On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:03:55 +
Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:
Heh. The customer is /always/ right, even when they're wrong. The
difference is that you give the idiot customers exactly what they ask
for, and the good customers what they actually need
now that is
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 23:53 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:50:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable,
and to develop them we'd need the hardware
after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this
answer after looking ..
freebsd - the power to serve
Might one reasonably surmise that the power to serve implies
doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers,
FTP servers, web servers, file servers, database
freebsd - the power to serve
Might one reasonably surmise that the power to serve implies
doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers,
FTP servers, web servers, file servers, database servers, ssh
servers, even - gasp - X11 servers?
so what's wrong. it runs well any
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:00:45AM +, Glyn Millington wrote:
Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu writes:
But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach
newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just
repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or
The spirit of replying to all questions, even if they are similar to
``How do I process images with a Photoshop-like program on FreeBSD?'',
or even ``Windows lets me use FOO and do BAR. Is there something like
this in FreeBSD?'', seems to be one of the *good* aspects of this list.
it is bad
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:22:15AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
There is _nothing_ that is inherently server oriented about the main
FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't split to anything of the sort.
exactly! FreeBSD is unix oriented!
everything else depends on what you install.
that's why it
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:26:36PM -0800, Brian Whalen wrote:
michael wrote:
has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered what
you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os that
doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and Wojciech.
I
that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that list -
to cut off 95% of traffic that is not about FreeBSD.
Moderation, like all bureaucracy and oversight, a chainsaw -- not a
scalpel. One should always be wary of its use where even the slightest
error might result in
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:46:03PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all?
no. all i want is to stop all stupid topics about:
- KDE/Gnome/other crap (or great things for somebody)
BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF FREEBSD. FreeBSD has nothing to this,
Isn't getting Flash working *with* FreeBSD (and browser of choice) a
FreeBSD topic?
WITH BROWSER. ask browser programmers for that.
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On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 09:35:59PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware.
this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers
do make support for it.
what is common today isn't normal.
I honestly have no idea what you are
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here.
exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions
others) are willing to buy product without any documentation.
You may find this surprising, but sometimes circumstances lead people to
make purchases of
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:59:46 +0200
Ivailo Bonev ibb_o...@mbox.contact.bg wrote:
What's your
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I think too much of this discussion is OT, maybe it's time to go in
freebsd-c...@?
indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics
Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu writes:
But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach
newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just
repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or RHEL
or whatever.
Or even why isn't FreeBSD more like FreeBSD used to
Glyn Millington wrote:
But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach
newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just
repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or RHEL
or whatever.
Or even why isn't FreeBSD more like FreeBSD used to be back in the
Michel Talon writes:
As you suggest, first, discussions about the direction FreeBSD
should go are eminently FreeBSD related,
Technical note: questions@ may be an appropriate forum for
general discussion; however, as things progress to the technical it
becomes more appropriate for
On Sat 13 Dec 2008 at 01:44:03 PST Chad Perrin wrote:
I rather suspect that a much stronger, and more common, reason for
obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general
ignorance of daycoders and pointy-haired bosses -- all of whom think Java
is the best programming
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:38:18 +0100 (CET),
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
Isn't getting Flash working *with* FreeBSD (and browser of choice) a
FreeBSD topic?
WITH BROWSER. ask browser programmers for that.
Do you really, honestly expect Mozilla, Galeon, Epiphany and any
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:03:39 -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this answer
after looking .. freebsd - the power to serve
Might one reasonably surmise that the power to serve implies doing a
good job of running server software? Like
Technical note: questions@ may be an appropriate forum for
general discussion about FreeBSD, or general discussion about thousands of
unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD?
general discussion; however, as things progress to the technical it
becomes more appropriate for
FreeBSD topic?
WITH BROWSER. ask browser programmers for that.
Do you really, honestly expect Mozilla, Galeon, Epiphany and any random
i expect to support any unix. and they do. unfortunately they didn't
write flash module, so you have to use abobe flash that is available as
binary only
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:24:13 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
Technical note: questions@ may be an appropriate forum for
general discussion about FreeBSD, or general discussion about
thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD?
I don't
thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD?
