  Surely
that's not what is supposed to happen?
I have:
FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE i386 as of a few days ago.
linux-atk-1.9.1 =  up-to-date with port
linux-expat-1.95.8  =  up-to-date with port
linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_5=  up-to-date with port
linux-glib2-2.6.6   =  up-to-date with port
linux-gtk2-2.6.10   =  up-to-date with port
linux-jpeg-6b.34=  up-to-date with port
linux-openmotif-2.2.4_2 =  up-to-date with port
linux-pango-1.8.1   =  up-to-date with port
linux-png-1.2.8_2   =  up-to-date with port
linux-realplayer-10.0.7.785.20060201  =  up-to-date with port
linux-sdl-1.2.10_1  =  up-to-date with port
linux-tiff-3.7.1=  up-to-date with port
linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5 =  up-to-date with port
linux_base-fc-4_6   =  up-to-date with port
linux_dri-6.5   =  up-to-date with port
linuxdoc-1.1_1  =  up-to-date with port
linuxpluginwrapper-20051113_4  =  up-to-date with port
What else can I provide that might be of use?  Any ideas?



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Re: swith old version to the new version

[tethys ocean]

No; in document (http://www.hart.co.jp/spam/sa-clamav-e.html) only insruct
to spamassassin installation but I think perl updating process is hard and
differ from spamasssin installation, since it give some error  in below


Verifying install for p5-GSSAPI>0 in /usr/ports/security/p5-GSSAPI
===>   p5-GSSAPI-0.22 depends on file:
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Test/More.pm - found
===>   p5-GSSAPI-0.22 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 - found
===>  Configuring for p5-GSSAPI-0.22

Welcome to GSSAPI.pm setup!

run "perl Makefile.PL --help" to see further installation options


--
Searching krb5-config command... not found! at ./Makefile.PL line 94.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/p5-GSSAPI.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/p5-Authen-SASL.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/net/p5-Net.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/www/p5-libwww.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin.





On 7/13/06, Gerard Seibert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


tethys ocean wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I have some problem about How I can switch new version of program in my
> system, without clean old version.
>
> I want to install Spamasssasin so it need perl and in my server running
old
> version of perl(perl5) and also I install new version of perl(perl5.8)
but
> my system dont switch new version so I couldnt install  Spamasssassin.
What
> can I do?

Did you read all of the instructions for updating Perl prior to
attempting to install Spamassassin?


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Re: ELF file OS ABI invalid....

[Boris Samorodov]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:13:34 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:
> On 07/13/2006 10:01, Boris Samorodov wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:52:34 +0400 Boris Samorodov wrote:
> >> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:59:46 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:
> >>> On 07/13/2006 06:50, Boris Samorodov wrote:
>  (maintainer CCed)
> 
>  On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:26:36 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to get a linux app to use hardware acceleration.  I have a
> > couple of linux apps (googleearth, NWN) that *do presently work* with
> > hardware acceleration... but this one in particular (linux-ut) *does
> > not*.
>  Which version of linux-ut you are running?
> >
> >>> linux-ut-451=  [held] up-to-date with port
> >
> >>> Though, I don't think that is in the ports tree yet.  Sean sent it to
> >>> me directly, after he made the port.
> >
> > Oh, I gorgot to say that it is at the ports tree now. May be you give
> > a port a chance?
> >
> >>> I asked him about getting hardware acceleration up and running and
> >>> we were not able to figure it out.  Though the message below is more
> >>> descriptive now (in the 451 build) than it was when I asked him
> >>> previously.
> >
> > It gives me the following error in its log file:
> > Critical: Failed loading /usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1:
> > /usr/local/
> > lib/libdrm.so.2: ELF file OS ABI invalid
>  It's really strange that only linux-ut doesn't work.
> >
> >>> I agree.
> >
>  Eric, are you sure that you don't have any non-standard paths, LD_* or
>  something else at your environment which ends up with searching
>  /usr/local before /compat/linux for linux-ut?
> >
> >>> No, I'm not exactly.  If I modify /usr/local/bin/ut so that it echoes
> >>> LD_LIBRARY_PATH right before it launches the game I get the following:
> >
> >>>   LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
> >
> >>> which looked odd.
> >
> >> Yes. That may be a culprit.
> >
> >>> So I tried the following two, and neither worked.
> >>> LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
> >>> :/usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
> >>> LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
> >>> /usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
> >
> >>> Both end up with exactly the same error message.
> >
> >> I think that you may try to delete all LD_* stuff and restore the
> >> defaults. I.e. something like:
> >
> >> LD_LIBRARY_PATH = ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}
> >
> > I was wrong here. This won't help. You need to delete all stuff from
> > LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
> >
> >> or
> >> LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :
> >
> > Or may be :LD_LIBRARY_PATH =".

> So you think LD_LIBRARY_PATH should be empty, even void of the path
> that the ut script puts in there?

Yes. All problems we have so far are with non-default settings (which
is not good for linuxolator).

> >>> I tried to run /usr/compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd on /usr/compat/.../libGL
> >>> but it gave no output!?  Is that correct?
> >
> > Is my linux libGL.so.1 trying to use my FreeBSD libdrm.so.2?  Surely
> > that's not what is supposed to happen?
> > I have:
> > FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE i386 as of a few days ago.
> > linux-atk-1.9.1 =  up-to-date with port
> > linux-expat-1.95.8  =  up-to-date with port
> > linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_5=  up-to-date with port
> > linux-glib2-2.6.6   =  up-to-date with port
> > linux-gtk2-2.6.10   =  up-to-date with port
> > linux-jpeg-6b.34=  up-to-date with port
> > linux-openmotif-2.2.4_2 =  up-to-date with port
> > linux-pango-1.8.1   =  up-to-date with port
> > linux-png-1.2.8_2   =  up-to-date with port
> > linux-realplayer-10.0.7.785.20060201  =  up-to-date with port
> > linux-sdl-1.2.10_1  =  up-to-date with port
> > linux-tiff-3.7.1=  up-to-date with port
> > linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5 =  up-to-date with port
> > linux_base-fc-4_6   =  up-to-date with port
> > linux_dri-6.5   =  up-to-date with port
> > linuxdoc-1.1_1  =  up-to-date with port
> > linuxpluginwrapper-20051113_4  =  up-to-date with port
> > What else can I provide that might be of use?  Any ideas?


