Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:29:56 -0500, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Hi! The DOS format utility is kind of an anachronism at this point. Usually it takes a long time to format a partition because it's iterating through every sector of the disk. It's completely unnecessary these days. All it really needs to do is write a boot sector, FAT, and root directory. That is why FORMAT has options for QUICK format, which does exactly that: Write only the FAT, root dir and boot sector. Optionally, that combines with making a backup of those areas near the end of the disk, allowing a later UNFORMAT. But of course quick format is quickest without that backup step ;-) Of course both do not work with never-yet-formatted floppies. Eric When formatting a harddisk partition (or flash or whatever the actual medium is), MS FORMAT relies on a correct boot sector already having been created by FDISK. I discovered this not long ago when I tried to resize a partition by tweaking the MBR with a sector editor. I changed a 20GB partition to 60GB. But when I ran FORMAT, it continued to report 20GB. I had to change the size in the partition's boot sector as well. And this is just to perform a slow format. As for quick format, it doesn't work unless the partition has previously been slow-formatted to create a valid FAT. This behavior makes sense in the context of FAT16 where the disk is checked for bad clusters which can then be marked in the FAT. In the context of FAT32, not so much... -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
I like to buy old used chips that can have lots of hidden junk on them. Its best to really clean them. Not a problem with cf chips but sd stuff is really slow. 32 gigs and higher just doesn't make it. cheers DS On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 03:16:35 -0500 TJ Edmister damag...@hyakushiki.net writes: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:29:56 -0500, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Hi! The DOS format utility is kind of an anachronism at this point. Usually it takes a long time to format a partition because it's iterating through every sector of the disk. It's completely unnecessary these days. All it really needs to do is write a boot sector, FAT, and root directory. That is why FORMAT has options for QUICK format, which does exactly that: Write only the FAT, root dir and boot sector. Optionally, that combines with making a backup of those areas near the end of the disk, allowing a later UNFORMAT. But of course quick format is quickest without that backup step ;-) Of course both do not work with never-yet-formatted floppies. Eric When formatting a harddisk partition (or flash or whatever the actual medium is), MS FORMAT relies on a correct boot sector already having been created by FDISK. I discovered this not long ago when I tried to resize a partition by tweaking the MBR with a sector editor. I changed a 20GB partition to 60GB. But when I ran FORMAT, it continued to report 20GB. I had to change the size in the partition's boot sector as well. And this is just to perform a slow format. As for quick format, it doesn't work unless the partition has previously been slow-formatted to create a valid FAT. This behavior makes sense in the context of FAT16 where the disk is checked for bad clusters which can then be marked in the FAT. In the context of FAT32, not so much... - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/54847d501eb0d7d4f66dfmp11duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
The complete format does have one virtue. It wipes the disk if you need to make sure the previous information is gone. bs On Sun, 12/7/14, TJ Edmister damag...@hyakushiki.net wrote: Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60 To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sunday, December 7, 2014, 3:16 AM On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:29:56 -0500, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Hi! The DOS format utility is kind of an anachronism at this point. Usually it takes a long time to format a partition because it's iterating through every sector of the disk. It's completely unnecessary these days. All it really needs to do is write a boot sector, FAT, and root directory. That is why FORMAT has options for QUICK format, which does exactly that: Write only the FAT, root dir and boot sector. Optionally, that combines with making a backup of those areas near the end of the disk, allowing a later UNFORMAT. But of course quick format is quickest without that backup step ;-) Of course both do not work with never-yet-formatted floppies. Eric When formatting a harddisk partition (or flash or whatever the actual medium is), MS FORMAT relies on a correct boot sector already having been created by FDISK. I discovered this not long ago when I tried to resize a partition by tweaking the MBR with a sector editor. I changed a 20GB partition to 60GB. But when I ran FORMAT, it continued to report 20GB. I had to change the size in the partition's boot sector as well. And this is just to perform a slow format. As for quick format, it doesn't work unless the partition has previously been slow-formatted to create a valid FAT. This behavior makes sense in the context of FAT16 where the disk is checked for bad clusters which can then be marked in the FAT. In the context of FAT32, not so much... -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I like to buy old used chips that can have lots of hidden junk on them. Its best to really clean them. Not a problem with cf chips but sd stuff is really slow. 32 gigs and higher just doesn't make it. What hardware are you running? I'll take your word for it that it's an issue in your environment. It's never been an issue here, and I am not running the fastest and most powerful machines. I am actually rather behind the curve. cheers DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Bob Schwier schwepes2...@yahoo.com wrote: The complete format does have one virtue. It wipes the disk if you need to make sure the previous information is gone. If that's a real concern, you need to do more than FORMAT. You need to use one of the programs that write garbage to *every* disk sector. Tools to recover data from accidentally formatted disks have been around as long as DOS has. bs __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
-Original Message- From: dmccunney [mailto:dennis.mccun...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:55 PM To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60 ... When I try to format very large SD chips with DOS; the software just gives up. Small sd chips do format but slowly. Large CF chips format in a few seconds. That's an OS and old hardware issue, It's not inherent to SD. To a certain extent it is. SD has a slower interface than CF does. That's why all high-end cameras use CF rather than SD cards. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
Great answer. I usually have to redo flash chips becuse they're set up for camers at the factory. The small boot program in the mbr is for movie cameras not computers. Left unchanged it could do something unpleasent. SD cards are the worse. DOS starts working then quits on big chips. It gets too far ahead of the chip and decides that its not working and quits. cheers DS On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 02:11:13 -0500 TJ Edmister damag...@hyakushiki.net writes: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 21:13:59 -0500, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I can think of only 2 ways an engineer can get those speeds out of a serial device. A very fast clock or big external buffers. I think DOS could handle a fast clock It is a very fast clock, 1.5 GHz and beyond. It uses differential signaling (two wires to transmit one bit) which is less vulnerable to noise. The IDE interface could not run at such a high frequency because it uses 5V TTL signaling, like an old motherboard bus (or parallel printer port). Except where a motherboard has multiple layers with a ground plane and whatnot to control noise, a ribbon cable doesn't. The 80-conductor ribbon cables have extra ground wires to improve signal integrity and allowed the speed to increase from 16.6MHz (ATA 33) to 66MHz (ATA 133). The original speed for the IDE interface was 1.66MHz (PIO 0). Hypothetically, they could have used high-speed differential signaling AND a connector with multiple bits in parallel for even more speed. This is basically what a PCI-express graphics slot is. but if they use buffers; DOS may not know how to use them like windows or Linux. I never used SATA so I can't say. You would be in good position to know. As far as formating an SD chip; sometimes the format gets corrupted and you need to redo it. DOS just doesn't do well on the big stuff; no problem ever with cf chips. The DOS format utility is kind of an anachronism at this point. Usually it takes a long time to format a partition because it's iterating through every sector of the disk. It's completely unnecessary these days. All it really needs to do is write a boot sector, FAT, and root directory. - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user What's your flood risk? Find flood maps, interactive tools, FAQs, and agents in your area. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/547f21f890abe21f82047mp08duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Dave Kerber dker...@warrenrogersassociates.com wrote: -Original Message- From: dmccunney [mailto:dennis.mccun...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:55 PM To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60 When I try to format very large SD chips with DOS; the software just gives up. Small sd chips do format but slowly. Large CF chips format in a few seconds. That's an OS and old hardware issue, It's not inherent to SD. To a certain extent it is. SD has a slower interface than CF does. That's why all high-end cameras use CF rather than SD cards. I don't think they all do, and there is certainly a lot of animated discussion on photography site about which is better. CF seems to get the nod for potentially higher read/write speeds, especially when shooting video and the concern is whether the storage media can keep up with the data to be stored. I have never seen it being an issue in the sort of usage talked about here. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:40 AM, TJ Edmister damag...@hyakushiki.net wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 07:55:59 -0500, Matej Horvat matej.hor...@guest.arnes.si wrote: Usually when people say HTML5, they mean the audio and video elements,which currently no DOS browser supports. They are a _good_ thing. They make it possible to include audio and video without relying on proprietary technologies such as Flash (which fortunately hardly any site requires anymore, probably because of iOS's popularity). Haha. A simple link to an audio or video file? But that's exactly what the site operators don't want, or they could have done it in the first place. It would be way too easy. Nope. The big incentive to using HTML5 is embedded video. Video was historically encoded for web viewing as Shockwave Flash, and viewing it required Adobe's Flash Player installed as a browser plugin. Adobe Flash Player is a PITA. A while back, Firefox implemented a plugin container executable, to provide a sandbox in which plugins could execute, so a crashing plugin didn't take the browser down with it. Adobe Flash was the main reason they did that. The current trend in browser development is Plugins are bad. The user should be able to do everything in the browser without requiring a plugin. The HTML5 video keyword *does* require a codec to decode and stream the content, but the codec will be delivered with the browser and be part of the browser environment. You don't need a third-party program called from the browser. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
Hi! The DOS format utility is kind of an anachronism at this point. Usually it takes a long time to format a partition because it's iterating through every sector of the disk. It's completely unnecessary these days. All it really needs to do is write a boot sector, FAT, and root directory. That is why FORMAT has options for QUICK format, which does exactly that: Write only the FAT, root dir and boot sector. Optionally, that combines with making a backup of those areas near the end of the disk, allowing a later UNFORMAT. But of course quick format is quickest without that backup step ;-) Of course both do not work with never-yet-formatted floppies. Eric -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 12/2/2014 4:57 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: Serial devices are always slow; I don't know how they get around it. SD cards are serial like SATA and they really are slow. The hard drive clock must be super fast to get those speeds. They also have to transfer handshakes serially. I wonder how its done. Some really great engineering there. Serial in SATA has nothing to do with the serial you seem to refer as in RS-232 serial connections. The higher transfer speed is accomplished by running on extreme high clock cycles for the data signals together with a both a better shielding of the transmitting conductors (2 pairs of them, each transmitting wire separated by one of the 3 ground wires) and limiting the maximum cable length. That's the reason why all SATA connections are direct connections between motherboard and host device, not those ultra long 40 conductors(80 wires) PATA cables. While the initial SATA standard allowed for cables of up to 40in (100cm), you might have noticed (or not) that most SATA cables in a standard PC theses days is no more than 20in/50cm in length... And SD cards are in no way SATA and the reason why they are (relatively) slow has less to do with the way how data is transferred to/from them but with the way how the Flash RAM that those cards consists of is being programmed when written to. That's also why you have a far greater read than write speed on SD cards... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 12/3/2014 8:36 AM, dmccunney wrote: a plugin. The HTML5 video keyword *does* require a codec to decode and stream the content, but the codec will be delivered with the browser and be part of the browser environment. You don't need a third-party program called from the browser. And this is exactly the biggest drawback of this concept, as it allows for an easy ingress route for malicious software to run on the host. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Dave Kerber dker...@warrenrogersassociates.com wrote: When I try to format very large SD chips with DOS; the software just gives up. Small sd chips do format but slowly. Large CF chips format in a few seconds. That's an OS and old hardware issue, It's not inherent to SD. To a certain extent it is. SD has a slower interface than CF does. That's why all high-end cameras use CF rather than SD cards. I don't think they all do, and there is certainly a lot of animated discussion on photography site about which is better. CF seems to get the nod for potentially higher read/write speeds, especially when shooting video and the concern is whether the storage media can keep up with the data to be stored. Yes, there is certainly some overlap between the two media. The newest SD cards are faster than the older CF cards. It also becomes a big issue with fast frame-per-second still cameras when people are shooting bursts. At the high end, that is a far higher data rate than video is (280MBps and up for the newer Canons). The distinction seems to be the intended market. Cameras aimed at consumers will have SD cards. Cameras aimed at pros will favor CF. And form factor is an issue: the small point-and-shoot units aimed at consumers will use SD because an SD card is smaller than a CF card. They couldn't make the camera that small if it used CF. In addition, the consumer camera is increasingly a cell phone with built in camera. The same factors apply even more. (My Android tablet has a 32GB *micro* SD card, again, because it's smaller and takes less space in the device.) SD cards have been steadily increasing in speed, driven in part by the need to keep up with the volume of data being stored by cameras. I bought a PNY SD card for use in a PDA years back, and did a bit of benchmarking. I had cards from Lexar Media, SanDisk, and a few other brands. The PNY card had comparable read speeds with the other brands, but *write* speeds an order of magnitude slower than any of the others. I almost aborted a benchmark thinking the device had hung, when in fact the test was still running. A contact elsewhere commented on similar behavior from a Kingston card. As it happened, both PNY and Kingston used flash media sourced fro Toshiba. (The Lexar Media cards that had the best benchmark sores sourced media from Panasonic.) I have no idea what was different about the Toshiba media to cause that disparity, and I was amused because the PNY was being sold for use in cameras, where keeping up with shutter presses was presumably an issue. I decided to simply buy SanDisk, who made the media they used, rather than worrying about who the vendor might have sourced from and whether it would be an issue, I have never seen it being an issue in the sort of usage talked about here. I can't comment on that; I have no experience with it. I do, to some extent, and can. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/2/2014 6:33 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: FAT16 is limited to 8 gigs but FAT32 goes much higher. I kinda remember Wikopedia saying 2T but could easily be wrong. Excuse me? FAT16 is limited to 2 (two) Gigabyte with the 'standard maximum cluster size of 32KB. IIRC, the 32K maximum cluster size was a limitation in the format utility. With the 64GB cluster size supported by Windows NT 4.0, you could have 4GB for a FAT16 partition, but that is absolutely end of the line. And MS had already implemented FAT32 to get around the 2GB volume size limit, as hard drives increased in size and using FAT16 meant multiple partitions, each with a different drive letter. While you might be *able* to create a 4GB FAT16 volume using Windows NT 4, I can't imagine why you would *want* to. There never was (or can be) an OS that creates 8GB FAT16 partitions. And I am pretty sure that Wikipedia doesn't say anything to the contrary either... It does not. Ralf __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/3/2014 8:36 AM, dmccunney wrote: a plugin. The HTML5 video keyword *does* require a codec to decode and stream the content, but the codec will be delivered with the browser and be part of the browser environment. You don't need a third-party program called from the browser. And this is exactly the biggest drawback of this concept, as it allows for an easy ingress route for malicious software to run on the host. I'm missing something. How does that follow? Ralf __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