I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on
FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in
for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece
of software also
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:48:55 +0100 (CET),
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD?
I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on
FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be
Hi,
I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on
FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in
for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece
of software also runs on AmigaOS? Not really, IMO :)
do you ask say -
than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this
i don't discourage beginners that want to learn.
Most of them don't.
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under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS.
In the hypothetical scenario that I would be a Mac user who is happy
with his MacOS application, why would I want to bother with Microsoft at
all?
In the non-hypotethical scenario of You being windows user happy with
flash in browsers (or maybe
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:39 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS.
In the hypothetical scenario that I would be a Mac user who is happy
with his MacOS application, why would I want to bother with
Microsoft at all?
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:33:40AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that list -
to cut off 95% of traffic that is not about FreeBSD.
Moderation, like all bureaucracy and oversight, a chainsaw -- not a
scalpel. One should always
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 01:48:02PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
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I think too much of this discussion is OT, maybe it's time to go in
freebsd-c...@?
bad (TM).
No -- at *any* level:
you are wrong.
for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees
ktalk about your company.
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freebsd-c...@?
indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics
You, yourself, spawn this kind of digression into off-topicness every now
and then. Perhaps *you* should reserve some of *your* comments for
freebsd-chat, too.
And certainly will AFTER such offtopic discussion won't be appearing
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here.
exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions
others) are willing to buy product without any documentation.
You may find this
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:37:09AM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote:
On Sat 13 Dec 2008 at 01:44:03 PST Chad Perrin wrote:
I rather suspect that a much stronger, and more common, reason for
obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general
ignorance of daycoders and
Wojciech Puchar writes:
so stop asking on FreeBSD group about flash support. it's not
FreeBSD developers job.
Except Flash support depends (/inter alia/) on the Linux
emulation layer, which has been accepted as part of the FreeBSD
developers job. Indeed, I get the feeling Flash is
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I'll
provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe
you'll be able to understand my point ...
good illustrative examples, chad!
i think moderation has value if it is done reasonably. for
good illustrative examples, chad!
i think moderation has value if it is done reasonably. for instance,
it all depends if FreeBSD has to be treated as public projects or somehow
private.
I'm not talking about open/closed source as it's opensource, but it's
private as there are well defined
Except Flash support depends (/inter alia/) on the Linux
emulation layer, which has been accepted as part of the FreeBSD
developers job. Indeed, I get the feeling Flash is sort of a quiet
flash runs under linux emulation with linux binary browsers. what a
problem?
probably that they would create competitors somehow, magically, without
providing any information that directly encourages competition for their
hardware. If they wanted to provide per-incident paid software support
or simply charge people extra for drivers, *then* I could see this being
a
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:04:08 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
And certainly will AFTER such offtopic discussion won't be appearing
here.
i mean such offtopic discussion like:
- comparision of things that can't be compared, and are not FreeBSD
specific, like
team. It's not part of FreeBSD
after there will be stopped, i will stop complaining
Better yet, start your own list. Then you can play the roles of führer
and Gestapo all to your own liking.
i am not FreeBSD owner/creator. If i would sell a product/service that
would need mailing list for
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:38:29 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
It's nice people like to help other people, but it's bad it helps
them on that lists with OFF-TOPIC problems.
agreed!
i think these illustrations you present are relevant:
- comparision of things
you're reply to another post:
If you wish you can call me fuhrer ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly
got too far.
:D
good response to that unfortunate eruption of enthusiasm.
i think it's a problem of fear about past consorship in many countries.
But this is completely different things.
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:26:21 -0800, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote:
anyone know if there are moderators for this list?
i know there are some very nice people who keep watch. once i messaged
the test list with a ports question (i was having trouble emailing this
one - so i was testing to
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
freebsd-c...@?
indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics
You, yourself, spawn this kind of digression into off-topicness every now
and then. Perhaps *you* should reserve some of *your* comments for
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:04:43 +0200
Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote:
We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens
of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the
entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little
spam
spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so
transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless
it is.
very true! i've been surprised at the low spam ratio here for sure!
we all owe a debt of gratitude to this postmaster.
every time i get worried seeing a
prad writes:
We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens
of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the
entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little
spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so
A lot of times I report spam anymore and usually the domain gets kicked off
or I help a company with some information in their investigation usually.