WBR
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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Danial Thom]

--- Head in the sand Jerry mumbled:

> > --- Francisco Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Marc G. Fournier writes:
> > > 
> > > > the problem is that none of the Tier 1
> > > hardware manufacturer's support 
> > > > FreeBSD, and a growing number of places
> (ie.
> > > Adaptec / Intel) appear to be 
> > > > dropping support for it as well ...
> > > 
> > > But companies like 3Ware and Areca are
> > > supporting it and from what I see on 
> > > the lists, people are voting with their
> money
> > > in their favor.
> > 
> > Mainly because they had drivers that required
> > little modification from previous versions.
> Intel
> > has a few other things on their plate,
> releasing
> > more processors to bail out Freebsd's paltry
> > performance, so give them a break.
> > 
> > How long are vendors supposed to wait for the
> > FreeBSD developers to deliver the performance
> > they've claimed that they can deliver? I know
> > several network appliance vendors all stuck
> on
> > FreeBSD 4, because 5 and 6 are a step
> backwards
> > performance-wise. Now they're saying 7 will
> be
> > the one. 
> > 
> > FreeBSD is the OS that cried "WOLF", and the
> > vendors are starting to ignore the calls. The
> > infrastructure is so poor (in terms of
> process
> > switching times and scheduler efficiencies),
> and
> > they seem clueless on how to fix it.
> 
> Must be a troll.
> FreeBSD performance is not what holds it back.
> It competes well with others out there.
> 
> jerry

No it doesn't, Jerry. Even Robert Watson, who
spends most of his time on performance issues,
readily admits that 

- FreeBSD 6 is faster with 1 processor than 2
- FreeBSD 6 is slower with 1 processor than
Freebsd 4.x

The process switch times are 2-4x slower than on
linux. Thats not 2-4%, thats 200-400% slower. 

Simply enabling SMP on a single processor system
adds 20-25% overhead in freebsd 6.1. Again,
readily admitted/accepted by the developers.
There is no way to recover that in efficiency, at
least not for a long time.

What's really frightening is that Dragonfly is
going to shed the giant lock before Freebsd, and
there's only one guy working on it. Its prima
facie evidence that IQ isn't cumulative.

DT

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Re: CUPS, one more try

[E. J. Cerejo]

I had just fixed it!

It looks like it's printing fine now, the only thing I had not done was to 
uninstall everything that had to do with printing, so I uninstalled apsfilter, 
CUPS, LPRng and hplip then reinstalled cups and hplip only and it worked.  It 
looks like LPRng and apsfilter conflicts with cups or I think it overwrites bin 
files like lp, lpr etc, I know that LPRng puts lp, lpr on the same directory as 
cups, pretty sure that caused the problem.

"Donald J. O'Neill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: On Thursday 13 July 2006 
08:09, E. J. Cerejo wrote:
>
> Don
>
>
> I just did what you told me but I still get the same message when run
> lpstat, and still can't print.
>
>
> EJC
> www.only7bucks.com
>
> -

Take a look at:
 http://home.nyc.rr.com/computertaijutsu/cups.html
Go to the section on FreeBSD and NetBSD, this should help you out.

There are a number of suggestions here that I didn't give, sorry, I wanted to 
give you some help, not hand it to you on a platter.

Do a 'ps ax |grep cup' and make sure that you see 'cupsd'. If you don't, you 
will need to do a 'cupsd', recheck that you have cupsd running.

Go to http://localhost:631/admin (user would probably be root and password 
would be the root password. Configure printers from there.

Don






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Re: ELF file OS ABI invalid....

[Eric Schuele]

On 07/13/2006 10:01, Boris Samorodov wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:52:34 +0400 Boris Samorodov wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:59:46 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:

On 07/13/2006 06:50, Boris Samorodov wrote:

(maintainer CCed)

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:26:36 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:


I am trying to get a linux app to use hardware acceleration.  I have a
couple of linux apps (googleearth, NWN) that *do presently work* with
hardware acceleration... but this one in particular (linux-ut) *does
not*.

Which version of linux-ut you are running?



linux-ut-451=  [held] up-to-date with port



Though, I don't think that is in the ports tree yet.  Sean sent it to
me directly, after he made the port.


Oh, I gorgot to say that it is at the ports tree now. May be you give
a port a chance?


I asked him about getting hardware acceleration up and running and
we were not able to figure it out.  Though the message below is more
descriptive now (in the 451 build) than it was when I asked him
previously.



It gives me the following error in its log file:
Critical: Failed loading /usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1:
/usr/local/
lib/libdrm.so.2: ELF file OS ABI invalid

It's really strange that only linux-ut doesn't work.



I agree.



Eric, are you sure that you don't have any non-standard paths, LD_* or
something else at your environment which ends up with searching
/usr/local before /compat/linux for linux-ut?



No, I'm not exactly.  If I modify /usr/local/bin/ut so that it echoes
LD_LIBRARY_PATH right before it launches the game I get the following:



  LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System



which looked odd.



Yes. That may be a culprit.



So I tried the following two, and neither worked.
LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
:/usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
/usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System



Both end up with exactly the same error message.



