Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 7 RC3 is now ready - and this should be it

2017-08-01 Thread Paolo Vincenzo Olivo 
Hi Shane and thanks for your work,
I've given a look to the new version, nice :).
Predictably the mouse experience is more fluid and comfortable so I can
confirm you finally integrated cute mouse and OpenGEM very well. My newest
Logitech mouse used to hang, block and prevented me from using GEM on
desktop: Now it goes smoothly.

I noticed and was pleased that you added a couple of new features  (I used
to ran release 4 or 5,  in which I had installed the addons packages with
the other apps). 

I think someone should eventually specify  in the readme that GEMAPPS has to
be mandatory copied to C:\GEMAPPS, because if I guessed it right GEM.BAT
will look in C:\GEMAPPS\GEMSYS\ for a DESKTOP.APP, which is required in
order to load a working environment (otherwise you get just a white and
black environment with a buggy file manager). This was something hard to
figure out when I first installed GEM some years ago. Perhaps it's specified
elsewhere but I didn't have the time to read all the documentation, I just
did what I was used to with the previous releases.

In the readme file You mentioned a batch file (INSTALL.BAT) to be run so as
to  to make the installation process (quite easy anyway XD) autonomous.
Where is that supposed to be located?

Concerning power off, are you saying that you rebuilt the SHUTDOWN utility
you had found  on vetusware in order to make it work from within GEM?

In that case,  as Ruxgulo pointed out, fdapm is a difficult-to-beat program;
it works really well so far, and in my experience gets its job done even
from inside GEM :) 

Yours, cordially
P.V. Olivo 



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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 7 RC3 is now ready - and this should be it

2017-07-10 Thread Rugxulo 
Hi,

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Shane Coughlan
 wrote:
>
> The final(?) Release Candidate of OpenGEM 7 is ready and available for 
> testing.
>
> By the way, this RC saw some big changes.
> OpenGEM Release 7 RC 3 - 9th July 2017
>  - Changed SHUTDOWN 1.2 abandonware
>to SHUTDOWN 1.1 and REBOOT 1.0 from
>https://www.plop.at/en/dostools.html
>
> If I get no feedback in the next week then I will consider the release ready 
> and go “gold."

I've not looked closely at this, but I recommend that you use FDAPM
(GPL) instead:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/fdapm.html

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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM is getting an update after 11 years

2017-07-08 Thread geneb 

On Sat, 8 Jul 2017, Shane Coughlan wrote:


Hello FreeDOS community

Jim inspired me to take a look at the OpenGEM GUI again. I moved the 
OpenGEM 6 code and SDK to GitHub. OpenGEM 7 is being prepared. The main 
focus is stability and simplicity. There is also a much simpler SDK.


Shane, it's nice to see you're still hacking on GEM! :)

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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-23 Thread Louis Santillan 
2.05 is nearing release thanks to Andris, Eli, Juan, Ozakan.  Andrew
Wu has even updated his build-djgpp cross-compiler to support the 2.05
beta [0].

[0] 
https://github.com/andrewwutw/build-djgpp/commit/7251f8f70661bafeeed9bb5172a7ae6c3bf34741

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote:
 from Louis Santillan:

 Will you 1) be moving your project hosting and 2) porting to DJGPP 2.05?

 You mean DJGPP is up to 2.05?

 I went to their website, and current version was 2.03.  I remember there was 
 a 2.04 beta, but never heard of DJGPP 2.05.

 www.delorie.com/djgpp/

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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-23 Thread Thomas Mueller 
from Louis Santillan:

 Will you 1) be moving your project hosting and 2) porting to DJGPP 2.05?

You mean DJGPP is up to 2.05?  

I went to their website, and current version was 2.03.  I remember there was a 
2.04 beta, but never heard of DJGPP 2.05.

www.delorie.com/djgpp/

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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-23 Thread Georg Potthast 
 Will you 1) be moving your project hosting and 2) porting to DJGPP 2.05?

I already moved the files to Sourceforge: 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-dos/
But I still have to add screenshots and stuff at that site.

Yes, when DJGPP 2.05 is released I plan to use that. At the moment I find 
things
rather confusing with the 2.05 files in different directories and mixed with 
2.04
and 2.03 utilities. To what extend can you use the existing 2.03/2.04 
utilities when
using DJGPP 2.05 to compile applications?

 Perhaps a more updated alternative to opengem would be XFDOS
 I have tried it and found it be quite an impressive interface and its word
 processor alone is worth giving it a try.
 http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/news/2013/04/xfdos-graphical-freedos-distribution/


I think some people are just interested in vintage computing and therefore 
do
not look at new DOS applications.

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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-22 Thread Mateusz Viste 
On 22/08/2015 04:54, Thomas Mueller wrote:
 I think FDNPKG is simply a binary installer, can it update?  But FreeBSD 
 ports and pkgng, and NetBSD pkgsrc, and Gentoo portage, are no doubt much 
 more advanced.

FDNPKG can install, remove, update (automatically or on demand) FreeDOS 
packages, either from online repositories (http and/or gopher), as well 
as from local repositories (like from a CDROM).

FDNPKG capabilities are probably quite self-explanatory when one looks 
at its help screen.


FDNPKG v0.98 Copyright (C) Mateusz Viste 2012, 2013
This is a network package manager for FreeDOS.

Usage: FDNPKG action [parameters]

Where action is one of the following:
  search [string]   - Search net repositories for package containing 
'string'
  vsearch [string]  - Same as 'search', but prints also source repositories
  install pkg   - Install the package 'pkgname' (or local zip file)
  install-nosrc pkg - Install the package 'pkg' (or local zip file) w/o 
sources
  install-wsrc pkg  - Install the package 'pkg' (or local zip file) with 
sources
  remove pkg- Remove the package 'pkgname'
  listlocal [str]   - List all local (installed) packages containing 'str'
  listfiles pkg - List files owned by the package 'pkg'
  checkupdates  - check for available updates of packages and 
display them
  update [pkg]  - update 'pkg' to last version (or all packages if 
no arg)
  dumpcfg   - print out the configuration loaded from the cfg file
  license   - print out the license of this program

FDNPKG is linked against WatTCP version below:
Watt-32 (2.2.10), GNU-C 3.4.4 (386), djgpp 2.03, Dec 12 2013



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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-22 Thread Don Flowers 
Perhaps a more updated alternative to opengem would be XFDOS
I have tried it and found it be quite an impressive interface and its word
processor alone is worth giving it a try.
http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/news/2013/04/xfdos-graphical-freedos-distribution/

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote:

 On 22/08/2015 04:54, Thomas Mueller wrote:
  I think FDNPKG is simply a binary installer, can it update?  But FreeBSD
 ports and pkgng, and NetBSD pkgsrc, and Gentoo portage, are no doubt much
 more advanced.

