Re: Testing - my emails don't seem to be getting through

2008-10-15 Thread Chad Perrin
doesn't reject his emails, but the public mailing list does. I think the correct response here would have been to direct him to the freebsd-test mailing list: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-test -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] A: It reverses

Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-17 Thread Chad Perrin
in the last four years), excellent. So is Samba support on, for instance, Debian. I believe you'll have to look outside of Samba support for reasons to pick one over the other. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] print substr('Just another Perl hacker', 0, -2

Re: flash-9, 10 on FreeBSD

2008-10-28 Thread Chad Perrin
a decent Operating System ?? gnash all the way for me.. I've had better luck with swfdec than gnash. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] A: It reverses the normal flow of conversation. Q: What's wrong with top-posting? pgp1PjPV9LIHV.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: about vi editor and turkish char

2008-10-31 Thread Chad Perrin
, such as rxvt-unicode. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] McCloctnick the Lucid: The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hopping when a rock or a club will do. pgploo7Hjzf1H.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Funny slogans to put on tshirts

2008-10-31 Thread Chad Perrin
crossed out, or with a FreeBSD logo, or something like that. Of course, one of my favorite one-liners is one I made up: Power corrupts. The command line corrupts absolutely. . . . or, altneratively: Power corrupts. Unix corrupts absolutely. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http

Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?

2008-11-01 Thread Chad Perrin
any further development. It does what it needs to do, and doesn't screw around with a bunch of singing and dancing and backflips to distract me from the fact it doesn't do anything fundamentally new. Just one man's opinion. Yours is surely different. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http

Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?

2008-11-01 Thread Chad Perrin
insidious ways. As such, I'm not sure one's experience with KDE3 is the best litmus for whether KDE4 is or will be a good choice. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Bill McKibben: The laws of Congress and the laws of physics have grown increasingly divergent

Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?

2008-11-01 Thread Chad Perrin
train-wreck of UI with a better UI. I mean, come on -- just look at Info Pages. What a disaster area. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Georg Hackl: American beer is the first successful attempt at diluting water. pgpbGCaMKcUlI.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?

2008-11-04 Thread Chad Perrin
complaining in lieu of actually productively trying to identify and fix bugs. If you want to get involved in bug fixing, using a beta version is a great idea. If you don't have the time or inclination, a supposed release version that feels like beta test software is not the answer. -- Chad

Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?

2008-11-04 Thread Chad Perrin
be configured to do that by default rather than the tiling thing, if you so desire. It's currently my second choice window manager, after AHWM (which is *not* a tiling window manager). -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Bill McKibben: The laws of Congress

Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?

2008-11-04 Thread Chad Perrin
it considers friends. I don't remember who said that first, but I find it accurate. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Malaclypse the Younger: 'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. pgpZJa5TR22x1.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Java and FreeBSD

2008-11-05 Thread Chad Perrin
? -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Albert Camus: An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. pgpli2IBgla7u.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: recommendation word processer for xfce

2008-11-07 Thread Chad Perrin
. . . or, as someone else pointed out, one could just learn to scroll to the end before typing. It's not that difficult -- even in Outlook. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Wall: You can never entirely stop being what you once were. That's why it's

Re: (no subject)

2008-11-07 Thread Chad Perrin
will never have the kind of connectivity found in a real data center at home. Make sure the colocation facility of your choice is multi-homed before simply assuming it is. Some aren't. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Wall: Just don't create a file

Re: root /etc/csh

2008-11-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 02:14:07PM -0500, Jerry wrote: I usually just use: #!/usr/bin/env bash It seems to work on both Linux and FBSD. That does work -- as long as you have bash installed. How portable do you want your script to be? -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
started out with my two cents on the matter, and ended up rambling about a bunch of tangential nonsense. I think that means it's time to close up this email. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] print substr('Just another Perl hacker', 0, -2); pgpYw9erjm52s.pgp

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
on FreeBSD if I switched to MS Windows than I do of MS Windows software when I'm on FreeBSD. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Niccolo Machiavelli: It is a common failing of man not to take account of tempests during fair weather. pgpdeaex5yKNp.pgp Description: PGP