I think that you may try to delete all LD_* stuff and restore the
defaults. I.e. something like:



LD_LIBRARY_PATH = ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}


I was wrong here. This won't help. You need to delete all stuff from 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH.



or
LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :


Or may be :LD_LIBRARY_PATH =".


So you think LD_LIBRARY_PATH should be empty, even void of the path that 
the ut script puts in there?





I tried to run /usr/compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd on /usr/compat/.../libGL
but it gave no output!?  Is that correct?



Is my linux libGL.so.1 trying to use my FreeBSD libdrm.so.2?  Surely
that's not what is supposed to happen?
I have:
FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE i386 as of a few days ago.
linux-atk-1.9.1 =  up-to-date with port
linux-expat-1.95.8  =  up-to-date with port
linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_5=  up-to-date with port
linux-glib2-2.6.6   =  up-to-date with port
linux-gtk2-2.6.10   =  up-to-date with port
linux-jpeg-6b.34=  up-to-date with port
linux-openmotif-2.2.4_2 =  up-to-date with port
linux-pango-1.8.1   =  up-to-date with port
linux-png-1.2.8_2   =  up-to-date with port
linux-realplayer-10.0.7.785.20060201  =  up-to-date with port
linux-sdl-1.2.10_1  =  up-to-date with port
linux-tiff-3.7.1=  up-to-date with port
linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5 =  up-to-date with port
linux_base-fc-4_6   =  up-to-date with port
linux_dri-6.5   =  up-to-date with port
linuxdoc-1.1_1  =  up-to-date with port
linuxpluginwrapper-20051113_4  =  up-to-date with port
What else can I provide that might be of use?  Any ideas?



WBR



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Re: getting rid of apache passphrase

[jan gestre]

On 7/13/06, Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>
> hello people,
>
> just want to ask if getting rid of the apache passphrase poses a
security
> threat, i don't want the company i worked for calling me up everytime
they
> cant access the webserver because the server is asking for the
passphrase
> everytime the box restarts du to power failure.

Depends on how good your control of access to the server is.
In my case for example, I control physical access to the machine.
That could be, and has been a problem when I was away and power
went out, to get things back up, so I got rid of the passphrase.
Now, as long as the fsck-s clear at boot time, the server makes
it all the way back up without intervention.

But, if you have a lot of people running around, even if ignorant,
then you might want to think again about eliminating it.

It is less likely to be a concern for remote access, but could come
up, especially if someone gets root to your server.   Of course, then
all bets are off anyway.

yeah there are lots of ignorant people here in our organization :D, that
is why all my nix servers are headless since we don't have room to secure
them physically. thanks for your all your opinions :)


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Re: ELF file OS ABI invalid....

[Eric Schuele]

On 07/13/2006 09:52, Boris Samorodov wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:59:46 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:

On 07/13/2006 06:50, Boris Samorodov wrote:

(maintainer CCed)

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:26:36 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:


I am trying to get a linux app to use hardware acceleration.  I have a
couple of linux apps (googleearth, NWN) that *do presently work* with
hardware acceleration... but this one in particular (linux-ut) *does
not*.

Which version of linux-ut you are running?



linux-ut-451=  [held] up-to-date with port



Though, I don't think that is in the ports tree yet.  Sean sent it to
me directly, after he made the port.



I asked him about getting hardware acceleration up and running and
we were not able to figure it out.  Though the message below is more
descriptive now (in the 451 build) than it was when I asked him
previously.



It gives me the following error in its log file:
Critical: Failed loading /usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1:
/usr/local/
lib/libdrm.so.2: ELF file OS ABI invalid

It's really strange that only linux-ut doesn't work.



I agree.



Eric, are you sure that you don't have any non-standard paths, LD_* or
something else at your environment which ends up with searching
/usr/local before /compat/linux for linux-ut?



No, I'm not exactly.  If I modify /usr/local/bin/ut so that it echoes
LD_LIBRARY_PATH right before it launches the game I get the following:



  LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System



which looked odd.


Yes. That may be a culprit.


So I tried the following two, and neither worked.
LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
:/usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
/usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System



Both end up with exactly the same error message.


I think that you may try to delete all LD_* stuff and restore the
defaults. I.e. something like:

LD_LIBRARY_PATH = ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}


in /usr/local/bin/ut the original code relevant to LD_LIBRARY_PATH looks 
like this:


  LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}:$PWD
  export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
  echo "LD_LIBRARY_PATH = $LD_LIBRARY_PATH"

and that provides me:
  LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System

I seem to have no LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable by default.  A 
'setenv' in a shell shows that LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not defined at all.



or
LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :


I tried to run /usr/compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd on /usr/compat/.../libGL
but it gave no output!?  Is that correct?



Is my linux libGL.so.1 trying to use my FreeBSD libdrm.so.2?  Surely
that's not what is supposed to happen?
I have:
FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE i386 as of a few days ago.
linux-atk-1.9.1 =  up-to-date with port
linux-expat-1.95.8  =  up-to-date with port
linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_5=  up-to-date with port
linux-glib2-2.6.6   =  up-to-date with port
linux-gtk2-2.6.10   =  up-to-date with port
linux-jpeg-6b.34=  up-to-date with port
linux-openmotif-2.2.4_2 =  up-to-date with port
linux-pango-1.8.1   =  up-to-date with port
linux-png-1.2.8_2   =  up-to-date with port
linux-realplayer-10.0.7.785.20060201  =  up-to-date with port
linux-sdl-1.2.10_1  =  up-to-date with port
linux-tiff-3.7.1=  up-to-date with port
linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5 =  up-to-date with port
linux_base-fc-4_6   =  up-to-date with port
linux_dri-6.5   =  up-to-date with port
linuxdoc-1.1_1  =  up-to-date with port
linuxpluginwrapper-20051113_4  =  up-to-date with port
What else can I provide that might be of use?  Any ideas?