 FDNPKG can install, remove, update (automatically or on demand) FreeDOS
 packages, either from online repositories (http and/or gopher), as well
 as from local repositories (like from a CDROM).

 FDNPKG capabilities are probably quite self-explanatory when one looks
 at its help screen.

 
 FDNPKG v0.98 Copyright (C) Mateusz Viste 2012, 2013
 This is a network package manager for FreeDOS.

 Usage: FDNPKG action [parameters]

 Where action is one of the following:
   search [string]   - Search net repositories for package containing
 'string'
   vsearch [string]  - Same as 'search', but prints also source repositories
   install pkg   - Install the package 'pkgname' (or local zip file)
   install-nosrc pkg - Install the package 'pkg' (or local zip file) w/o
 sources
   install-wsrc pkg  - Install the package 'pkg' (or local zip file) with
 sources
   remove pkg- Remove the package 'pkgname'
   listlocal [str]   - List all local (installed) packages containing 'str'
   listfiles pkg - List files owned by the package 'pkg'
   checkupdates  - check for available updates of packages and
 display them
   update [pkg]  - update 'pkg' to last version (or all packages if
 no arg)
   dumpcfg   - print out the configuration loaded from the cfg file
   license   - print out the license of this program

 FDNPKG is linked against WatTCP version below:
 Watt-32 (2.2.10), GNU-C 3.4.4 (386), djgpp 2.03, Dec 12 2013
 


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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-21 Thread Thomas Mueller 

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote, 
and Rugxulo responded:

  I used elvis in DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS, but elvis hasn't been updated 
  since 2.2_0.

  I tried vim (7.0?) in DOS, had difficulty with more than one file at a 
  time, now use vi which is nvi,
  but this has not been ported to DOS.

 I'm very skeptical that VIM wouldn't work properly for you since it's
 by far the most popular and feature-rich text editor in existence. But
 anyways, if you can't figure it out, try VILE instead.

  I remember how elvis would bog down and become very slow as file size 
  exceeded 1.5 MB,
  no such problem in Linux Slackware and no such problem with nvi in FreeBSD 
  and NetBSD.

 Again, VILE works fine, thanks to being compiled by DJGPP (32-bit DPMI).

  I tried FDNPKG in FreeDOS, it worked some of the time, but other times it 
  messed up:
  not nearly as well developed as package management in Linux and *BSD.

 We're very lucky to have someone as talented as Mateusz to contribute.
 Having said that, even Ubuntu (Snappy??) and FreeBSD (pkg-ng??)
 seemingly have changed package managers semi-recently, so it's not
 like they have it all figured out either.

  Allegro and other software packages that included DOS support seem to have 
  dropped DOS support.

 Yes, that's old news. First they broke the build system (requiring
 Cmake), then they switched entirely to OpenGL (EDIT: and DirectX,
 according to Wikipedia) backend. DOS doesn't have OpenGL (except
 software-only ancient versions of Mesa, which was never widely used in
 most DJGPP programs).

I believe the vim version I used in DOS was 7.0, 32-bit.

I just visited vim.org website, 7.1 was the last for DOS 16-bit, and 7.3 was 
the last for DOS 32-bit.

I never used VILE, was put off by like Emacs part.

Now I see vim has moved to GitHub.

I think FDNPKG is simply a binary installer, can it update?  But FreeBSD ports 
and pkgng, and NetBSD pkgsrc, and Gentoo portage, are no doubt much more 
advanced.

Difficulties and limitations with DOS software, especially on modern computers, 
cause me to not do much in that area; a long time since I last used a text 
editor in DOS. 

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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-21 Thread Louis Santillan 
Will you 1) be moving your project hosting and 2) porting to DJGPP 2.05?

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Georg Potthast
mail...@georgpotthast.de wrote:
 DOS doesn't have OpenGL (except software-only ancient versions of Mesa,
 which was never widely used in most DJGPP programs).

 There is also my TinyGL port to DOS:
 https://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/wiki/TinyGL

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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-21 Thread Georg Potthast 
 DOS doesn't have OpenGL (except software-only ancient versions of Mesa,
 which was never widely used in most DJGPP programs).

There is also my TinyGL port to DOS:
https://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/wiki/TinyGL

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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-20 Thread Rugxulo 
Hi,

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote:

 I used elvis in DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS, but elvis hasn't been updated since 
 2.2_0.

 I tried vim (7.0?) in DOS, had difficulty with more than one file at a time, 
 now use vi which is nvi,
 but this has not been ported to DOS.

I'm very skeptical that VIM wouldn't work properly for you since it's
by far the most popular and feature-rich text editor in existence. But
anyways, if you can't figure it out, try VILE instead.

 I remember how elvis would bog down and become very slow as file size 
 exceeded 1.5 MB,
 no such problem in Linux Slackware and no such problem with nvi in FreeBSD 
 and NetBSD.

Again, VILE works fine, thanks to being compiled by DJGPP (32-bit DPMI).

 I tried FDNPKG in FreeDOS, it worked some of the time, but other times it 
 messed up:
 not nearly as well developed as package management in Linux and *BSD.

We're very lucky to have someone as talented as Mateusz to contribute.
Having said that, even Ubuntu (Snappy??) and FreeBSD (pkg-ng??)
seemingly have changed package managers semi-recently, so it's not
like they have it all figured out either.

 Allegro and other software packages that included DOS support seem to have 
 dropped DOS support.