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
that, PC-BSD is doing an excellent job of becoming the definitive MS Windows replacement OS without adopting MS Windows problems. . . . and, as I said, FreeBSD is a great MS Windows replacement for me. I don't miss MS Windows *at all* when I'm using FreeBSD on my laptop every single day. -- Chad

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
. That's all I have to say on the matter; I won't reply here on out. That's a bummer. I'd like to know your thoughts on some of my above commentary -- particularly on the subject of PowerShell. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] A: It reverses the normal flow

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
Unix. Cut and paste still doesn't work well in Unix GUIs. Think about that. Uh . . . what? I'll try pasting something: Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Yep, works great. In fact, I *love* that middle-click paste thing, and on the rare occasion that I find myself

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
and practice are the same. In practice, they aren't. . . . or something to that effect. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Larry Wall: A script is what you give the actors. A program is what you give the audience. pgpqWQ189sBSL.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [OT] printing question

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
Artisan 800. I'm happy with my HP laser printer connected directly to the network. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Albert Camus: An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. pgpeTq55kbEGs.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37:21PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: The same applies to the X Window System. It sucks. It is laden with various and sundry big problems; annoyances and poor design decisions litter the X Window System. The drawbacks of Luna, Aqua, and Aero are all even worse than

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
to the attrition of time. That seems to be your approach, and I find it quite counterproductive, especially when you couple it with weirdly anti-Unix statements like your continuing insistence that no Unix system can effectively replace MS Windows. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
causation -- just as repeating something many times doesn't make it true. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] O'Rourke's Circumcision Precept: You can take 10 percent off the top of anything. pgp8FFoSN189G.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [OT] printing question

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
experience, at least. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Naguib Mahfouz: You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions. pgpHkkkMQ4gGE.pgp Description: PGP signature

BSD-licensed text utility updates

2008-11-18 Thread Chad Perrin
it. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Arthur C. Clarke: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. pgp0QW2TxNOVW.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-11-21 Thread Chad Perrin
of the quality of a replacement for a given class of OS. I'm also not sure I see how virtualization makes or breaks the quality of any Unix-like system, or qualifies it as high end. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Zat was zen, dis is tao. http://tao.apotheon.org

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-12-02 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:25:24PM -0500, Bob McConnell wrote: On Behalf Of Chad Perrin While I agree that, without some kind of supporting argument, the statement that Linux systems are low end Unix replacements are kind of spurious sounding, I don't think that market share is really

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

2008-12-02 Thread Chad Perrin
somehow complete. What are you -- a troll? -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Wall: Perl is, in intent, a cleaned up and summarized version of that wonderful semi-natural language known as 'Unix'. pgpnKFz2J6TBm.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Performance benchmarks pitting FreeBSD against Windows

2008-12-05 Thread Chad Perrin
. Python 3.0, there are always ways to arrange your benchmark tests to favor whatever you want to favor. That doesn't change the fact that FreeBSD vs. MS Windows benchmark tests can be every bit as (un)useful as any other benchmark tests. They're not just too different. -- Chad Perrin [ content

Re: Performance benchmarks pitting FreeBSD against Windows

2008-12-05 Thread Chad Perrin
, stories to the contrary are pretty hard to find. Of course, that seems to be more about PostgreSQL vs. Oracle than FreeBSD vs. MS Windows. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Thomas McCauley: The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-07 Thread Chad Perrin
product, especially in the 64-bit systems, which are the future of computing. Please explain your use of the word improve in this context. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Mediocrity corrupts. Bureaucracy corrupts absolutely. pgpI1UyKLlAty.pgp Description: PGP

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-07 Thread Chad Perrin
we are to never have a FreeBSD that offers broad, stable support for 3D accelerated graphics. I would like it if you'd stop trying to convince people that my favorite OS shouldn't be improved. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Henry Spencer: Those who don't

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-11 Thread Chad Perrin
no legitimate use for 3D accelerated graphics, for some reason -- and yes, that's pretty damned narrow-minded. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Anonymous quoth: Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence. pgprtZ4ltc7IQ.pgp