WBR



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supported webcam

[Paulo Roberto]

Hi,

Does anyone know if there is a webcam model that is supported by FBSD
that is still being sold?

Thanks

PAulo

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Re: getting rid of apache passphrase

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> hello people,
> 
> just want to ask if getting rid of the apache passphrase poses a security
> threat, i don't want the company i worked for calling me up everytime they
> cant access the webserver because the server is asking for the passphrase
> everytime the box restarts du to power failure.

Depends on how good your control of access to the server is.
In my case for example, I control physical access to the machine.
That could be, and has been a problem when I was away and power 
went out, to get things back up, so I got rid of the passphrase.
Now, as long as the fsck-s clear at boot time, the server makes
it all the way back up without intervention.

But, if you have a lot of people running around, even if ignorant,
then you might want to think again about eliminating it.

It is less likely to be a concern for remote access, but could come
up, especially if someone gets root to your server.   Of course, then
all bets are off anyway.

jerry

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Re: ELF file OS ABI invalid....

[Boris Samorodov]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:52:34 +0400 Boris Samorodov wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:59:46 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:
> > On 07/13/2006 06:50, Boris Samorodov wrote:
> > > (maintainer CCed)
> > >
> > > On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:26:36 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:
> > >
> > >> I am trying to get a linux app to use hardware acceleration.  I have a
> > >> couple of linux apps (googleearth, NWN) that *do presently work* with
> > >> hardware acceleration... but this one in particular (linux-ut) *does
> > >> not*.
> > >
> > > Which version of linux-ut you are running?

> > linux-ut-451=  [held] up-to-date with port

> > Though, I don't think that is in the ports tree yet.  Sean sent it to
> > me directly, after he made the port.

Oh, I gorgot to say that it is at the ports tree now. May be you give
a port a chance?

> > I asked him about getting hardware acceleration up and running and
> > we were not able to figure it out.  Though the message below is more
> > descriptive now (in the 451 build) than it was when I asked him
> > previously.

> > >
> > >> It gives me the following error in its log file:
> > >> Critical: Failed loading /usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1:
> > >> /usr/local/
> > >> lib/libdrm.so.2: ELF file OS ABI invalid
> > >
> > > It's really strange that only linux-ut doesn't work.

> > I agree.

> > >
> > > Eric, are you sure that you don't have any non-standard paths, LD_* or
> > > something else at your environment which ends up with searching
> > > /usr/local before /compat/linux for linux-ut?

> > No, I'm not exactly.  If I modify /usr/local/bin/ut so that it echoes
> > LD_LIBRARY_PATH right before it launches the game I get the following:

> >   LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System

> > which looked odd.

> Yes. That may be a culprit.

> > So I tried the following two, and neither worked.
> > LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
> > :/usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
> > LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
> > /usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System

> > Both end up with exactly the same error message.

> I think that you may try to delete all LD_* stuff and restore the
> defaults. I.e. something like:

> LD_LIBRARY_PATH = ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}

I was wrong here. This won't help. You need to delete all stuff from 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

> or
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :

Or may be :LD_LIBRARY_PATH =".

> > I tried to run /usr/compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd on /usr/compat/.../libGL
> > but it gave no output!?  Is that correct?

> > >
> > >> Is my linux libGL.so.1 trying to use my FreeBSD libdrm.so.2?  Surely
> > >> that's not what is supposed to happen?
> > >
> > >> I have:
> > >> FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE i386 as of a few days ago.
> > >> linux-atk-1.9.1 =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux-expat-1.95.8  =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_5=  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux-glib2-2.6.6   =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux-gtk2-2.6.10   =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux-jpeg-6b.34=  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux-openmotif-2.2.4_2 =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux-pango-1.8.1   =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux-png-1.2.8_2   =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux-realplayer-10.0.7.785.20060201  =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux-sdl-1.2.10_1  =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux-tiff-3.7.1=  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5 =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux_base-fc-4_6   =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linux_dri-6.5   =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linuxdoc-1.1_1  =  up-to-date with port
> > >> linuxpluginwrapper-20051113_4  =  up-to-date with port
> > >
> > >> What else can I provide that might be of use?  Any ideas?


WBR
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Re: IMAP server alternatives

[jan gestre]

On 7/11/06, Nagy László <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



  Hello,

I tried cyrus-imapd, but I'm unsatisfied. Their website was down for a
day. Now it is up, but the pages were not updated after 2003. They had a
majordomo list but it is not functioning. I found another mailing list
but nobody answers. I do not see answer to my question in its
documentation.

Are there any alternative IMAP servers that have good support (e.g.
working mailing list, up-to-date documentation), and can share IMAP
folders between users?

These are the ones I see:

bincimap -- only maildir, cannot share folders
courier -- uses the maildir format, but I'm not sure about sharing
cyrus-imapd -- I could not find support for this
dbmail-mysql -- AFAIK no folder sharing
dkimap -- ???
dovecot -- early stages of development, can I trust in this?
imap-uw -- only maildir, cannot share folders
py24-twistedMail -- Looks like this is only a collection of modules

I could use py24-twistedMail to create shared folders, but this requires
re-inventing the weel. What do you recommend?

i'm using dovecot, it one great imap/pop server, built with security in
mind.


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Re: getting rid of apache passphrase

[Chuck Swiger]

jan gestre wrote:
[ ... ]

yes, i'm talking about apache with ssl/tls encryption, is that
passphrase going to be a security issue in the internet or locally
at the machine level? if it's machine level, i have no problem
getting rid of it coz nobody here knows anything about unix/bsd.


It's only at the local machine level.  However, you should be aware that 
people outside your organization do know things about Unix/BSD :-), so be sure 
to keep your servers up-to-date with regard to security patches.


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Re: ELF file OS ABI invalid....