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On Saturday 13 December 2008 20:10:56 Robert Huff wrote:
prad writes:
We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens
of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the
entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little
spam as
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 00:23 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
Julien Cigar said the following on 2008-12-11 14:40:
- Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice or ... is
just inhuman, especially when you cannot use -j for building ports (but
it's being resolved I think).
Of
i don't disagree with you that opensource stuff is much better even if
they don't have certain things. however, is this really a freebsd issue
there are excellent opensource software and there are crappy opensource
bloatware.
just being opensource doesn't mean anything
So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated
graphics is not an improvement, and should therefore not be considered
a worthy goal?
full support of open hardware standards is an requirement.
support for closed hardware standards isn't important.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:58:02 +0100
Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net wrote:
Julien Cigar skrev:
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 00:23 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
Julien Cigar said the following on 2008-12-11 14:40:
- Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice
or ... is just
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 07:04:18PM -0800, prad wrote:
Each time, I have very
clearly stated my disagreement with his estimation of FreeBSD as
being thoroughly beaten by MS Windows in that area, with that URL
provided as evidence to back my claim.
the problem is that is your own
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:45:20PM -0600, Tyson Boellstorff wrote:
On Thursday 11 December 2008 19:58:14 Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 05:00:11PM -0800, prad wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700
i don't think that's really what is happening, chad.
i think there is
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 09:50:36PM -0800, prad wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:58:14 -0700
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated
graphics is not an improvement, and should therefore not be
considered a worthy goal?
no.
cropping up and saying the equivalent of If we work on that stuff,
FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck. I disagree with
because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now.
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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Thursday 11 December 2008 19:58:14 Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 05:00
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:04:21 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
there are excellent opensource software and there are crappy
opensource bloatware.
just being opensource doesn't mean anything
agreed, but we prefer to support opensource from a philosophical
Chad Perrin wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:05:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated
graphics is not an improvement, and should therefore not be considered
a worthy goal?
full support of open hardware standards is an
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I don't recall anyone saying I'm with such-and-such a FreeBSD
development team, and these are the reasons we aren't going to do
anything about that at this time:.
i don't either, but these development teams do exist:
Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:45:20PM -0600, Tyson Boellstorff wrote:
On Thursday 11 December 2008 19:58:14 Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 05:00:11PM -0800, prad wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700
i don't think that's really what is
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:35:46 -0500
Michael Powell nightre...@verizon.net wrote:
My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very dangerous
precedent if the solution involves allowing a third party commercial
enterprise to dictate features FreeBSD must include before they will
support
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:59:46 +0200
Ivailo Bonev ibb_o...@mbox.contact.bg wrote:
What's your problem with Lada?! :-D
They make cars (especially Niva) to drive everywhere!
well may be they could work on the nvidia drivers.
they already have 4 of the 6 letters correct.
Just my 2 euro cents...
I disagree. I believe, rather, that support for closed hardware specs
isn't *as* important -- but is still at least somewhat important.
My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very dangerous
precedent if the solution involves allowing a third party commercial
enterprise to
michael writes:
why don't we all just say it. freebsd sucks because it isn't cp/m.
CP/? Poser. I want my TWENEX back.
:-)
Robert Huff
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Robert Huff wrote:
michael writes:
why don't we all just say it. freebsd sucks because it isn't cp/m.
CP/? Poser. I want my TWENEX back.
:-)
Robert Huff
haha, old man.
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware.
this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers
do make support for it.
what is common today isn't normal.
I honestly
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:02:28 -0500
Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote:
Market share increases by making your product more accessible and
usable by a larger group of users.
you make a good point here, jerry.
what i'm wondering about though is if the 'normal' business model
should be applied to fbsd
NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware.
this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers
do make support for it.
what is common today isn't normal.
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here.
exactly what i wrote. the problem is
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true
reason they do this.
With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy and certainly
there are thousands of hardware
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true
reason they do this.
this is really interesting. so the 'trade secrets' is largely a
smoke-screen.
i imagine this would also
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 02:44:27PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote:
michael writes:
why don't we all just say it. freebsd sucks because it isn't cp/m.