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-11 Thread Chad Perrin
is not a problem. Those who need to do actual work, we have FreeBSD for example Bullshit: http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=335 Please stop trolling. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] print substr('Just another Perl hacker', 0, -2); pgprWauSDqJsx.pgp Description

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-11 Thread Chad Perrin
something can be done about making installing and upgrading from packages simpler and easier without further damaging that unification. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Edmund Burke: Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgement; and he

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-11 Thread Chad Perrin
in the package. Such is life. Actually, I'd love to drop OO.o too, but I haven't gained the level of familiarity with LaTeX yet to do the things I do with OO.o when making invoices. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Sterling Camden: The Church doesn't want people

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-11 Thread Chad Perrin
someone brings up anything related to migration from some other OS to FreeBSD, you basically tell them to go away. This is unproductive, leads to endless argument on the mailing list, and generally makes everyone unhappy. That sounds suspiciously like trolling to me. -- Chad Perrin [ content

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-11 Thread Chad Perrin
for compiling OO.o, so I live with whatever's in the package. Such is life. simply make your own package somewhere and then use pkg_add Sometimes, that isn't an option. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Georg Hackl: American beer is the first successful

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-11 Thread Chad Perrin
. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Marvin Minsky: . . . anyone could learn Lisp in 1 day, except that if they already knew Fortran, it would take 3 days. pgp5Ucwjyt5tU.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-11 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 01:24:19PM -0800, prad wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:12:19 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: Please stop trolling. chad, i don't think this is fair to wojciech. he is expressing his feelings and considerable knowledge about an os that he doesn't want

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-11 Thread Chad Perrin
system? -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Paul Graham: SUVs are gross because they're the solution to a gross problem. (How to make minivans look more masculine.) pgpPe1YHrzhpY.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-11 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:47:23PM -0800, prad wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:25 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: His manner of expressing his feelings seems to be to try to crush others' beneath his heel. Try examining the definition of the word fair before you use

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-11 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 05:00:11PM -0800, prad wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: Can we stop trying to dissuade people from improving FreeBSD, and from advocating for improvements? i don't think that's really what is happening, chad. i

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
-- and not as a reference to the concept of talking to you at all. If I find I have more to say, I'll send it off-list, as you suggest. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] My first programming koan: If a lambda has the ability to access its context, but there isn't any

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:45:20PM -0600, Tyson Boellstorff wrote: On Thursday 11 December 2008 19:58:14 Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 05:00:11PM -0800, prad wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 i don't think that's really what is happening, chad. i think

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 09:50:36PM -0800, prad wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:58:14 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated graphics is not an improvement, and should therefore not be considered a worthy goal

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
for closed hardware standards isn't important. I disagree. I believe, rather, that support for closed hardware specs isn't *as* important -- but is still at least somewhat important. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] My first programming koan: If a lambda has

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 02:44:27PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: michael writes: why don't we all just say it. freebsd sucks because it isn't cp/m. CP/? Poser. I want my TWENEX back. :-) What do you have against ITS? -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 07:15:35PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: cropping up and saying the equivalent of If we work on that stuff, FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck. I disagree with because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. Are you reading this, prad? -- Chad

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:07:45AM -0800, prad wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I don't recall anyone saying I'm with such-and-such a FreeBSD development team, and these are the reasons we aren't going to do anything about that at this time

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:35:46PM -0500, Michael Powell wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:05:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated graphics is not an improvement, and should therefore not be considered

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 03:02:28PM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers do make

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
in my day to day life, either, but it sure is an eye opener and fun to look at every once in a while. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth James Madison: If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
of value. Interestingly, my random signature generator seems to have something to say about this topic as well. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Jon Postel, RFC 761: [B]e conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others. pgpWR0TVKtkqX.pgp

Re: ad

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
. Also . . . it appears that, after reading all these posts, you've forgotten how to crop quotes. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Power corrupts. The command line corrupts absolutely. pgp6bDvxFTlAz.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: ad