[Boris Samorodov]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:59:46 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:
> On 07/13/2006 06:50, Boris Samorodov wrote:
> > (maintainer CCed)
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:26:36 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:
> >
> >> I am trying to get a linux app to use hardware acceleration.  I have a
> >> couple of linux apps (googleearth, NWN) that *do presently work* with
> >> hardware acceleration... but this one in particular (linux-ut) *does
> >> not*.
> >
> > Which version of linux-ut you are running?

> linux-ut-451=  [held] up-to-date with port

> Though, I don't think that is in the ports tree yet.  Sean sent it to
> me directly, after he made the port.

> I asked him about getting hardware acceleration up and running and
> we were not able to figure it out.  Though the message below is more
> descriptive now (in the 451 build) than it was when I asked him
> previously.

> >
> >> It gives me the following error in its log file:
> >> Critical: Failed loading /usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1:
> >> /usr/local/
> >> lib/libdrm.so.2: ELF file OS ABI invalid
> >
> > It's really strange that only linux-ut doesn't work.

> I agree.

> >
> > Eric, are you sure that you don't have any non-standard paths, LD_* or
> > something else at your environment which ends up with searching
> > /usr/local before /compat/linux for linux-ut?

> No, I'm not exactly.  If I modify /usr/local/bin/ut so that it echoes
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH right before it launches the game I get the following:

>   LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System

> which looked odd.

Yes. That may be a culprit.

> So I tried the following two, and neither worked.
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
> :/usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH =
> /usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System

> Both end up with exactly the same error message.

I think that you may try to delete all LD_* stuff and restore the
defaults. I.e. something like:

LD_LIBRARY_PATH = ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}
or
LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :

> I tried to run /usr/compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd on /usr/compat/.../libGL
> but it gave no output!?  Is that correct?

> >
> >> Is my linux libGL.so.1 trying to use my FreeBSD libdrm.so.2?  Surely
> >> that's not what is supposed to happen?
> >
> >> I have:
> >> FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE i386 as of a few days ago.
> >> linux-atk-1.9.1 =  up-to-date with port
> >> linux-expat-1.95.8  =  up-to-date with port
> >> linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_5=  up-to-date with port
> >> linux-glib2-2.6.6   =  up-to-date with port
> >> linux-gtk2-2.6.10   =  up-to-date with port
> >> linux-jpeg-6b.34=  up-to-date with port
> >> linux-openmotif-2.2.4_2 =  up-to-date with port
> >> linux-pango-1.8.1   =  up-to-date with port
> >> linux-png-1.2.8_2   =  up-to-date with port
> >> linux-realplayer-10.0.7.785.20060201  =  up-to-date with port
> >> linux-sdl-1.2.10_1  =  up-to-date with port
> >> linux-tiff-3.7.1=  up-to-date with port
> >> linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5 =  up-to-date with port
> >> linux_base-fc-4_6   =  up-to-date with port
> >> linux_dri-6.5   =  up-to-date with port
> >> linuxdoc-1.1_1  =  up-to-date with port
> >> linuxpluginwrapper-20051113_4  =  up-to-date with port
> >
> >> What else can I provide that might be of use?  Any ideas?


WBR
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Re: *bsd firewall appliance?

[Danial Thom]

--- DW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Danial Thom wrote:
> > You clowns with your diskless servers just
> crack
> > me up. Everyone brags about their years of
> uptime
> > on their servers, yet you just can't put up a
> > firewall or router without a disk. What, are
> you
> > still using mfm drives or something? 
> >   
> My motives have nothing to do with reliability;
> I am not philosophically 
> opposed to disks or moving parts. I'm just
> reaching the point more often 
> lately where I'm looking at:
> 
> 1) Form factor (there are organizations where
> real estate holds almost 
> as much premium as department funds).
> 
> 2) Heat output (I just had 2 more 2-ton
> mini-split A.C. units installed 
> -- that'll hold me for a while, but at the rate
> we're expanding, I don't 
> want to be faced with a situation again where
> I'm looking at a box doing 
> a small job like running BIND  spitting out
> 1,000 BTU's/hour)
> 
> 3) Power consumption (why draw more than
> necessary?)
> 
> It seems that more and more my bottlenecks have
> nothing to do with 
> performance or reliability, but rather physical
> facility management. It 
> all adds up.

Interesting that you have all of these practical
issues, yet you want to do something totally
impractical, such as replace your pix with a
freebsd box.

Why not use one of your existing freebsd servers
as a firewall? then you have zero additional real
estate or power consumption. 

DT

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Re: getting rid of apache passphrase

[jan gestre]

On 7/13/06, Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


jan gestre wrote:
> just want to ask if getting rid of the apache passphrase poses a
security
> threat, i don't want the company i worked for calling me up everytime
they
> cant access the webserver because the server is asking for the
passphrase
> everytime the box restarts du to power failure.

Presumably you're talking about an Apache server using SSL where the SSL
key
requires a password?  Requiring a human to enter the password is more
secure,
but if you want the system to reboot without manual intervention, you'll
have
to remove the password or put it into a script...

yes, i'm talking about apache with ssl/tls encryption, is that passphrase
going to be a security issue in the internet or locally at the machine
level? if it's machine level, i have no problem getting rid of it coz nobody
here knows anything about unix/bsd.


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Re: CUPS, one more try

[Donald J. O'Neill]

On Thursday 13 July 2006 08:09, E. J. Cerejo wrote:
>
> Don
>
>
> I just did what you told me but I still get the same message when run
> lpstat, and still can't print.
>
>
> EJC
> www.only7bucks.com
>
> -

Take a look at:
http://home.nyc.rr.com/computertaijutsu/cups.html
Go to the section on FreeBSD and NetBSD, this should help you out.

There are a number of suggestions here that I didn't give, sorry, I wanted to 
give you some help, not hand it to you on a platter.