Yes, that's old news. First they broke the build system (requiring
Cmake), then they switched entirely to OpenGL (EDIT: and DirectX,
according to Wikipedia) backend. DOS doesn't have OpenGL (except
software-only ancient versions of Mesa, which was never widely used in
most DJGPP programs).

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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-19 Thread Rugxulo 
Hi,

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:32 AM, jubalh jub...@openmailbox.org wrote:

 Yesterday I installed FreeDOS for the first time.
 I used the latest version and did a full install because i want to
 have all software.

The full release of FreeDOS 1.1 does not have all software mentioned
in the Software List.

http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/

Most DOS installs are BASE only, maybe not even that much!

 I would like to run http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=opengem which
 I suppose should be installed on a full install. But I cannot open it
 via gem and don't find it anywhere.

Most DOS software is not supported anymore. And, even then, most
things require manual installation (e.g. download and install
yourself by unzipping somewhere).

Mateusz mentioned his packaged version of OpenGem, but the original
version was meant to manually install.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/6/

 Also I don't see vim anywhere.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/edit/vim/

It's been years since I used VIM, and I was no expert by any means. It
does have its own installer, but I'm not sure how much it does. (VIM
is a very complicated piece of software.) Personally, I prefer VILE
(built by DJGPP), which is somewhat simpler.

Keep in mind that VIM 7.1 was the last to have a (limited) 16-bit DOS
version, and 7.3 was the last to support 32-bit DOS (DJGPP) at all. So
we don't have 7.4, and I haven't tried rebuilding it myself (as I
assume it doesn't even work anymore).

 What am I missing? How to install software on FreeDOS?

Most stuff is done manually, but some things (nowadays) can be
installed by FDNPKG. However, more volunteers are still needed to add
or update many packages.

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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-19 Thread Thomas Mueller 
 On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:32 AM, jubalh jub...@openmailbox.org wrote, and 
 Rugxulo responded:

  Yesterday I installed FreeDOS for the first time.
  I used the latest version and did a full install because i want to
  have all software.

 The full release of FreeDOS 1.1 does not have all software mentioned
 in the Software List.

 http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/

 Most DOS installs are BASE only, maybe not even that much!

  I would like to run http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=opengem which
  I suppose should be installed on a full install. But I cannot open it
  via gem and don't find it anywhere.

 Most DOS software is not supported anymore. And, even then, most
 things require manual installation (e.g. download and install
 yourself by unzipping somewhere).

 Mateusz mentioned his packaged version of OpenGem, but the original
 version was meant to manually install.

 http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/6/

  Also I don't see vim anywhere.

 http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/edit/vim/

 It's been years since I used VIM, and I was no expert by any means. It
 does have its own installer, but I'm not sure how much it does. (VIM
 is a very complicated piece of software.) Personally, I prefer VILE
 (built by DJGPP), which is somewhat simpler.

 Keep in mind that VIM 7.1 was the last to have a (limited) 16-bit DOS
 version, and 7.3 was the last to support 32-bit DOS (DJGPP) at all. So
 we don't have 7.4, and I haven't tried rebuilding it myself (as I
 assume it doesn't even work anymore).

  What am I missing? How to install software on FreeDOS?

 Most stuff is done manually, but some things (nowadays) can be
 installed by FDNPKG. However, more volunteers are still needed to add
 or update many packages.

I believe I took a look at opengem but didn't get far.  Opengem couldn't 
integrate with other software as X Window system can.

I used elvis in DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS, but elvis hasn't been updated since 
2.2_0.

I tried vim (7.0?) in DOS, had difficulty with more than one file at a time, 
now use vi which is nvi, but this has not been ported to DOS.

I remember how elvis would bog down and become very slow as file size exceeded 
1.5 MB, no such problem in Linux Slackware and no such problem with nvi in 
FreeBSD and NetBSD.

I imagine only a small minority of computer users have ever heard of OpenGem.

I tried FDNPKG in FreeDOS, it worked some of the time, but other times it 
messed up: not nearly as well developed as package management in Linux and *BSD.

Allegro and other software packages that included DOS support seem to have 
dropped DOS support.

NetBSD i386 and amd64 still have /usr/mdec/dosboot.com, but I haven't tried it 
recently; dosboot.com seemed to stop working somewhere around NetBSD 5.x. 

Now I wonder if LOADLIN still works: for starting Linux from DOS.

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-19 Thread Ralf Quint 
On 8/17/2015 1:32 AM, jubalh wrote:
 What am I missing? How to install software on FreeDOS?

In most cases, you do not need to install software on (Free)DOS.
Most programs will just work if they are located within the PATH 
environment variable. And that seems to be the biggest (though actually 
simplest) hurdle for a lot of people to understand these days. They 
simply over complicate things...

Ralf



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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-19 Thread Ralf Quint 
On 8/19/2015 4:14 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
 I believe I took a look at opengem but didn't get far. Opengem 
 couldn't integrate with other software as X Window system can.
Integrate in which way? I don't have a DOS system running GEM handy 
right now, but all it takes is a short cut for it and proper DOS 
software will run, in text mode of course, just fine...
 I used elvis in DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS, but elvis hasn't been updated 
 since 2.2_0. I tried vim (7.0?) in DOS, had difficulty with more than 
 one file at a time, now use vi which is nvi, but this has not been 
 ported to DOS.
Well, it's probably worse if you would have tried EMACS instead... (one 
joke from back in those days was that EMACS actually stands for Eight 
Megabytes And Constantly Swapping) :-D )

 I remember how elvis would bog down and become very slow as file size 
 exceeded 1.5 MB, no such problem in Linux Slackware and no such problem with 
 nvi in FreeBSD and NetBSD.
Well, it's DOS, which is 16bit and hence you can not access 1.5MB in one 
piece, so that means your software needs to be smart enough to use 
XMS/EMS memory to expand the usable amount of RAM, which requires that 
this is properly integrated in the software's memory management. And 
considering that vi (in which ever incarnation) is *ix software, it 
isn't likely take this into account. IMHO, you are comparing apples and 
oranges here...