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
. it's just fact. Saying it doesn't make it so. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] O'Rourke's Circumcision Precept: You can take 10 percent off the top of anything. pgpSWZXz0mfFZ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
. So, no . . . PC-BSD isn't good enough for my purposes, because it's serving someone else's purposes entirely. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Henry Spencer: Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly. pgpjUWMicCiuq.pgp Description: PGP

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
FreeBSD do what one wants it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Paul Graham: Real ugliness is not harsh-looking syntax, but having to build programs out of the wrong concepts. pgpd2poBdaNfb.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
some vague, unsupported (but stubborn) notion that secrets are good for business. At least it *seems* they all think so. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] A: It reverses the normal flow of conversation. Q: What's wrong with top-posting? pgpDfzZYrLeoO.pgp Description

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
like the peripheral projects associated with it, and its users. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Naguib Mahfouz: You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions. pgpCNvTivB7gH.pgp Description: PGP

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
...@? indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics You, yourself, spawn this kind of digression into off-topicness every now and then. Perhaps *you* should reserve some of *your* comments for freebsd-chat, too. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Mike Maples, as quoted

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
such a contentious trojan horse of an enemy to the FreeBSD project? -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] They always say that when life gives you lemons you should make lemonade. I always wonder -- isn't the lemonade going to suck if life doesn't give you any sugar

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:37:09AM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: On Sat 13 Dec 2008 at 01:44:03 PST Chad Perrin wrote: I rather suspect that a much stronger, and more common, reason for obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general ignorance of daycoders and pointy

Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update

2008-12-13 Thread Chad Perrin
, I hope someone else can help you, because I don't know. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Alan Perlis: LISP programmers know the value of everything and the cost of nothing. pgpRkIss18XTN.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
to them to give some BSD Unix variant a try -- and if they haven't been poisoned against BSD Unix systems by GNU/FSF propaganda in the meantime. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Edward Murphy, Jr. (Murphy's Law): If there's more than one way to do a job and one

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:57:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: bad (TM). No -- at *any* level: you are wrong. for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees ktalk about your company. That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement. -- Chad Perrin

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:26:21PM -0800, prad wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I'll provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe you'll be able to understand my point ... good illustrative examples, chad! i

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
and not others. But removing off-topic messages, that are 95% now or more. 1. When moderation is increased, so too are false positives -- like removing statements of opinion that shouldn't be removed. 2. Your idea of off topic seems to include stuff relevant to FreeBSD. -- Chad Perrin [ content

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
that moderator's job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG. NOTHING else. As long as neither you, nor anyone that thinks like you, is in charge of moderation, it might not be a *complete* disaster. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Peter Norvig: Use

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
thinking about trying out FreeBSD, you immediately assume the person doesn't want to learn without bothering to read any further, I don't think you actually have any way of knowing whether anyone wants to learn most of the time. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Colin

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
(ictionary). -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] John W. Russell: People point. Sometimes that's just easier. They also use words. Sometimes that's just easier. For the same reasons that pointing has not made words obsolete, there will always be command lines

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
with a base-sys...@freebsd.org list where you can hang out and be happy. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Power corrupts. The command line corrupts absolutely. pgpkfKIy3jlMp.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
subthread. I don't remember exactly where, but I mentioned terms like laptop and package deal (or something to that effect) a bit. Please address that before you go bandying this weak argument around any more. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth William Gibson

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
performance per dollar in their class. Pentium 4, though, certainly sucks. The first generation of Celeron processors were kick-ass x86-compatible CPUs for their time, too -- actually better than Intel intended them to be. Weird how that happens. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:50:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable, and to develop them we'd need the hardware specs so we'd have a target toward which to develop drivers

Re: GPL version 4

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
is that Stallman and friends have very strange notions about what constitutes freedom -- strange, but all too common. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] print substr('Just another Perl hacker', 0, -2); pgplggzoTVnG5.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
under the same patent. Be very careful. Even in the US, where there's a presumption of innocence built into criminal law, the presumption of innocence doesn't apply in civil court. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Principle of Exclusion: The strength of any system