Do a 'ps ax |grep cup' and make sure that you see 'cupsd'. If you don't, you 
will need to do a 'cupsd', recheck that you have cupsd running.

Go to http://localhost:631/admin (user would probably be root and password 
would be the root password. Configure printers from there.

Don



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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Jerry McAllister]

> --- Francisco Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Marc G. Fournier writes:
> > 
> > > the problem is that none of the Tier 1
> > hardware manufacturer's support 
> > > FreeBSD, and a growing number of places (ie.
> > Adaptec / Intel) appear to be 
> > > dropping support for it as well ...
> > 
> > But companies like 3Ware and Areca are
> > supporting it and from what I see on 
> > the lists, people are voting with their money
> > in their favor.
> 
> Mainly because they had drivers that required
> little modification from previous versions. Intel
> has a few other things on their plate, releasing
> more processors to bail out Freebsd's paltry
> performance, so give them a break.
> 
> How long are vendors supposed to wait for the
> FreeBSD developers to deliver the performance
> they've claimed that they can deliver? I know
> several network appliance vendors all stuck on
> FreeBSD 4, because 5 and 6 are a step backwards
> performance-wise. Now they're saying 7 will be
> the one. 
> 
> FreeBSD is the OS that cried "WOLF", and the
> vendors are starting to ignore the calls. The
> infrastructure is so poor (in terms of process
> switching times and scheduler efficiencies), and
> they seem clueless on how to fix it.

Must be a troll.
FreeBSD performance is not what holds it back.
It competes well with others out there.

jerry

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Re: Boot hangs at "/bin/sh?", can't see USB keyboard

[Alex Zbyslaw]

Bill Moran wrote:


In response to Chris Shenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 


If not, any suggestions on how to get it to boot to a point where I
could fix the /etc/fstab?  Only thing I can think of is burn a
bootable FreeBSD disk, boot from it, then mount the hard drive and fix
fstab from that.  
   



That might be faster ... get a FreeSBIE disk.

 

The FreeBSD installation CD will also do just fine with fixit shell.  
Any CD from 5.X onwards should mount UFS2 partitions even if you are 
running some later OS version.  Given your USB trouble, a 5.X CD might 
even be preferred since it has the boot option you want.


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Re: swith old version to the new version

[Gerard Seibert]

tethys ocean wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> I have some problem about How I can switch new version of program in my
> system, without clean old version.
> 
> I want to install Spamasssasin so it need perl and in my server running old
> version of perl(perl5) and also I install new version of perl(perl5.8) but
> my system dont switch new version so I couldnt install  Spamasssassin. What
> can I do?

Did you read all of the instructions for updating Perl prior to
attempting to install Spamassassin?


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Re: getting rid of apache passphrase

[Chuck Swiger]

jan gestre wrote:

just want to ask if getting rid of the apache passphrase poses a security
threat, i don't want the company i worked for calling me up everytime they
cant access the webserver because the server is asking for the passphrase
everytime the box restarts du to power failure.


Presumably you're talking about an Apache server using SSL where the SSL key 
requires a password?  Requiring a human to enter the password is more secure, 
but if you want the system to reboot without manual intervention, you'll have 
to remove the password or put it into a script...


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getting rid of apache passphrase

[jan gestre]

hello people,

just want to ask if getting rid of the apache passphrase poses a security
threat, i don't want the company i worked for calling me up everytime they
cant access the webserver because the server is asking for the passphrase
everytime the box restarts du to power failure.

TIA
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Re: CDROM

[Ivan Levchenko]

Hello,

Try just mount -t cd9660  /dev/acd0 /cdrom
(without the a)

On 7/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On  Mon, Jul 10, 2006 07:48 PM, Bill Moran  wrote:
>"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>  I can read from my  CDROM  under  Windows 98 , but when I try
>> to read from it under  FreeBSD 4.3  I get told that the device is
>> busy.  My presumption is that either part of the device driver is
>> corrupted, or there is some status data kept long time that is never
>> reset but it tells the system that the device is busy.

> You can start by describing _exactly_ what you are doing and the
> _exact_ results.

Here it is (first I show you what was mounted, then the  mount  command):
0-# mount
/dev/ad0s4a on / (ufs, local)
/dev/ad0s4g on /mp1 (ufs, local)
/dev/ad0s4h on /mp2 (ufs, local)
/dev/ad0s4e on /usr (ufs, local)
/dev/ad0s4f on /var (ufs, local)
procfs on /proc (procfs, local)
/dev/fd0 on /a (msdos, local)
0-# mount -t cd9660  /dev/acd0a  /cdrom
cd9660: /dev/acd0a: Device busy


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Re: ELF file OS ABI invalid....

[Eric Schuele]

On 07/13/2006 06:50, Boris Samorodov wrote:

(maintainer CCed)

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:26:36 -0500 Eric Schuele wrote:


I am trying to get a linux app to use hardware acceleration.  I have a
couple of linux apps (googleearth, NWN) that *do presently work* with
hardware acceleration... but this one in particular (linux-ut) *does
not*.


Which version of linux-ut you are running?


linux-ut-451=  [held] up-to-date with port

Though, I don't think that is in the ports tree yet.  Sean sent it to me 
directly, after he made the port.


I asked him about getting hardware acceleration up and running and 
we were not able to figure it out.  Though the message below is more 
descriptive now (in the 451 build) than it was when I asked him previously.





It gives me the following error in its log file:
Critical: Failed loading /usr/compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1:
/usr/local/
lib/libdrm.so.2: ELF file OS ABI invalid


It's really strange that only linux-ut doesn't work.


I agree.



Eric, are you sure that you don't have any non-standard paths, LD_* or
something else at your environment which ends up with searching
/usr/local before /compat/linux for linux-ut?