 I imagine only a small minority of computer users have ever heard of OpenGem.
If you imagine that the majority of computer user might have been born 
after the demise of (Open)GEM, this isn't surprising

 I tried FDNPKG in FreeDOS, it worked some of the time, but other times it 
 messed up: not nearly as well developed as package management in Linux and 
 *BSD.
Another case where people forcefully try to apply *ix/Linux type 
handling of things to (Free)DOS. IMHO, not much good can come out of 
this. Or at least people's expectations are far too high...

Ralf

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Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-19 Thread dmccunney 
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 8/19/2015 4:14 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
 I believe I took a look at opengem but didn't get far. Opengem
 couldn't integrate with other software as X Window system can.
 Integrate in which way? I don't have a DOS system running GEM handy
 right now, but all it takes is a short cut for it and proper DOS
 software will run, in text mode of course, just fine...

My recollection of things like GEM was that integration was a matter
of  adding DOS apps to the GEM desktop and menu structure,  They would
still be character mode DOS apps, but could be run from the GEM GUI.

The process was equivalent to what you do to add Linux apps to
something like the XFCE desktop.

The difference is that Linux is multitasking and more than one thing
may be active at a time, and the the Linux app may also have a GUI.

 I used elvis in DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS, but elvis hasn't been updated
 since 2.2_0. I tried vim (7.0?) in DOS, had difficulty with more than
 one file at a time, now use vi which is nvi, but this has not been
 ported to DOS.
 Well, it's probably worse if you would have tried EMACS instead... (one
 joke from back in those days was that EMACS actually stands for Eight
 Megabytes And Constantly Swapping) :-D )

There are lots of things called Emacs or influenced by it.  The
original was a set of macros in the TECO (Text Editor and Corrector)
language that ran on the DEC minicomputer at the MIT AI lab where
Richard Stallman once worked.  TECO was a language intended for
manipulating text, with a syntax that resembled line noise.  Various
folks at the lab had written TECO macro packages to ease use.

Stallman and Guy Steele ()mostly Stallman) collected and merged them
into a comprehensive package called Editing MACroS, and emacs rapidly
became the standard editor used at the labs.  (Stallman commented he
realized how successful his effort had been when he no longer
remembered how to do things in raw TECO.)  When TECO went away,
Stallman rewrote Emacs in Lisp, and current Gnu Emacs is a derivative.
It's essentially an interpreter for a dialect of Lisp, and most of the
editor is written in Lisp.  If you were fluent in Emacs Lisp, you
could get it to do just about anything, and there are Emacs major
modes for reading and replying email, reading and posting to Usenet
newsgroups, and even playing games.  Old timers on Unix would run
Emacs when they logged in, and Emacs would be their shell, with
everything done from within it.

On DOS, my preference was Daniel Lawrence's MicroEMACS, which derived
from a product of the same name by Dave Conroy.  It had the Emacs
command set and a capable macro language, and was quite configurable.

It was also extremely portable, and built out-of-the-box from C source
on my old ATT 3B1 Unix machine. The 3B1 had a bit-mapped screen and a
GUI called FACE, with a variety of dedicated function keys.  I used
the configurability to get Emacs to do sensible things when I pressed
various of the dedicated keys on the machine's keyboard.  (Under DOS,
I had a macro file that made MicroEMACS use WordStar keystrokes.)

(I was able to build an older version of Gnu Emacs on the machine as
well, but didn't use it much.)

I had vi under DOS as well, courtesy of a commercial package called
the MKS Toolkit.  The Toolkit implemented all of the Unix commands
that made sense in a single-user, single-tasking OS, including a
complete vi.  The big win for me was a DOS version of the Unix Korn
Shell, that had everything save asynchronous background processes.
When I was in the Korn shell, you had to dig a bit to realize it
*wasn't* a Unix machine. :-)

 Well, it's DOS, which is 16bit and hence you can not access 1.5MB in one
 piece, so that means your software needs to be smart enough to use
 XMS/EMS memory to expand the usable amount of RAM, which requires that
 this is properly integrated in the software's memory management. And
 considering that vi (in which ever incarnation) is *ix software, it
 isn't likely take this into account. IMHO, you are comparing apples and
 oranges here...

Or your editor had to use things like spill files, with stuff being
edited in RAM, and stuff before and after it on disk, and lots of
swapping.  (IIRD, the MINCE (Minc e Is Not Complete Emacs) editor that
originated under CP/M used that approach, and carried it through to
the DOS version.  (Mince became a word processor called The Final
Word, which Borland acquired and renamed Sprint.)

 I tried FDNPKG in FreeDOS, it worked some of the time, but other times it 
 messed up: not nearly as well developed as package management in Linux and 
 *BSD.
 Another case where people forcefully try to apply *ix/Linux type
 handling of things to (Free)DOS. IMHO, not much good can come out of
 this. Or at least people's expectations are far too high...

If their expectations are set by Windows and Linux, they can't help
but be too high.  There are a variety of things I

Re: [Freedos-user] opengem

2015-08-18 Thread Mateusz Viste 
Hi,

You can install additional software in FreeDOS using packages. Either 
by downloading a package first, and then installing it on your PC, or 
(if your FreeDOS setup is connected to the internet), installing it online.

For both steps, please make sure you have the FDNPKG tool. I'm not sure 
it's installed by default with FreeDOS v1.1. If not, you can get it 
here: http://fdnpkg.sourceforge.net

-- Case 1 (if you have internet connectivity) --
simply type this:
  FDNPKG INSTALL OPEMGEM

-- Case 2 (if you do not have network connectivity) --

first get the opengem package from there:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/util/opengem.zip

...and copy it on your disk, for example to C:\. Then, type this:
FDNPKG INSTALL C:\OPENGEM.ZIP

cheers,
Mateusz



On 17/08/2015 10:32, jubalh wrote:
 Hello,

 Yesterday I installed FreeDOS for the first time.
 I used the latest version and did a full install because i want to
 have all software.

 I would like to run http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=opengem which
 I suppose should be installed on a full install. But I cannot open it
 via gem and don't find it anywhere.

 Also I don't see vim anywhere.

 What am I missing? How to install software on FreeDOS?