-Original Message- From: Ralf Quint [mailto:freedos...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:41 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60 On 12/3/2014 5:23 AM, Dave Kerber wrote: That's an OS and old hardware issue, It's not inherent to SD. To a certain extent it is. SD has a slower interface than CF does. That's why all high-end cameras use CF rather than SD cards. Really? All my clients that use high-end cameras (this is Hollywood just over the hills from me) are using SDHC or SDXC these days. I'm talking about still cameras (DSLR), not video. I know nothing about video cameras, except that their recording speed requirements are noticeably lower than high-end still cameras. CF has only a real advantage that it is royalty free and are in a lot of cases, easier to handle than SD cards where there is an unfortunate trend to the miniSD and microSD formats, which are a pain in the posterior for anyone but a 4 year old toddler to handle because of their size (or rather, the lack thereof). CFs are making a bit of a comeback though in embedded environments, as they come in some more rugged casings and that the latest interface specs is based on PCIexpress, which has become a staple in embedded computing... They have been in Canon's and Nikon's high-end camera bodies for a long time, and continue to be. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/41 40/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 12/3/2014 12:58 PM, dmccunney wrote: On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/2/2014 6:33 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: FAT16 is limited to 8 gigs but FAT32 goes much higher. I kinda remember Wikopedia saying 2T but could easily be wrong. Excuse me? FAT16 is limited to 2 (two) Gigabyte with the 'standard maximum cluster size of 32KB. IIRC, the 32K maximum cluster size was a limitation in the format utility. Nope. You can't access a 64K cluster size FAT16 partition with DOS (or any other FAT16 aware OS other than Windows NT4.0 and Windows 2000) either... With the 64GB cluster size supported by Windows NT 4.0, you could have 4GB for a FAT16 partition, but that is absolutely end of the line. And MS had already implemented FAT32 to get around the 2GB volume size limit, as hard drives increased in size and using FAT16 meant multiple partitions, each with a different drive letter. While you might be *able* to create a 4GB FAT16 volume using Windows NT 4, I can't imagine why you would *want* to. NT4.0 was released before FAT32 was officially released (with Windows 95B). And it is quite useful for any work that reads/writes large chunks of data at once, like video stuff for example. Or SQL server. It is certainly not recommended for a default OS partition, but for specialized cases, it outperforms any other filesystem, in both read and write speed... As the majority of use cases, with the rapid growth of hard disks, doesn't have any such advantage, NTFS became the FS of choice for anything from Windows 2000 on, only Windows 98 and the bad excuse of an OS named Windows ME still had to use FAT32 to allow access to larger drives/partitions. There never was (or can be) an OS that creates 8GB FAT16 partitions. And I am pretty sure that Wikipedia doesn't say anything to the contrary either... It does not. Dale seem to think so, maybe he has an older edition... ;-) Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 12/3/2014 1:01 PM, dmccunney wrote: On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/3/2014 8:36 AM, dmccunney wrote: a plugin. The HTML5 video keyword *does* require a codec to decode and stream the content, but the codec will be delivered with the browser and be part of the browser environment. You don't need a third-party program called from the browser. And this is exactly the biggest drawback of this concept, as it allows for an easy ingress route for malicious software to run on the host. I'm missing something. How does that follow? ...but the codec will be delivered with the browser... --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 12/3/2014 1:04 PM, Dave Kerber wrote: -Original Message- From: Ralf Quint [mailto:freedos...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:41 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60 On 12/3/2014 5:23 AM, Dave Kerber wrote: That's an OS and old hardware issue, It's not inherent to SD. To a certain extent it is. SD has a slower interface than CF does. That's why all high-end cameras use CF rather than SD cards. Really? All my clients that use high-end cameras (this is Hollywood just over the hills from me) are using SDHC or SDXC these days. I'm talking about still cameras (DSLR), not video. Me too. I have an entertainment news agency as a client here in Hollywood and all their paparazzi are using SD cards when transferring data from their cameras to the office picture database. Those are easy obtainable and they can carry a lot of spares just in case some little Canadian snot-face is making news in town. Or some homeless train-wreck former child-star... LOL I know nothing about video cameras, except that their recording speed requirements are noticeably lower than high-end still cameras. Low-end video cameras (in terms of TV/movie recording) are using CF cards for their speed, but a lot of the latest high-end stuff, if they do not still record on film, is using hot-pluggable SATA SSDs for digital recording these days... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 06:44:52 +0100, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote: from Rugxulo: One of the big problems (not counting HTML5 or Javascript or Flash) is HTTPS. Not just for DOS but for any OS that isn't top tier (big three: Mac, Win, Linux). On DOS, Dillo and Links support HTTPS. Even the lighter-weight graphic web browsers for Linux/Unix support Javascript and HTTPS, Mozilla Firefox and Seamonkey, and maybe some others, also support HTML5, but Flash is a big problem. I do not understand why everyone is so deathly afraid of HTML5. HTML5 pages do not magically stop working in HTML 4.01 browsers. HTML5 just adds some new elements, many of which are semantic and can be ignored when rendering a page. Usually when people say HTML5, they mean the audio and video elements, which currently no DOS browser supports. They are a _good_ thing. They make it possible to include audio and video without relying on proprietary technologies such as Flash (which fortunately hardly any site requires anymore, probably because of iOS's popularity). In fact, I am sure Arachne could easily support them by just rendering them as a link and then downloading the audio/video file and starting the appropriate program, like it already does. The audio and video elements pretty much are just an extended version of the old a element that support specifying multiple formats so the browser can choose one depending on what it supports. Of course, the bigger problem is that nobody really works on Arachne anymore (and I'm not blaming anyone). I've thought of buying a cheap refurbished SATA hard drive, maybe 80 GB or 160 GB, to install FreeDOS and ReactOS, and maybe OpenBSD in the remaining space, using MBR, but FreeDOS and ReactOS might be bitchy about having to be on the first partition, and then there is the limitation on FAT32 partition size; 4 KB cluster size goes up to 8GB. I don't know for ReactOS, but FreeDOS is perfectly fine with not being on the first partition. I have it installed on a disk which also has an NTFS and a BFS (Haiku) partition and everything works as it should. Why is cluster size a problem? If you have such a large disk then you probably don't care about wasting more than 4K on a small file. And it's not like [Free]DOS really requires more than a few megabytes anyway. According to Wikipedia, FAT32 can support partitions up to 2 TB with 512-byte sectors, or 16 TB with 4K sectors, but I think Windows won't let you create a partition of that size. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