No, I'm not exactly.  If I modify /usr/local/bin/ut so that it echoes 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH right before it launches the game I get the following:


  LD_LIBRARY_PATH = :/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System

which looked odd.

So I tried the following two, and neither worked.
LD_LIBRARY_PATH = 
:/usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System
LD_LIBRARY_PATH = 
/usr/compat/linux:/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib:/usr/local/share/linux-ut/System


Both end up with exactly the same error message.

I tried to run /usr/compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd on /usr/compat/.../libGL 
but it gave no output!?  Is that correct?





Is my linux libGL.so.1 trying to use my FreeBSD libdrm.so.2?  Surely
that's not what is supposed to happen?



I have:
FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE i386 as of a few days ago.
linux-atk-1.9.1 =  up-to-date with port
linux-expat-1.95.8  =  up-to-date with port
linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_5=  up-to-date with port
linux-glib2-2.6.6   =  up-to-date with port
linux-gtk2-2.6.10   =  up-to-date with port
linux-jpeg-6b.34=  up-to-date with port
linux-openmotif-2.2.4_2 =  up-to-date with port
linux-pango-1.8.1   =  up-to-date with port
linux-png-1.2.8_2   =  up-to-date with port
linux-realplayer-10.0.7.785.20060201  =  up-to-date with port
linux-sdl-1.2.10_1  =  up-to-date with port
linux-tiff-3.7.1=  up-to-date with port
linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5 =  up-to-date with port
linux_base-fc-4_6   =  up-to-date with port
linux_dri-6.5   =  up-to-date with port
linuxdoc-1.1_1  =  up-to-date with port
linuxpluginwrapper-20051113_4  =  up-to-date with port



What else can I provide that might be of use?  Any ideas?



WBR




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squid Error: Can not stop process id 455

[dharam paul]

On Free BSD 6.1, after reconfiguring squid is not able
to stop so that it can restart after I pas the
following command:

/usr/local/etc/rc.d/squid.sh restart

I have enable squid in /etc/rc.conf so that it should
start whenever the system is started.

Any body has a solutin please reply.

Thanks & Regards



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Re: *bsd firewall appliance?

[DW]

Danial Thom wrote:

You clowns with your diskless servers just crack
me up. Everyone brags about their years of uptime
on their servers, yet you just can't put up a
firewall or router without a disk. What, are you
still using mfm drives or something? 
  
My motives have nothing to do with reliability; I am not philosophically 
opposed to disks or moving parts. I'm just reaching the point more often 
lately where I'm looking at:


1) Form factor (there are organizations where real estate holds almost 
as much premium as department funds).


2) Heat output (I just had 2 more 2-ton mini-split A.C. units installed 
-- that'll hold me for a while, but at the rate we're expanding, I don't 
want to be faced with a situation again where I'm looking at a box doing 
a small job like running BIND  spitting out 1,000 BTU's/hour)


3) Power consumption (why draw more than necessary?)

It seems that more and more my bottlenecks have nothing to do with 
performance or reliability, but rather physical facility management. It 
all adds up.



--- DW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Philippe Lang wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  

Hi all,

Just doing some early morning brainstorming,


and my crazy thought of

the day is this: 


My life would be so much easier if I could


just get rid of my


stupid PIX firewalls, and replace them what


I know and love:


FreeBSD. It's not that the PIX's have been


causing me


problems or anything like that, it's just


that I believe in


streamlining whenever possible, and since


we've already


exterminated Microsoft in my server room for


at least 3


years, the only thing left that's not


running FreeBSD are my


appliances (firewalls and switches) and 2


leftover legacy


servers still running Redhat that haven't


been worth the


effort to migrate to FreeBSD. I'm a one-man


shop, and I can


survive using the PIX IOS when I have to,


but would just as


soon use BSD if I could. Questions:

1) If I did this, I would probably only do


it if I could


figure out how to rack up some diskless


servers to my 2-post


communications rack. Any thoughts on


hardware candidates, etc.?


2) If I did this, maybe it would be wiser to


go with OpenBSD


instead, since it is known for security?

3) Any good tutorials on setting up a


diskless servers for

Free/OpenBSD? 


4) Any other considerations?

5) Am I just being stupid and should I just


keep my PIX's


going? I know, I know, if it ain't broke,


don't fix it.




Hi,

Maybe a good start for you would be to have a
  

look at http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/.

  
  

WOW!! This is exactly what I was looking
for and more! Can't wait to 
start trying it out! Thanks!





Cheers,

---
Philippe Lang
Attik System

  
  

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swith old version to the new version

[tethys ocean]

Hi All

I have some problem about How I can switch new version of program in my
system, without clean old version.

I want to install Spamasssasin so it need perl and in my server running old
version of perl(perl5) and also I install new version of perl(perl5.8) but
my system dont switch new version so I couldnt install  Spamasssassin. What
can I do?
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Re: CUPS, one more try

[E. J. Cerejo]

"Donald J. O'Neill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: On Wednesday 12 July 2006 
22:42, E. J. Cerejo wrote:
> I've been trying to configure my HP Officejet 4315 using CUPS 1.2.0 but so
> far all I can do is configure a printer using the web interface and I'm
> able to print a test page but when I try to print any other document I'm
> unable to print, I get that quick popup window saying that cups is starting
> but nothing else, but today I notice something else whenever I run lpstat
> command I get this:
>
> "Printer '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' - cannot open connection - No such file or
> directory Make sure the remote host supports the LPD protocol
> Printer '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' - cannot open connection - No such file or
> directory Make sure the remote host supports the LPD protocol"
>
> pr-b is the name of my printer, through some googling I found out it maybe
> looking for my printer, do I need to edit some other file to tell lpd where
> this printer is?
>
>
>
> EJC
> www.only7bucks.com
>
> -


Did you happen to check /usr/bin/ to see if lp, lpq, lpr, and lprm are there? 
If they are, you need to either remove them or rename them. Cups installs 
these in /usr/local/bin and since it's later in the path, they're never used.