 Hope you can help me soon.
 jubalh



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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM, batch files and application icons

2007-09-13 Thread Eric Auer 

Hi Christian,

 - FreeDOS installer is hanging if WATTCP
 configuration stops for any reason.

Yeah I would recommend to install without network, see:
http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdInstall
You can find a list of internet-using packages here:
http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdDependencies

 - Hungarian keyboard is defunct (setting was made by the installer but
 not working)

You can try mkeyb and keyb...

 - xfdisk offers FAT32 but DEFRAG says its not supported (not even the
 new version of defrag)

http://users.telenet.be/imre/FreeDOS/?M=D you mean?

Most other things should support fat32. Chkdsk does not, but you
can use dosfsck instead... Mirror / unformat / undelete do not
support fat32 either, but format (!) has built-in mirror and
(limited) unformat functions which do support fat32.

Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM - GEM.BAT fails with ChDir under FreeDOS 1.0

2006-09-27 Thread John Hupp 



We're working over/tripping oversome small 
details here, but many people won't know what to do with an error message like 
this and will just give up. So a little background and a fresh detail or 
two:

Background:

OpenGEM 4 and 5 used this command in 
C:\GEM.BAT:
CD\GEMAPPS\GEMSYS\

This worked fine in MS-DOS 6 but the version of 
FreeCOM current at the time failed without a space after CD.

OpenGEM 6 attempted to adjust to FreeCOM by using 
this command:

CD GEMAPPS\GEMSYS

This executes fine ifentered from the command 
line at C:\ and willmake the current 
directoryC:\GEMAPPS\GEMSYS. But if you put that command in a batch 
file at C:\TEST.BAT and then ChDir to C:\FDOS and rely on PATH or native ability 
to find and run TEST.BAT in the root directory, you will generate the error 
"CHDIR failed for 'GEMAPPS\GEMSYS.'"

If you edit TEST.BAT to CD \GEMAPPS\GEMSYS (adding 
the initial backslash), it will run fine. Contrary to what I said earlier, 
you do not need to enter the full drive:\path to get a successful fix. In 
fact, with the current version of FreeCOM, you can once again omit the space 
after CD.

In short,there is still a small deviation 
from behavior under MS-DOS 6. But previouslywhen I entered a 
program-startup command from an improper location (like trying to start DESCENT 
from FDOS\BIN, to make up an example) FreeDOS would tend to run something like 
C:\SETUP (the GEM setup program). So this may be progress.

--John Hupp

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To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net 

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM - GEM.BAT fails with ChDir under 
FreeDOS 1.0
Hi John, ... the GEM.BAT installed by GEM 6 
bundled with FreeDOS 1.0 fails at CD \GEMAPPS\GEMSYS if you try to start 
GEM from outside the root directory (where GEM.BAT is located) on a pure 
FreeDOS machine. To work around that, do a search-and-replace in GEM.BAT 
to change all instances to CD C:\GEMAPPS\GEMSYS.There are two 
oddities in GEM here:1. it assumes that you start gem.bat from the same 
drive whereyou have GEM installed and2. gem.bat should be in, for 
example, c:\fdos\bin instead of in c:\(which is sth. which the FreeDOS 
installer, not GEM, should tweak...)The first issue should be worked 
around by usingc:CD \GEMapps\GEMsysinstead of only using the "CD" 
line. Because usingCD c:\GEMapps\GEMsys still does not force going to 
C:Using CDD c:\GEMapps\GEMsys would, but would be FreeCOM specific,so 
the better solution is to use the above two line one.However, FreeCOM 
has behaved odd for me recently (since I updatedfrom 1.0 base to 1.0 full) - 
sometimes it just stops to run programs!No error message or anything, just 
does not run the programs any more.This might depend on whether doslfn is 
loaded, not sure. Any 
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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2

2006-07-08 Thread John Hupp 
In the course of off-list discussion, I tested this problem much more 
extensively than I reported here.  My own conclusion was similar to your 
Situation #3: HIMEM and EMM386 are not at issue, and OpenGEM has one or more 
incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel.

But I found further that the problem appeared on FAT32 partitions and not on 
FAT16 partitions.  Perhaps that will further narrow the inquiry.

--John Hupp

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From: Michael Devore
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2


At 11:38 AM 6/5/2006 -0400, John Hupp wrote:

I am using current stable:
kernel - 1.1.35 Build 2035b-cvs, 2006-05-21
freecom - 0.84-pre XMS_Swap, 2006-05-21
himem + emm386 - from emmx208 or emm208x ZIP archive

I might have added to the original post by saying that this problem does
not occur on an older 486 SX2-50 (no math coprocessor) in an ISA-only
motherboard.  Only on this newer Pentium 100 with PCI + ISA.

I could also have added that all my DOS games (Doom, Quake, Duke,
Spacequest, Beneath A Steel Sky) run fine on this computer and 
configuration.

On the chance that there was a physical memory problem I dropped from 16
to 8 MB (no difference), and then also swapped in the extra 8 MB (no
difference).

One thing I noticed in further testing was that Draw, Paint and Doodle
have the most problems.  All freehand programs.  And if they load
successfully, then they work until you try to close them.  Artline is
rather stable by comparison, though it does not seem to offer a freehand
tool, at least that I could find quickly.

If I drop all the way to no HIMEM and no EMM386, there is insufficient
memory to run Artline or Paint.  Draw, Write, Tetris, Scgem, and Fanwor
all seemed to work.  But Doodle locks the machine when it closes.

Okay, I tested OpenGEM 5 under FreeDOS and was able to get lockups at
various times, using HIMEM with or without EMM386 loaded.  Unfortunately, I
was also able to get out of memory errors and lockups after working with
different OpenGEM utilities under Microsoft HIMEM on a FreeDOS
kernel.  This was on a Athlon 3000+ machine.

The lockups were hard, i.e. Ctrl-Alt-Del did not recover.  This may be
because OpenGEM controls the keyboard vectoring, and it is possibly still
alive under the lockup, although for the user's purposes, that may be a
distinction without a difference.