I have used the boot manager from XFdisk or Grub 2 and have installed FreeDOS on the 2nd, 3rd and/or last partition following the three (root, home swap) that the ubuntu derivatives require. The the minimum FreeDOS FAT32 partition I have used is 4GB, the max is about 40gb (on a 320gb drive) the average installation is 2gb for a DOS/WIN 3.1 installation, 12GB for FreeDOS (on which most old DOS downloads are stored). I am sure as long as you have some manager that is capable of the 3-4 primary partitions, that your desired setup will work fine. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Matej Horvat matej.hor...@guest.arnes.si wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 06:44:52 +0100, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote: from Rugxulo: One of the big problems (not counting HTML5 or Javascript or Flash) is HTTPS. Not just for DOS but for any OS that isn't top tier (big three: Mac, Win, Linux). On DOS, Dillo and Links support HTTPS. Even the lighter-weight graphic web browsers for Linux/Unix support Javascript and HTTPS, Mozilla Firefox and Seamonkey, and maybe some others, also support HTML5, but Flash is a big problem. I do not understand why everyone is so deathly afraid of HTML5. HTML5 pages do not magically stop working in HTML 4.01 browsers. HTML5 just adds some new elements, many of which are semantic and can be ignored when rendering a page. Usually when people say HTML5, they mean the audio and video elements, which currently no DOS browser supports. They are a _good_ thing. They make it possible to include audio and video without relying on proprietary technologies such as Flash (which fortunately hardly any site requires anymore, probably because of iOS's popularity). In fact, I am sure Arachne could easily support them by just rendering them as a link and then downloading the audio/video file and starting the appropriate program, like it already does. The audio and video elements pretty much are just an extended version of the old a element that support specifying multiple formats so the browser can choose one depending on what it supports. Of course, the bigger problem is that nobody really works on Arachne anymore (and I'm not blaming anyone). I've thought of buying a cheap refurbished SATA hard drive, maybe 80 GB or 160 GB, to install FreeDOS and ReactOS, and maybe OpenBSD in the remaining space, using MBR, but FreeDOS and ReactOS might be bitchy about having to be on the first partition, and then there is the limitation on FAT32 partition size; 4 KB cluster size goes up to 8GB. I don't know for ReactOS, but FreeDOS is perfectly fine with not being on the first partition. I have it installed on a disk which also has an NTFS and a BFS (Haiku) partition and everything works as it should. Why is cluster size a problem? If you have such a large disk then you probably don't care about wasting more than 4K on a small file. And it's not like [Free]DOS really requires more than a few megabytes anyway. According to Wikipedia, FAT32 can support partitions up to 2 TB with 512-byte sectors, or 16 TB with 4K sectors, but I think Windows won't let you create a partition of that size. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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FAT16 is limited to 8 gigs but FAT32 goes much higher. I kinda remember Wikopedia saying 2T but could easily be wrong. DOS might have problems with SATA drive. DOS reads from the harddrive a lot. Since SATA is serial (just one bit at a time) The data ransfer rate might be too slow for DOS to live with. I know I can't get it to run on a SD card because one bit at a time is just too slow. You won't know until you try it. cheers DS On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 05:44:52 + Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com writes: from Rugxulo: One of the big problems (not counting HTML5 or Javascript or Flash) is HTTPS. Not just for DOS but for any OS that isn't top tier (big three: Mac, Win, Linux). It has recently come to my attention that many popular websites are now requiring it, which makes it very hard to operate unless your web browser can support it. And, in case it wasn't obvious, there are only a handful of modern web browsers (and host OSes) that work for such modern needs. Thus, anything that isn't top tier (Firefox, Chrome, IE, Safari) is practically ignored / banned. And even some of those are struggling. We're lucky just to have anything that halfway works anymore (mTCP, Dillo, Links, Arachne). Even the lighter-weight graphic web browsers for Linux/Unix support Javascript and HTTPS, Mozilla Firefox and Seamonkey, and maybe some others, also support HTML5, but Flash is a big problem. Mozilla Firefox and Seamonkey run on BSD as well as Linux. FreeBSD ports also includes Netsurf, Qupzilla, Midori and Epiphany; KDE includes Konqueror; Javascript and HTTPS are supported. I never downloaded the newest Arachne from March 2013 for lack of ability to run it. I notice Net-Tamer for DOS hasn't been updated since 1999; even Netscape and Internet Explorer from that time would be very limited in function. from Dale E Sterner: According to wikopedia GPT is a king sized version of MBR. Can you try a smaller hardrive that uses a MBR? If your bios can still boot a hard drive with a MBR. I've thought of buying a cheap refurbished SATA hard drive, maybe 80 GB or 160 GB, to install FreeDOS and ReactOS, and maybe OpenBSD in the remaining space, using MBR, but FreeDOS and ReactOS might be bitchy about having to be on the first partition, and then there is the limitation on FAT32 partition size; 4 KB cluster size goes up to 8GB. Tom - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/547dca98c3c564a955165mp05duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
DOS might have problems with SATA drive. DOS reads from the harddrive a lot. Since SATA is serial (just one bit at a time) The data ransfer rate might be too slow for DOS to live with. I know I can't get it to run on a SD card because one bit at a time is just too slow. back in the good old times, when DOS was popular, PATA disk drives used PIO for transfer, which is limited to (less then) 8 MB/sec. currently, SATA hard disks transfer up to 120 MB/sec and SATA SSDs transfer ~500 MB/sec. this should be fast enough even for DOS. You won't know until you try it. I don't have the faintest idea what you are doing wrong, but you are doing it the wrong anyway. Tom -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: FAT16 is limited to 8 gigs but FAT32 goes much higher. I kinda remember Wikopedia saying 2T but could easily be wrong. FAT16 is limited to a 2GB volume size. FAT32 goes up to 8TB. In FAT*, the basic unit of space it the cluster, and there will be a limit on the number of clusters. Each cluster must have a unique address. FAT16 uses a 16 bit cluster address, so there are 65,536 possible clusters. The maximum size a cluster can be is 32KB. 65,536 x 32KB = 2,097,152 bytes FAT32 uses a 32 bit cluster address, so there are 268,435,445 possible clusters. Again, the maximum size a cluster can be is 32KB. 268,435,445 x 32KB = 8,589,934,240 bytes If you are trying to format the drive as FAT32 from within Windows, there may be limitations on volume size imposed by the MS format utility. DOS might have problems with SATA drive. DOS reads from the harddrive a lot. Since SATA is serial (just one bit at a time) The data ransfer rate might be too slow for DOS to live with. You really need to update your knowledge. While it seems counter-intuitive, current SATA drives are much *faster* than IDE drives, with higher data transfer rates. *Getting* that throughput was a major reason behind the shift to SATA. I know I can't get it to run on a SD card because one bit at a time is just too slow. You won't know until you try it. SATA != SD. There is no reason inherent to the card why SD should be slower than CF. In fact, the reverse is generally true. Variables will include native card speed (some SD cards are faster than others), the adapter you are using, and the host hardware and OS. I've run stuff from SD cards here just fine. cheers DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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This is getting highly off-topic, but I couldn't resist commenting on. :) On 12/02/2014 05:02 PM, dmccunney wrote: FAT32 uses a 32 bit cluster address, so there are 268,435,445 possible clusters. The above statement might sound confusing for the occasional reader. To straighten things up: FAT32 actually uses 28 bit cluster addresses (that it stores inside 32 bit blocks, but this is irrelevant for the subject discussed), which gives us 2^28 possible clusters (268'435'456). Mateusz -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote: This is getting highly off-topic, but I couldn't resist commenting on. :) On 12/02/2014 05:02 PM, dmccunney wrote: FAT32 uses a 32 bit cluster address, so there are 268,435,445 possible clusters. The above statement might sound confusing for the occasional reader. To straighten things up: FAT32 actually uses 28 bit cluster addresses (that it stores inside 32 bit blocks, but this is irrelevant for the subject discussed), which gives us 2^28 possible clusters (268'435'456). True, and thanks for the correction. Mateusz __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Serial devices are always slow; I don't know how they get around it. SD cards are serial like SATA and they really are slow. The hard drive clock must be super fast to get those speeds. They also have to transfer handshakes serially. I wonder how its done. Some really great engineering there. cheers DS On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 17:00:49 +0100 Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de writes: DOS might have problems with SATA drive. DOS reads from the harddrive a lot. Since SATA is serial (just one bit at a time) The data ransfer rate might be too slow for DOS to live with. I know I can't get it to run on a SD card because one bit at a time is just too slow. back in the good old times, when DOS was popular, PATA disk