Don


I just did what you told me but I still get the same message when run lpstat, 
and still can't print.


EJC
www.only7bucks.com

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Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

[Danial Thom]

--- Francisco Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Marc G. Fournier writes:
> 
> > the problem is that none of the Tier 1
> hardware manufacturer's support 
> > FreeBSD, and a growing number of places (ie.
> Adaptec / Intel) appear to be 
> > dropping support for it as well ...
> 
> But companies like 3Ware and Areca are
> supporting it and from what I see on 
> the lists, people are voting with their money
> in their favor.

Mainly because they had drivers that required
little modification from previous versions. Intel
has a few other things on their plate, releasing
more processors to bail out Freebsd's paltry
performance, so give them a break.

How long are vendors supposed to wait for the
FreeBSD developers to deliver the performance
they've claimed that they can deliver? I know
several network appliance vendors all stuck on
FreeBSD 4, because 5 and 6 are a step backwards
performance-wise. Now they're saying 7 will be
the one. 

FreeBSD is the OS that cried "WOLF", and the
vendors are starting to ignore the calls. The
infrastructure is so poor (in terms of process
switching times and scheduler efficiencies), and
they seem clueless on how to fix it.


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Re: top and multiple CPU's

[Ashok TM]

use
top -S
There will be new column with  'C'  tag which displays the the cpu id  on
which the process is running

mptables to list the processors available


On 7/13/06, stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I just installed 6.1 stable (AMD64) on a Sun Ultra 40. This is a dual CPU
machine.

I have Linux installed on a similar machine. On the Linux box I can fire
up
top and type "1" to see the load on each CPU. This does not seem to work
on
the FreeBSD machine.

Should it? How can I verify that the machine is using both CPU's ?

Thanks.

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Best way to create a large data space

[stan]

 i have a Sun Ultra 40 with 4 500F SATA drives. I plan on using this
 machine primarily for a large data storage requirement.

 What I want is one large /data partition. Given all the choices for doing
 this in FreeBSD (software) what's the "best" choice here? The partio will
 be shared via SAMBA if that affects the thhinking here.

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top and multiple CPU's

[stan]

I just installed 6.1 stable (AMD64) on a Sun Ultra 40. This is a dual CPU
machine.

I have Linux installed on a similar machine. On the Linux box I can fire up
top and type "1" to see the load on each CPU. This does not seem to work on
the FreeBSD machine.

Should it? How can I verify that the machine is using both CPU's ?

Thanks.

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Re: mac mini (intel)?

[Joe Marcus Clarke]

On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 00:54 -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
> On Jul 13, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 02:01 -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> >> Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
> >>> A day or three ago someone posted about having 6.1-CURRENT (I  
> >>> believe)
> >>> run on a MacBook laptop.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have it running on a Mac Mini (intel)?  I might be
> >>> interested in getting a couple to handle email services to nfs  
> >>> mounted
> >>> mail stores.  I like their small size and ability to stick  
> >>> several of
> >>> them in my racks without really taking much room.  (We are short  
> >>> of rack
> >>> space at the moment for many new servers).
> >>
> >> Does FreeBSD 6.x actually boot on the hardware of these Macs yet?
> >> (They're using EFI, not the classic PC BIOS.)
> >
> > Yes, with Bootcamp.  However, they cannot boot FreeBSD  
> > automatically (or
> > at least I haven't found a way to do it).  You must hold the Option  
> > key
> > down at boot-time to select the alternate OS.
> 
> Have you tried BAMBIOS ( legacyboot/> ?)

This sounds a bit like what Bootcamp already provides.  However, it
doesn't seem to be available currently to try.

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Re: *bsd firewall appliance?

[Danial Thom]

You clowns with your diskless servers just crack
me up. Everyone brags about their years of uptime
on their servers, yet you just can't put up a
firewall or router without a disk. What, are you
still using mfm drives or something? 

--- DW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Philippe Lang wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >   
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Just doing some early morning brainstorming,
> and my crazy thought of
> >> the day is this: 
> >>
> >> My life would be so much easier if I could
> just get rid of my
> >> stupid PIX firewalls, and replace them what
> I know and love:
> >> FreeBSD. It's not that the PIX's have been
> causing me
> >> problems or anything like that, it's just
> that I believe in
> >> streamlining whenever possible, and since
> we've already
> >> exterminated Microsoft in my server room for
> at least 3
> >> years, the only thing left that's not
> running FreeBSD are my
> >> appliances (firewalls and switches) and 2
> leftover legacy
> >> servers still running Redhat that haven't
> been worth the
> >> effort to migrate to FreeBSD. I'm a one-man
> shop, and I can
> >> survive using the PIX IOS when I have to,
> but would just as
> >> soon use BSD if I could. Questions:
> >>
> >> 1) If I did this, I would probably only do
> it if I could
> >> figure out how to rack up some diskless
> servers to my 2-post
> >> communications rack. Any thoughts on
> hardware candidates, etc.?
> >>
> >> 2) If I did this, maybe it would be wiser to
> go with OpenBSD
> >> instead, since it is known for security?
> >>
> >> 3) Any good tutorials on setting up a
> diskless servers for
> >> Free/OpenBSD? 
> >>
> >> 4) Any other considerations?
> >>
> >> 5) Am I just being stupid and should I just
> keep my PIX's
> >> going? I know, I know, if it ain't broke,
> don't fix it.
> >> 
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Maybe a good start for you would be to have a
> look at http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/.
> >   
> WOW!! This is exactly what I was looking
> for and more! Can't wait to 
> start trying it out! Thanks!
> 
> 
> > Cheers,
> >
> > ---
> > Philippe Lang
> > Attik System
> >
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