Anyway, given that the problem occurs with Microsoft memory managers, I
believe you have one of three situations:

  1.  OpenGEM 5 has one or more operational bugs, OR
  2. OpenGEM 5 or its underlying language (TP?) has one or more problems
with very fast machines or machines with large amounts of free extended
memory, OR
  3. OpenGEM has one or more incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel.

I don't think whatever is happening is a fault of either FreeDOS HIMEM or
EMM386, since similar problems can occur without either loaded.



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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2

2006-07-08 Thread Shane M. Coughlan 
John Hupp wrote:
 In the course of off-list discussion, I tested this problem much more 
 extensively than I reported here.  My own conclusion was similar to your 
 Situation #3: HIMEM and EMM386 are not at issue, and OpenGEM has one or more 
 incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel.
 But I found further that the problem appeared on FAT32 partitions and not on 
 FAT16 partitions.  Perhaps that will further narrow the inquiry.

John did indeed debug this quite extensively in a three-way conversation
with Eric and myself.  The results were:

PRELIMINARY CONCLUSION: FreeDOS FAT32 support in FreeCOM/Kernel
(wherever that support is located) seems to be the problem.

It is [...] interesting that not all GEM apps trigger problems under
FAT32.  Fgdoodle seems to be the worst, and then the other freehand
drawing apps Draw and Paint.  So graphical rendering methods connect those.

CASE 1: MS-DOS HIMEM on FAT32
   Gem Desktop locks at quit
   Draw, Doodle and Paint all lock at start

CASE 2: FreeDOS HIMEM on FAT32
   Gem Desktop quits OK
   Draw, Paint all start OK, allow me to scribble a bit, and quit OK
   Doodle locks at quit

CASE 3: MS-DOS HIMEM on FAT16
   Everything works OK

CASE 4: FreeDOS HIMEM on FAT16
   Everything works OK

OpenGEM runs fine on MS DOS machines running FAT32, as well as under
Windows running FAT32.

Regards

Shane

PS: John is my personal hero for having spent so much time working on this!

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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2

2006-07-08 Thread Kenneth J. Davis 
Shane M. Coughlan wrote:

 John Hupp wrote:
 
In the course of off-list discussion, I tested this problem much more 
extensively than I reported here.  My own conclusion was similar to your 
Situation #3: HIMEM and EMM386 are not at issue, and OpenGEM has one or more 
incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel.
But I found further that the problem appeared on FAT32 partitions and not on 
FAT16 partitions.  Perhaps that will further narrow the inquiry.
 
 
 John did indeed debug this quite extensively in a three-way conversation
 with Eric and myself.  The results were:
 
 PRELIMINARY CONCLUSION: FreeDOS FAT32 support in FreeCOM/Kernel
 (wherever that support is located) seems to be the problem.
 
 It is [...] interesting that not all GEM apps trigger problems under
 FAT32.  Fgdoodle seems to be the worst, and then the other freehand
 drawing apps Draw and Paint.  So graphical rendering methods connect those.
 
...

Could you (off list if you want) send me a more or less detailed 
description of which files to get and run and I will see if I can find 
the kernel issue.  Two questions though, did you try with 4DOS or MS 
Command.com to rule out FreeCom issues (not sure why it would cause it, 
but I do know it sometimes causes weird issues) and was this with dev 
kernel, stable kernel, or both?

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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2

2006-07-08 Thread John Hupp 
My (pure) FreeDOS installation was as loaded by the 0.9 Beta SR2 CD, except 
that I updated the kernel and freecom.

I was using current *stable*:
kernel - 1.1.35 Build 2035b-cvs, 2006-05-21
freecom - 0.84-pre XMS_Swap, 2006-05-21
himem + emm386 - from emmx208 or emm208x ZIP archive (though that was a moot 
point when running tests without either)

You can run with a test configuration like this:

BUFFERS=30
FILES=40
SHELL=C:\command.com C:\ /E:512 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT
-
SET DOSDIR=C:\FDOS
SET TEMP=C:\FDOS\TEMP
SET TMP=C:\FDOS\TEMP
CTMOUSE

I was using OpenGEM Release 5, the Complete version downloadable from 
http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/fullversions.html

Install everything on a FAT32 partition to see the problem behavior (or on a 
FAT16 partition to see everything working fine).

The GEM apps triggering the problems are Doodle, Draw and Paint, though if 
you run without HIMEM you won't have enough memory to run Paint.

I did test with COMMAND.COM from MS-DOS 6.22 and got the same results as 
with FreeCOM.

--John Hupp

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To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2


Shane M. Coughlan wrote:

 John Hupp wrote:

In the course of off-list discussion, I tested this problem much more
extensively than I reported here.  My own conclusion was similar to your
Situation #3: HIMEM and EMM386 are not at issue, and OpenGEM has one or 
more
incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel.
But I found further that the problem appeared on FAT32 partitions and not 
on
FAT16 partitions.  Perhaps that will further narrow the inquiry.


 John did indeed debug this quite extensively in a three-way conversation
 with Eric and myself.  The results were:

 PRELIMINARY CONCLUSION: FreeDOS FAT32 support in FreeCOM/Kernel
 (wherever that support is located) seems to be the problem.

 It is [...] interesting that not all GEM apps trigger problems under
 FAT32.  Fgdoodle seems to be the worst, and then the other freehand
 drawing apps Draw and Paint.  So graphical rendering methods connect 
 those.

...

Could you (off list if you want) send me a more or less detailed
description of which files to get and run and I will see if I can find
the kernel issue.  Two questions though, did you try with 4DOS or MS
Command.com to rule out FreeCom issues (not sure why it would cause it,
but I do know it sometimes causes weird issues) and was this with dev
kernel, stable kernel, or both?

Thanks,
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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2

2006-06-06 Thread Shane M. Coughlan 
John Hupp wrote:
 I went into this round of tests with this configuration, and cut back 
 progressively as I describe below:
 
 LASTDRIVE=Z
 BUFFERS=30
 FILES=40
 DOS=HIGH,UMB
 DOSDATA=UMB
 DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEM.EXE
 DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=TEST VDS
 SHELL=C:\command.com C:\ /E:512 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT

Hi John

As you pointed out the combination of FreeDOS Beta9sr2 and OpenGEM is
working on a 486 machine, but there are weird errors when running the
same setup with the same configuration on a Pentium machine.