CP/? Poser. I want my TWENEX back.
:-)
What do you have against ITS?
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On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 07:15:35PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
cropping up and saying the equivalent of If we work on that stuff,
FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck. I disagree with
because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now.
Are you reading this, prad?
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On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:07:45AM -0800, prad wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I don't recall anyone saying I'm with such-and-such a FreeBSD
development team, and these are the reasons we aren't going to do
anything about that at this
Chad Perrin wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 07:15:35PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
cropping up and saying the equivalent of If we work on that stuff,
FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck. I disagree with
because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now.
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:35:46PM -0500, Michael Powell wrote:
Chad Perrin wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:05:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated
graphics is not an improvement, and should therefore not be considered
has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered what
you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os that
doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and Wojciech.
I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? is ranting on here
about those two
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 03:02:28PM -0500, Jerry wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware.
this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers
do make
michael wrote:
has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered what
you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os that
doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and Wojciech.
I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? is ranting on here
Brian Whalen wrote:
michael wrote:
Brian Whalen wrote:
michael wrote:
has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered
what you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os
that doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and
Wojciech.
I mean
I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all?
no. all i want is to stop all stupid topics about:
- KDE/Gnome/other crap (or great things for somebody)
BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF FREEBSD. FreeBSD has nothing to this, except
KDE/Gnome/whatever can be run on it
- support of flash in
by a larger group of users. If FBSD wants to remain a 'niche' product
with limited support for third party products, then the question of why
FBSD is not more popular with hardware vendors has been answered.
That's exactly what some people want -- though it's not a universal
FreeBSD goal,
Hi dear sirs!
Correct please if me wrong, but as i know the source tree of FreeBSD already
split into two parts - Servers-oriented (FreeBSD) and PC-BSD (Desktop oriented)
? Or team from PC-BSD is not FreeBSD peoples? WBR
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:46:03 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
if someone like to compare KDE with windoze - OK but NOT THIS GROUP!
Hold the topic censorship horses there a bit...
The freebsd-questions list is a general discussion forum where FreeBSD
users
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:28:26 +0300, Usr Random rand15...@yandex.ru wrote:
Hi dear sirs!
Correct please if me wrong, but as i know the source tree of FreeBSD
already split into two parts - Servers-oriented (FreeBSD) and PC-BSD
(Desktop oriented) ? Or team from PC-BSD is not FreeBSD peoples?
There is _nothing_ that is inherently server oriented about the main
FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't split to anything of the sort.
exactly! FreeBSD is unix oriented!
everything else depends on what you install.
that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that list -
to cut
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
There is _nothing_ that is inherently server oriented about the main
FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't split to anything of the sort.
exactly! FreeBSD is unix oriented!
everything else depends on what
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 02:28:54AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
There is _nothing_ that is inherently server oriented about the main
FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't split to anything of the sort.
On December 12, 2008 07:28:54 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
There is _nothing_ that is inherently server oriented about the main
FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't split to anything of the sort.
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:28:54 +0200
Giorgos Keramidas keram...@freebsd.org wrote:
It seems natural
to return the favor now, and reply to *all* questions that I can help
with; even if their relation to FreeBSD is very 'weak'.
i think that is both very generous, appropriate and in keeping with
Da Rock wrote:
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:29 -0500, Jerry wrote:
snip
IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement,
it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed
a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization
to
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 12:14 -0800, prad wrote:
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:35:17 +0100
Uwe Laverenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who is most freebsd users?
i would think most are interested in running servers or routers or
possible scientific applications or engaged in os study and appreciate
The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO work
in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good.
in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it paying a
bit for windows is not a problem.
Those who need to do actual work, we have FreeBSD
On 11 dec 2008, at 12:28, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO
work
in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good.
in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it
paying a bit for windows is not a
that's the most narrow minded post i've seen here since i'm on this group
or your narrow mail reading .
As if the only work that can be considered real work is the work you do...
The reason why I CAN'T do any serious work on FreeBSD is because it lacks
the NVidia drivers (i'm in the
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:28:00 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it paying
a bit for windows is not a problem.
Those who need to do actual work, we have FreeBSD for example
Define: 'Actual Work'? What you are
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