drives used PIO for transfer, which is limited to (less then) 8 MB/sec. currently, SATA hard disks transfer up to 120 MB/sec and SATA SSDs transfer ~500 MB/sec. this should be fast enough even for DOS. You won't know until you try it. I don't have the faintest idea what you are doing wrong, but you are doing it the wrong anyway. Tom - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user $1,200 Instant #34;Dividend#34; This woman collects $1,200 instant dividends with just a few mouse clicks http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/547e5da564e3f5da53787mp06duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Tranferings 1 bit at a time is always slower than 8 bits at a time. if the clock stays the same for both. How SATA beats this is something I don't understand. SATA doesn't have seperate handshaking outputs so handshkes have to travel the same serial lines. Quit a feat of engineering there. When I try to format very large SD chips with DOS; the software just gives up. Small sd chips do format but slowly. Large CF chips format in a few seconds. cheers DS.. On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:02:56 -0500 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: FAT16 is limited to 8 gigs but FAT32 goes much higher. I kinda remember Wikopedia saying 2T but could easily be wrong. FAT16 is limited to a 2GB volume size. FAT32 goes up to 8TB. In FAT*, the basic unit of space it the cluster, and there will be a limit on the number of clusters. Each cluster must have a unique address. FAT16 uses a 16 bit cluster address, so there are 65,536 possible clusters. The maximum size a cluster can be is 32KB. 65,536 x 32KB = 2,097,152 bytes FAT32 uses a 32 bit cluster address, so there are 268,435,445 possible clusters. Again, the maximum size a cluster can be is 32KB. 268,435,445 x 32KB = 8,589,934,240 bytes If you are trying to format the drive as FAT32 from within Windows, there may be limitations on volume size imposed by the MS format utility. DOS might have problems with SATA drive. DOS reads from the harddrive a lot. Since SATA is serial (just one bit at a time) The data ransfer rate might be too slow for DOS to live with. You really need to update your knowledge. While it seems counter-intuitive, current SATA drives are much *faster* than IDE drives, with higher data transfer rates. *Getting* that throughput was a major reason behind the shift to SATA. I know I can't get it to run on a SD card because one bit at a time is just too slow. You won't know until you try it. SATA != SD. There is no reason inherent to the card why SD should be slower than CF. In fact, the reverse is generally true. Variables will include native card speed (some SD cards are faster than others), the adapter you are using, and the host hardware and OS. I've run stuff from SD cards here just fine. cheers DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Buffett#39;s Top 5 Stocks Go here to get Buffett#39;s Top 5 Stocks, plus his 16 latest buys, FREE http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/547e5da58ec6f5da53787mp06duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Tranferings 1 bit at a time is always slower than 8 bits at a time. if the clock stays the same for both. How SATA beats this is something I don't understand. SATA doesn't have seperate handshaking outputs so handshkes have to travel the same serial lines. Quit a feat of engineering there. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA Did you stop learning about the technology once you learned enough about DOS to do what you wanted? A lot of what you post here seems to be based on 25 year old ideas about how this stuff works. The technology has progressed a bit, and you seem to be making assumptions that may not be true for current hardware and OSes. When I try to format very large SD chips with DOS; the software just gives up. Small sd chips do format but slowly. Large CF chips format in a few seconds. That's an OS and old hardware issue, It's not inherent to SD. And it's not clear why you would *need* to format an SD card of any size. Depending on volume size, they come formatted as FAT16 or FAT32. I've formatted them for other reasons, like using a Linux ext3 file system or NTFS. I put the card into an SD adapter and do the format from my desktop machine. It's quite quick, thanks. cheers DS.. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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I can think of only 2 ways an engineer can get those speeds out of a serial device. A very fast clock or big external buffers. I think DOS could handle a fast clock but if they use buffers; DOS may not know how to use them like windows or Linux. I never used SATA so I can't say. You would be in good position to know. As far as formating an SD chip; sometimes the format gets corrupted and you need to redo it. DOS just doesn't do well on the big stuff; no problem ever with cf chips. cheers DS On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 20:54:49 -0500 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Tranferings 1 bit at a time is always slower than 8 bits at a time. if the clock stays the same for both. How SATA beats this is something I don't understand. SATA doesn't have seperate handshaking outputs so handshkes have to travel the same serial lines. Quit a feat of engineering there. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA Did you stop learning about the technology once you learned enough about DOS to do what you wanted? A lot of what you post here seems to be based on 25 year old ideas about how this stuff works. The technology has progressed a bit, and you seem to be making assumptions that may not be true for current hardware and OSes. When I try to format very large SD chips with DOS; the software just gives up. Small sd chips do format but slowly. Large CF chips format in a few seconds. That's an OS and old hardware issue, It's not inherent to SD. And it's not clear why you would *need* to format an SD card of any size. Depending on volume size, they come formatted as FAT16 or FAT32. I've formatted them for other reasons, like using a Linux ext3 file system or NTFS. I put the card into an SD adapter and do the format from my desktop machine. It's quite quick, thanks. cheers DS.. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Are YOU Dumb? Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? 79% Of Users Failed This Quiz! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/547e6e549e1766e5422demp01duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 21:13:59 -0500, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I can think of only 2 ways an engineer can get those speeds out of a serial device. A very fast clock or big external buffers. I think DOS could handle a fast clock It is a very fast clock, 1.5 GHz and beyond. It uses differential signaling (two wires to transmit one bit) which is less vulnerable to noise. The IDE interface could not run at such a high frequency because it uses 5V TTL signaling, like an old motherboard bus (or parallel printer port). Except where a motherboard has multiple layers with a ground plane and whatnot to control noise, a ribbon cable doesn't. The 80-conductor ribbon cables have extra ground wires to improve signal integrity and allowed the speed to increase from 16.6MHz (ATA 33) to 66MHz (ATA 133). The original speed for the IDE interface was 1.66MHz (PIO 0). Hypothetically, they could have used high-speed differential signaling AND a connector with multiple bits in parallel for even more speed. This is basically what a PCI-express graphics slot is. but if they use buffers; DOS may not know how to use them like windows or Linux. I never used SATA so I can't say. You would be in good position to know. As far as formating an SD chip; sometimes the format gets corrupted and you need to redo it. DOS just doesn't do well on the big stuff; no problem ever with cf chips. The DOS format utility is kind of an anachronism at this point. Usually it takes a long time to format a partition because it's iterating through every sector of the disk. It's completely unnecessary these days. All it really needs to do is write a boot sector, FAT, and root directory. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 07:55:59 -0500, Matej Horvat matej.hor...