Let's see what happens if you have no HIMEN or EMM386.  Will OpenGEM run
applications correctly then?  I'm wondering if it is possible that
OpenGEM applications are making calls that the Pentium system is
handling differently to the 486 system.  Perhaps Eric could enlighten
regarding this possibility?

What is interesting here is that OpenGEM works fine under Windows
95/98/XP on Pentium class machines.  I've also had no reports of errors
like this from people using OpenGEM with FreeDOS before, so either
something is happening with the particular kernel and freecom files in
this distribution or it may be an issue with calling higher memory?

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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2

2006-06-05 Thread John Hupp 



I have more to report on this problem.


I am using current stable:
kernel - 1.1.35 Build 2035b-cvs, 
2006-05-21
freecom - 0.84-pre XMS_Swap, 
2006-05-21
himem + emm386 - 
from emmx208 or emm208x ZIP archive

I might have added to the original postby 
saying that this problem does not occur on an older 486 SX2-50 (no math 
coprocessor) in an ISA-only motherboard. Only on this newer Pentium 100 
with PCI + ISA.

I could also have added that all my DOS games 
(Doom, Quake, Duke, Spacequest, Beneath A Steel Sky) run fine on this computer 
and configuration.

On the chance that there was a physical memory 
problem I dropped from 16 to 8 MB (no difference), and then also swapped in the 
extra 8 MB (no difference).

One thing I noticed in further testing was that 
Draw, Paint and Doodle have the most problems. All freehand 
programs. And if they load successfully, then they work until you try to 
close them. Artline is rather stable by comparison, though it does not 
seem to offer a freehand tool, at least that I could find quickly.

If I drop all the way to no HIMEM and no EMM386, 
there is insufficient memory to run Artline or Paint. Draw, Write, Tetris, 
Scgem, and Fanwor all seemed to work. But Doodle locks the machine when it 
closes.

If I add back HIMEM but not EMM386, Doodle causes a 
reboot while it is loading. And Write and Draw lock up the machine while 
loading.

If I add back HIMEM and EMM386, Doodle, Draw and 
Paint all lock up the machine while closing.

I saw a thread (March?) in the OpenGEM-dev list 
that for the OpenGEM/XM project, there was a user who, when he was running more 
than one GEM app with graphics under FreeDOS, there was some kind of 
interference. The opinion there was that the problem wastraceable to 
the FreeDOS kernel, because the problem did not occur with a couple of other DOS 
kernels. This sort of behavior seemed related to what I am experiencing on 
this computer.

--John Hupp

P.S. my test config  autoexec,further 
simplified from the originally reported configurations -more mod 
reportsabove:

LASTDRIVE=ZBUFFERS=30FILES=40DOS=HIGH,UMBDEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEM.EXEDEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\EMM386.EXE 
NOEMS X=TEST VDSSHELL=C:\command.com C:\ /E:512 
/P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT
--
SET PROMPT=$P$GSET DOSDIR=C:\FDOSSET 
PATH=C:\NET;C:\;C:\FDOS\bin;C:\DOSSHELL;C:\PKZIPSET TEMP=C:\FDOS\TEMPSET 
TMP=C:\FDOS\TEMP

CTMOUSE

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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2

2006-06-05 Thread Michael Devore 
At 11:38 AM 6/5/2006 -0400, John Hupp wrote:

  I could also have added that all my DOS games (Doom, Quake, Duke, 
 Spacequest, Beneath A Steel Sky) run fine on this computer and configuration.

On the chance that there was a physical memory problem I dropped from 16 
to 8 MB (no difference), and then also swapped in the extra 8 MB (no 
difference).

One thing I noticed in further testing was that Draw, Paint and Doodle 
have the most problems.  All freehand programs.  And if they load 
successfully, then they work until you try to close them.  Artline is 
rather stable by comparison, though it does not seem to offer a freehand 
tool, at least that I could find quickly.

If I drop all the way to no HIMEM and no EMM386, there is insufficient 
memory to run Artline or Paint.  Draw, Write, Tetris, Scgem, and Fanwor 
all seemed to work.  But Doodle locks the machine when it closes.

If I add back HIMEM but not EMM386, Doodle causes a reboot while it is 
loading.  And Write and Draw lock up the machine while loading.

If I add back HIMEM and EMM386, Doodle, Draw and Paint all lock up the 
machine while closing.

I'm in the middle of working full-time on two different projects, but I 
might be able to take a look at this in a week or two.  Probably not sooner 
and possibly later.  I'll need a download link for the problematic GEM, 
though.  If it's kernel, I likely won't be able to help further.

You might also try EMM386 NOALTBOOT option.  I know GEOS needs that option, 
not that it has anything to do with GEM.  Except for starting with a GE, 
so maybe that's it.



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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2

2006-06-05 Thread John Hupp 
Michael, Eric,  All:

I went into this round of tests with this configuration, and cut back 
progressively as I describe below:

LASTDRIVE=Z
BUFFERS=30
FILES=40
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DOSDATA=UMB
DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEM.EXE
DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=TEST VDS
SHELL=C:\command.com C:\ /E:512 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT
-
SET DOSDIR=C:\FDOS
SET PATH=C:\NET;C:\;C:\FDOS\bin;C:\DOSSHELL;C:\PKZIP
SET TEMP=C:\FDOS\TEMP
SET TMP=C:\FDOS\TEMP
CTMOUSE

I do not find any combination of options for EMM386 that will work: adding 
NOALTBOOT, removing VDS, removing NOEMS.

If I do not load EMM386 at all and just run HIMEM (keeping DOS=HIGH,UMB and 
DOSDATA=UMB), GEM Draw, Doodle and Paint all reboot while loading.

If I then also remove DOSDATA=UMB, all three programs either reboot or hang 
while loading.

If I then also remove DOS=HIGH,UMB, all three programs will load, but all 
three hang while quitting.

If I then also remove HIMEM, Draw both loads and quits, Doodle loads but 
hangs while quitting (except that the mouse pointer is still active), and 
there is insufficient memory to load Paint.