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
, it might not be a *complete* disaster. of course it should be you to remove all my posts:) I wouldn't remove all your posts. You've said five or six things that were on-topic. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Friedrich Nietzche: Those who know

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
haven't noticed, but it doesn't say about the FreeBSD Base System. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth H. L. Mencken: In this world of sin and sorrow, there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:14:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 19:21 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39:26AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
the link to: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies sorry, i was sure it exist, but wasn't aware because i never wanted to subscribe to freebsd-newbies. Funny -- I read you suggesting that it might exist, and wanted to go sign up for it so I could help out. -- Chad Perrin

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
/ | / \ -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Wall: Just don't create a file called -rf. pgp2CdB7Ml0qs.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
that backwards. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth James Madison: If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. pgpmiJ1zbRYfA.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
, judging by what I've read. By all accounts, though, it got back on track. I wonder if NetBSD got better again after you left, if it ever got worse in the first place. And i really want to keep it that way, because there is no alternative now! -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
are intentionally written in a somewhat vague way so they can be extended via case law at a later date. Nothing is legal under the current US system unless you can defend it in civil court. That's my general rule of thumb. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth markinct

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
offering tower system motherboards that accept Pentium M processors in 2003, but alas, they were just rumors. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Mediocrity corrupts. Bureaucracy corrupts absolutely. pgphTQo4tYLod.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
do get patented all the time. Anyway . . . as it happens, patenting a method provides far more broad power than patenting an algorithm, anyway, in practice. That's one of the reason (software) patents are so damaging. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Reginald

Re: GPL version 4

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
by stopping middlemen from stripping it away. Please don't spam the FreeBSD list with such propaganda. That's a personal request -- I don't pretend to speak for the entire list. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Naguib Mahfouz: You can tell whether a man is clever

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
to Linux instead by people like you. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Principle of Inclusion: The strength of any system is directly proportional to the power of the tools it provides for the general public. pgpDNrLdxw9Ib.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:22:31PM -0800, Brian Whalen wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: Tell that to the uncountable hordes of dedicated Linux users who don't know what they're missing and, as such, see no reason to even give FreeBSD a try. Many Linux people I know still think FreeBSD SMP

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-15 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 07:07:36AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:43 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted above, is verboten. Er, doesn't

Re: Suitability question

2008-12-18 Thread Chad Perrin
for this idea? In general, I think FreeBSD is an *excellent* choice for this. You should consider specifics of your particular case, of course, but based on what you said I see no reason that FreeBSD shouldn't meet your needs exceedingly well. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http

Re: Suitability question

2008-12-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 04:46:24PM -0500, Glen Barber wrote: Word processing won't be a problem, but internet 'toys' like Flash will be a problem, unless you use some wine+firefox workaround. What -- nspluginwrapper doesn't work any longer? -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http

Re: Suitability question

2008-12-19 Thread Chad Perrin
, and configure it all to precise specifications, with a minimum of effort -- using FreeBSD itself. With PC-BSD, on the other hand, you won't even know what all is installed, and will have to spend a lot of time crawling through the system figuring out what to uninstall. -- Chad Perrin [ content

mplayer won't build

2008-12-31 Thread Chad Perrin
in flight? Okay . . . feel free to ignore the last two or three questions. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Henry Spencer: Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly. pgpIk3ARCYz5c.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: mplayer won't build

2008-12-31 Thread Chad Perrin
wanted. It seems odd to me that there isn't an option for that in portinstall (ignoring -m for the moment). -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Anne McClintock, University of Wisconsin: The decisions that really matter are made outside the democratic process

Re: Portuguese accents

2009-01-05 Thread Chad Perrin
. how can I solve this? Is it impossible to list and also name files with accented letter? I believe it is possible to name files with unicode characters, but in general I'd advise against it. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Robert Martin: Would you

Re: Foiling MITM attacks on source and ports trees

2009-01-06 Thread Chad Perrin
/~perspectives/index.html [2] http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p#571 -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Anonymous: Why do we never have time to do it right, but always have time to do it over? pgpdWFBWpraoO.pgp Description: PGP signature

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