@guest.arnes.si wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 06:44:52 +0100, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote: from Rugxulo: One of the big problems (not counting HTML5 or Javascript or Flash) is HTTPS. Not just for DOS but for any OS that isn't top tier (big three: Mac, Win, Linux). On DOS, Dillo and Links support HTTPS. Even the lighter-weight graphic web browsers for Linux/Unix support Javascript and HTTPS, Mozilla Firefox and Seamonkey, and maybe some others, also support HTML5, but Flash is a big problem. I do not understand why everyone is so deathly afraid of HTML5. HTML5 pages do not magically stop working in HTML 4.01 browsers. HTML5 just adds some new elements, many of which are semantic and can be ignored when rendering a page. According to wiki, HTML 4.01 dates back to 2001, so technically there are huge number of HTML 4.01 browsers when including the various versions released since 2001. CSS is probably the biggest reason for websites not working right in any case. Some sites are completely reliant on Javascript and are useless otherwise, but I have seen a few that will still work right in an old browser. Tons and tons of sites don't render properly or at all, with or without JS, because of CSS issues. Sometimes I go into a page's source code and delete or edit sections to make it display. Usually when people say HTML5, they mean the audio and video elements, which currently no DOS browser supports. They are a _good_ thing. They make it possible to include audio and video without relying on proprietary technologies such as Flash (which fortunately hardly any site requires anymore, probably because of iOS's popularity). In fact, I am sure Arachne could easily support them by just rendering them as a link and then downloading the audio/video file and starting the appropriate program, like it already does. The audio and video elements pretty much are just an extended version of the old a element that support specifying multiple formats so the browser can choose one depending on what it supports. Haha. A simple link to an audio or video file? But that's exactly what the site operators don't want, or they could have done it in the first place. It would be way too easy. In Opera version 4, one could click a link to an AVI file and it would download and play in the browser window. Of course, since an AVI file has the index chunk at the end, the whole thing had to transfer before playback could begin. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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I only use windows to get on the web for just about everything else I use DOS. My software is all loaded on cf chips and I can switch between them very quickly. Tried to reproduce what I do on Qpro with windows Excell but found it too difficult to do. Qpro is loaded with powerful macro commands with no equivalent on Excell. Excell macro commands don't work well; you have to write Excell macros with visual basic - just too much work. I like Wordperfect dos better than Word - just too much to learn. cheers DS On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:10:31 -0500 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I got it to download finally. It seems that it doesn't like Opera. I tried IE and it worked. I wonder why it hates Opera. Opera always worked before. I have no idea. Which version of Opera? As far as dos goes I use it for alot. Qpro for book keeping, Wordperfect for letters etc and Quickview to do my camera pics. with QV you can stop a movie on a frame and capture a still to print. Mister, you're a better man than I. I migrated to Windows and Linux long ago. There are still a few old DOS apps I use, and I'm currently playing with a fork of DOSBox called vDos under 64 bit Windows to run them. I play with FreeDOS for fun and to keep my hand in. I haven't tried to use DOS as my production OS for over 25 years. Too much of what I do now simply can't be done in DOS, and some that can is simply more trouble to do it that way than it's worth. If what you have suits your needs, more power to you. It would not suit mine. thanx DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Get Athena Pheromones Enjoy more affection! Biologist Winnifred Cutler#39;s unscented formulas. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/547c7f53c49a17f533cd7mp05duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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I really miss a word perfect clone, working on text console but with some updated features like support for png and svg images, export to html... El 01/12/2014 10:37, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com escribió: I only use windows to get on the web for just about everything else I use DOS. My software is all loaded on cf chips and I can switch between them very quickly. Tried to reproduce what I do on Qpro with windows Excell but found it too difficult to do. Qpro is loaded with powerful macro commands with no equivalent on Excell. Excell macro commands don't work well; you have to write Excell macros with visual basic - just too much work. I like Wordperfect dos better than Word - just too much to learn. cheers DS On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:10:31 -0500 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I got it to download finally. It seems that it doesn't like Opera. I tried IE and it worked. I wonder why it hates Opera. Opera always worked before. I have no idea. Which version of Opera? As far as dos goes I use it for alot. Qpro for book keeping, Wordperfect for letters etc and Quickview to do my camera pics. with QV you can stop a movie on a frame and capture a still to print. Mister, you're a better man than I. I migrated to Windows and Linux long ago. There are still a few old DOS apps I use, and I'm currently playing with a fork of DOSBox called vDos under 64 bit Windows to run them. I play with FreeDOS for fun and to keep my hand in. I haven't tried to use DOS as my production OS for over 25 years. Too much of what I do now simply can't be done in DOS, and some that can is simply more trouble to do it that way than it's worth. If what you have suits your needs, more power to you. It would not suit mine. thanx DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Get Athena Pheromones Enjoy more affection! Biologist Winnifred Cutler#39;s unscented formulas. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/547c7f53c49a17f533cd7mp05duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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My needs are simple and dos does just about everything that I need done. Qpro has 50 years worth of records on it. It tells me how much I spent or saved. It would be hard to do without it especially at tax time. cheers DS On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:08:59 -0500 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I only use windows to get on the web for just about everything else I use DOS. I could not do so. My software is all loaded on cf chips and I can switch between them very quickly. Windows, Linux, and applications here are all installed on a Crucial solid state drive, and things are blindingly fast. Tried to reproduce what I do on Qpro with windows Excell but found it too difficult to do. Qpro is loaded with powerful macro commands with no equivalent on Excell. Excell macro commands don't work well; you have to write Excell macros with visual basic - just too much work. Just too much work is a dangerous notion. You don't switch because you don't want to take the time and trouble involved in learning the new software. But you reach the point where what you have to do to keep using the old software may be more work than switching to something more modern would have been had you been willing to do it. I like Wordperfect dos better than Word - just too much to learn. I know folks who still stubbornly cling to WordStar, which was my preference back when. You can *do* it, with things like DOSBox or vDOS, but it gets rapidly into more trouble than it's worth territory. I have MS Word, Libre Office Writer, and a few other things here, and sometimes use Google Docs. But I actually spend most time in a text editor. Very little of what I do will be printed out, and I don't need the features word processors offer to control what the printed output will *look* like. The occasions where I *do* need that are for things that will be reproduced in quantity, and for that, a word processor is insufficient. I need a full DTP program, and there's nothing in DOS that will meet my needs. cheers DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/547cdca7ccfd65ca755dcmp08duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On 11/30/2014 2:00 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: I got it to download finally. It seems that it doesn't like Opera. I tried IE and it worked. I wonder why it hates Opera. Opera always worked before. Just tried it with Opera 26 and it worked just fine as well... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hi, On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:22 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote: from dmccunney: I can't run FreeDOS or any other DOS from hard drive because of GPT; only way is if I can install to a USB stick using FAT32 and get that to boot. You never tried UNetBootIn or RUFUS? Maybe you could ask www.osdisc.com to custom-build you one. I can't access the Internet from DOS because of lack of driver for modern Ethernet chip. Conceivably I could boot FreeDOS by NFS and even run from big ext4fs partition. I don't even try. Even if I could, DOS browser support is lacking. Yes, Arachne exists, but web standards have changed to the point where many sites simply won't work in it. Even if I could access the Internet from FreeDOS booting through NFS, applications are far behind what is available for Linux and the BSDs, meaning essentially an exercise in frustration. Precisely. Main purpose for accessing the Internet from FreeDOS would be to see if it's possible. It may be *possible*. What you could do once you had would be another matter. One of the big problems (not counting HTML5 or Javascript or Flash) is HTTPS. Not just for DOS but for any OS that isn't top tier (big three: Mac, Win, Linux). It has recently come to my attention that many popular websites are now requiring it, which makes it very hard to operate unless your web browser can support it. And, in case it wasn't obvious, there are only a handful of modern web browsers (and host OSes) that work for such modern needs. Thus, anything that isn't top tier (Firefox, Chrome, IE, Safari) is practically ignored / banned. And even some of those are struggling. We're lucky just to have anything that halfway works anymore (mTCP, Dillo, Links, Arachne). I never heard of vDos fork of DOSBox, can't find it in either FreeBSD ports or NetBSD pkgsrc, emulators category. It doesn't exist there. vDos is specific to Windows, and intended to support 16 bit character mode DOS apps in a 64bit Windows environment. Because it's intended for character mode business apps, it drops a lot of stuff in DOSBox intended to support MSDOS games. It works fine here to run things like WordStar 7 under Windows 7 Pro 64 bit. If what you run is Linux or *BSD, DOSBox is your option. DOSBox hasn't had a proper release in over four years. It's very good and portable but slow. I don't know the exact original motivation they had for writing it. Obviously games games games, but still, I assume it wasn't meant for x86 host only or Windows only. Of course you could have it much faster and more compatible, in theory. I keep whining about VT-X, but nobody here seems to know or care what it is. We've already got several emulators (hypervisors: VirtualBox, Hyper-V, bhyve) using it, and it's indeed better and faster than software only emulation. (Though that doesn't mean DOS runs well there by default: haven't tried except VBox.) Even Bochs, while not (AFAIK) using VT-X, seems to heavily prefer SSE2 (SIMD) compiles these days just for faster speed. But the problem again is that not everybody has all these (cpu, OS) features, so they can't just use it. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
According to wikopedia GPT is a king sized version of MBR. Can you try a smaller hardrive that uses a MBR? If your bios can still boot a hard drive with a MBR. cheers DS On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:46:17 -0600 Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com writes: Hi, On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:22 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote: from dmccunney: I can't run FreeDOS or any other DOS from hard drive because of GPT; only way is if I can install to a USB stick using FAT32 and get that to boot. You never tried UNetBootIn or RUFUS? Maybe you could ask www.osdisc.com to custom-build you one. I can't access the Internet from DOS because of lack of driver for modern Ethernet chip. Conceivably I could boot FreeDOS by NFS and even run from big ext4fs partition. I don't even try. Even if I could, DOS browser support is lacking. Yes, Arachne exists, but web standards have changed to the point where many sites simply won't work in it. Even if I could access the Internet from FreeDOS booting through NFS, applications are far behind what is available for Linux and the BSDs, meaning essentially an exercise in frustration. Precisely. Main purpose for accessing the Internet from FreeDOS would be to see if it's possible. It may be *possible*. What you could do once you had would be another matter. One of the big problems (not counting HTML5 or Javascript or Flash) is HTTPS. Not just for DOS but for any OS that isn't top tier (big three: Mac, Win, Linux). It has recently come to my attention that many popular websites are now requiring it, which makes it very hard to operate unless your web browser can support it. And, in case it wasn't obvious, there are only a handful of modern web browsers (and host OSes) that work for such modern needs. Thus, anything that isn't top tier (Firefox, Chrome, IE, Safari) is practically ignored / banned. And even some of those are struggling. We're lucky just to have anything that halfway works anymore (mTCP, Dillo, Links, Arachne). I never heard of vDos fork of DOSBox, can't find it in either FreeBSD ports or NetBSD pkgsrc, emulators category. It doesn't exist there. vDos is specific to Windows, and intended to support 16 bit character mode DOS apps in a 64bit Windows environment. Because it's intended for character mode business apps, it drops a lot of stuff in DOSBox intended to support MSDOS games. It works fine here to run things like WordStar 7 under Windows 7 Pro 64 bit. If what you run is Linux or *BSD, DOSBox is your option. DOSBox hasn't had a proper release in over four years. It's very good and portable but slow. I don't know the exact original motivation they had for writing it. Obviously games games games, but still, I assume it wasn't meant for x86 host only or Windows only. Of course you could have it much faster and more compatible, in theory. I keep whining about VT-X, but nobody here seems to know or care what it is. We've already got several emulators (hypervisors: VirtualBox, Hyper-V, bhyve) using it, and it's indeed better and faster than software only emulation. (Though that doesn't mean DOS runs well there by default: haven't tried except VBox.) Even Bochs, while not (AFAIK) using VT-X, seems to heavily prefer SSE2 (SIMD) compiles these days just for faster speed. But the problem again is that not everybody has all these (cpu, OS) features, so they can't just use it. - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Extended Stay America Official Site. Free WIFI, Kitchens. Our best rates here, guaranteed. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/547d1aa1e8cf11aa178e5mp02duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
from Rugxulo: One of the big problems (not counting HTML5 or Javascript or Flash) is HTTPS. Not just for DOS but for any OS that isn't top tier (big three: Mac, Win, Linux). It has recently come to my attention that many popular websites are now requiring it, which makes it very hard to operate unless your web browser can support it. And, in case it wasn't obvious, there are only a handful of modern web browsers (and host OSes) that work for such modern needs. Thus, anything that isn't top tier (Firefox, Chrome, IE, Safari) is practically ignored / banned. And even some of those are struggling. We're lucky just to have anything that halfway works anymore (mTCP, Dillo, Links, Arachne). Even the lighter-weight graphic web browsers for Linux/Unix support Javascript and HTTPS, Mozilla Firefox and Seamonkey, and maybe some others, also support HTML5, but Flash is a big problem. Mozilla Firefox and Seamonkey run on BSD as well as Linux. FreeBSD ports also includes Netsurf, Qupzilla, Midori and Epiphany; KDE includes Konqueror; Javascript and HTTPS are supported. I never downloaded the newest Arachne from March 2013 for lack of ability to run it. I notice Net-Tamer for DOS hasn't been updated since 1999; even Netscape and Internet Explorer from that time would be very limited in function. from Dale E Sterner: According to wikopedia GPT is a king sized version of MBR. Can you try a smaller hardrive that uses a MBR? If your bios can still boot a hard drive with a MBR. I've thought of buying a cheap refurbished SATA hard drive, maybe 80 GB or 160 GB, to install FreeDOS and ReactOS, and maybe OpenBSD in the remaining space, using MBR, but FreeDOS and ReactOS might be bitchy about having to be on the first partition, and then there is the limitation on FAT32 partition size; 4 KB cluster size goes up to 8GB. Tom -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: When you pay for the software he gives you a special link with a password. I assumed something like that. Have you tried the s command on a movie. I paid him $100 to add it. I use it on home movies. I can stop the movie at a good spot and save the frame. Instead of taking alot of stills I just make an avi movie and save the good frames for printing out. Never miss a shot that way. I can catch someone in mid air. That's a nice feature, but I haven't tried to use it, and don't use QuickView. Video here is one of the things Windows and Linux are for. I don't *try* to do it in DOS. What I do in DOS is pure console character mode. (There are a variety of things that technically *can* be done in DOS but are more trouble than it's worth to do so.) Will have to try a library computer; perhaps my dial up is too slow That's a good bet. The issue may be on the end of whatever you connect to when you dial up. I used Juno a long time ago, and remember redialing multiple times to get a reliable 53K dialup, since the speed of the established connection was luck of the draw. I have a 100mbps cable connection, and it's been years since I tried to use dial up for anything. (And I *couldn't* now - my phone service is VOIP via my cable co. Verizon is doing its best to make copper go away and migrate everything to fiber, and I don't blame them a bit.) cheers DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