If I then also remove CTMOUSE from AUTOEXEC and operate GEM in mouse-free 
keyboard mode, the results are yet slightly worse: all three programs hang 
while loading.

I could add that I removed the ISA sound and network cards for this round of 
tests.  Only the PCI video card was installed (though I let stand legacy IRQ 
reservations in the BIOS setup).

I am working with OpenGEM 5, downloaded from 
http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/complete/OPENGEM5.zip.  This is the 
same version of GEM that runs fine under the same version of FreeDOS (with 
the same updates) on a 486 SX2-50 machine.

As I said in an earlier post, I went into this problem with a computer that 
was running all my DOS games fine in the original more-complex 
configuration, and also served fine as a DOS network client, so there is 
some odd interaction between GEM/GEM Apps and FreeDOS at a low level on this 
machine.  This despite the fact that GEM has always had such minimal 
requirements for hardware and operating system support.

--John Hupp

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Devore
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2


I'm in the middle of working full-time on two different projects, but I
might be able to take a look at this in a week or two.  Probably not sooner
and possibly later.  I'll need a download link for the problematic GEM,
though.  If it's kernel, I likely won't be able to help further.

You might also try EMM386 NOALTBOOT option.  I know GEOS needs that option,
not that it has anything to do with GEM.  Except for starting with a GE,
so maybe that's it.

- Original Message - 
From: Eric Auer
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:50 AM
Subject: emm386 idea

hi, you should try without the noems option and/or without the vds option...

eric 



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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2

2006-06-04 Thread Arkady V.Belousov 
Hi!

4-Июн-2006 13:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hupp) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:

JH hitch I noticed is that a message flashed by at the outset - something 
about
JH TZ environment variable not found, I believe.

  This is dumb message from InfoZip.

JH But the installation did not
JH stop and seemed to finish without error.

  There is only one wrong thing with this - InfoZip incorrectly restores
timestamps (shifted by some Time Zone hours amount).

JH IF EXIST C:\FDOS\BIN\MOUSE.EXE CTMOUSE
-^-^^^

  Isn't there is bug?


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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM SDK Release 1 now out!

2005-06-02 Thread Owen Rudge 
GEM can do word processing, DTP, spread sheets, draw vector graphics and 
do some basic web browsing.  GEM can also execute DOS applications from 
inside GEM (so that you'll return to GEM when the DOS application exits).


It can also play MP3s (although some versions of GEMP3 don't seem to like 
running on plain DOS).



There are some limitations to GEM.
- It uses the first 640kb of memory, so it can run out of memory if you 
execute large applications (especially DTP or DOS applications from inside 
GEM)


This can be 'cured' by using DJGPP - obviously, this'll require a 386 or 
greater, but you then have the full system's memory available to you.



- It is a single-tasking enviroment


Unless you use GEM/XM, of course. :-)


- It is not LFN aware


It can be made LFN-aware though, as Kristaps says, if there's an LFN driver 
loaded (eg, LFNDOS or DOSLFN or whichever way round it is, or Windows). 
GEMP3, for example, can make use of long filenames if it's passed them, as 
the DJGPP runtime automatically makes use of an LFN driver if one is loaded. 
Note that the GEM file selector doesn't, of course, as it's not been 
programmed to.


--
Owen Rudge
http://www.owenrudge.net/ 





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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM SDK Release 1 now out!

2005-06-01 Thread Jim Hall 

This is mirrored at:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/sdk/



Shane M. Coughlan wrote:

Dear everyone

I am proud to announce the official release of the OpenGEM SDK.  OpenGEM 
SDK Release 1 is now available for immediate download from 
http://gem.shaneland.co.uk.


OpenGEM SDK is a collection of tools, source code and binary for the 
creation of OpenGEM/GEM/FreeGEM applications.  It includes:

- GEM bindings for Pacific C, DGJPP and Turbo Pascal
- Pacific C compiler
- DR GEM 3.13 complete binaries source code
- FreeGEM AES binaries and source code
- FreeGEM desktops binaries and source code
- Multiple GEM binaries of core units (DR GEM 1.2, 2.0, 3.0 etc)
- GEM binaries for all applications released under GPL
- Many source code sections for GEM applications
- All the GEM driver binaries and source code
- Many tools for making and altering GEM code and settings
- Documentation to help you get started

In short, OpenGEM SDK Release 1 is the one-stop-shop to get started with 
creating applications for GEM, or for altering the GEM GUI enviroment.  
It's the most complete collection of tools, code and applications yet 
released for the platform.


Regards

Shane
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
gem.shaneland.co.uk




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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM SDK Release 1 now out!

2005-06-01 Thread Johnson Lam 
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 03:14:56 +0900, you wrote:

Hi Shane,

I am proud to announce the official release of the OpenGEM SDK.  OpenGEM SDK 
Release 1 is now available for immediate download from 
http://gem.shaneland.co.uk.

Thanks for your work.

Can you please tell me any applications that can run on GEM? Or any
limitation of GEM (e.g. DOS extender needed?)

Thanks.


Rgds,
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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 3 is now out

2004-08-10 Thread Johnson Lam 
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:11:35 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Joe,

 667-1 Butsushozanchokou
Say that 3 times really fast :-)

You know Japanese?


Rgds,
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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 3 is now out

2004-08-10 Thread Joe Cosentino 
 On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:11:35 -0500, you wrote:
 
 Hi Joe,
 
  667-1 Butsushozanchokou
 Say that 3 times really fast :-)
 
 You know Japanese?

No, it was a joke.  :-)  




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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 3 is now out

2004-08-10 Thread Johnson Lam 
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:01:56 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Joe,

  667-1 Butsushozanchokou
 Say that 3 times really fast :-)
 You know Japanese?
No, it was a joke.  :-)  

It sounds funny :-)

I hope Shane will have a good time in Japan and make OpenGEM even
better. I've been there (Takamatsu) last year, bad timing ...


Rgds,
Johnson.



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Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 3 is now out

2004-08-09 Thread Joe Cosentino 
 667-1 Butsushozanchokou

Say that 3 times really fast :-)

Joe



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