I got it to download finally. It seems that it doesn't like Opera. I tried IE and it worked. I wonder why it hates Opera. Opera always worked before. As far as dos goes I use it for alot. Qpro for book keeping, Wordperfect for letters etc and Quickview to do my camera pics. with QV you can stop a movie on a frame and capture a still to print. thanx DS On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:18:24 -0500 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: When you pay for the software he gives you a special link with a password. I assumed something like that. Have you tried the s command on a movie. I paid him $100 to add it. I use it on home movies. I can stop the movie at a good spot and save the frame. Instead of taking alot of stills I just make an avi movie and save the good frames for printing out. Never miss a shot that way. I can catch someone in mid air. That's a nice feature, but I haven't tried to use it, and don't use QuickView. Video here is one of the things Windows and Linux are for. I don't *try* to do it in DOS. What I do in DOS is pure console character mode. (There are a variety of things that technically *can* be done in DOS but are more trouble than it's worth to do so.) Will have to try a library computer; perhaps my dial up is too slow That's a good bet. The issue may be on the end of whatever you connect to when you dial up. I used Juno a long time ago, and remember redialing multiple times to get a reliable 53K dialup, since the speed of the established connection was luck of the draw. I have a 100mbps cable connection, and it's been years since I tried to use dial up for anything. (And I *couldn't* now - my phone service is VOIP via my cable co. Verizon is doing its best to make copper go away and migrate everything to fiber, and I don't blame them a bit.) cheers DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user What's your flood risk? Find flood maps, interactive tools, FAQs, and agents in your area. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/547b911126d413721mp02duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I got it to download finally. It seems that it doesn't like Opera. I tried IE and it worked. I wonder why it hates Opera. Opera always worked before. I have no idea. Which version of Opera? As far as dos goes I use it for alot. Qpro for book keeping, Wordperfect for letters etc and Quickview to do my camera pics. with QV you can stop a movie on a frame and capture a still to print. Mister, you're a better man than I. I migrated to Windows and Linux long ago. There are still a few old DOS apps I use, and I'm currently playing with a fork of DOSBox called vDos under 64 bit Windows to run them. I play with FreeDOS for fun and to keep my hand in. I haven't tried to use DOS as my production OS for over 25 years. Too much of what I do now simply can't be done in DOS, and some that can is simply more trouble to do it that way than it's worth. If what you have suits your needs, more power to you. It would not suit mine. thanx DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
from dmccunney: Mister, you're a better man than I. I migrated to Windows and Linux long ago. There are still a few old DOS apps I use, and I'm currently playing with a fork of DOSBox called vDos under 64 bit Windows to run them. I play with FreeDOS for fun and to keep my hand in. I haven't tried to use DOS as my production OS for over 25 years. Too much of what I do now simply can't be done in DOS, and some that can is simply more trouble to do it that way than it's worth. If what you have suits your needs, more power to you. It would not suit mine. I understand what you mean. I still have and use Quattro Pro 5 for DOS but am migrating to Gnumeric. I can't run FreeDOS or any other DOS from hard drive because of GPT; only way is if I can install to a USB stick using FAT32 and get that to boot. I can't access the Internet from DOS because of lack of driver for modern Ethernet chip. Conceivably I could boot FreeDOS by NFS and even run from big ext4fs partition. I use FreeBSD and NetBSD now, plan to build installations for Linux and Haiku. Even if I could access the Internet from FreeDOS booting through NFS, applications are far behind what is available for Linux and the BSDs, meaning essentially an exercise in frustration. Main purpose for accessing the Internet from FreeDOS would be to see if it's possible. I never heard of vDos fork of DOSBox, can't find it in either FreeBSD ports or NetBSD pkgsrc, emulators category. Tom -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote: from dmccunney: Mister, you're a better man than I. I migrated to Windows and Linux long ago. There are still a few old DOS apps I use, and I'm currently playing with a fork of DOSBox called vDos under 64 bit Windows to run them. I play with FreeDOS for fun and to keep my hand in. I haven't tried to use DOS as my production OS for over 25 years. Too much of what I do now simply can't be done in DOS, and some that can is simply more trouble to do it that way than it's worth. If what you have suits your needs, more power to you. It would not suit mine. I understand what you mean. I still have and use Quattro Pro 5 for DOS but am migrating to Gnumeric. Gnumeric is one option. LibreOffice/Open Office is another. I'm making increasing use of Google Sheets. I can't run FreeDOS or any other DOS from hard drive because of GPT; only way is if I can install to a USB stick using FAT32 and get that to boot. That doesn't bite here - the box FreeDOS lives on is an ancient notebook set to multi-boot Win2K Pro, a couple of flavors of Linux, and FreeDOS. GPT is not in the picture. I can't access the Internet from DOS because of lack of driver for modern Ethernet chip. Conceivably I could boot FreeDOS by NFS and even run from big ext4fs partition. I don't even try. Even if I could, DOS browser support is lacking. Yes, Arachne exists, but web standards have changed to the point where many sites simply won't work in it. On the multiboot machine where FreeDOS lives, Linux can see the NTFS slice where Windows is installed, and an open source Windows driver lets it read/write the ext4 slices where the Linux flavors are installed. Windows and Linux can both read/write the FAT32 slice where FreeDOS lives. FreeDOS can only see its own slice, but I don't care. I have no need to access NTFS or ext4 from DOS. I use FreeBSD and NetBSD now, plan to build installations for Linux and Haiku. Okay. Even if I could access the Internet from FreeDOS booting through NFS, applications are far behind what is available for Linux and the BSDs, meaning essentially an exercise in frustration. Precisely. Main purpose for accessing the Internet from FreeDOS would be to see if it's possible. It may be *possible*. What you could do once you had would be another matter. I never heard of vDos fork of DOSBox, can't find it in either FreeBSD ports or NetBSD pkgsrc, emulators category. It doesn't exist there. vDos is specific to Windows, and intended to support 16 bit character mode DOS apps in a 64bit Windows environment. Because it's intended for character mode business apps, it drops a lot of stuff in DOSBox intended to support MSDOS games. It works fine here to run things like WordStar 7 under Windows 7 Pro 64 bit. If what you run is Linux or *BSD, DOSBox is your option. Tom __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
Tried to download version 2.60 from the registered user site and got error site is off line. Anybody know why? cheers DS ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Odd Trick Fights Diabetes #34;Unique#34; Proven Method To Control Blood Sugar In 3 Weeks. Watch Video. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/547a70697e246706938c8st02duc -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Tried to download version 2.60 from the registered user site and got error site is off line. Anybody know why? If you mean getting it from http://www.multimediaware.com/qv/download.htm, that's working here. cheers DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
I'm getting error overloaded or off line at your link. The link I tried was for registered users only. The sound drivers all downloaded without any problem but the main link to the program doesn't work here for some reason. cheers DS On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 21:04:49 -0500 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Tried to download version 2.60 from the registered user site and got error site is off line. Anybody know why? If you mean getting it from http://www.multimediaware.com/qv/download.htm, that's working here. cheers DS __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clk trk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user How Many Triangles? 92.6% of Americans Get This Question Wrong. Do YOU Know The Answer? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/547a7c0e8a5187c0e213amp01duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
On 11/29/2014 6:18 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: I'm getting error overloaded or off line at your link. The link I tried was for registered users only. The sound drivers all downloaded without any problem but the main link to the program doesn't work here for some reason. On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 21:04:49 -0500 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: If you mean getting it from http://www.multimediaware.com/qv/download.htm, that's working here. Works here fine without any issues as well, both the program and the sound drivers... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
